Caller Thinks Feminism Is Oppression

Anesh from India calls the show to argue that the patriarchy was an accident, but feminism is oppression.
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[@asmuel]

"Men cant have an abortion so it's not a double standard". I didn't see that coming lol.

[@iNCoMpeTeNtplAyS]

Men can get a vasectomy and use condoms , which to evangelicals should be far worse because it's billions of potential children being killed. They're just idiots.

[@tundrastreaming]

women can't get a vasectomy. Why can't they get equal rights?! 😔

[@ComradeCatpurrnicus]

Sounds like the sort of logic Jordan Peterson would use.

[@kaitlyn3168]

I heard it live and was just as befuddled as you. Lol

[@Callimo]

I mean, trans men who still have their uteruses can? But, that is so weird. So because one swath of the population can't get a medical procedure because they don't have the parts for carrying a fetus, no one should be able to get it....what? Oh ok, so since people without prostates can't get prostate cancer, NO ONE should be able to get prostate cancer treatment. The logic, it's trash xD

[@gabeasher187]

"I don't think it was ever socially acceptable to beat your wife" was incredible.

[@cosmicphoto05]

Sadly it's still very acceptable in rural India, and in many other parts of the world. They just won't say it out loud.

[@GeteMachine]

@@cosmicphoto05 Which is baffling how that guy is so detached from his own society's culture in India to make these arguments. But he shows why he wouldn't see sexism as a problem if he's not the one beaten. Hell, they do it just for the wife birthing daughters in India.

[@powbobs]

@@cosmicphoto05 Not just rural India.

[@ahh_yes_mr_bax]

This is akin to republicans fervently denying that neo nazis, white supremacist terrorist organizations, and active kkk members are almost ALL registered republicans that vote republican.

[@misterpinkandyellow74]

It never was socially acceptable to beat your wife.

[@covidiotseverywhere2179]

This guy's name was Yash, I think. Coincidentally, my name is Yash. I have always wanted to call on MR to tell them what a fantastic job they do. It's anecdotal, but this guy makes me sad about being named Yash. In middle school and high school history in India, we read about abhorrent practices that women had to follow, like self-immolation on their husband's funeral pyre (read about sati practices). Widow remarriage was not allowed for centuries. Women are still forced to stay away from any celebrations if they were widows or if menstruating. Even right now, menstruating women are said to make the house impure in some parts of Indian society. We have come a long way, but there is still a long way to go. Many parts of India are still horrible to women. What a jackass. My sincere apologies to the MR crew. There are more aware Indians listening to your show. Thank you 🙏

[@idontwantahandlethough]

haha nah man, he's the one who should be ashamed for sullying your good name :)

[@covidiotseverywhere2179]

@@idontwantahandlethough Thanks! :) Left is best!

[@babaganouche9605]

No way! You are cool Yash.

[@devil267]

I have been waiting for an indian caller to call in and maybe have a discussion on issues in india and how they relate globally or talk about trans issues and how different they are in some south asian or south east asian countries and then we get this hero

[@Quantris]

it's ok, we'll call that guy "yeesh" from now on

[@paulmeredith9404]

Final call: I’m sure this will be brief and friendly.

[@harrypothead42024]

😂😂😂😂

[@franksir5528]

😂

[@caitieeeee]

😭😭😭

[@ajwasp3642]

Not!

[@cybervoid8442]

Lmao 🤣

[@87eargasm]

"Officer, please come quickly, someone is burgling my house" "Ma'am, I don't think so - burglary is wildly illegal" 🤡 rare to see this kind of reasoning in the wild!

[@stylis666]

Would be great if that worked though :p Robber: Hands up and give my your money or I'll shoot you in the head. Victim: This is not the money you're looking for. You do not want to shoot me or take my money because it's illegal to rob people. You want to go home and rethink your life. Robber: I don't want to rob or shoot you. I want to go home and rethink my life.

[@lolababs206]

​@@stylis666I lost it when I read the robber's "response" lol

[@BilliamJoyBoy]

My wife really wants to get a hysterectomy after having 2 kids and is 36, the doctors said no because she might want to have kids in the future, which she won’t. So I looked into a vasectomy and they asked me if I would want more kids and I said no and they agreed to do the procedure. Yes women are treated differently, like they don’t know what they actually want.

[@casebased8391]

That’s selfish of you to have *her* undergo a major surgery with huge side effects (quicker menopause, hot flashes, mood swings, pelvic floor dysfunction) just because y’all don’t wanna have more kids, after she’s already gone through 2 pregnancies. Vasectomy is a smaller procedure with less side effects, yet *she* was the one who had to ask to go under the knife *first* lol. Also vasectomy can be *reversible*, while a hysterectomy definitely ISN’T. Looks like the sexist one here is you, not the doctors. Your wife can get a *bilateral tubal ligation* which the doctors will be more than happy to do. But I guess that won’t fit your agenda of calling everything sexist. 😂

[@crowdedcrow3098]

@@casebased8391 It's also possible that neither the husband nor wife were aware of how widespread the differences each procedure would have on their bodies and it sounds like the man who left this comment is progressive enough to recognize how unfair their doctor's responses were. The information you share would surely land more effectively without the added shaming. Nevertheless, I learned a lot in your brief paragraph and I thank you for it! Hot damn, I had NO idea. Why would I, I'm barren. A real waste field of tumbleweeds down there. (said with every trace of bitterness)

[@BilliamJoyBoy]

@@crowdedcrow3098 really sorry to hear about your infertility, I thought I couldn’t have kids because of low sperm count we got lucky with my daughter (her son is with another). With the new abortion bans my wife is actually scared to be intimate. She can’t do birth control because of hormone imbalance and what he didn’t explain is vasectomy isn’t always 100% effective at stopping pregnancy, it is close though. Meanwhile hysterectomy is 100% effective and like I said before my wife knows all of the benefits and symptoms but the doctors still think she might change her mind. We can not afford another child and are happy with our family as is, but doctors and law makers are stopping her from doing things to her body she knows she wants. This other person just pushed his own opinions and be a “pick me not him I’m more feminist” but that is just my opinion.

[@BilliamJoyBoy]

@@gauthamramachandran2847 literally said my wife WANTS to get it. She understands the risks and benefits she has been working in healthcare for 16-17 years and knows exactly how it works. I don’t understand how anyone is not understanding that. It’s her body it should be her choice, no one else.

[@AnnaP-uh3mc]

@@casebased8391 His wife wanted to have a hysterectomy. She may have also had painful periods or something - I’m assuming that she has her reasons for seeking that treatment. This guy is supporting his wife and has noticed and is pointing out the sexism involved. This lecture isn’t warranted here.

[@TrevorTellsJokes]

Imagine calling over seas to argue about something you don't even know about.

[@philipvipond2669]

Hey, man. *Someone* has to fight for men's rights to get an abortion.

[@Ironraven001]

Imagine being from a country that most men's rights activists would want to drop nukes on calling to defend white men in the USA.

[@StormcastMarine]

Did you get the impression that knowing things would have changed his mind?

[@vanpeters9751]

Reminds me of black people and reparations

[@badabingbadaboom7519]

I was waiting for him ask Sam to go to Walmart to get a few gift cards

[@traceyrice4978]

Sam Seder respectfully dunking on callers is my favorite

[@heytheyby]

Definitely gets me through some days. I love how he kinda "Ummm... Uhh..." while just absolutely making the caller look silly.

