Sai vs The Twitter Puriteens

[@ohfairyairy3626]

‘You’re just shifting the blame to parents’ like no shit?? Parents need to monitor their kids online. Where the hell are Toppy’s parents?? Are they aware their child is arguing with adults over nothing???

[@SaiScribbles]

I asked him the same thing lol

[@shizachan8421]

@@SaiScribbles Hey Sai, remember back in the 00s when we were all gay and edgy and all had bloody razorblades on our profiles because it was so dark and deep? Fuck, imagine how much the teens nowadays would suffer a mental breakdown over that.

[@SkylarThompson-mu1qs]

@@SaiScribbles Ignore Shiza Chan, some teenagers after the 00s have s3lf harmed. Shiza admitted they don't care if someone who has sh trauma has a mental breakdown. And you hearted it.

[@SaiScribbles]

@@SkylarThompson-mu1qs They were making a joke about when teenagers were edgy on the internet instead lighten up.

[@makeart-notwar-6732]

@@SkylarThompson-mu1qs slow your roll, mother mary

[@michealangelou411]

I hate Cougar for how clickbaity all of his stuff is, but come on Parents nowadays are notorious for leaving their children unsupervised with a phone and then bitching that their child is watching this kind of stuff, when they're the one leaving them to their devices (pun intended) And then people want everyone else blamed and changed, because they themselves won't change how bad of a parent they are to give a shit about their child and what they're doing on the internet, until it's too late They want the internet to become child friendly by handicapping everyone else, instead of working on themself and helping their child explore the internet in a safe way

[@dummyyogurt5375]

Tbf, I think the main point is that making content for children means sexual thumbnails like that shouldn't be ok. If they're not making content for kids, then nobody would care. The disagreement here is on wether or not content like cougar's is made for kids or not.

[@arivibin3318]

This is honestly pretty much how I feel note for note, love the humor you threw in here too. It's nice seeing people not be all life and death on dumbass topics like this

[@Ramsey276one]

The Cable Guy: time to kill *T* he V* abysitter!

[@amethystimagination3332]

I do think that the digital circus stuff aimed at kids is bad, that show wasn’t intended for kids to begin with. But a) the video in question wasn’t intended for kids and they put a warning indicating that, and b) it’s not the rest of the world’s fault that parents are refusing to pay attention to their kids.

[@darkzeroprojects4245]

Every time you suggest it, you get bashed for "encouraging helicopter parenting" Having SOME slight care and concern for your kid isnt that you dingus.

[@FeminineBoy-ox9dr]

Ah, Twitter. The land where logic goes to die.

[@JV-nm1fy]

True dat.

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

I disagree with the premise that logic ever ventured into that cursed hellscape in order for it to die there in the first place

[@FeminineBoy-ox9dr]

@@airplanes_aren.t_real fair point.

[@JV-nm1fy]

@@airplanes_aren.t_real Understandable

[@waldothewalrus2087]

That's why I don't have twitter, I'm smart

[@HAzeruuki]

I've worked in childhood education to advice parents and personnel (teachers etc) how to keep children safe on the internet, and can I just say, telling youtubers to stop putting tiddies on their thumbnails ain't it. Where's your vitriol for, idk, horny mobile game ads that show up on games/media INTENDED for children?? In my work that was actually a big issue, not youtube creators... Like yeah, I know it sucks, but even if everyone agreed to keep the internet sanitized for kids, there's always bad actors. That's why education is targeted to parents and childcare/school workers, not content creators lol

[@003dylan]

Is there a documentary or talk about this? I work in a similar industry and it would be cool if someone named with credentials sat down and went over the stuff that's actually harmful for kids and the stuff that people who never interact with children think is bad. Side note the most harmful thing I've seen a kid watch on KZbin while I was at work was the animated videos for the first Starbomb album.

[@HAzeruuki]

@@003dylan My sources are unfortunately in Finnish since I live there and I worked in a government funded position, so the materials we sourced and produced were in Finnish and Swedish (official languages here). "Pelastakaa Lapset", "Stop, Slow & Go" and "Kyberturvallisuuskeskus" have some information in English though! Good words to search could be "Multiliteracy" and "New Literacies Programme". I bet those could get you some results as well. Who knows, some ppl who worked in the same programme as me could've produced stuff in English! I feel you though, there aren't that many documentaries/videos/sources for this stuff, we had to scour places to get what little we had. Most of our sources came from lectures in conventions we were lucky to attend, which of course weren't recorded :( True, I think youtube is surprisingly age appropriate to their target audience, 13-year-olds and up! My target demographic was children aged 0-6 years old, however, so you could imagine that most stuff on youtube isn't intended for them :')

[@HAzeruuki]

@@003dylan Was my reply eaten by KZbin? This platform sucks ass

[@magical571]

@@003dylan if smash is the worst you've seen them interact with, then they are perfectly fine lol. They get way more explicit content just on the radio

[@003dylan]

@@magical571 Haha yeah, I've got another kid who watches conspiracy adjacent videos and we had to have a long 'not everything on the internet is true' talk several times.

[@sealo1351]

"stop harassing me!" proceeds to pop into a public stream and draw attention to themselves at that point, you're just asking for it bud 🙏

[@realdavestrider]

personally i think any explicitly sexual content on youtube that isn't age restricted is weird cause the "[not] made for kids" filter really makes no difference in the algorithm, but at the same time fully clothed cartoon furry boobies are such a non issue in comparison to the other shit people can get away with uploading

[@candra1703]

i agree with dave, people have even posted videos on how to shave their bum holes and put on some rubber

[@THEFabianValenzuela]

Homestuck pfp

[@mynameisambertoo7379]

Yea there's actual porn and videos of plastic surgeons groping naked women under the guise of "medical education", but it's the animal boob we need to censor.

