S~A tier list after the balance patch - 2023 Lost ark

[@AnonW]

First

[@mikekim7625]

I think Scrapper identity skill still needs some work. I don't think the identity issues were addressed and solved properly. In my opinion, the identity feels incomplete and needs some development to make it feel more incorporated into the class. However, the overall dmg buff was nice and I think it was needed. Its not an overwhelming buff, but it definitely allows scrapper to compete against some upper echelon of the high dps classes.

[@MnS-Studio]

That's actually one of the points koreans do argue about. I do repect that as scrapper did not get updated for 3 years. I'm curious how people will think as this patch arrives

[@ericaug1786]

That balance patch just a start for scrapper, trying new things, complete overhaul will happen with male scrapper, then we'll see

[@leondisii]

@@ericaug1786 i hope so as a Scrapper main with 2 Scrapper alts :D

[@NeonValleys]

Yeah NGL I am very very confused by your decision to include both tai and shock in s tier here... Literally every scrapper player out of Korea at least from what I've seen on KZbin and twitch and inven translations are saying the class is now trash as a whole. And while I don't know about that what I have been told of the changes it makes sense. It's new identity and z skill seems to be literally useless for both tai and shock. I'm also confused as to how you think it solves any problems they had? It gives gauge, this was never a problem, it gives stagger, never a problem, it gives para immune, never a problem, it's gives their synergy, never a problem. The gauge would have been nice for shock but what do you know it only lasts 5 seconds for them lmfao so theyvget it for what 2 whole skills? And on top of all this, shocks overall damage was nerfed not buffed, while tai received a 10% flat dmg increase I think? That was needed anyways, so it isn't anything to write home about and not part of the rework. Overall, I can't comprehend S tier here. Not with Slayer sharpshooter and blade out here

[@MnS-Studio]

​@@NeonValleys Tai & shock are absolute S tier if you look at the overall dps . I don't what you've been told, but this video is talking about KR server after the patch and it's true in KR server. This patch did not arrive in global servers yet, so that might confuse you from opinions now in global servers. So to be clear, pls understand that this is a standard of KR. -Scrapper's problem was solved at least small amount. Scappers' problem was the limit of dps as they cannot use their main skills if they don't have the gauge. Before, they must use both yellow & green skills to control the meter, but still limit was the stress for scrappers. However, new identity solved this problem a bit because they can use their main skills regardless of gauge when they activate Z. I understand this cannot be the real solution for some scrapper users, but still the limit is off somehow.

[@coenvanmeekeren1479]

time to make an angry comment on how my class isnt s tier

[@hubachecka]

Playing 8 DPS chars and none of them are in here. Feels bad :D

[@tys5650]

There are classes not represented here that absolutely should be. EO SF not being on here is downright laughable.

[@jordanatkin6607]

As long as you have fun on those classes that’s the most important part :)

[@YonexCC]

As a former BT main (now Mayhem), I am excited to get back into it with the dmg skill buffs along the red dust buff. I'm pretty sure BT won't ever be S tier, but fingers crossed to at least see A tier potential.

[@MnS-Studio]

BT berserker is actually rising up in KR server. You'll love it when patch arrives for sure :)

[@AdamJensenReal]

Thanks for the list but its not a complete tier list, I wanted some info about Lunar reaper also I'm at dilemma to delete Machinist or Surge blade. But After the changes to blade I will keep it. Can you tell me how you rate: Machinist (evo) and Reaper Lunar. ?

[@MnS-Studio]

Lunar reaper also shows firm A tier dps similar to thirst, but we didn't include it because it has higher risk than thirst. If you were playing Lunar reaper before the patch, your reaper will be stronger than before. Machinist (evo) also has S tier stability in Thaemine raid, but the highest dps is lower than A tier classes. You can think it as right blow A.

[@Sajitus]

Hey man, I'm thinking of going back to lost ark, just done my first legion raid today (Valtan). I play surge DB and I feel like it's hard to keep the 20 stacks after I pop identity because of boss mechanics, does it get easier or is it a known issue? Also, which class would you recommend that's mobile, has some big hitting skills and medium floor high ceiling skill gap? Was thinking about predator Slayer but she seems a bit slow...

