Living Off Grid in LA - Safety Third 85

[@mrduck12345678]

My parents have a creek running through their land and Will is totally right. There are lots of rules around what you are allowed to do. Cannot reroute it, dump in it, make dam, generator, etc. You can however build a bridge over it or swim in it (in Washinton state, it may be different in California). Also, in regard to demolition: There existed an abandoned elementary school in my neighborhood for my entire childhood, which was never demolished and rebuilt into something else because it was extremely expensive to destroy because of special permits and the specific location. Then some warehouse company bought it, and within 6 months somebody mysteriously decided to commit arson in the middle of the night and burnt the whole place to the ground. They are now developing it into a warehouse, and IMO the arson was very likely committed by the company trying to develop the land. No one was caught or charged for the arson. Kevin, that dome idea exists in the Seattle aquarium, you should check it out! This episode was a banger guys, keep it up! :)

[@voinea12]

that's cool, and also a good idea thanks for the advice

[@3nertia]

That same mysterious arson thing happened to one of our buildings here as well - rumor has it they paid a homeless man to set the fire

[@jacobp8294]

​@@3nertiagood strategem. I'll employ this in my future business ventures

[@juancena1259]

Nutso. That reminds me of my friends parent's house. A trucking company approached her mom about buying the land that her (very beautiful) home was situated on, right in a beautiful wildflower field, between a creek and a highway. One day when my friend (who didn't have a car) was home, but her parents weren't (so no cars home) she saw some guys tredging through the creek mysteriously close to the runoff pipe from their home, looking at something. The next morning she woke up to a very flooded basement. Her mom didn't believe her story, but after a few days of sitting with the 'what am i going to do with this food damage' got bombarded with that sweet buy offer again and sold. Now it's a fenced-in parking lot for dump trucks. No more wildflowers.

[@aarongagne8918]

It's not stealing pallets, it's urban lumberjacking!

[@nat7278]

33:39 best bear story I ever heard was of this 11yo Alaskan kid who was poking around a garbage dump and poked what he thought was a bag but it turned out to be a huge bear. The kid heard if could hug the bear it’s hard for them to get to you. He was wearing a very bulky winter coat so while the bear was frantically clawing at his coat he stabbed the bear with a hunting knife he was wearing and successfully killed it. All by himself alone. He said it forever changed his entire outlook on life. He didn’t tell anyone till years later. He said he had Insane confidence and perspective the rest of his life because of the incident.

[@SheWhoWalksSilently]

Can confirm, I was the bear 💀

[@ellis90009]

Pallets depend on the store. Walmart for example has a system where the pallets are returned to the warehouse and reused so you would be stealing pallets from Walmart but harbor freight for example just puts them out and hope that people take them.

[@C017ON]

I bought land earlier this year and I've been dealing with the exact same problems learning about all the rules and permits required to do literally anything with the land that I own. This episode hit home so bad and I'm fuming thinking about it

[@3nertia]

Welcome to capitalism!

[@JD2jr.]

@@3nertia That's.... literally the opposite of capitalism.

[@3nertia]

Profits over People!

[@Tunkkis]

​@@3nertia The word you're looking for is bureaucracy. You know who had a fuckload of bureaus? The SSSR.

[@3nertia]

@@Tunkkis I think you mean "capitalists" or "dictators" - bureaucracy is just another tool they use to subjugate us. For millennia the privileged and educated have ruled over the poor and uneducated and they'll use whichever [contemporary] buzzwords get the idiots to fall on their proverbial swords for their masters. We've literally never had socialism/communism because the predators in charge have never allowed it. That's why this list of rebellions/revolutions is so long: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_revolutions_and_rebellions

[@BazaarGamer]

As an urban planner this hurt me and reminded me why we need to simplify our regulations, but also why it's hard to do so. Just want to say its complicated if you have questions call up the planning and zoning and building departments they're there to help.

[@reneheidrich7833]

If you do a zoom episode with Colin Furze to talk about secret tunnels you could have Nigel on the episode 🤯

[@venkaramon]

Live + zoom doesn't work well. The discord delay is extremely jarring and it disrupts the entire thing

[@mrkrusher29]

uk planning permission laws are kinda wack, as far as i understand it you need permission for anything people will notice/see, but you dont need permission if your construction unnoticed for 6 months or something without any objections, or at least theyre a lot more lenient. Hence Colin hiding his tunnel from his neighbours for a while.

