Libertarian Gone Wild After Losing Party Member to Sam Seder

[@RvEijndhoven]

John: Can you name even one example of x? Sam: *Gives one example* John: That's just one situation, I'm talking in general! And that happens about five times in a row.

[@ASkepticalHumanOnYouTube]

And then Seder, at one point, points to Europe, and the caller says "Europe? You're being so general that it's disgusting!"

[@BlackHearthguard]

Don't forget, "Now you're arguing semantics"

[@Chacopapi]

John has a disability in comprehension

[@zachbergmann7916]

The dude is just uneducated. Like, I remember thinking these thoughts before I got my education. But then, after I went to school, I learned how to follow the thought chains a little further down the line and shit gets a little clearer and makes a little more sense. We desperately need tuition free education cause this is fuckin ridiculous. We got half the population just kinda trying to think critically, and the other half which actually does.

[@JamesVanDeWaal]

A Nonymous no no. You just need massive amounts of inherited wealth and circumstantially privileged success to then retreat out to Sacramento where you’ll have some privately funded pseudo - permaculture community of wells and electricity. Then you’ll get it.

[@occhamsrazor]

So his reason for calling was... Damn you Sam! You stole the one lone female we had!

[@1MarkKeller]

Exactly.

[@MountSilky252]

Sam "Steal Ya Gurl" Seder in full effect

[@GrahamBarth]

Sam SEED'er: literally cucking libertarians.

[@frankmcgovern5445]

WE HAD A REAL LIVE GIRL! I HATE YOU!

[@dineskumarragu4187]

Exactly. How dare Sam converted our only token libertarian female..😝😝😝

[@ElaineLoyd]

It's amazing to me how an entire political party(libertarians) exist with the entire premise of not understanding how anything functions.

[@ericmacrae6871]

Every time that i listen to a Libertarian it feels like they live in an ideological world where they can't comprehend reality. I debated a Libertarian where he was trying to make the claim that workers is a subjective term. That they are not being theorize by the capitalist and the notiom that the working class is enslave by the capitalist it is absoutly insane

[@stms4411]

They are people that are educated beyond their intelligence.

[@Here4TheHeckOfIt]

​@@ericmacrae6871 It's an Ayn Rand cult. You know how cult members are. They repeat mantras and slogans and live in their own world.

[@ShummaAwilum]

Imagine a libertarian telling someone else they have a superficial understanding of economics.

[@ldawg7117]

The hypocrisy / projection that comes from these people is utterly mind blowing...

[@52flyingbicycles]

Literally my AP microeconomics class in HIGH SCHOOL had numerous examples of when regulation would be useful. That class was written by neoliberals and taught by my two neoliberal teachers and it somehow made me more leftist

[@Hhoom-rc8le]

​@52flyingbicycles Isn't it amazing how understanding their concepts, methods of analysis and necessary assumptions makes you less and less right wing? "Hm, so if this group can always act on known information, the costs they face genuinely reflect all possible damages or benefits from partaking in a transaction, the other party in the transaction has zero ability to dictate prices, and everyone acts like a min maxing RPG character motivated purely by selfishness then we maybe get a state of affairs where a poor person's life is only made less miserable to the extent that Bill Gates doesn't lose a dollar doing it." And you're supposed to internalize that scenario as representing *intuition and optimal functioning* while ignoring that the free market itself can suffer deadweight losses because the "competitive equilibrium" if reached is only guaranteed to be a local maximum.

[@pano3607]

“When has regulation ever worked?” “In X, Y and Z cases” “STOP GIVING ME SPECIFICS!” “Ok, mate... it worked great in America throughout the 40s, 50s and 60s” “Oh yeah? Well it would’ve worked better without regulations! I don’t understand your point! Are you saying no one gets raped when we all pay our taxes?? Aaarrrggghh! You lose, I win! Pavlov’s Dog!”

[@cuseyeti5243]

The most perfect example of Moving the Goalposts Fallacy I've ever seen.

[@sklorbit]

we should use some type of law system to stop pollution like a regulation lol.

[@friskjidjidoglu7415]

These libertarians probably would shit their pants if they found out the word for ‘rule(s)’ and ‘regulation’ descend from the same root.

[@oldcdog91]

Caller: "Broad sweeping statement with no facts to back it up" Sam: "Specific example that directly contradicts caller's statement" Caller: "YOU'RE USING A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE THAT I CAN'T REFUTE!! STOP IT!!"

[@christianknuchel]

It's worse than that: The caller *asked* Sam for examples, but once they came, accused him of "semantics" and "specifics".

[@joshhill212]

I know right! This was a Great call! Although I would have doubled down on the tap water angle as the caller may exclusively use well water himself, but not everybody does. The people who do drink from the tap are not getting sick (With Contagious Diseases) because of regulations. The caller himself may not drink tap water, but if he ever interacts with any other portion of society he still benefits off of the regulations that keeps the rest of society healthy. I wonder if he ever has went out to eat in his entire life? Has he ever benefited from an employee of being forced to wash their hands before making his meal? Or does anyone really believe that his entire life he has never once drank from a water fountain with regulated clean water? What happens if he gets too far away from his house? Does he keep emergency store-bought bottled water in his car just in case he's too far away from his house's well water? Although even under those circumstance, water bottling factories have regulations too. On top of that regulations prevent pollution from being put into the Earth that could potentially contaminate even his well water. Ever heard of Fracking? Fracking is banned in my entire State because we have regulations against it.

