Sally Norton and the Trouble with Oxalates and other Plant Toxins!

[@MrSilverfish12]

I´ve watched this at least 3 times so here´s the timestamps: 1:20 - Introduction to Sally Norton 3:35 - Wake up call(Sally´s symptoms) to start low oxalate diet 7:10 - Bio accumulation of oxalates and oxalate toxicity/dumping 8:45 - Where do oxalates go in the body? 15:09 - Oxalate damage and precipitation of disease 24:00 - Change in scientific studies that´s limiting our understanding of oxalates 29:00 - Influences towards veganism and high oxalate diets through education 33:30 - Conflicts of interest within nutritional and medical studies 43:30 - Is there anyone studying nutrition well? How to study nutrition today. 48:26 - Sally´s book Toxic Superfoods 55:40 - Oxalate dumping and how to remove oxalates safely 59:20 - Alleviating issues from oxalate dumping 1:03:04 - Kidney research and cyclical oxalate management 1:04:30 - more advice on people transitioning from high oxalate diets 1:06:05 - more common symptoms of oxalate dumping and supplements that alleviate 1:10:15 - Dr Paul Saladino and Sean Baker comparison, vegetarian and normal diet transition to carnivore 1:15:00 - Using carbs to transition to full carnivore 1:18:45 - Closing notes and how to contact Sally Norton Sorry for any spelling mistakes. Enjoy!

[@karenreaves3650]

Thank you.

[@TheDogPa]

🙏

[@Corolla97ww]

Thank you.

[@lucidmonkey3591]

Fox 1 Rules

[@carlajones8741]

Thank you!❤

[@leemanwrong]

Be wary of oxalate people. I used to eat lots of greens and salad and then one day a chunk of bone broke off my femur inside my knee joint. When they were doing the surgery to repair it they could see all the oxalate crystals on the bone around the damaged area. The docs said my knee would never function properly and I would never walk properly again. It took my over a year to recover and I stuck to a carnivore diet the whole time and I can happily say now I almost full knee function and I have no issues walking!

[@robertdi2483]

Why are you willingly spreading lies?

[@leemanwrong]

@@robertdi2483 Why are you willingly accusing me of lies? Feel free to approach Dr Jonathon De Hoog from Townsville Australia who was my knee specialist and surgeon. Oxalates are very real and their effects are well known.

[@marleeamato4944]

@@robertdi2483why are you saying its a lie?

[@susanwjoh0re735]

because he is a vegan.@@marleeamato4944

[@Teenibash1969]

This sounds terrifying 😮

[@TimBolenski]

I’m 61 years old, have passed 100+ calcium-oxcalate stones since I turned 22. I’ve had more than 7 different urologists, 4 or 5 different nephrologists and several family doctors who have said nothing about the dangers of these oxcalates in the rest of my body. I’ve dealt with depression from body pain for years. Now I finally think I know why. Been on carnivore for a month and lost 26lbs. & starting to feel better.

[@TimBolenski]

Now I’m down 43 lbs.

[@mysterical-]

Amazing story. Did you find you were oxalate dumping/releasing more kidneys stones during your carnivore transition?

[@TimBolenski]

ApparentlyI was dumping Oxalates. I’m now down 51lbs.

[@TimBolenski]

@@mysterical- yes, 6 in 4 months

[@PeaceIsYeshua]

@@TimBolenski The Chinese herb, Shilintong, dissolves kidney stones super fast. I first got stones about 25 years ago-went to my Chinese herbalist the next day, and I’ve never had any since. If I feel them coming on, I just take a bottle of this stuff. I take about one bottle a year. I hope this helps. 🙏🏻

[@jeanbush8791]

Remember, the weaker, sicker & more confused we are, the easier we can be controlled.

[@mifnp8887]

And that's exactly how "they" want us!

[@grayr3d]

Fucking exactly

[@pradpradprad1]

And i can see that in India.. where vegetarianism is perhaps the highest among many countries... General cognitive ability of people is very low

[@rebeccajane3532]

I use a zeolite powder called clinoptilolote every morning upon waking. 1/2 tbs dissolved in distilled water. You want to find the ultra fine version that is under 25 microns. Do not be fooled by the zeolite sprays, they are an expensive scam with no real evidence they work, just lots of hype. You will find plenty of papers of the powder on pubmed. Those of you with severe toxicity may want to consider dosing 2-3 x a day. Good luck and God bless to you all

[@garrettpatten6312]

Wow that is so different than the story I feel like we are given in the west of an India full of super healthy deep thinkers.

[@aa.4639]

We need a hashtag surviving the vegan diet .And a documentary! The number of people that have severe health issues due to high plant consumption is crazy.

[@rainicascadia5514]

Indeed! I'm a senior in senior housing. I'm surrounded by many vegans. All have gut issues and obvious health issues such as baldness for 1 poor woman. Yet they think I'm eating a radical unhealthy diet! I think when we research carnivore for ourselves, others nutritional deficiencies are glaring! I'd love to help them but hey! I'm the crazy one! 😂 All I can do at this point is lead by example.

[@aa.4639]

@@rainicascadia5514 We have been bamboozled!

[@whitewolf8257]

Yes. I'm a reformed vegan!

[@conrad.matamusic]

#meattoo

[@aa.4639]

@@conrad.matamusic 😂

[@alisonlaing7046]

After being (willingly duped) into being vegetarian for more than 30years, I was persuaded to read Lierre Keith's book "The Vegetarian Myth". What a life changing event!! Strict Carnivore now for four years and never been better!! Thank you Anthony and Sally for this episode.

[@anthonychaffeemd]

That's great to hear, I'm glad that you are doing so much better now! And you are very welcome, I'm glad you enjoyed it :-)

[@kyuss5729]

🤡😂

[@josephinestecak4945]

Willingly duped again then!

[@KateLate____]

Did you have trouble cutting over, due to unfamiliar tastes, for example?

[@alisonlaing7046]

@@KateLate____ no, none at all. What surprised me was how badly I wanted that first fatty lamb chop! And my skin and digestive issues cleared so quickly. Utterly amazing.

[@carminecaiazzo6770]

My wife makes a smoothie every morning consisting of unsweetened almond milk, 1 cup of berries, collagen and protein powder (sometimes with a banana) and constantly complains of gas. I told her about oxalates and using almond milk every day but she just rolled her eyes!

[@ivettesantana4319]

all that powder gonna mess up her kidneys.

[@marneangel7]

Have her watch this as a holiday gift to you:)

[@JohnQPublic345]

My wife ain't any better.

[@cmgdurr8379]

I get a lot of eye rolls as well…even in their physical decline.

[@lauraa2877]

I developed permanent kidney damage from years of “healthy” smoothies 😢

[@M13x13M]

She deserves the Nobel Prize for her research .

[@CS-uc2oh]

Ahhh the response of the ignorant. She knows a lot but she's no expert and still in her carb addiction.

[@vivian3371]

She is payed by elite who want you to eat bugs not healthy live plants, veggies , fruit, seeds and mushrooms. Wake up.

[@patedwards8844]

​@@CS-uc2ohwhat do you know?

