Sage (Breville) Oracle Jet Review & Test (deep dive!)

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

People are going to ask how this compares to the Ninja Luxe Cafe. I think I'll do a dedicated video on that. For now I can say (this is just my own opinion): - Barista Assist goes to Ninja - Auto Milk frothing goes to Ninja - Dose consistency goes to Ninja (due to the scale) - Overall espresso potential goes to Oracle - Manual milk frothing goes to Oracle - Looks go to Oracle - Finally, auto puck prep is awesome, and goes to the Oracle. Check out the Oracle Jet here: geni.us/OracleJet (affiliate link)

[@eldarbunyip]

It is 3.2 times the price of the Ninja in the UK. Is it worth the extra?

[@mamadouaziza2536]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Hmmm.... It's not even close. It's the Jet for me or that Kickstarter one. Hell, even take any Lelit combo machine over the Ninja. $499 for an all in one sounds too good to be true and it is.. LOL. For that price I would just get a Gaggia Classic EVO

[@thegiantbull]

Wat about the Meraki?

[@maxxarramas]

Would love a 3 way between Jet, Ninja, Touch Impressive with a focus on out of the box quality and top end quality as well as your opinion on whether the top end quality warrants the higher price. My gut feeling is Impress will be at the sweet spot

[@adamharley1384]

​@eldarbunyip I was just about to say the same thing, one is £700 the other £1600

[@belizarius_997]

Let's all appreciate the amount of work and research Tom invested into making this (including a pro intro!). This review is your best so far! Keep up the excellent work!

[@juan3268]

Thank you for the video. I just unboxed this machine yesterday, and I am very pleased with it. 90 percent of my reason for choosing this over the ninja was the puck prep and styling. I have had other Breville units in the past and I guess you could call me a fanboy. I have gone to barista training and have a grinder for if I feel like doing all the work myself, but when I wake up and want to get a quick couple of shots, nothing beats this system. Even today, got home from work and was sipping an espresso within 5 minutes of walking in the house.

[@ruthgwyther5933]

Just bought this machine. So far so good. I love it

[@Mkathyd]

During set up, it does recommend you your cup using the hot water to warm up the machine and your cup before use. If you long press the icon, it goes into manual mode and you can save your perfect length shot without having to manually stop it at 30g. I would love to see a review on different things you can do with customizations and how to dial in new beans.

[@jmmmcc]

Just ordered one of these machines going from Oracle Touch. I have the Sage Puck sucker which does a great job getting the puck out without loads of hammering

[@miketully1968]

Would love to see a direct comparison of the oracle jet with the impress touch both seem similar? Looking to buy and wondering if the jet is worth the extra long term.

[@Vanoual]

I’m in the same situation!

[@TapInBirdie]

Great review. I’ve had an #OracleJet for a couple months now and love it overall. When I am groggy in the morning, I don’t want to fiddle with manual puck prep. I just want a good coffee. I also like the cold brew that it makes, so it is versatile. I think the touch screen enables this versatility, however I wouldn’t mind two more buttons for initiating brew and steaming. I have gotten the rare half-baked puck like you did with the light roast beans. I find that mainly happens when the bean hopper is almost empty. You can tell when it is struggling to get the beans, and a tap of the hopper will usually get the last few it needs to finish the puck. I would 100% buy again and just hope it lasts.

[@Biggles1999]

Good video Tom - thanks. I’ve had this machine for a week and I think you miss two key points in the video. Firstly, anyone in the household can use it and make good coffee. Secondly the fact that the touch interface/control software can be updated via wifi sets it apart in my opinion. Updates have already been released and I’m sure Sage/Breville will continue to perfect the Barista guidance and the operation of the machine. Whilst expensive the price point is comparable to some premium fully automatic machines. I would recommend for those with an interest in good coffee that don’t want to make it a full time hobby and passion. Posted while enjoying a Jet Americano 😀

[@mamadouaziza2536]

WiFi over the air updates are not new or exclusive to this machine. There are a few super automatic machines that can do over the air updates and have far superior touchscreen and interfaces compared to this machine. It's not a bad machine but nothing is new or innovative with it.. 2018 technology.

