Jordan Peterson Has Some Disturbing Ideas About Consent

[@JesusHChrist2000]

He thinks rape should only be a crime, if it pisses off Men who "care about the Woman"?? Wtf?

[@LinkRocks]

Yep, all conservatives think that.

[@leahsander5490]

And they only care about the woman apparently when they've got property rights on her!

[@arsefff]

I guess "general empathy" isn't a thing he was taught, or cared to learn.

[@vgaportauthority9932]

@@arsefff Most of us are born with the capacity for empathy. Some are not. Women have higher average empathy. Conservative men have the lowest amount of empathy of all groups of people. That's not a coincidence. Couple that with pro-psychopathy notions like "facts don't care about your feelings" (as if feeling stuff is a negative.. I guess it seems like that for conservatives who only have fear, disgust and rage as their emotions.) Add on top of that the fact that conservatives have larger amygdalas, which are parts of the brain responsible for fear, disgust, anxiety and all that reactionary stuff... And you get the conservative male... If you ever get super furious when someone cuts you off in traffic or speeds past you on the highway, your amygdala is probably large and you should keep that stuff under control. If any challenge to your claims makes you angry, probably got a big amygdala. If being told that you should wear a mask turns you into a raging lunatic and the next 3 years of your life is spent raging against it to the point where being an antimasker becomes fundamental to your identity, probably got a massive huuuuuuge amygdala. If you've been _scared_ of transgender people, amygdala big. Conservatives are lesser organisms both in genetic and societal terms. Often raised by similarly inept parents, they live their lives thinking that sharing and caring is evil. In fact, the notion of taxation SCARES them... Touching the rich's wealth is terrifying and a slippery slope to fullblown communism in their minds.. Even though the biggest boom of commerce happened when the rich got boned the hardest with taxation.. Facts don't really matter to these people when they feel they're right though.... You could say their feels don't care about facts. The existence of lefties makes them stockpile weapons to feel safe.. They plan to build doomsday bunkers and they've already picked out what food buckets they're going to stock their bunker with... They rampaged when their great leader didn't win the election cause they were TERRIFIED of _Joe Biden._ General empathy isn't overly present in these people biologically, and it's discouraged socially... You love your family and god, that's it. Everyone else is your competition. Rally 'round the family, pocket full of shells! Like Jesus intended!

[@ck58npj72]

@@vgaportauthority9932 So "nature vs nurture", I'm sure in the right (not politically right) environment, this would be an easy problem to solve.

[@Sforeczka]

I was sexually assaulted two weeks between my 21st birthday. I was in the US Army at the time. Now, was that a crime against my father? Or the US Army? Actually, in that time and context, it was me who committed a crime. If I reported the assault and named the perpetrator, I would be punished for causing harm to the rapist. That was 40 years ago. I never married (the assault had a big part in that), so who do I belong to? I'm 62 now. JP has little understanding of the diversity of experience, And what does he have to say about men who experience sexual trauma? The VA calls it military sexual trauma (MST) In absolute terms, the number of men veterans who experienced MST is much higher (in absolute terms) than women veterans. Slightly pushy? When he pushes you down, one hand around your throat, the other over your mouth and nose, and your only desire is live through it and get home.

[@mylittlekittens]

Sorry that happened to you 😔.

[@seame3795]

I pray you’ve found healing. I’m sorry this happened to you. 💔

[@JPanettieri]

It isn't obvious to Jordan Peterson that women are people.

[@landy952]

This. Also that they’re individual people. He’s always saying ; women need, women feel, women.m think

[@whypothetical]

He's almost exactly saying "I won't blame the victim, BUT if those victims were more sophisticated, they wouldn't be victims."

[@philwill0123]

And if they are victims they need to convince men, who we have told to ignore "me too" , because "something something woke something something Amber heard, so believe nothing"

[@theQuestion626]

I love the pretentiousness of Peterson when he throws out the word sophistication while he himself is a drug addict and crank oh and a gaslighting fascist.

[@lucasfreer2785]

You forgot the part where he says multiple times "It can happen to anybody".

[@theQuestion626]

@@lucasfreer2785 you seem to forget the part that is sole focus seems to be on blaming the victim in a rather indirect way. Just because he throws out “it can happen to anybody” is utterly meaningless when you factor in his sole focus.

[@solosynapse]

​@@lucasfreer2785He says it in the same way white supremacists say that systemic racism doesn't exist because a handful of individual black people are prejudiced against white people. He's also a quack & a grifter who pushes conspiracy theories & encourages incel mythology. You might as well be brown-nosing for Alex Jones.

[@kaybrown7733]

As a member of the female gender I don't give a 💩 about hurting some guys feelings by telling him no! No means NO!

[@mariag.8242]

and some of them don’t care

[@kaybrown7733]

@@mariag.8242 And that's the real problem.

[@kurisu7885]

And more men need to accept it and move on.

[@LucasMakes]

But won't you care about their feelings? Poor guys

[@kaybrown7733]

@@LucasMakes Uh no! 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@VV1tch3zNVVulv3z]

His calmness as he states the most INSANE shit is so horrifying… how can u say that and not gag on your words?

[@Ozhull]

And what's with this person interviewing him not pushing back? What a complete traitor to her gender

[@barbiedahl]

Cuz he's a malignantly narcissistic sociopath. After awhile they believe their own lies.

[@kurisu7885]

By being a total monster.

[@VV1tch3zNVVulv3z]

@@Ozhull seeing as it was held on the daily wire im not shocked by her disheartening behavior. self loathing & seeking validation... she needs to get a grip girl

[@PinkPanda-Zx]

He's spent decades thinking like this, that's how.

[@hauntedmushroomsasmr7716]

So what if the men in her life do NOT come to her defense? If her brother, father, husband or family friend assaults her and they want her to keep it quiet? Does she just...stay silent? How dare JP, how DARE he!

[@vgaportauthority9932]

It's almost like Jordan hasn't thought this through to the end.. Instead just applied his idiocy to the one woman in his life, his daughter.. "This solves the problem for my immediate family, thus it must solve the problem for all worthy families. Those, for whom this does nothing, deserve nothing."

[@BlackCover95]

Or if they’re in on it. e.g. trying to marry her off against her will.

[@Nocturnalux]

It gets even worse than that, what if it’s the men in her life who are the abusers? Because all too often, abuse starts at home, with fathers, cousins, brothers, uncles, raping girls. Then what? What will recourse do they have then?

[@aralornwolf3140]

@@Nocturnalux , As seen throughout history... the women (if they were adults at that time) get punished for bringing false accusations against men.

[@thomasalexander3849]

He’s saying that what constitutes abuse ought to be agreed upon by relevant actors in society. In this case it was a woman who was the abused, and if the abuse is to be societally legitimized, it ought to be recognized by men (the woman’s protectors) also- just as well as women. Now, I don’t wholeheartedly appreciate how Peterson went about articulating this idea but I understand what he is saying, and I don’t see it as misogynistic.

[@ileezamotherofrain4537]

I want JP to have a Freaky Friday and wake up as a young woman going to college, or a single mom working at a restaurant, or a woman who travels alone for work, or a young girl at home with her father, or literally any situation where he is a woman or girl who is not safe by herself in a room she can lock securely from the inside. After six months of interaction with "unsophisticated men", I truly wonder what he'd say.

[@stuff2008]

Alone with her father? I do not think that is a universal experience of dread for most kids male or female. You might be projecting your family experience in the universal experience. Second men experience insecurity in all the same situations. As children they are little and without power and are often scared. As they grow up they experience bulling threats of violence and a similar risk of abduction and murder. The chance of rape declines into the late teenage years just to be replaced with increased likelihood of competition violence and murder. The common argument is that this violence and fear doesn't count because other men were doing this. But experience it as an individual. Everyone else is not you and that you share a one dimensional trait with them is no consultation.

[@keldsleepnot7961]

@@stuff2008 well I bet all that mansplaining has put all those women in their place!

[@spacecat6022]

@@lorrainesmith.4995 Lots of women not wanting children too.

[@TheDivayenta]

@@keldsleepnot7961 👏👏👏❤️👏👏

[@thoticcusprime9309]

@@keldsleepnot7961 look a stupid creature just used" mansplaining" seriously without an actual argument

[@tylerhackner9731]

He has disturbing ideas about most things that seep into his tiny mind

[@johnsonsandra8069]

Disturbing to say the least

[@lim4275]

He does have some disturbing ideas. The thing I find most troubling about him is the ardor of his fans / followers. They pretty much worship him. If you try to point out anything even slightly negative about him, they just completely lose their minds. He has so many inconsistent positions, some of which are completely contradictory. He’s definitely a dumb person’s smart person.

[@jameshunt4611]

Tiny mind? Mate, his mind is soup

[@jennifermackinnon6982]

@@lim4275 he's Andrew Tate in a bad suit. And while I loathe Andrew Tate, he's way smarter than Peterson. If only we could see Peterson handcuffed and dragged off to jail.

[@sophiophile]

@@lim4275 The entire book maps of meaning looks like the scribblings of somewhat intelligent schizophrenic people I've known over the years. My boyfriend at the time became part of his cult-esque following before he became famous (when he had a little following of undergrads at UofT, solely based on his esoterica) and insisted I came to some of his classes with him. Even back then, my ex got really angry with me when I criticized Peterson's lectures as hilarious nonsense (and I am not someone unfamiliar with similar writings that have gained notoriety that at least have more internal consistency). The dedicated fans in the class were clearly half paying attention, going off on their own little tangent thoughts in their head, and when Peterson would say something that overlapped with their present thought would think 'Oh my god, how ingenious'. It was basically like a psychic cold reading.

[@britishrocklovingyank3491]

It's not complicated. It's super simple.

[@wilcee238]

Actually it’s super easy; barely an inconvenience.

[@steven5054]

It depends what you mean by "complicated" bucko!

[@M0oranshi]

@@steven5054 ehm... what? Hey Steven, steven, you are not on the right path if you want a GF. Just stop.

[@montecristo1845]

According to Peterson, a young woman is expected to not only be in charge of her own behavior but also the behavior of the young man she’s just met. That seems like a lot of responsibility!

[@boblangford5514]

@Wynn Because the mean girl needs to be nice to the poor boy’s feefees.

[@martinpfefferle2558]

But he isn't victim blaming

[@boblangford5514]

@@martinpfefferle2558 OP didn’t say he was.

[@jamesregiste960]

​@@martinpfefferle2558 He isnt...? Of course he is!

