Samir Bannout vs Mike Mentzer

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Marx Max Muscle

Marx Max Muscle

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This is a fan requested comparison between Mike Mentzer and Samir Bannout.

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@therealoorage
@therealoorage 4 жыл бұрын
Great vid! Can you do Albert Beckles vs Brutal Bertil Fox next?
@marxmaxmuscle1
@marxmaxmuscle1 4 жыл бұрын
Next weeks match! Its a great one! gonna be close too.
@kurtwuttke5787
@kurtwuttke5787 4 жыл бұрын
Dennis Wolf 2014 Arnold classic vs Shawn Rhoden 2018 Mr. Olympia
@ericmartinez6692
@ericmartinez6692 8 ай бұрын
Lmafo
@ImYourHuckleberry_29
@ImYourHuckleberry_29 4 жыл бұрын
Samir's moustache edges out Mike's by a whisker.
@tito16ism
@tito16ism 3 жыл бұрын
Can never beat Arab moustache lol
@gudas930
@gudas930 9 ай бұрын
Italian Moustache vs Arab Moustache
@nattybynature1262
@nattybynature1262 4 жыл бұрын
Samir Bannout was an inch shorter but almost 30 pounds lighter, I believe. These two are some of the most balanced bodybuilders we will ever see. True legends.
@richbrake9910
@richbrake9910 Жыл бұрын
No, Samir's competition weight was only 15 pounds lighter than Mike. Very close here.
@fender1000100
@fender1000100 3 жыл бұрын
Mike's 78 crucifix pose when he scored a perfect 300 is the 2nd more impressive pose I ever saw. Only topped by Sergios 1972 victory pose.
@Naturalhit
@Naturalhit 4 жыл бұрын
There's a pic of them together. Mike clearly has the mass. Also, Mike retired early just when he was getting better.
@samb5358
@samb5358 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah maybe Mike could have produced a physique eventually that could beat prime Samir. Samir was so good though so it would have taken alot
@lionsinofprideescanor8709
@lionsinofprideescanor8709 3 жыл бұрын
And thats why i was so disappointed at him because he just quit when he should have been fighting back and comes back being a better man.. but then again i guess he must have been so hurt that very day at 1980 Mr. Olympia.. R.I.P to him and his brother..
@gilmarmirandadossantos6009
@gilmarmirandadossantos6009 4 жыл бұрын
Samir Barnout 1983 version is one the best shape of 80's decade man.
@Geckoliga
@Geckoliga 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely true !!!
@samraizshoaib585
@samraizshoaib585 2 жыл бұрын
@Spectacular Spectacular he said one of not the.
@spock7of961
@spock7of961 3 жыл бұрын
I agree, I believe Samir Bannout is one of the most symmetrical and complete bodybuilders of his time.
@Poeme340
@Poeme340 2 жыл бұрын
Samir’s back double is unbeatable. Mike is much thicker in general but Samir’s conditioning for the ‘83 was ground breaking-quads, abs, triceps, biceps, etc.. He was ready!
@troynunley8161
@troynunley8161 Жыл бұрын
I'm a big Mentzer fan, but you're definitely 👍 right
@oldassmuscle6680
@oldassmuscle6680 4 жыл бұрын
Samir in that one in 1983 he brought a conditioning not seen up to that point but he was never able to come close to duplicating it but his 83 physique is one of my all time favorites
@harrydemkee912
@harrydemkee912 4 жыл бұрын
old ass muscle I met him at a show in 83 he was guest posing at, it was about 5 months prior to the Olympia and not only did his conditioning pop but his quad separation was unheard of for that time, guys just didn’t develop their legs but he brought the full package for sure in 83! I was the typical fan and could barely string 2 words together but he was kind and humble and spent extra time speaking with me, a memory I will always treasure
@oldassmuscle6680
@oldassmuscle6680 4 жыл бұрын
@@harrydemkee912 Thanks for sharing that I would of really like to have seen him in person. I remember most the quad separation and I had never seen striated triceps like that up to that point. On that day he was the man!!
