'Safety is relative': What CEO of missing Titanic submarine company told me during my trip

Interview with David Pogue, CBS correspondent who rode on the submersible that takes passengers to the Titanic, which is now missing.
A Canadian military surveillance aircraft detected underwater noises as a massive operation searched early Wednesday in a remote part of the North Atlantic for a submersible that vanished while taking five people down to the wreck of the Titanic.
A statement from the U.S. Coast Guard did not elaborate on what rescuers believed the noises could be, though it offered a glimmer of hope for those lost aboard the Titan as estimates suggest as little as a day's worth of oxygen could be left if the vessel is still functioning.
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[@markfournette2483]

When you pay for the Titanic experience, and you get the Titanic experience.

[@anaserrot6620]

😂😂😂😂👏👏👏👏

[@luciano2166]

Well said

[@onestepbeyond7240]

Best comment 😆

[@samparker9071]

Too soon? 😂

[@Gigi-qj6yp]

I honestly didn’t wanna laugh at this 😂

[@THEGRENAAAAADE]

This is what happens when you go through life with survivorship bias. He never realized how lucky he was in his risk taking, just thought he was built different. He lacked humility and inadvertently reenacted the story of Icarus. I'm sure he didn't think it would happen to him, even if it could happen. A fatal lesson.

[@SmartStart24]

I’m sorry for this man and the others on board the submersible but you are 100% on point. Rich people really do their children a disservice in that way. I hope they are found alive, but if they are no longer living may they rest in peace.

[@chuckshartz2722]

This is what mass amounts of wealth evidently does to people. It’s just like those people who climb Mount Everest multiple times Everyone knows that a single trip costs around 125,000 and more. So it’s a rich people’s game. They climb their first time and truly believe they whooped it and go for additional climbs But you play with nature like that, eventually, she’s going to let you know just how insignificant you really are

[@amischair]

Well said, spot on.

[@beehappyalways]

Exactly.

[@TheMahayanist]

They all had the same mental illness. Capitalism. Gets you every time. Owning property doesn't make you amazing, it makes you privileged to have what other people don't.

[@TheKing-vm8kl]

A former executive was fired for reporting a security issue. The boss who fired him is on board and wanted to prove him wrong.

[@olat1809]

And now he’s lost

[@maxversteeg7309]

He went along for every ride, so thats not really true

[@philfortner1805]

@@maxversteeg7309 wrong, multiple people pilot the sub. They rotated.

[@philfortner1805]

Karma is a sea faring hag!!!

[@jayesouthworth]

It wasn't a security issue, it was a safety issue that got the employee fired. CEOs don't like whistleblowers.

[@juliat4908]

In my opinion, if you want to live on the edge, then you shouldn't expect other people to have to rescue you from that edge when things go horribly wrong.

[@oscarlindvall1053]

I mean who said they did call for this attention?

[@gregscrabshack2307]

@@oscarlindvall1053😂, im sure whoever was in the group called the coast guard. bill the families, its not the tax payers job ti save you when making awful decisions

[@roadracer1584]

I don't understand why someone would allow themselves to be bolted inside a confined space with no way to exit on their own. This is crazy!

[@ArnoldJudasRimmer..]

For a billionaire to wow his guests at his private island in the Virgin Islands...

[@newmanboomin5291]

They didn't learn from the Apollo 1 accident in 1967, when 3 astronauts were killed inside their cabin. The ignition source of the fire was determined to be electrical, and the fire spread rapidly due to combustible materials and the high-pressure pure oxygen cabin atmosphere. The hatch proved impossible for the astronauts to open quickly.

[@RacerX1971]

Arrogance and to show off to their Uber rich friends that they saw the Titanic..

[@ArnoldJudasRimmer..]

Hamish Harding I have found out held the record in 2021 for deepest submersible dive ever to the bottom of the Mariana Trench. And also has been up to space on The New Shepard rocket in 2022. Push it to the limit?...

[@hardikpandya7421]

​@@ArnoldJudasRimmer..you push to such unnecessary limits when you have so much money in excess. Some get foolish with more money.

[@AUNZAnon]

It's over. 24 hours of oxygen remaining. No chance of planning and executing a rescue in time. This is already a recovery operation, they just won't admit until the 24 hours are up.

[@clubfillerspinkknickers9791]

I live for this 🙌

[@LiveByDesign]

To be honest it doesn’t seem anyone is too eager to be rescuing billionaires and I hope they take note of that

[@blokin5039]

@Maal_wali_aunty_2 loser

[@joanna0988]

The oxygen thing is not super accurate since it was never tested. They could have less or more. Someone could have died and then they'd have more.

[@joe3009]

@joannasr9879 Imagine the stench for the ones that are alive.

[@Stacey16......]

It's always the same, it takes a tragedy to happen before safety is taken seriously

[@kristopherryanwatson]

yeah, like America in general.

[@4eva123]

The irony of it being a trip to see the Titanic

[@alonzokincaid1362]

@@4eva123their corpses will be down there FOREVER…

[@alwaysyouramanda]

Humanity seems terrible at fire prevention.. we’ll keep 99% alcohol next to the stove and wait for the fire to maybe MAYBE grab an extinguisher.

[@FireFire_HehHeh]

@@4eva123 And to name the damn sub Titan. Couldn't make this up. I'm buying a plane, gonna name it Bermuda Triangle, and I'm going to explore the Bermuda Triangle.

[@one_ice_cold_chiq]

Having my son was life changing. I didn't need thy bottom of thy ocean for that

[@BehindThePringles]

You couldn’t pay me enough to get into that deathtrap.

[@1977edd]

Who would pay you anyway to go near it.

[@blokin5039]

5 bucks?

[@ABirdWoman]

Panic is your gut telling you something is not safe… people need to listen to that feeling.

[@countryboi5828]

I disagree. Panic IS NOT 'your gut telling you something is not safe'. That is your INSTINCT (feeling). Panic is that gut-wrenching REACTION to a life- threatening situation.

[@pandakicker1]

I do.

[@Aribbonofsoundmen]

​@@pandakicker1☕️

[@josephnardone1250]

The fact that the submersible can't be opened from the inside is, to me, incomprehensible. How can anyone get into such a vehicle and allow himself to be locked in with no chance of escape if necessary? Such a condition would be a deal-breaker for me. No way would I get into that vehicle.