[@anj000]

@@mrkrusher29 so you could place a single brick under the bush, keep it there for 6 months, and then build the rest of the house without any permit?

[@mrkrusher29]

@@anj000 in no way did i say that.

[@JobiWanKenobi804]

Please bring the special guest Nigel back.

[@7-ten]

*Bring back Nigel, nerds!*

[@CalypsoLee]

he lies too much and tries to one-up everyones stories all the time. Honestly hes fine to just make his own stuff

[@JobiWanKenobi804]

I don want to be rude but I haven't seen this happen before, may I get a link to an episode here this happens. I just want to see for my self@@CalypsoLee

[@trashtrash2169]

What is bro on?

[@JobiWanKenobi804]

that's what I am trying to figure out@@trashtrash2169

[@walfman100]

When I lived in texas, my cousin bought a small old metal warehouse wanting to live there, but due to zoning and how you get permits, he decided to 'renovate' the warehouse and built two 'offices'. He was allowed to have sinks, a fridge, and a shower, but the shower had to be a chemical shower, so he did the drain and shower for inspection and then enclosed it after the structure was finished. After the 'offices' were complete, he got another permit to re-side the metal building, so he basically built a new building with proper permitting, but becasue they were separated 'renovations' the code compliance was way less strict and the only thing he had to actually get from the city was final inspection for the 'offices' and the only design change was that there had to be inwardly facing windows because every room needed two methods of egress.

[@That_Chemist]

3:50 General Sam also uses a face-tracking camera which does more or less the same thing

[@bongmuon]

Kevin I have had the same idea but instead you find a quarry pit and make a glass roof that is sealed about 10 ft below the ground level the entire size of the pit and fill that with water. Then you can build below it and have full sunlight and cooling with the water. Bonus points if you build a waterfall into a pond inside that you pump back up to the surface for a nice water feature.

[@machnesntsn_ind.]

I think you should bring nile (mr) green again but honestly nile red would be also cool.

[@ac.creations]

Would be hilarious if the fake Nile became the regular host while nigel is hiding in Canada procrastinating his next video while drinking concerning amounts of milk

[@noodlelynoodle.]

​@@ac.creationsthe problem is fake Nigel is in Australia which is even harder than real Nigel lol

[@Jan-de-Munck]

All that tunnel chat and no mention of topdog Collin Furze??

[@trashtrash2169]

Europe has nothing to do with USA.

[@benwilliams1267]

This is literally the most dream KZbin combination ever - also speakeasy is a ridiculously underrated song

[@berttorpson2592]

When you talk about running for mayor / city council, there’s actually a king of the hill episode where Hank runs for city council to allow for high flow toilets

[@juffkasvennsson4609]

It amazes me that with alle this tunnel talk, colin furzes name did not got dropped once.

[@epicthief]

1:27:00 pallets left outside of grocery stores are free. I worked at couple grocery stores as a facilities person. Pallets that are good are put directly from the store into the trucks. Pallets left outside are there to be destroyed... but we pray that people come by and make them dissappear

[@MiddlePath007]

1:16:41 the dome would have water pressure on all sides. The water wouldn't "know" if air was in there or cement or jello. 1:18:54 my brother in law did this based on pool rules in his city and he became mayor. Within a few months, his city was filled with peaceful protests, in 2020, in the pacific northwest. He quit.

[@GerinoMorn]

The dome question is dependent on whether you want your lair pressurised or not. Unpressurised you want the plexi panels of the underwater dome to be put from the outside, as there is no gas pressure acting on them from the inside, that isn't also acting on the water above. This asumes you have literally some kind of "tube" leading up and outside, with just air flowing freely. It is prob the best option for a lair you just want hidden somewhat. The pressurised option becomes a must at a certain depth, because then you need the air pressure to counteract like you know, thousands of litres of water xD

[@kylekalmbach]

Funny enough, we have a gold mine in Alaska. The claims anyways. You actually have air rights with property as well as mineral rights. So how they build skyscrapers and stuff is they buy the air rights for the buildings around and use them for the one building. And my dad was a homesteader and land developer in Alaska. Every piece of property he sold he kept the mineral rights. So like if there's gravel on it, they had to talk to him to move it. He ran gravel pits mostly. When you homestead you actually get up to 150 acres. And in the interior of Alaska I believe they still do homesteading. It's just hella remote. Also I'm a carpenter/handyman in LA, I could totally help Alex build whatever he wants on his land. You don't need a permit for a ceiling fan. It's more like structural and plumbing things

[@GamePlague]

I've never worked at walmart but the place I have worked at that used pallets would store them outside before sending them back to the warehouse to be reused.

