S&W Model 19 Classic vs Original

Comparing the original "Classic" with the New "Classic."
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[@hickok45]

Again, if you are confused about the NRA plug, you've missed some recent videos that explain it. See "NRA Announcement," "Shooting the Breeze # 37," and "Shooting the Breeze #38." If you missed all these recent videos and feel a deep need to TROLL and HATE, have at it. Getting a little attention can be addictive. :-)

[@maxcady645]

Yes Sir

[@camojoe83]

Lol

[@roycesjourney37]

Great response. Trolls gunna troll. Just like mosquitoes gunna bite. Ignore them and move on.

[@soviet-seagull601]

YES SIR

[@jimmysapien9961]

I Agree

[@Militaryarmschannel]

To those that think Hickok copied my video, it wasn't intentional and it's not a copy! These types of flukes happen more times than many of you may know. 😀 The truth is, Hickok filmed this before I filmed my video, he just didn't release it until after I had released mine. He didn't know my video was out there. As evidence of this, in this video he asks you to join the NRA which is something they stopped doing some time ago, well before I filmed my Model 19 video. It's just one of those freakish incidents that happen in life. Great video guys!!!

[@hickok45]

Tim and I considered helping to start a conspiracy rumor about this, but after a little thought, we realized that others would do it for us. There are already folks out there on social media who demonstrate expertise in this area. :-)

[@michaelsouza3582]

Bought a 19-3 back in mid 70's from an Oakland California motorcycle cop for 150 bucks. Best gun buy I ever made. Story has it that he had to shoot two guys that were holding up a store on E. 14th St. in Oakland with the gun and it kinda bothered him so he sold it. Doesn't bother me a bit, best shooter I own.

[@wittywilf]

One of my friends accidentally hit a child with his car. The accident was witnessed and it wasn't his fault but he literally never touched that car again, let alone drove it. The girl was checked out at hospital and only had cuts and bruises.

[@michaelsix9684]

don't know anyone who has one now, well made and classic firearm

[@BM-ru7ef]

Are there two notches carved into the grips?

[@charlietuna660]

I have a 1957 Smith and Wesson Combat Masterpiece that my police officer uncle killed someone with in the line of duty. He never touched it again and my mother passed it on to me.

[@michaelsix9684]

@@charlietuna660 keep it, it's a valuable pistol,

[@454pakr]

I prefer the darker wood on the original.

[@454pakr]

They're cutting costs by NOT having to stain and finish the grips, just like they're saving and NOT having to polish their stainless revolvers, leaving them an ugly brushed/matte finish. IMHO

[@sylvainster30]

Its all personal preference i guess.... 🙋🏻‍♂️me loves the new grips 🤷🏻‍♂️ ✌🏼😎👍🏼

[@vtbrian3252]

After a few years they'll darken

[@LN997-i8x]

@@vtbrian3252 They'll never look the same, as they are different types of wood. The old ones are Goncalo Alves, the new ones are some form of Walnut.

[@markgman4157]

I just got one and it has beautiful American Walnut stocks. That can't be cheap and they ARE darker. I also have a Talo version 686 with American Walnut stocks. Goncalo alves looks good but I have to say American Walnut is hard to beat. I have several early S&W revolvers and the two current models. They are all really nice. The shrouded barrel stainless and shroud is indexed to the frame. Torquing the barrel into the shroud clocks the system into place. Nice engineering. The nose ("firing pin" in barrel) is weaker than the firing pin. The color case hardening on the mim parts doesn't look as nice as on forged steel. I suspect the mim parts are very good but it doesn't take the CCH.

[@bonidle726]

The classic S&W's are far more elegant looking handguns than the new ones.

[@jeffdowler9130]

The difference is like old truck like my 63 c20 vs my 2012 f250. Your gonna get 10x times the millage out of the new than the old with less problems and more comfort. I was thinking about buying a 19-3 but I've changed my mind and buying a new 19 classic after lessening to a retired officer that worked on them for yrs. He gives a complete take down from a repair point of view and per session work ability for each part. Its like which would you rather have a wife that looks better or one that works better and is going to give you more reliable faithfulness though the yrs.

[@josephruiz7233]

@@jeffdowler9130 Good analogy. You can't shoot a steady diet of .357 Magnums in the old Model 19's made from the 1950's through 1980's, and I wouldn't even trust the ones from the 90's. I only do so every now and then. I have a Model 19-3, and a 2020 Made Model 19 Classic. The new era Model 19's are GOOD TO GO with a Steady Diet if general purpose 357 Magnums, and Hickok45 himself has said: "If you're going shoot HOT GAME LOADS of .357 Magnum Cartridges, then stick to Lever Action Rifles", ergo, for ANY .357 MAGNUM PISTOL: It's a smart and sound habit to avoid using a steady diet of Hot Game Loads in .357 Magnum Pistols of any kind.

[@Cabbieghost]

I'm 33 and every revolver I own was made before I was born.

[@jerardatchinsen4198]

Dude, i hear you there, 3 smiths, .44, .357, .38 all older than iam buy at least 40 years. Cool pistols to have, love revolvers, i carry the .38 chief.

