Hybrid Guitar/Bass Upgrade (... and Tone Demo)

[@materiagrezza9331]

No, I don't wanna skip to the demo. You are the only one whose project explainations never bore.

[@carpediemarts705]

Would Guns N Guitars ever bore you?

[@materiagrezza9331]

@@carpediemarts705 Never heard of him.

[@carpediemarts705]

@@materiagrezza9331 he just built a bass out of mdf and 2x4s

[@calebmunkirs9661]

I feel like when he has his final version of this instrument it would be super cool to build one not as a modified instrument but one designed to be like that. For example you could have the bass tuning pegs on one side of the headstock so the guitar ones arent awkwardly sandwiched between the others.

[@carpediemarts705]

I can't see some mainstream manufacturer NOT stealing from this man soon.

[@carpediemarts705]

I can't see some mainstream manufacturer NOT stealing from this man soon.

[@DommoDommo]

Sounds like you have a POG PITCHFORK on, that's rad.

[@bandi_TEE]

Day 3 of asking kevin: Make a microtonal guitar ~❤

[@TKDFORCEART]

Fretless then

[@THEzTROLLlz]

thinking of submitting my microtonal guitar mod for his fan project showcase; surprised he hasn't done such a mod since he's clearly got plenty of skill and knowledge. maybe he's not that interested in them?

[@bandi_TEE]

@@THEzTROLLlz i don't know But i think microtonal guitars are interesting especially 41 TET

[@marcellusgrey6303]

Pro tip: you can watch series at flixzone. I've been using them for watching loads of movies recently.

[@isaacgael2523]

@Marcellus Grey Yup, been watching on Flixzone for since november myself =)

[@jimmyz2098]

Holy crap that thing turned out so cool!!! And it sound s mean. Nasty. Killer! You've got some legit back-shed engineering talent, young fella !! Love your ideas.

[@Aardquark777]

Great build man. Reminds me of the Hagstrom H8. Someone mentioned next installing a stereo input jack and running left and right channels to diff rigs like the Rickenbacker 4001. Or one channel for DI and another for live sound, the tone blending possibilities are endless. +1 for the nylon string idea to toggle the octave string, thats a stroke of genius.

[@stephenhodgeman6496]

I have no idea what to call this, but I totally want to make one now lol. This thing is awesome.

[@absoluteunit8628]

Basstar

[@gooseman7522]

I think schecter makes some but there are 8 string basses in production that have your standard 4 bass strings and then 4 guitar strings

[@levergatRapha]

This instrument with 8 strings (4basses and 4oct) is called an octabass guitar and was used in funk.

[@stephenhodgeman6496]

@@levergatRapha I've never heard of that... I've heard of the octabass, but that's an orchestral instrument that's like 8 feet tall lol.

[@stephenhodgeman6496]

@@gooseman7522 yeah, I've been wanting an 8 string octave bass for quite some time. The thinner strings are just tuned up an octave.

[@girllloyd1214]

wow, that sounds really cool, and seems like really neat utility! I think this might be one of my favorite projects I've seen from you yet.

[@connormcinerney7503]

The idea of making the pick-guards modular is, though somewhat unintentional, super creative and potentially innovative for future designs. The separation line between the two really reminds me of the Fishman Fluence pickups. Perhaps you could get stylish with it? Also really clever to reuse the tremolo cavity to house the 9v. And as someone with minuscule wiring knowledge, how you managed to pull off that wiring scheme wizardry is beyond me, even if it wasn't what you originally had in mind. As for soloing the nylon strings only, I don't know of any system that only picks up non-ferro magnetic vibrations, so the best I've got is to try phasing the bass strings out by polarizing the magnetic and piezo outputs. This won't be perfect, of course because the vibrations each transducer picks up won't be exactly the same, but it may help to lower their volume in the final output. Also, about reducing unwanted piezo noises, my beset guess would be to make everything the piezo is in contact with or indirect contact with, foam or another vibration-damping material. How to accomplish this while making sure the saddles are still firmly secured to the body, I'd have to think about

[@SaidTooMuchProductions]

I was thinking that, but at least I would solo something interesting, at least a new tone

[@DisturbedVette]

I really wish I had thought of that battery idea myself. I’m gonna put some EMGs in my squire strat, and I ordered a custom pickguard from Warmoth to fit them and only left a route for a tone 2 knob to put my volume knob and put the battery where the vol and first tone knob would normally go, and do without tone knobs completely. I have concerns that this might cause interference issues, but I might not have to worry if I put the battery in the trem cavity.

