SABIAN Players' Choice - Drummers Discuss Cymbals while Dave Weckl Demos

Players' Choice is a new program from SABIAN that allows drummers to determine which new cymbals SABIAN will introduce for 2012.
Terry Bozzio, Neil Peart, Mike Portnoy, Dave Weckl and Tony Braunagel discuss PC cymbals.
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[@rickjovel]

Dave Weckl just took rock stars to back school... the absolute best; no doubt.

[@gringochucha]

I love rock and rock drumming, but jazz drumming is the the true school and any good rock drummer knows it.

[@user-wh6sp6st8s]

Dave is a monster. He's so groove laden and articulate.

[@sticktrik]

Portnoy is speechless cause he's in the room with not only master drummer but a heavyweight musician like Weckl!!

[@blapis89]

I hope people notice the respect they have between them. Some people should learn a bit of this before saying shit on youtube about a drummer who works his ass off. Its not a competition, fanboys.

[@johnjones3648]

+blapis89 Beautifully put!!!

[@DiegoGoncalves88]

Of course, style is everything. It's not measurable, It's quality. That said, you have to be not a fan to recognize weckl's is in another level. Sorry but any true musician can see his distinction, It is just see the work of all of them

[@MattSmith-iq1ld]

I am a massive Rush fan, and one of the greatest things I LOVE about Neil is his humility as a drummer. He would tell you that he sucks compared to these guys, an "apprentice" as he likes to say (he is, especially, a massive Bozzio and Weckl fan). At the same time, these people would say, "you're really underestimating yourself." I still feel to this day that amateur drummers do not give Neil enough credit for the time, money and expense that he put into the Buddy Rich Tribute CD's. As Modern Drummer said, although guys like Weckl and Bozzio are amazing, Neil was probably the only drummer with the record label clout to convince a label that such a project was worth investing in and releasing. And I know that he also invested some of his own money to keep the project moving forward. They also recorded those 2 volumes at a great recording studio in NYC called The Power Station that Is known for its awesome drum sound. Lastly, I feel Neil was never given proper credit for the massive gains in his playing in between his first appearance at the Buddy Rich Tribute Concert and his second appearance after he had studied extensively under Peter Erskine. I mean here is fucking Neil Peart, a multi-millionaire musician, taking classes to become better at his craft. That takes incredible humility, and for me, unlike the people that just want to piss on everyone, I felt there was a massive difference in the level of his performance between those 2 gigs. Keep in mind, he is not a jazz player by nature. So sad to see that Neil has retired, but it was inevitable. Everyone bitched and complained about his change of style in the mid-90's, but he was suffering from severe tendonitis, and he had to learn how to play the skins without it having such a negative effect on his body physically. That is the thing that no one talks about. Freddie Gruber gave us another 10-15 years of Neil behind the drum kit. You may not like the sound, but I like the Rush records, and Neil throughout his life was not playing his instrument in an ergonomic fashion. It was killing his body. It was leading him to injuries that would eventually force him to quit.

[@mattmarkus4868]

he took lessons from gruber after watching steve smith's massive improvement in his physicality and he was curious what it might do to his technique to study with him. I don't know what you mean about tendonitis being the reason. Also, he didn't change his style, he always had the same style. He couldn't help it, it was him and his personality regardless of what he did with his technique. His video from the mid 90s showed some excellent improvements in his technique though. So much more relaxed, but still the same personality musically speaking (not a bad thing for my taste).

[@barryseal-7710]

You forgot to mention that NONE of the other drummers wrote hypnotic lyrics to nearly 40 years worth of music 🎵 a very rare Talent indeed ... Combined with fantastic syncopated drum parts a true wordsmith in all senses of the word 🙌🏻☮️✨ Absolute magic ✨

[@leonardowolff2177]

I miss neil. Amazing project from sabian to join those amazing drummers to discuss sound and musical expression.

[@Terrezio]

RIP Neil Peart❤️

[@barryseal-7710]

Amen to that Brother 🙏🏻🎯

[@dibber43]

"Neil Ellwood Peart" September 12, 1952 --- January 7, 2020 "A Farewell to a King"

[@manuelergcruz]

Neil Peart to Dave Weckl "Thank you for the lesson.." It came from one of the most technical Prog Rock Drummers in the world..Dave Weckl could be the modern Bill Evans of the drums..

[@XDrummerSteve]

In one of Neil's books he states that he can think of at least "50 drummers" whom he considers worthy of the "greatest drummer" moniker. Personally, I never liked to compare musicians. Weckl would not be a good fit for Rush nor Peart in a fusion gig. Each is their own greatness for different reasons.

