Ex-Jordan Peterson Fan Gets Real About Their Former Role Model

[@mdaddy775]

The best type of Peterson fan: A former one

[@carolinemaybe]

As an old cis woman I only hope there are many,many more.

[@Draxtor]

😂😂😂💯🤟

[@The-Wolf-with-no-name]

@@alabamamandeluxe7070 I guess she means straight woman

[@letsgobrandon9867]

@@The-Wolf-with-no-name what?

[@14isoldenough]

@@The-Wolf-with-no-name yeah we just called em a "woman" back in the day

[@dontworryillwait3689]

Man, the "facts over feelings" right wingers are always soooooo emotional. I don't feel bad for them about anything, they do it all to themselves or they willingly allow it to be done to them.

[@SimSetSoPalestine]

Biggest cowards. imagine fearing equality while screaming : Alpha ! 😆

[@ninaschust3694]

The biggest problem is that their "facts" are myths based on social norms from 50 years ago. They are not based in science.

[@arcanineryu]

Sometimes I get tempted into being excited because usually facts mean data that can be gone over. But they never end up having data 😞

[@BobPagani]

@@arcanineryu They'll insist that they're right but when you ask them to provide evidence, almost 100% of the time they'll pull the old "Do your own research" bullshit. None of them seems to know that the burden of proof rests on the person making the claim.

[@ProfDCoy]

IMO, a lot of the "facts over feelings" crowd arrives at that line because they are deeply afraid of and confused by their own feelings. And instead of dealing with that fear and confusion with, say, therapy, they decide that Logic and Reason will help them escape the prison of their own emotions. Of course, that doesn't work, but it gives them the illusion that it's working. Jordan Peterson is basically the perfect example: dude clearly needed therapy from a very early age, but instead he decided to go into discredited quack psychotherapy, invent his own personal and esoteric philosophy/ideology, and build a culture so he could feel like a preacher and a role model. In actual fact, this hasn't saved him any emotional turmoil, as you can see by his constant personal struggles and public crying, but it lets him FEEL like he's overcoming the obstacles in his life. Some men will write average self help books and bad philosophy books rather than get therapy.

[@theBasedBard]

Thanks for taking my call guys, and being so understanding. For the record, now every time I see Jordan Peterson cry it's one of the funniest things in the world to me.

[@dsne4327]

Was that you? Well done 🤙🤌🫵

[@dsne4327]

@@theBasedBard noo im proud of you 👊 you did great 😃

[@bazingaburg8264]

JP is exposing himself to more hardship than he can handle. I struggle to find the value in a selfhelp guru martyring himself, as if that was the example he should set for those who need help no less than he does. Every sensible shrink has a shrink of their own. Nough said, cheers.

[@nura1627]

That came through. Good call.

[@Meinfuhrerhoffman]

Matt had the benefit of going into seeing Jordan Peterson knowing he was a hack and a fraud. I imagine you didn't really and if not, seeing someone genuinely emote over something would usually bring out empathy for that person. I totally get where you were coming from. Good job on breaking free from the dark path though!

[@ewmagency]

I've noticed Jordan Peterson typically cries not when he's talking about others, but when he's talking about how much he's helping them. It's his extreme narcissism masquerading as empathy. I think he actually sees himself as some type of a demigod

[@steven5054]

Yes. His messiah complex is overwhelming

[@staomruel]

In an interview, he was asked if he was a prophet, it took an alarming time for him to state: 'No, I'm a psychologist' as if he snapped out of some trance.

[@itsallgoodman4108]

@@staomruel everyone needs to read the article about young Petersons desire to “start a congregation” as he put it. When he realized he didnt have the chops for the church he went into academia. One of hiss colleagues on the hiring board in at Toronto penned it

[@sonja4164]

​@@itsallgoodman4108 wow

[@Alsatiagent]

Precisely, it's performative crying intended to manipulate the viewer.

[@cliveadams7629]

I was a Peterson fan once. Years ago I listened to him claim the Army did not recruit anyone with an IQ below 83. He sounded convincing but I fact checked him and found that he was wrong. Then he went on to say how these people were not able to perform any useful function in society. Wow, I thought, eugenics being hinted at more than a little forcefully. So my fandom lasted slightly longer than 30 seconds but didn't extend into many minutes. I was, and remain, amazed that he gained so much traction and such a large following.

[@mikebelcher7244]

HAHAHAHAHAHAH well ask any NCO if that bullshit is true and see what kind of response you get 🤣 I could never listen to him for more than 30 seconds because he always sounded like some pencil necked little shit in S1 who loved to fuck with your leave. Which is totally unfair to those guys because I've known plenty of S1 folks who were stand-up guys.

[@akshayde]

So what are the facts of people below an iq of 83? If I remember correctly, he said more along the lines of that these people can only do very menial, manual jobs

[@jessestreet2549]

i can't see the other replies but during the vietnam war substandard troops were enlisted and referred to as "McNamara's Morons". it was a failure.

[@korganrocks3995]

@@jessestreet2549 Yeah, they were a liability to themselves and their fellow soldiers, and most of them ended up basically given permanent kitchen duty or whatever would keep them from screwing up anything important.

[@darex0827]

To join, you must be able to pass a standardized test which demonstrates a certain intelligence / IQ. So the overall statement is based in fact.

[@TheMarsCydonia]

It's 6 years later and there are still so many Peterson followers that have not realized that Peterson lied to them about Canada's bill C-16... Meaning that in those 6 years they never fact-checked him by at least reading the bill, which is one page long and takes 3 minutes.

[@alexanderball6326]

Yup. Been saying it for a couple years now. JP was just a painfully average university professor, who gained popularity with the american right wing for his misunderstanding and misinterpretation of bill c-16. Thats it.

[@f_youtubecensorshipf_nazis]

It's been my opinion that this is a crisis of intellectual laziness for some time.

[@user-te5po4bu8o]

Especially after people told them it was a lie. At least go find out.

[@morenitomoreno1282]

The fact that this is what made him famous yet he hasn’t spoken since 2017-2018 about this bill that was supposed to cause so much problems in Canada, says it all

[@phillipschuman4307]

@@alexanderball6326 Not a fan, and never a fan of his. But my take from what I've read is that he was above average as a professor, and well regarded as a lecturer, in his actual field.

[@brewstergallery]

Hey guys, Ned from Spain here. Great show as usual. The caller, Mark, is perfectly describing how JP and other cult leaders, not to mention pimps gather up the insecure, friendless, lost and lonely, looking for direction and some big daddy to save them. He was lucky and smart enough to get himself out of the trap. By the way at 9:22, I wish someone would mention that you can not ever, like never, lift your self by your bootstraps. It was originally meant to illustrate an impossibility. Now it is a phrase used to shame people who are trapped by circumstances beyond their control. Lots of love to you all and stay healthy.

[@phillipschuman4307]

Add in the authoritarian scam cult of Scientology there also (although they specialized with substance abusers, originally).

[@nunpho]

Yep, it's the exact same with the tates too on how they use vulnerable men and women. That's interesting about the bootstraps quote, it never made sense to me but I never knew that was the origin!

[@brewstergallery]

@@nunpho Yeah , absolutely how the Tates work. The sad part of the abuse cycle is when the victims defend and say they love their abuser. Then Tate fans use that to say it's the Tates who are being victimized !

[@IanMcGarrett]

I was railing against Jordan Peterson back 15 years ago when he was the "liberal" voice on a TVOntario public affairs talkshow: The Agenda. I think he popped up in an earlier show on TVO with the same moderator, Steve Paikin. I found it particularly annoying when he would interrupt someone to agree with them, then immediately pivot to another topic so that the audience hasn't the opportunity to see his nonsense ripped to shreds by someone who knows what they're talking about.

[@lindahall1208]

I remember him being on The Agenda. I could smell his BS from a mile away as well. He has always been a bullshit baffles brains kind of guy.

[@Winspur1982]

Ughhh, he sounds more and more like Trump the more I learn about him. And Mussolini, because M. was an arrogant young Communist before he invented Fascism.

[@mercedeswalt6621]

No way! Really? I hope I can find some of those old clips.

