Sam Seder Debates Rich Guys Who Hate Social Security

Sam walks through his recent appearance on the Patrick Bet-David (BPD) Podcast which featured a spirited debate over the future of Social Security.
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[@colico14]

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding." -Upton Sinclair

[@sevensages5279]

Such a profound statement, especially for these times. Upton is a great ✍️.

[@komlat253]

Haha yea. Government bad ,trust us with your money. Look at me

[@Anonymous-bi5pv]

men moment 🍵

[@buckchile614]

They frequently say " I agree" but it's apparently not persuasive enough for them to offer an alternative that affects their taxes. It's okay for their kids to have a hammock, but not anybody else. Not everybody can be king, except perhaps their offspring

[@letsgobrandon9867]

OK.... define woman.... Checkmate.

[@SilentOcalypz]

Equating social security and medicare to grade school pizza parties is classic conservative/libertarian brain rot.

[@sevensages5279]

I had to rewatch when David Pakman was on that podcast and dunked on him a few times. The host was flabbergasted that he couldn't keep repeating talking points.

[@Matt-ru5rw]

They are Trump level scammers. Simpletons.

[@BTrain-is8ch]

Sell people on a program where they benefit disproportionately to what they spend and of course the program is liable to be popular. Flip it and give people a program where their cost is disproportionate to their benefit and of course the program is liable to be unpopular. Free healthcare is an incredibly popular idea. A 12% flat tax to pay for said free healthcare (same way the UK pays for theirs) is incredibly unpopular. Selling people on free things is the equivalent of weekly pizza parties.

[@Ostnizdasht206]

Defintely dumb highschool jock vibes from that dude on the left.

[@martingrey2231]

Shoes are popular because they have utility.

[@RealHooksy]

Rich guys complaining about social security, then putting their hands out for government subsidies, tax breaks, or bail outs🤦🏻‍♂️

[@jeffreycarman2185]

7:06 this also goes back to Sam’s earlier statement, that -not only does Social Security prevents 2/3 of the elderly from falling into poverty, it also helps the younger generation of the those elderly people from having to impoverish themselves to keep their parents, grandparents, or other loved ones alive as they age and their medical needs increase.

[@terryo4352]

yea these guys dont give a fuck if your life falls apart when your elderly parent can no longer take care of themselves, can no longer drive or hear or clean themselves. "i got mine, fuck you" is all they ever fucking think, and I bet they call themselves "patriots" too.

[@happyliving1922]

"I'll teach my kids how to never rely on social security." *Gives kids a small loan of millions of dollars.

[@komlat253]

Haha bro right ?!

[@bryanmack4054]

Of course…in their minds, anything related to the government is bad….private sector tyranny is actually freedom….free to have an abusive boss, struggle to make money to feed yourself and put a roof over your head….but hey, there’s a small chance that you can get rich

[@thanosdarth8651]

That or “I’ll just teach my kids how to screw the rest of the people so that they will never have to rely on SS” that’s essentially billionaires how can they have sleep at night while knowing there terrible people

[@rodolfodoce]

Society is my pocket and my ideology and grift. A fucking hate this type of dude, no matter the background they end up in Florida and become a gusano filho da puta capitalista speculator.

[@abbynormal3068]

Right? Like they have ever had to worry a day in their lives about making it in the world.

[@CB-or6cb]

I am a tax accountant and it's absurd to me that social security has a cap. All it tells me is that the working class contributes all of their money dollar for dollar at 6.2% while the richer get a cap with a less effective rate, but can extract their social security at the max rate (as they should be able to). These are the same people that claim it's an entitlement program, but feel entitled to take their entire share out. Raise the cap, everyone gets a withdrawal raise and less dependency on socializing the American Corporatist 401k system. There's a reason it's popular because it works and it benefits the majority of Americans. It is social insurance and Sam nailed it.

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

Can't have us filthy poors and what's left of the middle class making meaningful progress in life...

[@thecaliforniadream1973]

We should just eliminate FICA taxes altogether. What is the point of taxing labor?

[@gapsule2326]

@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 Its not even progress. Its for retirees so its more like making whats left of life. Working your whole life for a few years of small comfort.

[@CB-or6cb]

@@seankrezanoski6840 who do you mean by "they"? If you are referring to individuals that make more than above the current cap, you should re-read my comment.

[@strider7008]

And when you retire and make it to the age to draw SS and have to get another job to get by, they will tell you that you make too much to draw your social security.

[@Rikaru536]

PBD has a tendency to defensively flip to "personal responsibility" when losing an argument on the merits. This is a great example, saying "but society is better off we all don't need it." AKA 'just make better decisions and you won't need Social Security'. He did this all throughout the podcast.

[@aellaaskew4263]

This disgusts me, when I suffered a spine injury and found out in my state my employer didn't need to carry workers comp in a small company it had nothing to do with planning! I had just moved to the state and it was a new job, In fact it was my "retirement job" something they will never understand needing, so I was in a good position in life. I had planned for the best outcome, and medical tragedy struck as it could to anyone anyday.

[@richardantia]

Just like so many Indians in this country who got out of poverty through education grants and business grants, this dude has a thing for those who couldn't benefit from government Lagasse to get off poverty. Sorry but a lot of folks around here are d*umb,so they see this fraud as an intellectual

[@friskjidjidoglu7415]

This is what happens when you have these business guys trying to discuss politics. It’s capitalist brain

[@josephmother2659]

@@friskjidjidoglu7415you mean MLM (pyramid scheme) guys trying to talk about anything other than scamming 😅

[@suzanneemerson2625]

@@aellaaskew4263 PBD - the most selfish, cruel, mean-spirited personality on the internet. Also the most lacking in compassion. His day is coming. Looks like ALS to me. Can’t buy your way out of that.

[@Dominomfer]

Five minutes earlier in the interview Patrick used popularity as a metric to quantify the greatness of Jordan Peterson.

[@ct6852]

I trust Social Security more than I trust Wallstreet. Not even close.