[@ryhen7062]

all this permit talk is making me anxious for the future.

[@droppedpasta]

If only you guys knew somebody who knows chemistry to ask all these questions of

[@trashtrash2169]

Someone that convenient could never exist.

[@nat7278]

1:02:10 I’ve seen those belt driven multi ceiling fans in a McMinimans restaurant. I instantly wanted them also

[@malik740]

The house of my parents had shredd newspapers as insulation in the walls some pieces were large enough to read and most were from 1936

[@travishunter8573]

The weight of the water would hold it down. Buoyancy only works if water can get under the structure

[@EddSjo]

Flabbergasted that they don't know this. :(

[@Tunkkis]

See, I was thinking that might be the case, but figured I was missing some detail. Is this what gaslighting feels like?

[@jeepspeedracer]

Definitely need the Furze on to explain his tunnels

[@noahgeerdink5144]

My stepdad could only get an office permit for the development of one of the sheds on his farm, so he built the kitchen and beds all on wheels to make sure the space could always be converted back to an office.

[@DanYosua]

“The kids were going at it like seagulls” 🤣🤣

[@bassybossy]

Whitaker Wright’s Lea Park estate in Godalming, England has an underwater smoking/ball room with a facetted glass dome. It was constructed in one of several artificial lakes on the estate.

[@BeanerMan13]

20:34 There's a weird audio thing

[@dvoid4968]

Concerning the glass panels thing, I'm pretty sure that the water would hold all of the glass panels down, even the ones on the top. If the air pressure in the habitat is at the same pressure as it is at the surface of the pond, then the pressure on the inside would just be atmospheric pressure but on the outside it would be the weight of the water plus atmospheric pressure. So I think that 27.68 inches of water exert 1 psi, so you would need about 34 feet of water per extra atmosphere of pressure.

[@35mmpistol]

There are lots of places to gold pan legally in the US, in CO and CA! I used to drive out and pan when living in SF!

[@ryhen7062]

know any places in British Columbia?

[@35mmpistol]

@@ryhen7062 Not offhand, but theirs tons of places! Dan Hurd is based out of the vancouver area and has a very active youtube about gold panning in that region!

[@bobbygetsbanned6049]

This is the most adult conversation that has ever happened on Safety Third lol.

[@anj000]

"So it was oldschool?" "Yeah it was cool" Cracked me up

[@larsrademakers6070]

@25:10 the dutch youtube channel named here is called :"spuiten en slikken" they arent recording new episodes but they have tried a lot, very educational, i would guess most of them have subtitles for the ones interested

[@PoisonTheOgres]

I think the channel is Drugslab, but it's part of Spuiten en Slikken

[@kauboy9816]

In Texas, if you own the mineral rights to your property, you own anything and everything under you to the very core of the earth. This is true in most places. As for airspace, you generally own between the first 500 and 1000 feet above your roof, but this is not a hard limit and can be argued for more or less depending on the land and how it's to be used.

[@GroundByte]

should note, if you go deep enough underwater. The water will just compress or dissolve into the water. So I'll guess the pressure would be acting on it on all sides keeping the glass in place on the sides simply with friction.

[@HalftonJohnson]

Nigel and Alex do need to meet

[@otrgamer3196]

As a truck driver while there are still people that do meth but not as much as we use to cuz it was used cuz we drove like 16 to 20 hours a day but now that we are regulated to at most 11 hours a day we don't need it to much any more but weed is huge out here

[@mitch.mac01]

The guest was competely lost when u guys first started talking about the underwater fort. I was right alongside you guys really questioning whether the forces would be pushing the glass out or inwards.

[@mtylerryan]

I worked as an intern at an Architectural Firm and - when I was there, they had a whole shitload of up-cycled shit. Like a re-surfaced bowling lane for a big ass table. Anyway, wanted to point out that their insulation was just shredded denim. Just, jeans that were literally shredded to pulp!