[@irshkashirkle]

"I think we're on to something here...." 😂

[@trevorv9218]

@@heytheyby Literally their argument here about the 82 cents to the dollar for the same job was a lie. And they just ignored the whole, you know, having children part. Do majority report fans like being misled and straight up lied to? This segment literally spreads false propaganda to people thinking they will apply for a job and earn 82 cents to the dollar as a man applying for the same job, this is Marxist style propaganda.

[@Sarah-ys2uk]

Emma's handling of this is why she was hired. She is able to slam arguments to the ground and the person doesn't realize it until rewatching it, but politely, but with fangs too. I want to grow up to be her but I'm already older. 😅

[@trevorv9218]

@@Sarah-ys2uk Sarah, she literally made up the statistics that she said to him. The 82% comment was a complete lie, or she was just grossly misinformed, but it looked more like she knew this man would also be uninformed she she could get away with it.

[@MRSAUltraviolet]

Emma's face reaction on this whole debacle is just priceless.

[@preago]

The pins were rolling like when Sam cuts her off in the middle of a point

[@MiketheNerdRanger]

Slowly went from annoyed to amused

[@Jeretti16]

I feel bad for Emma sometimes, she sometimes looks like she is absolutely dying inside, she has a lot of restraint tbh. I probably wouldn’t be so charitable.

[@buonafortuna8928]

If this was a troll on Emma, it was executed very well

[@SeptemberAdam]

"Priceless" is another word so overly used on the internet Soooo overly used.

[@AJ-wh1tw]

Why did this guy stay on the line so long? How long does it take for you to realize that you are being embarrassed publicly?

[@ComradeCatpurrnicus]

Maybe it's a kink?

[@alex4594]

@@ComradeCatpurrnicus Sam is a tsundere.

[@GeistInTheMachine]

Culture difference.

[@atomic66]

Because he's a dope.

[@idontwantahandlethough]

I think that's one of the defining characteristics of conservative minds: they're categorically unwilling to self-reflect. They just won't (or can't? I'm honestly not sure) do it, and as a result they don't ever realize that they're making a fool of themselves, they don't realize when they're obviously wrong. Obviously that makes it pretty hard for them to experience personal growth too (which I suppose checks out - most MRAs _do_ seem like manchildren lol).

[@dezzymombod]

my favourite part was "men don't have the money/power, it's just people who happen to be men who have the money/power"

[@OwlsEyelash]

Yes, that one was a doozy!

[@majorlazor5058]

I bet this caller is a huge Elon-Stan.

[@GeteMachine]

These would be hilarious parody arguments if he wasnt serious.🤣

[@Seattle-2017]

The same way that children of wealthy families just happen to get into better colleges and more high paying jobs than lower and middle class kids. Another one of those wild coincidences in Conservative fantasy-land.

[@ElaineLoyd]

I'll be honest that kind of confused me. 😂😂😂

[@absoluteterror9098]

It's like somebody managed to program an ai bot caller that would only generate responses that raise Emma's blood pressure to new levels.

[@Jordan-fw1gf]

Thanks for admitting she gets triggered really easily. Liberal women tend to do that and it’s pretty gross. They conflate political issues with their own identity, which makes them think that someone making a political argument is somehow an attack on them personally.

[@lucasvalley2418]

​@@Jordan-fw1gf you are projecting

[@modernwonder]

@@Jordan-fw1gf 🤡

[@superblump87]

​@Jordan didn't you just describe trump supporters to a T?

[@bananawammabama]

​@@Jordan-fw1gf Right, because having to waste your time with someone who is too lazy to even figure out the facts, says something like "women make less money because they work less than men" is EASY. I'm not a liberal but I would have banged my face on the desk, and yet Emma manages to hold her composure and barely let her face fall when he said that. She's sooo triggered lol.

[@diallo1347]

I couldn't stop laughing at the callers' stupidity. "It's just a coincidence that men have most of the money" 🤣🤣🤣

[@misterpinkandyellow74]

Women do 80 percent of the consumer spending, men earn most of the money to earn romance from women. Grow a brain.

[@BV-us9fw]

Then it's also just a coincidence that men are being sent to the war right?😂

[@alicejademarienorris1313]

​@@BV-us9fwWomen fight in wars too. ✌️

[@alicejademarienorris1313]

​@@BV-us9fwDuring World War 2 women stepped up and did men's jobs while they were at war.

[@BV-us9fw]

@@alicejademarienorris1313 yes i know that. I agree. I was just using their own logic. What I meant was if they can dismiss any systematic discrimination towards women by calling it a coincidence then whatever point they bring up about "men being discriminated" could easily be called a coincidence too.

[@SgtWicket]

I love the the right frames the left as the victim Olympics, meanwhile you have random men like “none of my rights have ever been in doubt and I’ve never had to fight to preserve them….but what if I DID, geez I must be oppressed.”

[@burnz3132]

Caller is just dead wrong. If they all of a sudden said men can’t get a vasectomy then that would be a right taken away. But men wouldn’t do that to men smh. It’s totally a double standard and was wrong of the courts to step into something they obviously know nothing about.

[@Seattle-2017]

Yes. The fact that vasectomies are legal everywhere in the US would have been a great, direct follow up point for Sam at 6:46, when Sam stumped the caller on the question of medical procedures that men are inhibited from getting. MRA's minds are so narrow that they cannot go outside the half dozen "points" that they have, accept history, nor see the world as it really is.

[@davidhughes4089]

I find it crazy the level of support amongst women for the reversal of abortion rights - you'd think they'd understand how important it is even if it was something they wouldn't do

[@trevorv9218]

Literally their argument here about the 82 cents to the dollar for the same job was a lie. And they just ignored the whole, you know, having children part. Do majority report fans like being misled and straight up lied to? This segment literally spreads false propaganda to people thinking they will apply for a job and earn 82 cents to the dollar as a man applying for the same job, this is Marxist style propaganda.

[@djwestbrook36]

@@davidhughes4089 Some people don’t see it as a “women’s rights issue”, some people see it as a “killing babies” issue. Including almost half of women. Your the one who is framing it in that way.

[@trevorv9218]

@@Seattle-2017 Emma straight up lied to make her points here.

[@Marqhll]

Another really important thing that people never mention in this whole "The draft is unfair" argument is that they always ignore who is doing the drafting. It's not women who are running the military and drafting people. It's not women who are in power who are starting the wars. Also, it completely ignores the fact that in all wars women suffer. The cities that get bombed and destroyed are full of women who are the victims of these sorts of things. When cities are taken over by an invading army I don't even want to get into the things that happen to the women that live there.

[@SmilingDesperado]

It's not men specifically that are doing the drafting, it's the state. We have women in Congress that could move to get rid of the draft, and we have women that have voted for war right alongside the men. We have women leaders that have waged war. It isn't a male/female thing. Those in power tend to use their power. ALL people suffer in wars. Women, children, AND MEN. People at least care when women and children die, they don't when men do.

[@Marqhll]

@@SmilingDesperado Dog there are SOME women in congress but our lawmakers nationwide are still 90% rich White dudes. It's not complicated.

[@SmilingDesperado]

@@Marqhll Dog, correlation is not causation. Human history has shown that war is not something that is owned by one race, one gender, or one socio-economic group. Women in power tend to do the exact same things that men in power do. It's a problem of the system, not of gender. It really isn't that complicated.

[@youforget1000thingsaday]

​@@SmilingDesperadoName one war a woman in power has started from 1900-2003. I'll wait.