[@komlat253]

Exactly. Not to mention all those losers love getting well fare when they need a bail out

[@idicula1979]

The problem is we have people in our government, a find it there sole mission to undercut the very government they serve.

[@deanlowdon8381]

@@komlat253 That’s how they all think. Capitalism for the poor, socialism for the rich…

[@Thezuule1]

​@@idicula1979 GOP 101: Break some part of the government intentionally, point at the broken government and exclaim government cannot do anything right.

[@cloudshad0ws]

Seriously... I trust nothing in the hands of capitalists. The only threat to Social Security is the Republican party.

[@kristincastle2162]

I'm a case manager in a hospital and sign older people up for medicaid a lot. There are so many poor working class people like waitresses and cashiers that have to rely on these programs. It just makes me so mad that these conservatives look down on these hard working people because they need these programs.

[@13juju]

Thank You!!!

[@firebrand5588]

Never ever vote Red!

[@bloo9699]

hopefully someday being a conservative will be recognized for the mental illness it is.

[@laurenwalker1048]

It’s MIND BOGGLING that they think (especially as the millionaires they are) that it’s even appropriate to float an idea like taking resources away from *normal non millionaires*

[@rodolfodoce]

@@laurenwalker1048 how do u think they became millionaires? That is the model, ripoff the poor.

[@svilens.viktorov485]

Right wingers: "Popularity is not a way to qualify something" Also right wingers: Don't want to debate Sam Seder because he's not "popular enough".

[@blackniall8509]

Russia bot

[@svilens.viktorov485]

@@blackniall8509 LOL

[@DasPwner]

@@Techlax43 tim pool is that you?

[@SopranoPizzaJMFNJ]

@@DasPwner I will debate and expose this degenerate Liberal fraud Sam Seder anytime or anyplace. He's SO completely wrong and misguided it's laughable.

[@Israel-nb7ip]

​@@Techlax43yeah, bad faith...it's only good faith of you pretend to live in their fantasy world of alternative facts and reactionary politics.

[@ismeal231]

What fascinates me about people like PBD is that they always seem to look at things in society in a vacuum and never ask why things operate the way they do, so when you end up questioning how society would work under their preferred system, they either don't have a clear answer, or they end up just reconstructing the society we live in now.

[@lamentate07]

They usually know why things operate the way they do. They just don't care or think the invisible hand' will sort everything out.

[@Preetvnd]

You know you're talking with adolescents when they compare real-life situations to things that happen in high school.

[@AdamAdam-vr8yi]

Lol that's what I thought

[@davidfaustino4476]

Exactly. Tells you PRECISELY when he stopped developing mentally.

[@freedomofmusic2112]

Everybody knows Social Security is just like promising pizza parties in high school, because both keep 1/3 of senior citizens out of poverty! Oh wait...

[@bikboto-zx6my]

Entitled children like you who have zero self responsibility, always complaining when govenrment doesn't hand out enough for yall to live your loser lives. Hard work is racism!

[@seanwhitehall4652]

Especially when it's to avoid the point being made.

[@garycpriestley]

I watched David P interview this guy and it was equally as frustrating. Watching wealthy selfish conservatives argue to perpetuate inequality is so infurating.

[@s.u.2320]

He never lets anyone speak. He’s so obnoxious and condescending.

[@haroldlebo2005]

PBD runs an MLM in insurance

[@Maya_Ruinz]

David Pakman wiped the floor with those guys, I'm sure David is still finding bits under his shoe from that disaster.

[@morganwartman8507]

David little P and Sammy were so cringe I had to stop watching the podcast halfway through or I’d have lost too many brain cells 😂

[@2ndtonone1000]

@@Maya_Ruinz I don't think we watch the same interview as I did. Pakman made some decent points but definitely wasn't wiping the floor with them. There were a couple of times he looked lost just like they looked lost on certain things he was talking about.

[@joeymorris4589]

I discovered the PBD show when Kyle was on. PBD and his co-host are completely insufferable. They solely judge someone’s worth as a human based on their bank account and if you aren’t wealthy they classify it as a moral failure on your part. They will make you feel guilty for sleeping 4 hours a night instead of out there “grinding”.

[@420awhp9]

You sound poor

[@TheFailedmessiah]

I can admit to being broke and a “failure” based on my own decisions and mental health. I have a lot of things holding me back. I work two jobs. But ultimately it is my own fault why I’m not better off. How many people can honestly say that? Probably not many. I’m just honest when I say I’m a loser.

[@SefirothPH]

@@TheFailedmessiah The logic falls apart completely when you look at it honestly and apply reason for like 10 seconds instead of using gut instinct and knee jerk reactions. Can everybody be successful? Can everyone be a manager, can everyone be the doctor, can everyone be a CEO or shareholder in their own corporation? Who will flip the burgers? Who will cut the lumber? Who will mix the cement? For every person occupying a leather chair in a office getting funneled their workers' profit, there's thousands who logically cannot occupy that chair. By design, it's just how capitalism works. You're not a loser, you're an exploited worker.

[@fayeb.5855]

Medicare and Social Security are so effective, AND seniors love the programs regardless of party affiliation. Young Americans. ask your grandparents and parents.

[@thegreyhoundnyc]

Sam is a saint for having to suffer these fools.

[@Shlomo8561]

He is def a Mensch

[@thegreyhoundnyc]

@@Shlomo8561 lightweight dis?

[@PLr1c3r]

@@thegreyhoundnyc A mensch, in Yiddish, is a person of integrity, morality, dignity, with a sense of what is right and responsible

[@Feefa99]

Seriously Patrick is like neanderthal about economics

[@reaceness]

But, like: Are they fools, or are they gaslighting us? I can't tell anymore...

