Sam Seder & Emma Vigeland EXPOSED As White In Fierce Debate

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[@Juhz0r]

I've regularly watched the Majority Report for over a year, but after finding out that Sam and Emma are white, I'll have to reconsider if I want to keep watching. Thank you to this caller for exposing them.

[@AltheHealer]

Devastated 😖

[@staff4226]

Who's Sam? The guy who got exposed is San Seder.

[@lvli044]

Sam isn't white. San is.

[@x-xPhobia]

My heart can't take it

[@x-xPhobia]

​@@lvli044 lol can't tell if you're a white supremacist that thinks Ashkenazi Jewish people aren't white or if the title said "San Seder" lol

[@TheMonrrou]

As a blind man, the news that both Sam and Emma are both white breaks my heart.

[@herec0mestheCh33f]

F

[@matthewmayton1845]

Now I have the image of Godfather II when Michael tells Fredo, "You broke my heart."

[@FreeTempest]

Stay strong, fellow alternatively-sighted comrade

[@brawlinharry6461]

your singular focus on the experience of a blind MAN is unacceptable. you are glossing over the experiences of black disabled trans blind women.

[@FreeTempest]

@@brawlinharry6461 sorry we didn't see them

[@TRUE-XLVgaming]

"Y'all take care, keep being white" -The most Hotep caller ever.

[@HarryDirtay]

Easy there, they don't have the power so bigotry is fiiiine, it's fiiiiiiine😂 no possible negative consequences of wholesale belief in bigoted ideology, it's fiiiiiiiiiiine.😂😂

[@emanuellandeholm5657]

This is an violent idealistic person who has painted themselves into corner. There's no sane, rational or pragmatic way to accommodate for firebrands like these. Drunk off their own perceived power, narcissistic, never ready to cede anything nor accept any compromise. These people are dangerous because they can amass followers who look up to perceived "strong men/women". Their language is that of force and patriarchy.

[@JamusChristus]

As a Hotep, I approve that comment.

[@themoops4006]

Oh NO! San Seder what a f**king nightmare!

[@Kim6roSlice]

“I had no idea this was gonna happen!”

[@TheReturnOfBloodyJack]

Lmaooo classic

[@neruneri]

What a *white*mare 😏

[@jaybennet4491]

I cannot not hear that in Crowder's panicked shrill 😂

[@bruteslayer7208]

Looks like we're gonna have a bad time

[@MarkArandjus]

I can't believe Sam and Emma went full mask off and advocated turning Gaza into a parking lot. I'm shook.

[@burkles4456]

Really chilling when Sam said, “we should just glass them all”.

[@Nerobyrne]

What if the entire world was one giant parking lot? 🤔

[@kettelbe]

​@@Nerobyrnea better place for you and for me and the entire human race minus Palestinians. 😂

[@ratofthecity6351]

@@Nerobyrneare we not all citizens of the world parking lot?

[@Nerobyrne]

@@ratofthecity6351 Well, the health care is probably better than in America, anyway ^^ Certainly cheaper.

[@samnabawy2731]

As a Plstinin, I support a ONE state solution, a democratic state, doesn't matter the name, you can call it DSIP, the Democratic State of IS and PL. Removing anyone who has been there for decades is not a plausible or a viable option. Its not 1948. There are people who were born there and it is not their fault that their fathers or grand fathers were colonizers. I also support the right to return for Plstnin refugees. That guy is, as Sam said it, not in touch with reality.

[@ASDeckard]

I've always been a fan of the Sheldon Cooper system: just re-settle everyone to northern Mexico that doesn't want to keep fighting.

[@hughquigley5337]

@@ASDeckard What the actual fuck is the Sheldon Cooper system? Why is it named that? Why northern Mexico? I have so many questions.

[@hughquigley5337]

This is a 10/10 take. I wholeheartedly agree my friend

[@tonybanks1035]

Israelis are a little risk averse (understandably), so they'll wait to see a functional muslim\arab democracy before they lend themselves to this risky experiment.