[@Biggles1999]

@@mamadouaziza2536 I hadn't meant to imply that the wifi updates were universally unique only that in the context of this machine and Sage range it is a key feature and differentiator. As for the interface - 'far superior' clearly comes down to personal taste, from a UX/UI perspective the Jet is fast and logical imho. Off to enjoy a coffee.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

You just gave me an idea to invite a friend over who'd be a newbie, to see how she reacts to and operates the machine. Hopefully I can do that!

[@Biggles1999]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner My pleasure - I look forward to the results!

[@MeMe-ie7jh]

@@TomsCoffeeCornergreat idea

[@ingok1706]

I'm no friend of hashtags but I've seen the whole video 😜 You did a great job with this one and, for me, the part where you show the insides of a machine are always essential to liking it or not. Please continue that way! (Missed it with the Meraki for example)

[@thebigdan88]

Seriously. What’s up with the hashtags?

[@ingok1706]

@@thebigdan88 In this context its use is mostly for community-based promotion of products. I just don't like to promote products of any kind (without getting paid for it).

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I think the hashtags makes the video more searchable, that's all. Anyway, Meraki guts should be coming soon. I am waiting for the upgraded model to arrive before revealing.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@ingok1706 I just tried it. If you click on the #OracleJet hashtag, it shows you other videos about the OracleJet from other creators. It’s like a shortened search function.

[@gailoakley4010]

This is a great review Tom. Thank you so much!

[@Omega34685]

While I would likely never buy a machine that’s this automated I still really enjoyed this review; I find your reviews to be very interesting and oddly relaxing. #oraclejet

[@thegiantbull]

Very nice review 👍 The only unique thing for this machine is the automatic tamping. I'm curious how good this system is, the Impress line had a lot of issues with the tampers and grind measuring. What are the differences between this Sage, the Ninja and the Meraki. Maybe that's an idea for the next video?

[@robertbrown7992]

#Oraclejet had the machine 2 weeks and loving it so far. Thanks for a great review.

[@alvaroartaviabenavides5014]

Learning a lot from your videos, hello from Costa Rica - and yeah, we have the best coffee in the world 😂

[@odinallfather8241]

I'm the wrong demographic for this machine or the ninja. I like doing "the things" and really don't want "auto". However, I do appreciate that both of them might bring new appreciation to espresso. I'd likely buy this over the ninja just because trust in the brand, but the cost is definitely something to consider. Nice review sir.

[@stefansalzinger9346]

Very good review, I got a very good impression! Very good job! I also wouldnt go with a touchscreen, too cumbersome to operate. The automatic puck prep sounds delicious, but honestly would wait for the next versions/iteration to get rid of teething problems like uneven surfaces. AutoMilq is a bit disappointing honestly. I like the look of the machine in general, also being very compact and being not too deep (problem with smaller kitchen desks). How precise is the water temperature? Sage/Breville had really inconsistencies there from Barista Pro extracting too hot to Express Impress going too low.

[@modeintube7588]

#OracleJet very good as always. What you think about a comparison between Oracle Jet / oracle Touch /Barista Touch Impress

[@thisismyday287]

I am really happy with the machine. The water in the tank is usually at room temperature. One empty draught is enough for me. Above all, I love the clean puck. I haven't had any channeling so far. Auto-Milq doesn't work for me either. But manual is really easy and the temperature measurement helps. The vapor is available very quickly despite the thermoblock. The auto function on the Ninja also tends to produce “building foam”. I've tried so many espresso machines and grinders. Finally, my espresso tastes good and I get repeatable results. #OracleJet

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

The pucks are quite nice, and generally knock out in one piece. I can confirm that there is little to no channeling with a bottomless.

[@dmarque]

Just purchased the machine and found it to be ideal. Your critical remarks about too many bubbles in the milk seems to have missed the point that the milk settings permit a very dedicated option to the preference for milk temp AND density (bubble size/amount). The ability to double tap each icon for flushing is a great option as is the guidance when flow rate is to high or too low (offering an adjustment to grind size to address this KEY ISSUE. Truly a great machine.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

It's a cool machine, I just wish I could get the same milk froth creaminess in auto mode, as in manual mode. But, I am happy you're loving it! Cheers!

[@philipecsun]

Great detailed review, looking forward to getting one, have the original oracle, looking forward to thermojet technology, stability, perhaps less maintenance

[@TJSlatch]

Hi Tom, i have noticed in your video and when i visited bestbuy that the fit and finish of this machine is not good. I can see the un perfection on the right side of the tray.

