Saiyan Beyond God Explained

The Saiyan Beyond God Transformation debuted in Dragon Ball Z Resurrection F and became Goku and Vegeta's NEW God Base Form during the Goku vs Frieza in Dragon Ball Super. On this Transformation Guide, we get into the POWER of Saiyan Beyond God and Goku and Vegeta's Training.
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[@kimberlyfrye8116]

So it’s basically like what whis is trying to teach Goku with harnessing Ultra instinct inside him but in this case it’s Super Saiyan God

[@jobaniac99]

I look at ssg like a faucet. You can trickle a little for base, turn it up for ssj, turn on high for ssj2, turn on max for ss3, and put your thumb over the faucet for ssg

[@itstoasty7089]

@@jobaniac99 That’s a great analogy, but the water (power) should be different. Saiyan ki is different to God ki

[@jobaniac99]

@@itstoasty7089 hence why you put the thumb over the faucet. "God ki" isnt inherently different its just extremely concentrated ki gained through control. They concentrate their ki as opposed to just powering up just as your thumb would concentrate the pressure instead of merely adding quantity

[@ssmuikakarot6057]

@@jobaniac99 i thought the same thing

[@sonshawnzy9975]

Kinda sorta . It’s basically just saiyan having god kid , instead of transformation . It while in base form

[@enzoribeiro523]

Toryiama wanted to simplify the transformations, so he made that both goku and vegeta had the power of the ssg in their base form, without the need to transform, and when they do so, the super saiyan blue comes. It was supposed to eliminate all golden super saiyan forms, a concept that i liked very much. But in the end, toei didn't want to lose the opportunity to create new toys and mechardise, so akira discarted the concept of the beyond god form.

[@specialnewb9821]

I always looked at it as the Divine Ki sort of "hallowed" his body after he absorbs it, making him a literal demi-god. A physical shell altered to be able to be filled with Divine Ki and make use of it without the ritual.

[@awesomesauce8199]

Divine ki is pointless because training is all that matters. They should have stuck with the gt route where they explore sayain hertigage transformations rather than introducing gods in the first place. I think ssj4 look fits a sayain god because it shows the origins of the sayain race

[@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman]

​@@awesomesauce8199 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@thedoctor3528]

I couldn't believe when i first saw this form and that fight with beerus too! I thought it was just a movie remembering DB but it turned out be the start of a huge DB resonance.

[@gerharddamm5933]

Renaissance lol

[@jm8080ful]

It started out as Toriyama's middle finger to Hollywood for ruining his legacy.

[@johnweebchan]

@@jm8080ful and as middle finger to all creators of DB, DBZ and DBGT (including his pastself). Sadly.

[@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯​@@johnweebchan

[@RenSenpai7]

"RAAAA! I WILL NOT LET YOU DESTROY MY WORLD!" ~ Son Goku Never forget. The day I watched that in theaters 🖤

[@hoshiryu]

The Reason i'm calling it their New Base Form is because they are like Permanently using it and the State doesn't use God Ki but makes their Base much more Powerful Since if they have God Ki in Base than they'd be SSGod's

[@DroidVerse97]

God ki is just basically concentrated ki that isnt leaking , in sbg they have the ki but it is still leaking so it wont make him super sayian god.

[@hoshiryu]

@@DroidVerse97 so like Mortal Ki that is just way more Concentrated and Denser? Hmmm sadly they don't use it that often Or as waht i heard they only use that when they activate their White Aura in Base

[@domigamerblocktrieon9778]

In the Dragonball Super Anime, the Saiyan beyond God state, does not possess godly ki, but it raises the user's energy to the same power level of a Super Saiyan God and allows the user to sense godly ki.

[@flipboy420]

It makes more sense that this is simply their new base after achieving SSG since it fundamentally altered their ki. “Saiyan beyond god” doesn’t make sense narratively if it’s stronger than traditional SSJ forms like geek stated, there would be zero reason to ever use SSJ forms yet their used quite often, I think he messed up here. There’s more supporting evidence that this is simply base form in all materials. If god ki was being harnessed and used at this point there would have been mentions of it from the supporting cast or the realization that goku’s ki was either unable to be sensed or losing potency.

[@Super_Saiyan_Rainbow]

I disagree with the SBG actually being a form… at least now. I’m on the side, which is the majority, that he absorb the power into his base. Not the Ki, the power. His base is just stronger.