[@hydrogen3266]

There’s also the idea that people aren’t their government. It’s clear that this regime is extremely authoritarian and doing genocide. This isn’t what a lot of Israelis want either. There are for sure extremists, don’t get me wrong, but this caller seems to imply the idea that every single “white” or Jewish Israeli is prejudiced and actively participating in this, which isn’t true either. There are so many people in this region who just want peace

[@kcblazkowicz7773]

The dude was definitely anti semetic. The forced laugh was really cringy.

[@nathanpapp432]

The guy is a blatant racist and Sam is spineless for indulging his nonsense.

[@rubymeaddle]

It's really sad how many antisemites have taken over the pro Palestine cause

[@lrwsf1]

European Jews are not Semitic people. You are cringy

[@Notmyname1593]

Seems to be anti white as well. Who knows who else he is racist toward.

[@BloodyJoker234]

Yeah sadly as a black man the black community is so ignorantly anti semitic it’s disgusting

[@frankgrabarz1727]

San Seder is one of my favorite podcasters. Not to be confused with Sam Seder of the Majority Report

[@VCV95]

Sans Seder keeps you from completing the genocide route but for real

[@hopeiswherethehomeis9606]

I am now Sans Seder go into my eye

[@PittsburghSonido]

Lmao stopp

[@lostonearth7856]

But he's white.

[@masterplusmargarita]

He's been sainted in Spain for good reason, his podcast goes hard.

[@bossman6798]

Calling Sam a settler in this context is the same as calling all white people colonizers I think.

[@ihsahnakerfeldt9280]

This is precisely what the caller did though.

[@senseidryan]

aka the Professor Flowers Theory

[@toedrag-release]

...y'all are colonizers

[@BlackBirdSweep]

​@@toedrag-releasemy balls are going to colonize your mouth.

[@owen_mania]

@@toedrag-release?

[@PackRunner3]

Definitely anti Semitic. He insisted on Sam being a settler among other things but also saying "not even Sam is pulling this" just kinda drove the final nail for me

[@ihsahnakerfeldt9280]

Nah sorry that's a really bad argument. If person X accuses you of being bigoted against group A which person Y (but not person X) belongs to, there's nothing peculiar or alarming about underlining the ridiculousness of that accusation (from your perspective) by pointing out that even person Y doesn't think so, because we would normally expect people to be more offended by bigotry directed against their own group. You might think it's a bad argument to say "hey this person belonging to the group doesn't think it's bigoted so that shows it's not" but acting like this somehow proves the person is bigoted is not justified imo. The caller might well be an antisemite, but this call hasn't shown that to be the case in any convincing way imo.

[@PackRunner3]

@ihsahnakerfeldt9280 I think that's fair and I don't disagree with your logic. These are situations to where we have to draw a lot of assumptions off tones and energy as well. Empirically I can't prove this person's views. However they didn't pass my personal smell test. There were too many cues in my book that they hold some views. That on top of the general anti white comments. Part of that induction comes from me having dealt with ppl who express those words, uses, and patterns having ended up being anti semites more often than not as well. I'll put it this way, they didn't give me anything to really argue that they weren't an antisemite (on some level) either.

[@puckerings]

@@ihsahnakerfeldt9280 Sure if you ignore the way in which he called out Sam and Norm Finkelstein specifically. You can ignore that if you like, but his choices of example and tone made it pretty clear.

[@kylegonewild]

@@ihsahnakerfeldt9280 Nah, you can smell the smug antiwhite antisemitic energy wafting off this loser from a mile away. Their choice of words, choice of comparisons, speech pattern, forced laughter, and unwillingness to commit to anything on their end and spend all their time grilling someone else makes it pretty obvious. Unserious people who go around using the terms settler and colonizer like they have no meaning and is just a substitute for white. Professor Flower's approach strikes again. No respect for indigenous people, they're just a cudgel to bash over the heads of whitey and the jews who are all settlers and colonizers purely by nature of birth relation to generations dead perpetrators.

[@sabin97]

to be fair, being "antisemitic" is bring pro-human. so that's what anyone with any decency will be.