[@sizesmall1756]

I'm only 11 minutes in, writing down everything Sally is explaining and my GOD - I have to stop and say THANK YOU for this information!!!! I've been going so hard at the sweet potato and spinach, both touted as 'superfoods'!!! From being a healthy kid I've developed weird liver, heart and lung fragility and many signs that all was not well from jaundice to palpitations and lung pain and infections... I would NEVER have thought it could be linked to these foods/oxalate toxicity!! I just discovered oxalates like, last week!!! I'm 33 now and ready to turn this thing around, hamburger here I come! OMG sincerely, THANK YOU

[@anthonychaffeemd]

You are very welcome! I'm so glad it is helpful to you!

[@starsthedog]

Don't give up

[@iloveseaglass]

I know it’s crazy we are just learning this stuff. I’m in my 60’s

[@breestep9591]

How are you doing now?

[@keepingitreal-thatsright]

@@iloveseaglassI’ll be 59 in April. Been in health and wellness field for decades and I so wish I knew this way back then!! Im on day 33 carnivore

[@B81Mack]

I'm floored by how many angles of this subject she touches on and how insightful she is. So well done!

[@rwhelanable]

Very thoughtful approach. I feel so fortunate to have found this "oxalate lady"!! Ordered her book tonight, as my carnivore jump into the deep end has landed me with some scary dumping symptoms.

[@AuroraB-74]

I was studying nutrition at my current college and was taught fat is bad and eat healthy whole grains, this was last year. I decided not to go into nutrition after that. After listening to Sally I might reconsider just to get the degree and then do my own thing

[@8675-__]

Grains are the reason our teeth decay...also corn and wheat are GMO. It's not what it once was and a lot of people can't eat these foods anymore!

[@climbingcasually]

Exactly what I'm thinking. Lie my girl-nuts off and get the paperwork to help people.

[@TheoSmith249]

@@climbingcasually from what I see in 'big education' including med school, its the only way to progress successfully.

[@malzimus]

What about doing a naturopathic route instead? It includes a lot of different health things including nutrition.

[@alishastudart8510]

You can go to naturopathic or alternative schools that will teach what she teaches. There are other options outside of the mainstream universities

[@beautifulandbold7117]

Had a dr tell me to stop eating eggs. Stopped seeing him instead. I've never felt better. Walk every day. Eat eggs every day💛✨️

[@B81Mack]

Good choice!

[@keepingitreal-thatsright]

I LOVE EGGS 🥚!!!!!

[@nbtc539]

If you check out the yolks of different egg types it’s actually unreal. The more orange the more flavor/vitamins . I find the pasture raised eggs have the most vivid orange yolk color

[@Canary-q6y]

🍳🍳🍳🍳🍳🍳

[@obsidian66]

I eAt 3-4 eggs every single morning

[@MorganReece]

50:18 “The harder you try to eat healthy, the less likely you are to feel great” - story of my life! Have tried soooo hard for almost 30 years, juicing, low carb, eating “plenty of dark leafy greens” (spinach & kale), sweet potatoes and homemade stevia-sweetened chocolate… while getting worse. So grateful for this interview! I started carnivore 36 hours ago and already noticed no late-night cravings last night. Sally’s book sounds essential to the detox process for someone in my shoes. Wow.

[@clemclemson9259]

same here im ready for a new approach. hope you are doing well!

[@CubitaLola]

Same. I never understood all the nutrient deficiencies and chronic fatigue while eating "healthy." Now I know. And almond flour is in almost every keto dessert recipe. Eye opener!

[@ellie698]

I did *everything* right all my life; low fat diet, avoided the sun, got diagnosed with multiple sclerosis at 40 ☹️

[@kesakary]

I kept having kidney stones on my "healthy" juice diet. I discussed this with my chiropractor, and she said spinach will do that. After doing a handful of spinach every day for months, I quit this "healthy" diet. Not one stone since quitting spinach over 3 years ago.

[@janetdiaz8916]

In the book, The diet cure, She mentions that some people can get a specific vitamin from fish, and others from spinach, depending on ancestral genes. If you can't eat spinach, take fish oil or eat fish. You will see such a difference in how you feel mentally and physically.

[@sunnylife7934]

Love Sally’s comment on how economies depend on our being ill.

[@jeannedigennaro6484]

Yes, so many of us have come to this realization and have said as much. Sad but true.

[@kimdawcatgirl]

Healthcare is a business.

[@sereanaduwai8313]

So true.

[@danielscarbrough4363]

Recently discovered Sally, gotta LOVE her! Really, love, that, lady!

[@YetundeAjayi-nv3of]

So what does one eat if not vegetables,

[@MarieLittle-zd5kc]

Just changing my doctor. Because she actually said to me that diet has nothing to do with health! And, I needed to cut back on the thyroid meds because I lost 40 pounds, and she refused - she said just skip your thyroid medication one day a week because you're just going to gain the weight back anyway. I started Keto in 2004 when I weighed 330 pounds. I lost 120 pounds and continued until this year when I found Carnivore. I had maintained that first weight loss for 18 years and she was not impressed either with that weight loss or my current efforts. I will say that I was pre-diabetic in 2004 and that is what caused me to become interested in better health.

[@mackenziescott813]

Way to go! 🎉 My doctor three years ago also told me diet has nothing to do with health. He was a young, obese doctor. Yeah…

[@MarieLittle-zd5kc]

@@mackenziescott813 I think they are just trying to get rid of any patients who can think for themselves.... 😞 I am vegetarian now and feeling great.

[@karenreaves3650]

@@mackenziescott813 I have been fired by two Doctors I disagreed with. 😂 I have intuitively and through research not trusted the AMA since age 15. Rockefeller Medical Mafia.

[@mifnp8887]

Oh my goodness, tell us who this 'doctor' is! We need to be warned!!

[@MarieLittle-zd5kc]

@@mifnp8887 Endwell, New York. But, they are everywhere. Sadly.

[@HeroicCoachingwithDan]

The two of you Dr. Chaffee and Sally are a dynamic dual in the battle for good nutritional guidance, science, and inspiration to navigate the nonsense.

[@patedwards8844]

Duo

[@sallysmiththechaosqueller9536]

The name "Sally" means noble angel. You're an angel helping others. Well done indeed.

[@garryclarke6663]

No angel,she believes others beliefs are fantasy

[@karenp2903]

My friend just died of cancer. Her diet for years consisted of green smoothies including lots of kale and spinach. She grew a large garden and made a freezer full of soup for the winter. She started having seizures a few years ago and the doctors could not figure out why. Then she got stomach cancer and lasted about six months. Her friends are in shock because of her supposed healthy diet.

[@Tutiwashername]

That’s awful. And she died believing this is the way to eat. Which most of us were. Sorry about your friend.

[@chenzog6657]

Did she take the clot shot

[@emh8861]

Keto high fat diet is known to help seizures.

[@billhamilton7524]

@@Tutiwashername But millions of people eat like that and do fine ,there's also negative research on carnivore diet ,so whats the answer

[@juderickman8275]

😳💔

[@JarinXeno]

For a long time I found going to a doctor to be extremely frustrating. Unless there is an easy pill that can be prescribed most doctors today are absolutely clueless. More than once I have gone to a doctor for an issue to quickly realize that I knew more about the condition than they did. Thankfully I have come to realize that being carnivore will cure the majority of issues you might ever need to see a doctor for in the first place.

