S|A HATES Passion For Audio's Snobbery

A reaction video about the audiophile snobbery perpetuated by ‪@PassionforSound‬ for assuming higher prices equal better sound.
#audiophile #amplifier #cable #hifi #snobbery #myths

[@lisar3944]

I think you are in a pot calling a kettle black scenario here. Where is your *evidence* that *no one in the history of the world" has ever been able to tell two cables apart in a blind test? Seriously man, you are mildly amusing but equally full of it imo. Count down to deleted comment in 3...2...1

[@scientificaudiophile]

Considering $1 million wasn’t enough for anyone to attempt a blind test (they had to be a significant person in the audio industry, not you or I - think Gutenberg, Fremer or pretty much anyone from Stereophile that claimed they could hear the difference between cables) and then consider that every cable believer suddenly claims the test is too stressful when they fail. Here’s a link to a cable study that showed 15 people averaging 50% accuracy- hometheaterhifi.com/volume_11_4/feature-article-blind-test-power-cords-12-2004.html It also references a study done by John Atkinson where listeners couldn’t even distinguish between a solid state amp and a tube amp. Any and all studies showing anyone passing a blind test, like when Jay visited Danny for a blind test have been easily debunked, like in this video - kzbin.info/www/bejne/f4bLnp97n9SInM0si=qh-4uK6NDk7N3W6w Couple all the above with the fact that every test showing the output from headphones or speakers don’t change with different cables and you should have your answer. That said, I still can’t convince my neighbor the Earth is round and he refuses to simply go in one direction until he finds the ice wall.

[@AlexMitchell-sj4sb]

Just to summarise.. "The total number of correct answers was 73 out of 149, which amounts to 49% accuracy. That is no more accurate than flipping a coin, and therefore, no statistically significant detection of power cable differences."

[@Peter-s7h]

Yes, I COULD HEAR A DIFFERENCE in speaker cables. I bought an expensive speaker cable with "silver coating" from a famous english cable brand (A WHAT HIFI 5 STAR CABLE...) and it was terrible. It was so bad that the high frequencies were over pushed and the low frequecies were almost gone. It sounded metallic. Try it and boy oh boy you will hear the difference, that's for sure, believe me ! Than i bought an quite expensice copper cable, the kind of big heavy one with big heavy shielding and Nylon around it and 2 cables inside again with shielding and bla bla bla bla and the sound was good again. Then just for fun i putted my old normal CHEAP standard copper cable to compare and i was convinced that the expensive one would sound better, because it is 22 x more expensive !!!!!!!!!! but nothing : THE SOUND WAS ABSOLUTELY THE SAME AS WITH THE SPECIAL BLA BLA COPPER HEAVY EXPENSIVE BULLSHIT CABLE. I tried with 4 different people and nobody could hear any difference ! With RCA cables it was even worse, we could not hear any difference at all from a standard ultra cheap RCA cable for 1,50 Euro against 3 other expensive cables from special "cable manfacturs". So, i'm done with cables, lost a lot of money just to give them an incredible win margin, (a 400 Euro or dollar cable has a factory price of 20 Euro normal win margin included) and i came back to my standard "normal" cables and they are no brainers.

[@Chris-hy6jy]

Surely if you want to prove him wrong it's up to you to link to a blind test that DID result in someone being able to tell the difference??

[@chrislj2890]

Worse than deleted, it was pinned to the top for all to see and mock.

[@marcuspetery1823]

Audiophiles are super humans with the power of super hearing but like all super heroes, they have one weakness... Their super hearing goes away the moment their vision is blocked or the price tag is unknown... 😁

[@scientificaudiophile]

That's awesome 😎.

[@AlexMitchell-sj4sb]

😁😄 Hahaha love it

[@ryanschipp8513]

Love this!

[@wa2368]

Two speaker cables priced each under 200 bucks, my room, my gear, 2 tracks I really know, I'll pass a AB test 25/25 times. Can you show up with 100k dollars? We will have a person I know do the swapping so you don't get shady.

[@AndreaRavaioli]

Well said

[@AsAgral]

Cables snake oil is the most profitable, unfortunately. There are “burn in” services for cables!..

[@scientificaudiophile]

The best cables require 750 hours of burn in time and have a 30 day return period.

[@watdanuqta-mf5ms]

@@scientificaudiophile You're the best!

[@totalplonker824]

You obviously don't know what it sounds like to have to burn in a set of cables. The fact I also have a Dolby Atmos setup with 9 channels means I've got three groups of cables (front stage, surrounds, heights) at various lengths that needs to be burnt in, so I thought I try and save some money and burn them in myself. Well, anyway, the listening experience of burning in my heights was absolutely horrendous. It was like someone scratching at your brain with tin foil. The fact I was in a small flat and I couldn't get away from the sound probably made it even more worse, but I had three continuous days of Hell. There was no way I was going through that again. Hence, I got the rest of the cables professionally burnt in. If you wish you can click on the red dragon twice to view the Dolby Atmos setup

[@Jordonater]

@@totalplonker824 I cant tell if your being serious. Try getting someone you know to swap out the cables for a new pair without telling you. when then have you listen when you come back to your setup i bet you wouldn't even know.