[@BobbieGWhiz]

With my Bambino plus, they recommend releasing the residual water in the wand before steaming. Would that be the same with this machine? Thanks.

[@steelgtr]

Impress better at auto micro foam?

[@Metalmix70]

Thanks for the great video. Is it possible to demonstrate a single dose withe the one cup basket in a follow up?

[@rafaelmarchipucci1370]

#OracleJet PS: love your videos and I learn a lot with you. Just moved from a Philips LatteGo 4200 to a Breville Barista Touch Impress, and I'm loving the machine. Regards from Montreal.

[@thisismyday287]

I also had a case today where the “tamper” wasn't working properly. It somehow sounded like a mechanical problem. Perhaps there is a slipping clutch that spins when it is blocked.

[@lazzar1903]

I have got a puck sucker by Breville, it works great.

[@Paddyollee]

#OracleJet Thanks for the review, I'm thinking about getting the OJ, so this is very helpful.

[@marieahsun8436]

Great video! Is the milk microfoam very silky like a La Marzocco? Do you really get a decent roll? And is the milk steamer more powerful and better tasting than the Sage Barista Touch?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

In manual mode, it gets extremely silky. But it's been really good ever since the Barista Pro, honestly. This might be slightly better. I don't know how it compares to LM, but LM steams way too fast. You have to be a professional to steam the milk well in 10 seconds.

[@lexwhite4786]

Is there anyway to replace the plastic cap on the shower screen for a metal option?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Good question, I don't know.

[@mtbOutsideCA]

Great review and information. Thank you. I would love to see how this #OracleJet compares to the Oracle Touch.

[@jon9834]

Hi Tom. Thank you very much for your review. I just bought the Oracle Jet and I seek an advice: I use freshly roasted beans (14 days old) and the Jet wants me to use grind size 41. That gives me a time of about 30 sec but infusiontime is only 4-5 seconds before it begins dripping. Can there be something wrong with my unit you think? From what I see from reviews grind sizes between about 20-34 are more normal. I have just bought a VST basket 18 g to get less coffee. Best, Jon

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Hi Jon, the fresher the bean, the coarser you'll grind. No issues here. Cheers!

[@jon9834]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Just a follow up in case it is relevant to you or others. Shortly after I wrote the Jet stopped tamping the puck - simply just left with a lot of grind and nothing else. I got in touch with technical support and it ended with a replacement. I am pretty sure there was something wrong also with the grinder because the beans in the replacement now needs a grindsize 36 and the flow also seems much more consistent.

[@drevo50]

It comes across as a fusion of the Touch Impress re-imagined for the higher price Oracle line. Agree with you that the grinder (same as Touch Impress) is inconsistent, as is the Barista guidance. Is it worth it? I'd rather spend the money on a decent Italian espresso machine and a good grinder.

[@SJL2506]

Outstanding review as always! Thank you, Tom. #OracleJet

[@mtnshadid]

Appreciate your awesome review on the machine, btw the wireless scale is very awesome #OracleJet

[@MortenRyberg]

Great detailed video! I am a convenience person but love great coffee. I dont want to do the manual process of grinding, tamping, using a scale etc to get good coffee... which is why I am looking at super automatics or the touch impress or the oracle jet. I am very keen on TI but heard the hot-water temp on that is too low... so either super or the jet might be what I end up with.

[@tonict2302]

Does it have WiFi or BT?

[@DrVol88]

What store is the best place to purchase this? As far as customer service or if I have any issues or any other reasons? I have a Williams-Sonoma in my area as well as other options.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I think for now Breville is only selling it at their website.

[@DrVol88]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner They have them at my local Williams-Sonoma, is that an ok retailer to purchase from? Never used them before.

[@Earendilvingilot13]

I noticed the miicoffee or Turin legato v2 is out. Can you get your hands on it and compare with this one too???

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Mayyybeee...I see that Coffee Chronicler just did one. 👍

[@garrymarshall6331]

#OracleJet - interesting review Tom - thanks. Intrigued by the cold espresso... never really got into that...

[@danieltaylor-roman2048]

To make the automatic steam wand work for micro foam : latte art and texturing, you will need to push the milk carafe forward until the steam wand is almost touching the back side of the milk carafe, and it will work.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I tried that and it still just made soupy milk with big bubbles on top. I'd like to see someone else's video, actually showing how they did it and the result.

