Safi'jiva's Infinite Pottential - Monster Hunter Lore

[@ZennyHunter]

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[@anthonyroberts7486]

Small correction, Fatalis was never in the New World. We traveled to Castle Schrade in the old world to fight him.

[@ZennyHunter]

This is such an obvious oversight on my part haha, luckily I didnt go too much into detail with that point - Still the question stands if he awoke because of Safi but yes not in the new world!

[@nimbusws2566]

Could you imagine if they continued the astera-based expeditions plot line for Wilds and the sixth fleet came in following a god damn black dragon across the sea? XD

[@ghostboy4604]

@@nimbusws2566 dont do that, dont give me hope

[@Amon_Teivel]

@@ZennyHunter Actually, may I make a theory? See, Fatalis has always been known as the civilization destroying black dragon. He hates humans with a vengeance, likely because of the old human civilization being tyrants that enslaved elder dragons and killed thousands of them. So, we as the humans begin to grow in power as new threats emerge. First it was Xeno. Then Shara. Then Safi. Then Alatreon. I think the reason Fatalis woke up is because he could sense that humans were growing strong again. Killing a black dragon and Safi was the tipping point. Beckoning Fatalis to rise once more to bring balance to the world by eliminating the humans who began to grow too powerful. He is somewhat considered a natural predator to humans in a way.

[@Ashamran]

@@Amon_Teivel I personally think a lot of the information we know about fatalis is just fearmongering by the Guild. As far as I know, black fatalis has never actually left Schrade, and crimson and white fatalis are both nowhere near active population centers. I think fatalis are just normal (albeit very intelligent) elder dragons who took revenge against Schrade for colonizing their home and driving them out.

[@MorgothZEone]

I’d like to imagine that whatever final form exists for the Jiiva’s it will be equivalent to Old Fatalis. That concept art with the eastern inspired head is what I imagine the final form would look like.

[@ZennyHunter]

Something big is certainly being set up with this, I think a new tier of power level might be introduced

[@SpecLeader101]

I could see it turn into a black dragon with sapphire wings for an elder form. If Wilds is set in the new world we could see something in the expansion.

[@thmistrapillay1811]

What's funny is that the Safi'jiiva we fight is the weaker than the Safi'jiiva that could've grown from the original Xeno'jiva. This is because Safi'jiiva is birthed from the bio-energy from the guiding lands & Zorah..... the Xeno'jiva we fought was birthed from the bio-energy from the ENTIRE New World including the 2 Ancient Dalamadurs that were *_individually_* bigger than Zorah..... If THAT Xeno'jiva grew up he'd be the undisputed No.1 powerful entity in MH, and probably slightly larger than Dire Maralis

[@ZennyHunter]

Maybe there's yet another Xeno somewhere out there soaking up more energy than both the other 2 we fought combined? Only time will tell, either that or it will forever be left a mystery...

[@goobo9357]

@@thmistrapillay1811 I doubt the Xeno we fought gained the energy from the 2 dalamadur. They seem far more ancient than the adolescent Xeno we fight. An older Xeno probably consumed those. Then again we don’t exactly know the gestation period of a Xeno’Jiiva so this is just me speculating.

[@carlosgarabatosferro883]

I think you're exaggerating that hypothetical power a bit. Also absorbing the energy of a corpse doesn't mean you're literally absorbing the monster's power. Depending on how you look at it, Safi would still have a biological limit and in a hypothetical almost infinite bioenergy Safi would not reach infinite size or power. Ignoring the fact that Xeno did not absorb all of the bioenergy of the entire new world but only a small concentrated area located in it, those two Dalamadurs are fossils, apparently from a much older ancestor than the current Dalamadurs, so it is assumed that they lost bioenergy long ago.

[@99Livesx]

Safi was not in full control of the energy it had and was still gathering more it makes too much sense for it to have another form

[@ZennyHunter]

Even if there isn't another form I believe she would still get stronger for that exact reason. Even in the Xeno fight as I mentioned you see it gradually get better at controlling it, safi would absolutely do the same. Hope to see her return!

[@AGREY-p1s]

Remember at the end of the siege when Safi’jiiva activated the Supercritical state? I think that is what Safi’jiiva has been trying to do this whole time and that’s why it was gathering energy.

[@ZennyHunter]

@@AGREY-p1s Supercritical is sort of a double edged sword though, she gains power but also takes more damage/becomes vunerable in more areas. I think supercritical is an unfinished form where she is using more energy than her current body can handle. Maybe she needs to continue developing a tolerance to use a larger quantity effectively?

[@davetolentino8973]

I think Safi is very careful of spending it's bioenergy reserves because it's cocoons need them the most while also replenishing it's own strength.

[@drain5805]

Safiest Jiva

[@sarbe6625]

Fatalis can't just regenerate from his heart and eyes afaik, but also from any gear a hunter would make out of Fatalis parts, slowly corrupting the hunter and warping them into a new Fatalis. That's why it's armor is so good, to draw you in to using it, and that's why Fatalis can always come back after being slain besides it being THE Fatalis every time. And I think a similar thing would happen if another monster somehow defeated Fatalis. They'd consume it, use it to gain strength, and then they'd become the foundation for a nee Fatalis. One that's even more monstrous than the last one.

[@ZennyHunter]

From what I've found yes you're right it isnt 100% confirmed, just rumoured to be the case with a few pieces of supporting evidence. I'd like to think it's true from a speculation perspective, I also like your theory if a monster was to consume Fatalis - A lot of possibilities for sure!