[@tjschoenlein5189]

I bought my 19 back in the early ‘70s and carried it as a off duty weapon. There wasn’t A finer revolver out there in my day. The trigger squeeze is as good as it gets. I’ve always took great care of my weapons and i still own it to this day. At 82 I’m giving mine to my daughter when I cross the Rubicon.

[@johnakaoldguy3158]

I’ve had my Model 19 since 1980. It fires just as nice today as it did 40 years ago. You just can’t go wrong with it. 👍👍

[@cmonsterz]

I have one of these (new 19). It's actually a well made gun. I do like it. It is DEFINITELY a very pretty gun. That said, it lacks the pure beauty of the original. The bluing is different (I think that some of this is that the polish isn't quite as good underneath the bluing). I would like to not have the key lock hole. That said, I got over that blemish a very long time ago. As for MIM parts, Smith has used them for a very long time (as have other manufacturers). I've never broken one and I've been shooting for decades.

[@pittss2c601]

I have an early model 686 SSR with the forged parts. The hammer broke off. Now I don't trust their forged parts. I sent it in and they replaced the part under warranty.

[@DirtyDan1]

What are mim parts?

[@cmonsterz]

@@DirtyDan1 mim is an acronym that stands for “metal injection molded”. Early on, this technique produced metal parts that would sometimes fail due to the steel not being as strong as forged steel parts are. The technology for mim has improved significantly and it’s relatively rare for a mim part to break. That said, while forged steel can break, it’s still a fair amount stronger. Arguably, forged steel is overkill for some parts, but?

[@josephruiz7233]

@@cmonsterz It's not just MIM technology, but new treating techniques that are post-mim processing. There's ways to efficiently hand-treat & temper mim parts that do mimic forging techniques, but not as labor intense, time consuming, and costly. MIM Processing is much better understood today than when it came out in the Mid-1970s.

[@pianoclassics6328]

LOL You can tell he's really not excited about the new 'classic' at all.

[@nicolajc]

English Spot it is made to a price point

[@rlmrecoil9031]

I wonder how they're selling.... For me, ill spend the extra money and get an old one

[@bosse641]

They should have made the new just like the old. ....calling it a classic and all. Pathetic.

[@AxLWake]

Are old Smith revolvers that expensive in the US (I mean more than a new one)? I feel it's really not the case here in Europe.

[@rlmrecoil9031]

@@AxLWake depends on what you want, P&R will be more expensive and of course condition matters

[@357Addict]

New vs. Old boils down to how much do you want to shoot it? I have a 19-4 that I shoot but not as much as I'd like. I plan on buying the 19-9 to shoot as much as I want.

[@jcapicy]

@@AxLWake It is a collectibiliry or rarity price. Certain models aren't as commonly found for sale here. It's not that all S&W guns or even revolvers are more expensive for older models, just certain models.

[@ultraclassic01hd]

My 19-3 still going strong. Beautiful workmanship!

[@scottperson9487]

A frame lock and sleeved S&W will never be in my safe. Love the 19-3.

[@sisleymichael]

I feel what you are saying. I have a 19-5. Super firearm and I shoot it well. Will only gather more old ones.

[@ryanjewell9832]

I hate how they have the frame lock. :-(

[@BeeBee-wo1bh]

If you do not like the safety and sleeved barrel I get it. I will not use the name the safety is referenced to. The safety can be removed and the hole plugged. Sleeved barrels are used by some of the best revolver makers. If those features allow me and others to own this firearm I am grateful. I rather see the classic line being made available then not at all. I also wish they would provide the options to satisfy us all.

[@josephruiz7233]

@@BeeBee-wo1bh: The Model 19 "Classic"/ Model 19-9 has a more beefed up Forcing Cone too, due to the stronger lock-up design. I'd trust a steady diet of .357 Magnum through the Model 19-9 over the original Model 19's.

[@jamesstraub4981]

I would seriously consider buying the Classic if they would just leave the heinous key lock off.

[@porkfatrulz9337]

I’m sure most of the differences are due to cost, but the key lock is probably “Lawyer Proofing.”

[@pittss2c601]

When I hold the revolver out in front of me when shooting I can't see the lock.

[@jamesstraub4981]

@@pittss2c601 to each their own.

[@Mr45Bullitt]

I agree the new 19's do not match the old ones. I have 3 REAL classic 19's and they are my favorite revolver. Great comparison video!

[@jimmysapien9961]

Me too - I Agree

[@Tread505]

Glad you're still around Bill i miss Pete though... The good ol days

[@Mr45Bullitt]

@@Tread505 Thanks. Pete is still making videos just not as many. We still talk everyday on the phone. He's working and making holsters. I do miss the good ole days too!

[@Tread505]

@@Mr45Bullitt That's good to hear man. I still re watch all his old vids with a beer after long night at work. Just watched "Pete and Bills fat adventure" for 5th time at least few days ago lol.

[@aldor9357]

That Hillary Hole is such a turn off

[@tward7332]

Aldor. That’s what Bill said.