@harrydemkee912
@harrydemkee912 4 жыл бұрын
old ass muscle I was lucky enough to meet Chris Dickerson and Frank Zane at that same show, Chris was very nice and humble like Samir, Zane basically told me to move on if I didn’t have money to buy anything from him. I was a kid in college and lucky I had the price of admission , I vowed then my days as a Zane fan ended on the spot
@oldassmuscle6680
@oldassmuscle6680 4 жыл бұрын
@@harrydemkee912 No shit I always heard he was strange and known as a baby.He had a great physique but beating Robby Robinson in the overall? No way!
@harrydemkee912
@harrydemkee912 4 жыл бұрын
old ass muscle yes an odd guy, I don’t like to judge when hearing something second hand but I experienced it
@diabolical92
@diabolical92 4 жыл бұрын
N e day Mike mentzer for the win!!! Dude was so much ahead of his time had he been not robbed of the title in 80 by Arnold Schwarzenegger don't know where he wud have gone as a bodybuilder!!!
@chefmastershake
@chefmastershake 4 жыл бұрын
There is a good reason why one won the Olympia title and the other one didn't. This shows that quite well.
@jeffreylocke8808
@jeffreylocke8808 4 жыл бұрын
Samir was a package when he was in shape. Aesthetic and powerful.
@altondunn2667
@altondunn2667 3 жыл бұрын
Samir...one of my favorites That back holds up today.
@xaviervega468
@xaviervega468 3 жыл бұрын
The Mentzer fanboys are delusional Samir wins every pose except maybe the front double bicep.
@jgamez5023
@jgamez5023 4 жыл бұрын
I would've been curious to see what Mentzer's back looked like with 3-4 more years of training. He had amazing genetics, it's a shame he stopped competing. I think Mike would've won in 81-82 and perhaps his back would have been ready to challenge Samir's back in 1983.
@paulcox2447
@paulcox2447 Жыл бұрын
No chance in heck
@quantumpotential7639
@quantumpotential7639 3 жыл бұрын
Is the Lebanewe Lion still with us? I saw him on the pedal machine at Gold's Venice back in 1989. He was on the upper deck waving to people when they came in. Just beneath were the Barbarian Brothers, who asked to work in on the seated military. They were like "ok, strip the tens off and load up 3 45s and a quarter on each side and proceeded to rep out behind the neck military presses for 20 reps at 365. I didn't have the heart to say ok, strip off all the plates and put on a five and a ten. So I just sort of observed their sheer power and let them have the honors. They were very friendly and later, I'd bump into them again at an outdoor gym / coffee shop up in Topanga Canyon.
@GhettoPCbuilds
@GhettoPCbuilds 3 жыл бұрын
He is, look him up on Instagram
@thebigpicture2032
@thebigpicture2032 4 жыл бұрын
Twins yes! They even have the same hair and moustache.
@robertopics
@robertopics 4 жыл бұрын
Funny thing is that by Larry names Mike is or has Germanic ancestry while Samir is more in the Semitic family yet they do have a similar look although on closer inspection they are very different.
@البكالوريالكلالشعب
@البكالوريالكلالشعب Жыл бұрын
Two top bodybuilders
@WhyAreTheyOverHere
@WhyAreTheyOverHere 3 жыл бұрын
Conditioning aside, it will come down to 'taste'. Mentzer represents a 'masculine, rugged' build over the 'pretty' lines of Bannout. Both, the best of an incredible era.
@dubbled7286
@dubbled7286 4 жыл бұрын
Mike Mentzer brings the views!! 🏆👍🥇
@IakovosSianoudis
@IakovosSianoudis 4 жыл бұрын
Mentzer vs Viator, please. Greetings from Greece.
@Achilles0006
@Achilles0006 4 жыл бұрын
This would be a good one!
@kirayoshikage8007
@kirayoshikage8007 2 жыл бұрын
Probably two of my favorite bodybuilders. Mike had overall better flow and size but Samir had the muscle quality and condition
@praveenpande4786
@praveenpande4786 2 жыл бұрын
Great comparison between these legends, unfortunately for the great Mentzer there are not too many proper video of pictures for a fair comparison. Samir's back can easily rival even Yates and Ronnie, it was so complete with lat insertions almost to his butt.
@michealferrell1677
@michealferrell1677 Жыл бұрын
Samir has one of the best physics in all of bodybuilding
@talibe801
@talibe801 4 жыл бұрын
Two of the best ever.