[@martinpfefferle2558]

@@jamesregiste960 sorry, sarcasm doesn't come through

[@shavedparmesanprosciuttoan4317]

When I was 15 and 16 I was taken advantage of sexually several times. I was quite unsophisticated and had extremely low self esteem so I did not push back in these situations. The idea of telling an adult man no, and the uncomfortable and potentially dangerous situation that would follow that “no” seemed like a worse option. But that just means it was my fault, right? Unfortunately I didn’t have any brothers to help me learn. Which means my parents friend and my best friend’s stepdad couldn’t be blamed for what they did with me. It’s completely my fault. I should have been more sophisticated. Well. I sure am now.

[@psychicbyinternet]

Sorry that happened to you. Fuck victim blamers.

[@christal2641]

I am so sorry no one defended you. I hope you have gotten some therapy; what you describe suggests that you were "groomed" by you parents to accept abuse. There are groups for survivors of sexual assault and child abuse. Many face this in their 30's, 40's or later.

[@samaraisnt]

This points to the heart of the flaw in his logic: children are inherently “unsophisticated” by design, which is why they are more often preyed upon. Secondly, not everyone has a male relative, because apparently only men can protect women but men can’t possibly be held accountable?? The most egregious part is that he paints young women & girls who are victims as “unsophisticated” but not LITERAL TROGLODYTE PEDO/R4P*ST SCUM like ok so all men are perfect and yet women are meant to be super-meta perfect by age 6 to fend off said men. The mental gymnastics is tiring…. 🧀 also what a great name you have it was really fun to read you must really love cheese!! Gave me a hoot.

[@gingernightmare9152]

It is not your fault. Talk to someone at the Rape crisis center. They have really good therapists there.

[@laurakrajnikburick2731]

So sorry for you having to go through such a horrible situation of rape and be blamed.

[@PlanetOfTheApes999]

Peterson is saying only men have the right to determine if a woman has been raped. This is, of course, misogynistic and totally insane, because rape is legally defined; it shouldn't matter whether people in rape victims' lives acknowledge that they were raped. Also, what if a woman has no men in her life? If we follow Peterson's ideas, such women will have no legal recourse if they are raped.

[@Quantris]

He's also saying that as a man, he wouldn't "in principle" defend a woman's right to not get raped unless he had ownership of her.... wolf in asshole's clothing

[@john.premose]

Well I'll put it this way: when I was growing up in a fundamentalist cult, the translation of the Bible they used, used the word "owner" instead of husband. This was in the 1990s, and I doubt they've changed it to this day.

[@incipidsigninsetup]

What a woman wants sexually from a man could easily be seen as assault or rape if she determines that's how it should be defined. Women have been asked to be slapped, choked, tied up, etc. A man who would refuse would be looked on as a pathetic wimp, too afraid to take control, but man who does so and gets blamed for sexual assault would be seen as a rapist. This is the reality that this channel would NEVER delve into. The narrative of women as the perpetual victim must be maintained.

[@Bpaynee]

@@incipidsigninsetup do you know what the definition you're missing that makes your whole example absolutely silly? You explicitly stated, in those situations they asked. It's the consent that makes the difference, that's the whole point

[@incipidsigninsetup]

@B it's not silly at all. You are ignorant to how some women weaponize sexual encounters, and for that, you should be grateful. There are plenty of men out there who know exactly what I'm talking about.

[@markellzey1531]

This is only difficult when you don't see women as equal.

[@landy952]

JP cares more about women rejecting men and hurting their feelings than he does women getting raped

[@nextchancenow7153]

In the 90s marital rape was still legal in some states.

[@LANDBACKbyANYmeans]

Marrying children is still legal in 43 US states.

[@nextchancenow7153]

@@LANDBACKbyANYmeans damn that’s screwed up

[@robertbunch7829]

And jordan was there for it !!!

[@nextchancenow7153]

@@robertbunch7829 JoPee does seem like a big fan

[@kurisu7885]

@@LANDBACKbyANYmeans Republicans threw a fit when that was recently going to change in Wyoming.

[@MissSpookyMooky]

Since Peterson is a hero to the incel community, this is not a surprise.

[@seame3795]

Right? He’s basically giving them a manual on how & who they should assault. 😔

[@PakeezSlayer]

You need to learn what incel means before using it. 😂

[@PakeezSlayer]

​@@seame3795Let me guess, you made that judgement and you've never actually read the book, am I in the ballpark?

[@MissSpookyMooky]

@@PakeezSlayer This is not the epic burn you think it is. There's actual footage of Peterson talking about how he's seen as the pseudo intellectual hero of the incels. Piers mogan asks him if he is exactly that. And he agrees that he is and gets quite emotional about it. So shush silly incel boy. 🤣🤣

[@PakeezSlayer]

@@MissSpookyMooky Point is you use these words, which by the way are meant to describe modern day school shooters who live in their mothers basements and think the world owes them a favor, except towards those who have been branded by social media as a problem for having a different opinion and not falling for your mentally ill ideologies, now nobody is saying feminism is a problem but now you want to call anyone trying to better their mental health and recapture their masclinity as an 'incel' AFTER the fact. Perhaps it would benefit you to sit and listen instead of crying and slapping labels on everything like some sort of psychopath who locks themself in an echochamber and can't deal with the fact that a different way of thinking exists

[@orun0810]

It's simple guys. If a woman says no at any point then you are done and need to walkway. Doesn't matter if you are at the bar, at her house in the bed or even butt naked in the middle of having sex. If she says no or even seems the least bit uncomfortable you wrap it up and go to the bathroom or home and handle the situation yourself. If you can't handle that then you need to seek clinical help.

[@rudalph5923]

For both parties too

[@juanmanuelmoramontes3883]

​@@rudalph5923True, but the problem is that most times the man can fully force themselves physically unlike women.

[@hwhahab8]

​@@juanmanuelmoramontes3883 it has nothing to do with physical power If men say no means no same goes with Women

[@sabb4989]

And how is it working out so far? Not getting the point

[@montecristo1845]

This also reminds me of every time an attack on a woman makes the news, clueless men in positions of power or influence say how terrible it is because, after all, they have a wife, daughter, sister, etc. Your level of empathy toward women should not be determined by the presence of women in your life!

[@Cindyy646]

This!!!

[@AhmadM25]

its easier to empathize that way since you can kinda imagine urself in the victims place more. The fact that you interpret that as negative shows me that you are a narcissist or a psych

[@micahbanimating610]

@@AhmadM25 you dont know them at all. Youre playing armchair psychiatrist

[@sainttheresetaylor2054]

@@AhmadM25 y can’t u just empathise with the fact that they’re human?

[@AhmadM25]

@@sainttheresetaylor2054 some people have trouble empathizing. including me. Everyone i know tells me i dont feel sympathy or empathy. Its not intentional though i try my best to empathize with people and sometimes i end saying weird shit thy sounds wrong yet helps me empathize

[@thomasprislacjr.4063]

"This is all very complicated..." No Peterson, it really isn't.

[@Terra_Lopez]

Well said! It's complicated for him, perhaps, because he can't simply empathise and have compassion, and truly put himself in someone's shoes. It has to be about him, or conceptual extensions of him, for it to make sense to him, it seems. Maybe...? I'm not sure. Any thoughts?

[@WendyWatersctmm]

@@Terra_Lopez you nailed it! The sun rises and sets in Peterson's arse.

[@JasonGiaccone]

What a weasel phrase.

[@justanothernick3984]

@@Terra_Lopez He has always had this position, even in the women in workplace/makeup interview, he doesn't understand consent. According to him; "we don't know where the boundaries are". One example, staring. If someone thinks your behavior is inappropriate and asks you to stop, it's enough. Same with personal space. None of these need any amount of physical touch, still there is a form of consent needed to engage in those behaviors. Then like with any legal issues, the processing can be really difficult but that's also the case in sexual violence. He seems to want there to be an objective rule and to be the arbiter of said rule. Sh!t, he has 24 already.

[@PinkPanda-Zx]

@@justanothernick3984 ​ He doesn't understand what the boundaries are.. I'm not even kidding. He has a pattern even in his practice of running into trouble with female clients, it seems like he just has a complete inability to understand women.

[@SameAsAnyOtherStranger]

Dude's crying about getting cancelled then proceeds to be unquestionably worthy of it.

[@sphtpfhorbrains3592]

You would cry if you were to be cancelled for something.

[@gracieb.3054]

@@sphtpfhorbrains3592 I don't give a crap if someone is upset they're "cancelled" for something objectively offensive they did.

[@sphtpfhorbrains3592]

@@gracieb.3054 "Objectively offensive" - are you for real? What is offensive to one person, is not necessarily offensive to another. Therefore, when offense is taken, it is purely subjective. Very telling when someone will support cancel culture and determine that their view of what's offensive should be applied universally. Very authoritarian and dangerous.

[@user-cl6uj5bn2f]

💯👏 edit: this comment is in agreement with the original poster

[@user-cl6uj5bn2f]

​@@sphtpfhorbrains3592So would you say child trafficking is objectively offensive, or is it ok if not everyone thinks so? Moral relativism is also dangerous. Also, is your username supposed to look as though it says "shit for brains? Just curious.

[@oafee1053]

Jordan Peterson is a perfect demonstration of why feminism remains relevant.

[@austinrichards5643]

I feel like it's become even more relevant now because conservatives are saying the quiet part out loud now and being openly misogynistic... And of course pushing to take away freedoms like access to healthcare that were fought for before. We're literally going backwards, and we need feminism to push back

[@x-marks-x5137]

@@austinrichards5643everyone needs to push back, not just females!

[@andywomack3414]

Not just feminism, but rational thought and honest rhetoric as well. He takes simple concepts and lards them up with almost meaningless mambo-jumbo.

[@arcadiaberger9204]

@@x-marks-x5137 I'm grateful to see how many men are unapologetically identifying as feminists these days.

[@nikolaipersad4098]

THIS!!

[@uwmsc]

Jordan Peterson is the ultimate embodiment of the Dunning Kruger effect…

[@wilcee238]

Nah he’s more like Freddy Krueger

[@Bird_Dog2099]

He's kind of like Victor Krugar. The Victor Krugar effect...

[@MissyGail4eva]

There's being so ignorant to one's own ignorance that one simply ignores any opportunity to grow.. and then there's remaining indifferent to one's own indifference that making a difference in another's life is a joy one will never know.

[@buttlord4204]

So wild that confused and stupid men and boys come to this "sage" for his "wisdom.". I dunno about you, but if I am taking advice from someone on how to live, how to think, and what to believe, I am going to pick someone who has something I want. Faith, serenity, a lasting peace that I want in my life. This "man" lives in perpetual darkness, he's got none of the light that Jung claimed was the very essence of masculinity, he's got nothing worth having. He is a miserable creature that's created miserable children. He's got nothing of value for anybody, and it's truly sad that fools turn to him and take his advice. He doesn't know how to live, let alone how to live a good life.