[@yourteamsucks2136]

STOP！ The big bad liberal is exposing my ignorance! Why are liberals so hate-filled and mean, using facts and logic?

[@nukiradio]

Ladies and gentlemen, A strawman doing the gish gallop on a high horse

[@LouMachado]

3 years later I find this gem. "Do you have diarrhea?" I love how that question alone sets this guy back. That awkward silence alone screams "Oh crap, water is regulated? Dude, do I drink water?"

[@1MarkKeller]

The caller's response was the textbook example of being triggered.

[@animespoils4814]

Dude he’s got a well.. EVERYONE IN AMERICA SHOULD USE WELLS! ALL 300 million of us!

[@brennanr.697]

@@1MarkKeller That and Dunning Kruger.

[@farbauti5398]

He was such an idiot

[@EbonySeraphim]

@@animespoils4814 I heard that and was like "WTF? WHO HAS THEIR OWN FUCKING WELL!" I learned one thing when talking to conservatives...somehow they are magically super self sufficient in all things about their life and it's just EVERYONE else that depends on and uses modern day amenities provided by and regulated by government. Good debate prep needs about 3~5 scenarios where a person can't be seen as reasonable when they lie about just how self sufficient they are. 1 - how did you get here? Your car has safety standards 2 - do you have diarrhea? Your water safety is regulated by the government 3 - did you go to a public school? (Easy one to get out of but it's easy to see where this goes) 4 - what would do if your neighbor, armed more than you are, stole something valuable of yours? Most would call the police and now you're relying on a public service 5 - how do you establish that your house and property is yours towards other people? Government says that, and enables you to leverage #4 - law enforcement to enforce trespassing violators

[@neilkristjansson8477]

I swear to god, every one of these people's minds are blown whenever Sam just gives them a very blunt answer. They're so used to their political idols skirting around giving a direct answer that they just cannot compute somebody arguing with so much conviction. Beautiful.

[@TheCynicalCircle]

John: name one example. Sam: names one example. John: but that’s one specific example, can you name a country that has thrived with this level of regulation. Sam: names several. John: but can you be more specific. 🤦‍♂️

[@CreativeVideoZone]

These libertarian callers are the gift that keeps giving.

[@yourteamsucks2136]

They ARE like Herpes.

[@chancerbox1935]

you never run out of stupidity

[@bstone5943]

Like, they keep calling in with hopes of being The One to win an argument.

[@scottgrohs5940]

You mean like they expect an angelic Milton Friedman to come down and magically grant them peace of mind if they’ve achieved being The One?

[@GTA_500]

I would like to call it the gift that keeps on grifting

[@MatthewBorn88]

I don't think I've ever felt so embarrassed for, while being so annoyed by a single person at the exact same time. The libertarian argument can be broken down to this: "I don't like paying taxes." That's it, that's all. Everything else is just a justification.

[@ibyvrcrdd9903]

Actually, it can be boiled down even simpler than that. It all comes down to "No! Make me!"

[@huehuecoyotl2]

That's really all it is about, not paying taxes. My brother in law makes the same arguments about useless regulation, it goes around and around until he gets enough beers in him and you get to the core, which is "I'm pissed that I have to pay taxes and can't afford a hot tub right now." All the other stuff, the 'principles', its all just window dressing. All this priciples talk is just to make it seem less crass.

They are just reinvented Birchers all gussied up for the imaginary fair. This online article travails the webbed and cryptic history of right-wing libertarianism. medium.com/@Airis/why-right-wing-libertarians-are-bad-for-politics-b397def7f805#.3rhg38ogi

[@daturave]

Oh the young computer warrior men who so suffer the wrath and tyranny of taxation, never has such wrong been done in annals of history. (sorry for the stereotype, but just about everyone libertarian I have met has been a pseudo-intellectual angry young man)

[@terryfuldsgaming7995]

Morrison Dali which is funny if you think about it because these are the same people constantly whining about welfare queens not paying their fair share. WELL GUESS WHAT TAXES ARE YOU RETARDS? YOUR FAIR SHARE TO PAY. The right is just full of whiners with their hands out. Lazy Moochers...

[@democrazy69]

This is probably the worst caller I've heard on majority.

[@realpointz]

Its just painful to listen to. These Libertarians talk only amongst themselves devoid of reality, it all makes sense to them in their Libertarian cocoon built by koch brothers,when they venture out into the real world it all falls apart.

[@waterhead001]

realpointz Strangely, when inevitably their ideas fall apart, they still defend their ideas by using the buzz words that duped them into believing this to begin with. It was painful to listen to, but I enjoyed it also.