[@gavriloking5637]

The caller wanted a fight with people that 99% agreed with him 😂

[@MulkeyBlueQuartet]

Hotep hoedown

[@usef099]

I love when Emma defended Sam!! If you hate Israel because it’s an apartheid ethnic state like we leftist do, you would not advocate for a reverse apartheid state unless you don’t hate the system but the people themselves!! Secondly, historically most ethnic groups came originally as settlers!! If you are with moving out the people who there ancestors were settlers in Israel, you should also advocate for the same thing to happen in Spain, Istanbul, North America and the list goes on… this is not only unpractical, but also morally bankrupted!! Why the people who born in Israel have to take the consequences of their ancestors settlers??!

[@danl7442]

When did the caller suggested reverse apartheid??

[@theodorevibritannia7988]

As an ESL teacher, it's "impractical", not "unpractical". Other than that, I agree with what you have said.

[@Orverge]

Settler refers to specifically a participant of a program run by Israel that steals Palestinian land and homes. It isn't historical, it's an ongoing crime.

[@usef099]

@@theodorevibritannia7988 English is my second language, I am bad at it😢

[@usef099]

@@danl7442 He wasn’t satisfied when Emma suggests the solution of one democratic secular country for all people, Palestinians and Israeli. meaning he doesn’t want everyone to be equal in one state, but to give certain groups more rights and privileges than other groups, and thats is reverse apartheid state.

[@wyattbenett4221]

So proud to be a settler in the Emmajority Military.

[@davebicycle9045]

elite comment

[@deviouskris3012]

At least it will have a solid baseball team. Emma will not tolerate anything less.

[@edp3202]

​@@deviouskris3012not Princess.

[@AltheHealer]

EXPOSED AS WHITE is a legendary title!

[@broadcastbard]

For fuck... hearing people equating "settler" with "European" is like hearing people say "zionist" means "jew". Historically peoples migrated everywhere again and again, whether or not there were already people there. Look at the post-Ainu settlers of Japan, the Roman settlements of Brittain, the countless little wars between tribes taking and losing land. Humans have been doing it forever, not that it's moral or ethical. Humans evolved in southern Africa and you can't call eternal dibs on areas of dirt.

[@negationf6973]

Worth noting that at least 50% of Israel's Jewish population is not of European Jewish origin.

[@davidradtke160]

Yup….unless your African living in Africa…your settler colonialist…and even then mostly they are still settler colonialists.

[@WASDLeftClick]

England was conquered by Norman French guys and subsequently the nobility became very French and the English language became very Latinized. They proceeded to perfect this technique against the Irish and Scots before doing it all over the world lmao.

[@ArDeeMee]

„Unless you‘re African living in Africa“ That’s a CONTINENT. That African might be a Ugandan living in Namibia. An Egyptian living in Congo. That’s ALL Africa, technically speaking. (Countries randomly selected, I have no f-ing clue which countries have beef with each other.)

[@AceofDlamonds]

I don't like the play on words there either, but it's an undeniable fact that Israel since the 1940s has taken in millions of European Jews. European Jews are predominantly European in blood, that's just fact. The fact that Nazis sometimes had trouble distinguishing between full Europeans and Jewish Europeans with metric criteria proves that. But an often ignored tidbit is the fact that the entire Levant region has a fair bit of Western Hunter Gatherer ancestry, so you see Palestinians who look classically European as well. Arabs don't have to look like Osama bin Laden, in fact he is a minority, a dark Yemeni. Most Arabs are lighter and more Caucasoid than he is. And there's nothing wrong with portraying Jesus as "white".

[@jamisonw.327]

Some how I don't expect Sam and Emma to receive the same backlash over them not agreeing with the Professor Flowers approach to apartheid that Vaush does.

[@PackRunner3]

Reality is disappointing isn't it :/

[@hungryfatkid93]

Guys like this make any form of productive dialogue fucking IMPOSSIBLE.

[@WASDLeftClick]

He’s just too damn mad to think straight on this.

[@Lock484]

​@@WASDLeftClick and smug. Toxic level of smugness, the constant interrupting and fake derogatory laughs at any counterarguments, very punchable - in Minecraft 😩

[@sunnijo]

@@Lock484whenever I hear a debater fake laugh, I immediately disregard everything they’re saying. The caller was the personification of insufferable.