[@ThompsonFlash9999]

​@@SmilingDesperadowhen we last used the draft, what was the ratio of men to women legislators?

[@judesmith4941]

1990's i was the female office manager and found my underling male data entry clerk made $1.00 for my $.75. They said HE had a family to support. Excuse me, I was supporting one too.😮

[@scrumtrellecent]

I don't understand why women don't make up a majority of the workforce in the US. I mean companies could be saving 23 percent on payroll just by firing all men and hiring only women.

[@Seattle-2017]

"Oh, OK. Then I want my "family support" raise. You also need to list "family supporter" as a salary add-on in your job listings.

[@Muzikman127]

@@scrumtrellecent because market mechanisms are imperfect, and the same systemic factors that cause women to be paid less in average also cause employers to on average underestimate their value to the firm. Basically, there is an equilibrium that hasn't been reached because of imperfect information transfer if you want to be real economist-y about it

[@Muzikman127]

@@scrumtrellecent ​​⁠ your comment does highlight a valid point; with such a dynamic, you would expect that firms with higher levels of gender discrimination and lower rates of hiring women than the industry average would be at a competitive disadvantage, due to underutilisation of a currently underpriced resource vs competitors. There are a shittonne of complicating factors, but yes, over the long term that would be a dynamic that tends towards increasing rates of hiring women, and a leveling of pay disparity over time. Although this is only one is a sea of factors of course Another way to conceptualise it that makes it easier to work through as a problem is to ask why would the same not happen in the 1970s, when the dynamics you highlighted are all present and much stronger than today. Why would any company hire men at all in 1975 for office roles? Why were offices not overwhelmingly staffed by women, a hugely underpriced resource?

[@nicholasmclaughlin7104]

​​@@scrumtrellecentif that happened there wouldn't be a disparity but I'm sure they'd quickly resolve that with racism

[@sagsgups2624]

As an Indian. You are debating a dude from India which is significantly more patriarchal lol

[@neverforever4787]

Yeah they should've hung up as soon as he said he was from India. The average westerner and the average Indian are like night and day when it comes to "gender politics" or whatever you want to call it.

[@brittvaughn9447]

Ugh.

[@paulmeredith9404]

Matt must really be glad to have jury duty today if he didn’t have to listen to this call

[@robodoubtfire]

He wouldn't have liked it but man I really wanted his spice there lol

[@bkk1996]

​@@robodoubtfire ditto lol

[@discowolf25]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@trevorv9218]

Literally their argument here about the 82 cents to the dollar for the same job was a lie. And they just ignored the whole, you know, having children part. Do majority report fans like being misled and straight up lied to? This segment literally spreads false propaganda to people thinking they will apply for a job and earn 82 cents to the dollar as a man applying for the same job, this is Marxist style propaganda.

[@haza123b4]

@@robodoubtfire *I really wanted that 3 on 1 instead of just 2 on 1.*

[@caseykiesling4348]

This was an embarrassing call in so many respects I’m consistently surprised by MRAs hyper focusing on like 4 or 5 factors that support their argument and just ignoring everything else or as in this case showing it supports male genius supremacy

[@blackbeardbarkbark]

It's been 50+ years since women stood up for themselves and got a lot of rights from the US government. Now these incels feel like the world is collapsing. For their older ways, sure. These men need to go their own way already. If I was reincarnated 1000 times, I would want to be a man those 1000 times. That's a real eye opener for how women are treated.

[@1MarkKeller]

Racist and bigots do the same thing to avoid seeing racism and bigotry.

[@zer0nix]

It all comes from fear. The recent debate Vaush had with a blackpiller made that abundantly clear. They're not even grifting, theyre just deeply insecure and narcissistic. As long as 'the woman' has ANY CHOICE AT ALL the omega males can be rejected and so are disgruntled. I'd call them bitch made but that's an insult to dogs.

[@davidisrael9799]

100%. And I was surprised he wasn't getting triggered every time Emma talked like some of these nitwits have in the past.

[@AaronD313]

Men have NO reproductive rights. If I dont want the mother of my child to terminate the pregnancy I can’t stop her!

[@alexjordan3636]

Honestly, I think more MRAssholes should call in. This was as entertaining as watching Sam dismantle a libertarian

[@caitieeeee]

I don't think poor Emma deserves that lmao

[@tommydevine9993]

They're equally ignorant and confident which makes for easy and entertaining dismantling 😂

[@scrumtrellecent]

Plus us listeners learned how we can start a company and save on payroll by only hiring women.

[@legendaryboss54]

@@scrumtrellecent you’ve been going on and on with the same comment on multiple comments. Is this the only talking point your pea sized brain is capable of making?

[@skippythealien9627]

@@tommydevine9993 the fact that they're all over the Internet polluting their bullshit everywhere makes it all the more satisfying when they get owned

[@osmium3691]

On the whole draft argument I wanna ask, why is it that women aren't required to sign up for the draft? Is it maybe because women were and are viewed by society as too weak and fragile to join the military? The draft isn't the way it is because women are privileged, it's because when it was created women were considered less than men and men didn't want to send their property off to die in war. The draft is not an example of sexism against men, it's sexism against women that just so happens to have a negative impact on men.

[@mauricelee77]

Who would take care of the children if both parents are wiped out… Not saying it’s fare or right, war is BS 90% of the time either way, but that seams to be the greatest reason.

[@philwill0123]

​@@mauricelee77this is the irony. Men going off to war is seen as a sacrifice only men can do, and looking after children the greatest sacrifice women can make. Suddenly it's "why should I make sacrifices and why can't women go to war?" Simultaneously men want women to be traditional and look after the kids and feminist to join the army to prove a draft point to men. And if they did, they would then moan how a role reversal with them looking after kids will emasculate them

[@herefortheshrimp1469]

It's the same with women trending to win in child custody cases - it's because of a "positive" stereotype that ends up hurting both men and women...and children actually

[@hellovicki6779]

Yet they had no issue with the massive numbers of women who go to war alongside men as nurses, washer women, cooks and prostitutes. Nor was there any restraint shown to civilian women killed and raped during conflict, the 'collateral damage'. The stale argument that men have to fight the wars is neither worthy of a male ego stroke or their claimed unfair, special burden. Russia bombed a maternity hospital in Ukraine, one poor woman was injured (sadly fatally) while in active labor. Do not claim men suffer more than women in war. Also it is not women who direct men to war, it is government. Most mothers and wives would not send their dearest to war. Equality for women does not come at the expense of men. I do not understand men who think it does.

[@osmium3691]

@@mauricelee77 ...you obviously wouldn't send both parents from the same household. Also a lot of people who are drafted are teenagers who aren't married and don't have kids. That's not the reason women don't have to sign up for the draft

[@Draxtor]

Emma wakes up middle of the night by a voice that says “final caller of the day” …

[@micahandrews4881]

The rage emanating from Emma could power a city

[@hopedodson8058]

The flaw in caller’s argument is that he thinks pregnancy is easy and “health neutral” (no health risks associated). Compare percentages of women who die from pregnancy and childbirth related complications vs men who are conscripted into war and die. Add to that the fact that men may serve a couple of years of war and then be done with combat service for the rest of their lives. With Roe vs Wade overturned women face this risk of death with each pregnancy for ALL of her fertile years.