[@maexpert11]

@@tward7332 close but no cigar

[@nicholasflamel1134]

Nothing a politician did required those ugly locks. That was Smith and Wesson's own cowardly lawyers who decided to do that. Glock never put anything that ridiculous on their guns.

[@pittss2c601]

When I hold the revolver out in front of me while shooting I can't see the lock

[@dbullcutter]

The Original looks better than the Classic... without questions. 😉

[@pittss2c601]

Wrong

[@kaizer5795]

@@pittss2c601 u joking right? look at the new one's wood its one hell of an ugly wood

[@dodongxander1384]

I guess its preference

[@LN997-i8x]

@@pittss2c601 The polishing and bluing process on the older models is objectively better.

[@kevh8667]

Relatively new subscriber - love your videos. On the new 19 Classic: I can accept the new style grips & making only a rounded grip frame; it is easy enough to fit a set of "conversion" grips - as S&W does - to replicate the older style target grips & you can also fit a round butt set of grips. I would rather have a hammer mounted firing pin, but can accept it is now frame mounted. The differences between the hammer thumb pad & cylinder latch thumb pad don't really annoy me. I can accept MIM parts; that technology & processing is becoming mature & done right those parts serve well. I think the cylinder latching in the crane area would probably be more robust than latching at the tip of the cartridge ejection rod (I'm sure Ruger would say so!). It would be nice to have the cylinder recessed for the cartridge heads & a pinned barrel but I understand how the extra machining & assembly processes would probably be restrictive. A shrouded barrel is OK; it probably allows engineering to design it to be only a barrel without worrying about the aesthetics that the shroud accomplishes. But there is no way I can accept that safety key hole in the frame for the internal safety. I don't accept that it would cost too much to produce the Classics series without it. It would be less internal parts, & they currently produce both key hole & solid J frames. I would be a buyer for a few of the Classics line, but will continue to search for clean used pre-lock examples. Sorry for the rant..but the hole is ugly.

[@jasonhavers5961]

That bluing on that old one 😁😁 vs the new is gorgeous

[@markgman4157]

I think the modern machining is better today than it was even back in the 1970's. Heck, just look at cars. (My 1971 Camaro was a piece of junk after 60K compared to even my 1990's Civic) . The Civic lasted over 200K and was still in good shape. There is no point in producing an almost in spec gun that has to be hand fitted when the machining produces the same thing within tight specs item after item. I bet computerized machines can make a gun within tighter specs than a person could. I'm unconvinced by the internet mythology. Like I said, I have several very nice early S&W's but my new ones are just as nice and in some ways improved.

[@williambenton8929]

You are right on the money

[@Gideom007]

Correct- watch GunBlue490’s vid for more information to support your opinion. I agree with you.

[@LN997-i8x]

It's not that modern manufacturing processes and technologies can't equal the old ones: they absolutely can. The issue is whether or not contemporary companies use them to their fullest, and unfortunately, S&W has chosen the latter. Modern business practices are the problem. A great example is the polishing and bluing processes being used. S&W is perfectly capable of equaling that fine level of polish and bluing nowadays. However, they don't, because doing so would take significantly more time and expertise. The same thing affects quality control: it takes time and employees. Why bother with rigorous QC when you can rely on risk-analysis to find out how much you can skimp before returns and problems become too prevalent? Could S&W equal its past self and produce guns of the same quality? Yes. Will they? No. (There are some isolated examples of old-world techniques that can't be replicated due to external factors, like bluing processes that involve whale oil)

[@tylortylor5889]

This guy is cool. With everything that is going on with gun violence today he still manages to make them seem safe and fun. Don't own any firearms myself but i intend to own at least 4 or 5 some day.

[@k7gixxer1000]

The Old one looks 10 times better!

[@jbloun911]

Hillary hole for the win!

[@drivesideways6550]

One handed .357 group on the Cowboy.....Come On! …...Phenomenal! (9:44)

[@Lenmorey]

I like the old model 27 highway patrol 357 very tough revolver have prob 8000-9000 rounds of very hot hand loads and 5-6000 38 specials through it great gun

[@johnwunder3521]

model 28 is highway patrol

[@OfficialMINIm]

Ah, i think the model 19 is possibly the best looking firearm.. Like of all time.

[@jerryw6699]

Except possibly a Python, but the S&W works better.

[@OfficialMINIm]

jerryw66 python is up there too. I think python might be just a bit prettier. But then again i look at the model 19 and the proportions are just right. Its like choosing between a Ferrari and a Lamborghini. You just cant.

[@aserta]

Certainly one of the most iconic ones.

[@bansheemania1692]

My Dad has a Beautiful 70s model 16 Dan WESSON ... Nothing like Old Steel and Wood

[@conni4518]

bansheemania yes there is. Even older steel and wood!