[@OllieBeesGarden]

thank you dave strider

[@silliest-astro]

this is so tame compared to the cropped r34 of child characters that i've seen used as thumbnails on here

[@socksinsoda9517]

You're too powerful, they had to call in other people for backup like you're an Avengers level threat

[@XxxAshHazardxxX]

Wanna know the most ironic part of this whole debacle??? Jakeneutron has a NSFW side project staring his OC Ramses in collab with another artist where he made an FNF mod depicting Ramses and Ricky (the other OC) having.... let's just say gay fun times with each other. Very hypocritical for him to be mad at this thumbnail you made and have that mod made like he isn't as freaky as the rest lol

[@SaiScribbles]

Pretty hypocritical of him to try to manipulate his teenage friends into telling Cougar he can't do certain things with his channel.

[@sconesandjam]

@XxxAshHazardxxX I just left a comment making a joke about that, too, goddamit, why are they always so transparent. 😂

[@Shuffles_Art]

Fr like getting so mad about a *slightly* revealing outfit and a pin up pose, while having a whole FNF project based around full on gay sex is crazy 💀

[@XxxAshHazardxxX]

​@@sconesandjam beats me lol

[@XxxAshHazardxxX]

​@@Shuffles_Art I despise fake ass MFs who can't be real with themselves and go around throwing shade on others for doing the same exact thing they themselves are doing.

[@amethystimagination3332]

This reminds me of the parents in 2016 who took their kids to see Sausage Party and got pissed because they didn’t check the film’s ratings, or notice that the poster is a dick joke.

[@mkboy2830]

Something I saw recently was a guy getting upset about the new 100% screens for fnf was like a sex joke of them going at it, sir this is a game thats name is a pun on Friday night fucking. Ya should expect some sex jokes.

[@khaliyahjefferson832]

bro in school some boy in one of the classes next to mine showed me a scene of the movie which I saw as an ex scene and mind you I'm in middle school like 12 -13 some shit and without a thought my head I smack the his phone and he got the nerve to get mad at me like bro you're watching something that you shouldn't be watching

[@SkylarThompson-mu1qs]

@@khaliyahjefferson832 He should have not showed that to you without consent. Put the blame on that instead of judging what he watches.

[@khaliyahjefferson832]

@@SkylarThompson-mu1qs and people say I'm weird cuz I don't talk nah they are weird like the girls in my class asked how I get so thick and I was joking but I'm not and then one time they asked me if I was dating one of my bullies

[@SkylarThompson-mu1qs]

@@khaliyahjefferson832 That was weird.

[@agramuglia]

Honestly, the sensitivity of people online when it comes to erotic art in general is kind of exhausting.

[@agramuglia]

Like, i was 11 when i played Silent Hill. Guess that makes Silent Hill a children's game based on their logic.

[@Probably_JENOVA]

Yeah. It’s become very Puritan.

[@phyllotaxis]

I think the wildest was when people wanted to cancel Beth Cavener for making "problematic furry art". She is a sculptor whose art is in the Smithsonian.

[@edelweiss8598]

THE HECKIN' RUGRATS THEME WHEN TOPPY SHOWED UP, I'M CRYING.

[@sharkjumpingwalrus6744]

What people think NSFW means: Porn. What NSFW actually means: anything that would be seen as unprofessional to do in the work place. This can range from goofing off during your work time, to strait up OSHA violations. The photos in question show at worst suggestive themes, in which adult content is hinted at. Suggestive themes can be found in many games aimed at teenagers; for example Rachet and Clank has so many body humor and sex jokes. There's the titles, like Going Commando or Up Your Arsenal to name a few. And that's not even getting into the in game jokes.

[@a.t.9197]

Also gore and violence is nsfw

[@mysryuza]

THANK YOU. NSFW is not always sexual and people need to understand that.

[@InfinitySevens]

@@a.t.9197 Gore would fall more under NSFL (not safe for life)

[@TeeMeeRee]

Personally, I'm not the biggest fan of channels that use NSFW art in their thumbnails for clickbait (No judgement, I know that's how you play YT game) but these twitter freaks are sooo irate about the most inconsequential things, its insane.

[@Shuffles_Art]

Exactly like I don’t like it, but I’m not gonna start running some sorta hate campaign just cus some people use engaging artwork just to keep up with the algorithm. I bet half of the people complaining about it weren’t even old enough to witness the *huge* click bait campaigns that went on in KZbin’s early days 😂😂

[@darkzeroprojects4245]

It's not even a Twitter problem sadly. Seems Gen z is more puritanical and tech illiterate than boomers.

[@bedroombunny9529]

"Digital Circus is popular with children" so is Five Nights at Freddy's. I don't care what is popular for children because ANYTHING can become popular with children because children don't seem to understand that not everything is made for them. The amount of times I have had conversations with people who reveal themselves as under 18 who are complaining about a show that is rated R-18+ or NC17, showing something that is dark or shocking, and then getting butt-hurt when I tell them that they shouldn't be consuming that stuff in the first place is staggering.

[@darkzeroprojects4245]

Yep. Even I was guilty of getting into stuff I was too young for back then, but yeah these people are full of it.

[@Its_Asteria]

Admittedly I got into fnaf when I was 14. However I was pretty close to the age rating of the game anyways and knew what I'd be getting into. 7 year Olds though? Holy shit. I've met a LOT of people who found fnaf when they were 7 and I'm just like "So your parents gave you unlimited access to the internet AT SEVEN?"

[@everest5718]

Yeah, Digital Circus was always meant to be a black comedy show with a certain aesthetic, you can see that in the trailers before the pilot came out and made it super popular. But a lot of kids saw something “edgy” and colourful and decided to watch it too, which is why there’s so many stupid takes online about it - it’s mostly kids being stupid and not understanding the show they like.

[@Fluffypinkdragon1984]

My dad loved watership down and fritz the cat when he was a kid and if know anything about those movies you know there definitely not for kids

[@tomcaniff6437]

people who think they "serve justice" on the internet are usually just being disagreeable for the sake of claiming moral superiority over you whenever you make a mistake, even if that mistake is completely imaginary, they don't care. it's about them, not the kids, not KZbin, not society. They just want to be angry about something and have decided to look for excuses on your doorstep.

