Same train, Same Crew, Different Engines - Scientific Coal Usage Test

[@crrm]

Awesome video Mark!

[@Hyce777]

Glad you guys enjoyed! :D Thanks for putting on these wonderful events!

[@eliotreader8220]

@@Hyce777 do the engine crews in the heritage era think about the cost of the coal they are using to keep up a head of steam in their engine. the heritage movement in England has recently lost the last remaining coal mine that supplied good coal to them

[@Hyce777]

@@eliotreader8220 Our coal is thankfully very cheap, but we are always scared it might disappear.

[@A_person473]

I love hearing the banter between the crew of the locomotive. Very funny video!

[@leightonmoreland]

Just wait till you get deranged sea shanty cam with me and Brett!

[@KnapfordMaster98]

I adore the way you talk to the engine as you are taking off. “Come on sweetheart… Oh, that’s cute“. It’s sarcastic but it’s genuinely so endearing and makes me happy.

[@Railroaders_For_Life]

Thomas, is a tank engine who lives on the island of sodor, he has 6 small wheels, a short stumpy funnel, a short stumpy dome, and a short stumpy boiler

[@-Infinite92-]

The audio is so nice this time! Probably some of the best steam loco sounds I've heard lol.

[@Hyce777]

I'm glad you liked it! Lav mics, and a properly rebuilt dynamo really helped, lol!

[@TrainsAndTheatricals]

14:31-14:33 "Smelled that coming..." Smelled what? Kenosha?

[@Hyce777]

No kenoshas with the real trains, please... :D

[@spagelsmegal]

The throttle cam on 491 is neat

[@PowerTrain611]

"I'm a musician but I can't read music" I mean,same... It's a gift and a curse. It takes a special talent to be able to play something by ear, but when someone hands you a page of sheet music and says "here, play this" I always feel ashamed to say I can't.

[@PowerTrain611]

Also I just wanna say that C flat is the same as B sharp 😂

[@professormetal4411]

​@@PowerTrain611do you mean C Sharp and B Flat are the same?

[@PowerTrain611]

@@professormetal4411 I mean what I said and I said what I meant!

[@professormetal4411]

@@PowerTrain611 I don't follow, my understanding of music must be different than yours. You have A, B, C, D, E, F, G. Each note is a whole step apart from the next, half steps are either sharp or flat, sharp is higher than the note, flat is lower. So a B Flat would be the same as a C Sharp.

[@PowerTrain611]

@@professormetal4411 You're trying to add logic to a nonsensical joke. It's ok to laugh.

[@Omegabigb]

12:20 super interesting to see how much you play with the throttle to get 491 rolling, even a little bit of wheel slip 😅

[@Hyce777]

Steam dome throttle superheated engines are... an interesting challenge. :D

[@Omegabigb]

@@Hyce777ah, I haven't been watching for too long yet, only subscribed a couple of weeks ago. I didn't realize 491 was fitted with superheating.

[@eddingtonrailroading]

12:33 491: can’t we stay in the station just a little bit longer Hyce: no, me and the rest of the crew have a coal firing experiment to finish 491: ok

[@slanderedstone]

Seeing everyone interact in the cab makes me love the community between everyone on the train crew at the museum, y'all are good people :)

[@ELDRGW]

Love how you can see the fire get bright with each exhaust chuff. Great video

[@avobot9705]

This and C.O.S coal firing videos, I feel the blacklung developing already

[@TrainBandit]

These are probably some of your best videos when your in the cab!

[@Wandering_4ever]

That was a great view , watching you run and seeing dusty fire seeing just how it's REALLY done ... You really had to coax 491 to get up and go on that 2nd run , definitely working that bar and of course talking really nice to her .. :P

[@ColtonRMagby]

The shenanigans you guys get into are funny as all get out.

[@rcrockin1828]

the sound quality is so nice. I can feel the reverb in each chuff.

[@VirgotheDrusky]

I watched the unedited versions of these clips so many times, and I was so excited to see them in a normal video from you!