[@ezmessages4976]

“ Most Doctors today are absolutely clueless.” OMG, spot on! Seems like I have to just get blood tests ONLY because following their instructions and going along with whatever they wanted to do in and out of the hospital almost killed me numerous times. I don’t go to hospitals or see drs. Just do a blood test twice a year or less. I’m 72 now and soooo much better. Especially doing the lion diet. Peeps in my neighborhood that are in their late 20’s early 3’s are shocked when they see my young looking body. They say they hope to look like me when they are my age. 😳🤔😁

[@TerriblePerfection]

Great choice, especially for those of us who were plant-based for years or even decades. I follow Sally around KZbin like a duckling. After 3 years carnivore, I think I'm still dumping oxalates. 😔

[@anthonychaffeemd]

Crazy! Well this too shall pass, and eating a proper human diet will help

[@SG-ji5ij]

I agree! She is a Godsend.

[@TerriblePerfection]

@@anthonychaffeemd I'm 66 though, so hopefully it passes before I do. 😂

[@davidrodgers4760]

​@@anthonychaffeemd youre,great/,do you know whats going on .in the world,global genocide.huh

[@davidrodgers4760]

​@@TerriblePerfection what passes!!!??

[@mercuriaazalieu6335]

I am only just over 7 mins of this video and this has been The Most informative video of my life. I am harming myself with high amounts of oxylates... What an incredible wake Up call .. I highly respect and appreciate your powerful knowledge and wisdom. About 20 years ago Iwas on high animal protein. I was healthy.... then decided to go the "healthier " way. It has been a decline on many levels. You are both phenomenal Beings

[@malzimus]

Good you're gaining info./help here. Nutrition with Judy also did qnd interview with a British gentleman about oxalates and it's so packed full of info. and guidance, worth the watch.

[@colettejaques2559]

😂😂

[@sholbk]

Thank you Sally for spreading the word. I've toggled on and off a carnivore diet since 2016. When I first tried the diet, oxalates came out on my teeth. I've had oxalates come out all kinds of places, in my stool, boils, weird moving inflammation in my joints. At first, I didn't know what it was. I did a deep dive in the searches on Facebook Carnivore groups. I'm much better now and stay on the carnivore diet for longer stints. I was Vegan and Paleo before I switched to a carnivore diet. I ate a ton of almonds, spinach, and nuts. My health continues to get better, but it is a very slow process.

[@anthonychaffeemd]

I'm glad to hear that you're doing better! Keep at it, eventually you'll get through this as well.

[@janetprice1368]

How do you know that oxalates are on your teeth? Tartar? How do you deal with that or the boils?

[@mikieemiike3979]

I remember in 2019 I was on the high veggie keto diet. In sept i felt so sick. I had heart palpitations and they would keep me up all night. I had to go into the office at 6am. I was trying to make a good impression at my new engineering job as a designer, but i was struggling. I had a random thought, "maybe veggies are actually bad for us". I looked it up and sure enough. I discovered oxalate overload, I think, from Mrs. Norton. I quit everything except meat cold-turkey. I sleep well the first night. As the days went on I felt so fatigue and in a daze, but I persevered. Eventually it got better and i was the weirdo cooking steaks in the break room. I fell off the diet in 2021 and now I learned enough to stick with it.

[@terrypeters8682]

Worth the time to listen to the entire podcast. The genuine interest of figuring out the why behind what is ruining our health. Sally is the person you could literally talk with for weeks.

[@blendn2011]

This is the 1 thing I need to know more about. My family thinks I'm crazy. Been Carnivore for 4 months.

[@anthonychaffeemd]

Great! Well I hope you like it, and I hope you like Carnivore! I certainly do

[@ts31966]

From my personal experience. Save yourself, they will see your results and change. Many people cannot be persuaded to buck the system.

[@denisedecker7330]

@@ts31966 exactly. My family has horrible history of arthritis. My sister has rheumatoid arthritis and has seen the changes that carnivores brought to me and my pain, but says " I don't think I could do that. I like salads too much." Her hands are deformed, She sometimes has to sleep sitting up in a recliner, And that's not 🚫 Carby food she barely eats but salads.

[@trishkline6507]

@@denisedecker7330 same with my family

[@ts31966]

@@denisedecker7330 my family does not believe any of this information. This information flies directly in the face of what is taught in school and what doctors practice. Anthony touches on this in this and many interviews. The only way to change minds is by example. People around me see what I eat, they see the results and they start changing their minds. It is a slow process. Just be thankful you are not as brainwashed as they are. We have all been deceived, propagandized, and brainwashed. Once people learn the truth MY DREAM is what Dr. Chaffee mentioned, I new Nuremberg trial!!! A public forum where these scam artists will be held accountable and justice will be served.

[@realjasondaniels]

I’m on day six of carnivore after eating pescatarian with mostly fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds and brown rice as my diet, as per my vegan PCP. I’m experiencing some of the signs of oxalate dumping and was thinking about giving up. Chowing down on my tri-tip pot roast omelette with bacon and a scoop of ghee as I watch. This is exactly what i needed to see today. ❤

[@marianmcoy7816]

What are the signs of oxalate dumping?

[@rickstafford9024]

It’s amazing how the human body can survive for so long while taking in the plant toxins and no saturated fat. Thanks Dr. Chaffee for all the true information you and your guests provide. At 61 years old I wish I knew the truth decades earlier. Long live carnivores!

[@kyuss5729]

"long live" .. oh the irony 🥴🤣

[@jencieedwards1735]

Me too

[@navy80to04]

62 now carnivore 1.5 years

[@kyuss5729]

@@navy80to04 really "smart" decision 🥴🤦‍♂️🤣

[@lawrencetrujillo7365]

ROFL there is plenty of plants that have saturated fats…..🤦‍♂️

[@geoffreylevens9045]

Excellent and frightening considering what I've eaten nearly my entire 72 years.

[@katebettesworth2638]

Omg I an totally overwhelmed with what I should and shouldn't eat!! And it changes every five minutes!

[@terrycayea5913]

Sally has helped me heal from oxalates with her wonderful information and group sessions and Anthony you have made an amazing difference in my lifestyle choices so the quality of my life has improved. Thank you both.

[@ethimself5064]

For some reason her KZbin Channel seems to be abandoned, although lots of her in here

[@karimlours]

Oh 😮I need some hints. Does she talk about that on one other videos?

[@ethimself5064]

@@karimlours All of them

[@TheBaronessOfBeef]

I had never heard of oxalates until I went carnivore and discovered Sally. She's such a wonderful source of knowledge as you are, Anthony. Great interview ☺️💪🖤

[@B81Mack]

She's the status quo's worst nightmare... a true thinker and a genuinely honest person.

[@bestla_]

I was paleo for a couple of years before as well as during my first pregnancy. LOTS of almonds, spinach, kale & sweet potato etc daily. My first born ended up having a kidney stone diagnosed at 4 weeks of age after we noticed blood in his urine. Thankfully it passed by itself and no more have reappeared. Carnivore now for 4+ years and three children later with no similar health scares.

[@mariamunguia8863]

That is unbelievable! Seriously your baby had stones!! Wow I am shocked 😳

[@jeannedigennaro6484]

Wow! Never heard of that in a baby.

[@ewarajtar3961]

How was your pregnancy as a carnivore mama? I’m super interested in this topic

[@lawrencetrujillo7365]

You ate the plants that literally have the highest amount of oxalates and lectins good job for not doing some research. Don’t blame plants blame yourself. All Almonds used to be inedible poison until a mutation in one tree.