[@carlosgarabatosferro883]

​@@ZennyHunter It is true that there is no evidence beyond the lore. The only evidence would be Fatalis' sword stuck in ice, which is in a constant state of regeneration, the fact that in frontier the armor is able to control you after you faint, or the fact that the palico's armor literally turns it into Fatalis, although I see that more as a parody.

[@joshuawells7415]

@@carlosgarabatosferro883 The legends could be a warning of what could happen when the armor was made with a lost technology that the sword was also made with that causes this regeneration.

[@Fatalaodragao]

An unfortunate detail here. Without any mistranslations, it is stated in the Iceborne book that Safi'jiiva rivals Fatalis in design alone. Also, I find it strange that Fatalis only woke up after Safi's defeat, my theory is that Safi'jiiva's death could be a huge blow to nature, causing Fatalis to wake up and punish humans for their sins.

[@Tyztube21]

I heard that Alatreon and Fatalis started appearing in response to Safi’jiva existence. Alatreon because it deemed the red dragon a threat and was compatible in dealing with it and the eggs in its nest while Fatalis saw Safi as a worthy opponent to see who’s King of the Monsters. Not sure if accurate but it would describe how much a threat the Red Emperor truly is.

[@Auvisome]

Safi got the most potential out of all of the first class threats. While Fatalis and Alatreon are stronger, they are stagnant for the most part. Safi's entire ability to grow stronger by absorbing bio-essence essentially gives him infinite potential. If Safi absorbed Alatreon, Fatalis would get clapped.

[@ZennyHunter]

This is certainly something I would love to be elaborated on. I personally hope that safi is the start of a new classification of monsters!

[@kingdamazo7266]

@Auvisome let's be real, being able to wield multiple elements wouldn't make much of a difference, otherwise we'd see Alatreon itself trying to overthrow Fatalis already

[@Auvisome]

@@kingdamazo7266 not the point. The bio-energy that Alatreon possesses can easily amp Safi. Also Elemental proficiency is cracked fym? Counters to every time of foe. Fatty himself is weak to Dragon.

[@kingdamazo7266]

@Auvisome you're making the _assumption_ that the energy Safi has access to is equal to or greater than Fatalis' power. Safi already wields dragon element so Alatreon's dragon element is redundant against Fatalis. To be clear, I like Safi, but she's getting folded for two reasons. She's inexperienced & she relies on an outside source for power. Let's say the two have a fight, one fight in Safi's lair & another at Castle Schrade. First fight scenario, the two tussle for a while before Fatalis flys up & burns Safi's entire nest to the ground, releasing/burning up her bioenergy reserves before she can use them, Safi must now flee or die. Second fight scenario, Safi after absorbing _all_ available bioenergy seeks out Fatalis & is able to overpower/injure him. However despite his smaller size he's resilient enough that her physical attacks can't kill him & her lasers can't burn his hide, Safi uses up the extra bioenergy she had & is now back to her standard power & once again must now flee before Fatalis retaliates or she will die.

[@Auvisome]

@@kingdamazo7266 the element part is not relevant to my argument. I’m talking about the pure essence and energy that can be extracted from something as powerful as a black dragon, would more than likely tip the scale. Brother, I don’t care for your ridiculous and arbitrary scenarios. I’m not talking about the Safijiva we fought. I’m talking about a hypothetical Safijiva that was able to continue to siphon bio energy, eventually getting Alatreon's after we kill it. I’m saying with the amount of energy a black dragon possesses, would be enough to surpass Fatalis. I’m saying that hypothetical Safijiva is greater than the sum of its parts. The elemental affinity that it would get from Alatreon is just a cherry on top.

[@goofyahhvalstraxproductions]