[@radnukespeoplesminds]

What about dennis prager?

[@conorford7852]

The first case of marital rape in the United States was 1978 Also, I need someone to get a head count on the number of times Jordan Peterson says "it's really complicated" about things that nobody else thinks is complicated

[@craffte]

This shit right here. I start a timer. Or I have shots ready.

[@julianyc422]

Unmarried women just got the right to birth control, currently only legal for married women. And it was a hard fight to make it illegal to rape your wife.

[@grahamskippy]

​@@craffte A drinking game would undoubtedly leave you dead within 20 minutes

[@jamesregiste960]

​​@@grahamskippyt's his "get out of jail free ", card "!😊

[@Paddrique]

Yet he thinks the psychology of all trans and gay people is the same.

[@askingbetterquestions]

I would love to hear Emma do a 45 minute solo rant on this.

[@pamelaibarra790]

Yes! Id love to see that! I would also love to see her get 5 minutes with this guy to tell him how stupid he is to his face.

[@rsr789]

@@pamelaibarra790 Oh, she would be justified in sticking an ice pick into his eye... well, through his eye sock and into the area where his 'brain' is.

[@elephantintheroom5678]

Me too! She was doing exceedingly well!

[@J.Soffer]

She needs her own segment!

[@michaeltuffin5002]

And zero from sam

[@rajabuta]

I'm not trying to blame the victim. Because I don't need to try. I AM blaming the victim.

[@wilcee238]

What victim?! /S

[@rajabuta]

@@wilcee238 there are no victims. There are only uneducated female

[@jake-lynndobos659]

it just comes naturally

[@russellward4624]

@@wilcee238 rape victims

[@SLDimarco]

@@russellward4624 /s means sarcasm

[@Reienroute]

Emma nailed it. Jordan Peterson is just showing his own inability to sympathize with women and extending that shortcoming to some naturalistic assumption about men in general. This means he must also believe that there's a good, or at very least understandably compulsory, reason for men to not be able to sympathize with women. And he's so far past having already reflexively justified his blatant misogyny that he's struggling to not word it in a way which even he's aware sounds dehumanizing to the person he's speaking to.

[@Terra_Lopez]

Great point. This is really well explained, and an important point. My friend, who is/was a JP fan, finds it almost impossible to understand anyone who is not just like himself. So people like me, or women in general, he just doesn't understand, and he always assumes we are just like him in how we think and process information.

[@theinvisiblewoman5709]

In one of his old videos JP just realized his wife is wise and smart and has valid thoughts and feelings after 20+ years of marriage. He needs to get off the internet.

[@skippylanoue966]

he's an intellectual psychopath, the ultimate incel....very dangerous since so many young men apparently idolize this guy

[@skippylanoue966]

@@theinvisiblewoman5709 he's married? 🤣😳😳😳

[@jerry182shalala]

Damn you nailed it

[@memecity9849]

How about if someone doesn't want to have sex, you don't force yourself on them, even if you're married, regardless if you're a man or woman.

[@wilcee238]

Whoa! Slow down there chief. /S

[@memecity9849]

@wilcee238 lol sorry for the radical idea

[@ranniemanangan5371]

Whoa there buddy, those are big words... Do you think JP and his ghoulish fans would understand it?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@arsefff]

You needs at least a couple of books to get anywhere near such an extreme conclusion. How about we all clean up our room and think of lobsters instead?

[@MrAlathiel]

what the fuck, what's next? Police not being able to shoot whoever they want without consequence? Republicans being held accountable for the lies they tell? This country really is running towards ruin.

[@matthewgracey1894]

Wow.... I was 16 a long time ago, and the girls I fancied had no problem setting limits and communicating them. I also had no problem seeking consent.

[@maricamaas2326]

Decent guys seek consent, and decent girls set limits and communicate them. Lines get blurred, and behaviour change though, whenever one or both parties are under the influence of alcohol (or other drugs). In your opinion: Would an intoxicated 16 year old girl be able to set limits, and will she remember later what she had been communicating? Alcohol effects people in different ways by lowering inhibitions. Typically men gain confidence, and women become loose. Some become aggressive and violent, and when in that state, will a man be seeking consent?

[@matthewgracey1894]

Well, looks like it's been a year since I wrote this. Don't even know what the video was about, but I am not subjecting myself to more JP. I'd say, in terms of consent, if the established boundaries have changed for someone when they happen to be drunk, you don't take advantage of that. You respect their established wishes expressed while sober. Regarding drunk people pushing established boundaries, we don't make excuses for driving while drunk because we were too drunk to know better. The same goes for sexual assault.

[@subcitizen2012]

Society: "rape is bad." Peterson: "well hang on, let's think about that for a second."

[@Adam-nw1vy]

"It's not obvious to me that that is case" in JP voice.

[@donnievance1942]

"It's kawmplicated."

[@thane732]

if society is the one saying rape is bad, how does it make sense to also believe society has a rape problem?

[@Argumemnon]

"I don't call it rape. I call it the pushing game."

[@joostdriesens3984]

"Hypothetically, bad could also mean, among other things, good, which I find fascinating." - JP

[@GhostInTheMachine165]

Emma really shined in this segment.

[@braydenkenney3313]

She's been really great recently and as much as I love hearing from Sam I wish he'd stop interrupting her so much lmao.

[@basedtruthpiller7140]

California has just legalized relationships between adults and children as long as the child is, and I quote directly from the legislation... a 'willing participant'

[@mickael486]

She's allowed to "Pause It" whenever she wants.

[@mrwaltermathews]

@@braydenkenney3313 she makes me cringe almost every time she speaks but here she is spot on and articulate

[@thomasrussell4674]

@@braydenkenney3313 true, she's a good anchor in her own right.

[@gekyumes_dad]

Wow he is making such a simple concept of consent too complex. We don’t need this man

[@theinvisiblewoman5709]

Bro said if a woman has even a remote interest in a man then a claim of rape is questionable because when does consent start and stop is unclear. When consent starts and stops is never unclear because it always stops at “no” and there is too many examples of when consent starts but the main one is “yes”.

[@amylake9064]

@The Invisible Woman and like... does he think people in relationships can't rape each other? Just because you've had sex before and will definitely want to in the future, does not mean you want it all of the time. There will be times where one of you just doesn't want to, for whatever reason, and that's fucking fine. Consent is so fucking easy. Is my partner responding positively to my advances? Yes? Keep going. No? Stop. Not sure? Ask.

[@wirelesmike73]

We need this man, and men like him, to disappear from existence, entirely... For the benefit of all men and women around the world.

[@wirelesmike73]

@@amylake9064 Actually, Yes, he does believe that partners in a relationship can't be raped by their partner, because partnership (to him) is servitude to the wants and needs of the man. He believes that it is the responsibility of the woman to perform her womanly duties on demand in order to keep his ego fully intact, without question. He is a twisted fuckhead, and he should be in a mental institution instead of giving young men advice on life.

[@vgaportauthority9932]

@@amylake9064 It's only called "complex" by people who have some shady shit in their past tbh.. Just like how everything morally dubious is "complex"... "I only drove 80mph in the school zone cause I had to take a dump, officer... Surely you can see the complexity?" no... Poop in your car while keeping within the speed limit... Or find some other way to get the job done without breaking the law... Putting people at risk because you gotta poop, stop and think about it.. Not hard to figure out what's right or wrong there.. Traffic rules are not complex.. And consent is considerably LESS complex even just on an empathy level... You don't have sex with people who aren't into it unless you're into having sex with people who aren't into it, AKA being into being a sadistic rapist. Jordan has 100% raped women. 100% guaranteed, that's why he's calling consent complex, that's why he's calling rape complex. It's not complex. Rape is brutality, the degree of the brutality matters, but it's not like there's a good rapist out there because "at least she didn't cry, so I guess I'm not really a rapist, it's complex." Nah, still a rapist. Just left a woman confused and maybe even feeling somewhat to blame for not being more clear... Jordan wants all bad men to be seen as misunderstood, and all women to be seen as misunderstanders...

[@missinterpretation4984]

I used to see little clips of him and think he was just a rambling professor and not so bad. Now I feel a sense of rage I can’t explain.

[@annamari7863]

there are many of us who feel like that.

[@Briggsian]

"If there's a woman in the woods, and no man around to see her, does she really exist?" - Jordan Peterson (probably)

[@kattodoggo3868]

🤣💅🍷

[@ozymandiasramesses1773]

"Catch her in the rye." -Jordab Peterson.

[@rajbhattacharya4427]

Yeah he's totally a violent misogynistic reapist. And people actually believe that. Lol

[@elsagrace3893]

@@timdahuman9781eew gross, I’m not aware of that. I’ll watch if I can find it. But one thing about David that you may have misread is that he doesn’t get combative EVER. He destroys with reason in a friendly way with a smile on his face. If a viewer is watching only for emotion and not laser focused on content of his words one would mistakenly believe that David Pakman was in agreement with his guest. Check with yourself about what you focus on and I will check David’s podcast with Scott Galloway.

[@elsagrace3893]

@@timdahuman9781older JP made a lot of sense on certain subject. Even then he was a bit out there on religion IMO but recent JP is off the rails. It may be the content that you are watching and depend on if it’s old or new.

[@rlh1984]

“I’m not trying to blame the victim.” Really? You’re doing a great job.

[@youretoopolitical8611]

He doesn’t need to try. It comes naturally

[@pamelaibarra790]

Isn't he though? He's such a moron.

[@jamesregiste960]

Jordan lies, so glibly, that's Exactly what he was doing.

[@AkasaBhikkhu-wn8uk]

Yes or no. Do women have agency? If women do have agency, then, why does asking a woman for her account about what she did automatically mean "victim blaming"? Whenever I see the term "victim blaming" I see (self identified 'victims') engaging in a behavior which I would identify as . So... Do women have agency or not?

[@bluest1524]

Yeah, abusers always single out the most vulnerable. It is entirely the fault of the perpetrator: not the sophistication or lack thereof of the victim..

[@user-cz3sl5gr3n]

I literally had my jaw drop open in shock as he started to say that he was going to "push back" against the idea that women aren't property and that it is "complicated". I don't know why I'm so shocked when conservatives say the quiet part out loud. It's just so crazy to hear them say it. Unbelievable.

[@milesfurther4395]

So true. And what makes it even more illogical is that in some Arabic countries where women are treated like property, rape victims are still stoned to death due to “sexual immorality”. Nothing he’s saying makes any sense.