[@hemantkarasala5767]

I came in excited to watch an anti feminist get dunked on. Then I heard his accent and thought of all the thousands of similar conversations I have had to have with Indian conservatives. This is gonna be hard to watch 😅 Edit: Thanks for being gentle guys haha

[@lewa3910]

Being south asian and having to listen to some fellows spout MRA nonsense😓 i feel ya

[@SeptemberAdam]

He's Oriental. That's why. Orientals take female rebellion much more serious than Occidentals.

[@jfk8540]

i pray for india… it’s so sad to see it go down the road of reactionary conservatism, racism and religious intolerance. india could be a shining jewel of the left… it has so much potential if education and public services were prioritized, like it needs to be in america. and india is still under a caste system?? it should be ripe for a national movement comparable to gahndi’s….

[@SeptemberAdam]

@@jfk8540 Well thank your buddy Dinesh D'Souza for right winging them Indians.

[@black_sheep_nation]

The indian caste system is alive and well. The Indian community that cloisters together, imports this caste to America. I've lived within these communities. The domestic abuse is off the charts. Sometimes the abuse is physical, much of the time is psychological. Narcissistic mama's boys, who cannot break away, because much of the time, mama lives with them. The abuse goes unreported. Women are terrified of being thrown out, and ostracized by their community. The upper middle class India families tend to live in HOA communities, which close ranks. The next generation of girls are learning they have no worth (eating disorders, suicidal ideation, depression) and boys are infantalized (narcissism, codependence, depression, anxiety). All out of step in today's western society. There are plenty of Indian families that live outside the bubble, too.

[@arrrrr1689]

How do u know he is from upper cast????

[@headfangs]

I'd wager a guess that most feminists would also oppose the mandatory draft sign-up for males

[@AnnaP-uh3mc]

💯 I oppose mandatory draft sign ups for anyone. Nobody should be forced to go fight in a war against their will.

[@aprilk141]

We do.

[@samuelbekele3601]

@@AnnaP-uh3mc No, people should get drafted if their country is at risk of invasion. Most drafts throughout history have been unnecessary though. Shaming men for not fighting in a war so people can season their steak for example lol

[@AnnaP-uh3mc]

@@samuelbekele3601 I can see more reason if your country is being invaded but forcing people to go invade other countries is not ok in my book

[@samuelbekele3601]

@@AnnaP-uh3mc In most cases I would agree but I see nothing wrong with having a draft then invading Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, or Imperial Japan. Depends entirely on the actions of the countries being invaded, what the goal if the invading country(s) is, and how achievable that goal is.

[@jillionairess]

I got my first job in 1981. I was 15. I learned later they hired me at the car lot to lure men into buying a car. Times have changed for the better. Trust me.

[@ComradeCatpurrnicus]

MRAs would literally look at that as a privilege. They have brain worms.

[@Zb_Calisthenic]

Are you suggesting sex no longer sells? I don't mean to be rude.

[@Jen-cc9xk]

@@Zb_Calisthenic I suppose one would hope that today only people over 18 would be hired as lures, with their full knowledge of and consent to the reason they're being hired. I would have hoped that OP's parent, or someone wiser in her life, would have clued her in before she'd even worked a day.

[@missburn]

Sex with a 15-year old sells?

[@52flyingbicycles]

I’m sorry you were HOW OLD

[@screamingphoenix8113]

Every conversation with an MRA always feels the same. They turn everything into a contest about who is suffering more, but have no real organized effort to actually improve things for men in anyway. It's always the feminists that actually care enough about these issues to actually do anything to improve on them, but because they aren't exclusively focusing on a handful of pet issues, they perceive them as enemies.

[@1MarkKeller]

It's always a "male supremacy" issue for them when you boil it all the way down.

[@SmartDave60]

And who organized the military to have a male only selective service, and resisted women in combat? Men have “oppressed” men.

[@JustSayPie]

Men suffer when forced to think of or treat women as actual human beings instead of objects that exist for their comfort and convenience. It's oppression!

[@scrumtrellecent]

Well at least Emma stated how every company in America can save 23 percent on their payroll. So there is that.

[@screamingphoenix8113]

@@scrumtrellecent Or, maybe our sexist economic system, that only recently allowed women to be able to get bank accounts without a husband present, has long standing biases towards paying men more for male-dominated work, and paying less for female-dominated work. It's all just so circular, why do plumbers get paid better than school teachers? Well because they re more important. Why are plumbers more important than school teachers? Well because they get paid better.

[@Errpeinterr]

The nerve.. most of India is still very sexist, women can become very educated there and successful but the moment they marry they are expected to throw it all away and focus on raising a family. Even Indian Americans born and raised in the USA, I’ve met many brilliant women who have masters or doctorates and had to give it all up because of an oppressive family structure. In-laws, husband, their own parents, pressure from all sides, in the USA, unfortunately it’s a taboo topic.

[@pano3607]

6:39 “…but men don’t have the right to an abortion either” lol!

[@heidithesausage]

😂 that’s a new one

[@ThompsonFlash9999]

​@@heidithesausageevery pregnancy test now comes with handcuffs. As soon as that test is positive, legally, men have to chain themselves to that woman so they can't dip out, didn't you hear?

[@heidithesausage]

@@ThompsonFlash9999 ahh ok, like a variation of the old ball and chain. It’s tragic that men have no way of protecting themselves from women who force them into having sex & have total control where men release their secret baby making ingredient …. It’s a betrayal that the decision to change the abortion laws and restrict or ban access was made by a majority of male judges and male politicians, what SOB’s! 🙄 stay safe out there

[@hazelsingh3887]

@@ThompsonFlash9999 Honestly, if this happened, we would probably have unregulated abortions again. You know those Republican lawmakers don’t want to be chained to their mistresses for the next 9 months.

[@iamwell5654]

😂😂😂

[@linkkenni]

The last question the caller asked was harrowing. "Would you rather be property or expendible." (Paraphrasing.) One is as the other and guy doesn't see it. Like sure, being alive is good and all, but being forced to be "property" is it's own hell. And as Sam and company pointed out, a US draft has not been a thing for decades. One is *significantly* more topical than the other.

[@mysticaleagle1625]

The caller certainly had a hard-on for the draft. He kept going back to the idea as if that was his main basis for his beliefs.

[@idontwantahandlethough]

right? and like sure, I often feel expendable as a man in our modern world, and there _are_ unique ways in which men are expendable. but why does he think it's not exactly the same thing for women? we all feel expendable. all the time. always. that's capitalism, baby 🙃

[@JPH1138]

Sam had a good answer, but I was thinking it was a wierd question to be posing. Like, would you rather be forcibly coerced into a role with the armed forces (that could be definitionally noncombatant or posted in a non-dangerous assignment) and have to work there for a few years after which you likely enjoy the full freedom society has to offer, or spend your ENTIRE LIFE as chattel with extremely limited (if any) rights. This guy doesn't seem to have thought anything through at all. I was sympathetic to MRAs in the past because I think the conflation of men with the ruling classes can be overdone and the vast majority of men have been treated as expendable commodities by those in power and this can easily be lost in rhetoric. But the amount of men abducted to die in wars or die in coal mines or abandoned to one form or another of effective slavery should be an argument for class solidarity, and generally MRAs see it instead as an aggrievement that can win them some fanciful pissing contest that can make them prove that women are supposedly a protected class who need to be taken down a notch, because annoyingly MRAs are, first and foremost, about resenting women. I think it's a real shame because men certainly do suffer from parts of the gender divide in society, but the entire discussion about it has been poisoned by angry people with no real perspective.