ok so, watched the whole video, and I noticed a lot of common misconceptions which I can understand due to massive waves of misinformation throughout the entire community, things that have been going on for years at this point; let's clear things up: The reason Alatreon came to the New World and into the Secluded Valley is, as of the MHWI Divebook's section regarding Alatreon, to eliminate both Safi'jiiva and the cocoons it had left. Safi'jiiva was eliminated by us; the cocoons are seen being eliminated in Alatreon's very cutscene, the skin pieces which you are referring to when talking about Safi'jiiva possibly rebirthing. Another misconception is that of the "rebirth abilities" of Safi'jiiva and Fatalis, the big culprit here is the English Fandom Wiki, which to this day still says that Fatalis could have regenerative abilities that last long after its death. The main evidence for Fatalis' regeneration was the Black Blade in Pokke Village in MHGU, as there are legends surrounding its ability to regenerate endlessly. The problem here is that firstly, one of the minor plots in MHGU, iirc, is about tourism among villages, and how that legend about the Black Blade was likely made up for that. Secondly, even if it did have regenerative abilities, they most definitely aren't enough to bring back Fatalis to life; we can see that once in a while the mining point refreshes itself, and there's dialogue about the blade possibly regenerating, but no evidence on it completely regenerating into a new Fatalis. Edit: also wanted to point out that Fatalis stands on 2 legs yes, but never is it confirmed or implied that it does so to mock humans, same with melting hunters to its chest. Something about Fatalis' alignment that we know officially is from Kaname Fujioka (one of the series' directors), from the MH: Law of Ideas 2 Book, he points out how Fatalis should not be a purely evil being that only seeks destruction, but rather, its goals are meant to be entirely incomprehensible to us humans, so saying Fatalis is an evil guy that hates humans might not be accurate, but saying that it's beyond human comprehension I say is. Another misconception, Safi'jiiva was not designed to rival Fatalis, it was only designed as a twin of Fatalis from a purely visual perspective, something that was expanded onto gameplay as the siege mechanics of Safi'jiiva (and Kulve Taroth) are inspired by Gen1 Fatalis' multi-quest "siege". The true rival of Safi'jiiva is Alatreon, as is made clear in the MHWI Divebook, and implied in ingame dialogues multiple times. Alatreon is one of the few "Forbidden Monsters", basically Black Dragons: Alatreon, Dire Miralis, Fatalis and its variants. Forbidden Monsters are, as of probably the latest lore book released for 20th anniversary "MH Super Encyclopedia", extremely rare beings that are mostly shrouded in legends, and they're usually designed as the god tiers of Monster Hunter in terms of power, usually unrivaled. Safi'jiiva is not listed in the Super Encyclopedia as a Forbidden Monster, despite it being present in the book; it however rivals Alatreon. The rivalry between Alatreon and Safi'jiiva is basically a "creation/destruction" type cycle, and as of both ingame dialogue and the MHWI Divebook, it would have had catastrophic consequences for anything around them. The reason why Alatreon acted upon Safi'jiiva is because, as of the MHWI Divebook, Forbidden Monsters have a "planetary perception of territory", meaning that the entire world is their territory to them, and that if there's anything that could challenge them, they will act on it. Alatreon felt directly challenged by Safi'jiiva, and acted on it, and the outcome of their battle, as said earlier, would have been catastrophic, and the winner would have been unsure. Safi'jiiva also likely won't ever have a final form, for it is the final form. The reason for Safi'jiiva's "Perfect Lifeform" title is because it was meant to be a fully grown Xeno'jiiva, with every flaw of Xeno fixed and the strengths of it amplified. There is a singular implication that Safi'jiiva may still be growing, granted not through molting, the MHWI Divebook points out how Safi'jiiva's scales have dark edges, that seem to be as if the scales are gradually darkening. (SPECULATION INCOMING) It could be associated to something similar as Nergigante's spikes getting darker as they are exposed to the air and harden because of that, and it could also be a nod to Safi'jiiva being only an early adult, and also a nod to black dragons, but for now, this is all speculation. As for Fatalis being affected by Safi'jiiva, we have very few things to go off of: the main thing implying that Safi'jiiva may have reawakened Fatalis is a MHWI Divebook statement about maybe, Safi'jiiva has something to do with Fatalis' return, but nothing beyond that for Safi in specific. As for ingame statements, we have the General hinting/implying at Fatalis' return being related to the recent events surrounding other "catastrophic elder dragons", I assume this is about Shara and Ruiner, and then Safi and Ala. This is further supported by a dev note from the MHWI Divebook talking about how the events leading up to Fatalis, starting from the beginning of the game, are a gradual domino fall that lead to things happening after things, starting from the Elder's Crossing, to the Old Everwyrm Incident, leading up to the Guiding Lands, Safi'jiiva, Alatreon, and in the end, Fatalis is awakened from all the mess. Still, not much to say that it was Safi'jiiva's doing, and only specifically Safi's. As for power rankings, something that most people here are prolly curious about given the title of this video n stuff, I say Safi'jiiva and Alatreon should both be on the same page, maybe Safi'jiiva could be a bit higher for me, but generally speaking the fluctuate on the same exact tier. Fatalis, however, should remain unrivaled, based on the general theme of its storyline in Iceborne being that it required a massive joined operation with all the countries in the known world to stand the slightest of chance against it, how it's stated multiple times ingame that "if we don't (stop it), everything will perish", something that is further explained in the MHWI Divebook, evidencing that Fatalis could end all living things in an unseen disaster, referring to Fatalis as a "disaster that threatens all living beings", and the fact that the MHWI Divebook even goes out of its way to say that the statements of Fatalis "burning the entire world/everything down" are not a "figurative expression/metaphor, but a fact", and how it is, in multiple occasions, stated that Fatalis has power that "transcends" every lifeform and how it holds flames that could burn anyone and anything down, yeah I think it's safe to say that Fatalis is prolly just the strongest monster in Mainline Monster Hunter, aside from ig its own variants and maybe Dire Miralis if Capcom finally does something with it. I would list every single page and source here beyond just saying the titles of some MH books and stating ingame dialogues, but right now I'm kinda tired and this comment is more of a generalized thing rather than a whole lore drop. I also would say that trusting Fandom Wiki or youtubers like RageGamingVideos or Team DarkSide for lore doesn't work well a lot of the times. Hope you read this even if it's an extremely long comment, just wanted to clear things up, and goodbah

[@ZennyHunter]

Firstly I want to say thank you for this comment, I assure you I have read the whole thing but as its quite late here in the UK (and with work in the morning lol) I won't specifically address each section. You are absolutely correct in that my knowledge primarily stems from information provided in World itself with pieces of supporting information/evidence stemming from sources such as the wiki and other content creators. As you mentioned there's a lot of mistranslation out there that confuse the context of various quotes and written articles, as such a lot of this video circles around concepts of speculation and "potentials". The beauty of World is that in many ways it's a reintroduction of the franchise, built for a new generation of players such as myself to enter fresh as if this is a new starting point. While of course the previous games still serve as cannon, this "new world" feels to abide by its own rules. I guess this is a wishy washy way of saying that many players like me will look at MHW in isolation, as such I personally find it fun to view this story as "what could be" opposed to "what has been". I think moving forward I absolutely should brush up on my knowledge (starting with researching things from your comment!), I hope to do more like this leading up to Wilds :) I hope you enjoyed the video nonetheless from a visual/commentary perspective, would love to keep getting your feedback in the future!!