[@osageorangegaming5128]

From his appearances on your vids, Dusty seems like the sorta foreman who knows gosh-darn well what he's doing, is willing to both give and take some sass and gives room for you to do your YT stuff, but also expects you to do what you're there to do: run and maintain the railroad. Also, when you were starting out of the station with Peaches and working the throttle back and forth, I was chanting "Po-lar, Ex-press, Po-lar Ex-press!"

[@AJtheRatty]

Dusty is hilarious. More Dusty with you on the channel please

[@bluescrew3124]

Also perhaps all my car problems stem from never calling it “Sweetheart”😂

[@bradleywilliams4180]

I sweet talk my truck a lot and she decided to pop a check engine light and I just looked at it and yelled "YOU BITCH!" and it turned back off 😂

[@rabidsqurrile634]

Got me laughing at the blazing saddles references in the 491 video. Singing the work song 😂

[@Littledog0808]

I love seeing these videos about running a steam train

[@TrainMedia00]

Love to see the crew and you putting to work with 491 on the Colorado Railroad Museum lol 7:33

[@carlenger9707]

Cb Major is a real key signature, and it's the grossest thing you've ever seen on a staff; 7 flats meaning that everything is flatted (Bb, Eb, Ab, Db, Gb, Cb, Fb). It's enharmonic to B major which is why it wouldn't be used very often, I'm convinced the only reason it exists is to serve as a literal shitpost for theory professors. I never even saw it on a page until college level music theory.

[@catfish552]

It's fun to see you run a real train for a bit here - slightly more professional, but otherwise just like running the virtual ones 😄

[@IsaacBaxter]

Good informational video might use this when i make a ho scale locomotive run on water and coal

[@Idaho-Cowboy]

Love the throttle cam shots. So cool to get this kind of data.

[@Hybris51129]

Hyce: "It's only 6 pounds of coal." Railroad accountants: "That's $20,000 dollars a year!"

[@Austriantrainguy]

Your locos must be really comfortable to work with. You even have seats in them!!!

[@seymoarsalvage]

Some have steam heaters under the seats too

[@Austriantrainguy]

@@seymoarsalvage WTF!!!! In austria we only have the tender to sit on. Not even the heavy duty locos have seats.

[@QuorkQTar]

Great video, as always! Don't remember if I said it last time, so I'll just put the thought down: The end result is quite contrary to modern electric traction. There's surely a point where it goes downhill again, but if you have a train regularly running with one locomotive and run it with two instead (most likely because of some problem with the cab car, so you need a loco on both ends), you usually end up using net significantly less energy. a) Because your acceleration is much better so in turn you can drop some speed spikes you'd otherwise need to keep the schedule and b) because you double your dynamic brake force and thus drastically increase the recuperation (more than double, because you now can do way more with dynamics than usually). I'll add that I do assume the first factor might move the result significantly in favour of the bigger steam loco in actual train operations out there on long runs with big trains and actually long ascents and descents. But it probably won't be enough to turn it around, I strongly suspect the bottom line would still be to use the best suited and not the biggest engine.

[@Hyce777]

That fact is still super fun. Interesting how the acceleration is what really makes it in lighter tonnage services.

[@tylerpelkey3462]

nice video hyce, i hope someday i get to come to this museum and ride the train myself :)

[@robertschmidt7625]

Love stetson fedora the middle guy is wearing!🤠

[@larrylawson5172]

I would like to know if 20 is an uncomfortable engine to operate. Your feet are next to a hot boiler. Really hot in the summer. If you on the deck plate it is small. The plate might be comfortable in the fall and spring. Cold in the winter. The engineer never gets away from the heat. The fireman is next to the boiler when he is managing the water so very hot in the summer. Still hot at the feet in the winter. The engine might be a nice riding engine but the environment of the cab I would think is difficult. The Video is great. Great action and sounds.

[@seymoarsalvage]

Yeah, I have a thing against deckless engines lol

[@pokemontrainermichael5551]

This is amazing Hyce

[@Stooltoad5017]

I was just at a railroad museum I live near by (points to those who know which museum) and took a look inside the cab of a Duluth, Missabe, and Iron Range 2-10-2 Santa Fe type. Interestingly, the regulator was at diagonal angle, and looks kind of similar to 491’s regulator. Also like the 491, you had to fire it by shoveling. Keep in mind this is a Santa Fe type that is a good deal bigger than 491. Must have been a pain to fire by hand when working the locomotive hard.