[@ss-ds2dn]

What's wild is that owning a uterus is it's own kind of draft (especially without reproductive rights). Both military training and childbirth is required to keep a country relatively stable but worldwide, 3x more women die in childbirth than men die in war per year. Yet men get paid/ to be in the military and women have to pay hospital bills for even healthy births. In ancient Sparta only dying in battle or childbirth got you a marked grave. I can only foresee some sort of UBI/universal healthcare to rectify this imbalance. Women's unpaid labor is estimated to be in the trillions. Reproductive labor is taken for granted. We switch back and forth between describing the beauty and violence of childbirth based on rhetorical expedience. We've got military statues/celebrations out the wazoo in this country but almost none to women who've died in childbirth in entire country. Maybe falling birthrates will give women leverage. So far it's just getting our rights revoked.

[@saxyseymour]

Also he’s avoiding the realization that at the end of the day, property is viewed as expendable.

[@BeverlySummers10]

This level of patience is a virtue that I do not possess.

[@witcher70]

Ani ja

[@aztecace1]

Well he didn't want to end so quickly, he wanted to draw all the ignorance out of this guy, to show him for the person he is.

[@honeyartstudios]

Omg you guys, HE CALLED AGAIN!! 😭😫😫

[@samuelrosander1048]

It's not just being an MRA. This is what makes a right winger different from a left winger: hierarchy. Lefties want to undermine and dismantle them to varying degrees (center vs far left) while right wingers want to support and create new ones to varying degrees (center vs far right). This caller is a right winger not because he's an MRA, but because he actually believes that hierarchies are justified even if they result in widespread oppression and brutality against those on lower rungs than him. For him, men are above women so it's only natural that women be treated as lesser beings. If you look at ANY ISSUE that the left and right are actually divided on this is what it comes down to. There's always a hierarchy that places higher value on one group than another, and that difference in value justifies gross disparities in treatment, the rejection of empathy, etc etc etc.

[@areuarealman7269]

Empathy jumps out the window without food and shelter ...in war or not thats why homeless people should be treated kinder ...I was gonna say something else but never mind no one cares .

[@samuelrosander1048]

@@areuarealman7269 It would be easy to just ignore your post because I don't see it as useful, but I think giving you feedback on why your post will probably draw a lot of "who cares" attitudes so that you can improve and make your posts more relevant and useful. I mentioned empathy once in the context of what hierarchy justifies to support and maintain the hierarchy. To a leftist the homeless and destitute deserve "all the empathy" simply because leftists are humanists (which is anti-hierarchical, though there are obviously leftists who don't fully commit). To a rightist the homeless and destitute MAY deserve "pity" and even scorn simply because rightists see things through a more hierarchical lens. Leftists generally agree that the homeless and destitute *should be uplifted* instead of merely being "treated kinder," while rightists see them more as a nuisance or even as a way to earn "saintly" points by "treating them kinder" while not actually doing anything to uplift them (a common mentality on the right is "it's up to them as individuals, after all. If they don't work hard enough, etc etc etc, then they don't "deserve" more than kinder treatment as homeless and destitute leeches on society"). My whole point was to highlight the difference between left and right as being one of a differing position on hierarchy (left rejects, right supports), since empathy and other things commonly claimed as being the difference are actually shared between them according to different standards, and to use that fact as a way to explain why Men's Rights Activists are fundamentally a right wing group. But again, your post doesn't address what I wrote, nor does it address the video, so it's hard for people to care about comments that seem really out of place and a bit incoherently "general." "Empathy jumps out the window without food and shelter." Empathy for who? Empathy from who? What does the lack of food and shelter do for who is being empathized with, or who is empathizing? What message are you trying to spread that goes beyond a "bad stuff is bad" level of commentary, and what does it have to do with what I was saying (you posted in response to what I wrote, after all), especially within the context of the video? "in war or not thats why homeless people should be treated kinder." Again, what's the greater message and what does it have to do with what I was saying? When specifically asked most people will agree with you because "bad stuff is bad," and they don't want to accept that their views coincide with the "bad stuff," but how does that statement fit into anything beyond being an overly general statement? If you don't want to say more because you don't think people will care then you should make sure that what you DO say is useful to the conversation (it doesn't merely say "yeah!" whenever a generic "this is bad" statement is made, but provides some deeper thought or critique) and contextually relevant; my post was about hierarchy, so your response to it should have built on or critiqued what I wrote about hierarchy, or made some connection to it as you focused on a sub-topic. If neither of those things are the case then it would be better not to post at all, at least not until you've formed a better response, because a lot of people will ignore it because it adds nothing to the conversation.

[@powbobs]

@@areuarealman7269 Why do weirdos like you always use worst case scenarios as if that’s going to sway any rational person to your point of view?

[@pangea02]

If you showed me a river rock that's been eroding since the dinosaurs it still wouldn't be as smooth as this caller's brain

[@jessetorres8738]

Years ago, I was asked by a conservative coworker why a man describing himself as a "feminist" is a good thing. I said that if being a feminist means you believe a woman should be paid the same as a man for the same job, they should be able to control their bodies & birth control, & have paid maternal leave guaranteed regardless of their job, then I'm alright with that label.

[@Jen-cc9xk]

And what was his reply? lol

[@idontwantahandlethough]

@@Jen-cc9xk in my experience: *grumble grumble grumble* ~stomps away~

[@idontwantahandlethough]

The thing I don't think guys like that understand is that like.. I'd still be a feminist even if I didn't care about women at all.. because the things that feminism advocates for would absolutely still benefit ME, _as a man._ Obviously I don't actually feel that way, I'm just illustrating a point. But for example, wouldn't it be nice to not have to deal with all the ridiculous traditional societal expectations about "being a man" and all that? Cause I'd sure like that, and feminists would like that too! And just to tie that back to MRA's: I am yet to find even a single issue that they advocate for that feminists haven't already done. Kinda seems like being an MRA almost requires a fundamental misunderstanding of like a dozen different topics..

[@bananawammabama]

I bet he laughed at you or walked away mid sentence lol

[@Jen-cc9xk]

@@idontwantahandlethough You must have encountered the polite ones, lol. In my experience the guy would have responded with something lewd about the sexual prowess and/or the sexual preferences of feminist men.

[@Ashaliyeva]

To the caller, all I can say is, “Bless your little heart, sweetie.” 🤦🏼‍♀️ (That was damn near painful to listen to. I almost have an ocular headache from how hard I was rolling my eyes.)

[@theunholinesswithin70]

Take it easy over there, oculars are fucked up.

[@ElaineLoyd]

That sweet summer child 😂

[@IAmNumber4000]

I’m betting the caller’s logic is something like: “My life personally sucks” > “I am being discriminated against” > “It’s because I’m a male”

[@ellenmcgrath1895]

He's mad at the idea that pregnant people can have abortions and he can't. That's what he just said.

[@07Flash11MRC]

Agreed. Instead of just being happy that he'll NEVER actually need one.

[@iamwell5654]

😂😂😂

[@ladyvanda]

I’m 99% sure this guy debated youtuber Hunter Avallone a couple of weeks ago. His handle was something like “feminism is cancer” 😂

[@TheCosmicFailure]

Same guy. I guess he learned nothing from Hunter.

[@eKko0]

hes doing the rounds, new conservative up and comer!

[@r.c.r.7413]

My guess is that Anesh hasn't ever been exceedingly close to a willing female.

[@powbobs]

Definitely not the willing part.