[@stevescuba1978]

Maybe piezo under the bridge, on a piece of hardwood, on top of a piece of cork, all routed flush under the bridge. The bridge would be "floating" on the cork, maybe reduce transferrence of sound from body to pickup. It would probably kill all sustain though

[@Jettblack_]

You sir have inspired me.I have an old strat body that I was planning to do EVH frankenstrat but now you have given me a new idea.

[@GreenLeaf5656]

this thing sounds awesome and looks awesome, I wouldn't change anything if I had it

[@jimcarter6669]

Awesome! Great thinking outside the box.

[@RockStarOscarStern634]

Said Too Much Productions A built in tuner? Wow that's quite a cool upgrade.

[@RockStarOscarStern634]

Said Too Much Productions I call this, the Super Cool 6 String 3 Course Guitar/Bass with a Built in tuner.

[@robr471]

Very interesting build and ingenuity. Would love to see more, possibly even get some parts manufacturers to sponsor or send you components. I'm definitely a fan.

[@andrewgocken517]

Isn't creating new instruments fun as hell? I love it. Turned a 6 string acoustic guitar into a fretless, with an over the string/bridge pickup mount, tuned beadgc. And another acoustic guitar converted into a long scale 4 string bass. My next is a fretted/fretless hybrid with an extended fretboard.Ibanez calls it the "ramp", mine will be playable to increase octave range. Innovation is a hoot. Lol. Keep it up.

[@RockStarOscarStern634]

Good upgrade

[@tranka6112]

Hint: To achieve an even signal between piezo and magnetic pickups the Schatten Design PreAmps may be a good solution... there is even a two channel version, espacially for that. If you want to be all magnetic PUs there is also a very hard way to do that: build your own pickups with separate pole pieces :D - but still, you will get cross-talk...

[@stereoroid]

This reminds me of some of the stuff Chris Squire used to do e.g. his triple neck Wal had a guitar neck set up like that. He later got a “normal” 8-string bass but would tune the strings oddly e.g. the “octave” strings in fifths instead (“Changes”).

[@RockStarOscarStern634]

Said Too Much Productions P Bass Pickup & a Humbucker Pickup? That's awesome sauce, because you can play alot of songs on it such as High Hopes by PATD.

[@RockStarOscarStern634]

Said Too Much Productions A built in tuner is fantastic because then you can adjust the tuning on the fly.

[@user-wv5gv3dw5u]

This sounds sick. Like Royal Blood

[@vander8749]

Esse cara vai longe......tomara que apareça + uns mil caras com esse mesmo projeto

[@dannyboii005]

Love these videos😎

[@ravelitschimo]

I mean it would be a challenge to combine all three signals.

[@catvoncrimson666]

Man this is exiting

[@gimpalopagus]

This is similar to my washburn b20 eight string, nice video

[@dylaneverhartmusic]

This would be an amazing instrument to have in a power trio or even could enable a functional power duo

[@sethdusith6093]

Your videos inspire me.

[@rodshop5897]

An interesting instrument. Seems like a fun experiment. I did your bridge design. Since I have an 8 string, four course bass, I can only think of this as a 6 string, three course bass. Either way, a fun video!

[@RockStarOscarStern634]

A 6 String 3 Course Guitar/Bass Hybrid complete w/ a Built in tuner.

[@psychotikpaisano]

I love your creativity dude! I have a 10 string tele, I have a dual source setup installed. The mag pickups go to one channel of the 2 channel preamp (after the selector switch) and piezo goes to the other channel. I think you could copy this setup cheaply. It only cost me about $70 for the piezo, preamp, battery, and holder. Oh and it has a stereo output with separate volumes.

[@AlexIsASeraphim]

Instead of a 2nd toggle switch to get that extra 2 pick up selections, I've seen push pull pots used.

[@barbarianblood2316]

Nice job man👍

[@joergl562]

Long time ago...but anyway: You could use the DiMarzio Split P instead the "poled" P-pickup. The split P has rails.

[@moonchild4806]

Wicked! I have an old mustang kit I built that I think I'm going to do something similar to, minus the piezo pickup

[@MonsieurMaskedMan]

You should make a 12 coursed string bass/guitar hybrid so we basically have a guitar and a bass in the same instrument

[@DavideGuerri]

next: use a stereo jack for the output and send the P pickup and the humbucker to two different signal chains, third output for piezo

[@Aardquark777]

Eg the Rickenbacker 4001. Love those for recording.. So versatile.