[@Lock484]

@@sunnijo yes, plus some of rhese people are crazy. I remember vaush covering some of these black power types of people, and they are much closer to the fascists on the political spectrum, they basically believe in ethnic cleansing, just against white people 🙄😂, and let me tell you, listening to this guy... If the conversation was longer, I wouldn't be a one bit surprised if it turned out he was a fan of Louis Farrakhan 😂, the way he talked about Sam 😂

[@RatPfink66]

"I'm answering. I'm answering. I'm answering. I'm answering. I'm answering. I'm answering. I'm answering. WILL YOU SHUT TF UP I'M ANSWERING."

[@gustavchambert7072]

Oh man! I absolutely LOVE it when "leftists" gesture vaguely in a direction that can be interpreted as apartheid, get incredibly offended when called on it and then snicker vacuously when asked what their actual solutions would be. It suuuuch a great look.

[@starlightxfury1256]

umm it's actually Seder-san

[@itsmarinah]

W comment

[@zacg_]

You know, it's about time Sam gets a Professor Flowers call. That's what the world has been needing.

[@hughquigley5337]

YES

[@davidschrauwen1536]

Please lord no

[@richardarriaga6271]

​@@davidschrauwen1536Too many people like her. The left needs to confront people like her.

[@cyber_pirate]

another advocate outed as white 😔

[@Nerobyrne]

Must be a nest somewhere

[@sidneydavidson993]

Sad day

[@_vcctv_]

MJR is always a cozy vibe even when stuff like this happens

[@rdg7250]

Still fell off

[@_vcctv_]

@@rdg7250 nah

[@truant6910]

​@@rdg7250 no u

[@TBLIVIN]

Too dry for me as Emma pointed out is often true on Pool's thing.

[@Fruitboots25]

​@@rdg7250 Right, if you ignore the marked increase in subscriptions and view counts on their videos over the last few years, they totally fell off! Literally the opposite of what you say is occurring, but don't let that stop you from doing dumb shit like posting this comment.

[@mikeyfisher4256]

Same & Emma are white? Huge if true.

[@SpeakingJargon]

Many people? You'd better believe they're saying this.

[@JeanLucPicard85]

Concerning.

[@lilben4184]

It kinda would be huge tbh. Seder is a tinyhat, therefore not White.

[@truant6910]

Wow

[@freedomofmusic2112]

!

[@vicapple6663]

While Sam was debating libertarians, caller studied the blade

[@franklyqueso]

Sam Seder can kick San Seder's ass..

[@marsfalcon9250]

I'm putting all my coin on Sam Seder winning that one.

[@OhNotThat]

Sam Seder from Bob's Burgers is white? I need to boycott the show now.

[@redpillwoman9785]

Why?

[@Elysium_the_Bard]

San Seder appears before Steven Crowder... "You feel like you re gonna have a bad time." Also we can't forget Emmavigelania backing San Seder up.

[@embrikchloraker8186]

You felt your divorce crawling down your back.

[@TheOblivionMan]

San Seder? The skeleton guy from that one video game people on the internet act totally normal about?

[@xpirate16]

No, that's Sans Eder. No relation.

[@WhatDreamsMayCome10Z]

@@xpirate16 Uncle Ruckus no relation. 🤣

[@purplepotatoes9255]

Thoughts and prayers fellas. Never know they were melanin-deprived 😢😢😔😔🙏🙏

[@Grace-tg4oy]

There is an implication in the beginning that if Israel is democratic it would still be settler colonialism, like the caller believes middle east people are biologically hardwired to be authoritarian.

[@look4lec]

Whoever in chat said "Sam is a settler as he did settle his divorce" I mean it's like a heh not a hehe and definitely not a lol.

[@ihsahnakerfeldt9280]

Imo lol is the mildest of the three. Lol is barely a smile at this point.

[@cookies23z]

I feel you, its like: lol, haha, HAHA, holy shit im dying, and not even responding because you are laughing too hard

[@Fruitboots25]

lol just means "i'm not being sarcastic" at this point and nothing else

[@stinkybutt42069]

He's saying Sam is a settler because he's of European descent living in North America. The caller has heavily hinted multiple times that he doesn't want non natives in others' lands. He's doing the who ethnostate bs but thru the left rather than the right

[@superiorgundam]

I think that Emma and Sam knew what the caller was getting at, but wanted them to explain it himself. Vaush I'm surprised he didn't immediately pick up that's what the caller was insinuating. Also people like the caller certainly exist and are ridiculous.