[@mcchilde2903]

highly unlikely with india's population lmao. My guess is that he talks over them. I've met dudes like him, being indian myself.

[@harrypothead42024]

Don't feminists generally advocate for either dropping the Selective Service registration or, including women in the requirement? I'm positive I have heard that said.

[@Johnywang1]

They do

[@CatastrophicalPencil]

Yeah these people don't seem to recognise that their bugbears arise from patriarchal notions of what a man is supposed to do, i.e. serve in the army, or be a career person and disregard their family, and so feminism would support liberating them from those roles.

[@leemarinus]

Women can and have proven to be solders, sailors, Marines and Airman, with Honors. If selective service were to be adopted, women would indeed serve, like they have since the Revolutionary War!

[@ss-ds2dn]

Yeah I've never been witness to a feminist conversation that was pro-draft or draft-neutral

[@leemarinus]

@@ss-ds2dn then you never served your country in uniform

[@geovariant6974]

This is a common theme in the manoshpere. The reason so many fall for the argument is because it is decontextualised. So using the pay gap argument doesn't work with these guys. I suggest that a more effective line of argument is to ask the caller, on a time line of say 200 hundred years, to graph men and women's rights and identify when women began to have more rights than men. Example: Circa 1800 list all men and all women's rights. Circa 2023 what rights have men lost and what rights have women gained? Hopefully they will understand that in 200 years, fundamentally, men haven't lost any rights. So the only way women today can have more rights than men is if they have been given extra rights. The caller should then explain what those extra rights are and when the change happened. That's where they come unstuck

[@KorpsePaintKlown]

What I never understood about the draft argument is what these guys don’t seem to realize is that the reason men are made to sign up for it is stemming from the fact that until very recently women were not even allowed to be in combat. It’s not that we have ‘less rights’ it’s that patriarchy also effects us in a negative way because we’re seen as more capable to serve in the military

[@missburn]

One of the most important questions to ask MRA types is, whenever they claim to be victims of something: What are they actually doing about it, how many of those types care to even organize?

[@bryna7]

And it's men doing it to men but they just want to complain about women.

[@stylis666]

@@bryna7 It's annoying and counter productive. I bet they learned it from conservatives who frustrate every attempt to progress so that laws that are implemented won't work or just make things worse and then blame the "woke" left for the laws not working or being plain evil.

[@ultimate6243]

​​@@bryna7 There are many Man with internalized misandry.

[@oldishandwoke-ish1181]

A lot of the think that killling women is the answer. Or making them into sex and baby slaves, like ISIS.

[@REfan001]

Marital rape is still legal in India

[@priyankuhandique7058]

Where is it illegal tho?

[@ZERO_O7X]

The very morally superior Dennis Prager would argue that it's still legal in the US too! Or at least he thinks it should be so much that he wrote a two part essay defending why a wife can't say no to her husband.

[@Benjamin-cd6yh]

Every MRA complaint can be answered simply. That these discriminations and problems that men have systemically are the way they are because it's how men want it. If a majority of men wanted for women to be eligible for the draft, they would be. Women aren't eligible because that's how men want it.

[@gforce97]

how men want it? definately not all of us men? thats the ones on top making all the laws. not your average joe or poor homeless guy in the street

[@Benjamin-cd6yh]

@@gforce97 Fucking duh. Context.

[@CribbzBoi]

​@@gforce97exactly

[@subfreak1996]

Regarding the sentencing disparity: That's because men are viewed as more violent. Now why is that? Because toxic masculinity teaches men that anger is the only valid way to express vulnerability.

[@ezra8352]

sounds kinda like you're justifying sentencing disparities based on how people are viewed

[@subfreak1996]

@@ezra8352 no, I was giving an explanation. I'm actually learning more about prison abolition since they don't actually rehabilitate people

[@ezra8352]

@@subfreak1996 ah ok, sorry for my misunderstanding

[@herefortheshrimp1469]

"Would you rather be property or would you rather be drafted?"...........merciful Christ in heaven THIS DUDE lol

[@AutumnWytch999]

I just feel for Emma having to suffer through these stupid calls.

[@carlmarks8170]

She is totally wrong about women earning 82% of what men earn for doing the same work.

[@majorlazor5058]

@@carlmarks8170 yeah yeah. It’s all equal pay. Wage discrimination is false. Blah blah.

[@skumar1993]

No the figure is 8% which a simple Google search will show you. This only accounts for the job itself if you account for hours worked and time take out of work the difference is 1%.

[@quantize]

@@carlmarks8170 feel free to post some stats instead of whining about your fee fees.

[@scifisyko]

@@quantize Now why would he do something sensible like that? :p

[@poltronafrau]

As a Dutchman living in England, I think the western countries have earned their wealth, and it’s just a coincidence that we are infinitely richer than Indians.

[@satiricgames2129]

by raping an pillageing the goods of less fournate country yeh they ernt it lol

[@billthebutcher2]

The guy was totally unremarkable, however, the way Emma's eyes lit up around the 18:30 mark when she knew she was going to add something to the conversation that would get Sam riled up, was priceless.

[@samiamrg7]

The laws the draft is based on are very old. Women almost never served combat roles in the US military when those laws were created. They’ve never been updated because it has never been necessary, but there are countries with more recent military draft laws which include women.

[@Jen-cc9xk]

I'm pretty sure that in WW2 in England women had to register so they could be put into war jobs on the homefront, and they could be sent away from their homes to do those jobs, only given leave at certain times etc. It was run along military lines, just without the need to shoot people or threat of courtmartial. It was a temporary "draft" at a time of great need. The US could do the same thing if necessary, but include women in the shooting part. But, as you say, the US army has never yet found it necessary.

[@aztecace1]

Doesn't Israel require?

[@DevonRucker]

What did I just listen too and why did I listen to the whole thing....why am I gonna watch this whenever I need to not feel dumb in my life. I know people like him are out there, making me look like Einstein.

[@sparkofcuriousity]

You just listened to ignorance crystalized into human voice and you listened to the whole thing because of morbid curiosity.

[@reaceness]

This conversation is so simple to resolve: Those social establishments which hurt men more than women can be remedied WITH feminism.

[@CribbzBoi]

But feminists aren't very proactive in advocating for men specifically

[@reaceness]

@@CribbzBoi we don’t need to: feminism helps men 🙂

[@CribbzBoi]

@@reaceness how? Idk If ur just trying to be condescending but how do men benefit from just sitting and doing nothing waiting patiently?

[@reaceness]

@@CribbzBoi Who said that? Men benefit from embracing feminism.

[@CribbzBoi]

@@reaceness how exactly? How does men sitting back patiently and placing their trust in feminism launch new domestic violence shelters for men for example or give men more birth control contraceptives?

[@kgs2280]

I always love a question that starts with “would you rather be a man who (blah blah blah) or a woman who (yada yada yada)…” - AS IF WE HAVE A CHOICE, or could have a choice. We don’t, and we’re absolutely stuck with the consequences of how, when, where, what social level and what sex we’re born into.

[@kevinchristensen7510]

Although those questions often seem largely academic, it's very useful tool to argue with racists. Especially with the sorts of racists who complain about "how good" minority groups have things. Ask them, "Wow, X group sure does seem to have it better than you. Do you wish you were a member of that group?" The answer is interesting and can usually follow up with "Oh? Why not?"

[@scrumtrellecent]

I certainly would not want to be a women in hte workforce. They get 23 percent less pay than men. You heard it here folks.