[@AbsurJ9856]

Yes, if Goku has this form why does he keep using regular Ssj transformations? So it makes more sense to me that he actually has this power at the base and not some kind of pre-transformation

[@Super_Saiyan_Rainbow]

@@AbsurJ9856 yeah

[@Super_Saiyan_Rainbow]

@@AbsurJ9856 he also said that SSB was SS of Saiyan Beyond God… despite literally being called SSGSS. It’s not SSBG or SSSBG🤷🏼‍♂️

[@hoshiryu]

@@Super_Saiyan_Rainbow defaq is SSSBG stand for Super Saiyan Super Beyond God? OOOHH Super Saiyan Saiyan Beyond God ...... THAT JUST SOUNDS EVEN STUPIDER

[@Super_Saiyan_Rainbow]

@@hoshiryu exactly! Like it’s call Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan… Not Saiyan Beyond God Super Saiyan

[@SaturnineXTS]

Toriyama was going to totally give them a godly base and SSj Blue to go from there if need be. But I'm sure Toei's marketing department thought making the regular SSj forms completely redundant and/or impossible to use anymore (because you can outpower them in base anyway by tapping into god ki) was bad for business, plain and simple. That's why the godly base idea was abandoned, the old SSj forms restored and SSj God taking its place again. Inconsistent? As fuck. Better for tension buildup/drama preservation in a show? Perhaps. Also, SSj God looks flashier and more interesting than the regular ole base form, so there's that too.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

Sounds about right to me

[@StrangersFromTheMist]

For those confused, Saiyan Beyond God is essentially a flex. You're a Saiyan Beyond God when you've reached a certain power level (SSG level). Right now Vegeta and Goku are Saiyans Beyond God in Base when they're just chilling on the couch. It's because their power levels are that high.

[@elijahshells]

This is something I feel like needed to be utilized more in the story.

[@Mikerille]

Saiyan beyond god simply explained: a state where someone surpasses super saiyan gods power in base form, weather through absorbing the strength or training. Simple.

[@StrangersFromTheMist]

Yeah, it's an honorary achievement. It's basically an achievement unlocked. That they're just that powerful. It's not a form, and it's not a technique like UI. It's just to flex on people: "Oh, yeah, I'm a Saiyan Beyond God."

[@Mikerille]

@@StrangersFromTheMist exactly!

[@memesgeek4797]

By using God ki

[@Mikerille]

@@memesgeek4797 no…if he was using god ki he couldn’t be sensed, yet gohan and the others could sense him. Using god ki in base is ssg dude, ssb is god ki on ssj

[@memesgeek4797]

@@Mikerille No man When Sayian beyond God turns ssj it's literally ssj blue. It's the same thing. The user uses God ki

[@ethanhelsel5004]

"I've been looking forward to this."

[@pussybacon22]

Hello Dutch

[@TheIronSaiyan]

"My powers have doubled since the last time we met, Count."

[@KevinBuritica]

@@abolkilgen7334 DO IT

[@noahsibahi-jackson8757]

Double the content twice the joy

[@hunterkeps9058]

Thank you Geekdom. It just makes so much sense that SBG is its own thing instead of being the new base form. Whenever Goku/Vegeta fight someone strong, and then transform into SSB, that's how you can tell they were using Saiyan Beyond God earlier. They use it against Frieza, they use it again against Hit, and the purple Goo Vegeta uses it against SSJ 3 Gotenks. Maybe it's used a few other times (Like in the ToP), but I can't tell.

[@DarthKamui]

Saiyan Beyond God seems to be abandoned by the Champa/Universe 6 arc as Goku and Vegeta go back to using the regular Super Saiyan form when they could just use fractions of their Super Saiyan God power instead. In the Tournament of Power, Goku is using Super Saiyan God again, and Vegeta uses the form in DBS: Broly, which further tells us Saiyan Beyond God is discarded. With Copy Vegeta versus SSJ3 Gotenks, that's just Copy Vegeta/true Vegeta's base power being greater than SSJ3 Gotenks, which makes sense given Whis's training in the Resurrection 'F' arc, the Champa/Universe 6 arc training, and the battles of said arcs.

[@hunterkeps9058]

@@DarthKamui That's true! Good attention to detail, I completely forgot about that. It never made sense to me that Goku & Vegeta get a power up from using SSG, which then stacks the next time they use SSG. Trying to make that logic work involves creating a bunch of loops and twirls that make power scaling too conveluted. I'm not sure about Copy Vegeta though. While Goku/Vegeta would get stronger after all their training and battles, idk if I'd agree with them getting stronger than they were as SSJ3s back in the buu saga. Plus, Goku gets lowkey tossed around by Buu just before the ToP, and I don't believe he's that much stronger than innocent Buu normally is

[@DarthKamui]

@@hunterkeps9058 Well, Goku and other fighters can suppress their power when they want to, causing them to seem weaker than they actually are and letting opponents misjudge their strength when they first meet. Thanks to the battle with Beerus for Goku and six months of Whis's training for Vegeta, Goku and Vegeta in their base forms reached the level of strength where they can sense godly ki (although they barely reached that level at the time according to Whis), and SSJ3 Gotenks hasn't reached anywhere near that level. During his battle with Beerus in the Battle of Gods arc, a portion of the Super Saiyan God power fully merged with Goku, initially making Goku as a regular Super Saiyan equal in strength to what he previously was as a Super Saiyan God, and that level of power was in a different league from characters in the Buu saga, including Vegito. Vegeta's training with Whis in the Resurrection 'F' arc allowed him to catch up to Goku's new level of strength and might have even surpassed it according to Goku. Then both Goku and Vegeta continued training on Beerus's planet and in Whis's staff where the get even stronger, and then they of course get much stronger from the battles and training up to the events regarding Copy Vegeta.