[@robsyoutube]

Oh god the don't make meth section reminded me of working with John McAfee so much. I laughed my ass off so much its just like the type of crap he use to talk about at the bar.

[@Red4ty]

Did he kill himself though I must know or is it CIA

[@greenwaterrr]

there are definitely grizzlies in montana everyone who lives here knows of someone who had one on their doorstep

[@LoganLovell]

A couple things: I'm an engineer for a power utility.... pretty much everything Will said is accurate lol. Also, at an old job I had, we got in trouble for destroying the shitty pallets. Apparently, the shipping company actually owns them and they can be worth a couple hundred depending on what style so you are typically expected to return them to the shipping company. This probably varies from place to place but as far as I understand it, you definitely can't take pallets from behind stores...legally that is

[@juancena1259]

Oh i missed Alex

[@Joubes]

You should greenscreen Nigel in. Just get a green speedsuit and stuff it and put it in a chair and overlay it with Nigel

[@Tunkkis]

A lot of old Finnish houses use sawdust and newspapers as insulation.

[@ft6637]

You should talk to ColinFurze about digging a tunnel 😅 he also can tell you, what health care and education are like here in Europe 😅 We don't need to decide between education and building a tunnel... But I think you still need some permit for the tunnel...

[@slappomatthew]

You can disconnect from the grid, it’s not even expensive but if you want to go back it’s 10’s of thousands to reconnect

[@littleshopofrandom685]

I built a "tiny house" no permit shed, and the rules here are a bathroom, a kitchen, and a sleeping area is a "house". I wanted initially to "live" in there while my house was being renovated. Nope. Weirdly, I am in the only place in canada where a real tiny house is actually legal, but it still has to be a properly permitted building to code. The ones on trailers do not count. They want 200-800sqft. By those rules, my actual main house is a "tiny house" though. They may have missed the point :)

[@3nertia]

No, they're on point and the point is profit :)

[@littleshopofrandom685]

@@3nertiaNot here. They don't make any money on it. A permit for a tiny house is $280 with no development fees (a normal new house is as much as 100k in permits and fees). They just want nice livable structures to help with housing demand. But 800sqft is crazy big.

[@3nertia]

@@littleshopofrandom685 Lolwhat? So they don't make $280 for the permit on a "tiny house" they had no labor or even material costs into? Do I have that right? They don't make any money on it? ROFLMEYERWIENER

[@littleshopofrandom685]

@@3nertia permit costs 280 I said. as opposed to 100,000 for a full sized house. 280 covers the person checking the plans and the inspection. its also 280 if you built a garage.

[@3nertia]

@@littleshopofrandom685 So they charge $280 for permission to build something they're not gonna help build in any way and have no vested interest in ... And you see nothing wrong with this, really? :/

[@NGaming2017]

Another great episode. When are you going to have me on? Haha I'm just playing around. Anyways I hope you guys have a great day.

[@roentgen226]

Have electroboom on the podcast

[@masonlee2219]

Happy Thanksgiving!

[@RenSauceMan]

Get yourself a composting toilet. I tried one at an airbnb in the middle of nowhere and it was cool.

[@CalypsoLee]

Great video!

[@xzilinov]

27:40 I suffer from very severe insomnia and for a very brief moment, without thinking about it, I got really excited that I could legally get meth

[@yairakatz8688]

Mini series of Alex's shed misadventures!

[@maddy8253]

do you guys ever visit universities? I go to Milwaukee school of engineering and i know it would be so fun to have you guys do a talk here we also have some structural engineers that could tell you about building tunnels haha

[@Partigrade]

Faa controls all airspace in the US. If you did jump a dirt bike it would be completely legal. IANAL however.

[@ForkliftQ]

Here for the spaghetti stay for the sauce

[@duskpede5146]

the air would push up on the dome while the water would push in on the sides

[@danielwgk]

Oh good, they're making me miss Cameraman John.

[@freezedTIM]

I think this episode made me believe that Will and Kevin are actually adults

[@lastnamefirstname8655]

another guest! nice!