[@cavaleer]

According to this nimrod you're just not built like a "risktaker". ☠

[@americarocks1776]

There's no reason for you to get out of the thing from the inside when you're in the ocean. What is opening it up going to do for you?

[@volatilememory9338]

​@@americarocks1776It's in the even that they are able to resurface, they can open the hatch to allow oxygen in while the support crew search for the vessel.

[@josephnardone1250]

@@americarocks1776 Did it occur to you that the reason for emergency exit could be that the vehicle did surface in an emergency and immediately leaving was necessary? How about if the vehicle surfaced with a leak and it was necessary to abandon the vehicle and you can't because you can't get out and you sink and drown trapped in the vehicle or you're waiting for rescue and suffocate because a hatch can't be opened to admit air? Remember there was no back-up emergency rescue plan by the company which is why everybody died. That is what being able to escape from the inside could do for you.

[@oscarlindvall1053]

@@llulaby8063 They would be dead regardless nothing to eat, no water etc. It's in the middle of the Atlantic they would probably get flooded and head back to the bottom in a couple of minutes. If anything having the hatched being openable is more risky, have you ever been on open water? Now the fact that they seem to have skimped when it comes to the construction itself is the real problem.

[@Foxtrottangoabc]

Feel sorry for the 19yr old young man who would have assumed he was surrounded by experts , but unfortunately he was not

[@Baneslayer]

it's got to be absolutely crushing now knowing that everyone in his life broke his trust, and it cost him his life. Even the one he trusted the most.

[@Lambert58-v9i]

Child abuse making his son go along on the journey.

[@jsmcguireIII]

As a life-long sailor I find it stunning that there wasn't a simple Epirb on board that could be released to narrow the search zone. That is the most basic safety device found on any weekend charter boat. Accepting the risks but skipping the most basic rescue measure makes no sense - especially when wealthy tourists are paying $250,000 just to ogle at a wreck where 1,500 people died.

[@zx3215]

Self-confidence of the designers of the submersible maybe?

[@jsmcguireIII]

@@zx3215 No irony it was also hubris that sank the Titanic.

[@Jim90117]

@@jsmcguireIII They hired noone who had actually been in dangerous situations underwater like ex submariners as consultants who (even the most lowly ranked submariner) could of listed a dozen hazards of this submersible design.

[@amb3cog]

Just searching for this comment. I was born and raised on Aquidneck Island (Newport RI)👍👍. Lived here most of my 51 years. And have always been around the ocean. Back in the day we would use a CB type marine band radio, and once they were available. Everyone bought EPIRB's, and never go out without them. Sure we used to get drunk, and be stupid about many things. Been towed home many times too. But we always started the day sober with safety in mind. And were at least as prepared as we could be. And this is just within the Narragansett Bay. If we were to hit the open ocean, and say go to Block Island. We would go to more extreme measures, and prepare days ahead for the trip. The thought of doing something like this is simply unimaginable to me. From my own life experiences, and what my father taught me. There's no way I would have ever gotten near that thing. It doesn't take a genius to see what would happen in case of emergency. And the fact that they may have imploded on the bottom changes nothing. There is zero reason to not put safety at the top of the list. You only get one life. ✌️

[@Yoctopory]

Maybe there was one on board. Wouldn't have changed anything.

[@mikedominick6690]

Does anyone else think these people are insane for even trying this?

[@marlanebraun5635]

the expense of trying to save these people is astronomical!! the safety of the hundreds of people trying to rescue them. i want them all safe!!

[@scotia_man_steve7145]

I agree maybe maybe in the future when some fart sniffing billionaire tries a stunt like this, we should charge them an astronomically huge bill for rescuing them and putting peoples lives in danger! play stupid games, win stupid prizes

[@fidelcatsro6948]

Im estimating at least 1 million dollars per day being spent if not more

[@osiris3550]

Yeah, if that were one of us we’d be lucky if they sent a fishing boat with someone yelling “y’all out here” a couple times.

[@mrbearbear83]

​@fidelcatsro6948 hopefully the trapped people pay for it

[@ArtyFactual_Intelligence]

Some people are actively concerned about the future life chances of a number of Disaster Tourists and yet don't give a damn about those stuck in dinghies on the open sea trying to flee natural disasters and war.

[@mrkeogh]

Safety may be relative, but being dead remains stubbornly binary.

[@JOlivier2011]

And that bit eventually flips for us all :')

[@Cman57]

Death don't care about your mental illnesses. We are all either male or female in our autopsies.

[@mattstevens4192]

Unless you are Schrodinger's Cat.

[@tonyweaver2353]

Well they signed up for it. 5 times. Probably why rescue efforts are being so slow. The waiver further proves how they knew it was experimental and literally didn't care as long as they made money

[@amyfox5191]

​@erikwellerweller8623 “There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.”

[@virginiam6404]

One thing for them to risk their own lives, but now they are putting the lives of others at risk who have to search and possibly recover the submersible. Praying for the teams who have to conduct this extensive and dangerous mission.

[@BingoNamo-gb8pz]

That should be in the disclaimer/waivers. “No search & rescue team will be deployed on your behalf in the event of a failure.”

[@fidelcatsro6948]

i imagine a dredging vessel with a boom and cable long enough to go 4km down the sea with a giant electromagnet at the hook to energize and stick the sub to its magnet and then pull it up all the way 🏗️

[@dubstepforever99]

@@BingoNamo-gb8pz bro literally said anything on the submarine could fail, but the tube they in will keep them safe.. now they are probably dying a slow death at the bottom of the ocean.

[@Charmander009]

The rescue teams are not risking their lives at all . Nobadys going down that deep

[@Charmander009]

@TerryClothoh shut up , these people are heroes . Imagine the stories we would hear id they made it

[@cindyspangler3982]

100ish years ago, someone decided to build the Titanic using poor quality materials to save on costs, then equip it with less lifeboats because they looked "unsightly" on the deck. It's kind of scarey how similar the mentalities were of those people involved with both of these tragedies.

[@dorathehoora4527]

This just shows the extent to which people are willing to go to satiate human vanity.

[@Baneslayer]

Final resting place of the Titan(ic).

[@jeannemarie3704]

And there 3:30 was a book called " The Wreck of the Titan" by Morgan Robertson.. about a huge vessel sinking.. it was written prior to Titanic actually sinking...eerie....