[@manuelergcruz]

XDrummerSteve I also don't like comparing Musicians, but getting good compliments from someone who watched you play and from a totally different genre is surreal. From another vid, it's Dave Weckl who gave compliments to Mike Portnoy, saying "Awesome playing." I definitely agree on your last statement that "Each is their own greatness for different reason." Cheers!!

[@user-hk7hz9cn7v]

Dave is from another planet. Just like Virgil Donati. They don’t come around unless the mothership brings them here

[@tommysonnier9848]

I love Terry's compliment about how Dave sounds. Everyone sounds different on the same drums and no one sounds like Dave because of the touch he has.

[@briandressel1344]

I’ve been a drummer for around 25 years and was always a Zildjian guy but I’ve absolutely fallen in love with Sabian

[@williamjueschke9960]

I’ve watched this over and over and I’m still in awe how much resect these amazing drummers have for one another, no egos.

This is how you're supposed to be with other drummers. They are humble with eachother and compliment one another.. no competition whatsoever

[@itsjoeredula7]

Dave Weckl is an amazing drummer!

[@fernandocaletti2280]

RIP Neil. Forever beloved

[@lvalledor3440]

Once in a lifetime occasion for Neil Peart & Dave Weckl to be in the same room talking about cymbals. Surprisingly enough, what Neil Peart & Dave Weckl have in common aside from being amazing drummers is that fact that both were former Zildjian endorsers & both have developed their own signature cymbal line from Sabian. Neil with the Paragon line & Dave with HHX Evolution & Legacy lines

[@dannybarichello1575]

I believe they had the same teachers at one time as well.

[@stevegosciniak631]

@@dannybarichello1575 you are correct. Freddie Gruber

[@chrisc3407]

OMG WHAT GOD PUT THESE PPL IN THE SAME ROOM! thanks!

[@Brokenface]

too much epicness to handle TOO MUCH!!!

[@jctalk18]

I like Mike Portnoy but Dave Weckl is another different level drummer.

[@ResidentOfTheAbyss]

James Tai Dave is light years ahead of Mike.

[@MultiAsdqwe]

They both are diferent drummers and play diferent styles

[@macp988]

totally, another planet

[@chumpvoodoo]

dif. styles...

[@FanaticDrummer]

Dave is more classical and traditional. Mike is a top tier rock drummer in his own rite. As great as Dave is, his “rock/ prog” music doesn’t vibe like Mikes does. Despite Dave being so incredibly diverse.

[@Bren28]

Breathtaking drumming from Dave yet again, so musical, fat pocket, amazing touch and dynamics and in that format, what a musician, he'd make any cymbal sound good! :) Great video and cheers Sabian. Love your cymbals

[@darkdancer72]

Love those videos! And here I love the finger test of Weckl especially. Great sound!

[@360LIFE-rf5pw]

the most beautiful videos of sabian..good times

[@SmackDownBrown49]

Water got nothing on Weckl's fluidity. One of the best ever.

[@seba5837]

Such class between them... pure respect.

[@mariabrashear3968]

I don't like comparing drummers. Their all great for different reasons. But I have to say. If you can handle playing drums for Frank Zappa. You can handle about any situation. Terry Bozzio is way more than just a rock drummer.

[@JoEsp]

yeah! his playing on the Brecker Bros' Heavy Metal Bebop album is epic for me. Cheers!

[@dannybarichello1575]

I have had the pleasure of seeing these drummers perform live. I have seen Weckl with CCEB twice and I have been to three of his clinics. Weckl is a machine.

[@fatchoppers01]

Cant believe anyone would argue who is better. Each of these guys are great in their own way.

[@MichaelMeyer-sy6fp]

This guy absolutely cracked the code ! An absolute master !

[@WarhawkBeyond2040]

Dave Weckl + Mike Portnoy + Terry Bozzio + Neil Peart = 4 of the greatest and most legendary drummers on the planet.

[@karkeido7611]

Nope

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

Nah Thomas lang wrecks them all.

[@rothdrums]

That is cool. He is so articulate and well spoken. I've seen him play numerous times live and seen his drum clinics. He is a true master. Going to see him with Chris Minh Doky tomorrow night. Yeah!!!!

[@RoccoHernandez87]

Awesome comments Mike, your opinion was unique!

[@gamefreak249]

This makes me happy :D

[@onaybarker3589]

So many legend

[@PLDrums1]

Thanks for the response.. had my doubts about the longevity of that sort of cymbal, but maybe I'll think twice now!