[@SaiScribbles]

Exactly and I'm tired of it. They rely on reasonable people being too polite and non-confrontational to keep getting away with their bullshit.

[@tomcaniff6437]

@@SaiScribbles same energy as getting told to kill yourself for playing a game wrong, which is what caused me to research this topic in the first place

[@HatsuneMikusLeek-j3l]

Remember when KZbinrs said "We are not your babysitters. Actually get off your phone and do your job by being a parent" to these twitter users? Can we please go back to that?

[@Arexion5293]

NSFW? That's at best a suggestive drawing. Is the idea now that we need to prevent any level of suggestive things from being seen by kids? Okay, I guess we need to ban kids from all swimming places and anything gymnastics related because swimsuits and leotards show skin. Like what's the line here if a mere drawing like this is an issue? Even Disney movies have this sort of stuff...

[@lauragrigoletto906]

I'd like to add that by that logic we should ban kids from going to a lot of art/history museums and some historical areas of Italy (can't talk for other countries) because you're bound to run into some kind of nude like Michelangelo's David and in case that happens those who get punished should be the city or the museum organizers

[@drakelawrenceejurango5326]

this comment reads is stupid

[@cameoshadowness7757]

Do you know how many ads have sexual themes in them? Might as well get rid of all of them.

[@shakachoarroyo]

Sai, you're doing your duty as the adut in the room and scolding these kids for their bad behavior. Truly a real one.

[@SaiScribbles]

Considering most of my colleagues are much younger than me yeah I feel the need to lol

[@hoopitydoopity]

If only these crazy twt mfs (and tiktok too, prob even worse there) were just teens then maybe you could say they'll grow out of it, but I've seen so many mid 20s to 30 year olds arguing using the exact same puritanical talking points, I swear they're like brainwashing the next gen or smth

[@fritzyfox3713]

The fuckin Rugrats trap remix when the baby appears in chat. I can’t 😭😂

[@SaiScribbles]

I was so happy to find a good mix of it lol

[@sconesandjam]

The funniest thing about this is that I've noticed a trend that whenever people go *really* hard on topics like this, they almost always have an alt NSFW, 18+ account that they thirst on. It's *always* funny.

[@mr.eggsandwich8138]

“Begone child! Do the boobs not scare you?!” -Sai 2024

[@ThisJess]

As a parent....who draws nsfw for fun...of course I keep an eye on my kids content. Obviously. My kids want to make and post videos and watch HH, and I'm like nope nope, we're waiting for your brain to form a bit more before we do any of that! This is why I'm not on Twitter.

[@a.t.9197]

Glad you recognize that animation doesn't = content for kids. A lot of people still have the "cartoons are for kids" mindset.

[@silliest-astro]

@@a.t.9197it was genuinely infuriating to hear "how many of you let your kids vote for this one" when best animated feature came up at the oscars :( animation is a medium and it can be used for anything, NOT just content for kids. it's so much more than kids shows.

[@jerbear8884]

Jake Neutron sounds like the evil Jimmy Neutron clone

[@kingj9664]

Do you even know what Jake neutron does

[@jerbear8884]

@@kingj9664 i actually dont know

[@sunsetter4940]

He makes cool songs+ covers Also I was wondering why the name sound so familiar. Jake. Jimmy. Neutron. Huh.

[@gummidon1618]

Sucks cause I’m subscribed to him on yt, don’t have twitter so never know what’s going on on there. I followed him for his fnf mods cause they’re always super impressive

[@paontdumb]

I hate when I go into spaces that think I'm being stupid and they call my stupid, those people are just being brainwashed!

[@genemelendez368]

This is really just that one Simpsons meme, isn’t it. “Won’t someone please think of the children”

[@Shuffles_Art]

Oof this whole “drama” is so embarrassing, I can’t believe the dude straight up had to call in his goons just to help him fight on Twitter then cries wolf when he brings himself into another person’s stream to complain and whine about it 😂😂 All of this “think of the children” bullshit just rings so hollow when you take a deeper dive into it. All of these guys don’t give a shit about protecting kids, it’s a vessel for projecting their own views and hatred onto others and find any excuse to get rid of them. If they really cared about kids, they’d go after real things that actually harm children, not attacking artists for making adult content about an adult show. Such bullshit 💀

[@SaiScribbles]

The funniest part is the two he tried to call on already had me blocked.

[@Shuffles_Art]

@@SaiScribbles pfft holy fuck that’s so embarrassing 💀😂😂 Like ain’t no way bro starts an argument, already thinks he’s won but then has to ping in his friends. If anyone tries shit like that, you just know they’ve already lost the argument 🪦

[@freakfoxvevo7915]

Can't wait for Toppy's video to come out for the inevitable roast from Sai

[@evelutioncor]

I'm still waiting on that video. I've been waiting for so long.

[@SaiScribbles]

You know if he has the energy to spare.

[@god-rj5wf]

poppy playtime isn't for kids and they technically shouldn't be in that fandom by themselves btw. TADC is DEFINITELY not for kids, especially as the creator says its meant to get darker on the psychological horror angle as it goes on. isn't it weird that everyone who was just complaining about COPPA a few years ago is now just self-sanitizing? this isn't even a situation where its racy content of a show that actually IS for children, some children just so happen to like the source material even if it's not for them? how is this ANYONE ELSES responsibility other than the hypothetical kid's parents???

[@alecrutz956]

honestly I don't think a lot of these people were complaining about COPPA a few years ago, remember a lot of these people are quite young and there's a good chance they weren't even on the internet at the time (or didn't have the reach they do now or were on tumblr)

[@LaNoLaCola]

That manifesto has got to be one of the cringiest things I heard in a while.

[@lovinani7]

JakeNeutron needs to take it down a notch and check himself. His indie fame shouldn't give him the right to be a puritan, ESPECIALLY not when he once made mods for FNF, a Newgrounds game with colorful art and filled with MANY sexual innuendos. If this gets any more crazy, I'm taking this to Twitter.