[@djsteves554]

The Titanic was made with the best quality material available at that time.. not sure where you got that from

[@user-mv9tt4st9k]

​@@djsteves554 Thank you for pointing that out. Also, the Titanic was equipped with as many lifeboats as were required by the laws of the time.

[@raylemar2386]

I will watch the Titanic sitting at the bottom of the ocean, from my living room on the big screen.

[@1977edd]

No bother to you sir.Will you be sitting on your big chair too. You should go outside for a walk it's not bad.

[@localnatives1]

“Everything can go out but you’ll still be alive” what??? That’s solitary confinement 😭

[@_hypergamy7090]

I do admire the transparency of admitting so frankly ‘it’s not for you, it’s for the rich that like to take risk’

[@neutrino78x]

poor people can do adventures too..... but it's definitely a true statement that this adventure was for people willing to take the risk. Still, any trained submariner such as myself can see all kinds of problems with the boat's design...he should have hired one of us.

[@tamuz9633]

They have learnt their lesson not to disrespect the dead! Dead people who die violently often have their spirits going back where they died for many years. When a group of rich and arrogant people come where many poor people on the Titanic were locked downstairs and could not go up to the deck of the ship for safety, what do you think happened when they saw these rich and disrespectful people coming to look where they miserably died? Let's just say that the spirits of the dead were not very impressed and maybe they decided that it was time to settle an old score with the rich. Don't mess with the dead, people! Their spirits never die.

[@_hypergamy7090]

@@neutrino78x you know, at $250,000 a person, he probably didnt want to waste the space with a professional.. and you’re right, ‘poor’ people like adventurers too, but our adventures are humble like camping or hiking.. not necessarily going down to titanic for a little visit

[@HonorV2ultimate1tb]

..there is a Big difference between a true Adventurer and a Thrill seeker

[@Kot16169]

💯

[@Whitedove6]

I think ocean grave yards should be respected and there should be laws to protect them in place. It's not a Tourist Tour alot of people losted their lives to this accident and it should be treated with respect.

[@MonteD1]

They need to try pushing "up up down down left right left right" on the controller.

[@jonnyj2331]

After following this story over the past couple of days, this was the best explanation I've heard.

[@tigrehermano]

the silly reporter the guy says: "it's not for you, it's for rich people that like to live on risk".... paying 250,000 to have somebody else do everything for you is not being adventurous at all. in fact, they pay to "see the titanic wreckage" but the damn capsule won't let you see a thinig. it's all through 3d scans... who's to say they're not showing you any other scan from a previous day?

[@savinabees9220]

agreed!

[@BillyDaGoat1017]

He didn’t say anything any different from what was already said…

[@fidelcatsro6948]

what can we infer from this: There are better ways of spending your hard earned 250,000 dollars

[@cho7707]

Yea, he basically said that these people are stupid lol.

[@karlshaner2453]

Getting on that mini sub is like parachuting with a damaged main chute and no back up...Insane.

[@imanicoppola-v5n]

The Titanic needs to be declared off limits for this kind of BS. It's a mass grave, not a tourist spot, show some respect. Finding it was amazing and answered many questions. Just because you can , doesn't mean you should.

[@jenniferhill9924]

Amen. The hubris of billionaires....

[@davidrenton]

how would you enforce that, aside from being in international waters, you have the problem with flags of convenience (which submersible don't even have to have) ,, who would pay for enforcement

[@legendarybloodviking1610]

I completely agree with you 💯

[@ItsNeverTooHot4Leather]

Don't forget that this is a private operation, which should be PRIVATELY funding its own search/rescue operation. No reason why public taxpayer money should be spent trying to find and rescue risk-taking billionaires.

[@coreyczech]

Ok captain Karen. Let's just ban everything that has no impact on your life at all whatsoever.

[@AR-zr1om]

I completely understand people took the risk but the fact this company didn't have a plan in place for this sort of incident is just negligent

[@Rowrin]

Another thing to note is that apparently communication failure was such a common occurrence on previous dives that when the crew above water lost communication with the submersible it wasn't a concern. Only 6 hours later when they missed their scheduled resurface window did they alert authorities.

[@hen5555]

There is no plan when you're 2 miles down in the ocean, you take the risk at your pearl it's not a swimming pool there in ffs

[@德夫羅]

Freedom not without responsibility. Why taxpayers pay for their rescue?

[@akilghosh]

​@@德夫羅I doubt you even pay taxes

[@mason4966]

​@@德夫羅Because what were you going to spend that money on? Onlyfans? Shut up.

[@mylizzylove1]

Basically what Ive learned with this ordeal is that rich people are soooo bored with their lives that they need to challenge death in order to feel something inside.

[@mattamuskeet]

It’s not just risking your own life for a thrill. Hundreds of people’s lives are now at risk for the search and rescue operation. The selfishness of some people is irritating.

[@KiyokoSa]

Couldn't agree more

[@axelband1770]

Their level of entitlement because they believe their money can buy anything, including life.

[@hikerhobby1204]

@Colorado MilkHum, all the shootings in the USA are not rich people.

[@user-ke4kz3in9j]

You can apply that to any person who adventures anywhere. Kind of an asinine statement

[@spankyharland9845]

well, if there is a rescue involved that requires helicopters, ships, boats and general man power- if you get rescued, there will be a party and afterwards a bill to pay for all the fuel and work required to rescue you- but if these folks can afford $250,000.00 ticket to enjoy a sub ride, they will be able to pay for it no problem- or contact Ron Howard to make a movie about your mi$adventure.

[@Leelz247]

The guy being interviewed lives in an absolute alternate reality from the rest of us.

[@nelsonmuntz3194]

I thought the same thing

[@pR1mal.]

Inside a money fort, isolated from daily reality.

[@kjellvb1979]

Failing to recognize the cost to the tax payers for their risk taking debacles, not to mention the lives risked during search and recue.

[@claytonsanders508]

I’m pretty sure the people inside the submersible are not thinking, “you know it sure would have been life changing if we had made it to the wreck site and gotten back to the surface alive. This was totally worth it.” People always assume bad things will not happen to them, and the rich disproportionately so.

[@jeaniechampagne8831]

Denial of reality.

[@johnvaughan1544]

The rich think nothing bad happens to them cos of their attitude, if it did, they expect us poor people on the bottom of their shoes, to help them out.