[@hunterkeps9058]

@@DarthKamui Ah, we disagree completely with this. I don't think Saiyan Beyond God was ever abandoned, as Goku or Vegeta used it when facing really tough opponents, most notably when they transformed into SSB. That explains why sometimes SSB only seems like a small multiplier. It would also explain Copy Vegeta, as he was tanking Gotenks's hits in his 'base' form, and then immediately powered up to SSB instead of going any of the other SSJ transformations. Their base forms don't become stronger (Aside from training), they just get a new state to tap into. About sensing God Ki, I don't think that has anything to do with the user's power. If that was the case, King Kai and Dende would be stronger than Goku/Vegeta. They could sense God Ki because of the training environment, type of training, and hanging out with dieties. Also, in regards to Gotenks. He was 500-600 times stronger than Vegeta was in the Buu saga, assuming he didn't get any stronger. And Copy Vegeta took on his strongest attacks without flinching. This means that, through mostly training, Vegeta got over 1000 times stronger after a few years. I'm sorry but I just... Can't accept that, those are the kind of logic loops that 'God level at base' creates

[@DarthKamui]

@@hunterkeps9058 King Kai and Dende are official gods, so they can sense godly ki while being weaker than Goku and Vegeta. But it's explained by Whis and shown by Frieza, Goku, and Vegeta that those who aren't gods by nature or by assignment can reach a level via "brute force" to where they are at least able to sense godly ki. It's also shown in the series that Goku and Vegeta can just skip all of their lower forms and turn Super Saiyan Blue, even in the Universe Survival arc and DBS: Broly. Copy Vegeta likely just chose to go straight to SSB just as Goku did like they could with any other form, and Copy Vegeta tanked Gotenks's attacks earlier from just having Vegeta's really strong base power. Copy Vegeta wouldn't need any sort of power-ups in this situation when he's far, far above Buu arc characters. By the time Goku meets Vegeta on Beerus's planet in the Resurrection 'F' arc, the both of them (in their base forms) are in an entirely different league from everyone before (except Beerus). At that point in time, they would be tanking attacks from Buu arc Ultimate Gohan and a theoretical SSJ3 Vegito who are stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks.

[@massiveproduction100]

It sorta reminds me of kiaoken like how Goku is still in base form but kinda transforms but doesn't actually transform fully but still gets a nice power up it's like God kiaoken lol

[@spritvio639]

So wait, wait.....Since absorbed SSJG into his base in BOG......does that mean when ever he uses SSJG now he is a *Super Sayian God, Super Sayian God?* 🤪🤪

[@Mubzzzzz]

no it just means super sayian god is just another transformation. Hopefully has features not accessible to other transformations

[@brandonbrewer9468]

I don’t think the stacked SSG has the same multiplier as when he used the ritual. The leap from SS3 to SSG was so incredibly ridiculous that it was BY FAR the biggest power leap at that point. It certainly doesn’t seem like anywhere near that big of a leap when he goes from SS3 to SSG now. I think absorbing God Ki brought his base up to a whole new level, and now stacking SSG on top of that is just a stronger transformation than SS3.

[@starblaststudios]

@@brandonbrewer9468 now THAT makes sense to me! With the power of Saiyan beyond god stacked with the ssj transformations, it closes the gap between ssj3 and ssjg, but ssjg is still stronger as a transformation cause it takes full use of the divine ki and amplifies it.

[@lukehart7225]

I just thought they rectonned it in Tournament of Power Saga

[@niveshrohan1829]

@@brandonbrewer9468 Dude thank you so much I was trying to wrap my head around this form because this thing confused me for sooo long. I was wondering if Goku was as strong as a SSG in HIS BASE then that means all of his friends would have to have insane leaps of power and I was so confused. Your explanation makes sense its like at BOG Goku had a base of lets just say 1 and SSJ 3 was IDK 300 while SSG was like 10,000. Now after with his Saiyan beyond god it basically squeezed the gap so now it is like 500 then 5000 and then 10,000. Ignore the numbers it was just for my head what I am trying to say is after BOG it brought his other forms closer to what he was in SSG. It didn't become SSG times SSG because if that was the case Gohan, Piccolo and the others wouldn't even be near Goku. This makes sense to me and I truly hope that is the case.

[@puppetmaster8387]

I always thought it was them gaining the physical abilities of the god form without the god ki

[@mechajay3358]

Me too, it seemed like a logical step.

[@blackpow3r]

It was lol. They still have to power up into SSG. The best example of progression is the Vegeta vs Broly fight.

[@-RedHood-]

A Saiyan with the power of the Super Saiyan God form via perfect Ki control.

[@DarthKamui]

In Dragon Ball Super at least.