[@kp8129]

Bet David made his money through PHP which is an MLM scheme disguised as insurance, where his only customers are his insurance agents. The only way to sign up for a policy is by becoming an agent, then the agent gets other people to sign up also as agents, and the fee they pay gets passed on the books as signing up for a policy, that's how they make it seem like their business is insurance, when in reality it is a get rich quick scheme. This guy is incredibly shady, and I'm glad you went to his show and kept him on his toes. (But should have done your research on his MLM company and should have brought it up during the episode)

[@TimNewmanGaming]

Actually you are right. I don't know these guys but multiple people in these comments have said it's the MLM scams. 😂

[@kp8129]

@@TimNewmanGaming I have followed his podcast since it started because at first, I was interested in the topics they covered then found out he is a scammer and have done research on this for quite a while. It is impossible to buy a policy from his company because they are fake; Also, Matt Sapaula, (who is a senior board council on pats company, has been on multiple episodes of his pod, whom pat considers to be his "right hand man") was under investigation in Chicago for pretending to be a financial advisor and defrauding alot of people from their retirement plans. I mentioned in another comment that im not surprised pat sold his company to distance himself from the MLM label

[@sevensages5279]

@kp8129 Wow! That guy Matt claims to be a Christian too! What a snake! 🪱 . I've noticed Patrick has been virtue signaling about him being a Christian as well . No wonder they like trump so much, he's a deceitful business person just like them. Appreciate your post.

[@Matt-ru5rw]

I looked him up when he was talking to the Konkrete guy and daw that MLM thing. He wreaks of scammer listening to him talk. He talks fast and authoritative while saying dumb shit. He'll be a preacher soon.

[@sevensages5279]

@Matt-ru5rw I saw him when he was on w/ Coffeezilla and he filibustered the entire hour. Coffeezilla did an exposè on him before and Patrick came on to defend his company. (How can he defend a company where nearly 95% of the licensed agents make less than minimum wage!) Unfortunately Coffeezilla wasn't as well prepared as he could have been. The comments ripped hard on Patrick though.

[@MarshallVeeMarshall]

Bless Sam for being able to talk assertively to the scammy guys.

[@Smokey_Smokes710]

Ironically, they called him a grifter afterward 😂

[@yevgenitiger]

@@Smokey_Smokes710 Which he is. It's simple. Grifters on both sides.

[@vikasbiliye5023]

Every youtube creator is a grifter.

[@SefirothPH]

@@yevgenitiger A grifter is somebody who will push something or advocate something that they profit from even though they don't believe in the product or believe in the rhetoric themselves. You'd be hard pressed to convince anybody that Sam does not believe in his positions lol.

[@otzenfree1998]

​@@SefirothPHor that he profits from the goverment programs he believes are a right

[@joebloe6263]

People opposing social security are ignoring the fact that workers pay into this fund their entire working lives. Do they think this should become a slush fund for the government while they starve to death when they are no longer able to work?

[@sethmann6397]

PBD is the king of the anecdote. He thinks he wins every argument with those.

[@raynwolfsbane2084]

That's what Chomsky pointed out

[@josephmother2659]

Tim pool, Jordan Peterson, Patty, they all default to anecdotes when their argument (usually a weak one) runs its course

[@thomasc7119]

Shocking how those who don’t need Social Security don’t want anyone else to have it.

[@brandonsetter]

Its not my responsibility to insure others survival, why should i waste a second of my finite time in this life working to help someone who i know nothing about, i dont know that persons character, i don't know if they beat their kids, or wife. Why should i be so willing to help and spend my time away from my son accumulating resources for other people that i care much less about then my kin?

[@otakukid34]

@@brandonsetter well, when you’re NOT completely selfish, you’ll find that no matter how much you want to deny it, you are dependent on others for your survival as well.

[@unreasonablyagreeable1081]

​@Lets talk about it shall we. Homie, you were literally birthed in a public hospital and you're going to be 75 years old with no friends, no family in a nursing home living off of social security just like the libertarian queen Ayn Rand. Go make some friends before you find yourself living alone for the rest of your sorry life.

[@brandonsetter]

@@otakukid34 umm like who tell me who is the person who is insuring that I put food on the table other then me

[@nickaldrich2281]

​@@brandonsetter So many people rely on these programs not out of convenience but out of necessity for a number of reasons. You saying I shouldn't have to pay into something that I don't need personally but it also genuinely helps other people tells me all I need to know about you. You'll feel much better helping others rather than always helping yourself👍👍👍

[@WilliamBrowning]

They're called 'entitlements' because you are and should be ENTITLED to them. It's a basic human dignity that we have agreed everyone should have. That's NOT something to be ashamed of. We did good. Let's do more.

[@Zb_Calisthenic]

I happen to like pbd, but when Sam hit them with the " no no, I'm looking at the social security trust fund actuarial data" I almost spit out my tea! Sam is an intelligent guy, best come prepared if you're to have him on the show! Awesome work, Sam.

[@TheFailedmessiah]

He came off like an npc when it came to vaccines,

[@meddlesomemusic]

@@TheFailedmessiah you come off like an NPC with this comment

[@TheFailedmessiah]

@@meddlesomemusic hey buddy, knock yourself out with all the vaccines in the world,

[@ameerhamid89]

​@@TheFailedmessiahplease don't use NPC unironically

[@lewismckenzie236]

You don't need to be prepared you just need a basic grasp of reasoning and logic 😂 Seder is by far the most disingenuous political commentator at present. The moment he's confronted with someone who won't play his games he's lost.

[@whowantstorunforpresident5531]

I thoroughly enjoyed when BPD was caught staring dejectedly at the floor right after Sam destroyed his ridiculous pull-yourself-up-by-the-bootstraps trope about how he would raise his sons to not need social security by reminding him that he was an insurance salesman.

[@healthygrowth7760]

A multi level marketing insurance borderlinescam which is even worse lol

[@healthygrowth7760]

@@adamp108 would have been very i interesting if they brought it up

[@shmurk9829]

I also loved how Sam stuttered when asked about taxing the rich 90% and then changed his stance to only people richer than him 🤣

[@glennyoungkindid9116]

@@shmurk9829 so?

[@applecatnyango]

​@@shmurk9829 Just another fool who does not understand the concept of *marginal tax rate* nor cares to learn.

[@Cheyanne111376]

I was hit head on by a drunk driver a week before my 18th birthday. I have been disabled my whole adult life. If it was up to these guys, my children and I would starve to death.