[@34332]

How about this one I found on a forum: "I’ve just discovered that my speaker cables are ‘directional’ and I had one of them connected the wrong way around. Intrigued, I corrected my mistake and fired up one of my favourite tracks in nervous anticipation. Anyway I didn’t detect a speck of difference?". 😂😂

[@danb.9891]

Enjoy your channel, almost always get a chuckle out of your stuff. I've said it on several other channel comments, if someone set up a A/B blind audio testing channel it would be so successful!! I wish I had the initiative to do it. I agree, I doubt that most people could identify differences at a significant rate above that of similar flipping a coin.. please keep up the great work. 👍

[@scientificaudiophile]

It would be a great channel if you could actually put the reviewers who swear they can hear a difference on camera. Sadly they will give a million reasons why they can’t agree to the blind testing methods.

[@biglifeline]

This is the content I’ve been looking for. Your delivery? Chef’s kiss!!! Keep it coming

[@scientificaudiophile]

Thank you! Will do!

[@timharbert7145]

Truly the Ralph Nader of audio.

[@chungang7037]

🤣

[@CammyFi]

Thank you for doing this, someone had to.

[@VonKickass]

Friggen brilliant (and thoroughly enjoyable)!! These kind of exposé’s are so necessary to combat the lack of education, or stupidity, or just plain commission earning; that has become to rife amongst reviewers these days. Please do these more often 🙏🏼

[@scientificaudiophile]

Thanks. Like I said in the video, the guys who think they hear a difference don’t bother me, the guys making money for hearing a difference do.

[@zipperunamused9009]

Passion: 100 Listening skill: 0 He once had Rob Watts (designer of Chord dacs) on who claimed he can (with his 60yr old+ ears) detect noise in the -300dB range. Instead of calling out the BS the YTer nodded his head (of course it’s totally normal to hear -300dB signal). Here is your sign.

[@scientificaudiophile]

Now I’m not 60+ yrs old, but I can hear the difference between the Canadian anechoic chamber and Microsofts anechoic chamber. The Microsoft one sounds too analytical.

[@jimfarrell4635]

Is that what Watts actually said ? Wasn't he talking about noise in the normally inaudible range having downstream effects in the audible range, which has some basis in reality when it comes to digital filters. Or something. I may have fallen asleep at that bit.

[@zipperunamused9009]

@@jimfarrell4635 something about 10ns and 100ns delay caused by -301dB noise. Something like that. I would like him to demonstrate that listening skill 🤦‍♂️

[@ryanschipp8513]

​@@scientificaudiophileLMAOOOOO

[@dantealighieri4258]

That isn't actually what Rob Watts says. He's saying when he designs his filtering algorithms he can hear a difference when filtering out noise that low, likely because the extra noise introduced into the electronics by those very low signals is having a detrimental effect on the processing of signals in the audible range, so he's aiming to get rid of the noise in the -300dB range as it affects the processing of the notes that you hear.

[@chefsteve8381]

Your best work yet...about time someone called out the shenanigans channel, he Always dodges double blind A,B,X testing the only thing he has got to prove his right, as he also is not a measurement believer. Well when your given free gear you gotta say something good to try sell them.

[@scientificaudiophile]

Exactly why some companies have stopped sending me products.

[@r423sdex]

​@@scientificaudiophile fu. K t..em.

[@IanKnight40]

I worked for Leicester hifi company here in the UK years ago. We used to make our own phono to phono cables from unshielded 2 core 5 amp lighting flex cable that we purchased in 100mtr reels from a electrical clearance company. It came in two colours.... Gold and yellow. We used to charge £20 for the gold and £80 for the yellow. The customers usually always purchased the yellow cable because it sounded "better" after a comparitive listening demonstration either in the shop or at their home. It was exactly the same cable.... The honest guy that I used to never let them purchase he yellow cable.... Much to my very unscrupulous boss.

[@ReverendDr.Thomas]

​@@scientificaudiophile Who is "Passion for Audio"? ☝️🤔☝️

[@jamess7589]

@@scientificaudiophiletheir scared of honesty, and the Bish.

[@FunFiEmpire]

You my friend are the Andy Kaufman/Eric Andre of the audio world. True dedication to the craft, the real deal. I did a spit take on the 100,000 dollars of my father's money. Classic. Keep up the hard work, I enjoy your art and your apt review of all things "audiophile". Cheers.

[@scientificaudiophile]

Wow, thank you!

[@jari121]

The funniest thing is that some people claim to hear sound differences even with optical cables. I have only used €1 Aliexpress optical cables. As speaker cables, I have used only 2.5 mm or 4 mm pure copper cables for 40 years, which today cost 2-4 euros per meter. I've never even thought about changing the power cables. For streaming, I still use cheap Google Cromecast audio devices combined with the cheapest transparent dac. I put my money on a good amplifier and speakers, and most of them are also bought used. Keep up the good work and expose the snake oil merchants.

[@scientificaudiophile]

While it's true cables don't make a difference, any audio via WiFi will sound terrible without ultra processed air. I use the canned air and spray four cans prior to any listening session. Really lifts the veil.

[@arize84]

You first boldly state that you have not compared cables (so u have no experiential basis to make any claims), but it doesn't stop you from blathering on about snake oil. 40yrs in and yet so happilly ignorant. Good for you, you have saved yourself a great deal of money. And if you ever decide to try higher quality cables and you don't hear any difference, it's most likely because you don't have a transparent system (which is fine), but it is very unnecessary to knock those who have had legitimately different experiences.