[@jakefennell8319]

one way you could MAYBE isolate the nylon strings only... would be to start with the piezo, then to take the signal from one of the pickups and play it "in reverse" back to it... this is how noise cancelling headphones work... and this could isolate those nylon strings only, but I imagine that would be pretty complicated, and how well it would work remains to be seen

[@Praeterita1976]

Great video. A lot of effort for questionable results... but that's the way you do things and I love it! (you do, so that I don't have to...).

[@mr.fictionaloxymoron3643]

Hybrid 3 by 2 bass guitar is the name I would use... honestly this is really dope and I like it alot

[@jmelara324]

Mike Kerr would love one these

[@lv-lennard]

If it were for sale, of course, when it is finished, I would buy it, no matter the price, I would buy it

[@cyryodha]

This project reminds me of TTNG's bass player! Basically he turned his jaguar bass into a 6 strings guitar, a la Fender Bass VI. I would love to see nylon string and tape wound string on that guitar.

[@tekdeth3240]

Would it be interesting to put a piezo pickup under the nut...? It would of course pick up the vibration of the other side of the strings (which would not be "in tune"), but maybe tapping sounds cool that way or something.

[@SaidTooMuchProductions]

It would pickup the inverse stringing that sometimes appears... which is annoying enough lol

[@wesleyzimmerman94]

Only thing left to one up this is to fuck up a Bass VI and make it a 12 string with a Piezo

[@THEzTROLLlz]

I suppose this could be a "coursed hybrid short-scale bass." An 8 string (4 bass strings) or 12 string (guitar strings, but baritone scale length) resonator guitar in this style (except with all steel strings) could perhaps be the grungiest thing possible on this side of purgatory.

[@BeardManny]

Open strings sound aggressive. Add a zero fret? Side note. I would like to hear this as a fretless hybrid. Or a hybrid fretless hybrid. (Remove all frets except the first 7? Or 8?)

[@dylaneverhartmusic]

Yes a fretless/fretted hybrid would be amazing

[@Weedbringer666]

Or even cutting litterally all the frets in third ? So you can have one fretless string and leave the two others fretted. I wanted to do that on a 7 strings guitar, in order to have 6 fretted regular strings and one big fretless string at the bottom. Maybe when I have some time (and money !) I'll be able to do so.

[@BeardManny]

A zero fret would remove the issue of having to cut the nut perfectly to accommodate all strings. This would allow a much more pure tone on open strings. One downside i have seen Is that when you bend a string close to where the nut would be, that the string sometimes leaves the fretboard altogether, and dips and locks under the neck. A simple solution is to have a block on the top and bottom of the zero fret.

[@jeremiahcowling3837]

I have the old version of the Ibanez Ashula bass, which is a 6 string with the high two as fretless. I changed the original tuning (eadgdg, with the fretless just repeating the same d and g) to a standard beadgc and it’s really fun to use.

[@levergatRapha]

This is what an octabass was meant to be

[@instrumentenfreak]

Awesome project. I can‘t even solder a pickup switch to my guitar...

[@RockStarOscarStern634]

@UCQoElgBw4Rb5zI37trQvGZQ I thought, why not add a Zero Fret to this Ultimate Hybrid? 12 String Guitars & Mandolins (and lots of other coursed instruments such as the 8 String Bass, etc) really benefit from (and are known for having) a Zero Fret because with that many Strings, the Zero fret lowers the action to make it feel like a Solid Body Electric version of that instrument.

[@RockStarOscarStern634]

The Piezo is very very percussive.

[@richharris2864]

You could do so much with it!

[@RockStarOscarStern634]

@@richharris2864 Very very versatile.

[@RockStarOscarStern634]

@@richharris2864 The built in tuner from the Acoustic-Electric (which will get a new pickup soon) is not only great for this Ultimate Bass/Guitar hybrid but it's also common on 12 String Acoustic-Electric Guitars. Having a built in tuner is fantastic because with that many Strings, you can simply click on the tuner, tune the strings, turn the tuner off, & away you go.

[@RockStarOscarStern634]

@@richharris2864 There's the Zero Glide Nut which is a Zero Fret attached to the nut & this might be another ideal update because 1) the action will be easier, 2) the strings will last longer, & 3) it'll hold tune better.