[@davidsutter3431]

There r actually 51 improvements in the new classic - including out of the box trigger - cylinder lock up - always perfect barrel alignment to just name a few

[@robertwinkler606]

I respect all the upgrades, fit etc. I own a lot of older smiths, they look new because I clean and service them by the book. The new finishes do not appeal at all to me, look like a great paint job. The stocks are inferior, despite the machine diamond accents. I don't care if they are needed or not. Pinned and counter sunk. just add appeal. Like the new python, there are issues with this new breed. On the good side, computer cut parts are superior IF you expect service life failures. Back in the day we all lokrd upgrades like. target hammer/trigger and all smiths could do that for ya. So what we got is the SOS, no craftsmen/women but parts swap and don't worry it will fit ..... Code 4. It will work good enough but no tweaks or bam voided warranty. Well this is how I feel. Mice well get a Ruger and take pride that it will never break, despite they got the hablndling properties of a brick but with Ruger it's honest good and I like that.

[@josephruiz7233]

It's the best Revolver from S&W Right now. Gotta love both the original and the new "Classic". Either one is worth it.

[@jeffhreid]

Sleeved barrel, not pinned & recessed no rosewood stocks. I’ll keep my 19-4 thanks. Does the new one have “the lock” too? Yuck yep. I saw the stupid lock. What a hot mess. Great video though.

[@jeffhreid]

Yeah and the transfer bar firing pin. Metal injection molding parts. Plus the blueing and polish aren’t nearly up to snuff. The flats are rounded off all over. Just don’t like the new ones.

[@savage7992]

Mr Hickok Is it California compliant?? Lol but for real, can I get it in California? Btw I can watch your videos all day long. Thank you and god bless you.

[@guyincognito2506]

So much nostalgia. After I was taught about firearms and how to shoot them with a 10/22 and a Mark II around the age of 8, I graduated to a Model 19. I still have a special place in my heart for .38 special and .357 magnum and of course the model 19. It was a perfect progression for me. Flat, accurate shooter and controlable magnum fun at a young age got me hooked.

[@troydixon4425]

My bad I forget that I'm gotta a Rossi and never dream of shooting anything else hell I seen that video early one Sunday morning um yeah sometimes folks realize they never trying or think of someone else's pistol ever

[@nobodysreview6137]

Thank you for speaking about the mim parts, Seems like most reviewers sweep that stuff under the rug, funny thing is by now it seems like the mim is really good.

[@Oilman455]

Just look at the Grips alone to compare the craftsmanship of the old compared to the new. I've bought new Smith's but was unimpressed comparing them to the quality of my older ones.

[@TheGunfighter45acp]

The only thing better than a S&W model 19 is two of them!

[@thugglyfeog8382]

Thats what I'm talkin bout brother👊💯👊

[@jimmysapien9961]

I have the real classic 👍🏻 great video

[@paulozagui9360]

A 586 model is cool either!

[@SverreMyrsethWang]

Prefer the 66, but yes..

[@charlesmccoy5857]

Yes! A 4" and a 2 1/2", then you have to get a matching pair of 66's It just never ends!

[@exploringhistory5796]

Hickok45, take a look at the re-issue 586 Classic. I purchased it over the 19 Classic because I prefer its full underlug barrel and square-butt frame. My only complaint is the Altamont grips that S&W uses (poor fit at the backstrap). As for the lock...I don’t even notice them anymore. I own old and new S&W’s and have never had an issue with the new stuff. Good review!

[@andyostertag]

Good stuff. Thanks again Sr & Jr Hickock

[@Jddvs]

“Classic” is simply a marketing term that is employed to draw in those that are wanting a old school revolver . Those buyers are likely young and don’t have the knowledge or experience to know the differences. Perhaps the buyers feel that these “classic” revolvers will have future collector value. I think that videos like this will educate those that have taken the time to view them.

[@seapimpnh.9307]

dvs1145 actually if you do your research the new ones are made a lot better than the old ones . Though they don’t have the quality of the bluing and they do have the lock ,but really think people make way to big a deal out of it . It’s there and it isn’t going any where.

[@iaxford]

Are you implying that new S&W revolvers aren't quality or worth buying?

[@shockwave6416]

@@iaxford yes

[@Pelleministeri]

9:44 Nice echo!! Kinda spooky but still groovy.

[@downunderrob]

It was really nice!😆

[@theblackberets3379]

I don't think that's an echo, just the steel ringing.

[@downunderrob]

@@theblackberets3379 Quite true, but still an engaging sound.

[@theblackberets3379]

@@downunderrob Indubitably.

[@gupspad401]

Bought my model 19-3 at Big 5 in 1975, $167.50. I was 21 years old, and this was my very first handgun. This gun got me into reloading, put thousands of rounds through it. I have bought and sold dozens of guns since, but managed to hold on to the 19. With the current severe ammo shortage, I have rediscovered the joy of shooting this great gun with my target handloads! All shooting double action these days, makes for a good house gun.

[@bigron26048]

The S&W model 19 was my very first handgun too!

[@ezc6977]

I was 22 . Model 19 bot in 1976 .still have it.

[@Binko63]

I will never buy a built in lock Smith period.

