All New Bachmann Class 24/1 + Free DCC Sound (Mistake?) | Unboxing & Review

[@thenorgalofthehills5688]

Judging by how smooth it is and how long it takes to start and stop, and also by how the decoder itself looks in general, it looks like you may have an ESU Loksound decoder in there. ESU makes all around top notch decoders. And the reason for the slight delay in the start and stopping of the engine is because they often go for realism with their decoders. So it looks like you’ve gotten very lucky sir. ESU Loksound decoders are just amazing

[@harrytilbury2453]

Definitely not a Loksound as it's missing the function contacts on the end, It's a Zimo chip of some kind for sure

[@harrytilbury2453]

Just google a pic of a zimo chip and you'll see what i mean

[@lindaoffenbach]

Even more impressive for the price I would say.

[@harrytilbury2453]

@@lindaoffenbach Yup probably a sound fitted model put in the wrong box by accident

[@lindaoffenbach]

@@harrytilbury2453 At 2:16 we can see the 21 DCC logo on the box though... but yeh the sound could very well be an error.

[@oliknow]

I admit I don't share the Model Hobby, I simply watch your Videos for the fun of it. Calm, straightforward, no loud noises or hyped up stuff. Just good Videos, no matter the Topic really. Now I made myself unpopular I guess.

[@SamsTrains]

Thank you so much - that's great to hear - glad you like the vids... hopefully you don't catch the modelling bug ;) Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@kenjimaurerfromdisneyland2001]

@@SamsTrains 00:00:15 - I like the music, The music reminds me of shapes.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Great video Sam, nice bonus with the sound too! The Class 24 does seem like a really nice model - hopefully this is the same sort of quality/detail we can expect from the new Class 47 Bachmann have just announced. They seem to have upped their game lately and it's good to see them getting back into the fight instead of churning out old models for high prices.

[@bentullett6068]

Still churning out the old steam locomotives models at high prices though. Although the newer design steam locomotives recently brought out aren't that bad.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Ben Tullett True but things won’t completely change overnight and as you said their latest steam engines do seem to be much better. The detail/quality on their new models looks like it justifies the high price tag (in my opinion) rather than it being expensive just because it’s a Bachmann model. 😊

[@shepdog161]

Spring 2022. Visiting to the UK, went to London Transport Museum and picked up one for 149 GBP. Highly detailed, no glue marks, beautiful finish, very heavy, smooth five pole motor, a great little locomotive!

[@ianhartley395]

So glad you got a good one finally. You’ve had some real dogs to review and this was superb! It definitely seems like the actual new models by Bachman are improving. A few of those late models you reviewed at the end of last year showed a big jump in quality too. I’m a steam guy, but this is one very fine and beautiful model. I sure hope they don’t ask for it back!

[@leroyholm9075]

Sam: In 1958 there were many branch lines open with weight constrictions. The Type 2s could get almost anywhere and if the task involved pulling ballast and mineral loads into remote locations you just double head them. This class was responsible for delivering a lot of aggregate to the various roadbuilding projects in the early 1960’s.

[@williamsquires3070]

Hi Sam. Check the instruction sheet and see if one of those configuration jumpers/switches controls analog running. It might also be a CV (configuration variable) in the decoder has to be set a particular way to enable analog operation. I’d say 95+% of decoders sold these days DO operate on analog (DC) mode. Definitely worth checking out. 😊

[@bjoe385]

I think the chassis block detail is included because some variants of the Sulzer type 2 have windows into the engine room.

[@TomPrickVixen]

Maybe you got the commercial package from Bachmann! Similar surprise only happened with me with 2nd hand locos, when during the serviceing I found decoders inside of 2 locos, despite both were sold as non DCC fitted. One is an old Gützold diesel (DR class 119) from the mid 90's; one of the earliest 8 pins locos, and it does had (still has) a huge old decoder in it, was running fine on DC so did not noticed anything till the 1st big maintenance. The other is a Bachmann 5 MT tank loco, that was sold as a non runner. Turned out the decoder had a damaged wire, so it was an easy fix, and a cheap DCC fitted loco!

[@stuartaaron613]

Sam, I wonder if the reason for the details on the side of the chassis is Bachmann will produce other versions of the class 24 with windows which will let you see the details.

[@fernsnyder7072]

Yes. Smart thinking!

[@Simon-Davis]

Its for the forthcoming 25/2 and 25/3, which do have side windows, the class 24 chassis is a common item between the models pretty much as with the real things.