[@lovinliverpool]

Thank God he wasn't on anything here western Canada dating back. I started seeing him around 2016 and I remember even a professor of mine at the time refused to talk about Peterson when a student brought him up, he's not respected in academia

[@IanMcGarrett]

@@lovinliverpool Of course he isn't. Whenever he he ventures opinions outside his field of expertise he brings the depth and focus of a flat earther... he cannot from his perspective of ignorance see the curvature of the earth - ergo the earth is flat - that sort of "reasoning" he brings to topics as diverse as the economy, sexual identity, and global warming. As for his self help books... they alone should have been enough to get him struck from the Ontario College of Psychologists.

[@ScottLahteine]

A lot of young people go through their Ayn Rand phase, as the appeal of Objectivism is it offers instant mastery if you just adopt its attitude. Fortunately most of us outgrow these things, but certain personalities never look deeper and end up descending further into tribalism, mythology, pseudo-intellectualism, and dumb partisanship. Universal love and a desire for truth beyond dumb ideology helps to keep your head above the flood. Guys like Peterson are the gateway drug to right wing fascism, so we must all continue to criticize him and smash his grift and his enigma.

[@DavidRichardson153]

Even back in my high school days, when I leaned more conservative (though that was mainly due to my upbringing in a Catholic home in Texas), I hated Ayn Rand. I found Atlas Shrugged to be very poorly written, I was appalled at the sheer delusional fantasy that was The Fountainhead, and I thought objectivism sounded like that kid who adamantly refused to eat broccoli and would only eat chicken nuggets (yes, I just described me as a kid, but now I can eat broccoli since I learned that steaming is the worst way to prepare broccoli). In a way, I was already highly resistant (I will never say that I am immune) to right-wing extremism, including fascism, but I still leaned to the right up until around my college days ended. Granted, it was not my time in college that eventually brought about the end of my conservatism. I went to a public university in Texas, particularly one with quite the reputation for partying - obviously, liberalism was not exactly allowed there. No, it was when I was getting ready to graduate and move my part-time into full-time that the propaganda started to unravel for me. In particular, it was watching my bosses at the time just basically live - or more accurately, trying to live - that Randian fantasy. I did not realize that it was bringing back what I thought about Rand at the time, but watching them just trash, destroy, and quickly burn through the good hires while they circled and protected the bad ones was the first critical blow to my conservatism. Then they finally turned their venom towards me, and while they did ultimately can me and nearly got me arrested on fake charges, I had managed to get them to shift all of the work they did not want to do onto me, so when they got rid of me, the few other good ones there immediately quit in protest, crippling their whole scheme (they would finally be brought down by a massive worker's comp lawsuit, but that came a few years later and by someone else). At that point, my conservatism was shattered and broken but not quite crumbled yet. Then came my time with Amazon, which was also when I heard Peterson the most - not because I wanted to, but because others, usually higher-ups, kept bringing him and/or his "advice" up. This was also when the horror stories you have been hearing about Amazon had only just started gaining steam (they were not unheard of, but they were largely ignored). Let's just say that those higher-ups did not do JP or themselves any favors with that, and that it pretty much ended any love (or whatever gets called "love") I might have had for capitalism. Finally, there was my sadly brief time as a microbiologist for the Texas DSHS. That was easily the best job I had...and the Republican state government cut that short. That ended any and all associations with Republicans and the right-wing and conservatism in general. I agree that universal love and a desire for truth beyond dumb ideology is needed for all to be able to do well for themselves and anyone they care about, but let's just say that my personal experience have prevented my love from truly being universal - I am trying, sure, but progress is not exactly progressing for a certain sect of people who intentionally hold those like JP up as spokespeople.

[@petercollingwood522]

Or. You could try growing up yourself. It's hard I know, but it is worth it in the end.

[@ScottLahteine]

@@petercollingwood522 What does "growing up" entail? Please elaborate.

[@petercollingwood522]

@@ScottLahteine What you are evidently incapable of doing.

[@zoobrizz]

Yes. He’s extremely intelligent and logical. The opposite of this audience 🤡

[@StevenEveral]

I actually first heard about Jordan Peterson when he had a debate with Matt Dillahunty back in 2018. I remember that no matter what Matt Dillahunty said, JP was responding with utter nonsense. JP also struck me as someone who is educated WAY beyond his actual intelligence level.

[@jamesrobbins1243]

It's not easy to get one over on Dillahunty.

[@zoobrizz]

Yes. He’s extremely intelligent and logical. The opposite of this audience 🤡

[@Raybro16]

The first time I heard of JOP was when my dad handed me and my brother the 12 Rules for Life book for Christmas. Literally inly found out how much of a POS he was when I told my mom and her partner about it and said partner flipped, it was hilarious XD

[@the_markoman]

When I first heard of JP I thought his self-help seemed alright. But when he told a person that they needed to clean their room before changing the world it clicked that the advice wasn't being used for self-improvement, it was being used as a cudgel to judge others for not living up to that arbitrary standard.

[@Lordofthefliess]

I def relate as a former JP fan. I got on that self improvement train and I’m still there but without him. Because I recognized that he’s not focused on self improvement - he’s always complaining about how “Society” this and that and less about the individual development. I’m big into mental and physical health and I don’t think he genuinely represents either of those things.

[@macosauruscheese8766]

It seems like thats how these guys gain a following. They start off with legitimate self-help advice and then mix in their own nonsense so people can't tell the difference.

[@Lordofthefliess]

@@macosauruscheese8766 Isn’t that something that cults are knowing for doing? Offering genuine good self help advice + then later mixing in manipulative self-agenda stuff? Teal Swan seems to work that way in that Hulu doc.

[@_politefrog_8892]

@@Lordofthefliess wow you’re so right. I never thought of it like that before.

[@petercollingwood522]

If your "big into mental health" I sure hope you avatar is not an image of you.

[@Lordofthefliess]

@@petercollingwood522 You’ve never seen hedwig and the angry inch? It’s about a narcissist who learns to let go of their need to control others and learns to take accountability for his own poor behavior driven by his own grandiosity. It helped me immensely. Also *you’re = you are.

[@JH-yj7kk]

I know a Jordan Peterson fan irl. We live in Canada. When I talked with this guy about Jordan Peterson recently, I realized he was still misinformed about Bill C-16. Not only did he still believe Peterson's characterization of the bill, he was shocked when I told him it had passed years ago. He thought Jordan had fought the bill and prevented it from passing. I couldn't believe this person was such a big fan and yet had never looked up any of these situations.

[@TheMarsCydonia]

Tell them that not only did it pass, it's passing has not and never applied to Jordan Peterson. This is because C-16 amended the Canadian Human Rights Act which only applies to the federal government and federally-regulated services. What does apply to say, universities, is the provincial equivalent. In Ontario, the Ontario Human Rights Code so tell them that it too, was amended the same way. With bill 33. In 2012. Over 10 years ago. Peterson somehow either never noticed or that fact would have exposed his grift.

[@JH-yj7kk]

@TheMarsCydonia I did. They quickly ended the conversation lol.

[@SatansSimgma]

I was a JP fan when he wasn't gonna be forced to say words but a week later when he was a self proclaimed expert on 'life' who was blowing minds with such gems as clean your room, I realized is target audience are male athletes of the special type.

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

Yes lol. The brainless toe rogans of the world.

[@DaedalusDesign]

There are some people with very weird views in this world. I saw a posting by a woman earlier in the day espousing how she follows a man named Andrew Tate for his wisdom.

[@88mphDrBrown]

Tate's actually pretty intelligent and can be a charismatic speaker. The problem is that about 1/2 of the stuff he says is disgusting and insane, but he still offers exponentially more intellectually than almost all of the redpill people (which isn't saying much). If you look at people like Ben Shapiro, justpearlythings, and officer Tatum pretty much everything they say is reactionary culture war nonsense.

[@rathan3288]

There are more than 8 billion people in this world right now so of course you can pretty much come up with any crazy idea that you can think of and find a lot of people who would agree with you. And the internet has made it so easy to find people who share the same view as you on a certain topic. There are probably people out there who believe that the moon is made out of swiss cheese 🤣

[@BaronVonQuiply]

@@rathan3288 ... how else do you explain the holes? The galaxy is called the MILKY way! Shoes make great hats! I ate my alarm clock for breakfast because it kept making me Woke™! Now I'm unemployed after getting fired for coming in to work late everyday. Stupid Liberals... THANKS, OBAMA! (Poe's Law Disclaimer: I'm not actually a Conned-serve-ative, Faux Nooz feels-over-reals junkie)

[@Terra_Lopez]

Wow, a rare female follower of Andrew Tate!