[@bestla_]

@@lawrencetrujillo7365 Thanks for your input. I'm not sure if you intended to sound condescending & hostile, or if it came across that way because you simply care about others so strongly. Obviously I do blame myself and feel that I should have known better. Taking your weeks old baby to ER is pretty terrifying and the guilt that followed was immense. So thanks for reminding me that it's my fault. I was always taught that these foods are necessary for good health and that oxalates can be minimised by soaking / sprouting / cooking etc. Believe it or not, one can not know everything about nutrition at a given point in time. I have continued learning and now know that i was wrong and oxalates aren't so easily removed from foods, and made changes to our diets many years ago. I'm not sure how your point adds to the discussion...? I'm sharing my experience here to highlight to others a potential consequence of oxalate consumption during pregnancy and breastfeeding.

[@praisejesus0406]

When I was eating tons of fresh organic vegetables and fruits and occasional dark chocolate...I felt terrible!! I was bloaty, gassy, full of inflammation and slept horrible! I switched to carnivore after months of research 4 months ago and I feel so much better! All my symptoms are gone...the few times I veered off of strict carnivore within hours my gut was hurting so badly! Carnivore way of eating will be my way for the rest of my life...btw, I will be 61 tomorrow...I wasted so much of my life eating food full of oxalates because I listened to the "experts".

[@insights3140]

It’s incredible what we didn’t learn in school. Thank you both for your work in re-educating all of us!

[@clemclemson9259]

and what the doctors dont learn i school or if they do they sure dont tell me about this stuff...

[@osieg]

Anthony and Sally popped up on KZbin about two weeks ago. I just received Sally’s book. Looking forward to reading it. Started meat only about 10 days ago. I swear I had all the symptoms Sally had. So unreal.

[@stanleymcintyre8100]

My goodness we have been lied to in so many ways. Everything is backwards. I am day four into a strictly carnivore diet, my colour has improved, yes I want some sugar, not hungry. It is twelve noon, I have done more today than I would do in a week prior. Have already lost weight. I am yes doing it for weight loss but much more for severe depression, not wanting to be here, wow has that lifted a huge amount. Actually feeling happy, had a great three mile walk in nature..... listening to you guys and others, and tracking myself will keep me going. I can do it one day at a time. Thanks for your information.

[@candyfire7354]

How's it going? On month five of carnivore and I don't have IBS anymore after twenty years of suffering, and my love handles are gone. How do your moods feel? I felt mine stabilize so fast and all my inflammation left my joints within days.

[@joanneferndale101]

Yep, me too depression less and poops to the rest!! 😂

[@marianmcoy7816]

Please share whether or not you did a gradual transition to which Sally refers. I’m feeling nervous because I changed abruptly. Going on day 3 today

[@TheGirlnurse]

@@marianmcoy7816 I did it abruptly. As a result my face is now covered in a red rash on both cheeks. My back hurt so bad one morning I literally couldn’t stand up straight! I ate a little bit of chocolate one night to slow it down. My back got better, my face not so much. In a positive side, I haven’t seen my stomach this flat since high school! I’m in my 60’s!

[@marianmcoy7816]

@@TheGirlnurse thanks for sharing your results. I haven’t experienced oxalate dumping, and the only mitigating foods I consumed were a few nuts, coffee, a little milk and kefir, and red wine. I’m in my 60’s and also am experiencing a flat stomach. It feels fantastic, and no more diverticulitis.

[@sheilacollins9384]

I took general chemistry at a local community college and it was an excellent class (as were nearly all my classes there). The professor explained things so well, gave us pertinent exercises to do, labs to perform, papers to write, answered our questions clearly, encouraged us to think. It was great! It's sad to hear that an Ivy League school couldn't deliver for Sally.

[@mariagrangeno9367]

I went carnivore for 2 weeks now and bs levels dropped from 180s to 80s!! 😳There is light at the end of the tunnel.

[@denisedecker7330]

Congradulations!

[@zelaevatomcat6927]

What is bs levels?

[@LetsGoYall]

Blood sugar

[@stevangelical7052]

Two weeks? 30 years is a long way off.

[@missfloflowers]

Wow. I started carnivore 2 days ago. Blood sugar was at 21. After 2 days down to 14.

[@jaytee3baxter]

Everyone in the carnivore world who has been arguing about Paul Saladino should watch this, including Paul Saladino. This makes so much sense. Your past eating history can have a long tail.

[@punkybear1868]

Do you mean that fruit and honey are his way of slowly dumping ox?

[@il-conte]

@@punkybear1868 No, that his oxalate dumping affected some organs (such as the thyroid) screwing up his metabolism, so he cannot stay in ketosis all the time. Therefore he needs carbs every now and then as a source of energy.

[@CubitaLola]

​@@il-conteI have Hashimotos and Im still having some carbs such as blueberries/strawberries, it does feel that it helps.

[@fawnfarrier5139]

This was a key part of the video for my understanding the differences. 👌 My husband and I have very different dietary tails... I've been nervous about my pending oxilate dumping. Now I feel like I have tools to take action.

[@faisal-ca]

I appreciate Sally's respectful approach towards people who struggle to switch to Carnivore lifestyle. I am transitioning by following 90% carnivore lifestyle. Giving yourself time is always important.

[@punkybear1868]

This is my story. Started in December and mostly carnivore. I do have milk and coffee and on occasion I will enjoy a waffle or birthday cake. I plan to fully eliminate but I feel this way I'm actually marketing carnivore better for people around me that might not consider it because it's extreme.

[@cathyann6835]

I’m between 80-90% carnivore. I stick with low oxalate low carb veggies. But I love my wild blueberries which is my dessert. I’m only 6 weeks in and feel so much better than before. But I’m still healing from autoimmune and inflammatory issues.

[@debbienolan656]

I'm a recovering plant based addict. Now enjoying all the health benefits of switching to a meat based diet. Thanks for the heads up with the inner workings about toxins. The physiology is what helps me to understand it all.

[@ts31966]

Anthony, when you made that comment about the Nuremberg trials I was cheering!!! We are on exactly the same page!!! Please protect yourself. You are a threat to trillions of dollars in profits and an entire financial system. I pray for you often.

[@ashara_rhaenys]

Thank you so much Dr. Chaffee for this interview, you both are so inspiring. I love Sally, she is so incredibly smart and elocuent, a true expert in oxalates. Petition for a podcast with other amazing expert: Mary Ruddick. She studied different tribes in africa and their ancestral meat based diets (like the maasai and the hadza) and also, she lived in some blue zones like Ikaria, and debunked the myth that they are heavy plant based cultures. She is so interesting and smart as well.

[@itzakpoelzig330]

I second this vote. I would love to hear from Mary Ruddick.

[@2togo53]

" Hunting for info thats helpful!" no better words spoken to a 67 yro female on Carnivore. Been 1 1/2 weeks. Feeling better. more energy, less body pain. Thank you. A long painless happy life to you both.

[@nledelnr]

Sally Norton is such a beautiful source of truth and knowledge.

[@britndansgramma]

My husband was just in Loma Linda University Hospital and they would not feed him MEAT! They wouldn't release him until he came out of ketosis (ok, he really hadn't eaten in 3 days because of surgery) and ate a ton of carbs (he had been carb free for over a year). He's still paying the price for eating the carbs. When he got home, all he would eat was three scrambled eggs four times a day. Took him over a month to add additional meats to his meals. Now, he's back to normal and enjoying his meat meals again.