[@grapes9h5]

Great video! My interpretation has been that SBG is base, but at full power - that full power coming from tapping into as much of the God Ki as one can while still in base. SSG is converting all of one’s Ki into God Ki, which makes it more potent and multiplies the power. When Goku first went SSG, he multiple his power far far far beyond his previous limits by gaining the power of God Ki through the ritual. But being untrained, he couldn’t maintain an all God Ki state of being (the SSG transformation) and so he lost the form, but because his limits where so throughly broken, and being a trained fighter and Saiyan, he was able to not only maintain the raw power boost, but even surpass it with just his base and Super Saiyan form by the end of the fight - using just normal Ki. In other words, the God ki wasn’t lost, just converted back to normal Ki he could control. Then he and Vegeta trained with Whis, where Vegeta gained God Ki for the first time, and Goku learned how to control God Ki. This meant they could now both use it to fully max out their base - SBG - or transform into a state of pure God Ki - SSG - or, do the later while also transforming into Super Saiyan - SSGSS or SSB. This also meant that they could still use the golden SS forms too, onto their much more powerful base, by simply keeping their Ki as normal Ki, instead of concentrating it into God Ki.

[@grapes9h5]

Just for further clarification, while what I said does imply that Goku can - hypothetically- stack SS1, 2, or 3 onto SBG, it’s not something I expect happens, at least not with SS2 or 3. This is because of stamina. SS1 - as in the Grade 4 version - can be controlled and stacked onto a incredibly suppressed base. SBG is not suppressed. It’s base max - as in the maxed normal Ki plus as much God Ki as can be brought to bear without going SSG or SSB. Hypothetically, I think Goku a this stage could use God Ki - as in be SBG - without being at max Base power, being somewhat suppressed, but it wouldn’t make sense to be because of stamina drain on using God Ki. It’s just that Goku is always getting better and better at managing his stamina in relation to using God Ki. At least during the Tournament of Power, it seemed that Goku found it easier to manage the stamina of SS3 than he did to go SSG or SSB. It could be different now, and that’s not even including the fact that he’s training to use UI technique in Base.

[@grapes9h5]

@@UltraEgoMc obviously, did I say it wasn’t?

[@grapes9h5]

@@UltraEgoMc that’s fine but are you actually gonna share what you find objectionable, or just blanket hand wave it away and tell me to pay attention. It’s perfectly fine if you think I’m wrong, or very wrong, it would just be nice to know some specifics.

[@techtime2922]

So you’re saying, random example along the lines of what you were saying anyway, that Goku essentially was half as strong in base as his initial SSG transformation after it wore off? And then going Super Saiyan at the end of the movie or end of the Super arc he was now like 25x stronger than he was in SSG? And then the next time he actually went SSG he was, with no known multiplier for SSG, but still like way fucking stronger? I still don’t get the point of going SSG anymore at all if they can still use god ki in their base, or even SS transformations, and also have SBG and SSB lol. Shit is confusing. And going to get even more confusing with UI in base, SS, and SSG forms

[@WeBarelySober]

8:05 I appreciate that you (or MJ) used the frame of Frieza surrounded by his pink aura with the red spark. Almost a contrast to the SSJ2s yellow aura/blue spark color scheme.

[@roddman17]

In BOG Beerus stated when Goku red Super Saiyan form depleted and they were still fighting it was absorbed in him. Goku was fighting in SSJ2 form while using Beyond God. I think It’s part of his base form now and it’s instilled with his power always.

[@Geekdom101]

makes sense.

[@livingashtree1942]

No. Goku was obviously using SSJ not SSJ2, there's a difference.

[@blueicarus6069]

Yes been waiting for this

[@EzPzLemonSqueaz]

So we basically have Ultimate Goku and Ultimate Vegeta.

[@GoldenKranic360]

I call it God Essence

[@primalvelocity3811]

That's a great way of calling it.

[@hoshiryu]

Saiyan Beyond God God Essence God-like Saiyan All 3 fit

[@Mikerille]

Exactly.

[@Mikerille]

He’s confusing so many people for no reason.

[@Geekdom101]

cool, its called Saiyan Beyond God though. You can call Super Saiyan 4 "Super Saiyan Fur" but its still Four., even though fur sounds like four. nm.

[@OvlerGW]

In all honesty this is being over complicated. The Saiyan beyond god form is not a state where they use their god ki. It just means the base form is stronger than the “god” form in BoG. Still though I appreciate the video.

[@justjoshin7225]

Yea, it's the same reason Goku was able to fight Beerus as just a ssj even tho his god form ran out and was no longer using god ki.

[@blackpow3r]

Right? They still power up into SSG which is tapping into the God ki. SSG is MUCH stronger than regular SSJ and base form which was displayed perfectly by Vegeta in the DBS Broly fight. Then the regular SSJ stack on God Ki is super saiyan blue. Lol it's that simple honestly.

[@elijahyoung4355]

I think this is very similair too ui in base hes still in base hes just using god ki/ ui in base

[@Mikerille]

He’s not using god ki in base, god ki in base means super saiyan god. And gohan and the others could sense goku, so not god ki. It simply means having strength on par with or above ssg in base, so vegeta trained with whis and his base form had power beyond gokus first ssg, so he’s saiyan beyond god, goku absorbed god ki, so thus he’s a “saiyan whose powers beyond god”

[@Lackifall]

@@Mikerille thank you. Someone had to say it.