[@realpointz]

waterhead001 If you're against libertarianism you're against freedom waterhead you damm statist illuminati confirmed am off to buy prepper gear with my bitcoins ...am just joking

[@democrazy69]

bisquitnspanky You dare to have a point? You pointist.

[@xavierkellam3514]

He literally started off by saying “name me a time when regulation had ever worked” and 10 minutes in he shifts the goal posts and says “oh no I believe some regulation is good”

[@jonathanwpressman]

Shifting the goal post is the only strategy ever. Have you have the pleasure of arguing with a MAGA person?

[@XXCoeusXX]

Caller: "Give me an example" *Gives example* Caller: "You're just stating one specific instance"

[@elftax]

This fool went off about Greece, the Greek economy failed due to lapsed regulation!!!. Tax evasion was the national pastime. If the Greek govt had regulated its tax collection then it could have paid its debt obligations.

[@robertjenkins6132]

Also Greece uses a foreign (exogenous) currency (the Euro) and is thus constrained in its ability to deficit spend. Other national governments (e.g., the USA, Japan, Australia) issue their own sovereign currency and owe debt in this currency, and thus they cannot be forced to default on their debts and are not limited in their ability to deficit spend. The only risk is excessive inflation - but note that Japan has had problems with *negative* inflation (deflation) in spite of massive deficit spending and low interest rates.

[@notsayingimbetterthanyoubu3187]

@tiglath pileser you crazy as this dumb ass caller dude

[@notsayingimbetterthanyoubu3187]

@@robertjenkins6132 He uses Greece as an example to prove HIS point, when the banks screwed over the country and Private Corporations do what they do, which is squeeze more money out of people in hard times. That's his flaw, he thinks the free market can save people when the ship is sinking, but in reality the free market is the sharks swimming around the boat waiting for lunch. He couldn't have debunked his own point harder if he tried

[@georgecostanza712]

@tiglath pileser Funny that you believe the EU is a German takeover of Europe, when Germany was forced by France to adopt the Euro in the first place in order to reunify. You have nobody to blame but the Neoliberal goons that run the Western world for the austerity crisis in Europe; maybe you weasily little Germanopbobe cowards shouldn't have forced Germany to become part of your sinking ship of globalization and subversion of national sovereignty, then they wouldn't be de facto running all your countries for you. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[@notsayingimbetterthanyoubu3187]

@tiglath pileser socialism, equality for all will lead to a better version of Globalism. If you truly hate Capitalism as I do, Globalism is what will defeat Nationalism. Globalism on the peoples terms, social Globalism. It will end the idea of war and especially fighting over resources. Capitalism and Consumerism are biggest threat to freedom, and Communism is just as bad. Capitalism and Communism were both created by Zionists to oppose one another, they are both systems of Imperialist control. When both are defeated the banks and big oil defeated, then the people will have control. Globalism on our terms will lead to world peace. Only way to prevent Nationalism or War from occurring again.

[@Ematched]

fyi, there are regulations governing personal water wells.

[@5TailFox]

Ematched Damn right. Because if that water's not clean, some dudes wearing orange utility jumpsuits will drive out to your house, ring your doorbell, hand you a notice, walk around your house to where your well is, and bolt a metal cap down onto it so no one can access it. And there'd be nothing he could do about it. This caller is basically arguing in favor of being allowed to drink that fucked up water, because...reasons.

[@jrasicmark1]

Yep, and the caller said he has his well water tested regularly; I'll bet the company that tests his water is regulated too.

[@5TailFox]

jrasicmark1 Right. They'd have to be. Or else they wouldn't even have license to do what they do.

[@Ematched]

jrasicmark1 No, I'm sure the testers just love freedom so much that they always do a perfect job.

[@heldinahtmlhell]

You can test your own water fairly easily.

[@thelibrariansupermanny]

"I gotta continue on with the show. The Free Market demands it." - priceless!

[@redhotchillinpeppers]

Puttincomputers I literally felt the burn on that one lmfao

[@soda1yes]

Well said... priceless

[@boarder6246]

He almost cried 😭

[@collinbeal]

My girlfriend is asleep next to me. Had to try really hard to stifle my laughter so I wouldn't wake her up

[@oddguy116]

"you say these words, and we're all supposed to salivate like Pavlov's dogs" is an all time great libertarian caller quote

[@TheJesselopez1981]

I just liked that he called them substidies.

[@adam-yk6yd]

"Regulations don't work" Sam cites river pollution "Yeah well that works, but regulations don't work" ?

[@PaonSol]

FEDERAL BAD, LOCAL GOOD. Why? Because Invisible Hand of the Free Market, hallowed be Its name!

[@1MarkKeller]

Ultimately it boils down to, "Local bad too, my individualism is good." Or ... every man is an island. We all know how that's gonna turn out, there are tons of sci fi movies made about the end of the world to watch. lol

[@1neomonkey]

Circular reasoning at its finest. It's dumbfounding how they can't see that.

[@Halloween111]

Ask a question, then talk over the answer. Get an answer, then get mad when it doesn't answer a question you didn't ask? This dude must have been eating unregulated lead paint chips as a kid.