[@Stooltoad5017]

Extra points to those who know the number of the locomotive I am talking about.

[@jameschase11]

The camrea over dusty on 491 vibrates a lot. If you get a drone camrea mount, most of them have stabilizeing springs to medigate vibrations.

[@Hyce777]

Yeah, probably a good shout. I figured the stabilization would work but no lol

[@jwize386]

Hello Hyce. Hope you are well and life is good.

[@carltrain6137]

Hello love your videos

[@cliff4377]

When I was glassblowing with a torch my work area looked like the surface of the sun to anyone wearing less than shade 3 because of all the lights pointed at it

[@craniel1]

dusty saying "I'm a musician but I can't read music" 😄. he could fit right in at home. most here in Nashville don't either, that's why we use numbers.

[@lordsherifftakari4127]

my guess is a better assessment of coal usage would be on a proper run such as running the Durango route. that could put both locos at Tonnage on a proper route

[@suprisex4999]

I love your videos interesting for sure!

[@kleetus92]

10:00 What in the wild wild name of sports is goin' on here?!!?

[@lakesiderailwayco2484]

Hyce, you should put your 6-chime back on 491 and run it around during polars. I think the people would find it very interesting. “Guess the engine” “That’s not what that’s supposed to be?!?”

[@Josiah100x]

so Graphene has been a topic of future building material. and a thought ran through my mind to would it not be cool to rebuild old model steam engines using newer modern material especially like this stronger lighter material.... this quickly turned into fantasy and curiosity. Hyce, or anyone, if you could ensure that minimal triple the norm pressure levels are entirely safe, in this hypothetical engine, would it be better that the engine be heavier than the engine its based on or okay that it is lighter? in terms of pulling capacity/capability.

[@Hyce777]

Heavier is almost always better, for railroad stuff.

[@Josiah100x]

@@Hyce777 Thought so but needed an expert, thank you.

[@jdrich85]

C-flat is a key signature. 7 flats

[@skeleton_craftGaming]

I would imagine that external temp plays a part too.

[@ZergSmasher]

You were really working 491's throttle back and forth pretty good on the way out of the station, there. Was it trying to wheelslip or something? Awesome vid btw!

[@Hyce777]

Yup.

[@blendpinexus1416]

ok, so theoretically 491 could be more efficient than 20 but you'd have to be running like on the cumbres to get that superheater really going and getting that efficiency.

[@TheCoolmandarek]

i want to see a video on those white rail trucks i've seen in your videos

[@nw611J]

Hi Mark great video just wondering wgat whistle is 20 wearing, also by any chance can you tell me his I can get a ES&D boxcar? Thanks man your friend Jeff!

[@Hyce777]

Hey Jeff! Thanks. Got your email. :D

[@the_guy_without_a_creative1808]

Hyce do you have a mod list for that Minecraft server?

[@rev9fan1]

Might be a dumb question, but that fire seems REALLY bright, would it help to wear polorized sun glasses to see where the cold spots could be?

[@MrRecorder1]

How dirty does the ... cockpit (?)... cabin (?) ... get after a day of coal firing? I imagine it is quite dusty in there in the end?

[@rjstandland4459]

Why dose 491 independent back control buzz when it doing a application

[@Hyce777]

It's actually while holding it bailed it squeaks the worst; that feed valve just does that. It's been rebuilt and it still does it. Shrug. Something goofy in the casting.

[@bluescrew3124]

This is so much better with light

[@potato21206]

So when is the rotary plow 101

[@Hyce777]

Filming tomorrow, if all goes well. :D

[@potato21206]

@@Hyce777 yay!!!

[@npk765fan]

What whistle did you guys have on 491

[@Hyce777]

D&RGW 3 chime.

[@Nderak]

why are fighting the throttle in one of the clips? wheelslip?

