S&S 475C Stage 2 Review

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Today I talk about the cams I put in three weeks ago and give my initial thought and the 3 different configurations I ran.
Configuration 1: Modified stock head pipe with catalytic removed and converted into a 2 into 1
Configuration 2: stock head pipe with catalytic and converted into a 2 into 1
Configuration 3: plugged removed and stock head pipe with catalytic
I noticed that the bike was happiest with the 2 into 1 and catalytic. Properly tuned it ran great and I would recommend anyone to try the stock head pipe with the crossover plugged but leave in the catalytic in if your are only going to use home tuning.
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[@rsanchez5676]

I’m glad you mentioned putting the cat back in because that’s exactly what dynojet told me was not to remove the cat or the back pressure loss would be the wrong move , for performance! You are the first to mention this , and I’m glad you did. Thank you!

[@ncautolink]

I’ve installed Jackpot head pipe no cat with Rinehart DBX 4.5 slip ons and the power is amazing. Also inserted 6” FuelMoto torque cones and it improved the low torque a lot.

[@LonerBoi88883]

Love the sound of this on my bike bassani road rage 2, v&h fp3, stock intake(upgraded the element to k&n). Seems to be running great, I contacted v&h and had them send me a map.

[@dougm7737]

I also have the FP3 and was concerned id have to replace that also at another $400. Glad it all worked out. Ive delt with the customer service for the original install of the fp3 and they are awesome! Sgter the autotune they did some tweaking and it runs fantastic!!

[@MrScrappydoo85]

Most people who switch from the FP3 to the power vision from Fuel Moto and a good head pipe and muffler combo you should get more gains. If you're going to run no Cat you need to add a tuning insert to correct the back pressure in the muffler. M8s are extremely fussy if you take their back pressure away

[@PaulOnTheRun]

Yeah. I learned that real quick but just wanted to give some real world experience. I knew with my current setup I wasn’t going to be running catless and I may be in the near future having it dynoed and using the fuel moto. Right now it’s actually running really good. Once I catch up on some funds I’m doing that next. Deuces ✌🏼

[@lukeoliveira502]

As for the exhaust noise, find a Jekyll and Hyde exhaust. It has an electronic selector on it for noise. 👍

[@garyhohman3676]

I have the S&S 475 cam chest kit in my 2017 Tri Glide, power vision tuner. I did the cam chest kit to fix the M8 wet sumping problem. It did fix that because it gets a new oil pump. As far as performance, definitely a gain there in the 3K up RPM range, sound is awesome. Gas milage dropped to 32-33 mpg from 37-39. It is a little richer in AFR at idle but thats fine in the hot summer, may make it run a little cooler. If I had to pick what I like best about this cam kit would be the the wet sumping issue is gone, thats huge, quality components over stock OEM and the idle and sound is awesome.

[@PaulOnTheRun]

For sure on the sumping issue. My mileage took a tiny nosedive too but I'm contributing to me just riding it harder but it's ok. It's still way better than my truck which gets 12mpg. haha!!! Deuces ✌

[@garyhohman3676]

As far as Super Trap exhaust🤙. A lot of professional indoor racers use this exhaust. Some of the monster trucks, sprint cars, motorcycle racing etc. no power loss just sound reduction.

[@eagleeye5890]

I'm getting the same upgrades on our2017 Tri Glide Ultra too....hearing g a lot of good things about this set up and I can't wait to get it done!

[@garyhohman3676]

@@eagleeye5890 you will be happy with it. The fuel mileage drops probably where it should be anyway. HD has them too lean anyway. The sumping issue is gone. I have had it for approx. Six thousand miles. I did for the summer run Amsoil 60 w, HD recommends temps above 80 degrees to use straight weight so I tried it, really notice a diff. In felt heat in stop and go traffic. Will switch back to multigrade oil for the winter months. BTW, the engine runs much quieter with the cam chest. Very, very little engine noise!

[@ericv79flh]

New subscriber here. Thank you for your content, it is highly relatable to stuff I want to do to my bike. As far as your face shield fogging up, try the stuff that divers use in their masks, sorry but I don't remember what it's called. Probably "anti-fog"? My S&S 475 cam kit arrived yesterday! 11-9-23. I can't wait to feel and hear it!

[@michaelofiara9732]

I had an FP3. Junk. I got a powervision from fuel moto with a map from them installed on it for my Wood 22x cam and bam! The bike woke up like you wouldn’t believe.

