Discussion | We have to learn to offload our baggage: Moeletsi Mbeki

The Chairperson of The South African Institute of International Affairs, Moeletsi Mbeki says the DA is correct that there has to be proportionality in the allocation of the cabinet seats in the Gauteng's legislature. This after the DA showed discontentment with the ANC's decision to give the party three seats out of ten and keep six seats and the premier. The DA says there should be proportionality as the ANC does not have the outright majority in the province. The party says the election results between the ANC and the DA are not too different.
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[@ShawnRademeyer]

Moeletsi always comes across as a smart, principled person.

[@avrilmemela9392]

My cat is also smart...😂😂

[@hgfku-tn6hb]

Moeletsi Mbeki went straight to the point without wasting time. ANC is displaying greediness

[@dilochetty9332]

Anc is stil trying to control tenders and money..simple

[@AIRview2]

Follow the corruption road.....embedded in the Dna

[@happytape307]

ANC will be official opposition from 2029.

[@happytape307]

@DumaM-ir7rk Malema hates diversity too much to be president of South Africa. If that ever happens we will pay 20 million rand for a loaf of bread.

[@urbannet1392]

Smoking Nyaope

[@happytape307]

@@urbannet1392 by God's grace, I don't smoke that trash.

[@Jadamema28]

@@happytape307 definitely if they keep up this madness going with DA 2026 and 2029 they will go down atleast Panyaza realizes that

[@happytape307]

@@Jadamema28 they are really on a knife's edge hey. I think either way they will be damned. Had they sided with a radical party, all investors and businesses would withdraw sending inflation to record highs, similar to what happened in Zim. May sanity prevail. DA is the best of governing overall, even though it has a few areas needing focus, like uplifting the poor, working with communities, trust-building, etc. Either way, the ANC is without principle and in Self-preservation mode again, making emotional decisions without being convincing enough.

[@AapVanDieKaap]

Mr. Mbeki's insights never disappoint. I love how he is always on the edge of laughing. It is indeed funny in a macabre way how much effort we waste on our prejudices, but it's also completely understandable given our history. I think GNU is great, we've had 30 years to adjust. Now it's time to grow up, stop squabbling now and get this economy moving. I just hope it doesn't take us 30 years to grow up because that is a real possibility.

[@christinanxumalo6811]

We don't want to die before the reality of our country fully unfolds, right?

[@stevedaniel5603]

Can’t think anyone I’ve ever met, seen or heard of that has lived to see 120 years, 400 !! Wow !!! I do know and have personally experienced serious discrimination based on my skin color in the past 30 years.

[@avrilmemela9392]

The seeds of apartheid forefathers, have come to fruition... 50 million South Africans....can relate...

[@Phillip-oo2ft]

You also white?

[@SOGUDJWANKOSI]

Parliament should not be treated like a battle field of time wasting speaches.

[@johanpotgieter5949]

With DUE RESPECT Mr. Mbeki, the ANC is SIMPLY ARROGANT, don't make excuses for the ANC!!!!!!!

[@mamasmosoathu1364]

😂😂 Spare seats for those parties that might decide to join GNU. That's what I think it would add value... Let it not be difficult for other parties to join.. Isn't it fair...😅

[@mthokozisilanga4497]

You forget the arrogancy of the DA, it even displays to its Moonshot partners where the ANC is not even part of their municipal coalition. The DA is the racist arrogancy personified, whilst the ANC is protecting its loot, because it cannot function without corruption

[@stevenmoodley4699]

👍 well said Mr Mbeki

[@ShawnRademeyer]

Mr Mbeki, the problem is that those who claim to represent the poor like the EFF, MK, Cosatu, and SACP don't actually serve them well and in most cases are only there for their own enrichment. Their policies are also counterproductive to actual upliftment without suppressing or disenfranchising others. Envy and racism are both sins.

[@Wildcatofeastafrica]

ANC and DA?

[@aviwedasha2599]

What is wrong about building state owned bank What is wrong about our country owns it's own minerals What is wrong about our country own it's land What is wrong about our country to own rerseve bank Why these mine owners not building factories where our minerals can be processed her so that people can get jobs

[@ShawnRademeyer]

@aviwedasha2599 What is wrong? When you say country owns, you mean the government owns everything. Would you be happy if, in 20 years' time, there is a white government that owns all this stuff? You are describing North Korea, and most South Africans don't want that. That's why EFF and MK only got 25% of the vote.

[@Wildcatofeastafrica]

@@aviwedasha2599 hhawu kodwa sisi wam,currently we are failing to Run Metros,Local Municipalities,public hospitals,public schools name it…do you think we can be capable to run those things?

[@corinnevanjaarsveldt6087]

​@@aviwedasha2599nothing wrong of getting rid of paper money (debt) and maybe this is a way to go. But not taking peoples posessions away from them is questionable. Also blaming a dead cow apartheid who cannot produce any milk anymore

[@harley1450ification]

Always a pleasure to listen to this man. Hegemony is over for now. We need to find it within ourselves to work together. And we can.