[@LittleMissLeared]

Everything Peterson says is just common sense stuff combined with word salad to make it seem more intellectual. I'll give you an example. "Don’t underestimate the power of vision and direction. These are irresistible forces, able to transform what might appear to be unconquerable obstacles into traversable pathways and expanding opportunities.” - Jordan Peterson "Have a goal and a plan to get there." - The straightforward version of what Peterson said.

[@jacksmith-vs4ct]

Yeah when he bothers to make sense at all lol

[@russellward4624]

Common sense for the uneducated.

[@joostdriesens3984]

I want to learn a couple of Peterson quotes so I can spawn them randomly at work 🙂

[@joostdriesens3984]

I think "I love it when a plan comes together." is more inspirational.

[@mariazelekova2315]

yes but when you are writing essay for school and you need to get that word count in , being straightforward doesn't pay 😁

[@88mphDrBrown]

What really blows me away about Peterson is how disconnected from reality his fans are when it comes to accountability and assessing the veracity of his claims. Not only do they have no capacity to recognize his epically blatantly wrong takes, but they'll tout those takes as giant wins. He got famous by flagrantly lying about c-16. His c-16 claims have been proven just about as bad as Bush's Iraq WMD claims, yet almost all of his fans think of his c-16 stuff as him speaking truth to power.

[@kw2080]

What was proven wrong about C-16?

[@andredunbar3773]

@@kw2080 IIRC, he falsely claimed that the bill would lead to business being due down and people being arrested for using the wrong pronouns for trans people.

[@kw2080]

@@andredunbar3773 it is possible, under the bill, to be arrested for pronoun usage. That hasn’t been disproven. He was also concerned with the chilling effect on free speech. Again, not disproven. There is literally no reason to have c-16 unless there be a threat to enforce it. How can you say the enforcement has been disproven? And what was the point of c-16 in your mind?

[@88mphDrBrown]

@@kw2080 His main claim was that it was being implemented to compel Canadian citizen's speech, specifically that it would make it illegal to just not use other people's preferred pronouns. The Canadian bar association wrote him a letter outlining how flagrantly he was misrepresenting c-16. If you actually look into the bill none of his main claims are close to accurate and none of the things he claimed would happen have happened. The bill passed and people have continued to casually misgender people without having to remotely worry about c-16. When I've asked most of his fans about the consequences of c-16 never materializing, they point to Robert Hoogland or Lindsey Shepard, 2 cases that have nothing to do with the legal implementation of c-16.

[@kw2080]

@Beans deadnaming = using someone’s birth name and pronouns. Not Harassment! It should not be illegal. Trans conversion therapy is misleading. That just means keeping them the same , not converting. It is NOT torture. It is much different than gay conversion therapy which is what you are referring to. There is no queer conversion therapy. Although I don’t know what queer means, I believe it just means I a straight democrat lol

[@Terence.Tristan0806]

How could anyone ever take that guy seriously?

[@kw2080]

I like him better than these folks. There isn’t anything wrong with individuality and freedom.

[@SmartDave60]

When he’s attacking people that you don’t like.

[@greeneyedlady5580]

@@kw2080 Nobody on this program has ever said their is anything wrong with that. Stop making strawman arguments.

[@spacecase8888]

@@kw2080 Individuality and freedom....except when it comes to sexual and gender non-conforming people. Lots of people talk a good game on individuality and freedom, but they don't seem to speak up when they start passing laws against drag queens and gender affirming care. Suddenly, individuality and freedom are a threat to the children.

[@feralguyver]

@@kw2080 Individuality and freedom? 2 things Peterson hates.

[@greenzep1]

Thanks!

[@Lumi_Lumi13]

HOW CAN WE GO OUT & SOCIALIZE & MAKE RL FRIENDS WHEN ALL WE DO IS WORK, COME HOME, COOK, & SLEEP, COMMUTE??? We have NO TIME to do ANYTHING except work because if we don't, we lose the roof over our head, our access to food, transportation, & a bunch of other stuff. WE DON'T MAKE ENOUGH $$$ TO HAVE FREE TIME TO SOCIALIZE.

[@alfsmith4936]

I do but I'm a woke leftist.

[@09daniscool]

@@alfsmith4936 huh?

[@alfsmith4936]

@@09daniscool Have time to socialise. I don't work too hard. I am English though, so I probably have more rights than people in 'the land of the free' (for now..)

[@dukeblair7792]

@@alfsmith4936 , you have roommates or live with your parents. Right?

[@alfsmith4936]

@@dukeblair7792 Nope. Council flat ;)

[@ananthropomorphictalkinggo6641]

How people kept believing him after hearing his lobster speech always blows my mind. He doesn't even understand the results of the study he constantly repeats. Serotonin affects invertebrates _very_ differently than mammals, but he doesn't seem to understand that, even though it's relatively common knowledge. Or when he went on Joe Rogan and openly lied about easily verifiable information, like when he claimed to be an evolutionary biologist. He's not. He's a canadian psychology professor sticking his nose in American politics. Now why would someone with no skin in that game be doing that? Because he targeted the easiest group of people on earth to manipulate: disenfranchised conservative males.

[@dsne4327]

They not even conservative, they just confused and inexperienced and then master manipulator with a degree in Psychology gaslight them and manipulate them into an ideology they dont fully understand He really is a Pos

[@joostdriesens3984]

I think he also leans heavily into evolutionary psychology which is shaky territory to say the least, because you can make up easily digested crap as you go, with the claims being very hard to prove.

[@leperlord7078]

Would you have a link on where he claimed that he was an evolutionary biologist? I would hate to endure hours more of his blathering to find that

[@ananthropomorphictalkinggo6641]

@@leperlord7078 it was on Joe rogans podcast, that's the best I can do. All the clips of peterson on KZbin are made by angry incels and right wing propaganda channels who want everyone to think we deserve to be slaves to rich people, so they don't clip stuff that can be used to make him look stupid.

[@joostdriesens3984]

@@leperlord7078 Of course he will not claim that literally, but he just sticks his nose in academic fields where he should just keep away from, even within psychology! To many people Peterson is a psychologist, philosopher, historian, political expert etc. they trust his judgement on everything even if his knowledge is thin or he is just plain wrong.

[@Markstubation01]

Many people in my life still like Jordan Peterson. Middle aged Women, LGBT, POC men, etc. the problem is none of them have heard any of his problematic comments. There are far too many of them to enlighten them all.

[@carolinemaybe]

Well that’s the most depressing thing Ive read today.

[@thedj3319]

Yeah? What are those "problematic" comments?

[@23ofSeptember]

So what? Just listening to "woke" Liberals is boring AF! Its best to listen to a variety of views. Otherwise its just confirmation bias.

[@kernelpickle]

To be fair, for people who get upset when something like gender is viewed as binary-lefties sure are willing to paint people with like Jordan Peterson with a broad brush, and view him in binary terms. Like there’s no gradient between good and bad, right or left, progressive or conservative. I will admit that Jordan Peterson had gone off the rails in the last couple of years, but if you go back and watch his interviews as he came into prominence, he was the one who outclassed those angry feminists who came after him. Now, I’ve never looked into the actual wording of that Canadian law, because I’m not Canadian, but they have a tendency to overreach up there and they don’t have a first amendment to protect them from an overzealous government, so his reaction to the law was probably justified. Any law that compels speech is a bad law that shouldn’t exist. His critique of post-modernist thinking is absolutely valid, because that concept has been pushed beyond absurdity. Some things in life aren’t just a social construct and there are ideas from leftist academics that need to be questioned. Feminism for example is one of those things that has become a mess and it no longer resembles what it was and what it should have remained. Anyway, I don’t feel like wasting a bunch of my time explaining to the fans of a feminist show why feminism is bad. If you want to learn you can find plenty of information that debunks their favorite talking points and arguments, and I also don’t like dealing with hateful misandrists. I care about equality, and oppose the female supremacy movement feminism has become. It’s all about revenge and sticking it to men that they don’t care how far they’ve shot past equality in various aspects of society and happen to dominate. Anyway my point is simply that you can believe in left wing progressive views and think feminism is a crock of shit that is preventing society from reaching actual equality. Just like Jordan Peterson could have good and bad takes on various subjects. You have to stop thinking of politics as binary because I know it’s shocking that I support socialist policies and equality, that I don’t buy into feminist propaganda, but it’s not my fault they’re a bunch of toxic gatekeepers who think they know everything but don’t know that their favorite statistics they love to quote are wrong. It’s not 1 in 4. Look it up, it’s been disproven that it never was.