[@SaiScribbles]

Jakey boy may be projecting considering those accusations from a few years ago 💅

[@Shuffles_Art]

On god I’ve hated Jake Neutron for so long and I’m glad other people are finally managing to catch on too 💀

[@doubleaabattery7562]

He also has that gay sex mod he made, and the other mod where one of his buff OCS was getting googly eyes from gf (I actually can't remember if he made that one)

[@Replica_Rabbit]

Man, don't show this guy Angewomon from Digimon since she was way worse than your drawing. Also, if that causes kids to have porn addiction, then I would be crazy addicted to porn

[@GravityFaiz]

I’ll do you one better, Lilithmon. There’s an episode in Xross Wars where Llithmon ends up wearing something really risqué.

[@Replica_Rabbit]

@@GravityFaiz I'll do one better, Angewomon and Ladydevimon have that slapping fight near the end of the series

[@pastelx7]

I had it and have some remains from it. We would Find other ways but definitely won't of been bad if my parents actually dealt with it. When I was younger I had to try to get lewd stuff but one suggestive picture wasn't gonna pull me in. He doesn't produce that type of content. Do these people not get if they got that problem there is actual websites that provide that 18+ content? But wait they didn't think about that they too had to lie on yt to be to immature to handle suggestive videos (tho this is just a thumbnail)as well. It's just wild to blame other people for parents whom aren't teaching their kids how to use the internet appropriately.

[@julialugo629]

Angewomon is not worse than that art of Pomni. Angewomon's breasts are covered, I'd say underboob is worse than that. Also, Lady Devimon is even more covered up than her.

[@astralGrenade]

don't show this guy yokai watch i watched it as a kid and it's basically pokemon if it was 𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴𝔂

[@karmageddon9047]

What's so crazy, is i decided to look it up, and from what I saw- The story went "We were working on a mod and the mod team was majorly minors, so we asked him to not make that content" [they have no right to, they can.. not watch his content, as minors]. and as an adult, he said 'okay i guess'. but changed his mind. and that makes him bad for 'exposing minors to nsfw'. when he... was never, as far as im aware, sending any of his videos or thumbnails TO THEM. And more crazy, is when people decided mods for FNF had to be child friendly because kids were in the fandom.. when FNF is a NEWGROUNDS game. If children want to be apart of the fandom, sure, but parents should monitor the content, and if minors see it, we can discourage them from doing so, and try to prevent it- but not at the expense of *not doing it at all*. That's so puritanical. To tell someone they have to stop doing what they do because theres a risk of a child seeing it is insane. thats my take

[@SaiScribbles]

Cougar also wasn't aware some of the people working on it were minors cause he trusted someone else to bring more people on and thought no minors went without saying. It was a shit show

[@karmageddon9047]

my rant is a little scattered so im gonna yeet it but basically i agree with u lmao, parents need to make sure their kids are not seeing inappropriate content

[@karmageddon9047]

@@SaiScribbles oh my god really? that just. makes it worse. 'You're exposing this to minors' "wait, there are minors?" like how the hell was it in any way cougars fault, oh my god.

[@alecrutz956]

this makes me so glad that the creators of the game updated it so that one of the victory screens is boyfriend and girlfriend diving into bed and uh... going at it. Maybe now they can pick up that this game ISN'T FOR FCKING KIDS

[@karmageddon9047]

@@alecrutz956 they did that? Thats crazy

[@CedarCritter]

My god, I'm 24 and an openly NSFW artist (as well as some good ol porn art), I am so fucking sick and tired of purity extremists trying to tear us down for the sake of "protecting children" when a lot of us are parents and create this kind of art to make money because it pays more than SFW content and therefore we'd be able to take better care of our kids If they actually cared about kids' safety on the internet, they could instead focus more on the minors instead of the adults trying to make a damn living?

[@SaiScribbles]

Keep in mind most of the people making these arguments are people without children who are in their teens and early 20's. They just think "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" is an inarguable excuse when its really about things THEY don't like.

[@SaiScribbles]

I've also said before the internet is a public space, so yeah if you don't watch your toddler in public and they wander into a strip club that would be on you, not on the club for existing.

[@CedarCritter]

@@SaiScribbles Yeah, good point- I'm just dead tired so I'm extra annoyed by stupid people saying and doing stupid shit because they haven't comprehended nuance thinking due to lack of experience and whatnot I just discovered you anyhow (funnily enough through one of your Lily Orchard vids) and I've enjoyed watching you dunk on these people so hope you keep up the good work lol

[@kamikazelemming1552]

Y'know, I used to be subscribed to Cougar. Really liked his Godzilla dubs. But when the thumbnails changed to what they are now, you know what I did? I simply unsubscribed. I didn't insult the guy, or mock him, or call him all sorts of mean things. I just made the choice to remove the pictures from my subscription feed, and left. People like Toppy are just bullies looking to justify their harassment. Also, didn't realize Sai was the one doing the thumbnails for Cougar. I found her channel just recently, after discovering her video of Lily's terrible take on Delicious in Dungeon, so finding out she knew Cougar was a huge surprise. It's like when I found out Lily knew Joshscorcher.

[@SaiScribbles]

I only do some of them there's several artists.

[@VortAmort]

same here. loved his godzilla dub content, and still watch a few of em once in a while. it baffles me how people will spin around on an office chair screaming at the top of their lungs on twitter about a channel taking another direction, like yeah, that happens- business is business.

[@JamesP7]

Oh Lily “knew” Josh Scorcher alright… sad

[@MelodyRose96]

I find it hilarious and puzzling that this kid thinks he come on to YOUR channel and YOUR chat to try and disrespect you and think he won't get mocked for it. Like, really, what did he expect? Was he expecting a thoughtful and rational discussion? Even after he started by trying to turn your own following against you? On your streams where you don't filter at all? Really??? This kid isn't just the clown, he's the whole goddamn circus lmao

[@SaiScribbles]

Yeah if he thinks he's enough of a big boy to talk to adults like this on Twitter then he can get some adult level pushback lol

[@thatwaffleguy4958]

@@SaiScribbles “If you can’t stand the heat, get the fuck outta my kitchen.” - An old saying from my grandparents.