[@onepom63]

Fancy having a vessel that you cannot free yourself from in an emergency is absolutely ludicrous…

[@gulfy09]

How smart

[@JOlivier2011]

And paint it grey, blue and white, as a bonus challenge for search and rescue

[@Damaxyz]

At that depth they may as well be in deep space. No living thing on Earth could push to open a door due to pressure, and that same pressure would instantly kill the people inside the vessel. TLDR; You *DO NOT* want to free yourself from this vessel, it has to be done at the surface by a crew.

[@pR1mal.]

Ask the Apollo 1 astronauts how it worked out for them. RIP.

[@LFG7]

@@Damaxyz not a single person has said a hatch would benefit the occupants whilst 14,000ft under

[@hughphillips1427]

One hopes they are all alive, but what a huge risk to take. The thought of being bolted in such a small capsule in the first place fills me with dread.

[@jsnjcnt]

​@@devilsdestiny2813yeah this is horrible. How are they using the restroom? It must smell horrible in there. Hope they make it through this disaster.

[@joanna0988]

​@@jsnjcntApparently there is no restroom just a fancy Ziploc bag 😩😩

[@jsnjcnt]

@@joanna0988 that is horrible, I wonder if they even have any lighting now.

[@adeho789]

Wish there was a way to open it from the inside as well -- in case they are trapped in it above water.

[@jsnjcnt]

@@adeho789 yeah, that is a horrible design. They could have put the bolts on from the inside. A cordless impact wrench would take hatch off quick.

[@messynessy_mua7550]

Finally someone telling it like it is.. these people made the choice to do this and this is the risk that comes with it. It’s a sad story but no one forced them on this submersible.. they paid $250,000.00 a ticket 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@genez2157]

True but it sounds like they expected a better subversive then the one they got. Like he said the company didn't tell them everything about the subversive they would be inside of.

[@tamuz9633]

They have learnt their lesson not to disrespect the dead! Dead people who die violently have their spirits going back where they died for many years and here comes a group of rich and arrogant people enjoying a trip where they died tragically. I think the dead spirits of the poor people on the Titanic were not very impressed and settle an old score.

[@naminhabolsamala3062]

The KZbin blogger pais $1.200.000 last years and documented everything the whole trip

[@TwentytwentythreeThisyear]

Exactly. Maybe instead of spending 250k on selfish endeavors that get you squashed like a Bug, Billionaires could pay their staff better and give back to the community in these times of mass austerity.

[@jeaniechampagne8831]

Except maybe the boy. Thanks Dad.

[@ThisHandleWasTheOnly1Available]

If it were me, I'd rather the hull imploded causing instantaneous death, than be stuck in it for days on the bottom of the ocean slowly suffocating. Praying for the passengers and their families.

[@metalmouse2953]

There's an even worse scenario...they're on the surface floating about somewhere but as they are bolted from the outside, can't get out and are running out of air.

[@ThisHandleWasTheOnly1Available]

@@metalmouse2953 I don't believe that to be the case. With the assets they have, they would have found them by now.

[@onestepbeyond7240]

Thrill seekers climbing Mt. Everest that don't make it are left there. In fact , their bodies serve as markers.

[@gaving9463]

@@ThisHandleWasTheOnly1Available "Found by now" a little white capsule that could've traveled 1,000s of miles.... I dont know about that

[@kendallevans4079]

With NO toilet.......EEWWWWW!

[@Strange_Brew]

As an engineer I have some serious red flags about the construction of the vessel. Never mind the dodgy electronics, the hull itself is a big issue. The carbon weave machine looks like a scale up from the ones that make carbon fiber air tanks like SCBA tanks. The pressures are different. Also. The titanium ends are glued onto the carbon fiber tube. Materials expand and contract differently. Even a 2mm gap can compromise the bond on the end pieces. With having the tube carbon fiber and the end caps titanium (glued on) is a serious design flaw. My guess is that the sub came apart. There are several emergency locater beacons on the sub. Vlf and maybe it was using ultra low frequency travel hundreds of miles in the ocean. They wouldn’t have put all the communications on one circuit. And to have a total power loss could only mean one thing. Massive flooding.

[@BingoNamo-gb8pz]

Isn’t that part of the “thrill”? Without any real danger an adrenaline junky would have no interest. And isn’t that who this was made for? So you can’t eliminate all risk or you eliminate all thrill. All risk associated with an event like this lies within the vessel itself being questionable. I think that’s why you are bolted in with no way of escaping from the inside. It adds to the risk/increases the thrill.

[@pandakicker1]

@@BingoNamo-gb8pzNo no no. The vessel should have been designed better. There is no excuse for poor design. Even with state-of-the-art design, the nature of the voyage comes with an extreme risk of something going wrong regardless. It’s less likely to go wrong if it was designed properly, but there is still plenty of danger for adrenaline junkies. I know… I am one and would totally go down there with a properly designed vessel and I am not claustrophobic.

[@pandakicker1]

@@BingoNamo-gb8pz I am someone who would be an experienced cave diver by now if I wasn’t stuck living in the middle of the desert in the middle of the NA continent. lol I am also someone who has considered working for oil companies working on their undersea rigs, a job so dangerous that it is one of the highest paying jobs around.

[@fartexplosion4480]

If you want a thrill, save a few hundred thousand and go play chicken with traffic

[@ravenharris1257]

@@fartexplosion4480 😂

[@gk-zb2pn]

This company is over no matter if they coming back alive or not,still praying for a miracle 🙏

[@jaymethodus3421]

I just now found out this was even a “service” being offered to people. Absolutely INSANE for them to do this in a submersible that’s not even connected by auxiliary life support to a surface ship, with NO WAY to internally open a hatch and get out. Just mind boggling levels of incompetency.

[@lakoncers13]

Open the hatch 10,000 feet under the water?

[@vesstig]

If you opened that hatch then everyone inside would immediately be killed by the sheer pressure being pushed upon them.

[@pandakicker1]

The idiocy of the design is astronomical.

[@pandakicker1]

@@vesstigYes, unless they’re bobbing at the surface which is apparently a possibility.

[@fidelcatsro6948]

He should have at least installed rocket boosters under to climb back up in an emergency with an axe inside to break the thick glass as well once they reach the surface

[@ASMR4calmmoods]

I really appreciate this journalist sharing his real-life experience (and fears) with the world.

[@humayoonrashdi249]

You're such a Sweet guy

[@RC-qf3mp]

This “journalist” basically gave this junk company free advertising on cbs Sunday morning show. He’s basically complicit in the deaths of any of these people who got on board in part because they trusted the advertising.