[@kgs2280]

@@kevinchristensen7510 Good point. If I’m ever in a conversation about reincarnation and I’m asked what kind of person I’d choose to be if I could choose, I always answer: a rich white man (I’m a white woman, and relatively poor) because I know that’s what society (at least in general, and in the U.S.) values the most highly.

[@areuarealman7269]

Yeah I'd rather be like a porn directors favorite pampered puppy with alot of animal buddies being human is just uhhhh.

[@seansteele6532]

Literally the last generation of American draftees are senior citizens now…

[@stephennootens916]

Yes and everyone knows the us Military structure now is made to avoid having to start a draft. One of the few things they learned from Vietnam was it was easy for the people to turn on the war if little John next door is getting the letter that that leads to him coming home in a body bag.

[@areuarealman7269]

Imagine all those kids Raised by Gen x in a war ?Nightmare fuel .Well maybe just the fools I grew up with couldn't change tires thermostats belts in high-school barely read books drugs parties no jobs fucking pearl jam get the picture?

[@franksir5528]

The caller picked up these specific right wing talking points _in India!_ good lord we can't keep our disease from spreading

[@osmium3691]

Well yes, people in other countries pay attention to american politics. It's only people in america that think we're the center of everything and we don't have to pay attention to any other countries. Also, India has their own right wing which isn't very dissimilar from the american right wing. The same arguments for and against women's rights are made there

[@CanItAlready]

Anyone with free access to the internet can end up bumping into MRAs. That this guy has bought into what they're selling suggests he was already on that road before he found them.

[@esotere]

I encountered a right-wing snowflake from Denmark spouting Fox News blather about how taxes are bad and how Denmark is so dysfunctional yadda yadda yadda. Couldn’t help but feel the situation was a little bleak lol

[@theunholinesswithin70]

No, but people can question them until the back off, discouraging them from using these talking points because they know they'll only be questioned every step of the way.

[@black_sheep_nation]

India presently has a populist Prime Minister. Illiberalism is a disease.

[@davidhughes4089]

Emma's face when the words "Men's rights activist" comes up 😂😂😂

[@seanpatrick1243]

Spoken like a man living in a cast system!

[@ZERO_O7X]

Hey, he was born with a weiner and therefore is more important and is owed a woman! 😂

[@MsJomo13]

Love You Emma…way to keep your cool…and thank you Sam for sticking up for us 💙

[@Hellkite-er5pg]

He was so so close. Almost put things together.

[@1MarkKeller]

Then that older "lizard brain" kicked back in.

[@aztecace1]

But in the end failed miserably.

[@powbobs]

No, he really wasn’t.

[@sweet_t811]

man: doctor, I'm having chest pain doctor: you might be having a heart attack woman: doctor, I'm having chest pain doctor: you're being emotional

[@SodiumGated]

Woman: I don’t want this kid Society: It’s your right Men: I don’t want this kid Society: Debtors prison

[@sweet_t811]

@@SodiumGated I get what you're saying but IMO, it's not the same thing as how women are typically treated in a medical setting.

[@hadleytorres8171]

As a unionized journeymen pipefitter I make the same amount as a journeywoman unionized pipefitter. So the conclusion I come to here is that everyone should unionize..

[@AbyssalMelody]

I mean, everyone SHOULD unionize, but the supreme court decided we cant

[@ThePigMensToes]

It’s illegal to treat prostate cancer in men in the USA. Which is totally ok since women can’t get prostate cancer. So no one is “technically” having health care denied. That’s probably true…

[@automanvw]

Wtf are you even talking about? It’s not illegal

[@abigfavor]

​@@automanvw read the last sentence, its a satire

[@ThePigMensToes]

@@automanvw men can’t have abortions so no one can. Is a justification brought up by the caller. I was demonstrating how that is stupid. I hope this clears that up.

[@davidbright6790]

"WHAT AN AAAMAZING COINCIDENCE!" 😂😂😂

[@healmagick]

Sam, please stop apologizing for these calls. I live to watch them.

[@ricardoalfonso6821]

The slaves that we shipped from Africa just happened to be Black. It’s a coincidence, not racism.

[@cosmicphoto05]

Sadly, the caller's view is fairly common among men here in India. Sigh. Also, it was entertaining and frustrating to hear how ill-prepared he was to "debate" the issues he wanted to talk about. I mean, if you wanna debate an issue, at least do a bit of homework first.

[@INXS1985]

So many callers just don’t like other people. It’s not that they want to debate ideas about society, they just don’t want to see others have freedoms. So many childishly jealous adults

[@nancymarble8659]

Dude just kept digging that hole, deeper and deeper. Profoundly clueless caller.

[@kgs2280]

The equal pay law only covers federal employees at this time, except for in the states that have Equal Rights Amendments in their laws, like California.

[@cheekymonkey8818]

still doesnt make the statement true. IT IS FALSE that women get paid less then men for THE EXACT SAME JOB. its not rue. and there is no evidence that this is true. I m all for womens rights but making up data doesnt help the argument.

[@scrumtrellecent]

I don't understand why women don't make up a majority of the workforce in the US. I mean companies could be saving 23 percent on payroll just by firing all men and hiring only women.

[@heidithesausage]

@@scrumtrellecent can’t have women getting all confident and start thinking they’re just as capable as men, or the power to give themselves pay increases Willy nilly when they obviously don’t deserve them. Women are also more likely to have empathy, which is seen as a weakness. I think some men cant cope with women doing anything better than them, so they wont even give them the opportunity to

[@kgs2280]

@@scrumtrellecent It’s because they still think men are better, and are willing to pay for that. Even though women are “cheaper” to pay, they’re just not as good, no matter how intelligent or hard-working the woman is, in their minds.

[@hazelsingh3887]

@@scrumtrellecent Bigotry isn’t logical. People used to think slaves were disgusting, but they would still engage in (nonconsensual) sex with them. There is no logic to bigotry.

[@funicon3689]

they need to get rid of selective service so ppl wont make this argument anymore. if the draft were around it would be a big deal, but it isnt

[@samiamrg7]

I thought the same thing. The Draft is a very old law, from a time when women were all but forbidden from serving in combat roles in the US military, so of course a law from those times would target only men for drafting.

[@blafferdist]

But men still have to sign up for it bites them in the ass in the future because they can't get things like loans for college.

[@blafferdist]

​@@samiamrg7 See how you spun that? You still tried to make it sound anti-woman. Men were treated as disposable while women's lives were being preserved. When will you people understand that it's not women who were oppressed, it was men?

[@samiamrg7]

@@blafferdist I’ve never heard of that happening. I kind of doubt that is a significant factor considering it effects EVERY male between 18 and, like, 30. And the draft hasn’t been used for 50 some years.

[@ryaneichelberger7040]

I think what both Sam and the caller miss is that those disadvantages men face are solidly the consequence of patriarchy. The draft being for men is because of patriarchy because men are seen as stronger. Men get longer sentences because they are seen as more powerful than women and more capable of doing damage. Most "men's issues" are rooted in patriarchy.

[@satiricgames2129]

yeh patriarchy hurts us all

[@Kingofthenet2]

Very true

[@hetdshah4279]

We don’t claim him

[@notoriousbbeg4147]

"I am oppressed because as a biological man I cannot have an abortion" is an amazingly strange take

[@tyronnemoss]

No need to apologize Sam, I found it entertaining. You and Emma were great.