[@Auvisome]

Alatreon is stronger than Safi imo. Just makes sense given the progression of the story (and the in-game stats too).

[@goofyahhvalstraxproductions]

@@ZennyHunter thank you

[@goofyahhvalstraxproductions]

@@Auvisome fair

[@jeremiahtorrevillas4396]

Yep idiots think the top 3 wouldve be toppled judt like that If it did any larger elder dragon would already squeeze dmaller elders including fatalis

[@zephyrorsomethinh1528]

When it comes to the gear you can wear with Safi this is a decent arguement given that Fatalis' gear usually is implied or states that's it's alive and will eventually consume a hunter who wears it.

[@ZennyHunter]

Exactly! The fact that it activeley steals lifeforce from the user has to imply more than just a set effect

[@KAZEARC]

i feel like with safi in a 1v1 with fatalis is a 50/50 and with more room to grow in the future with more lore and in site to how much stronger it can get with more bio-energy. also fatalis game play wise is week to dragon and safi hits with dragon. i myself feel like Safi is stronger. and much cooler, i love that its absorbs bio energy. and that idea of it getting stronger. like a safi that was just chilling for 200 years sucking up energy is cool. on the topic of final bosses. i would love to see Oltura show up in a main line game, given that is can drive a continent into havoc before it is even born. and have all elements, a OS attack and only being a new born in MHS2, getting a main game rematch of it would be awesome.

[@Siege066]

I disagree, I see Safi as dangerous first class level but at the bottom below everyone else, maybe 50/50 in a fight with Alatreon. However with the whole absorbing bioenergy thing, Safi powerscaling is really just pure speculation unless Capcom releases more information as there could be a limit to how much Safi can absorb or how strong Safi could get. There could even be a point of too much energy for Safi, but we don't know.

[@ZennyHunter]

As Safi stands at the point in which we fight her, I think Fatalis is no question stronger - But yes you're right the question is how much stonger could safi have become, what are her limits and is this even her true final form?

[@Demonz2000]

I feel like a fully grown safi would fully depend on the environment, safi wins in his hometurf with bio energy, fatalis wins on his turf (low-no bio energy) but then again, safi will only ever win the battle, never the war, because fatalis is immortal

[@Siege066]

@@Demonz2000Fatalis immortality lore needs to be taken with a grain of salt. After Iceborne, Iceborne Fatalis is considered the only canonical fight in the franchise and Fatalis’s lore may have been retconned by Capcom (which wouldn’t be the first time they did something like that). For example, the black blade in Pokke village yes regrows showing the immortality but will likely never actually become another Fatalis. We need more official knowledge of Fatalis from Capcom but my leasing theory is that Fatalis, like every monster, is a species of monsters. That is the only way I can see Crimson Fatalis and Old Fatalis being canon aswell.

[@Siege066]

@@Demonz2000 Also, I personally believe that Safi wouldn’t win against Fatalis, an argument can be made against Alatreon sure. But everyone holds their own opinion.

[@Z3r0Ultima]

while i understand that safi has potential to be very strong, are we forgetting that white fatalis is the strongest fatalis? The Fatalis trio are, in fact, the same species. They just represent different stages of malevolent elder dragon development. Black fatty is the hatchling of the three. Since it needs a great deal of sustenance to grow it goes and attacks the most profitable source of food that doesn't fight back hard enough to be a problem, namely non-hunter humans. As such Schrade just happened to be the most convenient combination of food and shelter. Crimson is the in-between stage as Fatalis sheds to grow even more fiersome. Thus it seeks a far-off location where it can stay safe while it molts (hence the least HP of the three) and wouldn't you know it there just happens to be a cozy volcano that fits the bill. The improved fire abilites are due to the period of increased metabolism that the beast is going through. The meteors are just some elder dragon hi-jinks a la kushala wind barrier. Don't question how it works, it just does. And finally big daddy whitey is the adult (final) form. The reason it no longer has any fire abilities is due to the fact they were actually merely a by-product of its maturing process making way for the true powers it possesses by birthright (this is why black fatty has dragon on its weapons. Crimson on the other hand is mid-molt, as such the currently more pronounced fire replaces the still recessive dragon/lightining powers. Growing pains man. they be so bad they make you spit fire). based on this i would assume even if safi had room to grow... fatalis also has room to grow and i believe that white fatalis uses light and thunder as it has no shadows and only appears from eclipses and would only die at the hands of the older fatalis'

[@meremsolomon4744]

Agree

[@Frvnklin]

I really hope they buff Safi in Wilds and give him his ultimate more mature form, it's such a cool monster!

[@ZennyHunter]

agreed!