[@musiclover60302]

These people are incredibly ignorant! I’m sorry this happened. No knowledge of the Proper Human Diet, eggs, meat, saturated fat.

[@dianavp9054]

"Patients are getting really frustrated with their doctors" is an understatement! I don't have a primary MD since 2013, being seen by only NDs, all plant-based proponents. I will see a doctor/urgent care if I need drugs or surgery, otherwise, I read and experiment on myself to find the foods that heal. I've been trying to manage electrolyte imbalance for the past 5 years, never knowing how oxalates played into it. Been mostly carnivore since 2020, but have not been able to totally end my addiction to dark chocolate and macadamia nuts. I think this video just cinched the deal and helped me understand exactly why I still feel like crap. End the nuts and chocolate and I might eventually heal.

[@suzannefurman3957]

That particular nut is pretty safe. Almonds are high oxalate tho . Good to Google the nut plus the word oxalate

[@TomHamilton54]

Slowly

[@jetryan624]

I suggest you get her book & companion book that accurately lists out oxalate levels in foods; so you can tell which are low or no oxalate, versus medium to high to very high oxalate levels.

[@thecrazyandthewild]

This conversation was illuminating. I've being fighting with this issue for three years. Getting there! Thank you both, have an amazing day!

[@justinhall4510]

Within a matter of days of switching my nutrition I have had less migraines and joint pain. Listening to this is mind blowing in the best way possible thank you for this vital information ❤

[@fishermgcj]

Now I finally understand why my heart disease worsened until I needed heart bypass surgery after 3 years on vegan diet!! Wow!!! Carnivore diet now. Almost 3 weeks. And for as long as I’m on this earth! Wish I’d known before.

[@annhood3]

Wow this is awesome. As a person who spent 20+ yrs in medical and has kidney stones (hx 3 surgeries ) I so appreciate this. Knew some of this info but learned so much more. Have been encouraging people to be carnivore/ keto low oxalate recently again. This will really help. Much ❤ to you both

[@matthewhoffman6749]

Side note on kidney stones. I've worked w multiple marine technicians that habitually get anti freeze on their hands. They also habitually get kidney stones. Just last week one "changed his truck radiator" and the following week had a kidney stone ( went to doctor). Upon asking out of curiosity....did you get antifreeze on your hands? He said yes, absolutely... and with 2 days had a stone. TAKE NOTE PEOPLE. 😉

[@CherubChick1221]

Fascinating!! 😲

[@ninawildr4207]

This woman changed my life! Up there with Nina Teicholz...hero status imo...!

[@Norman_Gunstan1]

Same ❤

[@davidrodgers4760]

What exactly specifically do U eat on carnivore

[@davidrodgers4760]

​@@Norman_Gunstan1 what exactly specifically do U eat on carnivore

[@tracyd2598]

@@davidrodgers4760 beef, eggs, fish, seafood, butter, heavy cream, pork, bacon, chicken, and drink water.

[@davidrodgers4760]

@@tracyd2598 as usual vague carnivores.

[@jeffrey4577]

She's 100% correct about each person needing individualized diet right for them but animal based 👍‼️❤️

[@danielscarbrough4363]

There is hope if you are suffering from OXALATE CLEARING as I currently am, this entire talk is very informative. If time constrained, hear the last 30 minutes...pure gold!

[@tallcedars2310]

Sally was the first video I saw on oxalates. In videos lately, they do not bring home the fact that oxalates and other toxins are the cause of mitochondria malfunctioning. For those entering into carnivore I feel her knowledge is vital in completely understanding how food works in our bodies. Wish more content providers would include some of her information and refer to her book.

[@martinbecklen6486]

Wonderful conversation. I especially appreciate Ms Norton's insight of early vegetarians putting ideology before the science instead of the other way around. The problem with ideology is that it stifles freedom to test and reach independent conclusions. But, as we know, ideologues aren't interested in testing their ideas. Thanks to both for a stimulating conversation.

[@johnkaylor8670]

Martin you are spot on in your observations 'ideology' and 'ideologues'. I have always been amazed at people who think they can just "conceive" of new ideas and then promptly treat them as though they're automatically confirmed due to some appealing aspects of the idea without having to do actual testing to verify their validity.

[@kimdawcatgirl]

Just had a conversation with my neighbors sister, whose son was just hospitalized with gout. They put him on a high vegetable diet. I told her about oxalates and said spinach is very high in oxalates and she said, then why is he improving? Apparently the degree of improvement is just enough to keep people blind to the truth about oxalates and their impact on health. Beating a dead horse sometimes with certain people who are brainwashed into thinking the Healthcare system is on your side, not money's.

[@leemanwrong]

He will improve because eating just veges will alleviate the randle cycle which is what can cause gout.

[@colettejaques2559]

Remember....mad cow?? Don't be so frustrated...there is pros and cons to both

[@billhamilton7524]

@@leemanwrong so than its a good thing ??

[@leemanwrong]

@@billhamilton7524 Compared to a standard western diet its a good thing. The main issue is combining excess carbs and fats together. Eating a low fat high carb diet or a high fat low carb diet helps prevent this.

[@doglover19601]

Well…she said he is improving.

[@dylancag977]

WOW! Sally, you beautiful soul! Thank you! You just changed my life!!! I have been so confused about why I felt so good when I first started carnivore, but now experiencing skin problems and exhaustion and brain fog again. I can't wait to dive into your book and all your material. Blessings abound! 😊 And as always, TY Dr. Chaffee for this and so many mind bending wonderful forays into sharing and underatanding health. Just so impressed, so blown away. So GREATFUL! I WAS SO SICK and when these symptoms came back I was terrified that I would never understand and was giving up hope. You guys gave me hope back! Now...let's see, the proof is in the pudding so they say. I will implement Sally's recommendations and see if it helps. 😊

[@rayj.9568]

Since you were eating a carnivore diet, why did the skin problems, exhaustion, and brain fog return?

[@peterboytRaKs]

I saw this video 10 months ago. But I'm seeing again now, for the 1st time. Thanks Anthony and Sally.

[@candacescanvases]

I have been practicing carnivore for two plus years and I still cannot seem to feel better. Everyday there is another weird thing goin on in my body. Praying for breakthrough! Feeling a bit crushed at the moment.

[@ritalawson7020]

Oxolates it takes time for them to clear drink water it will help

[@iloveseaglass]

She said maybe add a few carbs drink green tea🤷🏻‍♀️

[@iloveseaglass]

Look up Dr Ken Berry look at list of video maybe something can help you. He suggest blood work maybe get that checked he hasn’t a video of what labs you need

[@calculatedrisk2338]

Eat single ingredient food. Don’t restrict yourself.

[@ezmessages4976]

Some times peeps have problems with too many histamines, MAST cell activation, histamine intolerance because they don’t have enough DAO enzymes in their body. Get some DAO. Sure saved me!!

[@barb987]

Haven’t we been lied to about just everything? 😭

[@anthonychaffeemd]

Pretty much, yes. There's always going to be agendas mixed in with the truth to muddy the waters

[@keepingitreal-thatsright]

@@anthonychaffeemd YEP!!