[@ashleydavis3318]

Nah... I think there's about a 50/50 chance between that and him just calling Sam a settler because he is jewish.

[@javiervalenzuela8284]

That's funny. So where do mexicans who aren't part of a tribe in mexico go? Like bro, they don't always look like their european ancestors especially in places not the US where theh really intermingled a lot.

[@freedomofmusic2112]

I can't believe i never noticed it before. And to think, this whole time i thought Sam was Haitian and Emma was Puerto Rican 😔

[@Hawkwood96]

Same.

[@MOME914]

There are white Haitians and Puerto Ricans

[@akgfilming]

NOOOOOOOO IM BLIND AND THOUGHT THEY WERE Good also, sans eder

[@Iban-Underground]

I unironically clicked this thinking it was a majority report video. God dammit Vaush.

[@maxsmart9116]

Me too lol

[@sensualeye]

Same

[@tonicmom11]

Ditto! 😂 but I stayed because I love Vaush!🍀

[@mvslice]

Saw this live. Was absurd

[@thenewmase]

Also you can stop being rich and/or stop exploiting the poor to get wealthy. You can't stop being an ethnicity or change your skin color

[@joshuawall2590]

The guy would say white is a mindset probably.

[@mannyrivera6399]

Being called a fascist by campists and a communist by fascists is my political sweet spot

[@dnr-vs1lk]

Edertale is my favorite AU. Sans eder is definitely the best sans.

[@briartreecross]

This guy calling in is unbearable even if we might want similar peaceful results.

[@itsmarinah]

I feel like he called in to feel superior rather than to engage in good faith.

[@user-rc3pk4xy6r]

He specifically said he wanted to use violence. Doesn’t sound very peaceful

[@seanransom6227]

San Seder: exists Roe Jogan: finally, a worthy opponent!

[@eliashe1797]

Little Rock nine was also a part of the civil rights movement, a fruition of it, which was one of the most violent periods in American history.

[@PaddeeBA]

God, I know this cope laughing is common with people like this, as Vaush explained, but there's something about his laugh in particular that's just so punchable

[@thaenaa]

comic sans seder (affectionate)

[@lukeross2227]

This San Seder guy seems cool

[@Lean_Dankr]

Wasnt he in a game or something?

[@t-o-m-m]

Reminds me of a Bob's Burgers character for some reason

[@bgoodnow]

I wish these types would stop invoking North American indigenous peoples. They have no connection to that struggle, and do not have the capacity to speak about these issues in a nuanced and responsible way. This is Professor Flowers nonsense all over again. 😩

[@corranhorn85]

I feel like a lot of people like this who only accept the most radical propositions for change are as much rooted in the status quo as any conservative. Their entire political life is defined by only advocating for an impossible degree of change and nothing in between here and there. Whereas, at the very least, an incrementalist does advocate for real change and you can scale your increments to the political realities of the situation.

[@Fusseliko]

More immediately, they never seem to recognize that their radical proposal takes a shitton of incrementalist work to even get to. These types always point at direct action as the thing to do, but direct action is stuff like mutual aid, community organizing and protests. All of these are ultimately incremental measures, aimed at slowly gaining popularity for a political movement. I can easily imagine an even more smug version of themselves scoffing at the efforts of those activists. If ushering in global communism was as easy as just picking up a rifle and getting to it, we would've had it a century ago.

[@itsmarinah]

100% yes

[@akgfilming]

my take on the "solutions" thing is that a two state solution is probably more likely and we'll probably see it fairly soon, like in the next few years-decades probably after netanyahu's out but may end up being thoroughly unremarkable but i think a one state solution if done right (and not either of the genocidal options) could be an absolute beacon for human rights in the region but would require so much management to reduce things like hate crimes

[@itsmarinah]

Honestly I used to think that, but now I don’t actually believe that Palestinians will ever be free until there’s a one state solution. As long as there’s an Israel-Palestine border, there’s money to be made testing weapons and a brown enemy over the wall for the Israelis to be propagandized against. I think it has to be a single, democratic government with constant international judicial oversight at first.