@harrydemkee912
@harrydemkee912 4 жыл бұрын
I actually don’t even call it as close as you with Samir taking it but there is a lot to be admired in Mike’s physique for sure, he just looked powerful but that look didn’t translate into bodybuilding victories on the Olympia stage. I didn’t have the privilege of meeting Mike but I did meet Samir in the early 80’s and he was just a straight up all around nice guy!
@odessafile75
@odessafile75 4 жыл бұрын
I met Samir in the lobby where the 1981 Mr Los Angeles which Bob Paris won was held. I agree Samir was a very friendly, kind , funny guy.
@harrydemkee912
@harrydemkee912 4 жыл бұрын
odessafile75 I met him around 5 months prior to his Olympia win after guest posing all the pros were in the lobby selling various products. Zane and Dickerson were guest posers as well. This show was in San Jose Ca
@odessafile75
@odessafile75 4 жыл бұрын
@@harrydemkee912 I also met Zane ( 1979 Montreal/1980 Hamilton) and Dickerson ( 1980 Toronto/ 1981 Gold's Gym Venice)
@harrydemkee912
@harrydemkee912 4 жыл бұрын
odessafile75 I’m not a fan of Zane, I was a poor student in 83 and if I wasn’t buying he didn’t really want to talk, Samir and Dickerson were the total opposite, friendly and talkative and happy to share knowledge, all these years later that still impresses me
@odessafile75
@odessafile75 4 жыл бұрын
@@harrydemkee912 I had the same experience as you with Dickerson and Bannout. Regarding Zane when I met him the first time in 79 in Montreal when he guest posed at the Canadian Championships he was very gracious and encouraging to me a skinny 18 year old at the time. I actually have a photo taken with him and I did not pay him anything nor did he ask me to buy anything. 1 year later I again saw him very briefly when he guest posed at the Canadian Championships in Hamilton. Last year I sent him an email asking if he will be at the Arnold Classic Expo. I received a response from someone who may have been his wife politely advises he will not be there as he was working on a project. Then I started receiving emails from him advertising his products. This was a bit of a surprise and either I unsubscribed or the emails stopped as I did not buy anything. I had planned to go to the Arnold Classic this year and again sent Frank an email asking if he was attending and received a 1 word reply " No!". I thought he or his wife/ assistant could have least given a longer response and perhaps thanked me for my interest. I have read a number of comments in youtube in recent years speaking to similar experiences as you where Zane and/ or his assistant/ bodyguard were less than friendly and only concerned with people buying product. I met him when he was at the top of the world as the reigning Mr. Mr. Olympia. I get the impression that as he aged he became a bit cantankerous and perhaps frustrated which can happen in one's older years especially if there are health issues.
@darthbargas
@darthbargas 3 жыл бұрын
Samir all the way. So aesthetic, so conditioned. I think the only body part that Mike had better was his really thick triceps. Biceps are close but Samir had that cool looking split on them, plus his look so good and ripped on the crucifix pose. Back on Samir so dominate, what thickness and separation, well ahead of his time. I don't wanna even start on his Christmas Tree!
@TexasGuitarist
@TexasGuitarist 4 жыл бұрын
Good one, bro! Samir is one of my favorites.
@josephrock8739
@josephrock8739 4 жыл бұрын
Columbo vs Padilla 81
@samyj78
@samyj78 2 жыл бұрын
If I have to choose a body to wish for in real life, it would be Mike's. Rugged, muscular, yet not freaky. I love both ,though. Two of the most perfect and complete bodies.
@drbonesshow1
@drbonesshow1 4 жыл бұрын
The two were actually friends. Bannout would introduce the Christmas tree back. Mike's forearms were as good as those of Casey Viator who would continue competing after Mike left in 1980 (bogus 1980 Mr. Olympia and again in 1981).
@Srbenda126
@Srbenda126 4 жыл бұрын
I thought Samir would destroy Mike, but it was close. Samir was Perfect, but he had freakishly short torso and low lats. His siluette was non existant and that hurt him very much
@farazalikhan5242
@farazalikhan5242 3 жыл бұрын
Samir Bannout lower lat insertions are soo low, back is complete and look at those calves man, amazing conditioning
@IronWarrior86
@IronWarrior86 4 жыл бұрын
Mike got that rugged Herculean look thanks to his very Mesomorphic body type. Samir on the other hand got more aesthetic lines particularly in the upper body. Weight wise Mike was about 20lbs heavier. He weighed 220-225lbs for the 78-80 Olympias. Samir competed at 200-205 in the early to mid 80s. They had the same height.