[@bateria816]

Deus abencoe os engenheiros da sabian ...show de pratos e é claro , so bateristas de primeira

[@mvunit3]

Why am I still here . . . the universe should have imploded back in 2011 with these greats all in the same room! D: . . . wait . . . maybe I'm in an alternate universe?

[@ericmsandoval]

That kit is beautiful

[@TheEleatic]

Bozzio's reaction says it all. Weckl has mastery over every single element of playing. I also love Hakim, Foster, and Katche. These musicians can play sofly, loudly--even more importantly, softly and loudly at the same time.

[@_ashtonthomas]

I WANT THAT RIDE CYMBAL!!!!!!

[@azueta9]

Ver a Terry Bozzio, Neil Peart, Dave Weckl y a Mike Portnoy (disculpen por el último quien no sé quien es) es increíble, sin palabras

[@Gandtroth]

“I’m a big component of splash cymbals.” Proponent, Dave.

[@damianquadro]

what happened to the full version of dave´s playing? is it still on youtube? thanks

[@ronjon5386]

I can’t count how many times I have watched this video.

[@TheFrankbee]

Dave weckl is the best drummer ever...

[@Analogbeatmaker]

You spelled "Vinnie Colaiuta" wrong.

[@Ziri0615]

4 best drummers of history!

[@Eddie71883]

This vid is amazing

[@bestdrummer4607]

nice playing. i like it.

[@hayrolucas883]

es el maestro sin dudas algunass

[@KONAMAN100]

the audience of 4 utterly blown away by the best drummer on the planet

[@SERCHSOS3722]

SABIAN, Yamaha, Vic Firth and Remo... best brands ever!

[@bestdrummer4607]

all great players.

[@MrPistons4life]

Drummer Gods need to do more of the demos like this because it puts the missing dynamic to potential purchases hearing the cymbals played by the PLAYERS.

[@ShittyMcPoopyBalls]

For a second he sounds like he's mocking Mark Love hahaha, insanely beautiful playing.

[@BamaMatters11]

I agree with everything Mike Portnoy had to say here.

[@b7o76786bgkn77678p8y]

LOL

[@KONAMAN100]

Stunned silence

When Neil Peart says "Thanks for the lesson" you are the best of the best. Dave is simply 3 tiers above the crowd.

[@flaviushosu7564]

Aero Crash is amazing!

[@thomaslejon]

For me , Dave is the boss

[@snaremasteraza]

that kit and whole set up is smexy

[@iAmPesukone]

@85Aheadstix You go and do whatever you like, all the drummers in that room are living legends. End of story.

[@gustavaomiojo]

The holes in it make harder for fissures or microfissures to propagate troughout the cymbal, i think it is the main reason why Dave says they're stronger

[@FUZZYBIGS]

When I die this is the heaven I wish to be in!

[@alencore]

Amazing guys!!! Geekieng up on their free toys LoL!

[@Suprematista]

@thomaslejon obviously ;)

[@iAmPesukone]

@85Aheadstix Go ahead and hold on to your opinion. My opinion is he's a great musician.

[@joeyv1111]

Ar those the natural finish HHX click hats? Or the brilliant finish?

[@sticktrik]

What possibly could he add to this conversation of intellectual minds.

[@dornelli1]

Portnoy does not have the same baggage as the other guys, but he is very good

[@reassert]

Style cannot be compared, but quality CAN. People can for sure make a judgement that who is the best drummer in this video.

[@VioletAOP416]

30 seconds into the video and Neil is giving the teacher a lesson. I cracked up.

[@DukeDamnChin]

Whoa man I hope they make that 20" Zen China - Being in the market for a new china right now I'd have to say, no joke, I'd buy one tomorrow.

[@haydendraycott7897]

This is literally the Jedi high council of drummers \m/

[@jameshersheysr7194]

I'm a Paiste man myself,I would love to hear these guys playing some Signature series by Paiste.

[@markjohns2659]

James Hershey Sr Paiste are an excellent cymbals! I absolutely love the Paiste Rude series! They have a pretty awesome allstar lineup of drummers, Stewart Copeland, John Bonham, Bill Bruford, Danny Carey, Dave Lombardo etc...

[@DrumTipsRock]

I like Paiste rides. I have an old one that I just love. Gotta clean it some day! Wouldn't use any other. I have a sabian thick crash all the rest are zildgians.

[@SERCHSOS3722]

@KonigAgro Well in my opinion they are the best. I prefer these as you prefer those. Each one thinks different :D

[@cfx5000]

Wow! Three of the greatest drummers ever in the same room. Neil Peart, Terry Bozzio and Mike Portnoy.