[@AlexWroe-ib3qh]

What should you do if you get a badly tamped unpolished puck? Is it just a case of tamping it manually before pulling a shot through it?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Yes, I just tamp manually afterwards. Cheers!

[@aksvp]

Hi Tom, I purchased the Delonghi dedica ec 685 just a few days ago. I'm getting into coffee so wanted to start with ground coffee & then slowly advance. I have a Papua ground coffee from Indonesia but I'm not able to get much extract. Can it be because of the grind size being too fine that it can't work with a pressurized basket? Or any other reason & possible troubleshoot?

[@davidaggies131]

Can you do a review on the kitchen aid KF superautomatics please?

[@wednesdaymisener8379]

#oraclejet Thanks for a very informative and comprehensive review!

[@Trailjunkie62]

#OracleJet Thanks Tom for the in depth review! Can you recommend a good bottomless portafilter for this machine? The group head design seems to be different than other oracle models.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I used a standard Neouza 3rd party one that works great. BUT, Sage has something in the works for their own bottomless, finally...coming up soon in a video. Cheers!

[@Trailjunkie62]

Thanks Tom I’ll keep an eye out! Strike one for me I ordered a norm core bottomless/wooden handle portafilter that said it was compatible with Breville machines but the handle neck made contact with the group head while trying to tighten

[@streetspiritlondon]

Does the ninja lux do a better job foaming milk automatically?

[@mamadouaziza2536]

No... Different. The Ninja had a wisk in the pitcher.. I say they are fairly even with auto milk but the Sage has more milk frothing options.

[@gulong612]

@@mamadouaziza2536sage has more options but non of it work. The methods is different but does it matter? at the end of the day, if it can make good foam it is good method

[@20VEVZR]

No one has been talking about the 30w per hour power consumption this uses while off (in "sleep" mode) - this is why it takes more like 2 minutes to start up with a hard power shut off. Will add up over a year (253kw a year!)

[@fuzziestlumpkin]

I'm guessing they aren't talking about this because it is incorrect. In my experience, it doesn't even hit 30W when the machine is on and the group heater is working.

[@idudas80]

@@fuzziestlumpkin can you pleas check this, if you have a watt meter at hand? 30w/h would be a show stopper for me

[@fuzziestlumpkin]

@@idudas80 It does use about 30W when the machine is powered on with the group heater running. When the machine is in standby (as in, plugged in and turned on at the wall, but sleeping as when you press the big round button or leave it inactive for 5 minutes) it uses "less than 1W". I tested it with a smart plug rather than an actual meter,as that's what I had on hand. But the plug is accurate to the Watt, and even if it uses 500mW that's still 60x less than claimed.

[@СашаФедько-л2е]

Thanks for review,Tom!! Always interesting to hear something new from you and yours thoughts about. Really enjoyed your videos! Greetings from 🇺🇦

[@ShaneOSullivanky]

Thanks Tom, great video. We have ours a week now and love it, got a black one. Good tips on pre-heating the portafilter. #OracleJet

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@ShaneOSullivanky It looks lovely in black. Glad you’re enjoying it!

[@rydmike]

The #OracleJet is looking pretty good and convenient, but at a high cost. I wonder if the trick of putting one or two, two euro coins under the pitcher at the front edge, so it get a bit of an angle could help to get a swirl going to incorporate the bubbles. Seen that done on some of the other Sage automatic milk steamers. But it should of course work better out of the box. I’m also surprised they did a volumetric grinder and not by weight, like some others did.

[@thisismyday287]

Today I tried it with a steep angle (holding the jug at an angle by hand). Doesn't work either. The lance is simply too deep in the milk. But it really is extremely easy to do manually.

[@alexwroe9967]

Hi Tom, thanks for the vids. I'm new to all this so if anyone can explain.. I'm getting 22g from the double basket but only 32g liquid from a double shot from the Oracle Jet. I have it set up for volumetric so the double shot should be producing 44g of liquid, right? What am I doing wrong? Shot time is about 22/23 seconds. Thanks!

[@steelgtr]

Is the impress better for auto or coached dosing than the Oracle (jet)? TY

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@steelgtr The OJ is better in my experience, as I found the BTI would sometimes overdose. The OJ does it by volume, which seems to work better for me.