[@christophergreen6595]

Doing a 2-state solution at this point would require forcibly moving several million violent religious settlers. In a couple more decades, there won't BE any Palestinian landowners anywhere in the West Bank.

[@kardoxfabricanus7590]

Sans Seder the boss you have to fight in the no mercy route. (I'm commenting this here before they change this back, basically video title had a spelling error, which Is just funny xD)

[@will_from_pa]

BadEmpanada fan spotted

[@salutic.7544]

I’m fucking crying “keep being white” 😭😭

[@MulkeyBlueQuartet]

Its dead ass the same as "stay black" lmao "I don't really have a fucking choice!?" Lol

[@ThompsonFlash9999]

​@@MulkeyBlueQuartet well, don't let Rachael whatever her name was know that

[@MulkeyBlueQuartet]

@@ThompsonFlash9999 idk a Rachel, but I'd tell them anyways, lol

[@ThompsonFlash9999]

@@MulkeyBlueQuartet Dolezal

[@Ihatemyusernamemore]

Uh oh is this guy another Professor Flowers FD Blitler?

[@justinharris2320]

F.D.? Is that another bad black person Vaush doesn't like?

[@fjordojustice]

What is this strange combination of words you're throwing together here?

[@naeroled]

@@fjordojustice he basically saying he's Black.. they have to use all sorts of euphemisms to filter underlying racial bias

[@h8uall66]

@@naeroled FD Blitler is a reference to a specific person, FD Signifier. Blitler meaning "Black Hitler" and is meant as a criticism of his stance on decolonization. Professor Flowers is a reference to... Professor Flowers.

[@beneroni8345]

​@@naeroledI'm sorry you have such a low opinion of black people.

[@Pluveus]

Dude was not expecting the UNO reverse card of "What do you mean 'you people'?"

[@JPH1138]

I feel like the guy's whole point was just to phone in and prove he was better than Sam and Emma. And I'm not saying that to be dismissive - when he tries to break down WHY he called in, that is literally all it sounds like. Like Sam asks what he is promoting, and he says 'I wanted to point out that you are redefining what anti-Zionism means' (or words to that effect) and chiding them for their 'Eurocentric' worldview. I feel like this guy might be a BadEmpanada fan because it sounds pretty similar to the way he talked to LonerBox in their shouting match/debate.

[@nateb7638]

How far back do the retaliatory displacement and reverse uno apartheid folks want to go? Should we cram the entire human population into Ethiopia and then DNA test for sufficient Neanderthal DNA to go to Europe and sufficient Denisovan DNA to go to Asia?

[@jakecreighton9039]

That’s my questions too. The logical conclusion of their argument is pretty absurd. I think what they want is to rewind the civilizational diaspora until their ethnic group was in a position of power? Because even before Palestinians as we know them today were in Gaza there were earlier Semitic peoples whom they violently displaced. Same with native Americans. And underlying these arguments is the intrinsic assumption that races and ethnicities need to be separated and can not coexist in a society together.

[@nateb7638]

@jakecreighton9039 yeah, the assumption of separation is why I go to the extreme conclusion of ancestral hominid DNA because thats the furthest back you can go. There's an uncomfortable amount of diabolism going on, you'd think some folks think colonialism is a genetic trait. I feel like even saying "the only step of history you can take is the next one" would get an accusation of being a lib from these folks.

[@Grace-tg4oy]

The Richard Dawkins anti colonial paradigm: Everyone not living in the African Steppe is a colonizer. Send all 8 billion people to Botswana. There is nothing wrong with this. I am very smart.

[@SteveScapesYT]

I really wish there’d be a conversation between Matt Lech and Vaush. I think it could be the best big brained convo about socialism in the modern context- but my guess it can’t happen because Vaush is the biggest drama lightning rod on the left, and Matt (Griscom and Brooks when he lived too) is like the ultimate practitioner of broad solidarity, empathy to all parts across the left.

[@der_metzgermeister]

Minor spelling mistake

[@TOM_101]

It does look like a three year old wrote that. Lol

[@jordanwolff5243]

Not many of you know this, but 13:30 is one of the best Vaush moments ever. Really, listen to it.