[@GreensburgBulletin]

Facts

[@screenarts]

If it was up to them, you'd have died from starvation and the elements. They are disgusting individuals.

[@solangegregory4810]

I was freaking furious at that moron’s comments about how “if he raised his kids right” they wouldn’t need to rely on Social Security. Just because someone needs assistance doesn’t mean they were bad people or their parents raised them wrong. Comments like that are where I’m disappointed in Sam for not going off on that guy.

[@jenneast8611]

They wouldn't care, it means more money for them.

[@Jeremy-hx7zj]

Guys like this literally cannot imagine themselves being In a position like yours. I promise you they're all absolutely certain that their bodies would be too strong to be broken. They're probably drunk drivers themselves.

[@2cents4free]

“If I raise my kids right they won’t need social security “ Wow.

[@terryo4352]

especially coming from a guy who worked in insurance?? its there *in case* you need it, ITS SOCIAL SECURITY INSURANCE. but I'm sure in his time working in insurance he saw it for what insurance usually is: a scam. he profited off of peoples' fear of the future and now wants to keep more of his money by eliminating the little protections people have left that can keep them out of poverty ONLY at a certain age. disgusting.

[@dimasakbar7668]

​@@terryo4352insurance can be like that because in US it is so deregulated compared to elsewhere, to the point that the insurance can decide the price and decide when it want to pay or not. Elsewhere in the world, financial services were heavily regulated so that it is less predatory in nature.

[@infinitytoes7424]

If I build my house right I won’t need insurance on it 😂😂😂😂 Patrick is an interesting fellow

[@smb161]

@@infinitytoes7424 He’s talking about insurance for future house payments. 😂 😂😂 whoooo you don’t know SHTTTT!

[@420awhp9]

Good to know you plan on raising your kids to be leeches on the state 👍🏻

[@andwhat]

Amazing of Sam to speak to these guys and not lose his absolute mind

[@acbower4468]

Huh?

[@gibbsm]

@@acbower4468 those guys are uneducated, guys that are in an "un-deserved" position in life, he's a conman, so he doesn't know the intricacies of economics, let alone finance. He's an idiot with a lot of money, so he thinks he knows all about "money" since he just happens to have a lot, due to scamming, not real work.

[@TheGr8one1022]

Sam got owned dude

[@420awhp9]

Sam was squirming like a typical communist when confronted with the touch realities about consumers and producers in the economy… communists are consumers, capitals are producers… the lazy party in this instance will always believe they’re right, because it serves them

[@williamjameslehy1341]

@@TheGr8one1022 when?

[@jackgray7526]

These chumps had nothing but platitudes to answer Sam with. How embarrassing.

[@colico14]

That's always the case on that podcast. It doesn't matter how many times they get schooled and made to look foolish, they just stubbornly regurgitate the same right-wing economic talking points over and over again.

[@stefanlvkc7986]

It's pretty much half of PBD's content. The other half is a mix of moronic anecdotes, pushing MLM schemes, and BS.

[@Sloimer]

They’re classic rise and grind bro types. Definitely not intellectual heavyweights. They truly believe in the capitalism love story - Patrick has a painting of him sitting and having a debate with George Washington. Not atypical of first generation entrepreneurs from that region of the world (Iran). They are absolutely in love with the myth of American exceptionalism, but I can empathize with why. PBD will always cite how bad Iran was for the reason he loves America.

[@brianlivingstonjr.7324]

@@stefanlvkc7986 But, but, but they're commerce creators!!

[@quinnishappy5309]

What, like your vapid generality you just espoused here....genius.

[@sageohio1864]

Sam that wasn't fair, you talked facts

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

Even many of the brainless dikheds that make up the fanbase of this trash podcast were smart enough to see that Seder destroyed these chodes. But of course he did... Destiny arrives all the same when it comes to the great Thanos Seder lololol.

[@jerrys5946]

When I was a young man I bought into the idea that I could save and invest better than Social Security could provide. And I did, for several years I was saving half my take home pay. I was single and had no dependents so it was possible. But all my personal savings and investments don't come close to what SS and medicare and my govt pension provide. I feel very fortunate that I am a beneficiary of these programs and I started to appreciate it in my fifties, now in my seventies.I could see private pensions being replaced by 401K programs and I thought at that time, this is a disaster waiting to happen. I don't see any way a person with a family and a good job could ever have a decent retirement without these benefits. People at the lower income levels are just screwed, both now with high rent and inflation and in their later years with conservatives constantly targeting these programs.

[@freedomofmusic2112]

Just finished watching the full debate. Sam crushed it!!! Even with multiple people trying to steamroll the conversation, Sam was able to hit back with clear, concise retorts. He demonstrated multiple times that those guys don't give a f*ck about the well-being of senior citizens and working class people. It was a thing of beauty, well done Sam!!!

[@MrLuRoc]

What interview did you watch? Lol

[@EnhanceYourTrajectory]

If you actually watched the interview you noticed Sam's steam rolling and narcissistic tendencies, he never said your right I don't think even once. Pbd is very open to debate not just echo chambers.

[@nocucksinkekistan7321]

Social security is a violation of my human rights

[@420awhp9]

Sam literally got his leftist, commie- scum, butt handed to him 😂😂😂

[@austondunnington4653]

You Seeder fans are fucking blind. Claiming victory😂😂😂 we HAD to have watched a different video😅

[@beetman]

God that Bet guy is so delusional. Watched his Bodybuilder interviews.

[@colico14]

He's not interested in persuasive arguments. He has been schooled so many times and he just keeps on repeating the same broad, vague, right-wing talking points. He has his stubborn, preconceived fundamentalist capitalist narrative and it's clear he has no interest in changing that.

[@Toastcat890]

He's a bodybuilder that explains his shitty attitude.

[@Jo-ik6un]

He’s just a simple minded person. He always sees things only from one angle. He is insufferable.😊

[@SouthernSilverExchange]

Hes a tool. Thats all

[@arnabiarnab3037]

Now you know why NOBODY wants to debate Sam…. The guys knowledge level is on another level, and he’s able to break everything down to a point that anyone can understand Keep it up….