[@mdale814]

Is it a requirement that someone be legitimately retarded to be a Seder fan? At no point did Peterson say he was going to push back against the idea that women aren't property. You have to be sub-70 IQ or radically dishonest to interpret his words that way.

[@georgeednie7723]

@@milesfurther4395 I would guess his ideal world is something akin to that, but Christian.

[@lovinliverpool]

@@milesfurther4395 Peterson is quite popular in arab countries, he has tons of fans over there

[@ruthokelley5833]

Peterson’s views on most all subjects are ‘complicated!’ However…his words remind me of people reading the Bible…and how different people will interpret the same passages of scripture differently…unless they have been indoctrinated by their religious teachings to interpret scripture one certain way! Learning everything out of some book never brings about wisdom! This is where I see that Peterson is in short supply!

[@steelcom5976]

Rape is about power and dominance that results in a violent crime. To introduce it as a lack of communication and sophistication by the victim is a massive red herring.

[@Attmay]

Tell that to Mary Kay LeTourneau. Then tell that to her fellow nonmale p3d0 Simone deBeauvoir who invented feminism to cover up her lust for underage boys.

[@hugevagiine]

Do men never get raped?@wynn1587

[@m3mn0nYT]

"a crime against a woman is a crime only until a man is sufficiently aggrieved" - Jordan Peterson.

[@BadgerCommander]

Jordan Peterson watching The Last Duel - Exactly, this is how rape trials should be done!

[@jennifer7685]

Nailed it

[@antimediaman9354]

Thats not what he said. He said if you watch his whole show that when a mother is raped the kids are affected as well as the husband, and Sam and the ignorant cast of charactors fail to acknowledge that the rapist is being sentenced on behalf of the family's suffering as well.. It's called a deliberating mispreterial dummys!! This is our current justice system, and they wanna over throw it!!

[@jonm7888]

@@antimediaman9354 nice try

[@lilstevechan8427]

I think, on some level, Peterson denies the validity of women's issues, merely seeing them as a histrionic distraction from the REAL issues - cultural Marxism, wokeism and men being sad.

[@craigbradford4850]

Whenever Peterson is getting ready to talk for a long time without really saying anything, he starts with “It’s complicated”

[@Argumemnon]

"Climate change? Well climate is everything, and you can't have a theory about everything!!!"

[@darthmocap]

Any time he is about to same some unhinged shit - “It’s complicated.”

[@feistygheisty]

"Well that depends on what you mean by..."

[@agitatedaligator5340]

Do you believe in god? WeLl what Do u MeAn By DO?? And what do u mEaN by BeliEve??? What Is gOD? And I MeaN preCisely

[@elduderino007]

"It's worth pondering...." followed up by an unhinged, unfiltered, off the top of the dome ramble.

[@DerekCarrMusicPhotographer]

I can’t believe this guy is/was a licensed psychologist.

[@quantize]

still is, should be was. He's deranged.

[@denisdaly1708]

He would never be licensed in Ireland.

[@termsofusepolice]

Imagine a woman who came to him for therapy after having suffered a sexual assault. "I think healing can only begin when you start to think about this less as an assault against your own humanity and personhood and more as an assault against your husband's assets."

[@aaronmichaelwilkie9593]

He will be losing his license to practice very soon.

[@Briggsian]

I'm in school to become a psychologist myself. I was genuinely shocked to learn he had a psychology background.

[@oneraindrop8089]

We need to talk more about how much Peterson hates birth control

[@rsr789]

Ironically, Peterson should have been aborted.

[@DarkWandererAU]

Maybe if you listened to his reasons for being cynical about it you might learn something from a different perspective

[@hojosconsal9913]

Please enlighten us!

[@leilameow9582]

@@hojosconsal9913 He says birth control makes women act more like men, and that women on it mimic infertility thus making them more attracted to men with narrower jaws and feminine features and that it is therefore unnatural and contributed to issues with modern dating (which as you can guess is not backed up by data or any evidence and in-fact sounds a whole like the pseudo-science and phrenology nonsense spread on Incel forums). He also claims the introduction of birth control was a mistake as a part of women's liberation because women were then able to have more casual sex and that made them more promiscuous bringing negative consequences society and making women unhappier. I am genuinely surprised that any women listens to this hack.

[@LynetteA68]

ALL REPS hate birth control!! They already did away with Roe and they’ve CLEARLY said BC is next on their list!!!

[@Caitlin_TheGreat]

Jordan's take on "the pill makes it more complicated" is an innate dismissal that women (or anyone, really) has the right to say no. Because he says that aside from not wanting to get pregnant, just saying "I don't want to have sex" isn't good enough. Not consenting isn't, for Jordan Peterson, good enough reason to forego forcing someone to have sex. This isn't any revelation, but it does reinforce what we already know: there's something deeply wrong with Jordan Peterson.

[@buttlord4204]

I remember when I first heard of him way back, somehow landing on his Amazon page, looking at the free pages of some book "he" wrote. It was literally just him re-writing the Jungian concepts that Joseph Campbell has famously written about, except with all the elegance removed and all these extraneous words shoehorned in all slapdash and crappy. He really is a pseudointellectual, maybe got a little smarts sure, but zero wisdom, zero emotional intelligence, nothing worth saying.

[@vgaportauthority9932]

Can't wait to abuse his butt and then tell him it was fine because he is sexually active. I mean if he didn't want it, why would he be sexually active in his life as a whole? Him being sexually active really makes it complicated.

[@Nocturnalux]

You’re absolutely right. Simply not wanting to have sex is not a valid reason for a woman to say no. Somehow, it’s all about hurting the man’s fee fees.

[@Nocturnalux]

You’re absolutely right. Simply not wanting to have sex is not a valid reason for a woman to say no. Somehow, it’s all about hurting the man’s fee fees.

[@vanessacallahan3515]

He still believes women are fragile and need men to protect their honor and aren’t able to seek Justice themselves.

[@ClannCholmain]

Jordan Peterson is disturbed.

[@barbiedahl]

Quite.

[@Spiritof_76]

Drugs...

[@pllpsy665]

Benzos abuse causes brain damage. He has all the symptoms of that.

[@yaketysmack5512]

Confused and sick

[@yaketysmack5512]

Confused and sick

[@jennifermackinnon6982]

Emma on fire here. Good to see. Like seeing her shine like this. Give us more.

[@SanMiguelTVRadio]

😂

[@PurushaDesa]

"Sympathy for that perspective." Meaning what? I feel sorry you have that opinion? "Sophisticated women." Stunning. STUNNING that he thinks he can categorise women fending off harassers and rapists into sophisticated versus unsophisticated.

[@dangerousd1312]

the avoidance of empathy is almost hilarious

[@MrYago-xd7um]

Easy to laugh when kermit goes full SNL Weinstein in 35 seconds.

[@john.premose]

His Objectivist principles preclude empathy. Everything must be transactional in his worldview, because it supports capitalism's hegemony and that's the only thing rightwingers actually care about.

[@buttlord4204]

you know what pretty famously can cause that, is opiate abuse. it can like, close your heart, if you know what I mean. I have always suspected his "benzodiazapine" addiction was his cowardly, dishonest way of concealing his actual addiction, to both opiates and benzos. Which makes a lot more sense in the context of him flying to Russia to be knocked out for a week to go through withdrawal without feeling it, like the coward he is. Benzo w/d can be dangerous, but what it isn't, is particularly psychically painful. Can cause seizures, in those predisposed, but the suffering is nil, no sleep for a couple days, feeling a little bit on edge. Bit opiate withdrawal plunges you into darkness. Even that, anybody who would be worth taking advice from can appreciate the pain, deal with is, look at the psychic state like a rare bird showing up in your yard or something, just observe it while it lasts. But his lack of insight and faith, that darkness is too much for him to bear. Like the coward he is, he demanded access to a shortcut through it all. Little man has a lot to say about the heroes journey, all jacked straight from the pages of Joseph Campbell's books because he truly does not grasp Carl Jung's thought despite supposedly specializing in it... but he himself has no ability to walk through those dark places, let alone cross through them, learn something transformative, and come out the other side better for it

[@vgaportauthority9932]

@@john.premose His transactional world view is pretty much the extent at which his mind can operate.. Once he has to take feelings into account, his whole thing just crumbles. That's actual complexity that he doesn't have the capacity to tackle. That's why sociopaths like Jordan and Shapiro work outside of human psychology and disregard people's quality of life completely. They literally lack the ability to understand emotion. Jordan is so inept at understanding it that he just cries for no reason ALL THE TIME. Hilarious. Easy to make a moral framework if you care nothing about other people and disregard their feelings and emotions fully just to favor your own disciples... "Hey guys, consent is complex, listen to daddy, it's complex." Meanwhile, good people go "No means no."

[@thane732]

@@john.premose he's... not an objectivist lol. what makes you think he is?

[@leparfumdugrosboss4216]

It's seriously disturbing that there are people who look up to this dude.

[@JacobWalker909]

Jordan we went over this. You can't just blame the victim and then say "But I'm not trying to blame any victims"

[@federicosbetta1368]

well... I gues he was not trying but just doing it overtly.

[@psychicbyinternet]

It's like "I'm not racist but..." or "I'm not trying to be a dick but..."

[@comanchio1976]

@psychicbyinternet Beat me to it. The lack of intelligence needed to even attempt such a basic, obvious verbal conjuring trick, is staggering. And some people consider this tool to be the most important public intellectual of our age. Hell's bells.

[@goblin3359]

So his point is that if women are raped, it's important to demonstrate how it harms men before it can be taken seriously. Words fail.

[@angiebams123]

He is evil.

[@frankkarvell]

Just when you think Jordy Peterson couldn't be more of a ghoul

[@richardvinsen2385]

I’ve never thought that about him. He can always go lower.

[@Ellieempress]

Him and Matt Walsh are very dark and strange individuals.

[@yennefer440]

@renee ciccioni Yeah, Matt Walsh is for child marriage. He's a sick f*ck.

[@WillBravoNotEvil]

@@Ellieempress They've learned not to interact with actual opponents. Instead, they field softballs from an imaginary inquisitor OR a supplicant from the Amen Chorus 🤡

[@fl00fydragon]

"That complicates things" is petersonian for "I know what I want is evil and thus I will indirectly advocate for the evil that was banal and widely accepted in the past because I am uncomfoprtable with a society that is different than the one I grew up in because I don't want to have to come to grips that things I was told as a kid by my parents to be good were actually bad"

[@Don.tKillTheMessanger]

The things he was told? Or the things that he did? Maybe he's trying to justify his own behaviour from when he was in college.