[@kjb6637]

@@humayoonrashdi249that’s homo but how did this journalist afford a $250,000 seat?

[@sirbasilflapjack671]

Sitting on your arse in a submersible is not an adventure. You're visiting a grave.

[@chuckh4077]

I don't

[@goldgeologist5320]

The CEO owner had a sales pitch perfected. So glad he is on board! There is karma and justice in this world.

[@ublade82]

The most dangerous thing is a man who believes his own lies

[@LieffersThea]

He really said to all the pushback: “This isn’t for you. It’s for rich people”

[@pR1mal.]

Send more down.

[@JuricksEnterprise]

They why are WE paying for the 'rich people' to be rescued??? Let the families pay the bill!!!

[@melinabrunel6931]

We are maybe common people for them but we are alive and breathing

[@neutrino78x]

@@JuricksEnterprise they may very well do that. They bill people who have to be rescued from national parks sometimes. But you still rescue them. They're still human beings.

[@countryboi5828]

Yes, rich people are more susceptible to stupidity like this, particularly since they have the money to place themselves in such perilous predicaments.

[@oliversherman2414]

Imagine the terror of being a tourist on a submersible knowing that you're stuck more than 2 miles under the ocean

[@pedrobelo0454]

And they will suffer until the last minute not like they can kill themselves right way

[@Cartman5101]

@@pedrobelo0454if they are still alive they probably decided who to kill first so they save oxygen and get a nice meal let alone the absolutely disgusting smell it has in there

[@michelehon9193]

It is their choice!

[@michelehon9193]

Sometimes men are so arrogant

[@lukeforbes2008]

@@michelehon9193yeah but we all still feel bad right? Like it’s fun to live on the edge and it’s sucks when things go wrong. And it’s unfortunate that no one else will be able to experience something like thing for a long time.

[@Pyongyang99]

“every person who does get to see the titanic says it’s life changing, there’s a before and after” Literally just watched a bloke in an interview say it was nothing special 😂

[@Sgt_Bill_T_Co]

What amazed me was on the last dive they found the Titanic's swim pool was still full of water.

[@1977edd]

Well I hope so. Wasn't expecting it to be full of cats

[@annalieff-saxby568]

Ho ho ho.

[@timbreninger1795]

2023 and still hearing this joke

[@larryrgies0811]

That’s funny as hell!

[@TTK59]

"They wouldn't do this if it were really dangerous". The word DEATH appears at least three times on the first page of the waiver the passengers were required to sign.

[@donaldlyons17]

Yeah but I am sure other jobs have people sign saying they know the risk.

[@rillesttalk]

His briefing story and description of that submarine makes me imagine how NASA scientists reassured the Apollo-11 astronauts.

[@sunrise-kx4ev]

This man's first instincts were correct. Too much trust in the scientists who designed this thing. The Ocean demands respect.

[@StarLight-sl9ok]

That sub is a complete hunk of junk. This guy is honestly lucky to be alive.

[@annalieff-saxby568]

There's nothing wrong with the science. There are many problems with ignoring the findings of science to save a few bucks.

[@tridentHalo]

They didn't have any scientists they had uni students build it

[@1977edd]

@Maal_wali_aunty_2 you seem like a comedian.That was hilarious

[@tonysheerness2427]

To much blind faith in scientists, machines and designers. My impression of machinery is very bad as an engineer I only saw broken ones. Also everything has a life, how many dives was this capsule rated for?

[@TheFrenchPug]

The reporter's instincts before he went to sleep that night were spot on.

[@tbone1574]

Yep... Always listen to that little voice, it's usually right...

[@TheFrenchPug]

@@tbone1574 He is feeling extremely lucky at this moment in time.

[@Free_Samples]

I wish these news outlets would stop calling it a submarine when it is actually called a ‘submersible’. There is a huge difference and facts do matter.

[@thirstaefortae5057]

Yes because in my mind I was imagining a proper submarine but in reality it’s this piddly little thing that’s controlled by a PlayStation controller! It’s shocking how it was allowed to make the journey at all

[@SomeoneBeginingWithI]

They should explain the difference as well.

[@trusound170]

You are right on that! It is in the submarine family but not actually a submarine. I guess they just stick to what terms they know and are comfortable with, and really have no idea that there is a difference.

[@pandakicker1]

It is a simple linguistic mistake. You’d be surprised how many people say the simplest things wrong without meaning to. If they’re corrected enough, they may remember, though. 🤔

[@ohara.]

whats the negative with them mistaking the two, seriously

[@errorloadinginformation5429]

Its unreal hearing all the red flags, "ran by a game controller, built with used tubing" I half expected him to say the infastructure was entirely paper-mache 😂

[@Sandi-ke9mi]

I was always taught safety is imperative, not relative. 😱

[@Rosaedora]

yeah, he said that because he refused to do safety testing and said it was safer not to.

[@MartinReiter143]

Safety is relative? So is risk. Death is not.

[@volatilememory9338]

​@@RosaedoraHis reason was that most failures are due to operator error and not mechanical failures. It's called survivor bias.

[@jeaniechampagne8831]

I'm a preparer to a fault, about everything.

[@vivida7160]

​@@volatilememory9338Well, if he was in charge of the design and operation of the submersible, it is operator failure. He put the vessel into conditions it could not endure. The mechanics just did what it was supposed to do.

[@gunnerzane5230]

When you go to Walmart to buy a part for your little submarine to go 2 miles down to the ocean floor, *Here's Your Sign!*

[@j.roberts6601]

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING. THE OWNER KNEW THERE WAS PROBLEMS AND STILL LET FIVE PEOPLE GO TO THEIR DEATHS …. SUE THEM AND MAKE THEIR COMPANY GO BANKRUPT. THEY DO NOT DESERVE TO BE ABLE TO WORK AND PUT OTHER PEOPLE AT RISK AGAIN.

[@jeaniechampagne8831]

That will happen and they will be heavily fined.