[@altaccountforthelols]

the way that people are acting like you should be burned at the stake for drawing boobs is wild to me 💀 like HH, HB and Poppy Playtime aren’t for toddlers, why are people acting like its the content creators job to parent the kids watching them. That’s the parents job. It’s not the creators fault that people don’t wanna watch their kids like huh 😭

[@nicwoolfe6660]

As we wait for the Lily drama to die off, I wouldn't mind a round two talking about puritan culture. I just saw a video by a FNAFtuber complaining about Digital Circus content farms, and wouldn't you know it, Cougar was the first subject of their video. Granted, they have 6 times the subscribers as Lily does, but who knows, it could be fun.

[@andrewdiaz3529]

If this were like 10 years ago, sure, i would maybe understand the "cougar is a content farm" claims. But this is a dude paying a bunch of thumbnail artists, getting fan artists' permission to voice their comics, paying VAs and doing a solid job voicing the same characters in dozens of different ways. That isn't content farm behavior. And his critics never go after the AI voiced uncredited stolen art channels. And for "oh this thumbnail, that's about as revealing as 1930s pin ups, is too much for kids to see" BS, some of those AI stolen art farms have been padding out the runtime of their videos by randomly inserting literal gore comics (also stolen)

[@thebattle7000]

Isn't Jakeneutron a part of the FNF community, which has a massive child audience? While the game itself is very much inappropriate for children?

[@evelutioncor]

Really? FNF is inappropriate for children?

[@thebattle7000]

​@@evelutioncorThe game is literally about the boyfriend singing to impress his girlfriend's parents so that he can fuck her. If you get 100% accuracy in the newest build, there's an animation of bf jumping into bed naked and the two tossing in bed. The entirety of the mom character is sex. Pico from Pico's School, an old flash game about a school shooting, where you murder a bunch of your classmates. The game is very much not for children.

[@XxxAshHazardxxX]

@@evelutioncor The game is called Friday Night Funkin.... it's a play on word for Friday Night F--king. You play as the boyfriend wanting to bang the girlfriend. Of course it's NOT for children. It never intended to be for them from the getgo.

[@noel2641]

@@evelutioncor its a game about a boy wanting to get it on with his girl, with demons that want to eat skin, and one of the enemys literally has a line that says that hes gonna have the girfriend gurgle his balls after he beats the mc.

[@sonicfanboy3375]

It has a song called "MILF"​@@evelutioncor

[@PlanetZoidstar]

People making mature themed content based on media aimed at the 15+ crowd. Won't someone please think of the children??

[@StainedGlassLamp]

Im demiaro/demiace and I'm typically replused by sexual stuff but I still can acknowledge that for the majority of people it's normal and wanted. Plus I hate western culture that is so instant on sex shaming like bruh. For most people it's literally normal. Yes, keep it away from kids, but that's the parents job not content creators. Also people just assume all kids and even teens are innocent like bruh what highschool did you go do where your peers weren't talking about sex and porn and moaning in the lunchroom. (All things my peers did in highschool) Teenagers, especially older ones, are fucking gross as hell and that's just the reality. How do people come up with this shit that teens are not into sexual shit??? Yeah as an adult looking back its weird and disturbing but that's a normal part of growing up for most people! I don't get people.

[@bachilles3285]

Twitter Nazis will be Twitter Nazis.

[@oliviaclove4582]

It’s disappointing to see people do these weird “crusades” against people when there’s frankly bigger fish to fry. While I’m not the biggest fan of fan service comics and the dubs that come out of them, they’re not really the problem here at all. PARENTS NEED TO WATCH WHAT THERE KIDS WATCH PLAIN AND SIMPLE! Kids have way to much unfiltered access period. A discussion can be had about parents mental state/free time for sure but at the end of the day they need to be getting a handle on what there children see just as much as KZbin needs to properly filter things. If these kids actually said something like “KZbin doesn’t properly filter these videos out like they should”, which is true and a separate discussion to be had, then at least they’d have some kind of point but this is just ridiculous.

[@old_memoriaa]

Children shouldn’t even know what a Hazbin hotel is SO WHY IS IT YOUR FAULT THAT SOME OF THEM ARE WATCHING CONTENT AROUND IT? according to their logic at least??

[@Rainbonana]

Doesn’t Vannamelon do the same thing with her thumbnails?

[@JohnWilliams-wl9px]

By her own logic yes

[@alastoridk]

Exactly

[@GordieGordGord24]

16:03 HES CALLING YOU OUT FOR PUBLIC HUMILIATION WHILE DOING THIS?! 😭😭

[@This-is-a-commentt]

“Evil genius!” Blud thinks he’s in a superhero comic giving a monologue 😭

[@phlogistinatorpb]

Its giving "FAIRY GOD PARENTS!"

[@LaurentIpsum]

The toppy person is making an attempt at what they call crybullying, said, classic online manipulation tactic (also ironic they'd be going on an anti nfsw warpath with the name like toppy. They're also really bad at this crybully stuff)

[@ros9764]

These are the type of people who think just because you are 20 and have friends who are 15 years old makes you a predator

[@gg_sam7847]

13:13 While I think the whole "the animatronics are literally children" argument is stupid, I think the "the kids died a long time ago so their ghosts would be adult now" is even more stupid. Ghosts or whatever essentially work as snapshots of the person at that time. I'm sure you wouldn't be saying "oh but they're an adult now so it's okay" whenever you think about literal CP

[@altaccountforthelols]

Like seriously why do some people think that because some parents aren’t tech literate or don’t wanna look after their kids that its then the creators fault for not making their content “child friendly”, like dude it’s not their job to parent a random kid

[@SaiScribbles]

It reminds me when I worked at Gamestop in my 20's and people would just dump their kids off like it was a playground.