[@joshportie]

+Halloween111 he ate the hell out of those things

[@rangers1919]

+josh portie You're getting into semantics. Talk about regulation.

[@soulcology]

Lmao!!!😂😂😂😂

[@wout4yt]

Another example that ppl who can't listen remain stupid

[@MikeDixieWrecked]

LOL.

[@evelkidnievel]

wow, that was painful.

[@terryfuldsgaming7995]

Na, he's totally right. It's not like even WITH the faa, that planes almost crash into each other every few months at busy airports or anything. .. or like planes ever crash at all. So why do we need the faa? ... what's that? They do? And they do? All the time you say? ...umm... uhhh ...FAKE NEWS!!!

[@robertpiatt1551]

Nice, Steven! This is old, but I'm SO glad I endured that twit's ramblings. Sam handled it all beautifully. Feel kinda bad for the less-insane Libertarians who can effectively state and defend their arguments for "limited government". They've got guys like that undermining their credibility.

[@babycakes2077]

Pure form calibama

[@pbj3391]

how HUMILIATING. i'm sure that "female friend" ran for the hills for good after hearing that.

[@KevSez]

Dude is one mushroom tea away from being a sovereign citizen

[@updogysl]

Anyone else get the vibe that the woman Sam convinced to stop being libertarian was this guys then girlfriend? Sam "Mista Steal Yo Girl" Seder

[@rexwall2000]

"in the early 1900's right after WWII". I can't watch anymore and yet I can't stop watching.

[@Wyndwalkyr]

The caller is so dedicated to his toy belief system that he literally cannot hear.

[@RocketmanRockyMatrix]

It is a philosophy, it is not a toy belief. You are so narrow-minded, you would not give it a chance.

[@georgep922]

***** Well at least you ADMIT it's a philosophy and not a legitimate political movement, which it is not. The caller sounds like a typical "libertarian."

[@RocketmanRockyMatrix]

George Pirpiris The Libertarian is a legitimate movement. Watch Adam Kokesh, Stefan Molyneux, Walter E Williams... From what I hear, Sam is continuously interrupting the caller, not even trying to give him a chance to speak.

[@jgroth3906]

Because it's fucking nonsense and incoherent.

[@terryfuldsgaming7995]

RU Kiddingme he reminds me of when I was an impetuous 5 year old who knew it all...

[@-Diamond-Dave-]

Sam, your ability to stay calm in the face of stupid is no less than a super power.

[@aaronstanley7447]

I was a libertarian for about a year while I was doing my undergraduate work. I switched to the Democratic party when I "finally" realized that Libertarians are, for the most part, quasi-anarchists. I really just got tired of listening to ridiculous arguments about self-governance and how the federal government never positively affected the lives of those living in the US. They want to deregulate everything, and they have no clue how detrimental that would in actuality be for the nation.

[@kazearaki853]

Switching from the mouth of a crocodile into the mouth of a snake. Right wing libertarianism and right wing anarcho-capitalism has nothing to do whatsoever with anarchism. Google the writings of Noam Chomsky (available at Chomsky.info) for some basic understanding of Anarchism and Libertarian Socialism. The democratic party is only the lesser of two evils when compared to the republican party.

[@aaronstanley7447]

Kaze Araki "the lesser of two evils..." That was my point. My anarchist comment was an exaggeration that I thought might cement how strongly I feel about the party. And yes, I'm familiar with Chomsky's work and I have nothing but respect for him as an academic and an intellectual. His books, of which I have many, have been a positive influence in my life. However, I've neither seen, or read anything from the libertarian party that would compel me to reevaluate my political position. - beyond any theoretical political exercise. I may not agree with the party, but that doesn't mean I view those who have chosen to identify themselves as libertarians as misguided, or uniformed. Peace

[@kazearaki853]

A Stanley The libertarian party has nothing to do with real libertarianism or anarchism. The libertarian party represent the extreme right wing section of the conservative movement. True libertarian/anarchist like Chomsky are anti-capitalist. In Europe where the term originated, libertarianism represent left anarchism.

[@kazearaki853]

A Stanley The closest party to libertarianism is the green party but in general libertarians are oppose to party/centralize power like capitalism/communism and are more oriented towards collective endeavors.

[@stevejoseph4514]

NOT ONLY THAT, THEY SUPPORT AN IDEALOGY AND PARTY IN THIS COUNTRY THAT WAS BASICALLY STARTED BY THE KOCH BROTHERS TO TRICK A YOUNGER GENERATIN OF PEOPLE INTO SUPPORTING LIBERAL SOCIAL CAUSES, AND MASSIVELY RIGHT WING PRO CORPORATE CAUSES...SUCH AS ELIMINATING REGULATIONS AND TAXES.

