SaltEMike Reacts to Is the RSI Arrastra WORTH A BUY? HELL YES!

[@ERRORCODE_OO]

I agree, it is mind-blowing how much we've normalized spending money on this game.

[@blaqman25]

I i blew 1500 this week but i got 6-7 great ships

[@BlakedaBull]

Maybe I’m spoiled but I like the idea of people starting with that one ship they want. I just feel bad all the joy people avoid , pouring more hope (mines ) for things many years away .

[@doomsday9790]

​@@blaqman25 I just bought the Legatus package, best investment ever

[@TheEVEInspiration]

The Orion as a mobile mining station with support for Prospectors and Moles to offload and get serviced would be neat IMO.

[@FollowTheFreeman]

Your stone pickaxe analogy is perfect. And you are absolutely correct about the community funding aspect in regards to ship sales and marketing being prioritized. Good video man

[@Outsider5wr]

Someone In chat said A snub Miner would be cool and I agree. One that lacks a QT but could fit a single 8-12 Scu "saddlebag" to it's hull or rear frame. Land in the back of a galaxy. Perhaps by Argo? Would be nice!

[@itllBuffGaming]

I’d like to see it also be able to do gem rocks. That would be awesome!

[@0waverunner0]

Normalizing these insane prices is the issue.....and cig loves to see it....I also hate the slimy sales tactic of the q&a AFTER the sale...

[@Anonymous-m9f9j]

Mr salt out here blowing minds. Never normalise these grotesque prices.

[@TheDontletmedie]

I love how you are actually call out the madness of CIG! I also love how you told me to STFU on stream when I was watching the gameplay of salvaging and asked the question on how that gameplay was supposed to be "fun". LOL --I'm here for it @SaltEMike

[@solidsnake2665]

$150 stone pick-axe, summarizing the crowdfunded CIG model haha perfect

[@robertchandler2063]

575$ for a gold Pickaxe 😂

[@Negrossiah]

I can generate a pick axe in under 15 min. A large ship in 3d fully fuctional? Idk man?

[@gamedevcarto]

Sticking with the Orion for now, wasn't much more and the Arrastra will most likely be the loaner. Plus the Orion prolly won't be out until 2037 so I'll have plenty of time with the Arrastra before the Orion launches and prolly moves to a $1K price point.

[@dekulruno]

Orion went up again for the same exact warbond price as the arrastra during finale... lol

[@blaqman25]

I have the upgrade on standby

[@BlakedaBull]

I feel the choice is more party size , over four people Orion , arrastra is four or under . The end saving is the bucket of Money we gave Chris.

[@ViniciusConsorte]

Had a prospector as SRV loaner, gone with SRV release..... was thinking of ccuing to a MOLE..... then on RSI day the Arrastra shows up.... CCUed to it for 260..... got a mole and a prospector until it arrives, if its not good can always melt and redirect to something more useful. But yes, thinking sometimes its just nuts how much money ive put into this crap. Hope it at least bring me happy moments sometimes.

[@Leech2524]

Feel the same with my odyssey, about $1150 in and think I'm done. Does bring me happiness when I play but kinda in a slump until servers are smooth and playable

[@purplespino5742]

I CCU'D from the syulen starter pack with LTI, to an Arrastra for $415 which is great cause i was planning to spend a max of $450 for it.

[@mstrzg]

16:20 specific ships for specific situations.... this is the same problem with the racing tracks, delivery, ship combat, bunkers etc. there keep building metas instead of expanding gameplay. just for racing for example, what track does a drag racer like the razor beat an arch or lx? none that i've raced. There is honestly no point in so many ships now. I really hope they get off the meta train because i can't think of an mmo it hasn't ruined.

[@Cornerboy73]

I always thought that the Orion was going to be intended for strip mining; a certain procedure that the other smaller ships wouldn't be able to do - I recall a video where it almost made it sound like Pac Man munching through thick clusters of asteroids. That was a long time ago though and I'm sure it will be different by the time they get around to building it. I think they are going to have to revisit the Orion design though and perhaps build in a docking facility where smaller mining ships can come and drop minerals off for processing and get serviced if necessary before going back out - I don't think that was ever intended for it but a lack of any facility like that would make it seem a bit less than what this new ship brings.