[@NEOREV_MUSIC]

The tourist submersible that went missing while exploring the Titanic wreck was previously the target of safety complaints from an employee of OceanGate, the parent company that owns the sub and runs tourist expeditions of the wreck. That employee complained specifically that the sub was not capable of descending to such extreme depths before he was fired. According to the court documents, in a 2018 case, OceanGate employee David Lochridge, a submersible pilot, voiced concerns about the safety of the sub. According to a press release, Lochridge was director of marine operations at the time, “responsible for the safety of all crew and clients.” The concerns Lochridge voiced came to light as part of a breach of contract case related to Lochridge refusing to greenlight manned tests of the early models of the submersible over safety concerns. Lochridge was fired, and then OceanGate sued him for disclosing confidential information about the Titan submersible. In response, Lochridge filed a compulsory counterclaim where he alleged wrongful termination over being a whistleblower about the quality and safety of the submersible. Lochridge, in his counterclaim, alleged that “rather than addressing Lochridge’s concerns, OceanGate instead summarily terminated Lochridge’s employment in efforts to silence Lochridge and to avoid addressing the safety and quality control issues.”

[@pandakicker1]

Sounds to me like OceanGate is about to be stuck in an incredibly massive lawsuit whether they’re found alive or not over this. Oooooh boy…

[@NEOREV_MUSIC]

@@pandakicker1 Yup. Full story is on The New Republic. KZbin likes to block links.

[@vincentsutter1071]

The CEO also appeared to refuse to hire 50 year old men with submarine experience since he wanted more excitement and diversity.... Who needs actual hands-on experience for a sub that descends 4000 m?

[@CONNECTELECTRIC]

DEY TUUk IZ JERB!

[@irieite9666]

"We spared no expense" - John Hammond

[@neromax4424]

"its not for you!" You're right! a carbon fibre cylinder with electronics from home depot that is now a tomb for 5 people on the bottom of the Atlantic really isn't for me. You on the other hand I hope can be first in line to test any more genius ideas like this

[@LiveByDesign]

Ikr …I’m like thank goodness …meanwhile we’re out here breathing on dry land in the sun 😂

[@drforjc]

Don't forget the X Box joystick controller!

[@nickyalousakis3851]

the pressure vessel has carbon fibre, but it is also made of titanium. off the shelf propellers is not an issue. the computing power and software on the vessel is state of the art. the structure was designed with consultation with NASA and Boeing. the sub had done same depth tests in bahamas fifty times for testing and data submitted to govt. accidents will happen. flying by airplane to a nice sunny destination - could be your last.

[@TRON0314]

@@drforjc NAVY, Airforce, and other agencies use xbox controllers. Inputs and ergonomics have been worked out.

[@chupacabra1817]

@@nickyalousakis3851 gimme a nice fiery plane crash any day. I don't think you're gonna sell anyone on this, nick.

[@nthatomalope]

This guy has given the best context & understanding about this whole thing. Thank you sir.

[@michelehon9193]

OCEANGATE and billionaire tourists should pay for the search and rescue not any government! Not my tax dollars

[@inelsclassics4378]

I’m panicking in my house just hearing this.

[@1977edd]

Why? Is your house at the bottom of the Atlantic. Close your windows.

[@joe3009]

@@1977edd 🤣

[@markjoslin9912]

One of a kind. Last of its kind. Sad that so little forethought was put into overall safety

[@jeaniechampagne8831]

And he thought he was so smart.

[@Shaquille796]

The oxygen estimation of 90+ hours was exactly that, just an estimation of what the equipment is capable of but it was never actually tested, especially with 5 people so we are just assuming they still have oxygen

[@nickyalousakis3851]

that's right it could be longer than that.

[@shoopSAUCE]

@@nickyalousakis3851 It will be MUCH shorter than that taking into consideration the methane from the fecal matter/urine as well as if anyone had a cardiac arrest and perished due to the sheer mental breakdown they had. 90+ hours was if everyone was breathing calmly/sleeping. The convulsing and heavy breathing eats into that quickly alone.

[@bartholomewlyons]

Yup, no proof there were 90 hours to start off with.

[@JOlivier2011]

5 panicked people*

[@adrianwright8685]

Don't be daft - it must be common knowledge how much Oxygen one human being uses on average per hour - multiply by 5 people and by 90 hours and that's how much they took. They might well of course use it a bit quicker in such a situation - I dare say it's also common knowledge as to how quickly a panicked person uses Oxygen!

[@barrywilson3643]

It's just unreal how certain people you would expect to be reasonable could risk their lives getting into a miniature submersible "contraption" with no real safety measurements if something was to go wrong.

[@colettemiller2677]

My thoughts exactly! Oh, what could go wrong? Seriously, these guys aren't the brightest.

[@Kiggerknockertirechecker]

“No real safety measurements” is simply not true. There were safety precautions. As to why they failed as of right now we don’t know

[@aboveitall9600]

It's actually designed to release the ballast after 24 hours. This is not the only safety measure but requires the sub to be from obstacles. If they are still alive, my guess is electrical issues and now they are stuck in or around the wreck / debris field.

[@aragornii507]

​@@user-ef2bx9fb4ywell you have to worry now because they are using public resources. Only way would be if they pay everything for themselves out of pocket

[@trevorc8778]

Folks likely said the same thing when planes were first invented. There is no innovation without the lost of human life. Cars didn't always have seatbelts, it took the lost of human life to make them safer. This is the case with most innovation.

[@SteadyEddyyy]

There is a 19 year old on the sub. Not sure he knew his dad was signing him up for the risks that "come with the life of a risktaker."

[@razatshrestha]

"You will still be alive ..." guess he forgot to complete the sentence by mentioning till the oxygen runs out

[@PrometheanRising]

'I knew that they wouldn't do this if it was really dangerous.' Tell me you lack all judgment without telling me you lack all judgment.

[@trex3003]

The company should pay all the costs of this rescue.

[@chrisbender4987]

Safety is relative? If someone wants to say that in regards to his/her own self that's one thing but to convince others of that is irresponsible and arrogant.

[@patryk6492]

that is absolutely true. there is nothing in life that is absolutely safe. even some of the most strict industries like aerospace require a level of risk of part failure to be bound to the order of magnitude of e.g. 1 per 1, 10, or 100 million flying hours, not infinite.

[@starchild1595]

"Its not ment for tourists." Say that to the father that brought his 19 year old with him on the sub.

[@donnovicki9771]

Waivers or not OceanGate is toast. I have heard that one of the most plausible explanations is implosion due to catastrophic hull failure. Engineers think that the carbon fiber hull experienced micro fractures with each dive it made, until it made one dive too many.. We will never know. They will find nothing, and the sounds, that's them calling back from eternity.