[@panzerkind2190]

Just an example of good regulation. I am en electrical engineer who works with power transmission. There is this concept in circuitry (especially high voltages) which is "path to ground". Think of it as an escape valve for electricity into the earth in the event of things like short-circuit, damage to insulation, surge, etc. We are compelled by federal regulations to design and implement paths-to-ground on transmission line every X distance and at every major component with a staggering amount of redundancy that makes absolutely no sense in any economic way. In many cases, the line or component would function perfectly fine without it. However, in the event that something goes terribly wrong, it is much more likely with these points installed that you won't vaporize some poor unsuspecting person with 30 thousand volts. These regulations are imposed by professional engineers who understand the dangers of electricity, stuff the general public can't really judge for themselves until they are a fine mist in wind after a static potential arcs through the air into them.

[@Seattle-2017]

Nine years later, at this very moment, John the libertarian is still screaming endlessly into an empty phone line.

[@ASkepticalHumanOnYouTube]

"When has regulation EVER worked?" Sam: "Uhh, do you have diarrhea right now?" GOLD

[@Alex-cw3rz]

"Government does not create Jobs" the largest employer in the world united states of defense... 🤔

[@citypunk326]

"no no no, those aren't jobs because people pay taxes and we all know taxes = not jobs"

[@paultetreault287]

Holy CRAP!!! It's like debating with a creationist. WOW!

[@supersomebody101]

I’m from 5 years in the future

[@goranmilic442]

@@supersomebody101 Libertarianism begins to look like a religion, a blind faith in free market and deregulation, without understanding why.

[@chrishakala528]

Well, there is a lot of overlap between those two groups.

[@SoSoKayla]

Initial question: "When has regulation ever worked?" And then literally 10 minutes later: "I think the EPA has done great."

[@thomasmackelly7685]

"I live independently with my own well." Oh ok dude. You the only person in America?

[@CricketStyleJ]

This guy asks for specific examples, then complains that the examples were too specific. Then he brings up macroeconomic theory and complains that the conversation has drifted off topic, away from the examples that he asked for. He also wants an instance where regulation has ever worked, then touts the local regulations of his community. If regulation doesn't work, then why are you doing it? There is not a coherent thought in this guy's head.

[@6idangle]

I used to be a libertarian until 2008 happened and I woke up from my delusional haze.

[@ReiEmeraldTakedo]

+Logan Wallace Oh? And what regulation was that? The "Let's force all the banks to make horrible gambles with other people's money" regulation? I don't think that one is on the books.

[@joshportie]

+Tyler Potts good for you bro, theres a lot of Koch money going into neolibertarian idealisms and I think most everyone knows what sort of people they are.

[@joshportie]

+Logan Wallace you mean deregulation caused the 2008 crash. maybe go look it up again. lol

[@joshportie]

darthvader5300 absolutely, and Reagan was so scared of communism he put Osama Bin Laden into power to fight communism in Afganistan, he ended sherman anti-trust, started deregulation and bs reaganomics. Basically unchecked greed can break any economic system, the same unchecked greed that broke the back of the old soviet union is now breaking america. outsourced is due to our bs trade deals. unfortunately you are trying to talk to people who have had a steady diet of misinformation from our corporate conservative fascist media for years. Funny thing is the Kochs came from the soviet union, where their fathers greed and people like him helped to bring down your old country. Im not a stupid american and I know my history.

[@joshportie]

***** lol everything supports my claim, troll

[@grouchypus]

Sam was far more rational then I know I could be debating someone who denies clear facts, and overall expressed amazing moron debating skills. also the ending was beautiful lol

[@TheFamousMockingbird]

Karl Marx he has a lot of experience in doing this and he has a pretty deep understanding on a wide range of ideas of both current and past politics and politicians

[@NotoriousLightning]

I don't think you're really Karl Marx.

[@treedillinger5801]

*than …9 years later

[@hugoeriksson6524]

“Give me one example where regulation has ever worked” **Gives examples** “Stop bringing up little individual things. You’re missing the bigger picture and misconstruing arguments.”

[@elsiegel84]

Deregulation in the 1920's-->depression, deregulations in the 70's-->massive inflation, stagflation, deregulation in the 1990's, 2000's-->global financial crisis. Deregulation in physiology-->disease, deregulation in cellular division-->cancer. Libertarianism-->societal malignancy.

[@alexritchie4586]

Quoting Adam Smith to pick holes in the modern economy is like citing Galen's theory of the Four Humours to address the failings of modern medicine.

[@thatoneguyinthecomments2633]

Adam smith is actually fairly relavent to discussing any market based economic system, as is Marx and a dozen others; bit like discussing physics without Newton, yes he was wrong about stuff, but even then he was usually pretty close and about as right as one could be with the knowledge at the time.

[@stevenhaas9622]

Most of these mouth breathers have never read nor understand Adam Smith.

[@MJW238]

It’s so silly - if these guys had even a basics understanding of Adam Smith that would know he certainly never said there shouldn’t be government regulations, and is hardly the guy (whether you agree with Smith’s views of not) to be relying on to support your Libertarian beliefs.

[@redeyez35]

I just love the silent exchange as libertarian realizes his previous statement doesn't make sense.

[@trajan74]

This guy is a prank caller. That becomes clear about halfway through. Or he's drinking polluted well water from fracking.