[@PaulOnTheRun]

I’mma check them out. Right now it’s running surprisingly well and I can only imagine how much better it could run. Deuces ✌️

[@OZARKSHDRIDERS]

I forgotten who it was that I was watching but now S&S has a 500 something cam out now, and for the face shield fogging up, you should be able to get a pinlock for your face shield, enjoyed the video brother 💯, 🤜🏼💥

[@PaulOnTheRun]

I’m gonna take a look at that pinlock option. It especially fogs up when I’m motovlogging. Thanks. Deuces ✌️

[@OZARKSHDRIDERS]

@@PaulOnTheRun I have a Pinlock on mine and it doesn't fog up at all, but my glasses still do, ✌🏼

[@michaelofiara9732]

Plus one on the pinlock. Works so good

[@HudsonMoto]

Awesome video. I actually just dropped off my bike to get a 475 cam installed I can't wait! Also I'm looking for some heated gloves what's the brand and how do you like them?

[@PaulOnTheRun]

I’ve had the gerbing hybrid gloves for about 9 seasons and they still look like the day I bought them. They are a little more expensive but at 9 seasons of use you’ll understand why. You gonna love that 475 cam. Deuces ✌️

[@ocglide2566]

The 475 is a great cam, I went with the RS 468 cam with a power vision and map from fuel moto. I have heard that the FP3 has issues tuning cam upgrades.

[@PaulOnTheRun]

It really is. After about a good 700 miles it appears to be running pretty good. I did a couple pulls using the FP3 and I got a max of 133.5 ft lbs of torque. I know it’s not as accurate as a dyno but some impressive numbers were produced comparatively speaking. Thanks for watching. Deuces ✌️

[@ocglide2566]

@@PaulOnTheRun I am sure the butt dyno feels great, the 475 produces better numbers than the 468 but i am pretty happy with mine. I ran several auto tune sessions with the PV which helped me as well.

[@PaulOnTheRun]

@@ocglide2566 these bikes sure have come a long way and the tuning that you can do. It’s pretty awesome.

[@dougm7737]

So would you reccomend just keeping the stock headpipe on with the converter in it. I have the 107 and was thing about getting replacing the head pipe with V&H headpipe but that another 1k!!

[@GalvTexGuy]

I have a '20 Heritage Classic 114. I have no direct comparison with what you're running, but I will give you my experience, which somewhat verifies what you are finding with your setup. I wanted to keep my warranty, so the only thing I've done is change mufflers. I installed the V&H Eliminator 300s, which meant running without the cats since the cats are installed in the mufflers on my Softail. I am not running a tuner because doing so immediately voids the warranty unless the tuner is a Screamin' Eagle tuner. After installing the mufflers, I immediately noticed a drop in performance. I mean, it was very noticeable up and down the RPM range. Looking inside the mufflers, I could see they were basically straight pipes with some baffling around the inside perimeter of the muffler. I knew immediately that this is why I was losing performance. You hear about back pressure, though some will say that back pressure is a myth. Call it want you want, back pressure or scavenging, but something was wrong and I knew it was because I no longer was running with the catalytic converters. The mufflers were too free-flowing. Luckily, V&H makes quiet baffles for the 300s, so I ordered a pair. Let me tell you, after installing the baffles, the performance increased significantly. The tradeoff was that the exhaust wasn't as loud as without the baffles, but there are inevitable tradeoffs when it comes to exhaust systems. So, I think you're on the right track going with the SuperTrapp exhaust system with the tunable discs, especially since you're looking to quiet them down when towing your pups while, at the same time, not losing performance. I have an FP3 on my '14 Limited and I can't say enough good things about the tuner and about Vance & Hines customer service. Both are top notch. Anyway, that's my story and I'm sure you'll find that happy medium that you're going after. Good luck and thanks for the update on your installation, Paul. Good stuff!

[@PaulOnTheRun]

Yeah. I’m just hoping that Supertrapp works good but from what I’ve read it ought to work great. Of course I’ll follow up with a video on that once they have the black ones ready. Deuces ✌🏼

[@Setzerpendence]

they make stick on "pin locks" for the visor ;)

[@PaulOnTheRun]

Gonna be ordering one soon.

[@RB-tx4mn]

Love your bike bro. What handlebars you running?

[@PaulOnTheRun]

Those are the 13” Road 6 Customs Apes

[@jeremyperez8753]

So after putting some miles on with the new Cam have you ever had any issues with the clutch slipping?

[@PaulOnTheRun]

I’ve put about 14k miles since the install and I don’t recall feeling the clutch slip. I did early on consider upgrading the clutch but I never felt the reason to do so. I’ll add that I typically don’t dog my bike so I’ve never felt the need for it. Deuces ✌🏼

[@thphatboi]

Get a pinlock add on for your helmet visor, it comes anti-fog.

[@PaulOnTheRun]

Gonna check out. This fogging up sucks!!! Thanks for watching deuces ✌️

[@biolong48]

Installed the 475 cam on my 107 CI M8 and had a custom tune installed, Its a beast at times but constant gasping, bogging and poor throttle response...changed all i can think of from plugs, wires fuel filter etc. Tuner says its mechanical, Mechanic says its the tune....grrr

[@PaulOnTheRun]

What tuner are you using? I started with the V&H FP3 and ended up with a PowerVision mapped by Fuel Moto. Runs great after that.