[@CarsonHughes85]

Come on my podcast and let’s talk about Jordan.

[@SirNerdLeroy]

I used to be this centrist who believed we should hear both sides or listen to which side made more sense. I told my friend how I viewed centrists, and he said that he gets the idea, but there wasn't a single idea or point that most conservatives made that he could agree with in that mindset. I realized how fundamentally, I had the same afflictions. It does start becoming easier to dismiss people who want to take away the rights of those around me. The idea of listening to both sides became less understandable when one side is based only on hatred of minorities and queer people. I jumped ship ling before the anti lgbtq+ rhetoric got so rampant.

[@edwardkantowicz4707]

@C.J. Thurmond Well said, C.J.! I feel similarly, though I confess to listening to Peterson lecture twice in person, and watching many of his vids. I do so as a means of "know thine enemy", and thus believe grinding my teeth whilst listening provides me with notes from the enemy camp. It is extremely difficult to listen to someone so angry and hateful. Certainly many other conservatives and centrists are much more easily listened to when compared to Peterson.

[@ac8074]

Happy to hear that some of the Peterson faithful are starting to wake up. That guy is such a fraud it is amazing to me that anyone even listens to him.

[@BaronVonQuiply]

I have a 12 year old friend who's a big fan of Peterson and Tate. Ok, it gets way worse... he's 41 and thinks he's an Alfalfa Mail who rages against the Wokinistas, 6 year old Gillette ads, and likely windmills..

[@petercollingwood522]

No doubt you have lot more to offer the world.

[@nicolaskrinis7614]

Sure Mrs. Anonymous. How is he a fraud, exactly?

[@Humannondancer]

Interviewer: "So what is your worst fear?" Peterson : "Getting found out" Short version of a true comment Jordan made years ago.

[@joostdriesens3984]

@@nicolaskrinis7614 He says what people want to hear for money while pretending his statements are backed up by science.

[@josephalcindor61]

The lack of access to higher education for millions of Americans is an angle of the JBP thing not spoken about enough. Nearly all the people I know who fall for Peterson’s grift are those who didn’t get a chance to go to or finish college despite having intellectual yearnings. Also, anybody notice how much JBP started LARPing as some sort of 1800s Oxford Dean since he blew up? Before the wales checked 3 piece suits, suspenders and smoking pipes he wore a sport coat and jeans like every other regular college professor

[@FiZ]

Thank you for acknowledging that JP does usually start with a relatively reasonably appeal. Even recently, I've heard people say they got into his material through his "start with cleaning your room" talks about taking back some small of agency in ones life.

[@Cirex2118]

This is what vaush was referring to. We need to tackle self-help areas and help depressed young men. 👏

[@Draxtor]

Indeed! I thought the hate he and Anna got from the Left for putting this on the table was really sad to see

[@goprebelvictory9109]

Self-help is the enemy of the revolution

[@WaxPaper]

If Hasan wasn't Hasan, he'd be perfect for this. He's got the audience, he's got the looks, he's got the sentiment... Just missing that last little thing, lol.

[@Draxtor]

@@goprebelvictory9109 spot on!

[@IshtarNike]

@@Draxtor I still broadly disagree with the idea that we are not doing enough. The fact is any kind of leftwing help is automatically less popular than toxic rightwing "self help" because traditional masculinity and everything young men are taught us skewed to the right. Self help in itself is also skewed rightward due to how it necessarily takes an individualist frame and assumes that the individual is the most important factor in changing life circumstances (if can be, but seldom is). A left winger trying to help an incel guy is trying to get him to totally divest from an entire world view. Where as all the right wingers have to do is push them further into one extreme of it. Much different.

[@codbdup88]

8:31 one of my favorite quotes “red flags just look like flags when your looking through rose colored glasses”

[@5353Jumper]

Goes along with "The middle ground looks like the other side from wherever you are standing".

[@random_h620]

Man, I am so thankful for Sam Harris having Charles Murray on, snapping me out of that 'radical centrist' route. I used to think he was the least bad of the bunch. But seeing as he managed to make Weinstein and Peterson seem like reasonable, worthwhile voices, I don't think that's true, anymore.

[@anonymousinfinido2540]

You are thankful to Sam Harris or Charles Murray

[@random_h620]

@@anonymousinfinido2540 Had they not had their talk, I wouldn't have realized how short-sighted Harris' way of thinking is on some - many even - key political issues. That podcast episode brought me to Majority Report, Michael Brooks in particular.

[@anonymousinfinido2540]

@@random_h620 oh okay 👍

[@korganrocks3995]

Being from one of those dirty communist scandinavian countries saved me from the alt-right youtube pipeline, but Sam Harris is the one guy who managed to trick me for quite a while before I realised that no matter how smart and reasonable someone sounds when he's talking, you have to also judge him on the company he keeps, and the more aware I became of the IDW right-wing grifters he associated with, the more respect I lost for him.

[@loki2240]

@@random_h620 - I stopped listening to Harris after he used a "thought experiment" to support profiling "Muslim-looking" men at airports. Oh, but he also claimed that he would be willing to submit to special screening in the interest of safety (knowing that he would be unlikely to be required to submit to special screening as a white man).

[@nickeramos9973]

I wish you guys kept him on for longer and asked him what he considered red flags, and also, if he had friends who still listened to Peterson

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

Have some consideration for other callers dikhed.

[@rve420]

@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 Yes let's cut every call short and don't delve into any sort of depth so we can get more callers in for 35 seconds then boot them too before we get anywhere meaningful because we need more callers.

[@karl3637]

not a real fan of how binder made fun of the guy at the end, kinda making fun of people who "fell" for peterson... the guy literally just finished telling them about how he was having mental health issues and depression, and matt is acting like "haha suckers."

[@greeneyedlady5580]

I agree. I thought that was really crappy.

[@deathmagneto-soy]

That's not what happened at all. Matt was talking about a hypothetical future caller. Man, did you just willfully mishear what he was saying?

[@karl3637]

@@deathmagneto-soy got 7 likes, don't think I'm alone on this one bub

[@TheaterPup]

@@deathmagneto-soy You are correct, he was basically wishing the caller had been weirder. It was a compliment in a way, heh.

[@AthenaGate]

I can relate to this caller a lot. I fell into the Alt right partly because at the time I was drinking a lot. I had undiagnosed bipolar disorder as well. Desperate people are more likely to be attracted to extremism since it allows for a individual to get "answers," to their short comings. At the end of the day all it did was prevent me from seeking actual help and ultimately it just made me more miserable. JP was attractive to me because he talked about how the "victim mentality," lead to the rise of nazi Germany. Ironically he now promotes that same mentality to his audience. Once I learned that I was the type of person being targeted for radicalization I was kind of digusted that people use individuals such as myself to spread hate and violence for their own benefit. Thank you MR and others like you for dragging me out of that hell.

[@rickb2432]

It still amazes me that people follow a guy that sounds like Kermit the frog.

[@AlastorTheNPDemon]

I was a huge JP fan. I was heavily attracted to his use of language, his expressiveness, and his focus on philosophy. I still listen to his older university lectures and talk on big societal matters. Ever since he started turning religious and showing up on PragerU, I began giving him a smaller share of my attention.

[@f_youtubecensorshipf_nazis]

Psychologists consumed with self are the last people you should listen to about social matters.

[@joostdriesens3984]

I'm sincerely curious what attracted you in his use of language. I find his language (at least his recent use) grating with this pseudo intellectual tone and word salad qualities. I don't recall the exact quote but he says something like "This concept is hypothetically worse for society compared to a very serious disease" instead of "This is a cancer on society". I'm an academic myself and his word-salads would certainly raise eyebrows at a presentation at my university. 🤔

[@AlastorTheNPDemon]

@@joostdriesens3984 I like the complete technical descriptions of things. I low-key nerd out on it.