@odessafile75
@odessafile75 4 жыл бұрын
I agree with your analysis. I think Mentzer may have weighed a little less than 220-225 when he competed at the 1979/ 1980 Olympia.
@IronWarrior86
@IronWarrior86 4 жыл бұрын
@@odessafile75 Yeah he might have been closer to 215 for the 80 Olympia. For sure he was more depleted but more ripped than previous years.
@paulcox2447
@paulcox2447 Жыл бұрын
Samir is too balanced for him and has better shape.
@leviefrauim1425
@leviefrauim1425 2 жыл бұрын
Both great ones, fantastic physiques on both, similar size/weight/height. Mentzer, IMHO, was exceptionally thick at that time and by all reports, amazingly strong. Bannout had 'the lines' tho, a very balanced physique.
@blackforest270
@blackforest270 Жыл бұрын
Both are great, I just like the overall shape of Mike better.
@itsgleneaton4883
@itsgleneaton4883 3 жыл бұрын
They look like twins.
@johnjohnson9567
@johnjohnson9567 4 жыл бұрын
Great vid Marx, but you forgot the last, potential most crucial comparison... the mustache pose!
@ramayudhistira6766
@ramayudhistira6766 4 жыл бұрын
Mentzer is quite unique in relation to his waistline...I am a huge Mentzer fan but he certainly was one of the earlier examples of the "bubble gut". However, he had enough control of his waistline also to strike incredible vacuum poses. The issue is he wasn't able to control his waistline throughout most of the duration of the contest (which was no doubt very difficult to do).
@johnstanis781
@johnstanis781 3 жыл бұрын
Samir on aesthetics
@philliplabuschagne5508
@philliplabuschagne5508 3 жыл бұрын
Samir is my best mr Olympia of all time. His lines his back, I really like his look and he still has a six pack today and in great shape. So he is a true mr Olympia and the image of bodybuilding. Not like Shaun Ray one of the greates physiques of all time but today 🤦 Thanks for the great video's
@weotalks2810
@weotalks2810 4 жыл бұрын
Samir TRICEPS UNBELIEVABLE
@anthonygonzalez5608
@anthonygonzalez5608 Жыл бұрын
I always liked Mike Mentzer, but in the comparison Samir is the top dog.
@malibustacy3606
@malibustacy3606 2 жыл бұрын
Mike's looking harder, as in a little more dense.
@TheChismFamily
@TheChismFamily Жыл бұрын
Samir looks better, he was perfectly balanced, including posing, everything developed including calves. Mike had thicker upper body but not enough IMO.
@lesroisdukungfu6859
@lesroisdukungfu6859 4 жыл бұрын
Next? Dustin Hoffman vs Vic Richards.
@charleshendrix232
@charleshendrix232 2 жыл бұрын
Banout clearly looks better to me especially his back .
@kirayoshikage8007
@kirayoshikage8007 2 жыл бұрын
Really would of loved to see Mike keep training he had the genetics to be the champ one day but I get why he quit
@البكالوريالكلالشعب
@البكالوريالكلالشعب Жыл бұрын
Robbed Olympia 1980 n'y arnold. This is the reason
@morningmidnight9398
@morningmidnight9398 Жыл бұрын
I am surprised by how similar they are
@jaspreetSingh-kf7fo
@jaspreetSingh-kf7fo 4 жыл бұрын
Well I don't think Mike got any chance against Samir of 1983 in hell ,Mike was never a top guy but Samir was the best in 1980s segment as whole ,his 1983 package was best in whole 1980s and nobody stands a chance against that Samir of 83
@AngelOliva302
@AngelOliva302 4 жыл бұрын
Mentzer wins!
@raindoset5408
@raindoset5408 Жыл бұрын
Greatest moustaches in bodybuilding
@morphmongal320
@morphmongal320 Жыл бұрын
Samir is a fucking legend mentored is nothing compared to him apparently 😂😂😂😂😂
@VinchenzoC
@VinchenzoC 2 жыл бұрын
Guessing this is a waste since Samir will crush him. Samir's my favorite Mr. Olympia physique.