[@MaverickGT92]

CIG have perfected the NFT game without too much outrage xD

[@PragmaticTornado]

I've been mostly desentitized to the ship prices for years now, but I feel they have finally gone too far now. I actually wanted this ship, and as a Concierge level backer, was prepared to open my wallet for it. But when I saw the price, I purchased a Reclaimer instead after some deliberation. Value for money is still a thing, even when it's a fancy ship JPEG.

[@Apav1x]

Got one for $215 with CCU chains. That's a lot more justifiable, within CIG's pricing standards at least. I am definitely desensitized to it because while I completely understand that it's not justifiable in the sense of spending money on a video game, I have spent way more on these discounted CCU chains than if I could only buy the ships outright for their regular price.

[@PragmaticTornado]

@@Apav1x Oh indeed, most ships can be made at least semi-affordable with a good, careful CCU chain. Problem is, I have zero patience. But I did start some CCU chains this IAE, on concept ships. I figure I'll spend the damn money anyway when the ship(s) release, so might as well get some discounts before then.

[@Casey093]

It's a 700 dollar ship, in concept. A lot of people pay as much for their whole PC, or go on a nice vacation for a week. I guess at that price point, practicality is not the main selling point. :-D

[@stepstv4466]

Rewatched the react. 100% agree. The only money I spent nowdays is for skins, if even. CIG is not seeing a cent more until the game is in a playable state.

[@mrblobby6284]

i got the Arrastra with a $10 gemini-hull C and lots of store credit

[@davewills148]

Do you what, i pulled out remembered to unmelt my ''2 Prowler to HULL D'', but ovelooked my ''gemini-hull C''?. Have contacted support, so who knows. But getting back on track, also built both an Orion/Arrastra with good savings. No CCU expert, but very pleased.

[@ThatGuyKazz]

So I agree that it is weird how much Star Citizen players have normalized spending insane amounts of money on a video game and say things like "it's worth it" because I've always said that none of these ships, absolutely 0% of them are "WORTH" anything. When people out side of the Star Citizen community talk about how SC players sound like crypto bros this is exactly the sort of thing they are talking about. The only thing that is even arguably worth the price you're paying for it is a basic game package that you need to play the game and it's important to realize even that is basically like preordering a game which I think most reasonably well informed gamers will tell you not to do. Buying anything in Star Citizen is not a cost-value proposition. It is a simple question and that question is "Do you believe in and want the vision of what Star Citizen could be enough to donate money to CIG so they can make it?" if the answer is yes cool buy a game package call it a day don't spend any more money than that you've done more than what is reasonable for CIG to even ask for. If you STILL want to give them more money to make the game then donate what you feel comfortable giving but while you do it just imagine that you are setting that money on fire instead and ask yourself if you're still ok with it if the answer is still yes cool! CIG will thank you buy giving you a free ship once the game is released. That's what you're getting. People need to stop threating it like you're buying a product and more like they are donating to development. We should think of more like you're buying a $575 dollar ticket to a sporting event that you could watch for free at home and at the game they give you a $15 T-shirt for "free" then you turn around and try to claim that T-shirt is worth $575. Like no it's not worth the price you paid to get it just because you chose to pay that price for it. The thing you are buying is the labor and man hours going into development; the ship is just the scraps that fall off the table.

[@allthatishere]

I never thought of it like that before. SC has been able to sell NFTs without the massive backlash that usually accompanies it.

[@doomsday9790]

Don't even try to argue with cult members.

[@YellowKing1986]

HELL NO. It's just a few pixels.

[@DeverSonic]

I large collection of pixels. Great value ;)

[@Apav1x]

I hope there's only a starter ship in your hangar.

[@Dumb-Comment]

Starter ship is just pixels, i hope they sell the game without giving you any ship, who needs it am I right? They should sell the game for 40 dollars and let those people be civilians and they have to earn their first ship within cities or outposts.

[@BlakedaBull]

Convincing VR meta quest 3 or a postcard , a promise and in the future years when it comes out you can buy it then . A weekend trip with your “girlfriend” or a picture .