[@mjlroux9998]

The President must act his role. Stop listening to the Cadres

[@imamshabiersathar8671]

We need younger and stronger police force and who can fight the criminals. New and stronger laws for criminals. We need honest people in the police force who can enforce the law and no bribery and corruption. Otherwise, the people shall govern themselves. Crime is the biggest setback for South Africa, and nobody is safe.

[@lavidaNOTA]

The market hegemony ended apartheid & forced a DA/ANC coalition… The hegemony is stronger than ever!

[@lwazimemela7123]

​@DumaM-ir7rk A very strange analysis . EFF / DA ?

[@mtetelelimrwetyana2002]

MK will be the official ruling party and ANC official opposition with DA number 4 after EFF and IFP will be history in 2029

[@biggiebig7602]

I agree with you 💯 in the afterlife

[@Phillip-oo2ft]

Put your weed away

[@mtetelelimrwetyana2002]

@@Phillip-oo2ft That's why you are what you are

[@MelVeeBroadcastingNetwork]

Yep, these are critical moments. This is a new era without nationalism as a key driver of reformation. The days of hegemony are gone, BUT the baggage of historic subjugation, manipulation and disenfranchisement are still determining political machinations and choice of language between predominantly white and black parties. These are exciting times in South Africa. The heartbeat of South Africa (Gauteng) is beating to a new tune.

[@mallorymoreton4245]

Love this man.

[@brucethackwell6686]

Yes a fundamental differance one is corrupt the other is honest

[@felicitymabudusha4761]

The white party is and was never corrupt!

[@juanitatolmay]

They will say they give you a lot of things but they never do

[@sbonelomadonsela3456]

One of the most incisefull anlysts ......does'nt mince his words

[@VIPSALONKTSHAVIPSALONKTSHA]

11:19 - 11:44 - Said reality. The poor have no voice😢

[@davidmabele6766]

It's true people will start forming their own parties according to Moeletsi Mbeki

[@ntsikelelomzayiya1503]

Consciousness left this Cde.

[@marysinclair3759]

I don't care how sensitive the ANC feels. Fair is fair. ANC's feelings are irrelevant.

[@user-pi6fs7ue7r]

They still want to rule most of the gnu the anc did not win an outright majority the country wants them to work togetherin all fairness pls get it right anc

[@H_tutor]

WMC forgot to bribe Panyaza. Now he is showing the DA flames 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂.

[@Phillip-oo2ft]

He is a racist and want to be president...a mk cader

[@andujarpain2629]

MK in KZN has the most votes, but ANC kicked them out of the government! Now, Mbeki is talking about baggage when the fact is that Guateng should have a ANC, MK and EFF government. DA got away with bullying Rhamaphosa because he stole 5 million dolalrs buried under his mattress.

[@khayanqaba6299]

DA is not bullying ANC anywhere because it was the ANC choice to work with the DA because the MK party does not want to work with anyone, and the EFF is the EFF. Lastly, it was 4 million under the mattress, not 5, and Ramaphosa didn't steal it. He hid it to avoid tax. Not defending him, just stating facts.

[@H_tutor]

​@@khayanqaba6299So just because it's 4 million then it makes it better 😂😂😂. Zuma warned you about the GNU. You will remember his words when you suffering because of the GNU.

[@mapitsithamaga-xn3oi]

Not FACT

[@modisamashishi216]

​@@khayanqaba6299Not factually correct...😮

[@khayanqaba6299]

@modisamashishi216 can you please enlighten me where I am wrong? I don't want to spread false news

[@oralminyi9826]

"South Africans have to look at one another not with grievance eyes..." Moeletsie Mbeki ( July 2024).

[@hilaireirankunda8769]

You also said something about makeup

[@newinfoglobe7864]

Who pays this guy to defend white monopoly capital?

[@cobuslombard8546]

This is a very wise guy listen to your elders

[@dududugwala1059]

27% n ANC 34% difference is only 7% DA contributes 39% in GPU/ GNU Therefore 11MEC (incl Premier) x 39% =4 MEC for DA. So argue with facts...khawume nge white monopoly capital😂

[@Phillip-oo2ft]

God's truth always hurt the wicked

[@samanthabhengu6127]

They have been involved yes yes yes yes yes the difference is that DA wasn't invited by all so aspect all to simpatico with all

[@RazoMarazo]

All the massagers to doomed us even more

[@hilaireirankunda8769]

To me when I hear about going forward and so forth.it’s about recommendations

[@plaatjiemashego2256]

uMkhonto We Sizwe Unemployed Ground Forces Our Vision: To make all unemployed regard and see the MK Party as their new political home. Our Mission: To recruit and mobilise all unemployed people in this country through targetted programs, projects and radically influencing policies in their best interests💚🖤

[@thabomashiane8265]

This is going to be the longest 5 years

[@Phillip-oo2ft]

And the anc cannot steal like before

[@user-fh3oc5ij3s]

SABC is on a mission to destroy Black professionals in this country.