[@biolong48]

@@PaulOnTheRun I'm also using the PV3 and had a custom tune sent to me by BLR tuning...

[@darrellhaskie4357]

So I had a 475 s&s cam kit put in my 2018 street glide 107 cubic my only problem was a red dot light is continually on when I’m riding or motor is running and I was told the red light is a error light and they could not clear it. And my RPM right below 2000 rpm it cuts out on me like to much fuel and back fires sometime so to keep over 2000 rpm that was what I was told where I had the cam kit put in. It was tune with DynoJet straight to the bike ECM now my question is can I correct all I mentioned and not have red dot light on or have to keep rpm higher? Other than that it runs great . Darrell

[@PaulOnTheRun]

Darrell it sounds like something else is wrong. I never had a red light or engine light come on once I installed it. You may have to clear your codes though. Did you purchase your own Power Vision or just had them download a map? Sounds like the map is wrong. I would recommend buying the power vision from Fuel Moto and let them tune the map to your bikes configuration.

[@darrellhaskie4357]

@@PaulOnTheRun no Paul I did not purchase a power vision they downloaded a map . I have no tuner on my bike . Thank you for the reply Darrell

[@PaulOnTheRun]

@@darrellhaskie4357 sounds to me like you don’t have the right map. On top of adjusting fuel mixtures there is also a timing adjustment. I’m just trying to rule out simple errors but if this was a dealer they need to make it right. If it was guy that bought a license to unlock and gave you a map he thinks was right then I would advise to just commit to fuel Moto and get them to tune the PV. You’ll have lifetime map adjustments and support plus you’ll be to auto tune for yourself also. Let me know if you have any questions. I’ll try to help with any info I can offer.

[@drainmonkeys385]

Does anyone think it’s worth voiding the factory warranty in favor of the 475? Or should i just wait to do it after the warranty expires

[@PaulOnTheRun]

You know I was two months out from my warranty expiring but timing was good and I really wanted it. Would I have done it earlier, now knowing how simple a setup this is and if installed correctly, yeah I would. Warranty is a funny thing though. They can only deny it if they can prove what you did actually caused the damage so the burden is in the proof and they can only deny those components. So for example if your regulator goes out, what does that have to do with your cam. Nothing. So while you may void one thing others are not. Hope this helps. Deuces ✌🏼

[@blessedhighlyfavored7263]

What is a better Cam? S&S475 or Screaming Eagle SE8-515 Stage IV Cam?

[@PaulOnTheRun]

I couldn’t tell you the specs on the se8-515. The 475 is a cam that gives good mid to upper range power. Aside from that it’s a great lope sounding cam. Hope this helps. Deuces ✌🏼

[@terryhaught9976]

Did the S&S CAM effect fuel consumption?

[@PaulOnTheRun]

You know....it did but not that bad. Maybe I lost a total of like 10-15 miles per tank. I notice it more when I'm in that 80 mph range but at around 70-75 which is my average range I don't really notice it all that much. Deuces ✌

[@johnporter2508]

Did u do this upgrade while u was still under warranty and just voided it or after u was out

[@PaulOnTheRun]

When I did this all I was literally about 5 days away from my warranty expiring but I didn’t wait because it was running out…I just happen to come across a little extra spending cash and did it just so happens my warranty was about to expire.

[@johnporter2508]

@@PaulOnTheRun I still have a year left and I have all the parts needed lol I'm don't know if I should wait or just go for it or just use a screaming eagle tuner on it for a year than put in a better tune

[@Braapstar219]

Did you have it dyno tuned? Or auto tune?

[@PaulOnTheRun]

Auto tuned. At first I had an FP3 but then purchased the power vision and Fuel Moto pre-loaded a map then I also autotuned it as well.

[@sunilkrishna5519]

Nice Video mate. Do a real Dyno and you will feel a great differnce

[@PaulOnTheRun]

I actually ended up using a tune from Fuel Moto with a Powervision and it really opened it up but I do agree that an actual tune will do it better.

[@nattyberridge9818]

What helmet is that ?

[@PaulOnTheRun]

That is the Scorpion AT950. amzn.to/3AK0EYI

[@rsanchez5676]

Divers apply toothpaste then remove, to prevent fogging on their diving masks.

[@drainmonkeys385]

You do not need heated gloves… what you do is go to harbor freight and go buy a box of nitrile gloves..put a few pairs in your pockets.. put one pair on, then your regular riding gloves and you will be good all day

[@PaulOnTheRun]

I have tried that but unfortunately it does not work for me. In the winter months the or even in really cold places my digits always get cold and stay cold. I know some guys that can just ride with regular gloves but not this guy. Thanks for the tip though.

[@TheBig31b]

What’s up buddy … getting ready to do the 475c on my 114 RGS … will u email me the contact information at Vance and Hines so I can get help with custom maps for my fp4 tuner