[@google12greekmythsthatprove.]

The definition of the word religion is a BELIEF in and WORSHIP of a superhuman controlling power especially that of a PERSONAL God or Gods. Who has a personal God? After the female egg chooses the swimmer the unborn baby starts to receive messages through the womb from the energies of the birth mother and when curious we had no choice but to go WITHIN and we had these experiences WITHOUT a BELIEF in those experiences. The word Atheist was created by humankind in the 1570s.

[@m.j.debruin3041]

Jup, in history and cosmology too.

[@HenrikRClausen]

Ehm, .. Yes!

[@RebeccaAnderson-ne4pf]

I've been eating carnivore diet for almost a month now and feeling better in several ways, but I know I'm still not well. I have at least two auto-immune issues and I did encounter the word. "oxalate" but hadn't figured out what that really means. I'm thankful for this video teaching me what I need to know NOW! Thank you!

[@cassieb1860]

Sally is the reason I started Carnivore. I ended up with some wild crystal dumping for about 8 months. Then I got a nasty staph infection on my face and after two rounds of treatments I absolutely could not eat meat or seafood for about 8 months. Just the the smell of it made me gag. Everything meat/seafood smelled like it was rotten. It has taken me most of this year to get back to it. Gained 25 pounds and in prediabetic range now! Thankfully this month I have been enjoying being 90% carnivore again!

[@moabman6803]

How are you now?

[@iloveseaglass]

Gosh you went thru a lot

[@cassieb1860]

@@moabman6803 I am doing great! I am over my meat issue and now eating mostly a very limited veg and heavy meat diet. Lost my weight. Most of joint inflammation is gone, unless I slip up while eating out. (Hard to control the ingredients and I am sensitive to seed oils) I did stop eating dairy and now my reflux is almost gone.

[@Super_V12]

Dr. Chaffee, thank you so much for your dedication into this topic. My wife is full Punjabi, her dad is vegetarian and has diabetes. Never made sense until being educated by you. Her entire family has a mydrid of health issues, physical and mental. After switching her to carnivore, its been black vs white.

[@therealdeal3672]

So happy to catch the two of you together on a live! And what a great video! Thank you!

[@chrislastnam6822]

The main toxic metabolite of antifreeze is oxalic acid. People poisoned by antifreeze feel like their brains are swollen , inflamed . They are often diagnosed with encephalitis. People with oxalate poisoning have similar symptoms.

[@Yutbeirk]

I have Sally’s book Toxic Superfoods. My go to book because I am prone to kidney stones. I highly recommend her book.

[@redsteedproperties2405]

Sally’s biochemistry class experience was unfortunate. When I got my biology degree I had an amazing biochemistry professor (this was about 25 years ago). He was big on critical thinking skills. On our exams we would find completely new problems we had never seen, and we would have to use what we learned in class as tools to figure out the problem on the exam. It was excellent for learning & I loved it. Unfortunately lazy students started sending him death threats because his class was “too hard”. I was so pissed at those losers, but happy that the professor stuck to his guns at least until I was done with his class.

[@redsteedproperties2405]

I meant to say “problem solving skills”.

[@Justin.Martyr]

*I just Wanted to HAVE a LIST of OxaLate Foods, so that I wouLd then* *Know wut NOT to Eat AnyMore!!!* *This was just 120 minutes of BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH & it did NOT Do Me* *a Bit of GOOD!!! Justin. James. Martyr. (at)/ Eugene, Oregon. Aug17, 2023 !!!*

[@rayj.9568]

​@Justin.Martyr , Simply Google "foods with oxalate." All of the blah, blah, blah, is for people who want sources and a thorough understanding of the subject.

[@ActivateMission2ThisTimeline]

​@@Justin.Martyrjust Google it for Pete's sake😮😮😮.

[@JeanHendrix-zl5hv]

Just look up the carnivore diet. There are so many interviews and postings on KZbin. But basically you can't eat anything but meat and meat products that also includes fish and some dairy products.

[@VirginieKimball]

This has been the most enlightening information. I started to check all the things I put in my morning lemon drink with powders. Was shocked how everything from matcha, moringa, ashwaganda…..has oxalates. REALLY! This interview with Sally was very profound. Now I understand how are defective bodies are unable to balance all these lectins, oxalates and what else🥸🧐🥺☹️ Dr Chaffee keep up these platforms of knowledge. Thank you for your personal desire to improve our health! Thank you

[@marina2mar]

Excellent interview, and thank you for sharing the experience of studying! It makes sense why a lot of experts don't know what is happening to our bodies and health. You pay a lot of money for education and you get confusion instead of proper knowledge.

[@marina2mar]

P.s. I've just bought Sally's book :)

[@24carrotgold8]

I was eating carnivore for 6 months and then started having weird symptoms. 20-30 white head pimples started appearing in the inside of both elbow creases. Then I would wake up with my eyes glued shut. I visit the bathroom at 1-2 hour intervals at night. Random joints would begin to ache. I just bought her book so I can control this oxalate dumping.🤪🥴

[@yvonnedyer5371]

I have been carnivore for 5 months and have been getting dry eyes and wake up with eyes glued shut and hard to open too

[@draselee6131]

Thank you both! Sally is incredible and she makes it understandable for the rest of us folks.

[@sesh_n]

Wow, what an incredible video this is. I started having a lot of issues/symptoms at about 6 months in to my carnivore experience. I went strict carnivore overnight, cutting out all plant and processed foods entirely, what some refer to as the lion diet. I could not figure out where all these symptoms started coming from, the biggest being severe cramps in my feet, among a few other more mild symptoms like flakey scalp and lower than usual energy. The cramps got to the point I simply could not continue without adding carbs back to my diet. This video clearly explained what I was going through without ever have talking to or meeting Sally Norton. I will be looking into more of her work. Thank you both for this video!

[@wanderingheart9447]

Agreed….great timing for me as well. I’ve been doing ketovore (heavy on the clean meat) with IF for years and jumping into strict carnivore next week, so ordered Ms. Nortons book so I can be aware of the withdrawals from oxalates since lack of carbs wont be my issue. So happy I came across his video.

[@the_carnivorist]

Thank you Dr. Chaffee and Sally for all that you do. I fully credit Sally and yourself for helping save my life with the information you have shared. Best to you both. James

[@Prioritymale]

I followed standard American diet for decades. Kidney stones, health issues galore. Went strict vegan for 8 months. Kidney stones still, lost muscle, hungry constantly , thinning hair pale skin. Went carni a year ago. I feel bad look 20 years younger. No kidney problem. All health issues disappeared completely in three weeks. I eat a lot of eggs cheese and sausage. Costs me less than $5 per day to eat and be totally satisfied and feel like a machine.

[@CubitaLola]

I am newer to this lifestyle. Eating mostly eggs daily, ground beef and dairy as well. Some blueberries and asparagus still

[@lauraf.2450]

Thank you Dr. Chaffee for interviewing Sally. I went 100% about six weeks ago and have been very sick. I think oxalate poisoning is the cause. For decades I have been blending super high oxalate foods in my Vitamix and drinking them and just getting sicker. So when I learned about carnivore and how plants are trying to kill me, I knew it was true. I stopped all food except meat, eggs, and fat and within a week, I could barely function (no exaggeration). I am so glad that I learned about oxalate dumping and how I can mitigate the side effects. I will be joining her next class and buying her book. Dr. Chaffee, I like your 100% attitude about carnivore and I think it is the way to go, and now I can do it without hurting myself in the meantime. I really appreciate your willingness to sacrifice your time and career to help people like me. Thank you!! ❤

[@CubitaLola]

How are you doing now?