[@itsmarinah]

Agreed 😂😂😂😂

[@hughquigley5337]

Can the real San Seder please stand up?

[@XXLpinut]

I would have hang up the phone with a caller like this. Probably early in the call. What a pointless conversation.

[@09mrhardabs]

Oh that Sander

[@papasherbert4362]

I love how the laugh is a dead give away of "I don't have a proper way to rebuttal this"

[@rosestrohm7986]

It's never good when the caller sounds like fucking Socko from Bo Burnham's Inside

[@xpirate16]

Finally! We can accept Emma and Sam as allies to the white cause!

[@hughquigley5337]

lmfao STOP

[@Painocus]

So Israeli Jews that moved there from Africa and other parts of the middle-east? Are they not settlers because they are not white or are they actually white because they are settlers? American 'leftists' try not to impose frameworks that only make sense in the US on the rest of the world challange. Reminds me I stumbled upon some cursed discourse where some Americans were debating if the the princesses from Frozen should be played by Sami or "white" actors in a live action version. With one side saying the reveal only works if they "look white". Imagine talking on behalf of a minority on the other side of the world and not even knowing what members of that minority look like.

[@nicolas4601]

Absolutely, and fellashas, for instance, are victims of abject racism from fellow Jess also. (Ashkenazi Jess, sefarad Jess, etc..) It's a 5 or 6 tiers society, where Fellashas are just one step over Palestiniens.

[@d3nza482]

Stop the genocide of Disneyan princesses!

[@SanguineThor]

Sans Sedar from undertale?

[@SBRS47]

When Emma hosts the show on Thursdays it's Sans Seder

[@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770]

Oh no I thought they were black.

[@mogscugg2639]

Sam O'Seder and Emma O'Vigeland

[@LarryLopez91]

Me too. Turns out I had the inverted colors on

[@DMoneyTaz15]

This recontextualizes all those hard R’s they have dropped over the years

[@mogscugg2639]

All 2,303,812 wowie

[@itsmarinah]

😂😂😂

[@markborok4481]

55% of Israeli Jews are non-European. They are also the main base of support for the far right, ultranationalist parties. Ben Gvir's parents were Iraqi and Kurdish Jews, for example.

[@MuscIeBomber2021]

This is just Professor Flowers 2: Electric Boogaloo

[@kevinthecat9704]

i don't know if I can tolerate sam's behavior anymore. I feel betrayed and violated. No one should ever hide being white in hopes that no one would find out the sad truth.

[@tan5taafl]

Lol. This poor caller thinks he's playing a board game. And yes is divorced from reality.

[@brody7714]

I remember this call on the livestream. This dude was actually insane. It left my jaw on the floor.

[@alessandrorona6205]

I spoke to someone like the guy in the past: he seems to know everything, your assertion are always wrong even if he's operating on an entirely theoretical level were everything that his solution involved works and leads to a better solution and when you point out that his system is entirely theoretical he would be able to respond but instead he would move the goalposts. It was exhausting having a conversation with that person.

[@curve_stomped1508]

Theres a moment in here where Sam kinda sounds like Charlie from It's always sunny

[@edp3202]

You're right. 😅

[@studioofshred1050]

I usually like my MR clips to have Seder, guess this one will be san Seder but I'll give it a shot

[@thejackal007]

Buzzwords and sophistry often go hand in hand.

[@wyldweasel4746]

I didn't know that Sans from Undertale had a podcast with Emma Vigeland

[@polyticks8453]

The insecurity of this caller bleeds through every single time they do that nervous laugh.

[@HandOfVecna1188]

I can't believe this. How could they.

[@theflaggeddragon9472]

Saint Seder! Lets gooo

[@NankitaBR]

Pegasus Meteor Fist!!!

[@Yso_Bruce]

This caller probably watched Professor Flowers before debating Sam and Emma.

[@francisburns281]

All this time I just thought it was my monitor’s brightness setting. This is embarrassing.

[@MegaBanne]

After watching this I looked at my own hands and realized something, I might be white... OH NO!

[@Hawkwood96]

How could you!?

[@MegaBanne]

@@Hawkwood96 I dono, I guess I need to oppress some people of color now. You know, seeing how I am a settler now.

