S03EP01: The Cathars Revisited

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Cathar researcher Christopher Groucutt gives his understanding of the Cathar spiritual grouping prevalent across southern Europe between 11th - 13th century. He discusses the philosophy of the Cathar movement and how this led to their ultimate downfall at the hands of the Catholic church.

[@edwardhanson3664]

Thanks for discussing the love, peace, and beauty of these persecuted people. It serves to emphasize the evil of the Catholic intentions.

[@kathymichaels2108]

I never knew why I was so interested in the Gnostics until a reading told me that my spirit guides are Cathars...explains so much..

[@johnnynorfolk1]

Thank you and bless you for sharing some of the life of 'The Good People'! May they reign again! : )

[@ClariceAust]

Thanks for posting this information on the interesting Cathars.

[@EmpressOmni1]

Enchanting episode. Thank you.

[@PatrickAsti]

This was a great interview full of good accurate and interesting information on the Cathars. I am interested in there relationship to the Nazarene's and Coptic Christians. There is a Ley Line I have discovered that runs from Amman Jordan to a neolithic city near Stone Henge, It runs exactly through Mt. Carmel in Israel and the now submerged neolithic site Atlit Yam near Mt. Carmel which was a large stone site used to predict the movement of the Sun , Moon and Stars, much like Stone Henge. The Ley line continues North through the Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun making its way through several sacred sites in France near where Cathars lived. I believe the Cathars understood ley lines and when you look at the etymology of Coptic, Gnostic and Celtic the ley line ties these traditions together. I also have been thinking about the similarity between Cathy the Latin word for China and Cathar. Ley lines are places where Heaven and Earth touch this would in my opinion influence the area Cathars would have chosen to live. I should mention that Tesla's birth place is very near the Ley Line line as is the location of WWI Christmas soccer game between the Allies and the Germans. For those not familiar with Mt. Carmel it is the location of the School of the Prophets seven miles from Nazareth and where Jesus lived and was educated. It is my belief that advanced souls have been born and reborn on or near this ley line for many thousands of years and the Cathars knew much more about this than we have yet discovered. We are currently looking for evidence that Maria Madalena visited the area near the Bosnian Pyramids.

[@CaptainOfTheLostWaves]

Often it is only by retracing our steps, and looking back, that we align with the greatest of truths, in order that we move forward...I shall find you in my heart as I in yours as we traverse the cosmic skies and seas of a new galaxy...🐳

[@garyoshea4068]

the gnostic gospel of Thomas , these people follow the same as what I read . they understood that we are all one , we have love in us we are spirits that live forever, with everything. jesus spoke like this , but the direction of his teachings where tainted by mans greed and ego. thank you for this video , I enjoyed .

[@user-ht4gb2fw4e]

Catharism survives in Catalunya. They have a chapel there.

[@kathymichaels2108]

Do you know where it is?

[@tetecrsitina2000]

Wonderfull Chat! Thank you

[@asunder6797]

Hearing about the Cathars years ago instantaneously overwrote all the teaching I learned in a minister's family without any internal objection; that has never changed and never requires my defense.

[@jsmith3980]

Nothing much changed with the Catholic Church then?

[@simazar]

I'm interested to know what the Cathars really believed and how much is reverse projection of what is desirable to us now. It's really an open question, I don't know. Interested to know the deeper sources on this.

[@danaeshaw]

Please see Cathar.org. They exist again.

[@jsmith3980]

Thank you for posting.

[@lavette916]

If you pull it back to the Greek alphabet alpha beta GAMMA delta where the G was replaced by the C when the Latins A B C D took over a Cathar is a Gatherer .. reminds me of 6 day man the Hunters and The Gatherers ! The meat eaters and the vegetarians the gatherers .. not one group but two different peoples ... seems the hunters have been hunting the gatherers ever since ! But were back ! and we Cathars are gathering on KZbin ! Thanks for the video!

[@JC-es5un]

Cathars know that they are Cathars. From my own dreams I know that Horus has taken his seat in the East, and he can see what the Catholics have done to us. Justice will prevail for the good people.

[@BrendaPeddigrew]

this is wonderful! I am lit within by these words...

[@artofcelebration]

wonderful , the inner voice exists and even though people like John Lennon, Martin Luther King, Osho were distinguished , they exist in our hearts

[@jsmith3980]

What do you mean by ' were distinguished '?

[@hannahjones8992]

I think he means, extinguished!

[@danaeshaw]

The Laurel has blossomed and turned green after 700 years. The Cathars do exist again. You can look at cathar.org. There is also a new community forming in Kansas City, Kansas. The first in America. This man does understand who the Cathars are and the history.

[@kilowhiskeyalpha6078]

Excellent and informative chat however the laurel in this context is a crown (plume) representing wisdom or specifically the greening a maturing of gnosis.

[@museumoflosttime9718]

I very good point.

[@brendantannam499]

I'm reading a wonderful book at the moment that researches Cathar thought in Dante's Divine Comedy. The title is Liberta Va Cercando, written by Maria Soresina. The title comes from Virgil's explanation of Dante's presence in Purgatory to Cato, who would have understood the importance of freedom more than anyone. The book is only published in Italian so I'm translating it into English for whoever might have an interest in it. It's on KZbin under the name He Goes In Search Of Freedom.