[@altaccountforthelols]

Dude what 😭 GameStop is a store not a daycare and KZbin ain't a substitute for parenting,

[@4my009]

there seriously needs to be some widespread study on how many people have kids out of cultural obligation and dont actually want or like children so theyre not in the mood to raise them and shove that responsibility off to others. Its not the responsibility of EVERYONE online to make only child friendly content and not ever discuss or make any adult stuff. maybe dont put your kid in front of a goddamn ipad all day just because youre not in the mood for them ? lmfao

[@darkzeroprojects4245]

Sadly been that way for a long time. Even when television was invented media and devices were used as a babysitter. Which makes all the stuff cartoons did in the 90s all the more amusing to recall for me. How much parents lost their minds then trying to get video games censored or mad of adult Humor they cleverly sneak in shows. This moral panic stuff sure never changes.

[@darkzeroprojects4245]

​@4my009 Problem is they don't want to admit it or some say "wah dats helicopterr parenting that ba."

[@ripleyandweeds1288]

I think we should put phrases like 'content farm' and 'porn addiction' on a really high shelf where these 13 year olds can't get to them, because they clearly do not know what either of those words mean. edit: 17:59 AI VOICE COVER SPOTTED IN THE FOR YOU CHANNEL PAGE, GET 'IM GIRLS

[@CadDriftarus]

While I'm not a fan of clickbaity thumbnails, I appreciate this stream because I knew someone who was rage-cancelled for complete bullshit. And I'm still salty about Lindsey Ellis.

[@farquadstarsquad3820]

I CANNOT stand people who say that liking the fnaf animatronics is anything about liking dead kids. THATS NOT WHAT THAT MEANS!! ITS THE MOST BAD FAITH ARGUMENT EVER

[@silliest-astro]

EXACTLY. drawing nsfw of fnaf animatronics ≠ drawing nsfw of ghost children. the animatronics: 1. existed prior to dead children possessing them, completely separate, and 2. are furry robots that look nothing like children they don't make the art because the animatronics are possessed by dead kids. they're making the art because furry robots. there is a HUGE difference. it's not p*dophilia or n*crophilia to make furry robot nsfw

[@Yellowmellow1287]

I know lol. People are attracted to the physical ANIMATRONIC, not the child inside of it 😭

[@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho]

I just now noticed you called Twitter “Xitter” in the description and I’m trying not to cackle

[@TeamChaosPrez]

the funniest thing about this is i went to look at the accounts in question and one of them has gone private while toppy has been suspended lmao

[@SaiScribbles]

LOL yeah someone was showing me that last night. I have no idea what happened to either of them.

[@alecrutz956]

@@SaiScribbles could have to do with dropping the r bomb, maybe one of their "friends" reported them or something. that or throwing death threats at other people cause I've seen it and I'm sure you've seen it before too.

[@zlbproductions7340]

On one hand, I get where they're coming from. Cougar runs what I'd call a content farm, one which leans on things that are super popular with kids (despite any creators' intents or age ratings). That's how stuff like his gets so many views - mass appeal. It isn't "made for kids", but it isn't really content made for *adults* either, not explicitly, despite the heavily suggestive clickbait thumbnails and titles and such. Those thumbnails are usually way more suggestive than any of the content in the videos too, which is more just a pet peeve. (One thing I never hear anyone mention: he *constantly* repeats character names in the dubs when they aren't in the text of the comics. That and all of the silly riffs, and the VAs' intonations, it all feels super key-jangling. However, they're only getting mad at the thumbnails and not even watching the videos, so...) From personal experience as a former child, it's popular with kids (well, young teenagers) because of puberty. Just because it's not marked as "made for kids" doesn't mean kids won't watch it! That's the way of the internet, we just need to be mindful of it. It's good that Cougar is doing his part with the content advisory warnings for suggestive subjects now. On the other hand... These people are so serious about it? When it's super unnecessary?? It's clickbait. It's *egregious* clickbait, but it's just CLICKBAIT. This is very silly outrage. There's only really a couple examples of Cougar's thumbnails being "too far" even for a teen audience, and those are somewhat old examples that I haven't even seen these guys mention, so what's even the point except to just be mad? Like, at the VERY least, he isn't one of those guys doing dubs of straight up p0rn comics and just cropping out or cutting around the naughty parts. (I don't want YT to autodelete this comment, sorry.) Also, just wanted to say: your thumbnail art is some of my favorite stuff from Cougar. So uh...thanks! Keep up the good work? Sorry for the essay, I just have a lot of thoughts about this sorta thing, most of those thoughts being "this isn't that serious, this is all so annoying to me".

[@Theweirdunicorn69]

This is so stupid. If those videos aren’t marketed toward kids, what’s the problem? Twitter is so dumb smh

[@CommanderDarcy]

my only problem with sexualized drawings of adult characters i like is that i'm ace and that gives me jumpscare every time in other words, i don't have a prob with it, i'm just a lil guy

[@centersolace]

whenever i see ppl like this i just picture that scene from the simpsons with smithers cowering in the corner from the strippers

[@victorlannister5606]

That kid literally came to a stream full of people who disagree with him and was like: “Harrassment!😢” like go away child!!!

[@magical571]

i find it a little weird though, because if kids are that young and innocent, which, at some point all kids are, they won't even realize what sexual content is and if it's there unless it's something extremely obvious like their parents honeymoon tape....it's the type of thing that adults will complain about and make weird and awkard.... By this same logic, no kid should watch sailor moon, look at how much skin they show, look at those pretty (excuse me, seXuAl) transformation sequences with their smooth (excuse me, seXuAl) silouettes, short skirts, battle bikinis lol, etc. even though it's something me and so many kids and adults love in an extremely wholesome way.... on the other side of the spectrum, i'm not gonna be the one to pretend that bronycons are/were pg13 lol, even though they were based on a show aimed fundamentally at kids, at first. But i think it's pretty clear at this point that a huge chunk of it comes down to the viewer or community and how they choose to interact with certain media... will they make wholesome oc's with their own outfits like a kid most likely did in the 90's with sailor moon? will they say "please think of the children" at the scenes of neptune and saturn? will they get outraged at the sailor starlights? will they get wholesome pony toys to braid their hair? or will they make thirsty body pillows out of them? And seriously....at no point was youtube created as a rated E for everyone site....it sort of happened along the way that some channels created kid oriented content, but that doesn't mean the site suddenly owes it to the parents to be blindly chosen as a babysitter replacement. You know what fixes that? get more involved, or ditched youtube for your kid altogether, stick to streaming services, cartoon network shows, disney and pixar movies, nickelodeon, dreamworks, disney+ etc (and even if they aren't "great", ilumination). When you had to watch vhs tapes, there was no risk of watching something "wrong" unless your parent said "sure pick wathever" and never checked what you brought home lol. same applies here. Or when p2p started, you could download anything....even porn, unless your parent knew better than to never check at all what you were getting access to if you were THAT young were this would be an issue (who cares if a teen sees a thumbnail like that lol, a lot of teenagers are horny af pretty early lol, some won't think of it until they reach college, some will get pregnant, it's just how it goes)