[@Sloimer]

Yep.

[@Walter-Anderson]

That and his ability to keep his cool talking to these inhuman monsters

[@Sloimer]

@@Walter-Anderson ok take it easy lol

[@icemanvamp7433]

You must not have seen him get embarrassed by Brianna joy gray

[@theunholinesswithin70]

@@icemanvamp7433 KZbin link?

[@Tms559]

I call it social stimulus. Economics 101, people receive $/social security payments and the $ is spent, not saved, not invested, the $ becomes income for landlords, grocery stores, local taxes….

[@crotchy7667]

The PBD crew has trouble understanding the concept of people dying, so they had to lean on a mataphor about pizza. 😂

[@sevensages5279]

Sam, that guy Patrick got rich running a sleazy MLM insurance company where nearly 95% of the licensed agents make less than minimum wage while he got rich. Coffeezilla exposed his MLM co.

[@laurenwalker1048]

Anyone who runs an MLM is a disgusting pos in my mind. What an incredibly shitty thing to do to people - promise them financial freedom and their own “business” only to make them your customer. The amount of free labor people do when they join MLMs is staggering. The amount of people who *lose* money is proof enough of that. Such an incredibly disgusting and exploitative business model.

[@52flyingbicycles]

I love it when conservatives compare popular policies to giving kids a pizza party. Really shows their paternalism and how they view people as a whole. Very strange. Supposedly adults are omniscient cyborgs who can perfectly analyze every single factor in a purchase, but the moment you give them a vote on the economy as a whole they are a hungry teenager

[@bajes328]

It's more that they assume that the only ones who deserve anything - even to survive - are the SuPeR SmART OnES who (according to them) create all the value.

[@chadalpha7983]

And why hate pizza parties?

[@thatwildginger5423]

​@@bajes328 the ones who had their money at SVB let's not forget 😏

[@TheBayFoto]

100%. They make jokes about high school drug dealers and pizza parties because, to them, America is based on meritocracy; the elite are smart and the poor are dumb. They’re couldn’t be more transparent about their greed.

[@bikboto-zx6my]

@thatwildginger Only people who had money in SVB were Democrat Cronies, bailed out by Obiden

[@dustinanddylc]

So happy to see you on PBD! What’s crazy is that guy Adam is the liberal on the show lol. I wish you knew that he built his insurance business on free labor! It’s an MLM insurance business that pays half the commissions of most regular insurance companies, and the type of insurance they sold was life insurance

[@vexthecat8271]

Those guys have so much unearned confidence it’s crazy

[@titonothere6179]

All the coke they do

[@vexthecat8271]

@@titonothere6179 do they really?

[@titonothere6179]

@@vexthecat8271 i wouldn’t be surprised. I know agents be drinking on their jobs while filling out client’s application for life insurance

[@1m2rich]

Arrogance of the rich.

[@cooldrop02]

Guys. If you want to see the angriest fans of Jordan Peterson that exist please go to the comment section of the clip where Sam calls him insane

[@mlbrady61]

So much butt hurt.

[@sevensages5279]

The last time I heard about JP was when he was fooled into thinking a porno of a machine "milking" a man was for real! He thought it was some kind of CCP punishment tool . He was roasted so bad he deleted his tweet and his daughter admitted him back in the hospital!

[@cw9475]

That comment section is insane. Full of weird JP sycophants that say they follow his word like gospel. Eughhhh

[@Riverandsun]

Straight up Sam: He’s a lunatic 😂

[@cooldrop02]

One dude I was conversing with took that s*** so personally. Like Sam called HIM a lunatic.

[@tylerhackner9731]

Eat the rich

[@wizzyone6789]

lol. have you seen PBDs following? He has a lot of deluded following. He will send his sycophant to eat you before you get to him.

[@sevensages5279]

The thing is, that guy Patrick didn't even get rich running a legitimate business. He ran a sleazy MLM insurance company where nearly 95% of the licensed agents make less than minimum wage while he got rich. They seek out desperate people to recruit to sell insurance. They tell the recruits how easy it is to make 6 figures selling insurance. Then they sell the recruit an insurance policy. And the cycle repeats itself. The entire goal is to recruit suckers, get them licensed, and sell them insurance. Coffeezilla did a great exposé on this guy's sleazy MLM.

[@Feefa99]

@@sevensages5279 for real? I have to check Coffeezilla now

[@Death_By_Media]

Nous ńavons plus de gâteau

[@erinthesystem9608]

THANK YOU for again reminding us all that we are citizens, not mere "consumers."

[@marisameans9859]

Social security is MY money not an entitlement

[@suzanneemerson2625]

Actually, no. Once you’ve paid money in, it belongs to the government. You can’t ask for it back and get it back. It’s theirs. Also, consider this: The majority of Americans get way more out of Social Security and Medicare than they ever pay in.

[@billy9497able]

How ridiculous that he equated giving out weed to high school kids to people’s social security and health insurance. What a crazy thing to say

[@jessetorres8738]

I firmly believe that we need to implement a sick leave as well as maternity & paternity leave programs for all workers in this country. I personally feel that every time worker in this country regardless of their job should be guaranteed at least 2 weeks of sick leave & 2 weeks vacation per year. In addition to guaranteed sick leave, we also need to allow both mothers & fathers who just had a baby to be guaranteed time off with pay as well, so that way businesses can ensure that their employees at all levels can come into work feeling their best & contributing their best physically and mentally everyday. Finally, I firmly believe that "Working Poor" should not be a thing! If you work full time every week of the year, you shouldn't be living at or below the poverty line in this country! Hence why I feel there should be a Universal Basic Income for every American citizen above the age of 16 based on what the poverty level is so that way no one who works full time should have to financially struggle to get by.

[@peterclarke7240]

Two weeks of vacation? Mate, look at Europe. Two weeks of vacation is pathetic. Even in the UK, a notoriously horible country for worker's rights, we get over 5 weeks of paid holiday. I moved to the states in the 2000s, and I was absolutely appalled by your labour laws. No wonder everyone's either off their face on pain meds or going postal. Jeez.