[@theinvisiblewoman5709]

For anyone who wants to know what consent and withdrawal of consent looks like in a natural and common scenario* let me express one from personal experience: I was at a house party (with friends). Met a guy. He approached me with small talk about food and music. We hit it off. (My engagement with him was two ways and I was showing interest in him) Then he started to to bring up what we are gonna do after the party. I told him “I’m going home alone” (this was a soft rejection) he laughed and walked away and my friends nearby who overheard came over to ask if everything was okay. After that the party died down a bit, he came back around to me. He kept saying how even though he was a bit younger (by a couple years) he could woo me. Honestly I did like him at first and was disappointed at his inability to accept my pass. I being a bit tipsy by then told him out loud enough for other guests to hear “I’m not having sex with you!” (This is me not giving consent). He walked away again. Once I was ready to leave I made my goodbyes and walked to my car with a male friend who I was taking home (yes I made sure to sober up first) and other party goers. This fool stood in front of my car blocking me from leaving. I told him no I’m just trying to get home can’t you see I have a passenger. (Me for the 2nd time clearly not giving consent). Luckily some of the other party goers removed him not so nicely from in front of my vehicle and my friend and I got to our homes safe. This is a prime example of how just because a woman shows interest in a guy doesn’t mean he will continue to maintain her interest and how he should accept “no” when it arises.

[@amylake9064]

I'm glad you got away safely

[@Nocturnalux]

Yes, absolutely. I have another example: I was having enthusiastic, entirely consensual sex with my ex when suddenly, a stab of pain ripped through my body My ex immediately stopped and right away was asking what was wrong. By Peterson’s standards, he should just have kept at it. I didn’t even have to ask him to stop, he immediately noticed something was wrong. That is how it should be. And it was his first relationship, too, he was 17 at the time, I was 19.

[@mostlyharmless6x9]

Ah, but were you on the pill? That could have confused and complicated things for this pushy man..... /s

[@tschorsch]

What a creep.

[@choccolocco]

I had kind of an opposite incident at a party. Hooked up with a girl, who was very willing. We got all “hot and bothered”, both butt naked for quit a bit. As the deed was about to “officially” start, she suddenly changed her mind. As a guy, of course I tried to “talk her into it”, I was literally on top of her, both fully naked. She still said “no, don’t”. So I, being raised to respect women, begrudgingly got up and put my clothes back on, and left the room. To be fair, I said quite a few bad things about her, in the moment, but NEVER, NOT ONCE, did “force” ever cross my mind. I want no part of a woman that doesn’t want me, plain and simple.

[@weikel]

Even putting aside the property concept, he clearly doesn't see women as having any agency. He thinks the only way to prevent rape is by having men be angry. As tho only the anger of men makes a crime valid. His misogyny and narcissism is off the charts. It's insane how often he calls literally anyone who doesn't like him narcissistic, when I don't think I've heard a more narcissistic person speak.

[@user-pvmdmtl]

Humans are naturally patriarchal and hierarchical. Men need to protect their women. Promiscuity is wrong for both men and women, and leads to single motherhood, STDs, psychological issues, rape.

[@mariamiller1435]

Projection is the narcissist’s favorite tool.

[@fifiadan]

I hate to break it to you buddy with without men enforcing laws / families protecting their women there’s nothing which presents a women from being r*ped

[@spacecat6022]

@@SantasGAINdeer It was the Peterson clown but indeed, sadly he is not alone thinking this in those right wing chuds.

[@spacecat6022]

He definitively sees no value in women. When he was let's say "sane" or less crazy, he was already claiming that women now having jobs and ambitions was taking away the jobs and ambitions of men since men are the saviors of women and if women are not there passively waiting to be saved, what is a man's life? According to him, women should go back to be damsels in distress, forced to give themselves to the man saving them from whatever. No choice, the man who came to their rescue is the one assigned to them, he deserved them. That is order. Otherwise females are chaos. That weird guy really had such crazy sexist ideas...

[@brewstergallery]

The statement that a woman should be classified as property " to get men on her side " in a case of assault and rape is not only ridiculous and awful but saying men in general need it to be that way in order for them to believe her or care. Every time Jordy boy says these things it just reveals more about his own sickness.

[@jeffengel2607]

These bozos really, REALLY are not good faith advocates for men when their entire message is about how men shouldn't be held to the standards of decent adequately-socialized adults. One's friends do not make one worse.

[@immanuelcunt7296]

Luckily Jordan didn't make that statement and it's a complete strawman.

[@emona]

@@immanuelcunt7296 right....I bet no one in the comments section actually watched the podcast. That whole segment was littlerally discussing how the lefts "consent" frame work isn't enough to protect women and is to simplistic of a concept to accurately guide men and women through complex sexual interactions between each other. Women often feel taken advantage of even though the "consent" rule wasn't violated and women have deal with the fall out from that, but of course people hear what they want to hear because it fits the narratives they already have in their heads I guess. Smh.

[@emilianosintarias7337]

It is horrible, but how is Majority Report any better? They are literally claiming rape is about women and men.

[@cleomenes01]

Lol did he say that?

[@dragonmybaggage]

Sam nailed that impression so nicely.

[@phillip8132]

unfortunately, as good as their impressions of peterson are, it tends to undercut the seriousness of his aberrant views on things.

[@ethereal-alice]

@@phillip8132no it demonstrates a true understanding of it by recontexualizing it imo

[@GhostInTheMachine165]

@@phillip8132 I think Sam was just trying to lighten up the mood, he literally stops the clip out of disgust (and rightfully so)

[@joeymac4302]

I love that his impression was so detailed that he failed to finish a single statement. But he does need work on the hand signs. It's lacking in authenticity due to the missing jedi mind tricks.

[@dragonmybaggage]

@@phillip8132 So true. It just sucks that sometimes these people are so outrageous you just have to laugh.

[@sirphineasluciusambercromb9114]

My mum was terminated by her school district for being pregnant with me in 1971. A housewife with a baby could not legally keep her job back then.

[@dmob881]

I started work in a UK bank just after they lifted the marriage bar.. .women lost their jobs when they got married, and even just engaged, in some professions, until 1972.

[@sirphineasluciusambercromb9114]

@@dmob881 It's abysmal that Britain, America, etc. allowed such sex discrimination.

[@dmob881]

@@sirphineasluciusambercromb9114 Yes, indeed. When I think back, and realise what I witnessed in my own lifetime, it does shock me. And I fear the likes of Jordan Peterson would have us right back there again in a heartbeat.

[@hugevagiine]

Thats Jordan Petersons fault

[@cryschanel32]

This was as recent as the 90's. Stepfather beat and raped my mother in our home, and the police did nothing. We live in Washington State. Police would say, 'it's a family matter', and left her & us 3 daughters in the home with the monster. She never even had her own bank account, let alone a credit card. People STILL think like this, and it's disgusting. Stepfather is free, living with his next victim, same town. Mom died at 54. Nobody gives a shit.

[@bigd3266]

I'm so deeply sorry to hear that XOXOS

[@olympiaelda1121]

This is horrendous. Im so sorry!

[@missinterpretation4984]

I’m so sorry 💔

[@RawOlympia]

understood

[@psychicbyinternet]

That's awful. I'm really sorry. ACAB.

[@Mas_Tun]

"bring the men to her side in principle" _enters statement into Google Translate_ "bros before hos"

[@john.premose]

So basically he's saying that the only reason a woman's father or brothers, or other male family, will care that she got raped is if they view it as an offense against themselves instead of her. What a low view he has of men, he's basically saying men can't feel compassion or concern for anyone unless it personally hurts them.

[@buttlord4204]

Bizarre like, he argues that rape is solved by the fact that it enrages brothers and fathers and male friends and family, and uh, they presumably go out and beat up the attacker? Half or more of the women I've known intimately enough for them to want to tell me about such things have lived through sexual violence. How many then had their brothers, fathers, etc go out and get vigilante justice against the perpetrator? I mean, none, as far as I know? Supposedly in early human civilization, serially sexually violent men would wind up mysteriously dying during hunting trips. But these days, we literally live in a society, men might still have that urge to solve such problems directly, but they also have families they know would be worse off if and when they got locked up for doing that. So, it doesn't happen JP always argues so forcefully with the most flawed and just on it's face, just entirely wrong points-of-view. It's literally like listening to a 15-year-old boy, completely confident in his own correctness, entirely oblivious to the fact that he's seeing things through an entirely untempered and autistic lens

[@cicalinarrot]

This. The man shares 99% of his ideas with those macho motivational coaches and pick-up artists, but since he also happens to be an academic, he knows how to talk like one and he can paint that crap with intellectual sounding arguments. He shouldn't be part of any debate about women. You don't invite pro-pedophila intellectuals at debates about pedophilia.

[@john.premose]

@@buttlord4204 exactly, it's like he's living in some world where there's no police, no law, where people just go out and exact vigilante justice. Delusional doesn't even begin to cover it.

[@tschorsch]

@nickroll2171 in saying that he's revealing who he is. This is why he always has to fall back upon rules (and the ones he chooses are lousy) to get to morality. Most people have an innate sense of right and wrong, he clearly does not and he's probably sociopathic and maybe even psychopathic.

[@Argumemnon]

As a Canadian, I apologise for Jordan Peterson.

[@michah321]

We know it's not a Canadian thing. I mean, I know for the US, we have plenty of j.. as''s*..

[@mdale814]

Why? He's the only decent thing Canada has given the world in decades.

[@michah321]

@@mdale814 hey! You're Micah too! He's ok sometimes, sometimes I want to grab him by the scruff. But Canada is awesome, with or without Jordan P

[@fromeveryting29]

He literally looks like a movie villain now. Sitting in some wooden mansion with dark victorian furniture, in a constricting, dark and shiny suit, looking serious, fighting against empathy and justice.

[@f0xygem]

You mean like Snaggly Whiplash on Dudley Do-Right of the Mounties? Both Canadian, ehhh.

[@TheDivayenta]

And a red face from living on red meat exclusively.

[@TheDivayenta]

@@f0xygem Snidely Whiplash! Lol!!!

[@AlexReynard]

Nice to see that his critics are reduced to making fun of his looks.

[@TheDivayenta]

@@AlexReynard because JP would never tear down a perfect stranger for THEIR looks like he did to that poor SI cover model. He’s a POS.

[@Bcz4r]

Emma knocking it out of the park 👏

[@severalwolves]

oh I STRONGLY disagree! wait, Emma is that quavering old canadian guy right? I’ll have to re-watch to double check, but my impression was that the Emma dude was a total lunatic

[@ChillAssTurtle]

@@severalwolves autism awareness month came early this year

[@LinkRocks]

@@severalwolves Swing and a miss.