[@steelgtr]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner How about for a beginner with a wife that needs things simple? :) BTW, your channel is the best :)

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@ Haha, then I’d say the OJ is better. Cheers!

[@steelgtr]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner The OJT is expensive and hard to find at the moment and I think the BTI does latte auto frothing better, so probably going with that. Thanks

It says it can do hot chocolate in the menu ? How ?

[@SabtainAz]

Could they not fix the issue with the auto milk via software?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I can't imagine so. It seems to be the length of the steam wand that is off. Cheers!

[@jon9834]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner I just bought the Oracle Jet and I honestly think that you might have a faulty auto milk in the machine. I got a nice rotation of the milk and the micro bubbles were nicely incorporated. I am no pro at all so I can be wrong but it is definitely better than the barista touch and even with a very low fat milk I got none of the big bobbles you showed us in the video. Thank you for your very thorough review!

[@Alexander-sz1jh]

That automatic steaming is a dealbreaker for me. Could have been interesting if you'd reached out to Sage/Breville to get a response from them. It is an important part of the machine and surprising to see it fail when they are known to be so competent in that area. Very disappointing to me.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I reached out to them when it didn't work for me on the Touch Impress, and they told me to make sure the steam wand was clean. I did check that, but that's not the culprit.

[@Phantoma3]

I don't see a problem. When I'm making cappuccinos for friends in my Lelit setup, the most fun part is when I manually make silky milk froth.

[@dennispronk6403]

can you do a review of the quickmill 820 a popular espresso machine in Germany and the Netherlands

[@ruthgwyther5933]

Also great review - thanks

[@SergiuNiculas]

Great intro !

[@BobbieGWhiz]

When you say, sweetness, you don’t really mean sweet like adding sugar to coffee or the taste of a chocolate bar, do you? Thanks.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@BobbieGWhiz what I mean is that if the shot is extracted, right, you can get just a tinge of sweetness, kind of like you get from bittersweet chocolate…

[@tmccaw21]

Tom please tell us about your watch

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Ah, that one is the Garmin Instinct. It's nice for tracking sleep and steps, and it lasts 4 weeks for me. Cheers!

[@i3kel]

Few questions 1. How is it for single dosing, is there much retention? I have a single dose mod on my BBE and hope there's something similar for this in the future 2. If I take out the spinning fan for the Puck prep could I dose into a portafilter for manual Puck prep?

[@thisismyday287]

I don't think this design is suitable for single dosing. You really need to use a different grinder.

[@i3kel]

@@thisismyday287 non of the breville machines are by default. But there are simple mods that essentially make them single dose.

[@thisismyday287]

@@i3kelBut the highlight is the automatic tamping. If you don't want that, you can also buy another machine with Thermojet. Automatic tamping will not work with single dosing.

[@i3kel]

@@thisismyday287 I think it's having the option. The auto tamping will have my family able to make their own drinks without any issues. It also let's me get that little extra out of my shots by doing manual prep

[@fuzziestlumpkin]

The answer to the second question is yes, but there is no time or weight based grind option, so you should probably single dose. I haven't actually tried single dosing, but minus the tamp fan the grinder is much the same as any other Sage/Breville grinder, albeit better in construction. I'm pretty sure their hopper fitting hasn't changed ever, or at least not in about 5 years, so the single dose hopper for your express might fit.

[@aoscos1]

please review the barisitina from philips with the milk frother. thanks for this video

[@ahme050]

Does anyone knows regards how to get metal DIY distributing part in the shower head because the plastic will degrade someday and it will cause issue to the shower head ?

[@drlodge]

Great in-depth video, thanks. I think this is the machine for me. There’s no one feature that makes it a slam dunk over the touch impress, but lots of features are better, it has cold drink options for example. I want decent cappuccino without fuss and options for other drink e.g. cold coffee in the summer. I don’t mind manual foaming but my partner needs a one touch machine. #OracleJet

[@thisismyday287]

Let me ask you a question: I read that the pre-infusion time can be set somewhere. Unfortunately, my search has so far been unsuccessful. Any tips? #OracleJet

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@thisismyday287 you can press and hold the espresso button to pre-infuse for up to 12 seconds.