[@Nathanielgbo1]

I think I understand Safi'jiiva and it's role in the world. Safi'jiiva is the counterpart to the Black Dragons in that it has the exact opposite role as them. Black Dragons seem to drive all life away from themselves or aggressively seek isolation. Safi'jiiva on the other hand, invites other monsters into its vicinity and actively terraforms the lands to fill the needs of those invited. Safi'jiiva thrives on bioenergy, and is enticing monsters and elders to settle down in its domain Lair of the Lotus Eaters style. As the live their lives and eat streamstones or something, the new ecosystem accumulates and spreads its bioenergy. Safi takes its due, and the rest of the bioenergy eventually forms a new everstream(or another branch of an existing everstream). In Monster Hunter World, Xeno'jiiva was a nepo baby who inherited prime real estate and would have become an even more powerful Safi'jiiva than what we see in Iceborne. The Iceborne Safi was less fortunate with its nest placement, as it happened to be a little too close to Alatreon's domain. Alatreon like the Grinch he is, hated all of the Whos in Whoville and decided to attack the nest. He killed all of Safi's unhatched offspring and may have challenged Safi proper. I've heard that the lore book states that neither Alatreon or Fatalis were slain in Iceborne. (Dawn's Triumph) Alatreon was repelled and a heavily damaged Safi'jiiva(player scaling Safi update) and was slain after a being besieged. To anyone who actually read this wall of text: Congratulations 🎉 This last part is some random speculation to think about. Safi'jiiva shaped the Guiding Lands in a way that allows monsters to dip their toes in unfamiliar biomes with new food sources and competition. Are the selective pressures created by generations of Safi shenanigans leading to subspecies like Jade Barroth and Sand Barioth?

[@spikezilla54]

Man if safi got his claws on al and drew in his power...PHEW! i can't begin to imagine what fresh hell would be unleashed

[@nullpoint3346]

Xeno/Safi are effectively the Trifling Worm of Monster Hunter. Trifling Worm: a creature of infinite potential for destruction. The longer you let it live, the stronger it becomes AND the more rewarding killing it would be, encouraging you to kill it as quickly as possible OR delay killing it for as long as possible.

[@ZennyHunter]

It would be so cool for there to be a hidden underlying plot whereby an undiscovered monster is at a god level of power - Nooooo idea what our solution to that would be though haha

[@Nibelsnirf]

These are some theories I never thought about, good work

[@ZennyHunter]

Thank you, glad you enjoyed! :)

[@dbpaul27]

I always thought that safi is a newly grown dragon who doesn't have enough experience. I'd like to imagine that at some point it realizes that it's massive size is a disadvantage and further evolves to a more compact, more agile & stronger form. But i guess that's too farfetched.

[@ZennyHunter]

Seemingly there are multiple Safi'jiva's out there so while we assume this one is fairly young we don't know for sure - And who knows what's possible in this crazy world, a small safi would be incredibly annoying to hunt though haaha

[@dbpaul27]

@ZennyHunter I've always imagined it having the strength of fatalis, agility of p.malzeno and nova of alatreon. I guess that's too much though :D

[@kabuto1584]

WE NEED SAFI JIIVA VARIANTS, one that is black and incorporates mostly Fire and Dragon Energy and then a White one, like the White Fatalis which than uses Fire Electric and Dragon Energy plus the energy blasts it normally uses

[@Alatreon824]

I think of it as unlimited potential in Safi vs raw power in Fatalis

[@ZennyHunter]

Love that!

[@СлаваБарабанов-ч3щ]

Safi'jiiva and Fatalis, Alatreon is my favourite elder dragons.

[@memeboi3448]

Why am i always late to these videos? Anyways something to note about the idea of safi and fatalis having a rivalry is the saffire of the emperor attack. It can destroy a hunter who can survive countless insane attacks in an instant but doesn't do any damage to the rocks you can hide behind almost as if it is only useful against biological material. And what better way to kill a creature with insane regeneration then essentially a mini nuke that only really harms said dragon (and any unfortunate insects and other small animals in the area)

[@Siege066]

I believe that Safi is in dangerous first class tier but at the bottom of the barrel with potential to be the strongest. However, unless Capcom gives us more information, we dont know if there is the possibility of a limit to Safi’s strength and how much it can absorb. Or even there could be a point where Safi has too much bioenergy. But I would love to see an older Safi on the level of Fatalis or White Fatalis. Also Safi’s original design was planned to be black in color but was decided to be red because they didn't want all their really powerful monsters to only be black in coloration. Not to mention, Safi’s title is the red dragon, a parallel to Fatalis’s title of the black dragon, so Safi is definitely on the level of the black dragons.

[@ZennyHunter]

Yeah it's hard to gauge as we took her down before Alatreon had a chance to go head to head - Man I hope we see more from this!

[@hugo-pg5tv]

Safi is already top 2 in the leaderboard for powerful monsters mate

[@Siege066]

@@hugo-pg5tv You can make an argument of whether or not Safi is stronger than Alatreon however, I believe Alatreon is stronger than Safi. Safi is weaker than Fatalis and Dire Miralis is possibly stronger than Fatalis and Crimson Fatalis. The top 2 would be Old Fatalis and Dire Miralis or Crimson Fatalis, depending on who is stronger.

[@hugo-pg5tv]

@@Siege066 Fatalis is more powerful than Dire miralis bro everything points to that.

[@Siege066]

@@hugo-pg5tv Fatalis is more strength, Miralis is more durability. And Dire Miralis is likely immune to fire attacks aswell but we don’t know. Dire Miralis is possibly stronger and I’m leaning more towards the side that Dire Miralis would win. Really, we need more information from Capcom to make a final decision.