[@PLURTrain916]

Hey Hyce, as a railroad enthusiast who is considering moving into the industry but has no idea how to get started on applying for a job on the railroad - How does one get started? Is there any pre-education that would help me get a job or any certification I need before I can apply/touch a train in real life?

[@sambrown6426]

Hoy much power does the dynamo actually make? It's gotta be a pretty decent amount, right?

[@Hyce777]

32 volts DC, about 30 amps or so. About a kilowatt.

[@sambrown6426]

@@Hyce777 Thanks

[@CaptainS0305]

Hyce does 491's whistle still have a giant whole in one of the chambers?

[@Hyce777]

Yup. Not the whistle she's wearing here though.

[@mollymoments7204]

GOD listening to her run is a biblical experience :)

[@leelay-townhouse]

Cb is in fact a key signature.

[@Hyce777]

Music theory is stupid sometimes. :P

[@leelay-townhouse]

@@Hyce777 I mean, you're not wrong! hahaha

[@jgood1227]

hello Hyce also i like trains

[@akaBoG]

Let's GO!!!

[@rocker4144]

"Believe" is in B major

[@ReggieArford]

Why did you have to keep "pumping" the throttle (?), starting the larger engine?

[@Hyce777]

491 is an odd duck - she's got the same steam dome throttle style as 20; but being that she's superheated, the steam from that throttle valve basically travels twice the length of the locomotive *extra* vs. 20 before it goes into the cylinders. As such, you have a couple second delay in what goes on; and, with how big 491's throttle is, compared to how little train we were running, you really have to feed it just a little bit of steam to make work.

[@TheStickCollector]

Wow. Nice

[@cabowerks3973]

Does it say economy above the firebox door?

[@callsignapollo_]

20 and 491 have "economy" doors, yes. The horizontal split style is the sports model compared to the vertical split butterfly doors being the luxury model.

[@Hyce777]

Yup. That's the manufacturer.

[@Americantrains-d7b]

Is it free to join

[@michaelhayes1678]

If you had a lady in the cab, would the engines get jealous?

[@C.I...]

I always forget that you Americans are so determined to drive on the wrong side that you even do it in steam engines - the one place where we should in theory be agreeing, since it's the one method of transport that we drive from the left hand side. (...except Great Western Railway locos. I don't know enough about the history to elucidate, but they were RHD until the big amalgamation of railway companies happened. Maybe they and the yanks were the right ones - I can't imagine it would be easy to have swapped to fire left handed just for the sake of "modernity".)

[@KidarWolf]

I can think of one argument in favor of firing from the left, and it's to do with dominant handedness in firemen - with most of the world being right handed, firing from the left would make it easier to get ultimate control over where your fuel lands in the firebox, since your right hand would be at the top of the handle on the scoop. It may actually be beneficial to the fuel economy of the engines because of that increased accuracy. It probably doesn't matter for short hauls, but for long hauls, it probably adds up to quite a bit saved. But that argument's all hypothetical. Switching to unify all operations to the same side in British railway operations was more than likely about reducing the difficulty of switching engines - just because you're comfortable operating a steam loco that's RHD doesn't mean you'll find it as easy LHD, and vice versa - there's a lot of muscle memory to retrain for it.

[@Redwagon2012]

Was this the polar Express that u did not upload

[@bluescrew3124]

Ok so C flat is actually B 😀

[@Hyce777]

Well yes but also no

[@theogstuntman]

Please tell my you have used the Spongebob Rock Bottom "accent", by blowing raspberries between words, while talking over the radio.

[@Hyce777]

.... allegedly

[@CelestialCaboose2472]

So early says no views

[@Waffle4321]

Wow polar express in February.

[@Hyce777]

Aye. Lol. It's still winter... right? filmed in late November/Early December though. :D

[@Waffle4321]

@@Hyce777 I suppose it is still winter, here in Wisconsin it feels like summer.

[@user-Duckmaster22]

Hello i am bggest chunk

[@Misfitskid666]

Polar express

[@bluescrew3124]

Missed being first

[@matttrain3960]

First