[@sunkist3575]

I found and bought a Mod 19-3 4" in a Pawn shop today. It is pinned and recessed and doesn't appear to have ever been fired. Seriously! Pinned and Recessed for $569. I can't not shoot it. I was 20 -23 yrs old when it was made. It came from a collector's family after he passed and I doubt the store or the family knew its value. I had an Ahrends Retro Target grip for it and I'm in hog heaven. I guess even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while :o)

[@JeffinTD]

The older smiths are elegant, however as I understand it the ejector shaft’s new D shape is much more durable than the old two little pins and track, the frame mounted firing pin is also said to be more reliable, and moving the front lock from the end of the extractor shaft to the yoke prevents a bent shaft from locking up the revolver. Ratchet is also said to be improved. Bottom line, I prefer the originals, but if I had to bet which one would handle 5000 full power loads without going out of time or other problems, I’d bet on the -8.

[@danielursum5575]

Bought my model 19 (Combat Magnum) new in 1972 with some fur money for $145.00. Wanted something convenient to carry while still on the trap line during deer season. Still have it.

[@channelcatchaser9426]

Cheapened Imposter of the classic

[@elblancobasura]

Sort or reminds me of Caucasian juvenile delinquents with their pants around their ankles and blathering mook speak. Imposters. Ain't nothing like the real thing, baby!

[@josephruiz7233]

@Benjamin Maynard: EXACTLY! S&W Owners ALWAYS complained about the Model 19 being vulnerable to cracked forcing cones if you fed it a more consistent diet of .357 Magnum. The new Model 19 has a stronger lock-up and stronger forcing cone......better for .357 Magnums on a more consistent basis.

[@lindanelson8400]

I'll show my age a little here, but when it comes to my S&W revolvers I'll choose the original models every time. The sleeved barrel of the new "classic" is one of many things I don't care for. I'm not worried about the forcing cone difference, I shoot .38 special in my old 19, when I feel like shooting .357 mag I'll take my model 28 highway patrolman to the range, or sometimes my model 27. The "N" frame is more comfortable with full power .357 loads.

[@ElainesDomain]

My 19-4 4'' barrel jumps with the .357. Gotta hold on tight. My 28-2 Highway Patrolman 6'' barrel is a dream. I won't part with either of them.

[@lindanelson8400]

@@ElainesDomain Hello, I rarely shoot the 19, or 27. They're both nearly mint condition. I've got the 28 (highway patrolman) which was a police trade in my dad got from an Iowa highway patrol friend of his many years ago. It's definitely been carried a lot with the holster wear to prove it, but mechanically it's like new.

[@ElainesDomain]

@@lindanelson8400 A cop pal gave us his Highway Patrolman. 6'' barrel. Lots of wear and a tack driver. Take yours out and let others see what you can do with these old guns of yours. It will make you smile.

[@lindanelson8400]

@@ElainesDomain Mine is a 6 inch barrel also. It is absolutely a tack driver. I don't know if it affects the value of the gun or not, but it has the initials I.S.P. stamped into the frame. I think it's just the history of the gun. I'll never sell it, or any other guns that were my father's.

[@ElainesDomain]

@@lindanelson8400 I read your posts to my wife. She said that you sound like her. You sorta do. The reason I told you about taking your guns to the range is because in my small county the Sheriff Dept and the local cops hold gun safety and training classes throughout the year. Bring your gun and ammo and they bring the rest. Wifey takes her 28-2 and 158 grain .357. there's around 25 women and a dozen sheriff deputies and cops. Most brought 9 MM and a couple of 380's. After instruction the women break out their guns and start shooting. Pew pew pew pew BOOM silence BOOM. A cop yells out ''What the heck is that''? All of the cops go take a look and see a lil 5'3'' old lady holding her Highway Patrolman. The Sheriff said he used to carry one and a detective said he had a Colt Python that she had to try. Now then. Doesn't that make you smile?

[@ToreDL87]

The Classic doesnt have the same nice, pronounced bluing, on any of the parts. There are scored marks from machining on the frame too. Add to that the silly lock, hammer spur etc. Meh... Not a fan.

[@lindageere5254]

YES I love the originals. I have one of the new guns and it is superb and I love it. The trigger lock is silly but go ahead and blame the anti 2A people. Smith and Wesson dis a GREAT job. QED

[@elblancobasura]

I'll blame Smith and Wesson. LOL

[@follkiej]

Your shooting with the pistols always impresses me. That 2 liter and gong shot with that little gun! Very cool!

[@jasondotj]

I inherited a 19-3 model from my grandfather. I believe by researching the serial number it was from 1972. It's a beautiful piece and I'm happy to have it!

[@pmchamlee]

My 19-5 has been as faithful as my Last 3 Labrador Retrievers (just not as smart or well trained ;)

[@BrittWarden]

Got my 19 from my dad. He got it when he was a LEO in late 50's. Finest firearm I own.

[@curtislynch8189]

I’d rather have a new one. I wasn’t around when that 19-3 was made and I don’t like dealing with the gun show crowd. It’s the sentimentality that makes you not like the “classic.”

[@saleembaba5144]

My dads 19 was the first gun I ever shot. Absolute classic!

[@walters6628]

Good video. I agree with your comments. I have several S&W revolvers from the 60’s and 70’s. The golden generation of revolvers.