[@EclipticViper]

The thing with safi gameplay wise is we dont get a feel for its power or strength in a group I have killed both safi and Fatty a lot but got curious and fought fatalis and killed him alone(was one of my first times) and i struggled But then i went back and fought the full safi siege on my own to get the full part break and all energy consumed That took me 5 hours In that entire siege i realized that safi is way more intelligent than Fatalis and combos way more often and predicts basically everything you do to an extent It actually came to thw point where i got annoyed and someone said safi is easy and i told them to solo it then When i did kill it i thought that safi is the hardest monster to kill and in my eyes that alone makes me think safi surpassed Fatalis And yes safi alone is still a harder fight solo then fatalis

[@ZennyHunter]

Hard to say to be honest, what makes safi hard is the 20 minute time limit paired with the energy drain - In terms of movesets my instinct wants to say that Fatalis is tougher but maybe that just because he hits harder? Either way Safi is a hard fight to solo - I almost got a full energy hunt done but just missed out, always takes me two hunts to get her down.

[@kittentacticalwarfare1140]

Imagine if Safi IS still res'ing and we just left a dead Alatreon in it's nest... it won't be weak to elements no more!

[@ZennyHunter]

I didn't even think about that part haha, surely the hunters would have took the body back home right?

[@LordRazer3]

Honestly it shouldn't surprise people what capcom finally made another black dragon (equivalent of one anyway) It's been a long time since we got 1

[@Anonymous-ul4xt]

I feel like there could be a elder dragon that is even stronger then Fatalis but not as smart or hateful but just as powerful as it but the guild haven’t found it yet or did but never returned

[@ZennyHunter]

There's still a lot to discover in the MH universe so I'm sure you're right!

[@Siege066]

Dire Miralis could possibly be considered stronger than Fatalis and Crimson Fatalis. Miralis being smart or hateful is sadly not mentioned. Also Fatalis lore is mainly myths and may possibly be retconned as Iceborne Fatalis is now considered the only canonical Fatalis fight in the series. Fatalis may not even be hateful to humans as the lore may just be myths as I previously stated and the immortality may not be completely true either but I won’t delve into that. What I’m getting at is that my leading theory is Fatalis is just a species of monsters like every monster in the game but is a a very rare and powerful species and that the Fatalis who attacked Schrade possibly considered that his territory so he attacked them. Fatalis being a rare species of monsters with its lore as myths also is the only possible way I could see Crimson and Old Fatalis existing.

[@nword9239]

Disufiroa

[@Siege066]

@@nword9239 Not a mainline monster

[@pucci405]

​​@@Anonymous-ul4xt Zorah Magdaros and Dalamadur are for sure stronger than Fatalis. Dalamadur could quite literally eat Fatalis is one bite, its fire has more range, it has a paralysing saliva and it can summon meteors so yeah. There are plenty of monsters just as strong as fatalis (Gog, Ceadeus, Amatsu, Shara Ishvalda, Safi, Ahtal-ka, Nakarkos, Akantor, Ukanlos, Abyssal lagiacrus, Gaismagorm, Allmother Narwa, Yama tsukami). Ahtal-ka is likely more intelligent than Fatalis and Fatalis itself doesn't really have any major feat of intelligence. Fatalis doesn't hate humans, that's a fairy tale with no basis on anything substantial.

[@Oogesay]

I heard a theroy that the fatalis fight across all appearances happen at the same time, being that the guild summoning bassicly all hunters for one monster, so that would mean safi emerges the same Time as all monster hunter games right? So is it plausible that safis emergence ruffled up the entire planets most powerful monsters (the black dragons) and hunter have to cull them before they do any damage, but what if they couldn’t? And monsters like dire mirales, alatreon, disufura, etc. would have been agitated and thus caused global devastation mass extinction and then safi one by one would have lured them all in to have that power to rival fatalis and his variants? Imagine that safi has the black dragons kill everything then take their power, but the guild effectively disrupted that by culling the black dragons, and at some point fatalis emerges in schrade at the time when safi was meant to achieve his final stage and a ragnarok level battle would change history forever, but due to the fall of safi, fatalis is kind of just chillin

[@phantom_boii]

Hope we see the Jiiva family return in the future, possibly wilds but it could be to soon, with a form that’s harnessed enough energy and possibly become a black dragon

[@Cpt-kaiju]

I so desperately want a safi fatalis turf war or cinematic

[@ZennyHunter]

We would need a full godzilla vs kong type movie to do it justice, it really would be peak monsterhunter

[@Cpt-kaiju]

@@ZennyHunter if only our live action movie wasn’t such a disappointment

[@tossot4132]

Tbh i think its the same species dragon where the Legend of the Shapire star came from! His Big attack looks like a small shapire light! So yeah

[@Guyy_1]

It's a shame i REALLY hope Safi comes back because they butchered her story, scrapping the OG story they had planned to add Fatalis and the Old World tie in story line, leaving Safi to feel like a villain of the week instead of the rightful antagonist of the game. No Arch Tempered, no Safi final boss, and we didnt even get the Pure Dracolites that are in the game but unobtainable.

[@ZennyHunter]

We can only hope she returns in some capacity moving forward :)

[@kphuts815]

What was the original story for Safi?