[@mrpeterfromgodknowswhere]

I don't think your use of the word "legitimately" is legit.@@arize84

[@ryanschipp8513]

I'm a Google Chromecast Audio user too!! I fact, I have 3 of them. 3 rigs. Sound amazing! Each rig is only 5k to 10k.

[@AndiGomez-yu2dx]

@@arize84just stop it, please 🤦

[@scottlowell493]

They also say things applied to overpriced audio "If you think it's snake oil (or don't like it because t's expensive) , you are angry because can't afford it". Darko < cough>. I can afford it, and a lot of it is STILL snake oil and overpriced nonsense. In addition to psychoacoustics it's all presentation. It's the TYPE of speaker, not the high price. Horn, dynamic, stat, planar.

[@scrivs1976]

You sir are my Gallant Knight on a noble crusade to humble the charlatans!! Well said Sir SA!!

[@scientificaudiophile]

Thank you.

[@artyfhartie2269]

Use your own ears. Not others. Good cables (I'm talking about 20 dollars cables well made with good connectors amd shields) make a great difference in sound. From empirical evidence.

[@asx1248]

Keep calling them out! Maybe you could have an infinite BS rating system.

[@scientificaudiophile]

Brilliant!

[@Sharur1]

so excited for the blind test

[@scientificaudiophile]

Why do I doubt it will happen? Am I too much of a skeptic?

[@bassfan71]

Thank you for sobering up the audiophile community. Everyone gets so lost in the marketing soup they take the fun out of the hobby! It's about playing your favorite music and having a great time doing it.

[@scientificaudiophile]

My pleasure!

[@scrivs1976]

I hope Hemholz is doing well and understands that not all humans are as special, and important to the world as his cat🐜🐜🐜🐜 High-five guys!!✋🏽🐜🐱

[@WHAT_1400]

I've been collecting high end audio equipment for 400 years.. I've never listened to any music before in my life. stay blessed

[@scientificaudiophile]

Music is for the common people, equipment is for audiophiles.

[@amb3cog]

I've dealt with this jagoff before. He's not at all knowledge. And when I pointed out some simple flaw. He just dug in, wouldn't listen, and got nasty. So I unsubscribed. And will never watch him again. He's definitely got issues. ✌️

[@RileytheBunny]

Thanks for doing this one. The snake oil cables and endless new DACs shown on the channel is insanity.

[@tugbars4690]

Irrational beliefs often arrive as a full package. For example, if someone believes that a dac with low distortion, low noise, and sharp filters sounds different from another DAC with similar measurements, they might initially be skeptical of the so called benefits of power conditioners, cables, or jitter-reducing devices.... elements often regarded as audiophile mumbo jumbo. However, over time, they may find themselves gradually embracing these very beliefs about products that don't show any measurable difference. This shift illustrates how a single irrational belief can pave the way for the acceptance of additional, similarly unfounded beliefs/opinions. They don't just stop at one delusion; pretty soon, they end up buying into all of them. The more they buy into all this nonsense, the more they avoid volume matched double blind tests too.

[@scientificaudiophile]

Great point. I love the ASR channel, but I wonder how many people spend a few dollars more on a DAC that measures 124 SINAD vs 114 SINAD.

[@AsAgral]

“ESS9039Pro sounds much better than cheap ESS9038Q2M” ;D

[@chungang7037]

@@scientificaudiophile Yes, that is another type of audiophile trap; chasing the dragon becomes chasing the measurements

[@johnkom2339]

It's true that more expensive does not translate to better. This whooooole discussion has been rehashed many times. Stereophile reviewers said this way way back, the same thing, that you shouldn't equate price to quality, that's why it's always wise to test the lower-priced stuff first (especially when they allow free returns!). I found the Canare digital cable purchased 20 years ago has been adequate. With the analog cables however it might be worth trying some of the pricier stuff.

[@jarekharmening8993]

Actually, my friend who knows NOTHING about cables correctly identified the differences between 3 cables in a blind test on the same equipment.

[@scientificaudiophile]

You don’t have to know anything to hear a difference.

[@Synthematix]

Whenever i try to listen to my power cables, i can't hear a thing...

[@paulchristman4918]

I am soooo glad I subscribed to this channel a while back... Hope these great videos keep coming... Thank you

[@scientificaudiophile]

Glad you like them!

[@Chris-hy6jy]

Totally agree with calling out the whole "more money = better sound" BS. Only thing i would pick you up on is the "RCA cables don't make a difference" statement.

[@GlennElmer-t5y]

You're fun. Hard to tell sometimes when your tongue is in your cheek... So here's what you do: run a big high-powered amp at power, on a difficult load with much deep bass, and measure if there is any power loss with any of the cables. Also measure any difference in noise floor with a hard load. If there are actual results, this should be measurable. Also, on speaker cables: I sold high end at Goodwin's in the 90's, and it was easy to hear differences in speaker cable then, because so much of the expensive stuff was terrible. We had some decent measuring equipment, and what we thought was woven 14-guage with quality wrap worked great. We also found that people want what they want, and it was our job to hand it to them, even if we didn't like it. Carry on.

[@peterotremba8980]

This is the video I need to watch!

[@chungang7037]

I hope you address Wavetheory's videos on cable reviews as well, in many ways the mental gymnastics happening there are even worse. He does occaisonally say that cheaper cables can sound better, but it only muddies the waters. You are right, how anyone can believe they are immune to the marketing hype is beyond me. The other major offenders here is Moon Audio, speaking of predatory marketing with their "dragon" cables to tighten up that low end. The only thing that should be tightening up is people's wallets.