[@lilswitche9369]

Another great video 😊 #oraclejet

[@trevor7016]

Im having nothing but issues making a single shot flat white. Machine dials in a double basket at 31 grind setting for a 32 sec pour. Switch to a single basket and it wants a 42 grind setting for a 38 sec pour and it tastes watery. Four “wavey” tamps in a row. Really disappointed as the Barista Touch Impress has been brilliant.

[@caffeinefix2751]

They definitely missed the mark by not including the ability to steam while brewing coffee. Sunbeam in Australia has been doing that for 10 years now with thermoblock technology. I mean you don't have to have the heater hor all the time to steam just have the ability to run the heater when you want to run steam. They also should have made the group head heat up at the moment you turn on the machine and not after you grind. 30 minutes is too long to heat up.! the beauty of the Thermo jet machines are that they heat very quickly compared to the Boiler machine. But if you have to wait as long as a boiler machine for it to get hot, what's the point? Why not just include a Boiler machine? Given that this machine cost as much as an Oracle and Oracle touch, I think Breville could have done better. Hopefully they fix these with a new version soon.

[@fuzziestlumpkin]

The group starts heating as soon as you turn the machine on without even selecting a drink, let alone grinding. I don't know where you get the 30 minute figure from, but it is wrong. Even without a blank shot, the shower screen is uncomfortable to touch in under a minute.

[@Brendanjosephstudio]

#OracleJet I’m considering moving on from having *both* a barista express and a creatista plus (for the auto milk) but I’m getting the vibe that this isn’t the one.

[@lewiswood1865]

Can anyone recommend me an automatic bean to cup machine with the manual milk frother? I don’t like the idea of the automatic milk function as it can get dirty/mouldy

[@bobby350z]

One more thing your review is way different from the one Lance had. So do you think there is that much machine to machine variability? I was all set to buy this machine as my wife would be the main user and I know she is not going to put much time learning all the espresso nuisances.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

From a manufacturing standpoint, I can't imagine there's a difference between the machines. We both show that the PID regulation is pretty good. I just find that the PF should be warmed up first, and that the machine provides better espressi as you pull more of them. That's kind of the same for most machines, as all the components and PF get up to the same temp. As for the auto milk, I cannot get that to work very well. But the manual milk steaming is easy enough, and it provides excellent texture. Cheers!

[@DaSa11442]

#oraclejet ❤ Thanks for this perfect review.

[@j-w-67]

the machine will show errors in the display after some time when you adjust the mill wheel to get the 18 grams of coffee...

[@mrtimjitsu]

One thing that keeps me from getting one of these screen only machines is the fact that if the monitor fails, you can't use the machine at all. To have one point of failure that makes the machine completely unusable doesn't sit well with me.

[@fuzziestlumpkin]

I've seen a few people make this comment, and find it weird... If the control board, heater (be it a boiler or thermo block), or pump fail, you can't use the machine. These are all single points of failure that make the machine useless if they break, so what is so special about the screen? Do people just think touch screens are unreliable by nature?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I'd agree with Fuzzie's statement, although replacing a screen will be more cost intensive.

[@Ledman301]

@@fuzziestlumpkinsome people just don’t like touch screens, usually older people. I still haven’t met a person who’s had an electronic device with touchscreen issues.

[@SpiDey1500]

Just repair it. It’s not that hard.

[@Torahobservantisrael]

The fact the dosing amount is not consistent is a massive deal breaker for me. Another point for me is the fact you have to pull multiple shot’s before it pulls good ones. Seems like a ton of wasted time imo. Thank you @Tomscoffeecorner for another great in-depth review! #oraclejet

[@fuzziestlumpkin]

He was talking about what happened after he messed with the dosing fan height. In my experience, dosing is incredibly accurate... To the point I actually find it weird how accurate it is. The biggest variance I've seen so far is 0.2g. Likewise, I haven't seen any extraction problems once dialled in, but I always preheat my portafilter.

[@ameliaclark5792]

I’m looking to get this machine. It’s $3000 in Canada :(

[@TheDAHKY]

#OracleJet - love the content!

[@jameskeen3321]

#oraclejet always interesting to see how automated they can get but its solutionism at it’s finest. It doesn’t do much more than a bambino assuming user takes just slightest amount of interest in

[@fgmenth]

I love the idea of thermojet, I hope they add it in their cheaper models too. This one is way too expensive.