[@jamiesteele5111]

Did you record this direct input? Would be cool if you split the output signal one into a lowpass and the other into highpass filter so you could plug it in to an amp.

[@RockStarOscarStern634]

Now you have a built in tuner

[@milk_chemistry]

just get a bone saddle blank for classical or somthin and make the saddles all u need is bone (ovbs) a small triangle file or round and some way of cutting the bone could be a saw or a band saw or anything just think

[@boimesa8190]

why no undistorted demo of the piezo?!?

[@suiseiuchuno7381]

Interesting

[@Fender420]

Cool

[@Kruegernator123]

Guitar + bass = basstar

[@therealhelmholtz]

6 STRING DOUBLE COURSE STEEL / NYLON STRINGED STRAT / TELE FLORIDA BASS...tar?! Great, Kevin. Now I can't think of another name for this thing! But, can I use the band name "Save The Manatees" for my Florida Yes Core solo project?!

[@SaidTooMuchProductions]

Sts ....

[@eatingoodinthewoods]

I want to build one. Where can I get that bridge?

[@SaidTooMuchProductions]

Search "individual bass saddles" on amazon. Make sure to look at the images for hex screws to hold things in place. I bought some more poorer quality ones recently that didnt have them and were a messier metal casting

[@68able2]

that new guard is sick

[@SaidTooMuchProductions]

Nice, I didnt want to change it but the bass pickups forced my hand

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

A Guitar/Bass Hybrid...Like Charlie Hunter's signature model?

[@ThanaOrchard]

this is so sick, lots of tonal possibilities! that clean tone is super meaty

[@DisturbedVette]

That thing is an abomination lol. I love it!

[@damienhelmold6978]

I love how creative your videos are man. They are always super interesting. I'm glad there's someone out there doing cool stuff like this cuz I'm not willing to lol.

[@josephzummo9685]

Piezo are too noisy. I made an electric upright want to blend both magnetic and piezo, but went with a transducer p/u. After I changed the bridge design. And it wasn't powerful enough. Also the stand squeak kept coming thru. They're not very practical.

[@TonyonGames]

Try flatwound bass strings!

[@SaidTooMuchProductions]

Probably will eventually

[@mk_rexx]

I can see this being used by a Royal Blood-inspired band

[@RockStarOscarStern634]

Sounds like your Regular Acoustic could use this:shadowelectronics.com/collections/all-acoustic/products/sh-4035 which includes a Headphone Jack so you can practice plus a play along Aux input Jack).

[@vander8749]

👍🏿👍🏾

[@МашинаБиосинтеза]

Would you like a mixing service for your full instrumental demos/songs? Perhaps for free. I can send you some of my examples via discord or email if you're interested.

[@Weedbringer666]

I'd call this "Demon Guitar"

[@SaidTooMuchProductions]

Guitar? Or just demon?

[@Weedbringer666]

@@SaidTooMuchProductions Or even "Demonic Guitar", because it sounds like pure evil :D

[@GrumpyTy34er]

We need to get you an actual router, my friend

[@vander8749]

Gostei.... obrigado Jesus.....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ScoliosisMcGee]

3 days later: _wait i could have just bought a pog_

[@jesusrobleslugo]

where tf is the demo in the video

[@guitarplayer9000]

6:55

[@SaidTooMuchProductions]

I thought that was pretty clear...

[@Kitsune-665]

You can call it a guitbass or a basstar

[@MuscleDad420]

*Listens to Cheap Trick once*

[@MagnoliaThrone]

kevin looks like a better looking onision

[@jimjimx5418]

Go check out the 12 string basses of Tom Hamilton, Dug Pinnick, and Jeff Ament. This is nothing new.

[@NateLopezmusic]

this is not a hybrid guitar. ill give you "three string octave bass", but a hybrid guitar is different

[@JuveriSetila]

REPAINT IT

[@tylerwastripped1590]

I always talk too much.

[@rafaelcuadra5009]

Is it me or is this guy's speech pattern a pain to listen too???

[@bassistpanda6187]

It's just you

[@enigma1247]

Horrible...just horrible smh

[@yes-vt3uh]

Ik this would be a huge job, but a baritone neck would be interesting. As it's already a half way house between a guitar and bass, might as well put the scale length somewhere in between too

[@SaidTooMuchProductions]

They make conversion necks you just pop in the old neck slot, I did that on one my other strats for 28 5/8"