[@Nahte-uno]

This dude was trolling he wasnt from no black power media. Black people dont use the phrase white Genocide...😅 especially over 10 times in a conversation.

[@Beavs_POV]

idk why we waste our time on subjects they'll never ever happen when all it does is give our opponents ammo

[@joyhaig1286]

I listened to this conversation and the caller was simply a troll. His smug laughing, showed he just wanted attention, regardless of how he got it. At the end of the day, he does nothing as he sits in mom’s basement to make a real difference in the world.

[@testboga5991]

What would keep the Palestinians from killing Jews in a common state?

[@MohammedAli-hl4mr]

The same thing that prevents Israelis from doing it Palestinians today. Both groups already live and work together but the divisive conflict makes them distrustful of each other and uncomfortable. A democratic system with checks and balances with good faith dialogue and without usa involvement could bring about equality and brotherhood between both groups.

[@wi11i6m]

Carlos Pena: totally not European colonist name

[@ihsahnakerfeldt9280]

Sam was WAAAY too lenient with this guy.

[@Ellipsi184]

Why do you dismiss womens issues

[@Cyrinil142]

*We will never escape the Professor Flowers discourse.*

[@happilyeggs4627]

It would result in 2 billion people living in the UK.

[@AgitpropPsyop]

Dude called in with a bad faith argument, an incredibly unpopular one at that, and snickered to himself the whole time like he’s owning these leftists that would otherwise be on his side

[@Othropingu]

Minor spelling mistake Damn they fixed it, now I look stupid

[@ASwagPecan]

Caller’s Twitter screen time has to be triple digits

[@averagevaushenjoyer2088]

Minor spelling mistake ☝️

[@Alpha1200]

Unpopular opinion among most of the left, I guess, but I don't recognise the distinction between "settler" and "indigenous" beyond the first generation. As in, if you literally come into a territory violently and take someone's land then you are a settler. But if you're the great grandchild of someone who did that then you are not. For me it's really much simpler: There's a piece of land. There's people on it. And I want those people to live healthy and happy lives no matter where their ancestors lived or what they did. The Israelis who live on that land deserve to live there just as much as the Palestinians as far as I'm concerned. But, you know, the Palestinians should have equal rights and there should be wealth redistribution between them.

[@FelisImpurrator]

Absolutely correct and the only leftist opinion* Fixed that for you, this is based.

[@MohammedAli-hl4mr]

This is common, not unpopular at all advocacy on behalf on natives dosent mean persecuting white people does anymore than blm

[@toedrag-release]

​@@MohammedAli-hl4mrWhy not? White people didn't give natives any rights until they became the dominant majority in a land that wasn't theirs after butchering them for hundreds of years which is what's happening to Palestinians. America was only possible through ethnic cleansing of native Americans which is what Israel is doing.

[@MohammedAli-hl4mr]

@@toedrag-release treaties signed can be honored and money should be given not as a hand out but as reparation to the actual damage of colonialism such as helping to preserve native American languages and decrease poverty while giving back all the land promised to them through treaties

[@toedrag-release]

@@MohammedAli-hl4mr No need for reparations, honour the treaties, leave the land in which settlers had no rights building on. Go to other regions in which the treaties allowed for building.

[@vidyagaems4063]

Seder-San, senpai!

[@simplicitylost]

22:10 It was pretty clear to me that the caller was jumping from the colonization of Israel (which is what 98% of their conversation was about) to suddenly talking about _all_ White colonization, alluding to North & South America and Oceania (the quote “last places to throw off the yoke of their colonizers”), of course ignoring the fact that the main/primary reasons it has not happened in those areas is because-unlike the colonies of Africa and Asia-there are now millions of descendants in those places. It’s -easy- easier to dismantle colonialism when the structure is a few powerful non-indigenous folks at the top ruling over the majority indigenous population; it’s quite another thing to do it in a place where the indigenous make up a tiny percentage of the overall population.

[@FelisImpurrator]

This is a problem with deontological thinking, like, the underlying reasoning comes from "all colonization is inherently, essentially, absolutely bad" and then a huge helping of genetic fallacy on top of that.

[@A1Kira]

@@FelisImpurratorEither it’s all bad or none of it is… liberals always trying to feel good about themselves.