@luizcarlosd.dasilva1168
@luizcarlosd.dasilva1168 3 жыл бұрын
The two bodybuilders are handsome and very sexy. I love both, Samir Bannout, Mike Mentzer.
@kevgh3869
@kevgh3869 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Marx, where in Canada are you from? Sounds like the east coast.
@ericbutton222
@ericbutton222 3 жыл бұрын
What do you mean structurally the same?? Mentzers waist is much smaller
@guillermomelametz6595
@guillermomelametz6595 4 жыл бұрын
Samir era espectacular y aun hoy a sus 60 luce muy bien Saludos
@rickgarcia8481
@rickgarcia8481 2 жыл бұрын
The back shot ended this comparison.. It was a blowout. Mike looks weak in that shot.
@marcusroemlinghoven6854
@marcusroemlinghoven6854 Жыл бұрын
Samir is a real Mr O.
@richbrake9910
@richbrake9910 Жыл бұрын
Bannout gets the nod based on leg and back development. I remember in 1977 when Samir (call me Sam) Bannout trained in a gym I went to for while in Detroit, Mi. He was not as big as Gary Goss and some of the others, but he was definitely the most impressive.
@derpfrog5625
@derpfrog5625 4 жыл бұрын
Great comparison.
@steveframe4802
@steveframe4802 2 жыл бұрын
Two arm dominant pros separated by Samir's chest. Mike may edge the free posing.
@joemajor2553
@joemajor2553 4 жыл бұрын
I’d give Samir all of them except front double and side chest. His back shots destroy mike, side shots are closer, and he takes the ab/thigh and MM pretty handily. I think if mike kept competing and improving, it would be even more interesting.
@केवड़ाठाकुरSonofRajputana
@केवड़ाठाकुरSonofRajputana 4 жыл бұрын
Lee priest vs phill heath
@iseehowitis9382
@iseehowitis9382 Жыл бұрын
Battle of the mustaches
@dspada67
@dspada67 Жыл бұрын
Samir all the way for me bro, even the quads and calves. Ciao
@lawrencerobinson9870
@lawrencerobinson9870 3 жыл бұрын
They look like they could’ve been twins
@davidward5225
@davidward5225 26 күн бұрын
Samir all the way
@nishanthsurendran7721
@nishanthsurendran7721 2 жыл бұрын
Battle of the moustaches.
@troynunley8161
@troynunley8161 Жыл бұрын
Same height, same weight...same mustache 🤣😂🤣
@MrShahrozzz
@MrShahrozzz 4 жыл бұрын
2020 AC(finals) Big Ramy vs 2003 Ronnie Coleman
@nickbritten8132
@nickbritten8132 4 жыл бұрын
3:15 - Samir’s delt looks surprisingly small.
@alhassanait1749
@alhassanait1749 4 жыл бұрын
Samir is more Wide from the shoulders makes him more appealing ...
@msza10
@msza10 4 жыл бұрын
Very very similar even with the classic Moustache
@joubert3369
@joubert3369 4 жыл бұрын
Difficult one...Mike never reached his prime. He had all the muscles: forearms, calves, tríceps, shoulders, etc. He needed a little bit of evolution. But his muscular density was out of this world. Is the type of body I like. Samir on the other side looked great, amazing back. He was a modern bodybuilder, more evolutioned. But I don't like his body. His waist was huge and his torso is strangely small. His muscles looked soft compared to Mike.
@thomasdietz579
@thomasdietz579 4 жыл бұрын
Samir was always holding water.. Mentzer was more af a symetrical mass monster... And if you know anything about bodybuilding everyone knows that Menter had a "weak" chest
@xaviervega468
@xaviervega468 3 жыл бұрын
Samir kills him from the back as well.
@kombasanpracka
@kombasanpracka 4 жыл бұрын
Propaaah decision! Now Danny Padilla vs Tom Platz pls.
@lawrencerobinson9870
@lawrencerobinson9870 3 жыл бұрын
They look like they could seriously be brothers seriously
@lionsinofprideescanor8709
@lionsinofprideescanor8709 3 жыл бұрын
4:32 Samir's back development and his calves was really good in that picture.. his tricep was good but got overshadowed by his biceps though..