[@joostdriesens3984]

@@AlastorTheNPDemon Ah, I get that at least, I feel that way too. Just make sure the technical stuff is accurate and not only *sounds* accurate.. 😅

[@joostdriesens3984]

@@geekylove3603 Pseudointellectual speak has some criteria as far as I'm concerned. It is the use of academic language, which is meant to enhance brevity, preciseness and objectivity of what is said, to say things that are actually vague or wrong or have another purpose, but still give the impression of academic quality. It is strange and somewhat sad to me (as an academic) that an actual professor uses language in this way. My guess is that he lost some of his capabilities in his life, which seems to fit with what I heard about addiction problems and even a coma that he was in. I also suspect he does this for more money and attention than he would be getting as a university employee. It is sadly also true that some professors in general are just not good or have become bad over time.

[@bruceleroy7193]

Most of the Rightwingers grift is "You need to listen me & take everything I say seriously I'm not a joke!" & then when challenged "Why are you listening to everything I say & taking it so seriously? It's just jokes."

[@rhynoklein7]

I’m sure many got introduced to JP through the KZbin channel “The Big Think”, that’s where I first saw him, Matt Tiebbi, Weinstein and a few other guys. It seems like a gateway channel.

[@korganrocks3995]

The name weinstein has really taken a hit in recent years!

[@dsne4327]

Doesnt that channel just post all kinds of ppl? I think i seen some lefties on there too

[@korganrocks3995]

@@dsne4327 I always do a quick check on those types of channels when I get a seemingly scientific/progressive video recommended, and half the time a look at their most popular videos shows a worrying theme, and at this point anyone giving a platform to JP or certain other gateway grifters is untrustworthy in my book. They get a "don't recommend this channel" from me.

[@hergie409]

@@dsne4327 there are left wing disinfo artists and conmen too

[@dsne4327]

@@hergie409 who are they? Give me names and i'll look into it

[@Seofthwa]

Manipulators manipulate and Jordan is very good at it. Do not forget that he was a practicing psychologist and he has those skills to bring to bear.

[@3rdCoastAlliance]

For me, the biggest giveaway was when he claimed: "I found out how to monetize social justice warriors." I don't doubt that Jordan Peterson is a capable psychologist, but somewhere along the way, the ease at which he could make money grifting became his modus operandi. I can only guess that 2016 was a supreme opportunity for him to advance his relevance in popular culture.

[@ddhqj2023]

Maybe he's not a capable psychologist. My husband used to say, 'that if you're a good salesman, you baffle them with bullshit'. And that's what I think Peterson does. He gets onto these rants that go all over the place, drop in a whole bunch of big words, dazzle the listener with the 'fairy fingers' stuff he does and every so often circles back to a momentary thought about the original question and then is off again. Might even throw in a tear or two just for good measure to convince that he's sincere.......Maybe his real talent is fooling people into thinking he knows what he's talking about.

[@edwardkantowicz4707]

And what a splendid closing thumbnail we have here featuring his "fairy fingers"! Absolutely perfect. Not unlike a magician with those dramatic flourishes of the hands. Very astute Ms. McCabe.

[@steven5054]

Yes. He was so gleeful when he said that to Rogan. Quite transparent.

[@kyanjory]

Same with me, man! That was the literal tipping point

[@LyndaColterBergh]

Real men cry. Manipulators and sociopaths cry on queue.

[@armandolarade7861]

From the first time I heard Jordan Peterson one word came to mind: gibberish. Stating the obvious and the simple but using 1000 big words to make it sound like you have reinvented the wheel. Word salad...

[@tmate88-j8y]

Very wholesome when they see the light.

[@xR0N1Nx]

My oldest son likes Jordan. I see the guy like an evangelical, who rants about his understanding of textbooks.

[@jacksmith-vs4ct]

Oh he is an evangelical too his older books were about the Bible and were super unhinged

[@bazingaburg8264]

Dude used to go on and on about Cain and Abel or endtime horror he bases on "prophetic dreams" of his wife. His cookie persona of a professor spinning white hot magic is hillarious. Projecting one's expertise anywhere it doesn't belong, can't help but be hillarious.

[@zoobrizz]

He’s extremely intelligent and logical. The opposite of this audience 🤡

[@resplndnt]

There’s some evidence that JP is a high functioning schizophrenic. Like his claim he was misdiagnosed for schizophrenia but he also said he had a movement disorder associated with schizophrenia. Plus there’s the inappropriate emotions, disorganized thoughts and actions, his impenetrable beliefs about bill c-16, his grandiosity. It’s not his diagnosis that’s the problem so much as his refusal to accept or to manage it

[@murrmurr765]

I fuching love everyone at Majority Report, they make me so happy and less alone! Thank you guys!

[@mcbain1969]

The thought from the beginning is haunting. A movie inspired by "Being John Malkovich" but with Jordan Peterson as the central vehicle. I'd say only Aamon Hawk is able to bring enough eldritch vision to the project to make that idea a reality. I want to see that.

[@fl00d69]

I bet you Aamon does it too - it's just a matter of time

[@jessestreet2549]

Aamon is a rare one. not many artists can make me laugh in horror.

[@Winspur1982]

If it's Henry Kissinger in Jordan Peterson's body, I'd watch it.

[@Terence.Tristan0806]

He has nothing that would generate self help!!

[@korganrocks3995]

Cleaning your room/generally getting into the habit of taking care of chores as they appear instead of putting them off indefinitely is actually good advice. However, it's the most basic, common sense advice that anyone could tell you, so I'm not giving JP a lot of credit for it!

[@tylerhackner9731]

Vaush is right. Jordan is exactly what we need to pull young men away from.

[@The-Wolf-with-no-name]

Him and Andrew Tate

[@cryptoforeveryone2689]

@@The-Wolf-with-no-name afraid of masculinity are ya? Not surprising

[@sensualeye]

@@cryptoforeveryone2689 I wouldn't call either person “masculine.”

[@CarsonHughes85]

BS, come chat about this with me on my podcast

[@vgaportauthority9932]

@@cryptoforeveryone2689 "afraid of masculinity are ya? Not surprising" Jordan is an old man with old-man skin and no ability to build muscle. Hiding his hideous old body in goofy suits just to feel like he's not a conformist. Like an office worker with red socks, what a rebel! Tate has no chin, is balding and pouts his lips all day long like a lil skank. Look at him in pictures when he tries to shoot his jaw forward to make it look like he's masculine.. He gets that freaky pouty lower lip because he has to push his jaw SO FAR FORWARD that it offsets his entire lip region. It's hilarious that this lanky clown is seen as a baller. Don't even get me started on his "art"... It is unbelievable how bad he is at rapping. No one here is afraid of masculinity, we just hate seeing young boys being misled into thinking Jordan and Tate are real men. They're charlatans and opportunists. You think a real man has to go around stating that he's the "top G" all day long? He needs to do that because he looks like Average Joseph with a leather jacket level confidence. How bad are conservative male role models these days when Jordan and Tate are seen as masculine? Tate has a fleet of sports cars to hide the fact that he has no chin, no charisma, no hair (dude keeps claiming he shaves out of choice.. That lie got obliterated by his jail-hair..) and a pickle dick. If he had a sausage worth mentioning, he'd be the type of guy to post pictures. Fact of the matter is his bulge is pitiful. Jordan had to go to russia to deal with his benzo addiction (his focus while studying at Harward was "aggression arising from drug and alcohol abuse". He got addicted to benzos even though he had specialized in drug abuse.... He got addicted to benzos to get over the fact that he cheated on his dying wife... He got detoxed under a coma in russia.. This is the masculine man you're talking about. No one here is afraid of masculinity, we're tired of seeing lesser men waylay your lost boys. Find some real men to follow rather than these two losers. Jordan is fricken 60.. Ain't no masculine 60 year old out there. None. That's when your skin starts getting all soft and grandpa-ish. That's when you stop being able to build muscle... Jordan is a scrawny lil wanker. Tate needs to flex in every picture to not look like a normie. Meanwhile the Rock and Henry Caville are just handsome hyper masculine good guys ready to be anyone's healthy role model. None of them are peddling nofap nonsense and pineal gland bullshit either. They're pretty great it seems like. Both of them could bundle up Jordan and swallow him whole. Scrawny ass old bonejangles and a lanky goofball.... Maybe find someone who is actually masculine if you want to rub our noses in it. I'm a 45 year old loser, and I'm 50x the man Jordan is.. Look at that scrawny clown... There's nothing manly about him, he looks hella frail. The kinda guy I could just lean on and he'd buckle at the knees and double over. You could kick his ass too, with ease. Why would you use him as an example of masculinity? Dude can't even talk tough with his hilariously feminine voice. Sounds like a lady who got her voice box destroyed in the porn industry. Ribbit, ribbit.