[@MnS-Studio]

Great work as you cleared Valtan! To answer your question, 1. Surge DB do have a problem of handling stacks when mechanic begins. It's know issue, but you'll get used to the timing as you keep playing. Umm if you are having a bit of stress playing Surge because of 20 stacks, you might get stressful as you must reach 60 stacks for high dps after the balance patch. You can consider changing to RE if you feel too stressful. 2. There are not many classes that's quick, showing big numbers. Especially if it needs to be quicker than Predator Slayer. My personal recommendation after the balance patch are RE deathblade(Supercharge build), Thirst reaper, and Pinnacle glavier. Try pinnacle glavier to test if it suits your style :)

[@Sajitus]

@MnS-Studio Thank you for the detailed response man! I will try RE as well, I was thinking about Aeromancer and the burst build (don't remember the name) Souleater, what is your opinion about them? And regarding Pinnacle Glavier - is it the type that doesn't switch to the spear? Because I don't really like the switching mechanic.

[@MnS-Studio]

@@Sajitus Full moon soul eater is a great class you can play. S tier for sure. However, aeromancer is not recommended as there are so many classes better than aeromancer (Unless you love the concept). Pinnacle glavier do need to switch stances.

[@UrMrR1ght]

@@SajitusAero not a major DPS class but great party synergy. Windfury Aeromancer has great mobility, easier to run in raids/guardians. Full Moon Souleater great to play too 👌

[@KymoriXYZ]

Hello, how big do you think is thje difference between Super Charge Build and Instant Cast build for RE? thanks a lot, consiodering if its worth swapping or not :)

[@MnS-Studio]

Around 2%. I've already done testing in KR server and the percentage is around 2~3%. Instant cast build is 2% stronger than Super charge build. But it's stronger because of quicker rotation, so I guess it's more return with more effort.

[@ummmemmm]

dont think night edge less than full moon, in stead i have seen ppl do more than the full moon, maybe its not objective

[@juantejada7371]

Hey! With the next mokoko express, which class do you recommend for very high DPS, Slayer Predator or Soul Eater Full Moon?

[@MnS-Studio]

If dps is one and only standard, play Predator slayer if you are fine with entropy.

[@yosne4936]

Its first intention wardancer now back atacker with entropy set ?

[@MnS-Studio]

You can , but that's minor build after the patch. Now, first intention normally uses 6 domion's fang, 6 Nightmare, or 2Nightmare 4 dominion's fang.

[@yosne4936]

with conviction/judgement rune ? @@MnS-Studio

[@MnS-Studio]

@@yosne4936 Yup

[@yosne4936]

i heard that so many people play nightmare on korea so i dont know @@MnS-Studio

[@Anastasis-is-here]

No CO summoner S tier? Hahahahahahhahahaha a joke ofc....

[@Anastasis-is-here]

@@MnS-Studio It is a joke, this class is so weak it's probably worst than DPS Paladin

[@berktasezen7404]

isnt it funny players from west say arcana is god tier,broken,SSS+ tier and nearly no korean player mentions her name iether we are playing a different game or korea got hidden arcana nerfs because apparently she is god tier on western servers ---In general good video,gives little insight for future

[@MnS-Studio]

I thought the same way. I got astonished that arcana is actually known as s tier in west server.

[@bubble0161]

any major engravings/stats changes in the new tai/shock scrapper builds, or are they more or less staying the same

[@MnS-Studio]

Scrapper guide will be uploaded next week:) There will be some changes you should know before you change/sustain your gear. Hold on! Stats & Engravings are not totally shifted, so don't worry:)

[@raphaaell3779]

Is Eso Striker played as 4 Spender with Spec? And would you say DEathblow>Eso because of Burst?

[@MnS-Studio]

Yup. 4 spender with 1800 spec is recommended these days. After the patch, if you want to reach the max dps, deathblow is recommended. The only problem of deathblow was utility. However, if you run esoteric with full spec, it's still slow. That's why people play deathblow if they are going to run 1800 spec.

[@LagunaNoir0310]

What do you think about empress arcana in kr server? With all these buffs to other classes they seem to do same dps with way less effort

[@qubixslol2356]

arcana and soulfist are two giga strong class didn't covered in this vids.

[@MnS-Studio]

I personally think all classes can reach A tier with high control ability (Same spec) But I do agree there are some classes which require more effort because of their identity or characteristics. In other words, yup arcana needs more effort

[@xibbas7055]

Where would you put AT scouter?

[@MnS-Studio]

AT scouter is difficult to answer. AT scouter has firm A tier dps, if the pilot has same control ability compared to other A tier classes. Therefore, AT scouter must get experienced in raids to fully reach the max dps and it's difficult to reach it. Right below A tier if you are not experienced in raids. Firm A tier if you are experienced & has high control ability.