[@satiricgames2129]

Yeh you ned to join the rest of social democracy's

[@morganwartman8507]

@@satiricgames2129 you need to join an English class

[@jemt1631]

@@peterclarke7240 It just goes to show how brainwashed we are in the US that even some leftists only want two weeks of paid vacation.

[@tylerj7298]

Well in Finland they get 1 year of payed maternity leave and 30 days of payed vacation days and they were ranked the happiest country in the world for the 6th year in a row. And also free health care.

[@fayeb.5855]

I was in the private health insurance industry for years. The private sector is extremely expensive (gotta pay those layers of managers, execs) and not efficient. Admin. costs for private was, at least 18%, several years ago. Medicare admin. costs stay at 3-4%.

[@Brolo214]

These guys should just come out and say it: “I think people deserve to die if they didn’t win the capitalist game like I did.”

[@c.m.o.logistics9215]

Dear Sam , I was impressed by your guest appearance on that show ( PBD?), I truly feel confident to say you may be one of the best public speakers or debaters I have listened to!

[@quinnishappy5309]

He doesnt know anything. When asked questions Sam's main rebuttal was, i dont anything about that, but let me espouse some idealism to you...

[@LeeH688]

@@quinnishappy5309 Hey Quinn buddy, you can’t tell outright lies when people have just watched the video for themselves and know that you’re lying. Keep harassing everyone in the comments here. Totally healthy behaviour and not at all a sign of being irredeemable narcissist.

[@onomatopoeia162003]

He has gone to PoliticalCon whatever it was called years back. Have you watched that?

[@quinnishappy5309]

@@LeeH688 really...thats strange because in the field manual for narcisstic behaviour. I dont see, 'commenting on other peoples opinions' as being a trait of that mental disorder. By commenting on mine, twice, are you trying to tell everyone, (like only a narcissist would) youre double the narcissist I am, or, are you just a bored sycophant of Sam?

[@thefruch7588]

@@LeeH688 His handle is quite ironic because I bet you he is in fact not happy judging by the dumb comments he is espousing on here.

[@Matt-ov1qp]

"Wow, he talked to these idiots?" That was my first thought when seeing this thumbnail.

[@freedomofmusic2112]

LMAO same here!

[@skateforgirl2099]

When SS was first implemented you had over 60 tax payers per SS recipient. Now you have 4 taxpayers per SS recipient. Explain how that’s sustainable?

[@rubenferreira1324]

I said it a couple times and I'm gonna say it again...the animosity some people have towards social security and other social programs has a LOT more to do with "I got mine, f*ck everybody else!" than with some altruistic concern about it being effective for society or not...let's get that straight, shall we?!

[@satyasyasatyasya5746]

I saw Sam in the thumbnail of that video from this podcast/show I'd never heard of and clicked for a couple minutes. Those rich guys are just... yeesh. How on earth do you even talk to people like that and honestly, I spotted a lot of shady and insidious rhetoric/dog whistles Sam seemed like he missed. But then they throw so much out at once how could you even address everything? The thing is, "rich" isn't just a state of being so far as ones bank account, its a state of mind: specifically one with diminished empathy, short-sightedness and frankly, the feeling that being mean is cool/smart. And this isn't something you can reaosn people out of. But it is what informs their every political 'opinion.' You can almost smell it.

[@lyudmilapavlichenko7551]

In situations like that you have to pretend you don't notice the dog whistle. If you do then they just deny it and screech about "you call everyone racist". You either have to ask them to clarify and hold their feet to the fire or ignore it so they can't pivot away from a L.

[@waltonsmith7210]

So basically, evil. To put it more bluntly.

[@williammartinez840]

Well said.

[@quinnishappy5309]

You dont get out much do you? Your words seem very closed minded and bigoted towards people youve never met. If you ever feel like being less bigoted to others try getting out more and talking to more people, it might help improve the negativity you espouse through your words.

[@AmandaTroutman]

David Pakman also rolled these guys

[@henrywilliamson8798]

So happy to hear Sam went on PBD! Been waiting for this!

[@birdlover7776]

@jcorb same

[@Zb_Calisthenic]

Same. Watched the entire thing. One of my favorite pods of all time.

[@raf4992]

He looked like a fecking eejit... His ideas only work in LaLa Land..

[@LostInTheMovies]

Welcome to the world of PBD lol. Every sentence/interruption is a new digression, it's a hell of a way to conduct a conversation.

[@stephanbergmann8373]

Agreed. They not only interrupt the guest, they ignore every argument you make AND it’s always two guys against one. Awesome way to “own the libs” 🤔

[@LostInTheMovies]

@@stephanbergmann8373 I'll give him credit at least for having ideologically diverse guests. That's increasingly a rarity among the supposed "debate Me bro" right wing poseur podcasts

[@420awhp9]

Tell me you’re a communist without telling me you’re a communist

[@crismcdonough2804]

As a pissed off 60 year old who has worked 43 years, please please please send them to my house for a debate.

[@MrPhotodoc]

Sam: What is it that you do do? Rich guys: A whole lotta nothing.

[@WTFBUTWHY]

That’s just something broke people say. Patrick came from true poverty. He obviously did something

[@gibbsm]

@@WTFBUTWHY dude running a ponzi insurance scam isn't "making it in life", if so , Al Capone is someone to look up to. Capone and Ponzi are contemporaries.

[@WTFBUTWHY]

@@gibbsm whatever makes you feel better about your self.

[@07Flash11MRC]

@@WTFBUTWHY "Patrick came from true poverty.": Define "true poverty".

[@WTFBUTWHY]

@@07Flash11MRC a poor immigrant Not a white kid who only has $15 left after his Starbucks and $5 water

[@jackeagleeye3453]

I'm not a fan of PBD but I gotta at least give him respect for having opposing views on. One of the few conservatives that will actually expose his audience to people that are critical of their beliefs.