[@markmd9]

This submarine was the first one to be built from carbon fiber. Which is a new untested technology. Prior that all submarines were made of metal. Carbon fiber under pressure can snap without warning. I think that was the fatal mistake.

[@MaxPower-vf8kt]

When I heard this thing was made of carbon fibre, I was like, “They are done.” There is a LOT of safety/maintenance in airplanes that use carbon fibre, and most experience a few G’s; this guy seemed to have no safety procedures. I doubt he is doing regular NDT testing on all these “Off the shelf” parts and carbon fibre. This guy’s lack of safety concern is not what you want at those depths and pressures.

[@fidelcatsro6948]

yes i agree, diving in a huge metal pipe wouldve been safer

[@PlanetIscandar]

*@markmd9* I disagree because the tensile strength of carbon fiber is extremely high and therefore if they combined this material in the right way it would (or could) strengthen the entire structure. But we need someone expert to explain it in all detail. The main question is "What caused and facilitated this disaster to happen".

[@vipermad358]

It is a submersible, NOT a submarine. BIG DIFFERENCE. 😂

[@PlanetIscandar]

@@vipermad358 Yeah. Kursk for example, was a submarine and it sunk 100m deep. No survivors.

[@l.r5770]

Im wondering if it has crossed their minds to ‘eliminate’ the others to give themselves more days of survival.

[@TheHotBlockCEO]

This guy is just as nuts as the people who went down in that "sub."

[@kbyamurr4665]

The worst scenario is not bobbing away on the surface...if you are at the bottom of the ocean 13000 feet down..that's a hellish nightmare I don't think anyone would want to be in.

[@Charmander009]

No dumbo , If ur at bottom ud be fine , ud accept death but if ur on top then it’s like ur basicaly an inch away from survival but because I can’t get door open ur trapped . Anyway ur too dumb to understand

[@Patrick3183]

The guy being interviewed is an idiot

[@rg-cc5kg]

"Everything can fail but you will still be alive". For the moment that is.

[@DeShawnMcDonald]

And rather then go "so your saying this thing is designed for slow deaths, well duck that nevermind" they went bet and just kept it pushing. I've never seen this level of idiocy before in my life.

[@BingoNamo-gb8pz]

So in his mind as long as the hull is intact everything is fine because some genius out there will figure out a way to rescue you within 96 hours?

[@dubstepforever99]

everything fails but you will be safe until there is no more oxygen.. and we have no safety features or some kind of way to locate it.

[@rearspeaker6364]

He must have forgot something🤣🤣🤣

[@Birdsfly11]

NOTE TO SELF: Do not use dollar store equipment for 2.4 mile deep dives.

[@Hereticked]

"This isn't for you. It's for rich people." Oh, I agree. I think we should send more billionaires down to experience these wonders.

[@VTPSTTU]

I'm sure that seeing the Titanic would be fun and exciting. I enjoy looking at the pictures. On the other hand, I hope that I never become so shallow that seeing a sunken ship is "life-changing" to me.

[@nickyalousakis3851]

i wouldn't say that the desire is shallow.

[@jenniferhill9924]

​@@nickyalousakis3851😂 well played

[@holdtightadele8017]

No pun intended

[@cebola2k2]

@@nickyalousakis3851 what would you say?

[@Itsphillipdeal]

Saw through a screen still. Ya don’t even actually see it

[@672macknasby7]

"Safety is relative"... Wrong, safety better be paramount, and that is non negotiable.

[@aboveitall9600]

These men are adults and made a choice to go down 13,000 feet. This not Disneyworld. People have this idea that money can buy you absolute safety, there is a reason why this is adventure tourism.....It's extreme, these guys get their kicks by being able to tell the country club about their adventure...The risk, the danger, the awe, thrill and experience. It's all part of it.

[@KcTc344]

im alot more sad for the researcher and the 19 year old. Doing these tours probably help fund his research and the 19 year old might of only gone on the wim of his father

[@aboveitall9600]

@@KcTc344 Maybe. I think they all made an informed choice. When I was young, I had a fascination with the ship. I think it was 50k-100K then, if I had the money as a teen...I think I would have gone for it knowing the risks involved. Of course I don't have a 100K disposable income for a vacation.

[@codeine_ninja]

@@aboveitall9600im 17 and trust me being 19 doesnt mean at all u are an adult lol you’re delusional

[@DeShawnMcDonald]

@KcTc344 there's no age that's to young to not understand why this is a bad idea. Yall act like people younger then you can't form thoughts properly no the kid made the choice to do what he did knowing full well what could happen. It's the sea it's not like this is some mysterious portal that just opened up we all know how salt water and pressure works

[@ChuyR.]

When you are young you are very likely to take any opportunity that is put in front of you, especially if this was his choice of career, if he was studying accounting he didnt have to be there.

[@sean8998]

We can keep going on talking about these Men down there. We seem to be not putting a lot of emphasis that a 19 year old Boy is in the submersible. I can't fathom the idea of a 19 year old kid knowing/understanding the concept of death, yet he signed the document. I also cannot understand why anyone would think seeing a sunken ship, 13,000ft down, in person would be life changing. The company should be shut down, fined and those who ignored the whistleblowing efforts should be prosecuted.

[@jenniferhill9924]

Sadly the main one is on board. I'm sure the company will have had insurance to pay out to the governments who did search and recover.

[@rotarpowered6665]

And what about climbing Mount Everest should that be banned if a 19 year old signed the wavier, climbed half way and died?

[@holdtightadele8017]

19 year olds aren’t toddlers, they are adults whether you want to admit that or not.

[@yogabee2222]

I agree with most of what you said except for about the 19-year-old. He is a grown man so why wouldn't he be able to make such a decision? It's not like a 12-year-old he's 19 All highly educated, capable of reading and read and signed a waiver that basically signed their life away. Now other people have to risk their lives. Trying to find people who knew that this could happen. I think there were saving. Don't get me wrong but they signed this risk and there's no way you couldn't pay me the $250 thousand dollars to go in that thing. That's just bizarre and nuts and i honestly cannot believe it was ever allowed. I truly hope they stop it. This is disgusting. They're not scientists down there trying to research something important. They want to see a sunken shipwreck but they could watch on video or tv. That's just almost shameful. And unnecessary tragedy.

[@arturobandini4078]

@@OliverInternational really? Because he made the film?