[@sensoryexpanse]

From my experience USB cables I have found that different cables can sound different on "some" sources and that doesn't tell me that one cable is better than the other, it just tells me the USB implementation of the source i.e. DAC is trash or maybe the manufacturer cheaped out on the cable materials. I almost fell for this shit in the past but I did my own anecdotal testing and decided, I might buy $60 cable over a $15 cable only based on build quality and sturdiness or style points. USB cables for "improving sound" is fucking snake oil. Again, great video and I agree with everything. Its sad when I do occasionally see these snake oil videos lmao. No disrespect to the guy but people need to be informed! great work!

[@FelipeBudinich]

What is stupid about cables is that I would *gladly* pay more for more *robust* cables/connectors. Can I trip on it and not destroy it? Can I bend it? Can I step on it? Etc... But that is not what is being offered.

[@scientificaudiophile]

Sadly the money is in selling snake oil, not better cables.

[@FelipeBudinich]

Thought about if for a day and now I'm just mad. High-end lavalier microphones are expensive *BECAUSE* they have more robust cables. Robust cables exist, but not sold.

[@sidesaladaudio]

Price bias and psychoacoustics are a hell of a drug. I’ve had a company reach out to review their IEM cables that cost at minimum $150, and go up past $1k, (marketing the materials change parts of the sound signature) and another for USB cables. I refused at the time since I was more timid about making a controversial video that would be negative about them, but I do think it is good to call out snakeoil, and nowadays id probably make a proper video about them and why I wouldn’t recommend them

[@scientificaudiophile]

Effect Audio just asked me to review their $237 iem cables, with a caveat that if I liked them they would give me 40% off, and if I did not want to keep them I would pay for shipping back to Singapore. I refused because I knew, except for looks and braiding, they wouldn’t sound different. I probably would have done the review if they would pay for shipping back, but with a 99% chance of eating $15 - 25 for shipping, it just wouldn’t be worth the time and effort. Thanks for sharing.

[@34332]

​@@scientificaudiophile No (to) Effect Audio it is.😄

[@chungang7037]

In Korea here a few audiophile merchants sling IEM and headphone cables around the 5000 dollar mark. The website at one point said they were "sold out", lol, someone is buying them. Good grief...

[@scientificaudiophile]

And they just agreed to send me a pair, as long as I do a give away. Hopefully in the next couple of months I'll have my review of them.

[@34332]

@@scientificaudiophile An offer you can't refuse 😄 Anyway, still interesting i guess re. what you get (or not) for the $.

[@mondoenterprises6710]

I'm 62yo. I'm too old for this schitt.

[@crate718]

he doesn't review speakers or cables and only headphone gear. the company must've asked him to do them a favor.

[@bootstrapjesse]

I love it! You are so funny. Truth bombs!

[@rejean2744]

It's stupefying how some believe a cable change is more important than improving their room, or adding a sub.

[@nudebaboon4874]

Well said Chris.I use Maplin pro inter connect cables, decent connectors, decent cable, decent shielding, and great prices!!!

[@scientificaudiophile]

Yes they are!

[@rejean2744]

I unsubscribed from his channel after that power cable video. "It's not even close" ??!!....see ya. 35,000 minus 1.

[@CammyFi]

What about the fuse video

[@rejean2744]

@@CammyFi.....damn, I missed that one.

[@Jon-nz3dm]

Same, a few years ago I just couldn't watch it anymore. The delusions are so extreme

[@baronvonaux8294]

I unsubscribed after the Fuse nonsense. I don’t need a KZbinr insulting my intelligence!

[@johnstump2433]

Yeah, That’s the same time I unsubscribed right after I was yelling at the TV, calling out his bullshit!

[@artyfhartie2269]

A few years ago, I replaced six interconnects cables on my hifi systems which cost about $200 in total. I did not notice anything different from the cheap ones I've had for years. Next day, the sound was like night and day. Am I suffering from psycho acoustics disease or just a psycho?

[@scientificaudiophile]

Just pretty cable infatuation. $200 isn’t a lot for 6 interconnects, and if they got you to listen more attentively, then they’re well worth the modest cost.

[@sidesup8286]

Interconnect cables often sound near bass-less until they get about 12 to 15 hours on them. These people on channels like this, that cannot hear differences between cables are not our most astute or serious listeners. What you heard after a day was no delusion. The delusion is that these cable doubters think they are top tier bananas as evaluators and they're not. Some of them are bananas though! Who you gonna believe these KZbin guys or audio pioneers like J. Gordon Holt, Harry Pearson, Robert E. Greene, Jonathan Valun etc. or legendary audio designers like Nelson Pass, Lincoln Walsh, Saul Marantz, Henry Kloss, John Curl, Matti Otala, Roy Allison, Arthur Khoubesarian, Dan D'agostino, etc. If you think these KZbin doubters are on the same level as people like that; you're nuts! Believe your own ears. What they try to portray as proof is laughable.

[@CurlyHoward928]

Amen Brother Chris

[@Stravideo]

Great video, cannot agree more...

[@Joenerk]

100%. I'm only interested in streaming services, transducers, and room correction. I don't do analog sources. All other electronics are solved, i.e. fidelity is at the limits of human perception, and it is available at increasingly affordable prices.