[@levin86osu]

This is pretty typical of libertarians

[@kdkseven]

+TheScholar74 - No, i think his frustration, and ignorance, was genuine.

[@grayforester]

What is a libertarian but a troll of government?

[@TheFamousMockingbird]

His tone is far too emotional, you can just hear the absolute loyalty to what he believes to the point in an almost religious sense. This is a really a example of how just living in an echo chamber can lead to dogmatic views that are essentially cult like, but I feel like cult members wouldn't be this worried about what Sam think and could still have the self awarness that they are just embarrassing themselves.

[@1MarkKeller]

Could it be both?

[@cfytcf]

'My libertarian ideas are correct by default, therefore I will perform mental gymnastics to handle any well-landed critique of them.'

[@brothabubba]

Do libertarians actually believe police/fire/public safety is profitable? Like you could run a station like a business? ‘Ok ma’am, I stopped that guy from stealing your purse so it’s gonna be about $50, we do take Apple Pay if you’re so inclined’

[@lindseysummers5351]

Ho hum. "I've loaded up on AM radio to get my confirmation bias, and now that I am outside my bubble and comfort zone, I sound like a fool." You betcha!!

[@anomysafad803]

A regulation that killed Businesses Thirteenth Amendment! Bring back slavery took my granddaddy's Businesses! (not being serious )

[@1MarkKeller]

There was a Libertarian caller on the show who did argue FOR slavery. That was cringy too.

[@lis437]

I say we give these types a big part of Montana and let them have no government and no taxes - and let the rest of us watch the fun.

[@redneckvoodoo3572]

Only if we build a big fence around it so they can't get out.

[@grayforester]

Post WWII the richest Americans owed ninety percent of their income. It did not keep them from being the richest Americans, and it brought down crime and suicide rates.

[@sirius1696]

Bodhi the USSR's economy had 56 years of continuous growth without recession and went from a backwards feudalist economy to a global industrial superpower, growing by well over 5000%, so yeah, the USSR worked pretty damn well, actually. Otherwise, by that logic, the Great Depression completely discredited capitalism

[@sirius1696]

lis437 we'll call it "Somalia"

[@parkerc9816]

Bodhi did you ever consider that our GDP relies on resources and trade. We have one of the largest, if not THE largest agricultural districts in the world not to mention oil production, natural gas, forests (btw hi from western washington), iron, steel, and fish just off the top of my head and you are comparing the U.S. to places like Norway, Iceland, Denmark, and Sweden which have much smaller populations and much less land and those are the happiest countries in the world

[@anthonyfisher6051]

Caller: “What governments have prevailed with regulations in place? Any governments?” Sam: “Ours. Europe’s....” Caller: “Besides those two!!” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jamalcalypse]

ever notice the "facts don't care about your feelings" crowd are always the most emotionally charged callers

[@ericsimpson4513]

The guy laughing in the background- I want his job.

[@elizamiller512]

I think that's Matt.

[@redlightmax]

@@elizamiller512 I think that's Michael Brooks.

[@heartofgod80]

Me too, I want his job lmao

[@chubbubdreamer6904]

@@redlightmax Oh, it's definitely Michael. Could tell that laugh anywhere.

[@Jamie-pm7we]

:(

[@sejembalm]

When has regulation ever worked? Building standards to withstand earthquakes. The 1989 San Francisco-Oakland (aka Loma Prieta) magnitude 6.9 earthquake killed 67 people and caused more than $5 billion in damages. The 1985 Mexico City 8.0 magnitude earthquake was much stronger and damaging with 10,000 to 65,000 people killed and 412 buildings collapsed and another 3,124 were seriously damaged in the city. The tremendous death and destruction in Mexico City was exasperated by the lack of building regulations and inspection in this Libertarian dereg paradise. People complain about building standards and regulations but they would not wish to live in a place where shoddy building fall apart regularly. But I guess Libertarians would argue that people should have the freedom to live in unsafe unregulated hovels and risk the disasters.

[@LegendaMK]

Bat Guano And then Libertarians would stand around and watch as people express their freedom to bleed out.

[@kdskdkdkdk]

Definite case of the dunning kruger effect.

[@Badartist888]

Wow. You are ahead of the curve using that term.

[@alsax3638]

Libertarianism in a nutshell: "We love weed, and hate the poors."

[@amefuraggamuffin]

Literally my dad's entire political believe system

[@UliaAB]

I have this same experience every time I listen to a libertarian awkwardly attempt to explain their ideology. It's bewildering and confusing, and I always walk away from the conversation thinking "How does this person exist?"

[@lindad6761]

Cutting taxes, reaganomics/rickle down economics didn't work. That policy didn't create jobs - on the contrary - it created the biggest income inequality gap since feudal times

[@blackjacket27]

This caller sounds very ill-informed. Many industries in the United States are regulated on either a state or federal level, or both (i.e. utilities, telecommunications, prescription drugs). To suggest that government regulation does not work is an absolute fallacy. If the individual states and/or federal gov't did not regulate these and other industries, costs could potentially skyrocket and the doorway would open to high levels of corruption and minimal, if any, customer service standards. Kudos to Sam for putting this caller in his place and attempting to educate him!