[@omarmahmoud-g3u]

do you recommend shock or tai scrapper now

[@MnS-Studio]

I can't choose between them because both are doing insane damage. The only advise I can give is to decide depending on its play style. You want to be quick--> Taijutsu A bit slow with big number--> Shock

[@PescaitoFrito]

Hi I mostly play my main sorcerer mage, so far is 1550 item lvl, but I wanted to build another mage class this time summoner or something, but I'm afraid I don't see any Korean playing mage class, just a few of them plays sorcerer :(

[@MnS-Studio]

Good to see you. Sorceress is doing fine until Voldis abyssal dungeon, but not in Thaemine. That's why you can't see many sorceress players...

[@narugadr]

Hey, thanks for the Tier list ! It's always cool to see the Korean point of view compared to our own. But I wonder if the tier list wouldn't have been more explicit by including all the classes? Allowing a comparison tool

[@MnS-Studio]

Thanks for kind feedback:)

[@huzuvettin]

Thanks for the update! When this changes will affect EU?

[@MnS-Studio]

I don't know the exact date for EU, but I think it will arrive after the 5th anniversary event in KR. I'll leave a comment at my community chat if the date comes out.

[@huzuvettin]

@@MnS-Studio Thank you! Will be looking forward for the buffs as zerker mayhem main ^^

[@cyborg7162]

Thanks for the video :) Next balance patch in korea should be in 3 months or maybe before ?

[@MnS-Studio]

Balance patch term is around 6 month, but there can be hot fixes. We'll let you know:)

[@cyborg7162]

@@MnS-Studio Thank you, would be cool :) I hope they wont let other DPS like GS for 6 months haha !

[@iscuxcar]

What about Lunar Reaper ? Is that still low dps ?

[@MnS-Studio]

Lunar reaper is showing decent dps (firm A tier). But it's riskier than thirst.

[@iscuxcar]

​@@MnS-Studio nice thanks !

[@Keyjuann]

All i want is for gs skills to be sped up by 2%

[@clementguitard6653]

go salvation you will have 10%atk speed

[@MnS-Studio]

Gunslinger do need some kind of changes :)

[@omarmahmoud-g3u]

barrage not good now ?

[@MnS-Studio]

Barrage is good enough to play:) Shows decent dps nowadays. A lot better than Fire power enhancement

[@noelcovarrubias7490]

No shot this dude put blade not in S+ when all the koreans have her in S+. It don't matter if it's RE and Surge, she is amazing now.

[@MnS-Studio]

RE True. Surge Tr

[@artisambus9673]

seriously? Justice for Thirst?

[@yzpook1229]

what does compact rotation mean

[@MnS-Studio]

Compact rotation means that your rotation got quicker. For example, Deathblow striker consumed almost 12 seconds for 1 rotation. Now, Deathblow striker consume only 10 seconds for 1 rotation. That's what I call a compact rotation. in other words, concise rotation.

[@tauredruide]

Good video but too short so many classes are missing it's disapointing. Especially the one who got buff from this patch. Where is destroyer ? And alternative engraving no BT zerk, no punisher slayer, no moon reaper, no control LM. Please do a longer video or multiple video with every tier. If 80% of the class are missing what's the point of a tier list? what are we comparing to ? A tier yes but compared to what then ?

[@anthony26812]

How is moon reaper compared to thirst?

[@MnS-Studio]

Moon reaper also show decent damage similar to thirst, but has more risk. A tier damage for sure, but depends on who's playing it.

[@FailMongo]

yeah moon is pretty strong but pretty hard to reach ceiling, depends on the player

[@AVIZI0N]

U forgot Soulfist

[@spongy7579]

should I go tai 50/50 or full swift ?

[@MnS-Studio]

Taijutsu scrapper guide will be uploaded next week:) Mostly, scrapper rankers use two types. Full swift or around 1400 swift Among them Crit 700 Swift 1400 (Crit 850~950 Swift 1450~1600) build is recommended:) Highest dps with small risk

[@spongy7579]

should I be running crit or swift pet ? I have 774 crit and 1411 swift with no pet right now with lvl 3 set bonus including raid captain on my build @@MnS-Studio

[@spongy7579]

either way, I will be waiting for your tai scrapper guide :D

[@rammanjames]

@@spongy7579 You should always run the pet on your highest stat. swift, but it seems like you may have some low quality items that you would want to look at upgrading in order to improve your crit

[@Ingridvanillaice]

Artillerist is dead?