[@dangerzone007]

Lachlan should change the name of his channel to Passion for psychoacoustics.

[@jabezhane]

Rebranding is another bugbear. There was a product called the Chord Clearway power filter. I think it sold for like £200 20 years ago. I found out it was just a rebadged Farnell PMF6 that cost £20 back then and mentioned it online. It soon vanished from Chord's product list.

[@scientificaudiophile]

I remember somebody rebadged an Oppo once as well/

[@jabezhane]

@@scientificaudiophile Yes take a $20 PC DVD rom drive, add some unnecessary power supply and 1" thick copper chassis and charge $5000.

[@geoff37s57]

I wish I could give this video a million “Likes”. Lachlan has a dangerously vivid imagination combined with a profound ignorance of basic science.

[@tugbars4690]

Additionally, speakers with absurdly low impedance can have their frequency response altered by the impedance of the cable. This may be worth to add to the *cable caveats* Usually only esoteric speakers like Stax dipole panels or old Infinity speakers have such low impedance.

[@scientificaudiophile]

That’s 100% true, but two copper speaker cables of the same gauge will sound identical through those speakers. Maybe an 10 gauge cable would be better for those speakers than a 16 gauge.

[@johnwright8814]

I once had some bi-wirable speakers, and I put a 1 Ohm resistor in series with the tweeter, just to see what would happen. You might expect a night-and-day difference, wouldn't you? I couldn't hear a difference, even though there obviously was a difference, because I made it different. I haven't been bothered about cables ever since. I don't care. Try it yourself, see if you can tell. These were 8 Ohm speakers. Can't be bothered trying it with 4 Ohm speakers, although the percentage change would be greater.

[@mddawson1]

@@johnwright8814 This is literally what a Sunfire amp's "current" output is. Sunfire amps have two sets of speaker outputs for the front L/R channels. One is labelled "Voltage" and the other "Current" which has a 1ohm resistor in series with the + output. Bob Carver believed increased output impedance results in a warmer tube sound. I have a Sunfire amp and have tried both outputs, both full range and bi-wired (V to bass, C to midrange/tweeter). It does sound different with high frequencies roll off sooner and audio sounds less defined using Current outputs. That is why I only use the Voltage outputs.

[@totalplonker824]

Even after auditioning 3 separate AVR's, the same ambient sound of the room was still present! That told me the unwanted faint background signal noise I had been experiencing had nothing to do with the actual units. Therefore, my attention changed to the cables. And even then It was only on the third occasion after I finally purchased shielded cables that the noise floor within my small room finally came down to satisfactory levels. Unshielded cables often act as antennas for attracting RF, and the longer the cable, the better the antenna. Probably explains why when I used to disconnect my heights and surrounds within 10 minutes, the faint background signal noise (RF/EMI) within my small room used to disappear/dissipate. The more cables I shield, the quieter my room becomes. In fact, the last group of cables I shielded were my HDMI's, and Lo behold the room became slightly quieter again. When friends came around, I used to show them how loud the system goes. Now I prefer to show them how quiet it goes. None of them gets it, of course 😂

[@scientificaudiophile]

Shielded cables are a great reason to ditch the stock cables.

[@klepp19]

Can you do a video on dacs?

[@scientificaudiophile]

A reaction video?

[@Non-y3s]

Passion of sound also has done blind testing with snake oil products and most of the people in the experiment including audiophiles couldn’t tell differences. Then he tries to justify why the snake oil doesn’t work. I’m basing comment based on memory, someone can go correct me. There was also another blind test from the headphone show and there was three headphones including the hd800s. Hd800s scored dead last while the cheaper headphones out ranked it. I kid you not one of them described it as “car speakers” that belonged in those obnoxious cars with fart exhaust. 😂. But they then try to say “the blind test was flawed” blah blah blah. Then they said “the person next to them influenced their decision” which is funny because I see audiophiles and reviewers do the exact same when talking to each other.

[@Non-y3s]

Still loved the hd800s though. 😅

[@scientificaudiophile]

I did see Passions blind test where they made excuses. Funny that he then doubled down on the premise with power cables.

[@simonirvine1628]

If audio-files were to knock on a recording studios door and be lucky to get the assist role and then work hard for 2/3 years then they would learn how to hear.

[@polarbear3427]

The "influencer" doesn't influence me. Show no mercy Scientific Audiophile!

[@Chris-nd5se]

One of the writers at Stereophile magazine did actually take up the James Randi challenge but they could not agree on the conditions of the test. There were probably so many clauses in the terms and conditions and unreasonable test conditions that made it impossible for the reviewer to win the money. Have you actually listened and compared the sound of Tellurium speaker cables yourself to another inexpensive cable. If not, what grounds have you got to say they do not sound different. Having said that, not sure if Lachlan could pass a blind test.

[@scientificaudiophile]

The issue was that Michael Fremer agreed to the test with Pear Audio cables. Everything was set, them Pear pulled out and refused to let their cable be tested. No other manufacturer was willing to come forward.

[@Chris-nd5se]

@@scientificaudiophile Ok, but Michael Fremer was willing to participate in the test. I take it that as you did not answer the other part of my question, you have not compared the Tellurium speaker cable to another one in a blind test through a revealing system ?

[@scientificaudiophile]

No, I did not. Not going to waste my time. But please link your video when it's up. Thanks.