[@YellowKing1986]

@@Apav1x No, sadly i did some additional payments over the years, but not much. Still I wasted more money on much worse projects so I don't mind. I don't feel scammed. Not yet anyway.

[@arcadealchemist]

1:10 Bigger mole? ok lets run this though MOLE is bear bones 3 mining laser 8 ore bags 96 scu total raw ore cargo. has to be refined via refinery deck or future implmentation ship like expanse can split the work load for you. copilot remote turret is maybe just defencive option while you run away., Arrastra is armed a lot more like a Gunship with a refinary deck and 3 remote mining lasers that move, as well as a tractorbeam And hanger for cargo and or a Roc Ds so we know it's at least as wide as a Carrack that plust external cargo 512scu assuming refinary pricess is gated to how fast they eject. this trumps the ORION and makes the mole obseleet but it's heavy pricewise Orion might have more defense and it will more then likley be able to suck up S M without cracking .

[@Phoenixstorm36]

I guess the Q&A will come around next week 5-6 december or something like that.

[@Mas_zeppelin]

Depends on your disposable income

[@durtyred86]

The Arrastra definitely isn't just a larger Mole, bro.. Hopefully they're trying to wait until some REAL questions are asked......Stupid questions have swarmed the spectrum, and most of them have the highest upvotes....It's ridiculous... Questions like: -Does it have heavy armor -Will we be able to remove the external cargo....TF?? -Is this a military ship -what's the difference between the Arrastra and Mole -Can we refine while we mine... Just stupid questions everywhere lol...

[@Verinia]

You will be happy to note that I also bought a new set of flight sticks alongside my space jpegs.

[@wilddoggamer6167]

They have stated that you won't be able to wear heavy armor while flying. It will be interesting to know when that revamp comes, what the MOLE operators are allowed to wear, since that big mining outfit is heavy gear (borders on extra heavy), but it protects you the most in hot and cold environments. Will MOLE operators be able to wear that, or will they be limited to different gear?

[@randlebrowne2048]

They specifically stated that heavy armor won't fit in a snub or light fighter. More open seats, like in the Mole turrets, will probably still allow heavy armor.

[@olegtryniak7528]

From laser directly to refinery - that's Odyssey as it doesn't have ore storage and takes only quantanium.

[@BegForMyMercy]

well idk, if sq42 is indeed done, and the ship teams were busy with idris, the vanduul king ship, etc. then the ship team will have more freedom to work on more ships in 2024/2025. Might not be that bad.

[@alexanderdooley4080]

This ship makes me want to go mining, and i hate mining.

[@hanns1401]

Right? Super cool looking ship, and then I remember I don't like mining.

[@TairnKA]

I feel that a ship board refinery should be less capable than a station board one and a station board refinery less capable than one on a moon or planet? The best use for a ship board refinery is to eliminate any dangerous prosperities of the material so it can be safely transported and/or produce (base) fuel for either drive? A ship with a refinery can produce low grade fuel ("Regular"), the Orion can produce medium to high grade fuel, stations, higher grade fuels, while moon and planetary based refinery's produce the highest grade of fuels, this is the same for minerals. ;-)

[@wolfgamer8770]

Bought the redeemer and 600i, got the paints for them, then immediately melted them for the arrastra and c1.

[@sabbathguy1]

I'm like what.. $60 down? After 9 years backing, very happy with my entry into the 'verse and some day earning any/all ships I want in-game.

[@Hawkeye6941]

All ship prices are usually to high, so i would recommend anyone buying those expensive ship, to CCU chain it. That what i did for this ship, got it to 280.

[@Funkm4ster96]

If you already have the store credit ( i did) i think its a great pick up for what it offers. Full warbond? no way lol

[@MannyCalaveras]

MOLE is for quick low-effort mining in high-sec space, the Arrastra is for much longer sessions in low-sec space.

[@thomasinlondon2849]

Looks attractive but I’ll upgrade my Hull-C to Arrastra later once more details emerge.

[@joopiegoldberg5091]

I struggle to see the point of mining ships for sale. When the game gets released, there are basically only two options: Mining is safe or mining is not safe. If it is safe everyone will only use the most extreme big ship. If it ia not safe, you will never ever get a XXX dollar ship on grid. Especially the ships in middle look terrible as the meta will likely never favor them.