[@sophie4636]

What Sally says about oxalates attaching to damaged and regenerating tissue is so true. I had surgery on my bile duct, the whole of my bile duct was scrapped out due to a stone blocking it.. at the time, I was drinking gallons of strong tea with soya milk in it. My bile duct FILLED with oxylate crystals. For the last nine years, my bile duct grossly dilated to 5 times its natural size, causing me intense agony. Fat appeared to be the problem so I ended up increasingly eating vegetables and less and less meat and eggs. I was permanently on liquid oxycodone just to cope with the pain. In the meantime, my joints became painful, my bladder became painful, I got horrible brain fog, and blew up like a balloon. Finally, i was diagnosed with ME/CFS... Dr's couldn't help me, I begged them to take my bile duct out. Luckily, the NHS in the UK currently has long waiting lists because while I was waiting, I discovered Sally's work! I knew immediately this was my problem. I bought some TUDCA to help my bile production increase and gradually increased my meat and fat consumption. Almost immediately, my bladder irritation and kidney pain stopped! My bile duct pain is reversing, my energy is returning! My brain fog has gone, my mood has improved. The weight is melting off. The joint pain is taking a while to reverse and the occasional immune system flare up from oxylate dumping making me feel a little poorly, so I munch some nuts or have a cup of tea, like Sally suggests. I've been cutting oxylates out slowly as I was an incredibly high consumer. I've had crystals in my poop - you can actually see them! But i know they are coming out of my bile duct. Ive had boils too. Yuk! Electrolytes have helped no end. At the end of the day, Sally saved my life ❤

[@BiggieCheese45]

Great conversation, glad to see you two together. Adding to Sally, I 've noticed the most health destructive forms of oxalate foods are coincidentally the ones high in Vitamin A / Beta Carotene. Together they're a nasty duo as opposed to foods high in oxalates and low in Vitamin A. I don't think oxalate clearing isn't done by itself but the body also detoxing conversions of Vitamin A and Retinol to 13-Cis-Retinoic Acid. This is the reason why some Carnivores who were previously Largely Planted Based experience Oxalate and Hypervitaminosis A detox with burning poop that feels acidic and sweat that burns the eyes while also discoloring their clothing and sheets with yellow. Other Carnivores like Nose to Tail who eat a lot of Liver feel the Vitamin A detox coming later. Then you have carnivores who are a combination of both of these who still suffer from different Autoimmune Complications mainly through the skin to detox like Hidradenitis Suppurativa, Psoriasis, and other skin conditions. It is even more important to abstain from these foods and ensure the Liver is running well and supplied with Zinc, Selenium, Molybdenum, and Magnesium to accomplish Phase 1 and 2 Detoxification to get rid of these. Some carnivores may be depleted with some of these Minerals and will start to see old symptoms brought up again once they have their Liver working to full capacity. This is one of the trickiest and most complicated problems I have seen.

[@lucia_cossu_voiceteacher]

I am having a second huge dumping since I am earthing: a first days of changed face in favourable sense and after ten days the dumping again with both the effects of dumping and of improving parameters. I have dumping in the eyes, from some skin breakouts, bladder irritated etc. and at the same time my mobility improves, the pores in the nose disappear, peristalsis at the same time improved and eliminating, I can feel the fascial active in mobility exercises. I am slowing down with some tea, still I am surprised because I had yet cycles of dumping for two years when I got low oxalates. Here the sensation is that my fascial and lymphatic and circulation is activating by earthing. I am earthing barefoot an hour a day. Thank you for the good interview and all informations.

[@BobWillisOutdoors]

10 years to dump all the oxalates in my bones is not a pleasant thought. I fortunately started to reduce the oxalates in my diet after seeing Sally Norton in January 2022. At the end of February I had switched to pure carnivore (with the only exception of coffee).

[@anthonychaffeemd]

Well done! A lot of people are able to transition without much issue, but it is something to consider if you're having problems down the track

[@randomroses1494]

To give up all Oxalates that fast isn’t recommended, even if you don’t notice any issues.

[@denisedecker7330]

Coffee is so addicting for me. I quit three years ago and then started back about a year ago. I'm quitting again now. It made a big difference when I was off

[@denisedecker7330]

@Anon Vocal Yes, but only 4 mg. It also has a great deal of mold as the plants are very close together while growing. " Coffee Blues" is a great book on the subject.

[@trishkline6507]

@@denisedecker7330 I still have one cup a couple times a week, it’s a slow process giving that up but it matcha tea just as bad?? I will have to Google info on that

[@wrenrover]

Really great conversation particularly towards the end where Sally states that oxalate dumping can occur 3 years after going carnivore. It seems to affect some, some badly and others not at all. Sally says some folks' food history has a long tail. That's me! Back in the 90s I went on a raw food diet. Oh my ...all those oxalate rich almonds.... I must have eaten tens of thousands. The conundrum is that you want to get rid of the stored oxalates but if your body releases too much at once you can end up in more trouble than you can deal with. In other videos Sally has stated that it can take up to 10 years to clear. Oh boy. Some of us will need to find a fast lane but safe oxalate dumping strategy.

[@navy80to04]

3.5 years strick keto lots of oxalates then 1.5 years strick carnivore, when will it hit me?😮 what to do?

[@wrenrover]

@@navy80to04 Did you do dairy on your keto journey? If you did the calcium may have bonded with the oxalates and a lot may have passed out of your body already as waste.

[@Rebecca-ys3cb]

The only fast lane is Dr joe Dizpensa a work matter to matter yeah 10 years. Quantum instant.

[@jetryan624]

Her book & companion book explains how to do it more safely & less severe symptoms! You start by decreasing highest oxalates first & gradually, then medium oxalate, etc; especially those eaten in higher volume. Your body can then start breaking the oxalates back down to oxalic acid, easier for kidneys & skin to get rid of. Adding lemon to you water has citrate in it & can help prevent reabsorbing the oxalic acid; so it gets excreted less painfully.

[@pointshealthcoaching8474]

Sally is courageous to share her personal story.... we can learn from this. What she describes reminds me of the book: "the iodine crisis" - the same thing is discussed when taking iodine which in the proper dose pushes bromide / fluoride out and the person has many negative symptoms.... so, you feel worse before you feel better

[@w1975b]

Iodine, probably the most misunderstood nutrient.

[@DrKeto67]

How much iodine do you have to take? I used iodized salt but that’s it

[@w1975b]

@@DrKeto67 iodized salt is not good enough. Check out Dr. David Brownstein's info, he has a site and at least one book on iodine. Can look for videos from him also.

[@stevangelical7052]

Anecdotal. Irrelevant.

[@lesbianwars]

​@@stevangelical7052anectodes are always the start. The are relevant.

[@juanitabedingfield3821]

I so wish I had heard this before I started carnivore. I wonder if this is why I haven’t slept well?? Every carnivore KZbinr needs to say “ move into carnivore slowly because of the oxylate (sp?). Better late than never. Thanks Dr Chaffee.