[@Nsuage]

He talked to David Pakman as well

[@johnsonsandra8069]

True but if you read any of his audience's comments..they like most right wingers lack that extremely important critical thinking skill

[@ricomajestic]

@@Nsuage and Kyle Kulinski!

[@jackeagleeye3453]

@@johnsonsandra8069 Agreed, but let's get real, a lot of those same people probably also think the election is rigged and that Qanon is real. If Sam gets through to like even 1% of the people, it's a win.

[@ChillAssTurtle]

That bar is so low i dont think this is even worth praising.. do you kiss your dog every time it doesnt murder a baby like wtf are we talking about rn

[@indieguy81]

I thought Sam demonstrated a lot of patience during the entire conversation with these clowns. For literally every topic discussed, their ultimate measuring stick of what's considered successful is does it make money, let rich people keep their money, etc. Money money money. That's it. That's all they care about. The way they all laughed and reacted to him when he said in a different segment that he doesn't believe billionaires should exist was very telling. They couldn't believe it.

[@LotusHart01]

Sam handled that moment well. Inspired me to be less insecure in myself in a similar situation.

[@acbower4468]

Because it’s an idiotic concept to suggest that there aren’t billionaires.

[@indieguy81]

@@acbower4468 He never said there aren’t billionaires. That would be stupid because it’s obviously false. He said he thinks no one should be a billionaire, and many people agree with him, including me.

[@nocucksinkekistan7321]

Shut up you greedy bastard, stop trying to tax me for your welfare programs

[@jackvanoss]

The irony is when Sam is talking, their silence doesn't mean they are listening...it's the exact opposite.

[@dontsayitisntbecauseitis3845]

I’ve seen this PBD set-up a few times, and what’s amazing to me is how it’s possible to get really rich in the US without understanding how huge parts of it work. And that, if you don’t want to understand something, you can have it explained to you infinite times, accept the rationale, and then the next time you talk about it, you haven’t moved an inch.

[@420awhp9]

Actually he ran a business, you Commie-scum should try it sometime … then you won’t need social security and leech off the producers in the economy

[@titonothere6179]

@@taranullius9221 it’s a bootleg MLM actually. He copied and pasted WFG business model, Mission, vision, system and presentations.. hahaha dude stright up stole their idea after being there for 9 years. He’s a con- man! He only become a public figure to get attention to only in- directly recruit he’s followers to he’s MLM

[@titonothere6179]

It’s easier to fool then convince ppl a wise man ones said.. don’t believe him. He’s not as rich as you think. He rents not owns most of he’s stuff. Typically MLM tactics, just for ppl to see him as super successful/ rich so he can say, if I can do it you can too!! Join for $200!

[@RJ-nd3qb]

​@@taranullius9221Wow, quite the socialists' take. So anyone who becomes successful only did it by "ripping people off". ​

[@xtinkerbellax3]

@@RJ-nd3qb Do you not know how MLMs work?

[@alicem0227]

There is a specific type of person that whenever they see something they don't understand they think it's either stupid or useless. Conservatives tend to do this a lot

[@tsharabrown3719]

It keeps 2/3s of elderly people out of poverty, but on the other hand wealthy people would make a little less money... Hmmm... Do I care about starving poor old people or whether someone can buy a third private jet? I wonder....

[@robertpresley1503]

Oh God it's these guys again. I watched their discussion with Kyle Kullinski and facepalmed about as much as I did at this.

[@onomatopoeia162003]

Even David went on there.

[@illshot2785]

​@jcorb agreed, I like Kyle, but he doesn't like to push back enough when he goes on these type of shows.

[@screenarts]

@jcorb because Kyle wants to join them on the golf course. He's wealthy now too.

[@freedomofmusic2112]

Lol yeah they're very stupid and morally heinous. It was great watching Sam crush them.

[@gibbsm]

Kyle is, has, and always will be a super-lightweight. I used to watch him a decade ago when it was religion based, but he got too annoying once he branched out.

[@ixcibit8774]

This guy seems so scared to let Sam talk lol

[@seekingmycreator6645]

If more people had better financial literacy 60% of these big businesses would be gone.

[@sgtleska]

I'd hate to see these gentlemen talk to their partners. I sense narcissism, ego, and "tough guy" vibes. So alpha it's beta... Thanks Sam, for speaking truth to the deluded. *Salutes*

[@UsernameNeutrality]

They're bigtime meatheads and it's pretty clear they know they are pushing self-serving BS too.

[@haselbasil2488]

They have recently started to push the whole mysoginistic red pill stuff, that tells you a lot about them.

[@Matt-ru5rw]

Very beta.

[@fdub301]

Love how Sam still sneak dissed Crowder & Pool

[@fdub301]

@@martymcfly88mph35 no.

[@fdub301]

@@martymcfly88mph35 no, you're just a very easily fooled dummy.

[@gierbolini90210]

@@martymcfly88mph35 get a life dipshit

[@mike196212]

Never amazes me to see a roundtable of rich guys complaining about absolutely nothing.

[@Cjones322]

This guy is the center of his universe. He doesn't enjoy his meals unless he knows someone else is starving and in poverty.

[@shiloh5000g]

Less than .5% of the active employees that work for PBD's company make a living wage. The next .5% is something like 30k for the year. The other 99% make between $200 and $4000 or something like that. FOR THE YEAR. And this doesn't take into account all the people who dropped out when they realize it's just a big MLM scheme. It's gross.

[@sevensages5279]

Yeah, he claims to be a data guy. I bet he doesn't want that data getting out. 🤣🤣🤣 The level of ignorance from his sycophants is astounding. 🫣

[@abbynormal3068]

What gets me is the total lack of respect for those who have worked their entire lives, have raised children, have paid their taxes (which people like these CEOs are able to loophole out of) and have generally done their best to make a dollar out of 99 cents. The heroic people who have continued on, making minimum wage and working more than one job to make ends meet, have done so without expectations of anything from anyone but themselves- and Social Security, which they paid into Their Whole Lives! The insurance CEO’s snide comment about “capitalists over-tax” to keep Soc Sec funded, as if they Carry the workers, (when it’s the other way around) infuriates me. Workers made their massive wealth possible! That, and the fact that insurance companies are experts at ripping people off. This disrespect permeates our society and is making good, honest hardworking people miserable.