[@BlakedaBull]

You can’t imagine the arrastra doing good money ? Even two players mining two players in terrapins scouting for threats in a dangerous mining world seems possible , but we don’t know yet what future dreams

[@GrizzySC]

I dont think there has to be a difference between the refinery on a arrastra vs a galaxy because they serve different purposes. The galaxy and expanse take bags from ships and refine the material. Where the arrastra and orion just refine the material from the lasers. The arrastra could have the same refinery stats as a galaxy and there would be zero negatives to either user

[@vik12D]

Star Citizen. Where you pre-order an elite edition of a DLC that may or may not be out in the next 5 years.

[@jollyrogerhobbies2386]

To the guy saying 2026 for the Orion. To get the Orion in game the Arrastra will need to be in game first as it is a stepping stone to the Orion because it will have mining as well as refining but on a smaller scale than the Orion. To get the Arrastra in game, The Expanse will need to be in game and working first As it is the first Player based refinery. To get the Expanse in game, complete salvaging will have to be in game or at least munching (the ability to turn pieces of scrap into raw unrefined materials) which is tentatively Q4 2023 but I'm gonna say Q1 2024. Will will not see the Expanse until minimum Q3 2024 but I'm gonna guess Q3 2025. The Arrastra could come by Q3 2026 but doubt it and the Orion? Not until 2028 minimum as Large ships like the Orion have no place in the current gameplay. Very little or no place to dock to, no large scale mining assets or other things the Orion needs.

[@USCGJAMESBENETEAU]

while i got one. I do not think people should care too much about getting one of these i feel a prospector is the best bang for buck hands down.

[@Nick-te8jo]

arent the mining lasers are supposed to move front to back along the side and the top one goes to the bottom through the ship

[@bitmau5]

I'm developing some armor for a horse, sure some people will complain about the 5 dollar price tag, but over time they will forget. 500 dollar "normalisation" for a ship is 10 standard deviations ABOVE the expected mean of return from just a decade ago. This is fucking insanity. Based on that maths, 10 years from now, 5k will be normalised in SC, and 700 bucks for Skyrim 7 will be perfectly reasonable with 70 dollar cosmetics. People in chat need to get a grip and I've lost all hope.

[@unicaller1]

Just me, but I think it will be better for 3-5 people. Beyond that separate mining, refining and cargo ships seem more efficient.

[@Winterx69]

Every time I see the ROC DS on display... I am ever more convinced they should repurpose that vehicle. They ought to do away with that mining laser and give the exterior seat a harpoon gun; have the crew hunting for Pyro Crabs and Boreal Stalkers and stuff...

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

The DS is the best argument I can think of for "the vehicle team does not play Star Citizen", whatever game that vehicle is for, I haven't played it.

[@Horkruxx]

Do you love the mole? Or do you love the design language? The Arrastra looks to good for a mining ship for me, to fency

[@ObsCure118]

A ship sale never ever ends bevor the Q&A is answers. Never....

[@Apav1x]

We have absolutely normalized the prices, but if CIG sold the cheapest ships for like $10 and the most expensive one for like $300, the game they're trying to build now wouldn't have been possible. We'd have gotten a game closer to the original pitch, but I prefer the one they're trying to achieve now even if it isn't a game quite yet.

[@Fragnatix]

The more we have gameplay loops, and more stable servers, which in return makes the game playable and thus profitable, buying ship in RL is getting obselete, which is starting to transform in a P2W scenario slowly. Watch out CIG!

[@ryanf5234]

We can ask for refunds if it's before 30 days right? So...

[@NorsePeak]

just went with the Orion, and will earn down. Arrastra will most likely be the loaner.

[@BlakedaBull]

If you’re miner hearted that makes sense ,’just friendly reminder Orion going to be hard with less Than three people it seems .

[@NorsePeak]

@@BlakedaBull hard not impossible. Plus don't forget AI.

[@papascronch]

the price doesnt surprise me tbh, its the size of a carrack and serves more functional purposes. too much in a vacuum but when compared to the rest of the shop its not that wild. also did we not see holes for saddle bags under the front bits that sit ahead of the turrets?