[@pigsmacker213]

My personal head canon for Xeno and Safi Jiiva, is that in actuality it's actually the FEMALE example of the Fatalis species. I say this for several reasons some more or less obvious than others. But for starters both are monsters that resemble traditional western dragons. That's not usually very typical for Monster Hunter. For two seemingly entirely unrelated species of monsters much less Elder Dragons to resemble eachother visually so closely. Next there's the fact both are considered on the same level of strength wise as eachother, and Capcom made it very clear to mention it. Now for the more speculative ecological reasoning for the head canon of both Fatalis and Safi actually being the same species. I'm willing to bet that the reason we even get to fight Xeno Jiiva at all in the new world. Is because Fatalis had already gone, and breed with the Safi we fight in game. 50 years ago back when we first started to send fleets to the new world to investigate the sudden elder dragon migration. Who at that time 50 years prior had layed her egg in the location that becomes the Elder's Recess. Due to the abundance of elemental energy in the region from all the strong monsters, and more specifically Elder Dragons that dwell there and are already there to die, so they wouldn't notice the young developing Xeno was actually siphoning their energy from them. All while it also sent out pheromones that attracted even more elders to the location in the first place as well. Which lead to the events soon after with the guild finding out and our reasom for being in the new world in the first place. We also know that clearly both Fatalis and Safi are no strangers to drastic changes in physiology as they get older. Fatalis can change into Crimson Fatalis and then as it ages even more into White Fatalis. Safi as an infant has a very clear significant change from it's Xeno Jiiva adolescent stage to it's Red Dragon adult stage. Both Fatalis AND Xeno/Safi Jiiva are all also coincidently Fire Elder Dragons with EXTREMELY powerful flames. Easily the most powerful fire attacks of any currently known monster period. Surprisingly enough as well their size differences also falls in line with the theory that they're likely the same species. In our own real world Female examples of a reptile species are known in a lot of cases to actually get much larger then their male counter parts. So Safi being much larger then Fatalis actually makes quite a bit of sense from a speculative zoology standpoint. Now I want to bring up the events that led to us finding out about Fatalis. In game we get an urgent request from the guild in person from the highest authority in the guild that a Fatalis has been sighted stirring in Castle Shrade. But coincidentally that only happens AFTER we slay Safi Jiiva narratively. My guess is since Xeno Jiiva had already hatched. It meant Safi was possibly gravid and ready to mate again when we find her and ultimately slay her. But at the same time Fatalis had already begun to awaken to begin it's journey back to the new world. But we stop it just before its ready to leave as it's building up the energy it needs for the trip after being asleep for half a century. After all Fatalis is always seen as sluggish at best especially for an Elder Dragon. It likely takes quite some time for Fatalis to build enough energy to make basically any trip much less a long distance trip to a far away continent. We also never see it but obviously as a living thing in the natural world it likely does need to consume SOMETHING to survive, and what makes more sense for a Fatalis to consume than raw life energy? Fatalis is also obviously part of a species there's no way that we can have multiple examples of Fatalis at different life stages, and have there only be a single example of the species in canon lore.

[@ZennyHunter]

This is a great theory, both of them strangley being designed in a western style and with her design being intended to "equal" or to be a counter part of fatalis makes this make more sense - Wilds has to have more answers!

[@goobo9357]

Just because they both look like Western dragons doesn’t really mean they’re related in any sense. Safi certainly seems to be an asexual reproducer, as we see no other adult Safi in the Valley meaning that the cocoons were likely made by the same Safi. It most likely makes the cocoons, then “fertilizes” them, then it protects them while they absorb enough energy to hatch. That’s my theory at least, it just seems unlikely as the creatures are entirely unrelated in nature, they just both use the western dragon motif.

[@ORLY911]

Next maybe Shara ishvalda? I thought they were a really cool design and concept and its power set is not to be sneezed at.

[@ZennyHunter]

This is one on my list for sure, I'll have to do some digging but off the top of my head I'm not sure I could get a full video out of it? I'll do some brainstorming 🧠

[@davetolentino8973]

I appreciate the video ❤ it's great to know what you think about monsters like Safi'Jiva. I did wonder why Safi despite all it's power was living in obscurity.It's powerful and large and probably could take down any monster in the New World but why was it hiding? I mean sure it has it's cocoons to protect but it could just eliminate them in fact even more bioenergy to consume but I guess that it's very careful because it's weak to elements especially dragon it was kinda funny because I thought Safi was like a piñata but dragon with all it's weaknesses so players could just go ham at it 😂. And then , the next title update dropped a very familiar nemesis from the Old World returned in the name of Alatreon and it's cutscene is in the Secluded Valley and he now has water element in his arsenal. Everything kinda makes sense now , as majestic and powerful Safi is it also has a predator just like Nergigante to Shara but on a larger scale and now I understand why Safi was weak to elements the MHWI lorebook solidified this , Alatreon is the counter to Safi'Jiva . It's amazing that Capcom finally made some story about one of the forbidden monsters. Alatreon went all the way to the New World from the Old World and ended up exactly in the Secluded Valley where Safi lived not just somewhere in the New World ( his sensory skills are amazing ). He then burned and froze all the cocoons he found and all those shedded scales that protects us from Safi's Sapphire of the Emperor he destroyed them easily and he was angry while doing it I mean he went out there to throw hands and all that's left were cocoons that don't even hit back . Escaton Judgement weakens from elemental attacks which means If they fight Safi'Jiva has no way of depowering it and will take full damage everytime Alatreon does it meanwhile Alatreon could just fly from Sapphire of the Emperor and shred him with his elements. Safi probably could heal few times but the Secluded Valley won't hold that long from their clash and all the bioenergy reserves Safi made will be gone. I do understand people wanting Safi to be the next big bad but lorewise like any other monster Fatalis would scare him and will flee just like it always does during it's Siege quest.