[@jblacka9459]

His reference of Adam Smith is incorrect. Smith actually said that state intervention for the rich is evil and state intervention for the poor is justified. Smith also supported a limit in the rate of interest that could be charged as just above the market rate. Even Hayek said that a free market finance system would cause instability. The economists they reference were supportive of free markets but saw they had their limits. Libertarians on the other hand are just modern day Leninist, they take one idea and apply it as some universal solution to all of societies problems. Its reductionist nonsense. On Friedman he once wrote a paper saying that the assumptions of theory in economics doesn't matter as long as the results are observed I reality. Macroeconomic theories now assume people can see into the future. Utter nonsense.

[@unclegumbald989]

Dude cites Thomas 👏Sowell 👏and Milton 👏 Friedman 👏I almost died laughing.

[@stormburn1]

I love when people cite Friedman so I can ask them if they agree with him that illegal immigration is good specifically because it’s illegal. Then if they supported Reagan giving amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants while Friedman was advising his administration. They tend to stop citing him after that.

[@Nylon_riot]

I used to inspect water for my state. The caller said he is on well water so he doesn't deal with regulations. Little does he know that the state inspects wells before allowing the house to be lived in to make sure that the well has integrity, isn't compromised, or has contaminated water before he even gets to use it. IF you have the well replaced or worked on, and you can't pass drinking water standards, the state has a right to condemn your well.

[@6idangle]

The example I would use of regulation working is glass steagal.

[@mindoermatta]

+Logan Wallace Source please

[@eblasphamy1]

exactly! friggen idiot! regulation means the FED they hate and wall street are accountable to US! what a fool! lol he used oxymoronicle as a big word! oh man!

[@xorealslowmd]

+Logan Wallace Elizabeth Warren proved it rather succinctly. KZbin "Elizabeth Warren Glass Steagal" Separating commercial banks from investment banks led to nearly 40 years of growth without a major financial collapse. It worked.

[@danendrahartawan9268]

Logan Wallace what countries?

[@vidhead85]

This Libertarian just doesn't know anything.....he's just...far gone lol I can't listen to the whole thing....

[@yourfave]

Once he said he has his well water tested daily.... I gave up.

[@yourfave]

***** They did not check the water because there was anything wrong but because they were crazy. I asked them about what references material did they use to check the water. And testing daily is an overkill.

[@yourfave]

Most of the pollutants might not be tested by a normal kit. Yes, I trust the government you know who I do not trust? Private corporations that pollute our groundwater and surface water (you call them free enterprises in libertarian lingo). And yes I have owned a well and I was glad when I got on the city pipelines, wells are expensive and stuff (I live in New Mexico). But you continue testing your well because you never know the pollutants you might get, I hope he tests for the one that makes him crazy. I was once a libertarian, but then I grew up and left high school and realized our constitution began with 'We the people...' and realized as an individual I can not survive alone. I live in a society and I am a social animal. Libertarianism is for high school boys who have just discovered mustabartion and want to be left alone in the basement to jerk off. Once you start having real relationships with fellow adults you should grow out of it.

[@suvariboy]

"I want you to stay on topic." Did he just tell YOU to stay on topic Sam? LMFAO!

[@samperkins7931]

After seeing this guy lose his absolute shit after every little thing said, I'm not sure Seder was the real reason why this woman left.

[@younooch7656]

Every single libertarian gets so angry, condescending and rude within the first couple of minutes - it’s crazy, they are so insecure And they don’t understand what Pavlov’s dog is about

[@Soviet_Saguaro]

It's because they have zero critical thinking skills so if they don't yell it's not convincing 😂

[@cassandratq9301]

They really are a shouty bunch...

[@jannorman2091]

These libertarian guys that call in from time to time are horribly annoying.

[@Jtkelly10]

Tries a line of argumentation, it doesn't work, immediately wants to pivot to "any other libertarian argument"

[@VanguardSupreme]

Good lord, that was embarrassing. His "limited government" became increasingly less limited as thw conversation wore on. There are libertarians who know what thet're talking about, but this caller seems like he just listened to some people spouting about how much they hate government (particularly the kind who use "Founding Fathers" as an argument in and of itself) and he decided he hates government as well without processing any details why.

[@barryween4478]

If they know what they're talking about, they aren't Libertarians.

[@VanguardSupreme]

@@barryween4478 ...And how! The original comment was made eight years ago, when I was a naive child of 29. My sincerest apologies.

[@dirkvoltaar]

John from Sacramento: “Europe has totally failed.” Europe: “Don’t stress, John. We’re fine.”

[@jamesoblivion]

In a nutshell, "I'm a libertarian, I don't know about economics." I mean, yeah, I'm joking, but also, that's basically what he's saying by the 13 minute mark.

[@nlwilliams31]

This caller's house must be painted with lead base painy.