[@wanderingheart9447]

I’m a week away from starting my strict Carnivore lifestyle (KetoVore is not effective enough for me), so yes, this info will be very advantageous….just in the nick of time.

[@spracejus6058]

I started cold turkey. I was fine. 6 months now.

[@susanstillwell6305]

I gave up doctors. Learning through following up on data after learning from lovely people like Dr Chaffee and Sally. Norton among many others, the doing little n=1 experiments on myself to see how it works for me, with follow up blood work to make sure things are going in the right direction. Now my health is nearly perfect, better than it had been in decades. It’s all about diet! A dash of exercise and making sure to avoid too much stress make it even better.

[@claudiaonorato4340]

I started doing calf stretch/extensions on my stairs on my sons advice. No more calf and ankle cramps at night.! No carbs for me!👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@lukesmith3283]

I just started full strict carnivore 6 days ago, beef salt and water. One of the many symptoms I’m running into is really bad cramps/Charlie horses in both of my calves around 3am every night it literally wakes me up. How long were you stretching? I’ve been suffering from cramps in my calves my whole life. But not this bad. I do run once a week for about a 2-5 mile run and after that my calves are toast. I feel I’ve been pushing my calves for a long time. Did you increase salt intake?

[@jamireed2976]

Dr berg has info on cramps from keto diet. The same thing was happeing to me, calf cramps waking me up in the night. I started taking magnesium daily, adding more salt to foods, and drinking mineral water. I havent had cramps now for months. ​@lukesmith3283

[@lukesmith3283]

@@jamireed2976 thank you, any specific amount of magnesium? Take it in the morning obviously. I’ve been drinking a lot of carbonated mineral daily for about a year. I think the magnesium may help. What the dose you use?

[@jamireed2976]

@lukesmith3283 I started adding it to my green drinks. Lmao. I got nutricost magnesium Citrate in powder form the serving size is one scoop 210 MG. If I was in pain I would use two scoops. But now, I use NOW brand, magnesium glycinate 200mg tablets one or two a day depending on how I'm feeling. I heard the body absorbs the glycinate easier then Citrate. 🤷🏼‍♀️ Hope that helps.

[@lukesmith3283]

@@jamireed2976 thank you

[@talktomenowxbmc]

For years I had some problems with my eyes, itching, some pain behind the left eyeball. Once I have changed my diet I don’t feel these symptoms, except when I have some occasional salad. It lasts couple days. I wish I knew about this many years ago.

[@no_one_211]

I agree!!! Same experience here except with my right eye. I only have symptoms when I try to eat processed food, fruits or vegetables

[@goforward123]

Got my attention when you said oxalates could come out throught the skin and the salivary glands. Started during covid so I thought that was it. But I would itch terribly along dermatones each side of the body. No meds would help. Only very hot water. It seemed to bring the blood to the surface. And my teeth were/are being coated. I'd brush them, and an hour later coated again. What I experience/d follows your description.

[@redsteedproperties2405]

Thank you for covering all of those oxalate dumping symptoms. I’ve been having some of them and didn’t realize what it was (suddenly started getting tartar and my eyes have felt like they’re glued shut some mornings).

[@punkybear1868]

Oh man, me too! I didn't realize. I thought it was from quitting supplements but I'm betting it's all of it.

[@juliegibson3987]

This is an amazing in depth understanding of why EMC or Carnivore lifestyle works and has changed so many lives. The Educational detail of this conversation is brilliant and truthful seeking I appreciate. Thank you so much! Stick to it! And Stick though it! Life is worth living well!

[@josephkeyes7800]

Everything finally makes sense! I’ve been trying to stay strict carnivore but I’ve had bouts of low blood sugar… once I almost fainted before I was able to spoon some honey into my mouth. I didn’t know oxalates cause issues with gluconeogenesis. Also, I started adding organic dairy into my diet recently and started feeling way worse.. the calcium in dairy causing quicker oxalate dumping makes so much sense! Hallelujah

[@olgakuchukov6981]

Sally is THE BEST! listening to this interview again and learning so much with every new level of understanding and experience.

[@gerisnoke4374]

I recently suffered a bout of acute kidney injury apparently due to vitamin C supplementation and high oxalate diet. The AKI is improved but I am left with CKD stage 3 apparently due to oxalate nephropathy. I do have stones, but never passed any, and never had known kidney disease before the oxalate debacle, nor any other risks factors for CKD. My nephrologist and renal dietician want me to severely limit protein intake, and esp. animal protein, stating it will make my CKD progress faster, that it is "very taxing on the kidneys". I am also advised against calcium, magnesium, potassium and salt etc. which you recommended. I love red meat and animal protein, and have become fearful of plant toxins and vitamins/supplements, but am confused what to eat. I also have chronic dysbiosis (possibly SIBO, leaky gut) with severe constipation, hypothyroidism, hyperlipidemia, and iron deficiency with all the associated symptoms. It is hard to know what is causing what, and It is quite the juggling act to address all these issues with diet simultaneously, as fixing one thing makes another worse. But my main question is about animal protein and CKD. Is it safe, or will it make CKD worse? I've been told to have a maximum of 3 oz of red meat per week. Also, as many videos as I have watched about oxalate toxicity, I have yet to find ANYONE that addresses oxalate nephropathy - stones, yes, but AKI and CKD from oxalates, no. I'm also confused about "oxalate dumping". There are some prominent kidney stone specialists online who say they have never seen this in their practice. Are there studies documenting the oxalate dumping and its correlation with symptoms? Where is the evidence showing "oxalate dumping" causing atrial fib. or electrolyte imbalance or metabolism issues and ICU visits? I'm not saying I doubt you, just would like to see the evidence. How can oxalates be measured clinically, apart from 24 hour urines? And if oxalate dumping is so common, why don't more people have oxalate nephropathy with AKI and CKD (like me), with the kidney being a primary target for oxalate damage? Is it possible oxalate dumping could cause a recurrence of the acute kidney injury on top of the already established chronic kidney disease? And, once a person has known oxalate toxicity or damage somewhere, are there a list of clinical tests that should be done to see if other tissues or systems are possibly dealing with this problem as well? Thanks so much for the discussion. I plan to buy the book.

[@stevensmith8580]

Sally is a very insightful lady. This was a very refreshing and informative conversation. Thanks

[@ronnapierson7178]

I have pre-ordered the book! I don’t want to rush time, we still have to go through Thanksgiving and then Christmas, but I am really really really looking forward to reading this! So glad to know it will be available and thank you Dr. A for interviewing Sally, I found it incredibly helpful and informative!

[@punkybear1868]

I started last December and have made no absolutes like if it's a family holiday experience I don't act like a freak but I keep my head about minimal consumption of carbs.

[@Whatthefudge27]

Great interview Dr Chaffee! Couldn’t get enough of Sally Norton’s knowledge. To say our “Health Care System” needs an overhaul is an understatement! Being couched by you, Sally and other experts should be the new health care approach. That is money well spent.

[@higheraltitudeyoga]

You weren’t cynical Dr. Chaffee you were are an independent and critical thinker. And probably way more advanced than any of these papers and professors.❤

[@dieselbourbon3728]

This explains allot. I no longer eat anything that doesn't feel right in my gut and that means feeling anything at all. I get tired of people telling me beans give me gas because my digestive system isn't used to them. Eat more and it'll get better. They've been eating beans for decades and still fart like elephants.