[@ZennyHunter]

Thank you so much, glad you enjoyed:)

[@meremsolomon4744]

Truth be told, everytime they make new powerful elder dragon final boss, Fatalis and its brethren in return will also get stronger to keep up with the new comers. It's an unspoken rule basically.

[@plus-delta4477]

If only Capcom would let him.

[@ZennyHunter]

Only time will tell!

[@Bailf006]

I love the tidbit about Fatalis standing on its hind legs to mock humans. Where did you learn this kinda stuff?

[@ZennyHunter]

To be honest its not a 100% confirmed fact, I believe it comes from NPC dialogue in an earlier game that became *assumed* to be true and cited on MH Wiki. Same with how he melts hunters into his chest because he hates them. I like to think it's true either way :)

[@Bailf006]

@@ZennyHunter I actually tracked down a translation of the MHW book and it does say that fatalis certainly is conserving energy by standing on its hind legs, because it doesn't even see us as a threat. While not exactly the same, seems like its very close! And if there are earlier voice lines indicating the same thing, I wouldnt even call it a stretch! Fantastic!!

[@ZennyHunter]

@@Bailf006 Yeahh there's a lot of mis translations out there or at least main pieces of context are lost in translation. Would love for a new series of books to come out that cover everything in one place

[@kenshin391]

What if Alatreon was actually trying to get Safijiva on it's side to destroy the human race because isn't in the lore that Alatreon basically reached out to Fatalis telling it that we were back to our old way's creating weapons out of monsters. That's the reason why Fatalis destroyed the old world right?

[@Demonz2000]

I feel like the lore means, a fully grown jiva could be on par with fatalis

[@CryingFreeman91]

Safi'jiva? I sleep....

[@ZennyHunter]

Honestly... I like the monster but hate the hunt haha

[@thmistrapillay1811]

Safi'jiiva is canonically as powerful as Fatalis. In 10 fights, Fatalis will win 5 and Safi'jiiva will win 5. Although imo Safi'jiiva is slightly more powerful and will win a smidgen more amount of times than Fatalis in 100 fights. Specifically because Safi'jiiva is significantly physically bigger, tougher and more muscular and can wrestle/brawl Fatalis to the ground and kill him So imo its 53/47 in Safi'jiiva's favor

[@joejohnson2458]

If she's 14 im 14

[@ZennyHunter]

PAUSE

[@mazin_iq1499]

This really proves that safi’jiva is the strongest ‘’monster’’ in monster hunter.

[@Auvisome]

LMFAOOOOOO iykyk

[@kevo300]

Safi did surpass Fatalis. As in I never killed one because of the seige mechanic while I soloed Fatty 30 times.

[@ThouReaper2.0]

I want us to fail at some point and this world altering monster wins, and then the dlc is tied into fixing it or dealing with it

[@ZennyHunter]

Dealing with a big calamaty would be cool, we always hear from NPCs about there home being destroyed by something but we never experience this ourselves.

[@dragonboy5019]

What would it evolve into hellfire Safi’jiva?

[@_canna]

What's your layered armor?

[@ZennyHunter]

A mixture of Kirin, Odogaron, AT Velky and Shara Ishvalda. - I then changed the colours to match the Kirin stuff :)

[@ameerhamza1116]

Bro your gameplay is too good i cant focus on what your saying

[@ZennyHunter]

Haha thanks, honestly I'm still quite bad at safi solo - Just used the few good clips i did have lol

[@dannygonzalez24]

The xeno is the same one not a different one

[@ZennyHunter]

According to various sources it is supposedly confirmed that we killed that Xeno meaning this safi had to come from a different one - Everything I found led to this however if you do have a source confirming otherwise I would love to see it so I can correct the information in a pinned comment!

[@claisolais]

The Xeno dealt with was a unique one, borned just below the map of Elders Recess. --Lets call him the rich lucky boi, as he was bornd right next to the best source of life energy on the entire new continent (probably), thus he has the infinite life energy inside him, like a perpetual motion machine, from the very first day. Safi however, was borned in the area where the phase 3 fight taking place, and the area suggest that mutiple indiviuals were borned there, as mutiple cocoons can be spotted. I'll assume that regualar Safi only lives in the places like that, where the life energy is easily obtainable.

[@salehbazzeim7436]

In the book monster Hunter world ice born it’s been stated that safi jiiva is a black dragon

[@ZennyHunter]

Everything I have found eludes to safi falling into this categorisation in terms of power level but not actually confirmed. Do you happen to have the direct quote from the book, would love to see exactly what it says!

[@salehbazzeim7436]

@@ZennyHunter they have stated in the book that safi it’s always intended to be a black dragon, but one Capcom was were making on it they realized the most strongest monsters are black that’s why they made safi red

[@salehbazzeim7436]

@@ZennyHunter there is a channel that I recommend for you. It does explain why Safi. is a black dragon in the name of the channel is Chrono Pioy X

[@ZennyHunter]

@@salehbazzeim7436 Yeah I mentioned that in the video, it doesn't confirm that shes a black dragon (just assumed to be) we simply know that shes close to or equal to that power level. I'm sure this will get 100% confirmed at some point though!

[@salehbazzeim7436]

@@ZennyHunter yeah because they’re concept are showing safi is not red as black

[@montyemsworth9798]

Is safi a female??