[@Here4TheHeckOfIt]

Well said. They are strangely blind to their own callousness. The problem with ideology is it's too inflexible to deal with reality as it plays out in real time.

[@ArchlordZer0]

We don't deserve Sam. He's a gem.

[@RJ-nd3qb]

You're right, please keep him away from our youth. He's making them more and more retarded by the second.

[@FDR_progressive_liberal]

I've never met anyone on Medicare who doesn't love Medicare.

[@mdaddy775]

Those guys came directly from a Jordan Belfort party

[@grouchomarx209]

I love the observation about Libertarians made by the late, great, Christopher Hitchens who said "I have always found it quaint and rather touching that there is a movement in the US that thinks Americans are not yet selfish enough."

[@cindycressler1239]

Drives me nuts when they call them entitlements ,I payed for 54 yrs into s/s & Medicare with the understanding that I would get it back . Is there a cap on Medicare ,why then on s/s . Entitlements are all the bogus deductions the rich are allowed

[@NWOALERT]

Sam did great. I wish Michael was around to go on shows. God what that guy would be doing right now. 😢

[@15mmGustavus]

Michael would have been amazing on there they would have had a tough time against him

[@edwright7436]

Sam got owned

[@firewithfire848]

If you think Sam did great then you didn’t watch the entire podcast. Only this clip Sam cherry picked himself.

[@sd-vx6bo]

@@edwright7436 i don’t think steven crowder fans have the intellectual capacity to come to that conclusion

[@edwright7436]

@@sd-vx6bo why talk about crowder?? Who even brought him up?

[@GlassesAndCoffeeMugs]

I have never been impressed with the PBD guys. Seems like they are going out of their way to give you wealthy perspectives and argue against common sense issues like M4A. I am always skeptical of people who play "devil's advocate" on a clearcut issue like M4A.

[@paulcoder4530]

Thanks, Sam. I got laid off in the 2008 housing collapse and my 401K tanked at the same time. I decided to move to California with much less in savings and Social Security has been that needed insurance.

[@420awhp9]

You moved to California so you can pay the highest taxes in the country, and that’s your plan to recover, financially? you sound super intelligent

[@titonothere6179]

@@420awhp9 hahaha most be a PBD fan

[@danteyoutu]

Wow Sam Wow!! That was amazing. You even used the fact that the guy works in insurance against him. Impressive

[@NaanProphet]

Patrick asks the weirdest gotcha questions framed as something else. “If you had to have bacon in a peanut butter and jelly sandwich or ontop of ice cream but you weren’t the one paying for it, which would you chose? It’s a very simple question, answer the question…” and if you stray, you better believe he will come back to it.

[@420awhp9]

Surprise surprise, a black communist who wants the state to pay for his lifestyle 🥱 move to San Fran, they might give you $7.6M for being lazy and incompetent 👍🏻

[@titonothere6179]

I mean, he runs an MLM insurance “ financial services company “ it’s a much of 18-26 y/rs

[@hayesc0]

These dudes are silly. Good job Sam.

[@wizzyone6789]

They are there to sell their hyper-capitalist ideas to young men. Read their comment section, you will understand.

[@kevinknight8889]

My exact view on SSI...TAKE THAT CAP UP...DOUBLE IT..ONLY EXTREME WEALTH WOULD AFFECTED..AND STILL NOT DAMAGED...THE BENEFITS TO SOCIETY WOULD BE IMMENSE..

[@jaredgreathouse3672]

Jesus I hate these two🤣🤣🤣🤣 MAN I've never heard a more "anecdote" person in my life, this dude always has personal stories he appeals to, without a shed of irony, not stopping to think EVEN ONCE, that your personal experiences don't reflect many other people

[@sooha1]

Homeboy never has his facts straight!! Thank you Sam!!!

[@komlat253]

What gets me is how far those guys start to reach when u give them a winning argument. Like u give them a very well thought out answer and they respond with a crazy 5 word sentence .

[@macgobhann8712]

That's usually how conservatives roll. The people who watch their show aren't interested in actually learning and thinking about the issue, they just want easy to follow, dumbed down talking points they can repeat in their head and to whomever disagrees with them.

[@suba729]

Can I just say the thumbnail is the best yet?! Quality! Very eye catching and looks great Should use more iterations of this style.

[@Bkaidaguy]

Fookin 🤡 is rich and knows his kids going to have trust fund. What about the rest of us that started working when I was 16

[@toolmoo1]

Bunch of guys with more than they'll ever need complaining that they don't have enough money. My eyes hurt from rolling back so hard.

[@utubepunk]

Also complaining about & showing contempt for the poor.

[@GuttTruck]

At least they chatted with Sam. Crowder's cold feet needs some socks.

[@YourRealDaddy]

3 against 1 and they were still outnumbered.

[@chrisnewman7281]

I’m glad that you talk about popularity, especially tax cuts for the wealthy which are very popular with the wealthy, so we should cut back on them to pay for the Health Insurance for the rest of his good point

[@DarnDave]

The difference between Seder and PBD is that one posted the video without priming their audience on their views or strawmanning the other side.

[@psychoparty5948]

I believe Patrick is under investigation....

[@tomtom3576]

Just read a column by a French woman who has been in the us for years and says how sad it is to see retiree aged people working physically demanding jobs all over the US just to eat. It’s neglect from the wealthiest nation

[@txikitofandango]

This debate could've been an email lol

[@DarkResonance]

The way Sam said that sounded like he threw his mum into a nursing home..

[@charlesgonzalez6775]

I had already seen this clip since i listened to the show live but just had to give kudos to the thumbnail. Got Sam looking like a total chad 😎 Congrats!

[@douglasmennella4525]

07:50 "That's not a concern? That's not a concern? That's not a concern?" Pretty cheeky from a guy who didn't even know what figure he was talking about two minutes earlier.