[@Mikerille]

@@Lackifall ofc ;-;

[@najadamu2724]

@@Mikerille Either way, the whole concept totally got fumbled by Toei.

[@Mikerille]

@@najadamu2724 it didn’t…toei fixed the problem to make it more understandable and less confusing than the movie guide that said “has the power of god in base form” which led people to think they meant by transforming, instead of that it’s just a title

[@OneOnOne1162]

8:45 - To me the idea that always made the most sense was that the equivalent to "super saiyan god" is Goku Black's base form, rather than just saiyan beyond god. And then Rosé is his version of super saiyan blue.

[@rensuzugamori2531]

If SBG was a thing, it makes sense why Goku stays in his base form at the end of Z. Toriyama’s original intentions when Battle of Gods was released was to not make a whole bunch of inconsistencies that would alter the end of Z.

[@flipboy420]

Saying that saiyan beyond god is stronger than traditional SSJ forms doesn’t make sense considering the dialogue between goku and freeza when goku states that he doesn’t need he doesn’t need to go that far for this battle. Then there’s further instances in the series where goku utilizes SSJ transformations which would be redundant if “saiyan beyond god” was more powerful and presumably more efficient since it’s not a “transformation”. This explanation doesn’t hold up when including the wider narrative.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

Agreed

[@hichaeljordan963]

I love saiyan beyond gods white aura it kind of reminds me of Gohans aura but one thing I hate is how Cabba and the rest of his gang is as strong as gokus and vegetas base because their base has to be Z vegito level now

[@hichaeljordan963]

And yes even though they don’t use it 24/7 their base should be hella strong

[@SaturnineXTS]

That's one of the things suggesting taht the godly absorbed base idea has been abandoned. It's impossible that Saiyans who didn't even know SSj was a thing would be stronger than SSj Vegetto just because. Them matching Goku and Vegeta's regular base forms makes a hell lotta more sense

[@hoshiryu]

I love how in the Movie they get a Yellowish Glow on them while the Aura is White Sadly in Games and Anime (most likely in the Manga too) they just have regular White Aura with a normal Glow on their Body

[@maximillianoorosco-randhaw9336]

Thank you for confirming that this is official Geekdom, I was afraid that this fan made because I first saw this in Dragon fandom wiki and I really like the concept of Saiyan Beyond God but for you to confirm that this is really an official concept really makes me happy

[@DarthKamui]

In the Gods of the Universe Arc (Battle of Gods & Resurrection 'F' movies), Saiyan Beyond God, or more accurately, God-like Saiyan, is just a Saiyan who has the power of the Super Saiyan God form. A Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is a Super Saiyan who has the power of the Super Saiyan God form. The Super Saiyan God power is a literal power inside the Saiyan just like Oozaru and Super Saiyan. Essentially, < 100% God Power in Base Form = Normal Base Form (0%) or Partial Saiyan Beyond God/God-like Saiyan Base Form (Between 0% & 100%) < 100% God Power in Base Form + SSJ = Golden-haired SSJ 100% God Power in Base Form = Saiyan Beyond God/God-like Saiyan Base Form 100% God Power in Base Form + SSJ = SSGSS

[@fatdurk7934]

If u power scale u know that base goku in the same fight with beerus surpassed ssjg when he first transformed. When goku lost ssjg during the beerus fight. Beerus stated that goku didn’t lose any power in fact he got even stronger. So yes saiyan beyond god is stronger than ssjg when it first appeared.

[@austinmitchell2652]

Now THIS is the content i come to geekdom for

[@MrAndMrsL0nk]

The video that we've been waiting for, and it was well delivered.

[@dreadrath]

"So a super saiyan who is as strong as a super saiyan god yet is not a super saiyan god is now THE super saiyan version of that. You really need to work on your descriptions Goku. I nearly bit my tongue just trying to spit it all out." - Frieza I wonder how Frieza would articulate Goku's present power. Saiyan Beyond God and all associated super saiyan forms plus bsic UI. Poor lizard might pass out just trying.

[@officialgoku5259]

I'm last because I'm not 🥇...... Finally your details and knowledge is epic. Reflects your research

[@derekhogan9685]

Oddly like this concept more than bringing god mode back.

[@teloyl]

You guys are overthinking things. Goku absorbed the Super Saiyan God's powers into his base = God Ki from SSJG permanently enhanced his body. Vegeta became strong enough through training with Whis. Then the stronger Goku and Vegeta learned how to access God Ki in the training and incorporate it properly into Super Saiyan transformation to get Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan/Blue.

[@xcept7355]

The only functioning brain in this place who dont want to take goku getting hurt by bullet or other random stuff they don't care about seriously

[@teloyl]

@@xcept7355 Well if we are to go into a bot more details, absorbing God Ki from SSJG into base means previously, Goku and Vegeta cannot cross a certain threshold in their base forms. But after Goku absorbing God Ki and Vegeta training with Whis at Beerus' planet, both of them are now able to power up to that threshold or even surpassed it. Hence, they can push even further with existing Super Saiyan transformations. SSJ, SSJ2, SSJ3, Full Potential, SSJG (BOG) = Golden Oozaru, Base (post BOG), SSJ, SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJG and SSJGSS/SSJB, SSJBKK and SSJBE

[@diamantemrobinson]

I like the toei definition it makes more sense for the name saiyan beyond God if their normal ki is raised to God level. Saiyan God makes more sense if their using God ki.