[@SaiScribbles]

You're absolutely right about sexual stuff just not registering to kids. I distinctly recall that the first time I rewatched Who Framed Roger Rabbit as an older teen I yelled out "WHO LET ME WATCH THIS AS A LITTLE KID!?"

[@swamplinglvr]

Appreciate the Rugrats theme to go with this person's bizarre tantrum throwing.

[@mkboy2830]

Can't wait for that one guy to comment.

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

Who?

[@FeminineBoy-ox9dr]

@@airplanes_aren.t_real think they mean toppy

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

@@FeminineBoy-ox9dr again who?

[@FeminineBoy-ox9dr]

@@airplanes_aren.t_real have you watched the video?

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

@Daboypurplhart oooooooh thanks

[@sherlocksmuuug6692]

This truly is one of the dramas of all time.

[@tyrantking9000]

"You're shifting blame." Maybe...just _maybe_ children shouldn't be on the internet, unless they go to sites meant for kids, and when they go to sites like youtube and the like, they should have a parent with them so they don't get hurt, harassed, or something.

[@lulujuice1]

I used to watch Kittensneeze and all I know is at SOME point, them and Jake had some drama... Now this makes me suspicious as to why.

[@scootermcpeanuts6699]

I say this as someone who has a huge distaste for cougar macdowell’s content, that dude on Twitter trying to summon their posse to ‘put you in your place’ was absolutely hilarious. Still a little iffy about cougar though, it’s less so the NSFW I have a problem with and moreso the fact that it’s nearly exclusively based on series that have a huge following of kids.

[@evelutioncor]

Understandable. (Responding to the second paragraph)

[@sleepybearcubxx]

Well the properties themselves aren't really for children though, it's the problem of content farms making it seem that way. The most recent chapter of Poppy Playtime literally has a body horror scene

[@scootermcpeanuts6699]

@@sleepybearcubxx Oh yeah, make no mistake, I don’t think the properties are MADE for children, but because the characters have bright, colorful, and appealing designs, they ended up attracting a sizable fanbase of them. A lot of the blame definitely falls on content farms for that one, but it’s common knowledge at this point that there are a TON of children in the fanbases for things like TDAC and poppy playtime, regardless of target demographic. That’s why the NFSW thumbnails rub me the wrong way like I said. The hazbin ones I don’t really have an issue with because while kids are still present, that fanbase is mainly teenagers from what I’ve seen.

[@evelutioncor]

@scootermcpeanuts6699 And children shouldn't even be watching Hazbin Hotel in the first place. It contains subject matter that they probably shouldn't be seeing.

[@evelutioncor]

@@sleepybearcubxx *coughs* Chucky

[@R0ckyyzz420]

I feel personally this uh may have been a bit in poor taste; to be honest I mean you ARE a 40 year old making ig lewdish nsfw art for thumbnails on you tube. While yes adults should monitor their children's content its also important as a content creator to know what ur posting and be aware of what u are doing. Poppy playtime may be 13+ (which is still children anyway) but maybe kids under that age watch poppy playtime content farms and that's not really a hidden thing i think its decently well known. if u search poppy playtime most of the stuff IS very dumb down baby content. I would say i know a 17 entering the chat to get attention maybe could translate as warranted harassment but again i mean..u are a 40 year old and they are a 17 year old..it doesn't take much to have the maturity to just either kick them out of the chat or to actually drop the convo if that's what u wished. u have a right to do what u want online; that doesn't mean its outrageous for people to be upset or not agree with things. I think cougar handled this whole thing decently and while i also agree the clickbait and nsfw is distasteful this was definitely a worse way to go about it. This whole thing is kinda yuck tho; everyone knows children content farms and little kids arent always on youtube kids and that they watch tadc or fnaf or poppy playtime so this is just all kinda in poor taste.

[@fotdk1]

I don't really care about this drama, but parents basically use the internet and tablets to raise their kids now instead of slapping them in front of a tv and they do have a responsibility to wrangle them and provide support and enrichment. Conflict and disagreements are now pathologized into "abuse". the younger person sounds annoying, and if hes slandering people, that's bad. I feel slightly sorry for him because he's been brainwashed by other unwell people in this modern, asocial internet hellscape.

[@entr3_nou5]

People getting pissy about someone drawing Poppy Playtime characters with some underboob like that game isn’t in the exact same realm as FNAF and those games have an official animatronic character that only wears panties and a bib… and is a children’s mascot in universe 😭 LIKE DO YOU HEAR YOURSELF

[@Kid15X]

Kids online are wild these days, they're so against anything remotely sexual that it's honestly kind of concerning

[@bobateapenguin]

unrelated but your thumbnail art is really good! Other than that I love the pearl clutching on twitter like omg its not that deep y'all

[@SaiScribbles]

I'm a professional after all lol. I draw what I'm paid to.

[@Killjoyous__]

Guys…. I dunno if you know this… but content farming or clickbaiting isn’t a crime….

[@anothercub6958]

Especially for stuff that's as harmless as the popular internet trends of the month. It's at least understandable to be mad at channels pretending to be informative doing that sort of thing.