[@biggeneral1628]

​@@severalwolves 🤡

[@JaiaV]

"I'm not trying to blame the victim" - Blames the victim over and over

[@patrickandersen412]

Exactly, blame the person who doesn’t help themselves. If they don’t help themselves it’s their fault right? So if a person gets raped it’s not right, but I don’t feel sorry for them because it was there fault to begin with. Those dresses and skirts. A man is a man. I’ve heard this shit for so long it makes me want to puke, it’s disgusting and they don’t know it’s disgusting.

[@immanuelcunt7296]

That's not what he did. If you're unwilling to examine a situation and see how it came about, you're not going to be able to solve it. As a matter of fact, much of trauma has to do with being psychologically distressed at the notion that if it happened once, it can happen again. And, logically, the best treatment for that would be delineating the causal chain of events that led to an incident and learning how to make it less likely to happen. Because when you learn how to avoid potential recurrences of traumatic experiences, you'll obviously be less anxious and afraid, and feel better. That's not blaming the victim. What it is, is an analysis of the situation such that we can figure out how to make it less likely to occur.

[@vowel8280]

@@immanuelcunt7296 "What it is, is an analysis of the situation such that we can figure out how to make it less likely to occur." Ok, and what's his solution?

[@immanuelcunt7296]

@@vowel8280 Partly assertiveness training on the part of the women, as well as an increased degree of caution surrounding things like letting a delivery driver into one's home when they're alone, and partly better socialization and learning to recognize subtle cues on the part of the men. I mean, that's kind of obvious from what he's saying lol.

[@johnchiva351]

Oh, I understood that as 'anyone who is 17 does not have the mind space to defend themselves properly'. All young people need to know how to set their bounders firmly.

[@Elysium_the_Bard]

Considering the fact that in his original "12 Rules for Life" he talks about a female client of his, who confided in him that she thinks she was raped, in order to use her as an anecdotal "point", I'm already well aware that he had some "questionable" ideas of "consent", especially when it comes to patient confidentiality (assuming she actually exists). I mean in the book he basically says he mentally berated his female client during the therapy session for questioning whether she was raped or not - saying that she was "yearning for daddy", trying to play the victim card towards him, and was secretly a feminist wanting to fight the patriarchy, despite her not getting close to saying any of that and also being a successful business woman. However, in that same book, Peterson also describes a time he "shared a spiritual bond" with a man who was a drunken drug dealer, who showed up to Peterson's door in the early hours of the morning to sell him a toaster - two men fighting their hardest in a cruel world. So drunken drug dealer, who clearly just wanted to get money from Peterson for "reasons"? A true bond - a connection between spirits! A successful business woman who paid to have a private therapy session with Peterson and confides in him that she thinks she might have been raped by someone? No connection or empathy what so ever. Also it's important to note that the book was done BEFORE he went to Russia to put himself in a coma to avoid having to deal with the withdrawal symptoms of benzos, possibly turning his brain into further mush.

[@dynamicworlds1]

Seriously, the way he talks about his former patients is consistently horrifying and has been for a very long time!

[@austinrichards5643]

@@dynamicworlds1 and patients who experience that from a therapist can blame themselves and literally kill themselves. It's extremely dangerous to pull that shit.

[@osonhouston]

@dynamicworlds9027 I think he's lying, he lied about C-16, he'll say anything to further indoctrinate young boys and men and he'll lie to keep the money coming in.

[@aralornwolf3140]

@Roger McMillan , The lady in OP's comment actually sued Mr. Peterson because she was easily identified by her friends and family... Or was that another one of his clients? It doesn't matter... what matters is he _is_ condescending to them in his own thoughts as shown by his stories _of_ them. He hasn't used his practice in many years now... one of the reasons the Ontario licensing board wants to revoke it... the other reason is the multitude of complaints about Mr. Peterson's conduct on twitter, on youtube, and in his various talks. As these paragraphs signify: You know it isn't obvious to me that that offers women enough defence, you know, and so the counter argument might be if untrammeled[1] sexual access to a young woman[2] is a crime. In order for that to be recognized as a crime properly it has to be viewed as something that will bring the males on her side to her defence in principle.[3] Now, maybe not right? Because you could say we could set up a society where merely quote transgressing the rights of a woman to say no is sufficient.[4] But it's not obvious to me that that's sufficient. Like maybe sufficient means not only do you violate the integrity of the woman[5] in a fundamental sense but you enrage all of her male protectors[6] and then that's enough of a barrier because god only knows how much barrier we need and obviously -- well you just laid out a bunch of problems, especially now that the pill introduces.[7] And we should stress that that problem women have in saying no once they are on the pill[8] is that it's instantly personal and that means the woman has to deliver a pretty hard blow. And that's especially problematic if she's somewhat potentially interested in the guy, right? How do I say no without hurting his feelings, alienating, and making him into an enemy, looking like a prude, and I mean when you are 16 how you -- you don't know the answer to any of those questions.[9][10] Like you are not sophisticated enough to."[11] I can count on my hands the pro-SA apologies he brought up here... Which The Majority Report Mocks him for doing...

[@soicybunny]

@@dynamicworlds1 that’s why i think his license is up for revoking! if you are a health professional, specialist, you have a responsibility. he wants to be a celebrity who appears intellectual but he’s obviously not in his right mind, whatever is left of it. i’d be horrified if he was my psychologist or psychiatrist. thank god mine DOES understand my personal experiences…it’s very hard to share things with these people so he’s aware he has the most vulnerable of patients at times, and this rhetoric couldn’t possibly heal them or help aid in finding coping mechanisms when he blames the victims!! just awful.

[@luisostasuc8135]

You know, we never shamed jp for getting himself put in a medical coma to avoid working on his addiction. his whole schtick is personal responsibility, and he is objectively causing harm

[@aleftwinggamer3950]

His daughter dated Andrew Taint for a while. And he was cool with that……

[@Tarumarugan]

The man sticks to his principles

[@Matthew.Moulton]

Wait that really happened?

[@marl6908]

xD

[@whetlands]

Didn't she leave her husband and child to visit him? Truly, the Dragon of Chaos incarnate.

[@dangerousd1312]

at least he’s not a hypocrite!

[@citythink]

His attachment to Jung has blinded him to his insanely Freudian issues.

[@JH-yj7kk]

Lmao

[@Putmeinacementbox]

He's not even a good Jungian his anima is so fucking rancid

[@TheParserable]

"But this is all compilcated, because it is not obvious to me" is the exact quote Tim Dillon used to make fun of him on Joe Rogan.

[@JoseCruz-sm3ed]

Yes or yes

[@SillyTube9]

Jordan saying only “sophisticated women” (again, a high status only confirmed on her via men - sophistication is apparently unobtainable on her own merits) know “how to say no,“ deflects from the fact that rape is about not taking no for an answer, no matter who it’s coming from. The WHOLE POINT of what makes rape bad, is that you’ve fundamentally ignored that other person’s choice. And what the actual with him saying things are complicated, when they’re not even remotely complicated? Dude is WEIRD, man. Dude is weird.

[@patpowers9210]

"It sounds like I am blaming the victim..." -- Peterson. Yeah, it does. Maybe because you are.

[@dinosaysrawr]

What's insidious about Peterson and these other guys is that they'll say something that feels true or might be partly true, and they'll ride that horse of half-truth deep into the woods of their ideology. So, it's true that naive and unsophisticated people often don't know how to assert needs and boundaries or read another person's signals, and that this often results in confusion, hurt, and harm. That is indeed a genuine problem! Peterson's solution for this is to just take society back to the 1950s (at least)---rather than, say, advocate for better widespread psychoeducation in consent, boundaries, safe sex, and good communication.

[@JaiaV]

The "violating the integrity" part is the gross idea that women lose our "value" from sex.

[@moirasoma2863]

"Men are afraid women will laugh at them. Women are afraid men will kill them". Margareth Atwood.

[@MissSpookyMooky]

Very sadly true.

[@futurestoryteller]

Most men aren't murderers.

[@MissSpookyMooky]

@@futurestoryteller If the woman doesn't know the man, doesn't know what is in this strangers mind, this means nothing.

[@mikearchibald744]

@@futurestoryteller That doesn't matter. I remember asking a female friend why when women like sex so much don't they go home more often with guys from bars, and she says you never know what the guy is like. I've had uncomfortable experiences with women but at no time did I EVER feel unsafe. Whereas a woman can feel unsafe just having made a bad choice on going on a date.

[@futurestoryteller]

@@mikearchibald744 If they were really so discerning "it's not creepy if they're handsome" wouldn't exist. Besides I thought it _was_ a thing that people have sex on first dates now. I get that there's like a six degrees of separation thing; you only need to run into so many guys before you've ran into the worst kind of guy anyway, but isn't this kind of a "learned helplessness" situation, like, I could be wrong about this, but isn't the only woman who escaped from Ted Bundy also the only woman who fought back? Maybe if women are afraid of men, but you're not afraid of women it's not that women have an appropriate level of fear towards men but that you're a bit naive about the likelihood of encountering dangerous women.

[@grev.]

this is the guy who went on joe rogan's podcast to literally advocate for state-mandated girlfriends for lonely men, and then got immediately slam dunked by joe. he has NEVER believed in consent, he's ideologically against the premise as a whole.

[@rsr789]

Bet you anything he has raped his wife.... amongst other women.

[@windowslogo3577]

He never said that but ok

[@vinceandrich4603]

It’s his way of showing us he’s a low value male who is very low on the mating totem pole. His history of female rejection is very obvious.

[@will_pilled]

Not denying this but can I see the vid? Where to find? Or audio?

[@grev.]

@@will_pilled search "Joe Rogan Calmly Obliterates Jordan Peterson" it's another MR clip

[@aecnqewimnazxclwdxl]

As an academic researcher, I seriously doubt JP had a thriving private practice on the side where he personally treated all these "cases" he keeps conveniently using to support his points. It is quite possible he is fabricating these cases, knowing that the confidentiality that would be extended to patients makes it impossible for anyone to check these claims.

[@theQuestion626]

From what I’ve come to understand he was not a very good psychologist and in fact some of his patients even complained that he wasn’t even remotely trying to help them.

[@aecnqewimnazxclwdxl]

@@theQuestion626 Yeah, Caelan Conrad just put up a video called, "Jordan Peterson's Rise to Relevancy." It has the most detail I've seen yet on the private practice side of JP's grift, assuming it is accurate. Pretty interesting.