[@BenFranklin89]

I know it's only in the manga but I hope Geekdom goes over Mastered/ Perfected SSB, or whatever it's called, it's basically the godly equivalent to SS Grade 4

[@RickyUzumaki993]

Same here

[@livingashtree1942]

All of you people trynna make sense out of this but can't is due that this FORM has been RETCONNED❌️ It's been shoved under the couch. Just like Toriyama said in that interview, Goku originally absorbed the SSG form into his Base, giving him the need to no more having to transform into a SSG since it became his Base form basically by learning how to fully tap into it by his own now by training under Whis, and once he did transform however he would no longer transform into a regular Super Saiyan but turn into a Super Saiyan Blue due to him already having become a "God" basically, with the Blue color representing his access and Ascenion to a even higher power, atleast that was the original idea. "Saiyan Beyond God" was supposed to represent Goku and Vegeta having fully mastered SSG and completed their training to the point they no longer needed to transform anymore to tap into it's power, hence them having the bright white aura representing "Purity" and name of the state being called "Saiyan Beyond God(Super Saiyan God)". The reason for all that started because of Goku already having that much transformations under his belt to begin with and Toriyama wanting to change all that and get rid of all the excessive numbers of transformations so he tried to give him just 1 again like in the old days as a way to start over again or more like giving him a new beginning, which is also the whole reason why him and Vegeta got that new clothing they got with the Whis mark on them cause he really wanted them to showcase that they are going on a brand new adventure and journey, bringing new life to the DBZ franchise. But guess freaking what??... The fans didn't like THAT at all.. The fans complained, they hated the new Blue form which they simply saw as a recoloring of the original SSJ form So Toriyama as always listened to his fans, and eventually just made it that they could still transform into all of the original Super Saiyan forms including SSG getting rid of the whole "Saiyan Beyond God" concept all together and eventually even gave them their original clothing back. Gohan was originally never supposed to come back either he was supposed to become a full scholar, with the story from now only focusing on Goku and Vegeta and their new adventures. Toriyama has been wanting to get rid of all the excessive numbers of transformations Goku has, since it even got him confused at times and that's why he's now been trying so hard to make it that Ultra Instinct will eventually become his Base form, focusing less on transformations and focus more on actual fighting skills.

[@The_One_In_Black]

Thank you for doing this video. This has been a source of confusion for me and others for a while, and you touched on a lot of what was confusing about it - some of which is just weird, and some of it you were able to help be easier to understand.

[@hitz4754]

You could even say its like a demi god state, purely because they're not fully using their ss god form... If u like but u dont have to i jus like the sound of a saiyan demi god or even ss demi god

[@jdsv8601]

I believe Saiyan Beyond God is separate from their base forms because of the promotional Resurrection of F material that states Goku and Vegeta can gain god-like power without changing forms, and when they do, they go SSJ Blue instead of regular SSJ. The manga panel of base Goku throwing a punch with SSJ God in the background symbolizes this too. However it seems this state was partially dropped, probably because they didn’t want Goku and Vegeta to never use regular SSJ forms ever again. BUT, they may have used it once more in that filler episode of Beerus in a Monaka suit, and the Copy Vegeta filler arc

[@DarthKamui]

Saiyan Beyond God is just a powered-up state in their base forms. In the Resurrection 'F' movie, Saiyan Beyond God is Goku and Vegeta using the Super Saiyan God power in base. Goku absorbed a portion of it in the Battle of Gods movie and trained with Whis to gain the rest back. Vegeta didn't absorb anything so it may have been harder for him but we don't know much on his training.

[@jdsv8601]

@@DarthKamui yes, I agree. Saiyan Beyond God is just Goku and Vegeta using God power in base, but it seems this ability or concept was discarded later on, the writers kinda decided it was cooler for them to just turn into red haired SSJ God rather than being able to access all that power without transforming lol

[@DarthKamui]

@@jdsv8601 Yeah, all of that is exactly what happened. Toriyama tries to simply things like the design of Super Saiyan God, the concept of Saiyan Beyond God and Ultimate Gohan, etc. But Toei and Shueisha want that money.

[@cjsher90]

It seems like the natural progression of Super Saiyan God without the ritual, would start with Saiyan beyond God.

[@Geekdom101]

i could totally see that.

[@Lazarou101]

5:40 Geekdom seeming to forget just HOW MANY retconns Dragonball has had

[@GunlessSnake]

Something else to note is that this "form" only received its name from the DBH arcade games. After a little while when the normal Super Saiyan forms and Super Saiyan God became prominent for the DBS characters again, they dropped this form entirely and never really brought it back again.