[@Nites2k]

This makes me think of when the caller who called Rush Limbaugh, crying saying "all we have is you rush!!! Wa wa

[@sebolddaniel]

You all need to clean up your rooms.

[@chrisgregory3063]

Jordan Peterson uses confusion and double speak to keep his audience in a state of confusion/susceptibility, I would really like to test someone who watched his video on what actual information they absorbed from his obscure word salad. It’s almost hypnotic. Often I will see people applauding his common sense when in fact he has the worst/dumbest take on that subject. Did they actually hear what he said? I simply don’t know but I’m betting they more than likely didn’t and just project their own take on the subject.

[@jasonboyd782]

100%. I've said this same thing about Peterson. It actually scares me how easy it is to fool people simply by making no fucking sense whatsoever.

[@purplefishies]

Great video segment. We need to identify why people feel so lonely and try to actually fix it

[@CitanulsPumpkin]

I'm secure enough to admit I cry during certain movies or shows. Specifically, the ending of Rise of the Guardians. I don't know what it says about me that children standing up to fairy tale Demigods is what does it for me, but there it is. Even with that, Jordan Peterson's crying fits are so unbelievably weird. He cries over women not understanding that their place is in the kitchen. He cries over social safety net programs helping too many people avoid starvation. He cries when an oppressed minority is being validated and uplifted, and he cries for that one because he thinks it's the first sign that civilization is ending. Jordan Peterson cries whenever the status quo is questioned or challenged. Because in his mind, the heteronormative patriarchy is the underdog in the story of humanity. If Peterson had written Old Yeller that movie would have ended with the dog picking up the gun and shooting the bear, and he would lose his mind over all the children in the audience cheering for the dog and failing to see his beautiful tribute to the how the food chain is the real hero of the story.

[@Mixamaka]

JP want to be seen as this great psychologist his peers never recognized as such.

[@Anonamoosemouse]

I used to be a big JP fan, I read 12 rules for life before I really knew who he was and it was at a time where I was looking for self improvement. In fact, much of my life success was a result of self improvement so I saw life as almost a game which you have to learn how to play and the better you get at playing the game, the better life would be. I came from an immigrant father and a mother who never worked a day in her life, who broke up early in my life, but ended up getting a masters degree and earned very good money, working from a luxury office in London for 3 years. Life was teaching me that hard work and learning the game of life was beneficial. I also found JP's comment about communism interesting and the more I looked into communism, the more I felt like we didn't take extreme left wing ideas seriously enough, while far right wing ideas are always discrefited as they should be, apart from in pretty extreme circles, at least publically! So this combination of circumstances led me down a path of appreciating more right wing ideas like fiscal responsibility, meritocracy, self determination and small government. Over the years, I have come to realise that both sides put me off, now that I've been around more successful people and seen that the ideas of meritocracy, self determination, fiscal responsibility etc. Don't work in practice even though I had seen it work in my life for a period. Nowadays I live in Finland which just reinforces the idea of social democracy because even those at the bottom can have a decent life, society works well, there are great social systems and facilities, it's clean and safe, people are modest so individualism and material posessions aren't fetishised like they are in the other western countries. It feels like human life is Inherently valuable in this society and it's less judgemental, whereas in the UK, I felt more like I'm only valuable if I achieve what society tells me is valuable or be someone that fits into a nice desireable box. Finland isn't perfect, but a lot of what people say about it is true. Ultimately, I think a lot of what JP said, especially further in the past was useful and it csn help you improve on yourself. However, there isn't much provided on how to love and accept yourself regardless, how to be less critical of yourself and the world and it doesn't allow you to settle for being an average person that by definition, most of us are.

[@LDrosophila]

I cackled too he was trying tp squeeze out tears

[@kw2080]

Laughing at crying people lol.

[@jessestreet2549]

@@kw2080 i always laugh at crocodile tears. when i see real ones? no.

[@razcarsey6635]

I disagree. The unsettling thing about Peterson is that the tears are very real. He's a true believer. He thinks he's a prophet who has a direct connection to something bigger than us mortals could ever comprehend. He's as 'ideologically possessed' as anyone, to use his own phrase. He's authentic where it counts, which is what makes him so popular. Whatever grifting he does is in service to a larger and more noble cause that god has burdened him with - and the tears are a legitimate expression of that burden. In some sense, I think he's literally insane.

[@lindseystein9676]

@razcarsey6635 I agree, it’s very unsettling when he’s crying about the nonsense he’s blathering. Idk how anyone could follow his ideology, he’s clearly unwell and needs help.

[@KingJT80]

@@razcarsey6635 hes not insane It's the benzos...

[@jonj1163]

Jordan Peterson used to be a very wise dude. Then the drugs ruined him. Once upon a time he spoke about systemic injustice now he talks about chubby (but hot) swimsuit models and the chick from Juno chopping her lady bits off.

[@ameerhamid89]

I can't comment on whether he was ever wise but it's the grift that ruined him more than the drugs.

[@thearmyoffluffs3809]

That's interesting to hear this perspective because I never got the appeal. I wish we could have heard his turning point though.

[@MichaelDeHaven]

I won't say it's universal, hardly anything is that simple, but the best thing I heard about JBP's attraction is.... If you had a good/healthy relationship with your father you won't get him. If you had a poor relationship with your father, you will.

[@_audacity2722]

@@MichaelDeHaven ironically my father spent nearly 10 years in prison and I was still able to smell Peterson's daddy-problem grift way back in 2016/17. I've never had any problems finding male role models in my life, and I also don't put people on pedestals where they don't belong so I don't expect perfection from my mentors.

[@Tribuneoftheplebs]

My first problem with Peterson back then was his ignorance about history, religion, and anything to do with African Americans. He may be a smart psychologist but thats it. Too many people think they are experts in all domains because of proficiency in one.

[@MichaelDeHaven]

@@_audacity2722 Glad you managed to avoid getting taken in. I wouldn't say I fell for his stuff, but I definitely found him fascinating. Note this was all inhis very early days. I ended up finding out all kinds of things in my effort to make sense of what he was saying. Of course it was often the near opposite of what he claimed. So in a perverse way, I kind of own him for that. Personally I prefer to avoid role models and elevate ideas. People are too fallible. Besides it tends to be easier to distance yourself from an idea than a person you became attached too.

[@kappadarwin9476]

Back in 2016 I was upset Hillary lost to Trump so anything that criticized Bernie Sanders I ate up like candy which lead me to things like PregerU and then to Steven Crowder.

[@eliwahuhi]

The fact that you laugh at him crying says a lot in itself.

[@greggiles7309]

In the Eighties the popular promotional fad was being loaded with muscles attracted women. Then along came the pickup artists, followed by the hypergamy Bachelor show. Women always ask us what hobbies we have. =I entertain myself, and make myself comfortable.

[@alwaysovercomingbear4809]

So how do you help a young man who feels ostracized, lonely and like they don't have the skills to live life? If Jordan Peterson stops them from killing themselves, isn't that a good thing?? Sincerely asking....🥴

[@screechweiner2921]

"jordan peterson sounds like a slowly leaking balloon." -nick mullen

[@joostdriesens3984]

😆 He's been drifting in the wrong direction for a while now. Maybe a jet can shoot him out of the sky over the ocean and put him out of his misery 😄

[@zoobrizz]

He’s extremely intelligent and logical. The opposite of this audience 🤡

[@nakfoor1846]

I was a fan of Peterson too when he first hit the scene. It's pretty much the same blueprint with all the modern-age conservative figures. They start with non-controversial premises as if thats some big revelation. But it earns trust with the audience when in contrast they are debating irate and inexperienced college kids. Then they segue into more radical talking points and commodification. Ultimately I stopped listening because I grew up past "should women wear makeup" as an interesting point of discussion.

[@zoobrizz]

Yes. He’s extremely intelligent and logical. The opposite of this audience 🤡

[@nakfoor1846]

@@zoobrizz I don't think you're actually a trump guy, but isn't pretending to be a moron still make you a moron?