[@susokraut3169]

Of course Lachlan would dodge any proposed blind test, they all do. Golden Sound is hearing all the “differences” between the DACs, but he evaded a blind test offer by ASR ever since. These people are ridiculous. Best excuse is that blind tests are too “stressful”, Robert Watts is using this.

[@scientificaudiophile]

I always love when they say the difference isn't even close, then the stress of a blind test makes it impossible to tell the difference.

[@noturnleftunstoned72]

Keep on keeping my good man. The Truth seems to have taken a back seat to feelings and nonsense "analytics". When people come here they are assured 3 things: [1-] honest takes and correcting the hobbies' lies & pointless information,[2-] humor and [3-] a killer burnt orange blazer.

[@scientificaudiophile]

I’m not aware of any humor in my videos, but I agree with your other two points.

[@darrellross8609]

He told me my system was crap and replace it. Giving me a Speoncered shopping list to follow.

[@42468]

youtube ate my comment for linking to kenrockwell… what are your thoughts on the $9 Lightning to 3.5mm DAC? “I measure -0.075 dB at 18,500 Hz, -0.15 dB at 19,250 Hz, -3.5 dB at 20,900 Hz and then it cuts off sharply to -95 at 21,700 Hz.” < this blows a lot of $$$ phone DACs out of the water “0.0011% THD and harmonic distortion components at 1 kHz at 0 dBFS into 200KΩ at maximum output level.” frankly, I don’t think you could tell there’s a $9 DAC in a chain going into nice speakers… get an old iPhone 7 with good lossless 48khz sample rate files and 99.9% would be happy

[@scientificaudiophile]

It’s really good.

[@beefsupreme510]

Only snobbery I’m hearing is from you buddy 😂

[@scientificaudiophile]

Amen. There’s no bigger snob than me!

[@AndreaRavaioli]

I think you haven't been mean in the least in this video. You said that those KZbin reviewers (I call them promoters) believe in the myths they preach, while realistically is much safer to assume that they have been incentivised, at the very least with a free unit not to be returned, which will generate a (tax free) revenue through Ebay or other marketplace. He also admitted that in a video, where he says the channel has bills that must be paid: ok, understood, but then it becomes a promotional business! Those are no longer independent opinions. Like you, I never thought that you get what you pay for: that is really thevking of the myths. You pay what their marketing team thinks is the maximum you will pay. That is why you see so many price adjustments over time.

[@chinmeysway]

legit testing is probably very hard to do i assume: you’d have to a/b and add a third c cable w the same speakers and amp, and there’d have to literally be no gaps in sound; a/b/c would all need to ‘touch.’ or your using memory which for subtle changes isn’t a thing for our brains to do accurately. but i’m still curious like how does one even set up a switcher for 3 cables whilst other things remain stationary, is this a thing that’s taken place? edit oh and it’d have to be listening to the same section of a song per time that was looped, a tone generator being looped or better, maybe just white noise. cable c helps rule out guessing correctly by chance. then you’d want a large number of listers to shoe if any statistical trend could be found.

[@marstedt]

I can't believe we''re still talking about cables. :|

[@iamamadman6542]

Thanks for setting the record straight. I didn't know @PassionforSound before, I'm stunned. He's almost a parody of himself. Audiophile snobbery personified. Are you sure this isn't a comedy channel?

[@scientificaudiophile]

Sadly this channel is not a parody.

[@AlexMitchell-sj4sb]

So the electrons going through this bit of cable are somehow more pure and improve the sound of hi-fi?

[@middleearthltd]

I follow along with high-end audio channels and enjoy seeing $50k plus cables and $200k plus speakers etc I don’t care how other people spend their time and treasure I think it is cool that crazy stupid stuff exists and I am down to check it out I am bemused that when one describe their system there is an obligation and expectation that they list their cables and that there is an assumption that they have cables They would laugh at me and I would smile back My snake oil is typically 10 to 14 gauge OFC stranded cables that I cut by hand and are bespoke sections of speaker wire

[@maxvaly7747]

So, power cables differ in color, length, connectors, malleability, shielding, external thickness, external insulation materials, internal insulation materials, conductor placement, number of conductors, conductor thickness, silver 99.9%, copper 99 .9%, copper and silver, conductors of different thicknesses, conductors twisted to the right, conductors twisted to the left, etc. but will they all sound the same? there is not the slightest difference in sound?

[@scientificaudiophile]

Not a difference at all. As long as each cable is capable of carrying the current required. Now there are speaker cables with filters built in to purposefully change the signal, and those you can hear the difference because you’re listening for the worse sound.

[@tugbars4690]

Yes. 20khz is too *slow* for cables to make a difference. In Ghz range, cables can make a significant difference in how precision devices operate. Shunyata shows measurable differences between their cables vs cheaper ones in Ghz range without making it clear to the audience in their presentations.

[@erwinvanhulten9561]

Power cables do 50 or 60 Hz@@tugbars4690

[@el_arte]

Passion for Sound jumped the shark some time ago. He is not alone, though. People who hope to make a living on YT all end up like that.

[@richardbixler]

If an audio reviewer doesn’t know how to turn down the gain on his/her microphone run for the hills! Somehow Passion for Sound is whispering, yet it sounds like he’s smashing Rice Crispy’s directly into my eardrums.