[@azure5697]

fine quality drawing, perfect dragonball heritage

[@POTANK-lb4md]

I saw saiyan beyond god as becoming a part of their base form but what you said makes sense

[@Lackifall]

It did become part of their base form

[@walkthroughstation8839]

It all makes sense now

[@JarardKenneth]

So essentially Gohan could haven potentially been closer to that during the Buu Saga. One can imagine.

[@bloodyphantom2760]

Great job explaining to us

[@lesliehunter8052]

8:35 the reason goku black's ki is like that is because he is using his own divine ki which is Zamasu's god ki. So it is kinda saiyan beyond god but not really.

[@taylormademyself89]

Finally someone besides me is talking about this form lol

[@casual_caol]

Sounds like the Mystic Gohan form to me, except for the fact that Mystic allows the use of one's full power without transforming perhaps...

[@elpopman2055]

I get what you're saying Geekdom. For Revival of F Movie.. Goku in The Movie Timeline Saiyan Beyond Is State of Being but Still Sort of A Form That Easily Surpass Goku SS Forms.. Goku has no need to transform into a Super Saiyan God because toriyama at the time had no plans to bring back Super Saiyan God.... but dragon-ball-super completely change things up. In Dragon Ball super Saiyan Beyond God Is Simply Base Form Enhanced To The Level of Gods Thanks To Whiss Training Them on How To Ki More efficiently and How To Sense God Ki.

[@luisalmonte5368]

I can't wait for super saiyan blue on the next video, looking forward to it because I love this transformation guide.

[@rascalaf]

Bro you killing it as always

[@Crashkidd25]

another great video geekdom!

[@JP-lc3wd]

Thanks Danny! Your DB content is the best!

[@link8689]

it is an power up in base, just like ultimate gohan

[@MDCGaming87]

I miss the days when Super Saiyan 3 was the absolute pinnacle of power. It just seems like such an afterthought nowadays. I would love to see Super Saiyan 3 (or at least a transformation that looks like it), used more often.

[@mikaelhawke23]

It could be Synonymous with Gohan's Ultimate Form in the sense that they are learning to access the full potential if their God KI without having to used the God Form's Transformation.

[@Geekdom101]

its not the same thing.

[@mikaelhawke23]

@@Geekdom101, I didn't say they were the same but there could be similarities even if they fundamental differently.

[@SodaiGoku]

Great vid, bro 👍

[@daboidarwin1299]

Yes ive been waiting for this forever!!

[@beastieman4207]

love this content dude really makes my day👍

[@DivineGaming22]

It is pretty stupid hot we barely see ssg it’s such a dope form

[@Fut-245]

To me it makes sense when I think about it like this. It’s almost like gohans ultimate form with god ki.

[@JohnnyChinoTorres]

I’m here geekdom and ik u worked hard on this love u daddy ☺️ no sus I got 🧦 on

[@prodigyskater2543]

Kinda reminds me of super saiyan power where he used the power of ssj without fully transforming in the afterlife after the Cell fight, Goku's using partial god ki in his base

[@kb24420880]

Never get tired of hearing that outro

[@primalvelocity3811]

That moment when you realize that Resurrection 'F' Saga Goku can defeat Buu Saga Super Saiyan 3 Goku just in his base form.

[@johnaldbrillten8930]

Not only that, base RoF arc Goku slaps BoG arc SSJ Goku (Post God Absorbtion)

[@tipjrjr326]

Shoulda... Realized that a while ago... If we're being honest... >,>

[@primalvelocity3811]

@@tipjrjr326 I've already been aware of it for a while, I'm just pointing it out.

[@tipjrjr326]

@@primalvelocity3811 good

[@chunkyogurt9130]

Could he beat ultimate Gohan?

[@awesomenessninja4830]

I always thought of Saiyan Beyond God as an very improved and powerful base form.

[@harrybaba8560]

Whenever Geekdom101 tries to overexplain stuff and treats them as facts: Toyotarou: Is that true, Senpai? Toriyama: *shrugs* I don't know, I never gave a thought about it. Sure, why not....

[@clickmaster3692]

If this was a transformation then Goku using it before his super saiyan forms makes no sense. Think about it, if this was the case we would have saw goku switch into his base form to use SBG after being in ssj3 against his opponents, like Jiren in the anime. This is why I say it's just his base form at God levels of combat without utilizing God ki, and other characters like Hit and Jiren have been able to reach these levels in base as well. On another note, Goku Black's divine base aura isn't a form; it's his natural aura due to his past godly status as a Supreme kai.

[@exci8401]

I feel like I’ve been waiting for this video for a while

[@hoshiryu]

Last comment really sorry Goku Black had like 2 Base Aura's one where his Body had a very slim Aura like Gliw and then a Black Aura ...... then he had that Filled out Aura where the Purple inside was visible and the Aura was not see-through anymore I'm assuming that Aura symbolizes Black using Saiyan Beyond God

[@3slicessenpai]

So it's basically the God Ki equivalent to the Saiyan Power from the Z filler, where Goku is tapping into a fraction of a form's power in order to get a mini buff to his base power.

[@MTd2]

Beyond God and Ultra Instincts are new skills sets learned from the gods. The different colors, red, blue, omen and white are like after burners.