[@avirichar4981]

excellent insight into how the whole manipulative abusive thing goes, in actual factual reality -- since subjectively without context it can feel and seem very different from what later gets realized to be longform/long-game concern trolling by IDW/Android Taint types

[@akshayde]

I was never in any right wing bubble or anything but i liked peterson for a minute. When you are down and out, pull yourself up by your bootstraps sounds like the only way out and the only thing you can even begin to manage. And yes it is a valid solution but not for everything and definitely not beyond a point.

[@christianajoy]

Can I write about how I was an open trans woman since 2004 and all of the reactionary right-wingers, and younger counterparts, traumatized me in a genuine way, and I am not ready to accept their half-assed apologies?

[@doctorbigsmiles]

I have a mp3 of Jordan Peterson singing Cranberries - Zombie and I like to play it on repeat and cry myself to sleep sometimes. Everyday.

[@BooksForever]

That literally sounds like the stuff of nightmares.

[@BooksForever]

@Andrew Cottingham - Risky request, man… you’re gonna get Rick Rolled. Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down Never gonna run around and desert you Never gonna make you cry Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you

[@deathmagneto-soy]

@@BooksForever - Never gonna clean my room, Never gonna say Bucko, Never gonna join a group of Nazis.

[@BooksForever]

@@deathmagneto-soy - well done. Bravo!

[@eyeamstrongest]

this makes me yearn for that ai speech splicer someone made of jordan peterson

[@ajdigio]

I had gotten into Peterson's videos 5-6 years ago. In small snippets, he does sound intellectual, then I read his book. After a few chapters I was like this guy doesn't know shit. Clean your room? Stand up straight? That's the best you got?

[@ehrenbowling]

It’s sad to see a caller show some honest vulnerability to then have the Wookie laugh at him and interact with such a smarmy tone. The courage to sit behind a microphone and dole out judgement of the world is…well, sadly typical. Creative content would be amazing!!!

[@nura1627]

Yea, I think at the end Matt picked up on that bit not working and tried to bring it back around to less jokey tone. Albeit, a little late.

[@jamesrobbins1243]

That's not what happened.

[@rve420]

Matt said like 5 times that it's a good thing to hear from callers like that.

[@ehrenbowling]

@@jamesrobbins1243 The part of the spectrum you reside lacks the subtle awareness it takes to infer tone of voice and nonverbal cues. There are exercises to help you.

[@ehrenbowling]

@@rve420 I commented on his actions so the point you’re attempting to make is not clear.

[@moribnd]

But Jordan promotes Christian life and traditional gender roles as some kind of answer to problems. His “intellectual” ideas are fully confused nonsense, while he has some obvious public speaking skills and psychology and history background in education.

[@nightpandas7178]

The left could be doing more rhetorically to reach disaffected young men, including presenting a positive version of traditional masculinity and caring about men the same way they talk about caring about every other group. There's a reason men gravitate towards conservatives, they're the only ones really speaking to them

[@ninagrace-lee8323]

I kinda disagree with this. There are leftist KZbinrs who do speak to men as their main demographic but what are they saying? If you want to blame women and minorities for your problems, then leftism won’t work for you. And a lot of young men are looking for simplistic answers like “clean your room” instead of more complex, hard to digest systemic solutions to problems that affect everyone. Not to mention the emphasis on looking at your prejudices and fixing that. Telling young men they are temporarily embarrassed millionaires who can pull themselves up by their bootstraps…and that minorities are the real obstacles to their masculinity? Easy sell.

[@payasoinfeliz]

Who you speak to is irrelevant. The only thing that matter is who listens to you. Those men are gravitating toward Jordan because it validates biases they already have.

[@steven5054]

The algorithms push reactionary right-wing content as it garners more engagement. Uphill battle unfortunately. And it's far easier to blame your woes on a marginalised group than to understand the exploitative systems that we live under. Far easier.

[@jeffreycarman2185]

My wife has a friend who is emotionally stunted from being largely abandoned by his already aloof parents in his teens, who found Jordon Peterson for self-help through the local library. According to my wife this friend is usually quite liberal in his views. I told my wife the kinds of things Peterson espouses and she was pretty surprised that this friend has become a fan of Peterson. But that’s how he gets you, he says a lot of platitudes and says he feels your pain, then, starts sneaking in Holocaust denial and neo-con talking points.

[@leperlord7078]

i knew he was a scum,but when did he do any holocaust denial shit?

[@mikeobrien288]

Crying along with JP. 😆

[@YukonBloamie]

I never caught the Jordan Peterson bug because my first exposure to him was his first appearance on Sam Harris' podcast and ... phew was it a hot mess. They spent like an hour going in circles about the definition of truth.

[@DonnyKanone]

Always a good idea to start a response with "the thing that makes you cry, i just instantly cackled". There are for sure other reasons to weave in a DIRECT unflattering comparison with the person on the other end then just.... ego. And build upon it later on by even elaborating on it and ACTUALLY cackling into the camera. Very empathetic. Be better.

[@greeneyedlady5580]

I agree. I was repulsed by Matt acting that way. He should know better. This isn't his first try rodeo.

[@jamiewhyte-up8kc]

Dudes let your callers talk more, please

[@angiedoe597]

JP does make sense about somethings, but the constant need to feed his fan base leads him to say more and more weird things. Now I think his transformation to just another right winger talking head is complete

[@wet-read]

I agree. He does say good and useful stuff, but is also simplistic and out there on other things.

[@gaiusjuliuspleaser]

Nothing that JP has ever said that made sense was original. You could get the same amount of life lessons from a box of stale fortune cookies, but without the literal fascist propaganda that comes with JP.

[@alfsmith4936]

@@gnubbiersh647 Tidy your room. Look smart. Stop playing with your winky.

[@alfsmith4936]

@@gnubbiersh647 I know. He moulds people into good little fascist workers. I was just proving you wrong on the "nobody on the left says these things" :p

[@vgaportauthority9932]

That's what cult leaders do. You can't spew nonsense all day, you have to have some reasonable moorings to tether your bullshit to. All the right wingers do this. They air a real problem, then tell their minions who to blame. Sometimes it's themselves, but most of the time it's rooted in society just hating "real men." Everyone else is just emasculated, only the select few who enter the cult are real proper men, and they're being rejected by a feminized society... Always need some common sense portions or the house of cards has no foundation. Men are being paid less than their dads, what's to blame? Couldn't be ruthless capitalism, it has to be women. Before women started working en masse, men could provide for a family, now they can't, WOMEN'S FAULT! That's a slice of truth bread with a fat stack of bologna. Only meal they serve.

[@jahbloomie]

It's not about 'helping the poor, but about justice for the workers who actually create the wealth. Whether they deal in products or services , how much business can an owner generate without employees?

[@richardmaclean4519]

As Satan said to Jesus… “Christian character… That only gets you crucified.“

[@kw2080]

Atheist or satanist?

[@kw2080]

@Beans and you?

[@BaronVonQuiply]

@@kw2080 With few exceptions, a Satanist is just an Atheist, as nearly all people who believe in a devil are Christians. If someone tells you they are a Satanist, however, it is likely you've just met a decent person. Not always though, I know a dick with a devil flag because he doesn't understand it.

[@kw2080]

@Beans why are you hiding it? Ashamed? Be proud.

[@Kcoldraz]

Peterson's position can still be defensible using helping people rhetoric. I mean, If you think your words help people having a greater public reach just gives your healing words greater effect.

[@rubbercable]

Sam would be given the guest more air time at the start. I guess this is a matter experience.

[@joandolliedoyle775]

I agree. I wanted to hear about how he started to question his belief in Peterson.

[@richardp6461]

This caller was honest with you, and you just laughed at him. This one was a loss for the Majority report.👎

[@jamesrobbins1243]

They really didn't though.

[@richardp6461]

@@jamesrobbins1243 Actually they did at the end. After the call ended. Don't get me wrong I love the majority Report, and watch it regularly, I'm subscribed. But some people are starting to come around to reality and laughing at them is not the way, if you want this country to live though this divide. At some point we will have to live with these people.☮️

[@celestialnubian]

Peterson let fame turn him into a clown.

[@_audacity2722]

That's the secret cap. He was always a clown

[@zachariahwade8482]

Was always a clown. There’s video of him in Canadian Community TV way before C-16 crying about his Son being emasculated because he isn’t allowed to throw snowballs at other children in school.