[@mamadouaziza2536]

LOL... Many of their cheaper models already have a thermojet

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

See the Bambino Plus.

[@fgmenth]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner wow how did I miss that

[@reganstevenson9532]

it would be nice to get a good quality breville without a grinder attached

[@ArcovanPeer]

Bedankt

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Thanks for your support!

[@urossantl]

This just shows how good of a deal Ninja Deluxe is…

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

Can't argue with that!

[@petrarsenjev9079]

Thank you for another excellent video. I like the thermojet technology, the dual-boiler seems energetically unsuitable for a few coffees a day. At a relatively high price, milk frothing could be the biggest advantage, but it probably isn't. The grinder doesn't particularly stand out, I can probably do without automatic tamping, I wouldn't use a large number of drinks, the accessories are rather impoverished even compared to the lower Barista range, the impression from the inside is "very Chinese". Simply to sum it up, a lot of features and a lot of little things that can break. For some, it may be a suitable option instead of an automatic coffee machine, I will probably be more satisfied with Barista Pro, also in terms of interface and functions (and at a third of the price).

[@fuzziestlumpkin]

What additional accessories would you have liked it to include?

[@petrarsenjev9079]

@@fuzziestlumpkin More baskets, single portafilter

[@fuzziestlumpkin]

@@petrarsenjev9079 Yeah, an actual double (18g) shot basket alongside the 22g that most would consider a triple would have been nice. I don't really see the point in an additional portafilter, though.

[@kimmokatva6624]

Nice review, I want one :) #OracleJet

[@rusnsc7622]

# Oracle Jet…another good review and video Thanks Tom!!

[@annap214]

Wow. Thank you to find out that plastic plate! That’s a BIG NO for me!

[@saddhe1991]

#Oraclejet Love your content

[@iggyman83]

That auto milk is really disappointing for the price. And the thermals arent great. I picked up a second hand Gaggia Classic and it gets noticeably hotter than my Barista Express and produces some amazing shots.

[@mamadouaziza2536]

I think his settings are off or he hasn't perfected it yet because every other reviewer has had success with automatic milk frothing

[@mts982]

how does this compare to the ninja lux?

[@mamadouaziza2536]

It doesn't.. two different machines, one is $499 and the other is $1899...

[@gulong612]

@@mamadouaziza2536it seems both machines do pretty much similar jobs. The thing sage standout if cool/stylish design & touch screen, while Ninja have weight system for dosage and drip coffee option. I think Sage need to put more effort now, ninja will probably will have few more models release down the road; good competition mean better product for customer.

[@GauravRajasekar]

Great review. Question about the auto MilQ / Auto steaming though. Most other reviews on KZbin (including Lance here who referenced you - kzbin.info/www/bejne/imqWo4OZh76KbLs ) seem to have great results (latte art quality milk foam) with the Oracle Jet. Atleast better than the results with the Touch Impress. Perhaps the wand was faulty here? Also, if it doesn't swirl it, is the auto milk foam from a lower end Ninja Luxe better since it artificially swirls the milk while steaming? I'm between the Ninja Luxe Cafe (yeah, I know, lower end), Barista Touch Impress and the Oracle Jet for my next espresso machine. Currently using a Sette 270 + Breville Infuse just fine but I'd like for the non-home-barista folks in the house to sample coffee more often and for myself to have an easier start to the day.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I'm a bit stumped about the Auto MilQ. I saw that it worked well for Lance, but it's not working for me. I really don't have a good explanation, as I have tried differing volumes, different pitchers, all the different milk froth levels, different milk types. It just ain't working for me.

[@mariano7107]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner It would be super interesting to get to the bottom of this. I’ve seen several reviews of this machine, and all pretty much praise the quality of the auto-milk texturing. So this is quite weird. I think yours is the only one using a European machine (Sage instead of Breville). Could there be a manufacturing difference? I’m in France, so that’s particularly concerning to me. Could it just be you got a bad unit? I’m really interested in getting one of these, but I won’t unless I can expect to get one that works like Lance’s. And I don’t want to go through the hassle of buying one and returning it 😕

[@GauravRajasekar]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner how has auto milq worked for you with the touch impress compared to this one?