[@SonOfTheSoil834]

The tactics ANC used on that “GNU” cabinet are top political tactics … 1..used DA to vote for the Ramaphosa they wher calling him Mr Phala Phala and that he must be held accountable 2.used DA and many other parties to expand the cabinet size which is axactly what they been complaining about 3.deployed into ministry positions 2 cadres from DA armed with just matric certificates This have proved to the South Africans that people are liars ,pretenders who will do anything at cost as long as they are on the receiving end !and I guess from now on they will be quiet about all such issues 🤣

[@cobuslombard8546]

Better than a ex president with a grade 5

[@SonOfTheSoil834]

@@cobuslombard8546 okay

[@marysinclair3759]

Lol, you fail to mention the other da ministers with degrees...how convenient.

[@SonOfTheSoil834]

@@marysinclair3759 yes coz everyone has post matric qualifications in ther is only those two outliers

[@edwardsmall8865]

Normally before the elections we have Hightide. Then politicians reach out. All other races reach out. Big business reach out to small businesses. After the elections we have Lowtide again. Thats when the water pulls far back. Fisherman must go deeper to catch fish. I already see this happening.

[@MatshedisoLefuoTshidi]

DA won the Gauteng province Why can't ANC do the same in Western Cape and KZN ANC list power in Gauteng Why this big deal?

[@stevedaniel5603]

…not to say collective memory, nor that discrimination by law didn’t happen, it definitely did in South Africa. As it has elsewhere worldwide, including slavery - at any one time ALL nations/culture were enslaved. Can we move on now…

[@philipcowie2478]

This guy is pathetic. Everyday we hear the anc side of the story through their press conferences and everyday they say the same thing, the DA is arrogant, then everyone just regurgitates it. For once the DA holds a press conference and tells their side of the story, and he says we must wait to hear anc side of the story . 😂😂😂😂

[@Mpholebepe-ci6cc]

It sound like you have some business with DA

[@Phillip-oo2ft]

Success of da for all to see

[@Jadamema28]

With they 34 they can still form a government with 2 other parties the same can't be said for DA that's the defrints no other parties can get DA over 51%

[@shriyanmaharaj8562]

What about 3 parties?

[@H3321KG]

No need, we all die and the there is blissful nothingness is the abyss. 3:36

[@thembekaxipu6961]

Bye bye

[@MK-gn1nz]

Proportionality is Grade 3 maths. Baggage? It's a gravy train😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@nomasontogumede2667]

I don’t like this guy we are in this mess because of his quietness’s from the time of the Mandela’s government. You understand Hellen Zile more than you understand yourself. We know the truth that you want the government of GNU as you wanted the Mandela government.

[@sizwekhumalo3709]

DA hypocrisy. MK has the majority in KZN but they don't allow them to form part of GNU . Shut the door in GP

[@cobuslombard8546]

The choise of the MK

[@fredbantu3694]

Mr Mbeki name one country where yTs lives peacefully n respectably with native people ? Just 1 i will be waiting.

[@Phillip-oo2ft]

South africa...namibia....botswana

[@fredbantu3694]

@@Phillip-oo2ft Just named all the colonies of the commonwealth they live in tolerance

[@Babazulu]

This sell out

[@Phillip-oo2ft]

Stay poor

[@Babazulu]

@@Phillip-oo2ft the land and economy will return to us and we dare you people to do something

[@Phillip-oo2ft]

We are doing something ..for many many years...we did build and not destroy...but then came the corrupt anc after mbeki...guptazuma...and down we ALL went.... You brainwashed...propaganda got you.. Our youth dont want land to work in hot sun waiting for drought to kill...we want aircon office computer jobs...own businesses..singers ..songwriters (..beautifull Jerusalema!!..remember???. ...proudly south african!!)..engineers...etc....we want a night life...taking kids to school in nice car...waking up in brick house..shower...having kfc with the family after work... Look at zimbBwe...grace mugabe 6 farms..and family and friends and ministers...LAND DID NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM!!!! 3 million zimbabians here taking our jobs.... Think again...dont be like looser Mal ema..hooligan julius...hate the whites by day..at night he party with them indulging in gucci and R27 000 shoes...luxuries of the white....he is an actor.....living high on the gogos vbs money ..sis. Forward TOGETHER...for the benefit and prospes future for all of our children and grandchildren... Break away from propoganda and start thinking for yourselves.. Watch you tube "citizens concern" from Kathelong...she is brilliant...i learned a lot from her...never knew africa had white slave trade too...and many more interesting history for all of us to consider our future fogether for the benefit of all our children

[@Jadamema28]

ANC have options DA don't jrrrr ANC CAN FLIPPIN FORM GOVERNMENT IN ALL PROVINCES AND NATIONAL WITH OUT DA, BUT DA CAN'T DO THAT WITH OUT ANC, HOW STUPID IS ANC NOT TO SEE THAT

[@margaretlesoleso]

Ylu want us to go back to 30yrs of colonial rule by the Anc😭😭

[@Jadamema28]

@@margaretlesoleso 300+ years under evil