[@Sarsour_]

great content!

[@Orothrim]

I CCU gamed up to the Orion since I had a bunch of store credit. I'm betting that the Arrastra comes out first, and I'm thinking that it becomes a loaner for the Orion.

[@lordfraybin]

LOL.. true.. we somehow justify it. Irony being, NO other game has the same pull. But.. if you own a mole? For a few $$$, you can turn it into a Mole + Expanse + Galaxy cargo. That's tempting power creep. 😅

[@DeepStone-6]

And for gameplay loops that only exist in our heads 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@lordfraybin]

@@DeepStone-6 For sure... We've debated those loops for years.. Devs are "just now" talking about them.

[@eparock]

mike is not taking into consideration all the folks coming from SQ42 to the PU team and all the RSI assets that can be brought with them in his idea on how long it will take them to release these new RSI ships IMO.

[@zaydizzle]

mike really thinks the game would receive enough funding to finish by 45 game package lmao

[@ESC_907]

Disagree with the rock-pickaxe analogy. The Multi-Tool with the Mining Attachment is the rock-pickaxe…

[@stepstv4466]

Where is the deck layout of this concept ? Thats my question 😂

[@xm153088]

I hope this ship is "worth it"? I bought it, and I hope they advertised it as it will be, or at least close to what they showed us. I also have the Orion pledged, because I don't want to pay the future price.

[@BlakedaBull]

In the end I love how sc let’s people experiment with consumerism, so in real life we can be more firm and wise in what we buy and why. If this is that ship you start the game in , you have your little starter and this ship that is a romantic start . IMO have fun , space tomato has good perspective on this too

[@doomsday9790]

​@@BlakedaBull absolutely we should be thankful for these lessons in consumerism, if they wouldn't sell ship JPEGs I had never learned about bad investments in Real life and would run around tossing money out of the window.

[@XShadowAngel]

I bought it for $445, don't think that's too bad.

[@Nuclearsight239]

it feels really shady making it purchasable before saying what it will be like or why to have a refinery when we dont know its stats. the refinery could be good or way worse then just going to a refinery and paying the cost.

[@TheDentist09]

I’m skipping any ship this time. I rather go for a dual stick setup from virpil.

[@a.g.9964]

I ask me the same Question. Maybe to cheap to take time for an q&a

[@Horkruxx]

If the Arrastra is years away, what does this mean for the Beta? Another 10 years? The longer they meed to "finish" this game the more rework is needed... If we go Beta with 4.0 and the beta will last lets say till 2030, we will need a rework of graphics again what? 2 times?. AND nobody is talking about VR today. Chris will find features for sure...

[@davewills148]

VR's dated, Tobi 5 IS light years ahead of ole VR, the development is snails pace, expensive and bulky, every ones moved on.

[@davewills148]

Listen to Mr Grumpy, mikey your a party pooper.. PS: If you have the store credit light bulb, you have already spent the money, money is not the problem.

[@friggenbozo4495]

Some have nothing, but the otthers have OMG so much! Its killing our society. One guy can't buy milk for his family, and his neibor has enough to buy a concept ship for 500$ THEY MIGHT NOT LIVE LONG ENOUGHT TO EVER SEE.....literally. America is in a weird spot, half are dirt poor and half are buying stuff just because.... Im saving for a sabre....so im guilty too i guess......

[@matthew4031]

What does the term “loaner” mean?

[@sabbathguy1]

They sell ships that aren't ready, so they give you a "similar" ship that already exists, until they can give you the actual ship.

[@matthew4031]

@@sabbathguy1Ah! ty! Is there a reason I have an Avil Arrow in my hanger? Never bought one and I have all my ships.

[@sabbathguy1]

@@matthew4031 Sorry no idea! I think you might be able find out where / when that came from under your account info on the website, unless you've already looked there.

[@BazyG]

Your stone pickaxe is multitool ,lol

[@Casey093]

"It will gain so much value." GOOD LORD! Just because the seller puts a bigger number on the price label does not give it any value. In 5 or 10 years, when/if the game actually releases, anyone who enjoys mining will work for a few months and buy one ingame. The value he tries to imply here does not exist, and you are not making a bargain by buying it today, when the price will increase in the future. What a stupid thing to say... sorry, but I cannot say it any nicer.