[@hannahjones8992]

A very interesting talk, thank you. I've only recently come to know of them seriously, but what you say about them fits my own psyche and whole relationship with life. Thank you🙏🙏💖💖

[@Mika-El-]

I wrote you under your comment at John Loyd video 😌

[@hannahjones8992]

@@Mika-El- I have only just seen this response from you🙏🏻 but never did receive anything previously, so not quite sure what to make of your comment🤔🙏🏻💖💖

[@Mika-El-]

@@hannahjones8992 🙊 I saw your comment in the section to the interview with John Loyd and wrote you this: "Hi friend, Have you heard the version of Lo Boièr by Patrick Lenk? In the commentary section you find us talking about meeting in the Languedoc next year. If it speaks to you, send me a email and I tell you more 🙏🕊️ Mikael"

[@hannahjones8992]

@@Mika-El- I have heard the Patrick Lenk version of this piece, its very moving, and after listening to it the first time, I had visionary flash backs of being among the Cathars, as one of them, though had never thought of any such thing, and had barely even heard of them previously🙏🏻It roused my interest in fact and I have since learned and realize more about them, and about my own previous life history🙏🏻🙏🏻💖💖

[@Mika-El-]

@@hannahjones8992 That is beautiful to hear, thank you for telling. For some reason I do not get notifications sometimes when I get answer in these threads, so bear with be if you do not get answer. Have you heard about Arthur Guirdham? I recommend his book 'We are one another'. Best regards

[@edwardhanson3664]

Catharism grew out of the Church of Love that Mary Magdalene brought to France after the crucifixion. Their practices are almost identical to the order of the Essenes (Nazareans) from which both Jesus and Mary came.

[@Mika-El-]

Yes, here we have the truest comment in the section. Thank you sir.

[@tessjones5987]

I have relatives that are in the Catholic Clergy. The woman are slaves nun=none. The whole ecomomy is based on this slave labor. They work 90 hour/weeks and have a vow of poverty. They did not want equality of the sexes and the ablitity to commune with God without going to a male priest who did not work. Priest live a much affluent life.

[@bluemoonmuse]

If your view is different, KatharAtlantean, what sources do you have that say differently? What would you add or dispute of this academic understanding? He was very clear that this was only his personal perspective, implying that there is more than one interpretation of existing sources.

[@AJC87HOCKEY]

I love that Hymn something about it i can't place i just love it Waco was in way's the same the Gov/church decides what people will practice and if you don't agree with them they burn you at the stake or send the Army to your door steep. There's nothing new under the Sun .Same things the Cathars dealt with we are dealing with to this day i guess we don't learn from our history books know do we. Like he said there is very little record of the Cathars weather what he is saying is fact or not that's up to the viewer to decide he sound's genuine to me the Cathars always interest me always will

[@randolphstephenson]

Cathars. Sojourners from the Essenes 🙏😇 On their way back home.

[@jsmith3980]

I think i'm a cathar!xx

[@leovandijk2619]

I Macedonia there is village call " Bogomila " a prist call "Bogomil " the name meanig dear to God. They established strong movement wich spread throughout Balkans. King Samoil of Macedonia tolerate there movement , king Samoil ask the Byzantine Empire to recognise him as king, after decades of war he was offered a crown from Vatican. Soon after he was ask to stop the Bogomils, he didn't want to start a war, but he ask them to leave his kingdom? Soon after Byzantine attack and he lost his kids kingdom!!!!!! Becoming stay in the mountains region of today Bosnia. They stay till the arrival of the Turkish occupation, some move nord in Europe the one who stayed slowly except Islam. The village of Bogomila still exist now in Macedonia.

[@edwardhanson3664]

Would like to know something about your interviewer.

[@bytwyzz]

ARCH KONS.........goodbye churchies

[@villaselva]

are you aware there are people like this here now?

[@danaeshaw]

Yes, see cathar.org. They also have started a new community in Kansas City

[@tonycoope4052]

Yes, all over the world, but with different 'labels', in small groups, organisations. One of the most available is known as Siddha Yoga, which is an authentic path to enlightenment, based on the understandings of Advaita Vedanta (non-dualism) and Kashmir Shaivism. Yes, Eastern Mysticism, Sheila!. It shares a remarkable number of features overlapping with those of Catharism, self-enquiry, reflection and contemplation, meditation, healing, chanting. In Siddha Yoga, the practices of Shaktipat Diksha and the Consolamentum, also Darshan and the Melioramentum, seem to be absolute equivalents. So is the aim,- in the one it was to become 'perfected', a bonhomme- a good man or woman. In the other it is to become established in the full awareness of the (Higher) Self. The intended outcome? The same, enlightenment or Siddhahood, with all that implies for oneself and all humanity. Have a good browse around www.siddhayoga.org; it could change your life, - it certainly changed mine, and is still.

[@jsmith3980]

Sounds like Eastern mysticism to me.

[@jsmith3980]

Gnosis

[@captal6187]

Sheila jacklin what is the prob of Eastern Mysticism?

[@Mika-El-]

Truth is truth.

[@KatharAtlantean]

This is the standard academic reading of the Cathars...in other words, clueless.

[@kilowhiskeyalpha6078]

You are right however the sentiment is honest.

[@PhalseProfit13]

this guys speech is really strange and annoying, he can barely spit out his words, why is there many English with such speech impediments?

[@eelkrik669]

pull that pickle out of your bumhole. then you will feel better.