[@mrx00666]

18:59 I think I about lost it as much as Michael did there.

[@ericjacob8021]

This call never gets old. It's like every libertarian caller almost reaches the logical conclusion before sudden turns.

[@AsparagusG]

"Okay if you're going to include 'philosophically' in this, let me go back to my first question: do you have diarrhea?" Incredible.

[@gerrye114]

The libertarian asked if the FAA didn't exist, would airlines crash into each other. In the 1950 airlines weren't required to submit or adhere to flight plans. In order to drum up business in the free market, airlines would give mini tours when flying over areas like the Grand Canyon. In 1956 a United Airlines aircraft collided with a TWA aircraft when both were giving such tours. All 128 people on board both aircraft were killed

[@dreaminginnoother]

I really like listening to Sam try to talk to these libertarian idiots. Makes me feel less crazy when I try to talk to them myself. There's something that is very disorienting when you talk to enough of these kinds of people long enough.

[@lt3tretrois]

This is sad. He's just parroting things he's heard. Contradictory evidence to the nonsense he's read, makes his head spin.

[@vasp99]

Libertarians are in a snit because candy and gumdrops don't rain from the sky .

[@johnherring4394]

I love how Sam just calmly asks questions and lets them talk........then lowers the hammer....its beautiful to watch

[@SuperVaIle]

Michael screaming "I can't take it anymore" in the background is all of us. Rest in power.

[@ddhqj2023]

I don't know how Sam could do this! I'm tearing my hair out just listening to that guy and I don't have to try and talk to him....good job Sam.

[@bernardbrosnan6428]

This is even funnier as time has gone on. Consider the 2023 submarine implosion where the owner determined that safety regulations were absolutely not required and over-burdensome.

[@dirkvoltaar]

John really subsidized the hell out of the Majority Report on this call.

[@TheJesselopez1981]

I think you mean "substidized."

[@botlarry4437]

Caller: "Give me an example where regulation works" Sam: *gives example caller: "Stop using examples!"

[@joebob3877]

Man that last 3rd of the call goes fully unhinged

[@PokeChampionHQ]

Why does every libertarian always have their own well??

[@ToxicTerrance]

Dude. New dank memes. Pepe with a well in the background. Lmfao

[@kjmps999]

That guy 100% has a crush on whoever left the libertarian party and is trying to impress that person...

[@IcarusLime]

That kind of breaks my heart just a little bit. I wouldn’t wish unrequited love on anyone.

[@MsSHINeeTVXQSuju]

i am dyinggggg, this is the funniest one thus far on my little journey of listening to these....how did i just find this now? lmao

[@benjaminpark5460]

If you think this is good you gotta check out the one with Darryl Perry. Pure comedic gold

[@MsSHINeeTVXQSuju]

@@benjaminpark5460 which one is that? is his name in the title or something? so that i can find it?

[@smaakjeks]

John: Give me an example! Sam: Here's an example. John: That's a specific incidence! Give me a broader example! Sam: Here's a broader example. John: You are so general! Give me a specific example! Sam: Remember that specific example from before? John: That's a specific incidence! Give me a broader example!

[@ibis0921]

“What do you want to talk about?” “I don’t know why you keep bringing these things up?” “Okay, so what do you want to talk about?” “Sam, let’s stay on topic!” Basically the whole conversation.

[@FunnyLookingKidWithTheBigNose]

As a new fan, these flood of libertarian debates are giving me life. I hope there are regulations that never let you die Sam.

[@johnrath9820]

Times this guy moved the goalposts is hilarious

[@claremacdonald4654]

Sam: Would you concede ... in that instance the federal government had created 23 jobs? John: ... For who? Sam: What?!? Me: *cry laughing*

[@tsmith906]

Ill never forget when one of my libertarian AF friends from HS legitimately argued it should be legal to carry an RPG down Main Street with zero licensing.... We havent spoken in a long while

[@TheJonnyEnglish]

The audio subtitles trying to keep up at 11:50 is some of the best comedy around.

[@UnconventionalReasoning]

Friedrich Hayek, Milton Friedman, and Thomas Sowell: three of the economists I think were most wrong over the past century. So fixated on hatred of the government that they ignored the totalitarian power of monopolistic businesses. Keep pressing and government reappears in their ideal society.

[@donanausetcscom]

"You can file a Lawsuit" Without regulations lawsuits don't exist because regulations are what lawsuits are based off of.........

[@Zyreath]

My favorite part is the guy constantly arguing for regulations

[@HeathWatts]

Caller: A is true Sam: A is not true and here is the evidence. Caller: A is not important; however, B is true. Sam: B is not true and here is the evidence. Caller: B is not important; however, C is true. Etc.

[@cuseyeti5243]

So let me get this straight, California lost 7 billion due to air pollution regulations yet it is the 7th largest economy in the entire world?! How exactly is Cali hurt?

[@electricflesh4534]

But you don’t understand! We could have had the 6th largest economy if it weren’t for those darn regulations. lol. 😆 Don’t think about the cost that we would have incurred by dealing with continued pollution and the effects it has on people.