@morphmongal320
@morphmongal320 Жыл бұрын
Side chest Samir all the flipping way those muscle bellies baby pleasee
@PaulMichaelLevesque69
@PaulMichaelLevesque69 Жыл бұрын
Imagine IF Mike wasn't retired after 80 Olympia and still continuing his career.. this battle with Samir Bannout was inevitable. And of course he will lose too in 81 for Arnold's best friend, Franco Columbu make his return to the stage. There will be a great battle of him, Samir and Dickerson if he still "on his path". But it is what it is and everything in the past.
@MIK23458
@MIK23458 4 жыл бұрын
Lee Haney v Mike Christian.
@doosian76
@doosian76 4 жыл бұрын
I found pictures from when Mike did the perfect show and the back was better than samir and he was overall better , insane he would win as a classic bb with that shape he had . He was alot better than the pictures trust me ive trained with his neighbour and mike was a beast at his best. Samir would not stand a chance in hell and today with his work etic and frame he would have been unreal
@gustave9744
@gustave9744 3 жыл бұрын
Show me the show then hahaha no way mentzer had a better bad then Samir
@AirBuddDwyer
@AirBuddDwyer 3 жыл бұрын
@@gustave9744 Yeah this dude is just creaming himself over a guy he has a weak connection to. He's never seen Samir in person but has ruled out the possibility that he too might also look way better than in photos, and even if Samir did his confirmation bias would pretend otherwise because he trained with Mike Metzger's neighbor. Samir has the greatest back in history no contest (at least so far anyway)
@84Terminator
@84Terminator 4 жыл бұрын
Mentzer is my favorite when it comes to personality, but physique wise I think Samir is unbeatable.
@billmagorian490
@billmagorian490 2 жыл бұрын
I see a pattern in your comparisons. Too often they are not from the same angle even if they are the same pose. Second the quality of the photographs are not equal. If you can't find quality photos of comprable quality don't post comparisons
@TheSacred55
@TheSacred55 3 жыл бұрын
Are you sure these two weren't brothers from another mother. Both were the sultans of symmetry - good battle
@pontypresley3711
@pontypresley3711 4 жыл бұрын
Samir wins on the moustache
@michaelriley8966
@michaelriley8966 4 жыл бұрын
Very good matchup Even down to the tache
@aky19832001
@aky19832001 3 жыл бұрын
If your complete from head to toe In a rear double bi, it's pretty much a wrap.
@baasemqunaibi2472
@baasemqunaibi2472 2 жыл бұрын
Samir
@sbsb4995
@sbsb4995 3 жыл бұрын
Lets not forget Ahmad haidar.
@MsPickles1964
@MsPickles1964 2 жыл бұрын
Dude, I have been bodybuilding since 1978.Are you really casting opinion on something you literally know nothing about? Just going by pictures that you could conjure up on the internet. I have been following bodybuilding since long before then. And still follow it so close that I would almost say religiously to this day. I can basically consider myself a bodybuilding historian. Are you really serious? You are doing these reviews... based solely on photographs and videos you pull up from the internet????
@masiausuahusuha8671
@masiausuahusuha8671 Жыл бұрын
Easy win for Samir, I mean look at that back, that alone gives him the win. Mentzer doesn’t have that thickness
@lloydkline1518
@lloydkline1518 2 жыл бұрын
Larry scott 1966 mr olympia vs sergio oliva mr olympia 1967
@Tristan_00715
@Tristan_00715 3 жыл бұрын
Ahahahahaa I thought they we're the same person
@88KUNGFUMAN
@88KUNGFUMAN 3 жыл бұрын
Mentzer had an unusual back. His traps almost seemed like they were torn or incomplete..sort of like Boyers abs.
@mikeolson5986
@mikeolson5986 3 жыл бұрын
Pat Samir !
@MMAoracle
@MMAoracle 3 жыл бұрын
Samir Bannout has the third best back of all time, after Dorian and Ronnie
@mossimmo1271
@mossimmo1271 2 жыл бұрын
Samir had a better back than Ronnie.
@MMAoracle
@MMAoracle 2 жыл бұрын
I dont know about that…
@mossimmo1271
@mossimmo1271 2 жыл бұрын
@@MMAoracle I do, so get over it.
@MrAvitom
@MrAvitom 4 жыл бұрын
Mike Mentzer has it....
@gustave9744
@gustave9744 3 жыл бұрын
No he doesn't, both back poses + A&T+ FLS is 4/7 game over for mentzer. Even the side chest/tri is debatable for Samir.
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