[@redaderoua8816]

This is the same guy that just had a debate with hunter avallone lmao

[@haruki456]

He should've pulled out the divorce court statistics to complete his lame pokemon gotchas. Hint btw: Abusive men often use the court system to force their wives and children to see them.

[@cw9475]

Nah this guy isn't divorced himself so he doesn't care. No way this guy has ever touched a consenting, willing woman lol. But if he has an arranged marriage and inevitable divorce later, he will become a divorce court Andy for sure. These MRA guys only ever whinge about their own personal gripes, failures, and hatred surrounding women, its never about "men's rights" really. Just personal grievances.

[@kcolonelx6181]

I think it is just a coincidence that only men have to register for the draft.

[@arashkhosrowshahi6903]

Bro the whole reason the draft applies to men is patriarchy HELLO

[@janel.8921]

I remember a conservative writer arguing against women being drafted. Women’s job was to produce and raise children. These children would replace the people lost in wars.

[@07Flash11MRC]

True. He just refuses to accept that it was men in power who made these decisions.

[@soulwarrior]

"He is a hipster in his mind." 🤣🤣🤣

[@nelsonth]

OMG, I am so embarassed as an Indian, but yeah, patriarchy and misogyny is still entrenched in so much of India, that it's not surprising. Still embarassed 😅

[@Qbertqueso]

"Discrimination against men is the same as black people" I hate this guy

[@pjaypender1009]

Women have been suing because of that very issue since 1974 (the last time we had a draft) because the reason women don't have to register is that women are not free to do all the jobs in the military. Selective Service is an advantage to men, not women. The military will never have another draft. They know an all-volunteer army is far superior. Men are not oppressed.

[@Sohbek]

It's closer to 91% on the dollar once you normalize and account for the same actual positions. It wasn't 77 and then went up to 82, it has mostly stayed the same and it hasn't really budged since we started talking about it sadly

[@scrumtrellecent]

Could you imagine if what Emma said was true. I don't understand why women don't make up a majority of the workforce in the US. I mean companies could be saving 23 percent on payroll just by firing all men and hiring only women.

[@fighttheevilrobots3417]

​@@scrumtrellecentactually this has kind of happened. There are many documented examples in US history of companies choosing to hire women because they know they can monetarily devalue their labor. There are whole books written on the history of the interaction between capitalism and feminized labor.

[@terrystevens8338]

@@scrumtrellecent what Emma said was true.. and clearly you can’t just hire all women because they also still have to do their patriarchal ordered unpaid duties too. Saying companies could just hire all women is as stupid as saying that businesses could all hire black people for less therefore racism isn’t happening.. that’s not how the world works dumb dumb. I’m sure it sounded smart when you heard JP say it but your point is stupid. It also ignores the fact that men do the hiring and only hire men for jobs traditionally reserved for men. The men that hire are sexist and uphold the sexism they were raised into.

[@scrumtrellecent]

@@fighttheevilrobots3417 so history as in the past, right ?

[@Sohbek]

@@scrumtrellecent ​ No they do it to this day, but it's more based on personality and privilege/positions of power, basically they're predicting how aggressive that person will be in terms of their demands for compensation (pay, benefits, etc). This can sometimes trend in hiring women they think will be more passive because society broadly socializes women to typically be more passive.

[@caronadams4486]

This was awesome!! I was cheering you both on all through it.🎉🎉

[@trevorv9218]

But they lied to the caller. Literally lied with the statistics. That doesn’t bother you?

[@caronadams4486]

@@trevorv9218 Please give me specifics.

[@trevorv9218]

@@caronadams4486 What women make compared to men. She said it’s 82% even when considering the job. That’s a blatant lie and a huge factor of the wage gap of the kind of jobs men work and women work. Not to mention just how dishonest it is to not bring up the fact women get pregnant and have children causing them to often leave the work force. Those two factors right there pretty much make up the entire wage gap. What segments like this do is cause girls to literally think that if they apply for a job they will probably get 82 on the dollar for the same position as a man woujd which is just laughable. This is pure propaganda and pushes narratives to divide just as bad as the Right does.

[@caronadams4486]

@Trevor V Looks like the wage gap is only slightly less than men for the same job now...as long as women remain childless (Emma's statistics are off). What else did you notice? The studies clearly show there is a child penalty for women. Across the board, occupations dominated by women are less valued...certainly true for stay at home moms but also true in the job market. Women take a big hit having children. Not just physically, their ability to earn an income is significantly reduced. Unfortunately, I don't see a remedy until the work day is shortened so that both mom and dad are able to share job and child care equally.

[@trevorv9218]

@@caronadams4486 my problem is these kind of segments are completely disingenuous. I have come to realize that even if this show isn’t as bad as right wing propoganda it’s still not good for society because , especially Emma, never makes her arguments in good faith… Emma lying about the 82% and then both of them just pretending that women having children doesn’t effect this ‘wage gap’ only causes more outrage and division into society… they also need to accept the fact that half the country still believes In a traditional lifestyle where women spend the first few years taking care of their new born child. And is this a bad thing? I certainly would prefer my wife being the influence over my children and not some day care or babysitter. This is nature of women the relationship between women and their babies, and it’s how it’s been for hundreds of thousands of years.

[@whitneyw.7919]

It’s really nice to see a man fiercely advocating for women. This is rare, Thank you Sam!

[@leemarinus]

Wow! Just wow, the ignorance about the reality of the world, in general, women's issues specifically, and misogyny in the face of actual lived experiances is just. HORRIFYING!

[@billybaumann4445]

He had a point with the sentencing. We should take that seriously. It doesn't negate all the other inequalities though.

[@amyh9512]

This is what makes the MR special . He was polite to this guy who didn't have his stuff together but was still polite

[@trevorv9218]

Literally their argument here about the 82 cents to the dollar for the same job was a lie. And they just ignored the whole, you know, having children part. Do majority report fans like being misled and straight up lied to? This segment literally spreads false propaganda to people thinking they will apply for a job and earn 82 cents to the dollar as a man applying for the same job, this is Marxist style propaganda.

[@stefanlvkc7986]

Men in the US have to register for the draft (in the highly unlikely case that it is ever reinstated). MRA solution: take women's rights away. Real solution: get rid of mandatory registration for the draft and make is so the draft never comes back. JFC these MRA callers are dumb.

[@stephennootens916]

Having the draft still is the most stupidest thing. Anyone with two brain cells knows it will never be activated again. Sure sometimes like the early days of the war on terror you had talking heads float the idea or rumor might go around but it will never happen. The Draft has too much baggage to it from Vietnam. Everyone knows the story the kid whose parents don't have the right connection gets drafted and comes home longer the boy he use to be.

[@odessawild7798]

I wish sam had asked him "well [cis] women can't get vasectomies, so why should men be able to?"

[@mcfeelyat]

I love that by minute 3 Emma is just vibrating.

[@commandershepard9920]

Emma's reaction at 1:00 ... just says it all.

[@cosmicphoto05]

Yeah, I felt that viscerally... 🤣

[@elainascott7496]

I love men like this: "Sure men have been in charge of society for thousands of years, but the MINUTE you start caring about women's rights, 'We're being OPPRESSED!!!" :P

[@dearrationals]

This Indian guy should talk about the state of women's rights in his country. 🙄

[@rngwrm]

yeah, well women can't get their prostates checked, so it's even, ok?

[@jesusgalvez9161]

I think this is the same person that debated Hunter Avallone. He made identical points when debating Hunter.