[@theQuestion626]

@@aecnqewimnazxclwdxl I’ve watched the video that you mentioned and it first I was quite skeptical but after doing some Google searches, along with reading Peterson’s psychological assessments, I found it perfect that a transgendered woman would be the one to literally pop a hole in the bubble of fantasy that Peterson was a exceptional therapist.

[@psychicbyinternet]

I hope you're right because I can't imagine how much damage he would have done "helping" rape victims.

[@hans-joachimbierwirth4727]

As well as his theoretical background which is also fabricated. He has read none of the books he talks about, and i am pretty sure his credentials are completely made up. In one of his oldest "lectures" online he talks about Freud and claims that Freud's theories were about multiple spiritual entities residing in the mind. Peterson is most ridiculous impostor i have ever seen.

[@JoshAronoff]

The pauses and superfluous word fog that spew out of JDPs mouth are so powerful 😂

[@itsROMPERS...]

FYI: JBP.

[@CF-3300]

He gives the illusion of being smart by talking in a way that’s hard for most of us to understand. When in reality he doesn’t understand what he’s talking about either.

[@maryanneslater9675]

My son was listening to this segment with me and said (he may have been quoting someone else) that Peterson just spatters words through a swastika-shaped screen to create a Rorschach test for potential followers.

[@donnamunro2090]

Dear god I feel bad for the abused women who came to him in his clinical practice - what kind of witch doctorie were they subjected to? The sooner they lift his licence the better.

[@jamesdelrogers542]

In the 1980s they literally had a 12 step program for women who were sexually exploited by their therapists , That's how Prevalent it was . To think that these individuals actually get to make decisions that determine somebody's destiny legally , All they have to do is sign a piece of paper and make a diagnosis and it will affect legal proceedings , Most of it is completely theoretical Yet it is presented as in disputable fact in a court of law

[@Anna1ingeborg]

I wish you could like a comment multiple times.

[@beishtkione24]

No you don't, you liar. You just hate Jordan Peterson.

[@eugenewaterslide7328]

I implore you listen to him, in full context, as opposed to a short clip cut by people who don't like him.

[@CSGraves]

​@@eugenewaterslide7328 If you know the context that will make Peterson's comments seem less horrid, please speak up and provide it here. Otherwise, nobody is going to waste their time consuming more Peterson ramblings chasing down this phantom 'context' his fans are always citing whenever the guy says something reprehensible.

[@jessemiller4953]

1. expecting battered woman to be "sophisticated" in their manner and judging them for not being "sophisticated" after surviving trauma 2. 16 year old women are not capable of complex thought i would not let this man near any woman in my life, or let him near anyone who would interact with a woman at any point in their life. holy shit dude

[@hugevagiine]

He didn't say any of that

[@will_pilled]

*16 year old girl

[@pshaw8406]

A couple years ago I heard this woman say she just loved Jordan Peterson and could listen to him talk all day. I can't help but think about her listening to this clip.

[@mdale814]

Maybe she'd be able to see past the dishonest framing from Seder and co to understand what is actually being said here, instead of the smooth brain straw man of it.

[@pitpride1220]

@@mdale814 Please explain the dishonesty.

[@mdale814]

@@pitpride1220 The easiest one is the attempt to portray Peterson's position as arguing that women should be considered property. That's a straw man constructed for morons to run with.

[@pitpride1220]

@@mdale814 Its hinted at though not said expressly. It's one thing that Petersom does quite well. Using nebulous language that can infer different meanings. I'll grant you that it's not clear. But that's actually part of the problem. He also has a habit of claiming things are complicated for a couple of reasons. One to avoid having to be concise and come to a solution. The other to avoid being nailed down on a thread that he's incorrect about. He also uses the appeal to tradition fallacy and great man theory quite a bit.

[@lozzybozzy234]

@@mdale814 If no one can agree on what you're saying, maybe you're not saying anything at all.

[@dragonmybaggage]

I also like Emma raising the obvious question. What then is it considered when a man is raped? Jordan doesn’t seem to know thats even a thing. And I also noticed he didn’t once point out that men should be the ones who are brought up better and made to understand how to treat other people. Men who are just plain decent human beings treat everyone with respect not just women. They know how to tell when someone isn’t into them. Like normal freaking people. Jordan is far from normal.

[@donnievance1942]

Peterson's constituency is all the guys who can't figure it out, or won't. I'm glad women are breaking free and these guys are starting to get left out of the gene pool. That's what most of the incel issue is-- guys that refuse to get clue.

[@Nocturnalux]

In my country, rape against boys and men was actually not considered a crime because rape was described as a sexual assault on a woman.

[@stevenhaas9622]

I think he would say that violence against the man is in itself sufficient to warrant it being taken seriously. I.e. society would/should only care about violence to the extent it is seen as victimizing men, whether it is direct (i.e. man is raped) or indirect (man's wife, daughter, sister is raped). That's just how effing patriarchal his world view is.

[@Briggsian]

@@stevenhaas9622 honestly, there's just as much chance of him saying that sexual violence against a man is sufficient enough to be considered a crime as him stating that only a low status male would allow himself to be assaulted and thus they are complicit in their own assault. He does tend to support hierarchical structures more than he does men in general.

[@maryanneslater9675]

Well said. A while ago, some evangelical twit wanted to know what keeps atheists from raping, stealing and murdering if they don't believe in heaven or hell, and one guy said that he was an atheist who did as much raping, stealing and murdering as he wanted -- which was none at all because he had no innate desire to harm anyone in any way. He simply cared about other people and wanted the best for them. Like the evangelical twit, Peterson doesn't get that being a decent human being who respects other human beings is a thing. Everything is transactional to him.

[@rainrainlsn]

JP's voice makes me dryer than the Sahara. I am so triggered.

[@waitz001]

he's repulsive

[@julesmasseffectmusic]

You can't be the only one maybe time for a class action lawsuit? That can't be healthy, walking mist be painful.

[@ClannCholmain]

He’s also the disappointed brother of Kermit the frog. It’s just tragic.

[@cageybee1154]

Ben Shapiro approves this message. The Daily Wire is causing a drought.

[@wesley3300]

Every time JP didn’t let that woman finish her thought, I wanted to shout at him. Woman: “and there’s also the threat of physical violence, which is understandably frighteni-“ JP: “well, it’s a complicated thing, right? If we teach women from an early age to appeal to the man’s ego, relations will improve, blah blah blah and so on.”

[@hunger4wonder]

How can someone be in the same room with JP and not insult him? He opens his mouth and stupid shit comes out. Just imagine being a teenage girl and JP is your therapist!

[@Letsgocamping143]

The amount of women who he treated that have been damaged by this man is insane.

[@qwert-ps5rd]

any proof of that?

[@ashtton_tapiwa]

@@qwert-ps5rd Yeah, just listen to him speak.

[@jayviolentmob8309]

@@ashtton_tapiwa that's not the proof you think it is.

[@DeLittleRebel]

Is a complete guess of your imagination based on your preferred narrative. Finished it for you 🙂

[@melissawickersham9912]

He has a daughter. His own daughter may have been damaged and hurt by her relationship with him. Misogynists are rarely in healthy relationships with their own daughters. Misogynists are more likely to abuse their own female relatives than non-misogynistic people are.

[@jaynoxjay]

Jordan Peterson can't help but talk over everyone he's talking with.

[@joshhorley2116]

I firmly believe that his vacation to Russia was detrimental not to his intellectual capacity per se but more his emotional regulation/social capacity

[@duranpredur1098]

"over everyone he's talking AT."

[@stevenhaas9622]

That's because he has the voice of a Vienna Boy's Choir member

[@jaynoxjay]

@@duranpredur1098 Ya he's being interviewed and won't even let the interviewer finish the question before diving into his narrative about women being property. Smh people actually listen to this guy

[@edwardkantowicz4707]

Much more so with women. If one pays close enough attention, even those women who would seem to be in partial agreement with him, or apologists for the patriarchy and chauvinists still have their sentences finished by Peterskin. He incessantly interrupts, but more egregious is how he reframes and twists each woman's words to comport with his own twisted ideas and worldview. It would appear he needs agreement and validation 100%, or else he becomes quite hostile. He somehow believes he can speak for a woman's POV more clearly, and concisely. He's insufferable.

[@junetaylor8396]

About time JPs license was discontinued. Praying for the poor "patients" who sought his help, especially the young women. No amount of re-education would be able to rehabilitate him for practise. Sam's impression is bang-on. Also, JP seems to be saying that if a woman has no men left in her life (ie - her father has died) then she can't really be raped anyway, sophisticated or not.

[@mmmuck]

Dear Lord he is treating abuse survivors? That's messed up

[@jennifermackinnon6982]

One of Majority Report's best episodes. Top-notch, gang!

[@AzrothBoi]

I wonder how many of Jordan's patients had deeper psychological issues after seeing him?

[@dl2725]

Riiight?

[@tschorsch]

All of them.

[@bluest1524]

The other thing about this conversation, was that Peterson rudely dominated airtime, sucked all the air out of the room, and didn't let Louise speak, despite that she's quite brilliant and well worth the hearing.

[@psychicbyinternet]

Honestly he was more polite to her than most women, I guess because she didn't push back that much. He is usually extremely rude to any women he talks to unless he knows they are sycophantic toward him (conservative).

[@bluest1524]

@@psychicbyinternet He actually expressed worry about ANTIFA!, with armed, "conservative", pitifully misinformed and militarized morons all over this nation ready to wage civil war. lol. Good for a laugh if it wasn't so insidious.

[@rsr789]

@@psychicbyinternet If they are sycophantic toward him , it makes it easier for him to rape them.

[@jerryhampton5755]

could you imagine being a seriously abused woman who is finally getting some help with that trauma and your therapist turns out to be Jordan Peterson lol.

[@emilianosintarias7337]

Why a woman? You think Peterson would be a good therapist for an abused man?

[@yoginella]

@@emilianosintarias7337 I think so. Dr. Peterson says it only indirectly, but the basic problem is that only men were considered full human beings and women were not (in some minds this has not changed...). Empathy for a non-human on the level for a fellow human? Nonsensical. And since, according to this logic, men are sentient and thinking human beings, they can be empathized with.

[@mdale814]

It would probably be one of the best things for an abused woman. Rather than a therapist that just feeds the victimhood mentality, he will be empathetic, but then put forward meaningful, practical solutions for moving forward, rather than just wallowing in the abuse, as it seems you feel would be more beneficial.

[@yoginella]

@@mdale814 What do you mean by "feeds the victimhood mentality"? A person who has been raped or sexually assaulted IS a victim and a survivor. It is a traumatic event that can result in permant damage, especially psychiatric damage.