[@MichaelRCarlson]

And they all just got a lesson from Dave. :)

[@sticktrik]

What you really mean is three of the greatest drummers listening and commenting on a "Master" drummer Dave Weckl!!!!

[@DiegoGoncalves88]

Lol the only one close to the feet of dave is Bozzio, and look his attitude to him. Portnoy don't even say a word... Dave is in another level of perfection

[@cfx5000]

Dave who? Never heard of him. And I've been listening to music for nearly 50 years.

[@cfx5000]

Diêgo S Gonsalves The only reason Portnoy is speechless is because he is sitting next to his hero.

[@maddness1997]

That splash..^_^ Sigh..Wish Ii have those cymbals..:/ In due time..:D

[@Pauleyh2]

wow a room full of legends have respect for all of th they are drum royalty peart and portnoy are def best drummers here but blzzio and the other guy is good too

[@theRBninja]

Lol, I was just saying there might be someone out there who has that touch of Weckl out there too :3

[@ChadRosas]

You mean Nobody plays like Dave Weckl ?, you are right ! ))

[@julianvich6067]

I love all these drummers, but Weckl,...wow, man!! He's not from this planet.

[@DrummerRF]

I think he was talking about Tony Braunagel:P

[@PyroShredder982]

These guys are the most famous drummers in the world. But as a player, Weckl is on a whole other level

[@Pauleyh2]

wow a room

[@PLDrums1]

So are cymbals with holes actually stronger than those without, as Dave implied? I think it might might make sense with energy dissipation in mind, but can anyone more acutely in the know about this sort of thing get back to me?

[@DrummerRF]

I love it how dave weckl throws out a kick as piece in only a view seconds and is barely doing any effort at all. He just completely outlevels everybody(not in the room, just in general).

[@AdrianAmaya]

wow this proves to me that Dave is the best of all time and Portnoy was so quite. but nice video.

[@DiegoGoncalves88]

They forgot to invite me =p

[@germangismondi944]

weckl is a fusion drummers. fusion style needs a drummer with advanced technique. portnoy is a rock drummer and what he does is excellent fot the style

[@marhb99]

What ride is that?

[@Mediarahan003]

PHX BABY!

[@85Aheadstix]

@Suprematista Even though Bozzio would kick his arse in everyway.

[@metaldrummer47]

Finally someone who understands that haha

[@esond]

You know... cause... you know... you know. Dave Weckl everyone.

[@EricLThomp75]

What hats are those?

[@Gaboherrera_cantante]

14' HHX Click Hats

[@joaoluisbufaical994]

IAN PAICE is, by far, THE BEST FOR SWINGING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@tomanocucaralhoporra]

Where are the rest of the videos showing Dave's playing? Only 8 seconds in this one and that's not nearly enough if I do say so myself.

[@impulsivedesigns]

Wow. Portnoy kept his mouth shut for a change. He really knew how much he was outshined. LOL. If he keeps this up hes gonna end up like a prog version of Lars Ulrich. Sad to see.

[@jctalk18]

He's just being humble.

[@impulsivedesigns]

Portnoy humble? Oh boy.

[@jctalk18]

Every drummer has their own short coming in terms of skills etc. Nothing to be ashamed off. It's good to see Mike being sincerely knew he was outshined (Like you mentioned). Everyone has to eat the humble pie once a while. Good to see Mike Portnoy's ego being suppressed this time. And that's a good thing. But i enjoy Mike's playing than Dave simply because it's much easier to listen. To each of his own.

In this series Mike played and when done Weckl gave him a compliment and you could see Mike's face get red and he hung his head a bit as if Weckl was just being kind. I'm a fan of Mike and was a DT fan for 20+ years, but I get what you're saying about his persona. Clearly he knew he was way out of his league with the likes of a Weckl in the house. Dave's one of the greatest to ever grace a kit for sure. He's my #1.

[@whatshoes]

Well U never stop learning, Mike is listening to some great drummers, everyone is good at what they do, they're all great, just different Styles of drumming I respect each and everyone of those Cats.,.,

[@theRBninja]

You never know...

[@user-hk7hz9cn7v]

Dave Weckl and Virgil Donati…it doesn’t get better! Mt. Everest!

[@andresnavas415]

Es terry bozio

[@isgrinch1]

I would've wet my pants if I was in a room with these guys.

[@arieslove6144]

is it just me or does neil look like dave Matthews in this clip

[@Suprematista]

yeah, like it should be Mr. Weckl LEADING.