[@Karla_Finch-Cluff]

#Oracle Jet This thing seems feature packed, Thanks for this wonderful review! Those adjustments that you had to make, did you write them all down in case people ask? Dialing in seems to be my least favorite part of Espresso making @_@ But dang do I love delicious espresso!

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I’ll be releasing a video next week on how to adjust the dose.

[@fuzziestlumpkin]

​@@TomsCoffeeCornerI don't want you to spoil your video, but is the short answer "don't bother and just buy a lower dose basket"?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

@@fuzziestlumpkin Not quite. You need to lower the tamper fan further down into the basket first, to create proper head space above the puck, and THEN buy a different basket to further reduce the dose.

[@fuzziestlumpkin]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner Appreciate it! I'll wait for your video to drop before I go shopping for IMS baskets then... Was hoping to get away with not changing the fan height. Getting the right depth seems like it's gonna be a hassle!

[@Karla_Finch-Cluff]

@@TomsCoffeeCorner That sounds lovely! Looking forward to watching the process as always!

[@HakonFjeldseng]

#OracleJet - think i want one

[@freilichwurscht]

This is by far not a 2000 Dollar Machine. I was expecting it to be around 1000 max. #oraclejet

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I think they'd fly off the shelves for that price.

[@thisismyday287]

In Germany you get at least 10% discount at Sage. So either as a newsletter voucher or you ask when ordering by phone. I paid 1709 EUR. Prices in Germany are always including taxes.

[@Dennis_To]

2000 too expensive. Bambino plus + DF54 ultimate budget combo

[@SpiDey1500]

@@thisismyday287I paid 1400 with corporate benefits

[@SpiDey1500]

@@thisismyday2871400€ in Germany with CB … im Sorry you paid 1700 😅

[@SpiDey1500]

You miss the key point. The WAF (wife approval factor). No way I could buy a grinder and a separat machine and no way my gf would use this.

[@sivanm2130]

Other reviewers had very good results with auto steaming. What can explain this? #OracleJet

[@georgielol]

Defective unit? He did say he tried every which way to position the milk pitcher I think.

[@sivanm2130]

@@georgielol maybe the swirl only works down under

I've had the same disappointing experience with steaming, for what it's worth. Anything above level 4 with dairy milk is just a large-bubble fest at the top, liquid at the bottom. Levels 1 to 4 have a more normal bubble size, but still, quite liquid and bubbles remain unincorporated through most of the milk. I have to do a lot of swirling to get anything decent, and that's a poor substitute for a normal vortex.

[@drlodge]

Just wonder have you tried auto steaming but holding the jug at an angle to get a vortex going?

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

I'm a bit stumped about the Auto MilQ. I saw that it worked well for Lance, but it's not working for me. I really don't have a good explanation, as I have tried differing volumes, different pitchers, all the different milk froth levels, different milk types. It just ain't working for me.

[@bobby350z]

I am seeing inconsistent times on how long it needs to heat up. I thought with thermojet it will be quick.

[@TomsCoffeeCorner]

With the thermojet it is immediately ready, since it heats on demand. But that doesn't mean the portafilter is warmed up yet, nor does it mean that all the pathways are warm, since water hasn't travelled yet. I do think that the second little heater does a good job through throughout the extraction to help with the temperature regulation, but I'd recommend to warm up the PF first.

[@cinemapigeon4898]

Definitely disappointing a $2000 machine can't have a better auto froth mode, I wonder if an update could help? I mean surely their engineers knew it was subpar milk frothing for months or years of its development?

[@TJ-kj8ob]

I have the Jet, the milk frothing is amazing compared to my old machine, which makes me thing the review unit is defective.

[@cinemapigeon4898]

@@TJ-kj8ob Manual mode definitely always has benefit of introducing air then incorporating the big air bubbles while spinning the milk at an angle but yeah I don't know why an automated froth mode from a very high end machine made by an experienced company couldn't more or less solve on how to recreate that. Again, maybe update could be all that's needed.

[@j-w-67]

buy an 18 gram basket and the machine will work correctly again

[@Devon-Decor]

Did this solve the occasional non finished tamping of the pucks?

[@j-w-67]

​@@Devon-Decorsorry I'm referring to the old oracle which gave 22-23 grams of coffee.tried to adjust the mill wheel down to 18 grams but then the machine failed....adjusted back to standard and bought 18 gram basket.that solved my problem.