[@L_i_g_h_t]

Glad the caller is in a better place emotionally and politically.

[@umwhatthistime]

Jordan Peterson is a desperate man. Running away from something

[@oum6544]

From cleaning his room.

[@gunnarernst4267]

Really good call on Acho Emma - he is slowly following Whitlock path.

[@playerone7663]

I get why people get very annoyed and even angry with right wingers/racists and so called conservatives, but there is no other option but to show empathy and understanding (to a certain degree) for their issues/concerns and to explain how their worldview doesnt solve anything. Everyone except the most extreme, disengenious, malicious people can learn something. Even if it takes time and patience.

[@eyeamstrongest]

nah

[@BaronVonQuiply]

I recently got one to admit they don't care about borders, they only care about immigrants. Now, if you ask him, he'll insist he still cares deeply about imaginary lines, but every time I bring up Canada... he doesn't care. He's only concerned with brown people.

[@user-wi3yx3gy2o]

If Jordan Peterson was a driving instructor in stead of a clinical psychologist, he’d be saying that none of the other driving instructors have the guts to just tell students to step on the gas, and instead they are encouraging the students to attack the passengers in the car, but he is the only one that tells people to not attack the passengers, to step on the gas, and to not run over pedestrians. The reality is that many other driving instructors may not go on and on about stepping in the gas or not attacking passengers under most circumstances, but that there are also circumstances when there is a carjacking and your kids are in the car, and you might want to attack the carjacker climbing in the passenger side door, or even run over pedestrians, such as if the pedestrian is an active shooter, but normally, these things don’t come up at all because they are busy trying to teach students how to stop the car and to not over accelerate and when to yield to other drivers and when not to, and if they can across someone who needed to be told to step on the gas, they would certainly do that. In other words you marriage is not falling apart because you went to an anti-Trump rally instead of cleaning the house that day. It might fall apart if never clean your house or never work or make your spouse do most of both, or you hate your husband essentially because he is a man or merely because didn’t go with you because he had to work, or watch the kids, or or clean, or something. V

[@1952PAL]

And the comment thread fills with trolls....

[@kw2080]

What trolls?

[@kw2080]

@Beans so “troll” is not an action but a belief system now for designating disagreement? Quick! Rid society of trolls in that case.

[@JordanGurney]

I am a total, former Peterson fan, but absolutely he got cartoonish and wacked out quickly

[@zoobrizz]

He’s extremely intelligent and logical. The opposite of this audience 🤡

[@duaneandrewblack6269]

That was a good show. More like this.

[@HeyThatsInteresting97]

Yeah, it reminds me of the good old days of the Sunday morning Atheist Experience with Eric and Jamie with callers like Hamish. If you know you know

[@kw2080]

What was good about it?

[@HeyThatsInteresting97]

@@kw2080 hearing the perspective of someone who has changed their mind about something - or at the very least rethought something they’ve long held unquestionable.

[@kw2080]

@@HeyThatsInteresting97 do you mean specifically changed from right to left, or are you interested in the left to right as well? For example, I had long been pro choice but have examined my belief structure, found it illogical and changed it to pro life. That is, is the change itself valued by you as you indicated with generic language or is a specific direction valued?

[@someguy5438]

@@kw2080 many people give from left to right as they grow into out of touch, grumpy old people.

[@bassinc3039]

Conservative - what is good for me, is not good for you. I'll tell you what is good for you. Do as I say, not as I do.

[@billybigwig1154]

Love the show. Left is best.

[@zoobrizz]

Hilarious. And Joe 🤡 Biden is the lefts Best 👍

[@deborahlukovich2193]

A friend of mine shared a Jordan video about two years ago. He was expressing how disappointed in himself he was for finding that he hadn’t thrown out a dirty coffee filter from the day before and then went on to talk about evolution. I told my friend he was so creepy and that he didn’t know what he wasn’t talking about. I could see them how dangerous he was. That he would be so sad and disappointed in himself that he didn’t follow his morning ritual was so weird.

[@AgentAika001]

Alpha males don't forget to clean up after themselves! ROAR

[@joostdriesens3984]

I feel somewhat sad for him, he seems to advertise these 'masculine' traits like discipline, strength and rationality, but he comes across as emotional, a little unbalanced and frail..

[@brentwalker3300]

The whole "Peterson fanboy" thing is interesting and scary. As someone who went through childhood and early adulthood before the internet, I can only recall admiring a few historical figures studied in school and then subsequently read about in books or seen on television. Back then one had to really make an effort to learn about "thinkers" in order to come to admire them. Today, the internet is rife with wannabe saviors vying for "Likes" and making money off of sensationalism. Our social, governmental, and educational systems have not kept pace with our technology.

[@Grundlesweat]

Caller sounds massively on the spectrum, not surprised he was seduced by JP

[@reeceh78]

this doesn't add up, people on the spectrum are not JP fans

[@CODDE117]

Honestly I wish they woulda let them talk more

[@lhoward9593]

I thought Peterson was "interesting" when he appeared on Bill Maher several years ago (my 1st exposure). Subsequently, he has gone off the rails and seems unhinged.

[@randomuser6378]

I was a “fan” for about 30 seconds. During that 30 seconds, I took what he said about the bill as accurate because as he misrepresented it, if what he said WAS true, it would be ridiculous. But then I looked up the details, and realized he was full of shit.

[@beansnrice321]

The whole concept of American political conservativism was always a fraudulent product of marketing. They always said things liek how they were trying to preserve traditional American values but that's only expressed from their point of view of what those values were. Conservativism was always driven by wealthy capital looking for a way to appeal to voters and people like the idea of conserving. It's literally a Frank Lunzesq/Gincrichesq rhetorical trick. Take a radical position and call it conservative. Like Obama said, he was trying to conservative American values such as rule of law. He caller Republicans radicals and said that he was more conservative than they were. Peterson has even so much as confessed that his whole product is just an rhetorical trick to sell books.

[@bazingaburg8264]

"Cracked the code on monetizing liberal outrage" is how he said it, if i remember correctly.

[@BaronVonQuiply]

When I was in 11th grade, I had a coke-sniffing, father-of-a-violent-felon, History teacher who tried making a case that "Conservatism was originally all about Conserving the environment". I found someone in comments once saying it's about "Conserving the Constitution" that they worship and have never read. Now, if you ask me, it's about a combination of preserving the status quo, and going backwards to an imagined golden age when everything sucked. It's stagnation and regression. Violence and greed. Iron Fist corporate rule. Wealth extraction. Worship of wealth and capitalism. I'd bring up Satan, but if you read the bible he's the good guy, so "The Devil" in common parlance - eg, one Sells Their Soul not by signing a contract in blood, but by invading a sovereign nation to steal and murder, and by restricting medication to those tho can pay.

[@Alsatiagent]

Longtime ago Peterson was a fascinating guest on Ontario public TV (TVO). No sign of any political motive. Years later he is flat out lying about "hunger strikes" due a minor change in Canadian law. And getting a huge amount of international press for it.The head of the Canadian psychiatric regulatory body made the previously unheard of move of publishing a correction to JPs dishonesty in major Canadian newspapers. This did not receive much international press. Turns out JP could label a black man as a white man all day long and not break any Canadian laws. He might get fired by his employer (University of Toronto) but all this talk of the brave defender of free speech was just manipulative bs from a suddenly much wealthier, overmedicated depressive. No offence intended to those who suffer from any form of mental anguish.

[@richardacevedo2056]

My biggest gripe with Dr. Peterson is that you realize very quickly he doesnt even follow his own stupid ass rules. I thought (and some ways still think) he has some very interesting interpretations of the bible but then you see him in his vids and in the background his room is frickin messy af! The constant crying is also very off putting and hilarious. "What would we do without men building the buildings and plumbing toilets. There would never be another opened jar in the world if no men" or whatever lol. Finally there was the whole Slavoj Zizek "debate" (more like public execution) where Zizek bodied Dr. Peterson so hard he put him in a coma (literally). I mean when Jordan said he came to debate Marxism and it seemed like all he read up on was The Communist Manifesto I began to question his intellectual and debating prowess. I mean its less than 50 pages if im not mistaken and thats all the research you did? Where as Zizek has been pondering/reading/writing on all things Marx practically his entire career. Honestly Dr. Peterson hasnt been the same since.