[@johnnix4370]

I’d rather have the old 19. Don’t care for the lock

[@pittss2c601]

When I hold the classic out in front of me while shooting I can't see the lock

[@st3phenJC]

The bullets go where Hickok tells them to go! Pretty good group on the cowboy for just messing around! I’m not super old but I’ve started to appreciate wood furniture and older models more lately. Polymer is functional but has no soul. Been loving wood furnished shotguns and revolvers lately. Great vid as usual!

[@al01100]

I don't like the key hole but that alone wouldn't stop me from buying that new 19. What does keep me from buying them is the EDM rifling. I bought a model 69 because the concept resulted in a very useful gun. Problems arose with lead bullets, which is what I load in most of my handgun ammo. The new rifling leads far worse than broach cut barrels. As I looked into it, I found many others were having the same problem with EDM barrels & lead bullets. I can het past the other negatives, not that 1 though

[@camojoe83]

Grooves are grooves.. On what mechanisms do you base your hypothesis?

[@876mpr]

I have a 25-15 and a 24-6 and shoot cast bullets exclusively and have never had any leading issues. I bought the 25-15 new, ran one box of jacketed stuff through it and it’s been perfect.

[@vtbrian3252]

They use boring to make the riflings

[@876mpr]

In my experience leading occurs when you try to push bevel base bullets much over 900 fps or an overly hard alloy is used.

[@greenman7126]

I would buy the new gun but, here in UK revolvers must be a minimum of 24 inches overall ie a long barrel and metal rod extending rearward from the handle. Totally ruining the looks!

[@arshooter1]

Give me the old style Smiths.

[@georgebatson4712]

I have a 19-4 I bought in 1978 new and paid 125 dollars for it. Knowing what I know now I wish I had bought 5 of them. Great shooter.

[@stever8776]

For the price, just buy a pinned and recessed model 19!!👍 Has anyone done a high round test of the new guns with MIM parts? With CNC machines you think they could figure it out.

[@NGMonocrom]

Look at those gorgeous grips on the Original. What is that on the newer version? Plywood?! Okay, it looks like Zebra wood to me. Somewhat good-looking but not as good as on those of the Original.

[@ironmonkey1512]

looks like turkish walnut which comes at a premium

[@coreyhattenstein]

I would love to meet one person who uses those key locks on their guns. Useless in the middle of the night. Still a sexy looking gun.

[@FCV0511]

If S&W would just give us the option not to have that damned internal lock on their new revolvers I'd have no qualms with picking any of them up.

[@pittss2c601]

When I hold the revolver out in front of me while shooting I can't see the lock

[@AdrienDougere]

Best gun channel on KZbin, following You for 6 years, cheers from France

[@jrmcferren]

Could you compare the Model 10 Classic to some of the older versions? Would it be possible compare both your 50s version and a newer one from the 80s or sot to the new one?

[@tallica4life81]

I will say that model 19, blued, with wood handles, is a wet dream for me.

[@iaxford]

The complaints about the key lock is purely aesthetic right? Is kind of like a purist thing right? I've got a 586 from 2012 I think and it's got one but I love it

[@pauldascenz5356]

The New K Frame has a built in Hammer Lock! And internal firing pin. I prefer the older model 19.

[@roberth4688]

Paul D'Ascenz and a two piece sleeved barrel. And a different and stronger forcing cone and crane locking.

[@ShootAUT]

Wow. Seeing them side by side on the table, the old classic makes the new "classic" look like a cheaply produced overpriced knock-off. I never realized how big the difference actually is, until now. 😐 Mr. Hickok, thank you for this video, but I don't think you've done S&W a favor. 😅

[@porkfatrulz9337]

A lot o folks are hoping for a Colt Python to come out again. I’m afraid we’ll be disappointed for the same reasons. Cost of production relates to MSRP. And the skill level of the old ‘smiths would be hard to find these days.

[@samsmith5556]

@@porkfatrulz9337 well two years latee

[@samsmith5556]

Two years later.. The pythons are here.. And yes they suck

[@josephruiz7233]

@@samsmith5556 They're pretty good.

[@dyl_pickle16-mta48]

The signature revolver used by Daisuke Jigen.

[@FishFind3000]

I wouldn’t get it as it’s got the not so classic frame lock.

[@ravin747]

I have a mod 19 and a mod 29 from the 70s They are great and mint Condition

[@michaelsix9684]

you are so lucky, they're hard to find now

[@ravin747]

@@michaelsix9684 thank you , I do appreciate them

[@ryanwalters9412]

Great video. My dad was an NOPD officer in the 80's and this was his duty gun. He recently passed and left it to me. Is a beautiful piece of hardware that will be passed down.

[@JustinLaFleur1990]

7:38 I found a 4 inch 19-3 at my local gun shop for a steal of a price under $700 and it's in great shape.

[@VinnieRed71]

Just watched this vid while cleaning my freshly soiled model 19-5. I have no experience with new ones but the older ones are perfection! Thanks Hickok, and Happy New Year!

[@michaellittle1930]

Great video and very informative........ I'm a long time viewer and have really enjoyed your videos over the years. Thanks!