[@user-xi6xi6di7n]

@@mdale814 ... every therapist puts foward meaningful and practical solutions for moving foward. That's the entire goal of EVERY therapy. Meanwhile Jordan Peterson, who'll get his license revoked soon, would sit there, look at the woman, and think about how this wouldn't have happened if she wasn’t so freaking "uneducated". Yeah, totally one of the best things that could happen to her.

[@Pensive_Scarlet]

Normally I feel like "patriarchy" isn't too useful of a term these days, but in this case? It fits perfectly. That's just a horrifyingly skewed perspective, and it actually lines up with what most people think about when they hear the term "patriarchy". It's unsettling to see that some people actually still think that way.

[@sayeedkizuk5822]

This guy is one of the most popular commentators in the United States, and you just identified that how ideology lines up perfectly with patriarchy. You seem to not understand your own knee-jerk reaction to feminist ideas even as you simultaneously agree with them. Might be time to re-examine that

[@BHPOfficial]

@@sayeedkizuk5822 so just because Peterson is popular, you automatically agree with his takes?

[@Pensive_Scarlet]

@@sayeedkizuk5822 It's a knee-jerk reaction to want more effective terminology to be used when we're trying to communicate the current problems with society? Because I've thought about it a lot after witnessing a lot of reactions to the term and how poorly understood it often is, not to mention how often people fail to properly define it. Currently it seems no more effective in making progress than when religious people talk about some vague "sin" concept as the "real" cause of human suffering. I feel like even a simple change from saying "the patriarchy" to saying "patriarchal ideas" would work wonders. The current status quo is so toxic to both men and women, if we keep blindly using a term that makes those men feel like the enemy to the point of going on the defensive, how are we going to help everyone who needs to be helped? I imagine even as far as Peterson's followers go, only a small number of them have been exposed to the conversation seen here, and a lot of those who haven't heard it would probably be put off by it. If we make it clear that those are the sorts of ideas we're fighting against, then we'll be able to separate those who are misguided from those who are genuinely dedicated to causing harm.

[@Pensive_Scarlet]

@Beans I mean, would you go so far as to call the likes of Candace Owens, Brett Cooper, Abigail Shapiro, etc, patriarchs as well? Because they're a vital part of the coddling and praise going on here. We live in a time of patriarchal ideas, where there's no longer some literal male majority upholding those ideals and targeting only women. It's a smaller but still significant majority of politically charged partisans who want to enforce their norms and stereotypes on both men and women. Being Third Gender has made me keenly aware of the threats these people pose to both men and women these days, and likewise I've experienced "patriarchal" pressures from both men and women.

[@aralornwolf3140]

He makes the same arguments the Egyptian justice department make about women... when a woman's SA allegation would only be looked into if she is supported by 4 male relatives... If her attacker was a male relative... she can go to prison for "falsely accusing" that relative of SA. Feminists and human rights activists condemn Egypt for their stance... and Mr. Peterson is surprised that those very same people dislike him... when he uses their arguments in his talks, ROFL. P.s. Sayyida Al-Hurah... Patriarchy exists... Islam, Christianity, and Judaism is founded on Patriarchy and only because secularism has their religious backed patriarchy started to lose its power... except not in the Middle East and portions of Asia as seen by all the stories of people being SA... of minors, under the age of 12 getting wed to men 3 times their age and then be SA by the "husbands"...

[@AisuruMirai]

I'm glad that Sam pointed out the unstated assumption built into Peterson's argument: Whether rape is truly illegal depends upon the whims of the men who necessarily control women's lives. In Peterson's world, women are vulnerable to sexual assault only to the extent that they are insubordinate to the men whose duty is to dominate them.

[@Juicexlx]

That's religious zealotry of the Xtian kind. Peterson is always conflicted between his indoctrination into Catholic fundamentalism and rational ''scientific'' thoughts. Everything he says paints a confused brain that could never quite get rid of the indoctrination and go all the way to the rational, scientific side of things. Hence all the contradictions and mental breakdowns and frequent crying in public when his drivels are confronted with any energetic reality checks.

[@senglomein5766]

No. Men do not fear women, the way women fear men---physically. Men are stronger and generally larger than women, this is intrinsic to our coexistence as a species. The laws and the justice system as it is structured & enforced in the western world, are clearly not enough to deter these crimes from happening since they only continue. Consequently, more laws and more police and more prisons and more laws, are possibly creating matters even worse----by taking the power & positive influence potential out of every citizens' hand, dismantling community-togetherness and the comradery of neighborhoods looking out for one another.

[@chronographer]

"Whether rape is truly illegal depends upon the whims of the men who necessarily control women's lives. " - No, the whims of society at large. Which is correct. That was the issue with marital rape. It could technically be a crime in many places, but it just wasn't taken seriously by society.

[@SAVarXX]

Fun Jordan Peterson Facts: Jordan tends to refer to little girls as "Budding Beauties" in his rants

[@cady__]

🤮

[@august7535]

I genuinely feel so sorry for all of the patients that Peterson worked with. I truly hope he didn't ruin them and they got the proper help that they needed.

[@WendyWatersctmm]

@Roger McMillan yeah but if they, you know, meet a random woman on the pill they can, you know, be pushy and if she's, you know, 16 or thereabouts and not groomed by protective brothers and a father he can you know PUSH. You know? It's complicated but, you know, doable.

[@Justme-rt4gj]

Says the person that supports the political side that wants to teach white children that they are inherently evil, should hate themselves and their country and are responsible for all the problems in the lives of non white people.

[@DeLittleRebel]

You hope he didn't ruin them? I understand you not liking this take, but that's ridiculous, simmer down.

[@TheRedRaccoonDog]

I feel sorry for anyone who has to interact with him in general.

[@DeLittleRebel]

@@TheRedRaccoonDog you do realise you've all missed the point he tried to make ENTIRELY 😅 feel sorry for your lack of ability to form an inference before you do other people my dude.

[@hellovicki6779]

Also appreciate that as a property crime, the recognised harm was related to the loss of value of the woman for marriage etc and had nothing to do with the insult to the person either physically or mentally.

[@carolyntalbot947]

Yes, she would be considered "spoiled goods," or "ruined" for a man's use. My blood boils over what we have endured at the hands of men like Peterson since time immemorial. We haven't advanced from misogyny very much at all when you consider how many thousands of years we have lived as a society. The Patriarchy is alive and well.

[@donnievance1942]

@@carolyntalbot947 Cheer up. Peterson's rage stems from the fact that he and the incel goons he represents are losing the battle. Women are breaking free and leaving them out of the gene pool. So of course that results in a shit storm of howling. Those are the howls of the Orcs facing their doom.

[@aralornwolf3140]

@@carolyntalbot947 , Or as Peterson said "you violate the integrity of the woman"...

[@andrewwasson6153]

I’m convinced that Jordan Peterson could be at his core, under the fancy degrees, haircut and suit, too stupid to be taken seriously. I mean really, when you’re discussing consent and/or lack thereof and sexual crimes, it’s definitely not that damn complicated. Oh, also, Emma rocked this discussion.

[@sharper68]

He is spiting chosen spin to appeal to a specific audience he courts. I think he knows what he says is kinda stupid, it is lucrative.

[@hteur1]

You're definitely right, but by saying that he emboldens his audience.

[@immanuelcunt7296]

If it wasn't so complicated then it wouldn't be a cultural issue. Things tend to become issues when they're complicated and surrounded by disagreement. The sorts of people who are unwilling to discuss and explicitly lay out a problem are the ones who let it fester.

[@wayneu1233]

YES! Honest to all the gods who don't exist, I think Jordan Peterson is just plain stupid!

[@immanuelcunt7296]

@@wayneu1233 Lol if a stupid person can teach at two top universities, including Harvard, have about a hundred peer reviewed papers and be in the top 50 most cited psychologists ever, then what's your excuse? If a stupid person can be that successful, then you must be a lot more so, no?

[@zapzarap4922]

Gold. I could never understand why people fall for this senseless and malicious jp talk.

[@AlbinoTuxedo]

What JP is implying in this segment is more insulting and misandrist than anything ever said by any "feminazi". He's saying that men are fundamentally selfish and do not give a shit about other people unless it somehow affects them. This guy is a role model for thousands of young men and THIS is what he thinks about men. It's depressing

[@dl2725]

It’s even worse than that, I think. He’s saying this is how men SHOULD be

[@amylake9064]

The inconsistency, too. 1. Men are to be women's protectors 2. Men don't care about women unless it benefits them Pick one, because it can't be both.

[@superlifer1732]

JP is a prime example of thinking so much that he thought right out of his mind.

[@illsaveus]

He’s not thinking about anything other than trying to both sides everything. Here he’s trying to say the feminist side here is correct BUT also anti-feminist position. He does this all the time bc he’s a coward and thinks he’s smart enough to obscure his actual position here.

[@WendyWatersctmm]

He doesn't "think" at all...he spews the ramblings of the scrambled voices chattering like monkeys in his head.

[@schmoborama]

thinking *of excuses

[@rsr789]

Or, in reality he has never done much thinking at all, he's a walking and talking Dunning-Kruger effect.

[@JH-yj7kk]

"I dreamed I saw my maternal grandmother sitting by the bank of a swimming pool, that was also a river. In real life, she had been a victim of Alzheimer’s disease, and had regressed, before her death, to a semi-conscious state. In the dream, as well, she had lost her capacity for self-control. Her genital region was exposed, dimly; it had the appearance of a thick mat of hair. She was stroking herself, absent-mindedly. She walked over to me, with a handful of pubic hair, compacted into something resembling a large artist’s paint-brush. She pushed this at my face. I raised my arm, several times, to deflect her hand; finally, unwilling to hurt her, or interfere with her any farther, I let her have her way. She stroked my face with the brush, gently, and said, like a child, “isn’t it soft?” I looked at her ruined face and said, “yes, Grandma, it’s soft." -Jordan B. Peterson, Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief

[@f3042]

Wtf

[@headfangs]

@@f3042 it's a quote from one of Peterson's books, unfortunately

[@steven5054]

"Maps of Screaming". A classic

[@roxyangelsuperstar5729]

Thank you for this, you straight up busted this creep

[@Riverandsun]

The reason I love this show is that in the space of ten minutes I can agree with the seriousness of what Emma is articulating so well, feel extremely disturbed and angry even and then suddenly laugh my head off at the interjections by Sam with his JBP impersonations.

[@restlessly12]

Yes, that’s it exactly. If not for Sam’s and Matt’s impressions here my blood pressure would have shoot to the roof listening to JP’s nonsense. Seriously, how does anyone think JP’s nonsense is fit to be shared?!