[@martinmendez695]

Safety is absolute... You play with fire, and you get burned.

[@uhu597]

Wow, I'm sure his "speech" about those onboard being 'rich adventurer types' will really make their families proud.

[@jeaniechampagne8831]

Speaks for itself even without one word.

[@smiskowiak]

As far as I'm concerned, dives to Titanic should be now illegal. The wreck happened in 1912. Over 1,200 people lost their lives. I understand that learning about the wreck and analyzing it was important research. But that's been done 10 times over now. At this point, the Titanic site should be declared a grave site. And it should be left to rest in peace with no further expeditions.

[@pR1mal.]

I just read a story about how WWII wrecks are being salvaged for their steel. Dynamited to break them up, and loaded onto ships with cranes. With the war dead still aboard.

[@Smytjf11]

​@@pR1mal.If that vessel ever gets caught in open waters again, Britain is within its rights to seize that ship and sink it over the wreck site in compensation.

[@Ash-nh6li]

It wasn't even that long ago

[@fedfreds832]

Over 1500 died

[@contagiousintelligence5007]

That doesn’t matter. Old cemeteries get exhumed. I wish the whole ship could be taken to the surface, but it’s not going to happen.

[@MrSocko-vn7fw]

Yes, safety is in fact relative. Relative to your survival chances.

[@14guitars67]

If you spent $250,000 on something, you are extremely likely to say it was life changing, no matter the experience. And to this point, seeing a sunken ship with perhaps some bones of passengers and crew on it seems like a mundane event. It's the risk and the cost and the bragging rights that gave it value. Otherwise these folks could visit the USS Arizona FOR FREE and have a "life-changing experience".

[@fidelcatsro6948]

even bones would have dissolved away by now....i wouldve spent 250k building a mansion from reinforced mud with carbon fiber rebars and called it a life changing experience

[@ostschnaller]

if the 250k was your livesavings maybe, but thats peanuts for those people.

[@johnnymoreno5065]

They probably want the experience because we all know the Titanic will dissolve one day due to rust and erosion under the ocean but I wouldn't risk it myself lol

[@FJB-TRUMP2024]

ATLEAST we know four of them passengers are very very wealthy. I wonder if murder applies here

[@davidhuang777]

$250,000 to these guys is like you buying a ticket to disney land

[@JackTavern629]

Beavis and Butthead wouldn't have even gotten in this thing....

[@noseefood1943]

I once took a submarine ride in Hawaii that went down 175ft, to go down 13000ft it has to be exponentially more robust like million times more…

[@RobinMasters007]

I notice that when they speak about the expertise of the “crew” they don’t mention the business man who took his 19 year old son down there with him. What was that guy thinking?

[@LADY-E.COMEDY]

Terrible decision

[@emlee5905]

Ego and arrogance given to them by privilege

[@KiyokoSa]

Two generations lost

[@jhwstar3]

@@KiyokoSa let's keep a positive mind here. There's always a chance. I really hope they are rescued.

[@jhwstar3]

@@cg4806 😞😞😞😞

[@marry1321]

I thought there was an expert "guide" with them, but no! Its just a CEO. That's beyond insane

[@sputnikalgrim]

All risk is calculated some more than others. From what I’ve been hearing in reports there’s just that one tiny window in the front and the passengers don’t really see much of anything so they go down there just to say they did it. Watch a documentary from your couch and wake up tomorrow with your loved ones.

[@CKing-388]

Bunch of over arrogant submarine nuts who thought they could build something better than commercial companies. This sub had more failed missions and issues than they have had successful missions. It was a tragedy waiting to happen.

[@Nepomniachtchi_Austin]

Even without this tragedy you couldnt PAY me a quarter million dollars, or any amount of money to do something like this.

[@sonjabridgeman6454]

The thought of them running a machine off of video game controller is mind-blowing this is not safe at all

[@rearspeaker6364]

yep a Chinese knock-off of one!!

[@tx3851]

These "adventure types" may be happy putting themselves at risk, for a "kick", but when it goes wrong, they put a far greater number of dedicated professionals at needless risk....

[@markarmage3776]

Well, he was correct. Unfortunately the customers probably wanted safety relative to the industry standard.

[@oliround]

Remember this, the gentleman that got fired from this company for saying that it was insufficiently constructed and lacking and safety at deep levels of water is real. Try to pay attention as it's only going to get more complex

[@naminhabolsamala3062]

But if you complains about anything to your employer you will be sacked it’s normal . I got a new job I saw something that I was no happy but the first time in life I kept my mouth shut and thought about my family and priorities as in the past I got sacked for seeing the same thing and opened up my voice . Never again

[@andreal7056]

If I had all the money in the world 🌎 I would NOT go down there in that submarine NOT a chance in hell

[@1977edd]

But you don't have all the money in the world. So nobody really cares👍😭

[@travelchic908]

He couldn't wrap his head around the reality that death was a possibility, the way he talks about the CEO in present and future tense. I wonder what he would say now about this?

[@livelytreasures]

I hope that dad stuck with his son is kicking that CEO's a$$ right now, with his last breath. That CEO spewed half truths to get fools to go along.

[@markschlehr6911]

The portal was an off the shelf item only certified to 1300m. The fact that it was used several times to 4000m is insane and it's probably what failed. The fact that the company never revealed that detail is criminal.

[@maxsmith695]

It was likely engineered for 3 times that level. That industry is unregulated and there is no government oversight. Imagine if the airlines were operated with no regulations, as to the design of planes. Imagine if there was no regulations on when a Big country can attack a Small weak country. That would be the USA since 1791. Imagine if being a bully was promoting as being a special person.

[@ArnoldJudasRimmer..]

Now I am not doubting this for one minute sir.. I just do not understand how someone who is as experienced as that pilot. Knowing that information about the viewing portal. Would still go down and pilot that thing regardless multiple times? And the CEO! Or did they hide that info from him?

[@purplebutterfly314]

A guy that worked there noted how dangerous it was and he got fired and sued

[@markschlehr6911]

@@purplebutterfly314 right. In the paperwork of the lawsuit the company revealed the limitations of the portal . It wasn't even the whistleblower that disclosed that, even though he was the one being sued for breaking company confidentiality. According to the article I read.

[@maxsmith695]

@@ArnoldJudasRimmer.. This was all public info. Experience keeps an expensive school. Some will learn in no other.