[@AryaPlus]

A lot of the world is capitalist... When you quite literally need money to survive, I don't see what's wrong with trying to get more engagement, making more money.

[@BigPenstroker]

The Rugrats trap remix as toppy shows up is amazing

[@Demont]

Just wow, Btw I like your art style and I might commission you someday.

[@BigPenstroker]

THE IMMEDIATE BLOCK EVASION!!! SAI YOU ARE MY HERO!!! ❤❤❤

4:27 Looking at memes is technically NSFW.

[@RUNNEbytheinternet]

Sai, Woke up and chose violence! And that's why we love her!!!

[@ProudPlatypus]

When your life goal is to clutch pearls harder than Helen Lovejoy.

[@whichcache2517]

Huh. You know, I've heard about how some VA channels will have alluring thumbnails or whatever to make it more enticing for people to click on their videos and stuff, but I've never heard about it from the side of the people who actually draw the thumbnails. It's interesting.

[@Snomwithaknife420]

Peeps the SepTm stuff… and Toppy reblogged the image of their character in a suggestive outfit.

[@letmedie.1690]

theres no fucking way that google doc at the beggining is "h-his thumbnails use suggestive art 😭" and it has like 10k rts and people going "ooh he's done his career is over!!!" do people Not Read

[@TotalFreakZoid]

.... Okay but lowkey the picture looks amazing. I love seeing Amazing Digital Circus still being in the middle of controversies about characters being 'sexualized'

[@societyslostone]

The only horror I consider "kid-friendly" is Courage the Cowardly Dog and Scooby-Doo. Poppy's Playtime, FNAF, And the like I never once considered to be for kids cuz of the blood and implied violence. DogDay literally has the Smiling Critters claw their way into his strung up torso as he's screaming in agony. Parents neglecting their kids online activities leads to them seeing things they shouldn't.

[@M4x4r0ni]

All of this would be solved if parents went back to giving their kids those LeapFrog interactive booklets instead of blindly tossing their kids into the bloodthirsty wild west that is the internet.

[@nebulamess6875]

On one hand I dont like the fighting and cinflict, but on the other every single time I see ur videos I just grab the popcorn and see what happens next. Keep up the great work ❤

[@Badgermoles4444]

That dramatic anime villain reading was peak.

[@victorlannister5606]

I know cougar’s channel and yeah it is suuuupppper clickbaity. And the comics in question that he voices are usually a bit nsfw but nothing like some of the channels that are obviously made to attract kids to weird f*tish content. There’s a lot of that stuff already sorta hidden in the background of kids media anyway. But recently something that infuriates me is the way parents demand that they have to control everything their children learns from school bc it’s indoctrinating their kids but TikTok and KZbin couldn’t possibly be a problem so kids get entertained by the literal worst possible content like pregnant Elsa x Spider-Man crap! So yeah I agree that there are some bad and gross channels out there aimed at kids. But to my knowledge Cougar’s channel was never for kids!!!! Now it’s the content creators fault for not shielding other people’s kids eyes when their kids shouldn’t even be on KZbin that young!!! This is so ridiculous.

[@randomunovafan2787]

I’m not for overly sexual clickbaity thumbnails like Cougar’s tbh, but the arguments that these people tried to make are so overblown it’s impossible to take their side seriously. Like, yeah, he does that because it gets more clicks. But he’s not trying to turn children into “porn addicts for future gain” he’s not some evil mastermind what even lmao

[@andrewdiaz3529]

"The Smiling critters comics are too dangerous for children to see!!" 1. All the comics are general rated, the thumbnails are literally the only mildly suggestive things in the videos 2. Smiling Critters canon includes DogDay getting eaten alive inside out and puppeteered while dying. In a game that little kids love. In a game kids have no problem watching or playing

[@custard_lol]

i love your content but ngl making suggestive images of characters that are popular with kid and then putting it on youtube is kinda shitty but like idk were all entitled to our own opinions and i could fucking care less tbh

[@Artificer_]

mostly off topic but I ADORE the constant tomatoes over relevant sections of the screen 😭 the boob shot, that tomato on the twitter trending, all the tomatoes over Toppy's pfp, it's glorious. how is that done btw?

[@SaiScribbles]

My audience gets real creative with the tomato throwing I'm so glad I added it lol

[@xXSKY64Xx]

It’s weird seeing people I recognize in a video like this.

[@comfyghost]

"when you open 18+ patreons" why wait, there are already adults willing to pay for porn. waiting 10 or so years on the hope that some kids who saw a thumbnail you did for someone else's youtube channel happened to not only grow up with a porn addiction but also found your specific patreon years after they probably stopped watching a channel that's apparently only aimed at kids, instead of just selling porn right now, that just sounds like terrible business. i can't tell if he was saying it was good business to make his argument seem stronger since "why would i even do that" is a common defence against a wild accusation, or if he's just batshit insane

[@C0smicMoon]

This is like getting mad at the people that made an adult show because sometimes kids watch it by accident.

[@LewdNoodz]

I do think Cougar content farming stuff that has a massive appeal to kids with spicy clickbait is kinda odd buuuut it is massively on the parents not doing their job, and KZbin to some extent. People just can't let coomers be.

[@LewdNoodz]

@@TheOmegaJello Find what?

[@kingnightmarevin]

Tbh there should be a different platform for it

[@LewdNoodz]

@@kingnightmarevin KZbin Kids? But I heard it's not perfect either.

[@vulpinitemplar5036]

Props to Couger for adding the content advisory, sucks that he felt that he had to, at least that's what I assume, but it's for the better? Personally I loved getting clickbaited by "sexually explicit" thumbnails ages ago, it both sucked but was also great if it was the means of finding a content creator you actually enjoyed through it, shame about all the content farms ruining this fun though but they're so much harder to deal with than individuals one doesn't like I guess :b

[@teokiseu]

aside from the chronically online twitter shit, your art is great and i would click on any video with it on the thumbnail frfr

[@gummidon1618]

It’s a shame they couldn’t use your thumbnail cause it looks lovely, been admiring it it looks so pretty