[@nate_thealbatross]

The grips on the old one are gorgeous. The new grips look nice, but no comparison.

[@joshuagargalione378]

I love my model 19 I found one in a pawn shop. The previous owner did a trigger job on it but I was getting light primer strikes so I had to put a new hammer spring in there. They run like a clock just don't shoot 125 grain Magnums through it like Hickok said the forcing cone can crack. Stick with 158 grain and you'll be fine.

[@jjcuna]

Python

[@jerryw6699]

Great looking, but the S&W works better.

[@justrussian3117]

A E S T H E T I C

[@mmartinez4134]

Hmmm looks like they took a ruger idea and put it on theirs? Well it's not like S&W hasn't infringed on other gun designs and patents. Use to love the 686 carried one for duty for years. But S&W customer service and quality control went to the dogs.

[@MrFialdark]

😎 Mod 10 / 38 and 19 / 357 😎 👍👍👍

[@ravin747]

With the invent of CNC machinery, hand work is out the window

[@richardjohnson4238]

I'm a long time Model 19 fan. My first handgun was a Model 19 and I've probably owned a dozen or more over the years. I've got two now. A 19-1 and a 19-9. The -9 is a worthy successor to the older guns.

[@cbroz7492]

...my dad had a 19 'Combat Magnum' that he sold prior to moving here to FL in 1979...some 1D10 T told him the gun laws here were worse than in NJ...I found a 19-3 a fee.moths ago and traded my Soviet SKS for it...hated to l8se that SKS but wanted the 19 more...

[@41-Rem-Magnum]

If given a choice, I would still choose the early 70's over the 2018. I truly love the thicker hand grips on the older Smith's. Just my preference....

[@blakedavis2447]

You know you can swap the grips out right ?

[@41-Rem-Magnum]

@@blakedavis2447 Well of course...but I still prefer the earlier editions.

[@blakedavis2447]

@@41-Rem-Magnum yes but you made it seem like the very easily replaced grips were the main reason you liked them more

[@41-Rem-Magnum]

@@blakedavis2447 ....Oh no, my apologies for not being clear. I'm just a fan of older models....

[@blakedavis2447]

@@41-Rem-Magnum no I agree the older ones are better, I’ve shot a model 15 from 1970 and a newer model 10 and I prefer the 15 hands down these new ones are just lifeless

[@libertatusinperpetuum2046]

"Classic?" With a Bill and Hillary Clinton gun-lock? No thanks.

[@Mrmikemike46]

@@williamkeith8944 What does the lock supposed to do?

[@Spurdospaerde692]

@@Mrmikemike46 It's to keep children safe in case they get hold of and start playing with your gun. But if you leave your gun unsupervised, then You Are Doing It Wrong to begin with. And when you don't need to keep your gun at the ready, then you have it locked in a gun safe anyway. And if you have it out of your gun safe but the key lock engaged, then it's not at the ready and might as well have been in the gun safe. All in all, the key lock seems rather pointless, and I don't know of any legislation that requires it. But I don't get why some say they refuse to buy a gun with a key lock. Just don't use the pointless feature, and it's like any other gun. Has there ever been a single case of inadvertent locking by itself? I also don't get why some object to a sleeved barrel. Are there any disadvantages with that? I can only think of advantages. Speak up, guys! Sure, I understand the objections against new-fangled stuff on this particular "classic", but in general?

[@jcapicy]

My 19-3 4" .357 has the best single action trigger I have ever felt on a firearm! Love it. Granted it doesn't see many .357's, ir does see a few 38spl's a year. Love it!

[@heroinmom153]

I completely agree! My dad was a cop, and left me his 19-3 from the 70's before the department switched to semi in the mid nineties. It's my favorite revolver, and the trigger pull, even in double action, is beautifully smooth, the best of any revolver I own.

[@3wheelmannc860]

I just bought a Smith & Wesson Victory Performance Center w/ CF barrel. It was a total failure/disappointment and had to be sent back to S&W. Getting 300 rounds through it was a nightmare... I was never able to get more then two rounds to fire with a jam of some sort or failure to eject and multiple varieties of ammo was used. SHAME on S&W for letting this pistol to come off you line. Still waiting to see if they can fix that over priced paper weight. I understand everyone can have a bad gun off the line, but this is a Performance Center version...no excuse.

[@vtbrian3252]

There's a break in period, but I'm sure they will fix it. Friend of mine sent his Ruger back 3 times

[@gilbertosuna5496]

That 2002 may be named The Classic, but the 19-3 is dripping with ELEGANCE. Having the 2 1/2" 4" 6" 19-3 All manufactured in 1972 the Year of my eldest Daughter I have it all covered.

[@tierone4761]

Gilbert Osuna Yes those 19’s are great! I actually took a 6” Model 19-4 & changed the barrel to a 2 1/2” so I could have a 2 1/2” with a square grip butt. The original 2 1/2” has the round butt grip as you know. Good Day to You!