[@damphear2]

yet when you scope everything its all the same

[@CammyFi]

Psychofoolry

[@realitykicksin8755]

Audiophiles who appreciate the extra sound quality of getting a better power cable … should consider stripping down the whole power circuit in their home and replace it with better cables. They should then build then after the powernet a rectifier with a massive DC battery and install a proper -- digital -- AC generator stage.

[@scientificaudiophile]

Smart. Now that will make an audible difference - though I prefer to use DC and modify my equipment for DC instead of AC. Edison was right and Tesla was wrong!

[@Peter-s7h]

I don't think you're being mean, quite the opposite. A German audio influencer, or whatever you want to call it, “discovered” a cable by chance.. a few weeks ago. An absolute insider tip. It's so good that he could already hear the difference on his smartphone ....!!!!! Of course, he then tested the cable extensively at home and it was incredible (in the truest sense of the word) and exactly as you explained he said: "Of course the cable costs a few hundred euros but compared to his personal cable that costs 2000 euros it was much better". You said about these "audio reviewers" : "i think they do believe to hear a difference" You and i know that they don't. Don't worry, you are not mean at all. Show no mercy.

[@jimfarrell4635]

OK. Firstly, the Many Worlds theory of quantum mechanics makes a lie of your infinite rating system. Secondly, Lachlan is going to be genuinely upset by this as I see him as a sensitive soul who genuinely believes in what he says. Thirdly, I agree with every word you said about cables. Buy on utility, price, build quality and aesthetics. Lastly, if you watch KZbin reviews and don't take into account conscious and unconscious bias and psychoacoustics then you yourself are naive to the point of stupidity and should not be let out in public without a minder in case someone sells you London Bridge. Again.

[@scientificaudiophile]

True

[@CarlVanDoren61]

VMPS V60 are very revealing Extensive listening sessions

[@scientificaudiophile]

I'd love to get my hands on a pair. They look amazing.

[@bradrose6323]

Keep being mean S/A!!!! I enjoy every minute!!

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

Ive been calling him out for months to SHOW us that he can do what he claims he can do. He made a video a while back saying he could hear the sound arriving through X material cable faster than Y material cable. 😂 The guy must have superhuman hearing. Also whats the go with the way he talks? Nobody talks like that in real life, is he malfunctioning or something?

[@scientificaudiophile]

I never saw the video you mentioned but I've heard people talk about how quick a $2,500 pair of speaker cables were. Like what?

[@johnfloore9799]

Damn straight!

[@nabman_]

Who should I call if I want to have high-end power cables run from my house to the power generating turbines directly? Honest question - no troll here.

[@razisn]

A shrink.

[@scientificaudiophile]

Sadly I tried to get $4,700 per meter power cables run to the pole and they told me that they wouldn’t do it because they couldn’t handle the 400 amp load. This after I sunk $378,000 of my Dads money into them. Luckily I sold them for 80 cents on the dollar, but my Dad still thought I wasted his money. He just doesn’t get hi-end audio.

[@HannesBrent]

I ask myself all the time, what happens if a 800 dollar cable manufacturer switches completely to direct sales and the cable then becomes 200 dollars cheaper, is the cable suddenly worse than a cable from another manufacturer that still costs 800 dollars? I hope Passion for Sound can explain this :D

[@scientificaudiophile]

Great question, but the answer is they shouldn’t lower the price, as it does make the sound worse.

[@MantratyaProds]

@@scientificaudiophile lol

[@scrivs1976]

The video (rubbish) that you’re referencing is cringy beyond belief. Is it just me, or does his voice sound waaaaaay overprocessed- maybe he’s using the “air” setting on his interface, for that extra sizzle, but his voice sound nds too wet, like he had to lube his mouth and throat before the cable review😎

[@scientificaudiophile]

He isn't using any processing. His 3.5 mm mic cable is a $2,700 silver lined Nordost Ultra Pickup cable.

[@crazyprayingmantis5596]

His voice and the way he talks (the rhythm) really really annoys me

[@scrivs1976]

It is the most forced wannabe late-night dj voice ever. So bloody cringe. Trying waaaaay to hard.@@crazyprayingmantis5596

[@scrivs1976]

I won’t even use that for the animals water bowl. Platinum/Rhodium (in perfect quantum alignment of course), or the signal (or pet food/water) becomes smeared (on the animos face, as well as on the side of the bowl. These precious metals (single crystal) reduce the chance of the dreaded “time-smearing” effect. Glad you know better. Too late to get ha on the ballot?👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻😎😎😎😎🐜🐜🐜🐜🐜🐜@@scientificaudiophile

[@blueaquilae]

I own some hardwares that Passion reviewed and I can affirm that he's actively hiding weakness to promoted sells.

[@scientificaudiophile]

It’s inevitable when you start taking their money to promote certain products.

[@sidesup8286]

If I can't hear any difference will you pay me to start my own audio youtube channel and proclaim that it does wonders? I can use a few bucks.

[@chinmeysway]

you might be mixing up psychoacoustics with confirmation bias not to be hyper vigilant. i think theres crossover but one can still exist w/o the other (psychological response in general can occur regardless of magical thinking / bias hope etc) w luv, person

[@jabezhane]

I love that now we have access to sensitive measurement equipment that can tell us there is no difference between a £10 product or a £1000 one. If only we mere mortals had all this back in the 80's. It's just shown a lot of these hi-fi legends as just being lucky or hucksters. They don't like it that we now know...