[@guildardaze1438]

1:03:51 reminds me a lot of things. But yea. A lot of us dreamed of tunneling down. And as i got older i realised. I am willing to dig for a decade. But you really should use a power tool. Theres someone activly digging under his own house. Its not a secret anymore but yea. I wonder what the laws are there. I love your stuff and don't want to just promote others but if you want to look it up. "2 Much ColinFurze" Just dug a hole under his house. Probably in the UK which i feel the soil must be way more damp and terrifying of an endeavor. And since his whole channel is entirely based on it. He just keeps digging more. I wonder if his house will cave in in a sink hole at some point. But some people actually do things like these. IDk what the laws are in other countries but yea. Keep suing is a strategy. But you need to find different reasons and also drag it out. If you sue too much you can be liable for slowing down the court. You can get in trouble for that. It doesnt happen often. But it does happen.

[@anon_rth35jh45yjn]

very special indeed

[@lilducko]

I would've never guessed this collab

[@DoctorSheepInc]

Just move to the middle of nowhere Nebraska. You can do whatever you want!

[@rmconnelly5]

A joke about Nigel not being here.

[@jpvansplunder]

"20 minute episodes" best quote

[@ZikaENVT]

He has such Norm Macdonald energy

[@SatanSupimpa]

When will you go to England and record an episode of the podcast inside Colin Furze's house tunnel?

[@TheEthanification]

27:53 I spit my tea out that was hilarious about perscribing meth

[@samuelwilliams2266]

Did William move to Florida or did Kevin move to California? How are they able to record together? And where does Alan live?

[@flyingfool5215]

I enjoy the ceiling fan talk for some odd reason

[@Flyinghook]

at least where I am, you don't have to use power, but you do have to pay the service fees regardless, unless it's a never developed plot, then you just don't hook up power and that's legal.

[@DasVERMiT]

1:11:24 - This already exists... it's known as the "Underwater Ballroom"

[@LittleGreenFire]

I enjoyed the part with Nigel! (edit: just to be clear I actually liked the whole episode.)

[@eyespliced]

_"Meth is what keeps the world going, man."_ lmfao

[@H3nryum]

5:40 definitely can get an AI camera man to do that, have multiple cameras following different things in the scene and then either you or the ai can sort through the videos and properly follow the action you want to.

[@Maou3]

It's not that it's impossible, it's that it's currently difficult. Writing a policy function for comedic timing is difficult because it's difficult to define comedy. The actual robotics infrastructure is there, it's a sociology problem.

[@Mike__B]

There was that car exploding at the US/Canada border... Nigel probably had something to do with that.

[@Moto_Medics]

23:59 haha saaaaame

[@juffkasvennsson4609]

Great episode, but please turn up the volume or something. It is pretty low in volume.

[@senfdame528]

Back door scientist

[@IBHiNation]

Hey I'm a gold planner in Colorado! It's all about mineral rights.

[@cookro2]

Meth may have been pretty prevailent in the past in trucking. but we are so over controlled its not to common now. now cattle haulers and farm hands may still like them toothpicks.

[@juube94]

Colin Furze and JerryRigEverything are making bunkers if you need inspiration

[@god_child4204]

just make a bell diver tipe beat dome and put it in the poel/lake

[@BrandEver117]

You actually do own your airspace up to a certain point, which is why you can't just fly drones around on other people's property

[@itsConflan]

now i acnt wait for the episode where u guys are sitting in the weeds on alexs property

[@nrok113]

many places will not allow people to live there if it is not connected to the grid. they will condemn the house

[@batt3ryac1d]

Oh that nose spray is the GOOD SHIT

[@CheezeWuz]

Don't sport cameras follow the action?

[@ally_chat]

I love the anti government stuff. Interesting to learn about how many laws my grandmother (who lives sorta off grid) is possibly breaking.

[@Tunkkis]

Soon someone's bound to approach her with a shotgun he wants to get shortened.

[@bruhspenning]

please make a list and send it into your local police station

[@951meatjr]

1:17:43

[@Desoda_is_my_name_or_something]

Yup crazy

[@jarrodhoule8134]

You guys should have Nile red as a special guest

[@GerinoMorn]

You prob can't make tunnels. You can, however, landscape. And maybe there is a difference between "temporary" and "permanent" stuff.

[@EliCowan-l1c]

What if you provide the chat with a picture of baking materials and have them program a “recipe” into the robot. Irl the baking materials are… not baking materials. Then the chat thinks they are making bread but actually, not bread. 🧠