[@gilbertosuna5496]

TIER ONE That was a Great idea 💡 LOVE S&W Revolvers and they will NOT FAIL

[@KDD0063]

That new wood is some of the ugliest wood I've seen

[@wayneparker9331]

I had exactly the same reaction. Sitting next to the older gun and seeing the older wood in comparison, you could really see how ugly it is.

[@pittss2c601]

As they say, wood is for looking, rubber is for shooting.

[@bryansimmons4550]

My original Model 19 went through the police academy with me in 1981, and then rode my hip for several years afterwards before I changed to Model 66 due to Louisiana's climate. Both of them "got away" from me over the years, but I am the proud new owner of a 19-4 again. I never once considered buying one of those Model 19 "Classics." Like you, I find them "atrocious." I'm an old school guy, and simply calling a new gun a "Classic" does not make it a classic. My old true classics served me well, and you are right that S&W can't build the old quality guns at a price most people can afford. Honestly, most people aren't going to shoot a lot of .357's in a K frame revolver. The L- and N-frames are much more suitable for that. Most people will shoot .38's in their 19's and then load them with .357 for the potential of having to use the gun for social purposes. Forget the idea that the new gun might be "stronger." In real life that's not a factor.

[@johnharvey892]

The one thing that you left out... And it surely is not everybody's cup of tea... Is reloading the round. A lot of people get intimidated by a Magnum round. But in the 357 format... You can change that scary recoil. You just reload with a lesser powder charge. It allows a new shooter to get used to the feel of the handgun. It gives a new shooter confidence... So they are not flinching because of the recoil. That's one thing you can do with a revolver that you can't do with a semi-auto. I got my wife use to the 357....by reloading rounds that were probably around the 22 caliber range. It gave her confidence before we moved up to 38... Then 38 special..and 38 + p. She has not shot a hot and heavy load yet. But when it comes time for that 158 grain... I think she can handle it. Build confidence and technique... Everything else should fall into place.

[@billhutchens9666]

had a model 19 classic saved in my cart at bud's, watched this video and changed my mind. bought a 19-5 yesterday. love your videos even if you are soft on colt

[@johnspink6557]

I agree with you Hickok. I would never buy that so-called Model 19 “Classic” what a joke. I bought my 19-4 in 1975. I carried it at times as a patrolman in Philly. Due to holster wear I sent it back to S&W and had it re-blued, simply beautiful, A REAL CLASSIC. They inspected and replaced any worn parts. I love it.

[@guaporeturns9472]

Why would say it’s a joke?

[@99dsm1]

Kinda impossible, 19-4 came out in 77

[@guaporeturns9472]

@@johnspink6557 -4 came out in 77 so yeah , the only joke around here seems to be you

[@guaporeturns9472]

@@johnspink6557 19-4 in 75 huh? 🤣 Sounds kinda like the only joke about here is you.

[@roboadvisor3598]

Buy the new one. Support S&W

[@sonnygunz9207]

I hate to say I wouldn’t ever buy a “Classic” but I spend my money on the old ones for now. I wouldn’t mind a “classic” model 36 to carry but I don’t think they’re making them anymore...

[@IAmBeowulf701]

I'm literally picking up an old 13 from my FFL today. I'm a young guy but I absolutely refuse to purchase a newer Smith because of the changes. I would be happy to pay extra for a new one if it were identical to the early pinned and recessed models but with modern materials.

[@stever8776]

Great gun with history. The S&W model 13 with a 3" barrel was the last revolver issued to FBI Agents👍

[@IAmBeowulf701]

@@stever8776 Personal history too. My dad used to work for the sheriff and he carried a model 13 with a 4" barrel while on duty. Everyone else made fun of him for carrying a cannon too.

[@stever8776]

@@IAmBeowulf701 Your dad was a wise man and well armed! '94 Winchesters in 30-30 were once commonly carried in patrol car trunks as a backup to revolvers and shotguns. The noted Vietnam Vet, Law Enforcement officer and instructor said ' The worst wound I ever saw in a gunfight was a single head shot on the bad guy, was caused by a Deputy with a 30-30' He said the guy's head practically exploded! Model 13 and '94 in your car's trunk is still a viable option. Cheers

[@elblancobasura]

I had an opportunity about three years ago to take a 4" out of a pawn shop for $350.00 in 80% condition and I waited too long. I could kick myself for passing .

[@mkshffr4936]

I have seen some detailed inspections and it looks to me like the new one is actually improved in almost every regard except for the lock. So I need to find out more of the specifics of how the lock works to determine how bad it really is. I know the early lock guns had issues with locking themselves at inopportune moments but I haven't heard anything like that in many years. If the lock is really not a reliability issue I could really learn to love the classic.

[@guaporeturns9472]

Can easily be disabled/deleted

[@jerryjohnsonii4181]

Love me some revolvers. Hickok45 still kick butt with a revolver. 357 magnum is my favorite handgun round. Hickok45 for life !!!!!!!!

[@chuck5746]

i hate myself for calling s&w soft and wet

[@125saito]

I'd really like to see a video on the S&W Model 25 Classic.

[@wayneparker9331]

Ditto. Especially the Model 25-5 chambered in .45 Colt.