[@gta4haterhq]

i love your videos.

[@scientificaudiophile]

Thanks!

[@Shadepariah]

In "The Audio Critic" Vol. 26 Peter Aczel headlined "The 10 biggest Lies in Audio". #1 was "The cable lie". Did he get the most shit over bi-wiring? Golden Ears? No, the cable guys came after him swearing they could hear a difference. Nothing ever changes in this hobby. Except maybe Lie #9 "The CD treatment lie". Been a while since I've seen anyone paint their CDs. whew.

[@scientificaudiophile]

I painted my CDs yesterday for the first time. Amazing how the look hanging from a spindle catching the sun come up in the morning.

[@mymodel6]

Van Damme cable, Neutrik connectors, Sorted....

[@thinkIndependent2024]

Thanks that guy makes the real not real videos Passion for Sound I think his kids are always sleeping in the next room

[@D1N02]

To the last fibre of my body I am repulsed by that guy. The hairs van the back of my neck rise whenever I see him.

[@D1N02]

I've got the same with Christopher Frost Photography.

[@nl8063]

It is silly how @PassionforSound is trying to justify his claim that different power cords make an audible difference in his comment section by using science jargon and so-called "evidence" from "peer-reviewed studies." Quite astonishing how far someone would go to justify something they think exists but doesn't. Maybe this is why we have religion?

[@zaq9339]

It's just because your system isn't resolving enough. Just because measurements don't show it, doesn't mean it's not true. I trust my ears, and you can't tell the difference because you don't want to hear it 😑 ...😂

[@emjay9733]

Get him!

[@buckethead84]

Ah yes, the eternal cable debate.

[@yourchildrensghost9736]

I was subscribed to Passion for Sound until he got on his Bullshit.

[@Bob.martens]

I admit, in a distant past, a previous life one could say, to have taken Hans Beeckhuysen somewhat seriously.

[@scientificaudiophile]

I love Hans. In my video of him ( kzbin.info/www/bejne/e33XcqSvhpaUfqcsi=dvKc7oyiFUqR0fRj )I explained clearly that his-end power amps lack quality filtering of the incoming signal and that’s why power cables don’t make a difference with low quality amps.

[@Bob.martens]

@@scientificaudiophile They don't make a difference, period.

[@dangerzone007]

Lachlan can also hear difference in headphone cables. So can WaveTheory. When they talk about the difference in the sound of headphone cables I like to make a joke. I tell them that the corpse grave digger cable sounds a bit dead.

[@scientificaudiophile]

I've got a pair of headphone cables coming. $279 MSRP. I'm looking forward to the veil being lifted.

[@AnthorOne]

Yeh I started joking that this Passion For Audio guy would hear small but relevant difference if you would send "audiophile" humidifier for testing...

[@scientificaudiophile]

Actually, I strongly recommend you get and audiophile grade air purifier. Music over WiFi has a clarity with clean air that will amaze you.

[@trevorharrison29]

Checkout the most recent Alpha Audio video "Cables do make a difference". A whole bunch of people doing listening tests. Not a pure blind tests. They were always comparing against a known reference cable.

[@tan143danh]

The last meter of cable can make a big difference , try using a plastic one ,

[@PassionforSound]

Before pointing fingers and putting words in the mouths of others, you should probably do some extra research and find that I actually often prefer the less expensive product such as in my review of the Supra LoRad power cables (I tended to prefer the 2nd from the top cable): kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpjOZZeoiN6chK8 and also was very high on the second from the top cable in their interconnect range: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gnTPhGWenq2sb5Y. You might also note that I rate an amp like the Schiit Mjolnir 3 as high or higher than far more expensive models: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n6vaqaaIo7GBm8U There are plenty more examples I could share, but I think the point is clear.

[@scientificaudiophile]

So that’s what you got out of the video - price? Not the lunacy of hearing the difference between USB or power cables and not doing a real blind test?

[@Peter-s7h]

No not really, most of Passion for Sound videos show expensive cables, "audiophile fuses" or expensive Dacs and fancy headphone amplifiers ....(also a category of device that show only a very small, if any, increase in sound quality compared to the one I have built into my 500 Euro class AB integrated amplifier and better don't let me talk about expensive Dacs ! ​​Even IF someone were able to hear a micro mini tiny difference between a power cable... does not mean that 800 or 400 dollars are justified. The manufacturing costs are 20 dollars if... In addition, normal standard cables are the last thing you need to replace because they are the best link in the chain! They transmit frequencies without distortion and not even the best loudspeaker in the world is not capable of converting it into sound with this quality. The weak links are the room, the recording and the speakers. The strongest link of all are normal standard CABLES and therefore completely unnecessary to replace. Just like influencers claim that expensive cables sound better, I'll just claim the following : You wouldn't buy an 800 or 400 dollar cable yourself. Have you ?

[@dar._]

The more I listen what this "scientific" guy perpetuates, the less scientific he sounds. If people didn't continually push the envelope and question the status quo, we wouldn't even be able to argue about cables, they wouldn't exist. Quantum entanglement sounds like absolute lunacy that would have had you laughed out of the room by most of the greatest scientific minds a mere century ago, they'd furiously shake their papers and hurrumph as they refer to their peer reviewed studies and fundamental principles. Such inflexible hubris doesn't belong in the field, it's not so different to the flat earthers I see mocked in these comments.