[@olivierpelletier9643]

Find it weird that people are agreeing with you.. The entry level of that "pickaxe" as you say isnt 150$. Its the smallest pledge with a Mining multi-tool....you DID say entry into mining. Seriously some of the shit you come up with annoys me as fuck sometimes. Be salty as you can be but at least keep to the facts. To take your "analogy", you start with a silly stone pickaxe (multi-tool) and mine copper, eventually upgrading to a copper pickaxe (ROC) and mine iron, upgrading to an iron pickaxe (Prospector) etcetc. Thats how they made it to work.

[@felixsanchez7090]

These prices are insane mike. We buy the game for 45 spend a little time actually playing the game and you can get in these hundred dollar ships it's a huge gimmick. AND THEY DON'T FULLY WORK. I can write you a book of bugs from years old ships but they will sell like hotcakes why do that when it's going to leave you behind when you qt ruining your 3 hr session now you have to go to bed with shit in your mouth and your money in these clowns pocket

[@taujin]

Morphologis made a nice video on large ships, it somewhat justifies the absurd price increases of large ships. There's no way you're operating a big ship solo, you would want to play with your buddies and AI npcs. StarCitizen has always leaned towards "Crew" play. What doesn't make sense is why would you want to buy a large ship if you're the only one that's going to play in it. Other than flexing your cash. We can all agree the marketing model this game built on works so well.

[@ZevesG]

you will own nothing and youl be happy, GIT GUD and rent a prospector.

[@BigBobBlazer]

Idk wtf you're complaining about the Arrastra's price when the $2000 ship sold out in less than 60 seconds. And you don't HAVE to buy them. Most will be in-game purchases eventually. But people like the idea of "owning" the ships the drool over. Personally, I regret buying ships in some ways because going from zero to hero is so much more fun. But the real tragedy here is that CIG is shameless. I told everyone that the jump points in the IAE patch were to drive up hype just before IAE to sell ships, not because they were about to give us Pyro. And what did we learn at the recent ISC? They are still nowhere near to releasing Pyro, maybe not even next year. On top of that, the game is as buggy as it's ever been. Nothing's changed. Still one system. Still bugs everywhere. Still can't refuel/repair half the time. When a developer isn't accountable to a publisher, you can get a lot more awesome things. But you also get very little accountability and an extremely slow development rate. CIG has no reason to hurry. They're getting all the money they need. 5-6 years to develop a second system? Do you honestly think you'll even see 50 out of the 100 systems in your lifetime? I highly doubt it. Even if adding personnel speeds up development time by 3x, you still wouldn't get 50 systems until about 150 years later. That's insane.

[@Katzh]

expensive yes, got mine for 380$ tho'. thanks to the magic of warbonds ccu :) that's cheaper than a redeemer, I'm happy. definitly worth it as a ship, looks cool, it's functional, it's efficient. I still wonder why so many people are so hyped by the Carrack, which is the same size as the Arrasta, but think the Arrasta isn't worth it? so far, what I expect from "exploration" ship, like the Carrack, it's a scanning simulator. and honestly the scanning is still one of the worst mechanic in the game, and I don't see how much more things you'll get to do with an explo ship. at least with an Arrasta you can always do some mining on the way, and refine while you continue you road. also the ship looks soooooooo freaking good.

[@justhere2travel]

Orion 1000+ ez.... doubt that and you're drunk/crazy

[@mdsf01]

Actually the Prospector is $155. I recoiled at the prices of ships in Star Atlas..... Starting to think the same thing about ships in SC. Here we are spending serious money on make believe ships while people go hungry not in some distant country but in North America.

[@hawkzulu5671]

Other option is you can spend $45 dollars on a starter pack and buy the rest of that fleet in game.

[@tropicthndr]

The brochure is is such a piece of garbage, no one knows anything about what the ships capabilities are.

[@3556df44]

Is it worth a buy?? erm no that is dumb as you will be able to buy it in game.......

[@ned272]

Mf says the mole is bad comparing it to a CONCEPT. Plz tell dude to stfu lol