[@MnS-Studio]

Barrage is doing good job these days. Fire power enhancement is not...

[@ryanshattuck5910]

How is destroyer GT?

[@MnS-Studio]

GT destroyer recently got buffed. DPS differs depending on bosses you fight, but they are a lot better than before. They just require wise decisions on end contents... (Thaemine, Voldis...)

[@mvdmvp]

where do you think punisher would sit? also A with S tier potential?

[@MnS-Studio]

Punisher slayer has average A tier dps after it got nerfed. Also, it's difficult for punisher to reach high dps in end contents because of low utility. I personally think it's right below A tier

[@AQ-yn5ns]

They overnerfed Punisher imo, compared to how they handled Pinnacle for example. It makes no sense that Predator is way easier to play and execute but also does good burst and consistent dps, better survivability (full swift) and much stronger stagger.

[@tomenart]

does this include all classes? or just classes that got changed in balance patch?

[@MnS-Studio]

All classes after the patch. Standard was "Is this class good enough in end contents?" Needs dps, utility, fluency... and more

[@pangkamotegames]

*hehe striker still on the top gs now only waiting for renewed entropy next year*

[@MnS-Studio]

Hope it goes well for entropy users

[@Balyente]

EO Soulfist Hello? S Tier.

[@ppokll8524]

Zerk was already mega stronk before patch. After patch,mayhem will be insane - easy S tier. On survability - can cancel mayhem for full heal during various mechs. On top,for newer players or various situations,tank card set makes mayhem invulnerable. Hell,its even great for g1 akkan bus if you do 5 man without a sup

[@christopherpolanco7904]

Mayhem feels kinda poopy without warning though 😞 I know some suffer even more without yearning but still lol

[@ppokll8524]

@@christopherpolanco7904 yeaah tho with atk speed feast,its alright

[@emotionallyretarded5819]

You must live in a different planet to say mayhem is S tier lol

[@christopherpolanco7904]

Yeah I don’t think it’s S tier either tbh. But pretty consistent A tier imo

[@tobtheking18]

Its damage is way too low to be considered S-Tier.

[@rushdrift]

My surge going to be harder to play now this is sad

[@MnS-Studio]

New deathblade guide will be uploaded soon:) Check it out if it's that hard

[@dotagodtv1508]

1st time i see my scrapper in S tier lmfao

[@MnS-Studio]

Scrapper damage is insane these days. Big change

[@syzpj627]

Hell nah we gotta wake up

[@FirsTiiPoN]

why wardancer not s tier ?

[@MnS-Studio]

Similar reason with Surge deathblade. Esoteric enhancement lack utility, First intention dps differs depending on bosses. They get affected by environment a lot. But, they do can reach S tier depending on pilot

[@FirsTiiPoN]

ty@@MnS-Studio

[@testtestt5239]

Im surprised that arcana is not S tier, imo this class is S tier

[@tys5650]

It is. This list is garbage lol

[@MnS-Studio]

In KR, no one mentions Arcana as S tier. I don't know about other global servers, but I can surely say that in KR server

[@Arkwing]

My poor Arty main :(

[@MnS-Studio]

Artilerist also has A tier dps, but... You know what I mean right?

[@iagocanedo6688]

Poor magic classes...

[@clementguitard6653]

bard, arcana and summoner are s tier

[@matheusdantas448]

@@clementguitard6653 how do u know this?

[@bigP00FERS]

@@matheusdantas448 he lost to them

[@MnS-Studio]

Magic classes do some damage, but they just don't suit well on recent end contents. Especially, ignite sorceress ㅠㅠ

[@iagocanedo6688]

@@clementguitard6653 Summoner is not S tier.

[@rays5808]

Dang, Arcana really out of even A-tier? 😅

[@hightouch3986]

Yeah i don't buy it.

[@PinkuPandaz]

Shhhhh dont let them know so they dont nerf arcana

[@MnS-Studio]

Stay silent ppl...

[@tanaka325]

Gunslinger?? 😢

[@rjacks3284]

z dps

[@huseyin3737]

Does dı sh still suck mad

[@MnS-Studio]

They got buffed recently. In my opinion, they are fine with raids, but I can't say DI is better than other classes.

[@jetsamjetsam]

no gs :(