[@kosmicgovernor-general706]

I see Saiyan Beyond God the same as the few times they use Super Saiyan energy but their hair just stands up and stays black for a quick second.

[@drinksomestew8159]

I really never understood why Goku used Super Saiyan against Caulifla despite having Saiyan beyond god and it's absurd to believe that Caulifla would be near the same level as Goku in base. Did he just want to give her hope that she could actually beat him or at least be on par

[@XJSPlays02]

Goku was Outta Energy After Going UI

[@drinksomestew8159]

@@XJSPlays02 I mean before that even with his fight with kale he should not have struggled as much as he did.

[@loyalfans-kxngunkasaxxx2223]

5:37 I mean they can change whatever just like they did Broly.. They just gotta write it and tell us to accept it.

[@nathanskywalker1536]

Thanks geekdom

[@Celtic1020]

Okay but whether you like it or not, he can still stack standard super Saiyan on this state and get a power boost. At the cost of stamina which is probably a result of stacking those two abilities.

[@jorgeabdielalejandrochavar650]

He can use god ki un ss giving him a minimum power up, if they transform when they already use that form then they are confirmed by the author to go directly to ssb

[@gokublackq2956]

Long have I waited 😈

[@kiss23100]

They should have never had them go back and forth from Red to Blue in the anime or manga. They absorbed the god ki in to their base. So then their hair should change when they use either Blue or Gold. I dont think they should but they could change the aura, not hair, to distinguish god or regular for base.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

Agreed

[@papahudz69]

I was hoping you would cover this

[@johnweebchan]

You should have mentioned the dbs movie. I'm pretty sure Goku used SbG against Broly. Broly became a lot stronger than Vegeta SS. But Goku fought him IN BASE. Then he transformed from SBG to SS (CHOW SUPER SAIYAN?). And maybe Gogeta also uses SbG state, that's why he was more powerful than SSG Goku. So, i think it goes like this: Base→SS1→SS2→SS3→SBG→CHOW SS (SBG+SS)→SSG→SSB

[@xavierburton7407]

So base form just powered up. Because their Ki can still be sensed before transforming into the SSG and SSB transformations.

[@Raiden-the-Goat32]

Geekdom overlooked the fact in the rival of f saga ssg blue is described as a super saiyan god turning super saiyan. This is where the hole idea of ssg being the base form of super saiyan god came from. Meaning it has nothing to do with it being a regular base form but the base form of the super saiyan god form. Another way to put it is super saiyan god is an incomplete super said god form but still would be a god form. The whole super saiyan god being a base form is only meaning a base to the super saiyan god super saiyan form. So it's not a regular type of base form.

[@silvajin]

Idk the god powers is frustrating to me because we still haven’t figured out all of the saiyans powers and it’s two forms that’s growing and it getting frustrating. If I shut my mind off it seems so cool but when I’m seeing how everything works it annoys me because why would you introduce another power system for goku when you haven’t even mastered your saiyan powers when that should be natural to goku because he’s a full blooded saiyan. I hope everything comes full circle to wrap it up but this is becoming a mess with all of the powers floating around too

[@bramboytrini400]

Great video man!!!

[@F3LiXxX]

This reminds me of your transformation guide about Super Saiyan Power. It feels like the writers for RoF took that concept of base forms tapping into energy reserves without going into the actual transformations, except with God ki, not Super Saiyan ki. And whereas the latter was mostly seen in short doses in Z and GT, it was interesting for them explore this concept by way of a more prolonged usage as Saiyans Beyond God through Whis' training. The idea behind training Goku to tap into UI characteristics in his lower forms in the Granolah arc is also pretty consistent as far as Whis' teachings go, not to mention the writers, since these 2 arcs are 6 years apart!

[@OmegaFalcon]

I completely forgot saiyan beyond god was a thing, ss blue makes more sense now.

[@wdadwdwdwadw8604]

due note this form was retconned after the Frieza Saga because it really made no sense it was suppose to be SSJG but not SSJG it would of messed up Power scaling so much which it did for the DBS Anime the good thing is that this does not exist in the manga at all unless you look at the promo chapter to get people to see the movie for $. so if you watch the DBS Anime just treat the Saiyan Beyond God form for the first 2 arcs as a Semi SSJG State without Red Hair because that is what it really is.

[@PretentiousPicklePickingPunk]

@@wdadwdwdwadw8604 Where was it retconned?

[@SSJerry]

Very good video dude

[@joeysullivanTM]

Yay!! Lets gooo!! I'm so ready for this!

[@hoshiryu]

Also i heard that a Saiyan that uses Saiyan Beyond God or God-Like Saiyan has a Permanent White Aura active (even if their Regular Aura is White too) so whenever they deacticate their Base Aura they would be back to their Regular Base

[@maxxyty7359]

Hay Geekdom please try doing a character guide It could be so cool and you could make videos on the morals and acts of the series man cast

[@smilingsaiyan8357]

Great video man always love them! Also I got one of those pamphlets and saw ROF in Japan :) fun times. I'm glad SSG stuck around:)

[@Geekdom101]

bro i wish i had one!