[@androo4519]

Or that they'd intended to produce the body a certain way and changed their mind but had already tooled up for the internals.

[@Simon-Davis]

@@androo4519 SLW did exactly the same thing, its detail for a class 25/3. Even with the etched grilles of the SLW class 24 you can't see through them anywhere except the radiator, but casting them on the class 24 chassis means you don't need two different castings for the different models, its a production cost saving. Phil Sutton confirmed this when they announced their own class 25/3.

[@Crotchr0ckit]

They are doing that with Their new class 47 as if you see their recent video it has internal engine room lighting in which you can see into the engine details. So it’s entirely possible they intend to offer different models in the future or maybe it’s to offer a model is the chance to move the panels if they want to do a depot setting for instance

[@leroyholm9075]

British Railways designed a livery that reflected its heritage. Solid & Dependable, hence the Victorian styled dark (BR) green with subtle two tones and light lining.

[@TheJmnewton]

Great video. Please let us know if Bachman got back to you. I’m 100% with you on mechanism and performance. A silent and perfectly running loco is bliss to me. Even if it isn’t a perfectly detailed model.

[@perthdave100]

hey sam, looks like a big improvement from the previous class 24 and a huge discount, bachmann RRP sound fitted with DCC chip is £280, this 24 you have is a 24/0, the 24/1 was built with headcode boxes and smaller fuel tank, me thinks someone has mixed up the loco and box, hopefully there are no issues with bachmann and you are able to keep the loco.

[@Dreadtower]

Yep. Wrong loco in box.

[@danieleveritt4086]

Maybe but the loco number and the number the box say it is match up, very weird

[@Dreadtower]

The loco number was printed on the label: the description on the box.

[@danieleveritt4086]

@@Dreadtower yeha meant the label woops

[@Simon-Davis]

Not all /1s were built with headcodes. The /0 ended at D5049 with D5050 to D5113 being a /1 without headcodes, which makes this model of 5094 very much a 24/1. You can see the smaller water tank typical of a /1 on this model as its not as tall as the fuel tank, the shortened in length tanks was a further weight saving modification carried out later on, as well as their complete removal...but while they still had full green ends the only smaller tanks were on the /1. On a similar note, the /0 locos loaned to the Southern and found to be too heavy had the tanks and heating boilers removed rather than modified.

[@theeventhorizon-valebridge9512]

A truly worthwhile channel, your objective reviews are appreciated. Good work Sam.

[@SamsTrains]

Really appreciate your kind words, glad you like the videos! Thanks for watching! Sam:)

[@leroyholm9075]

The 72-75 ton weight means that this model could be seen on a very comprehensive variety of layouts from branchline to mainline, a very usefull addition. My god that sound brings back so many memories!

[@jmi5969]

75 ton on the mainline?! Sounds amazing. The smallest switchers allowed on the mainline in my country are 120 ton. The smallest passenger locos start at the same 120 ton, although most of these midgets had already been retired.

[@bnbantics]

I feel bad for whoever ordered the DCC & sound model and received the DC one!

[@LUNITUNZBackup]

Now imagine he watches this video, after getting his incorrect model.

[@pettra1]

Take it back to where it was bought from.

[@bentullett6068]

Probably they will have a argument with the supplier and then watch Sam's trains and be shocked.

[@stevekovoc3939]

This is the best mistake I've ever seen. For once, it's actually a good mistake.

[@mattchandler2380]

I bought a DCC sound Bachmann climax and I’m running it on analog and the sound works and the loco runs well

[@tlowthion4]

Another great review! I was actually wondering: where you say "It's Bachmann so the finish is good" but also "It's Bachmann so it's expensive"- raises a point, why don't you do a video comparing different manufacturers against one another (based on your opinion/reviews) - I'm getting into the hobby (and so the reviews are a huge help) but something like this would be really great, comparing the different companies and maybe also their different ranges saying the pros and cons of each? When I'm looking at similar models choosing which one to go for, knowing what to expect from different manufacturers would be very helpful for me. Please re-direct me if you've already produced such a video.... I wouldn't be surprised!

[@hoagy_ytfc]

re: Internal detail - maybe the internals are shared with another model that has side windows?

[@class158productions]

Bachmann has a 25 in development…

[@leroyholm9075]

Dear Sam: Introduced in 1958 there were 300 of the first 24/25s numbered D5000-D5299 and according to my records I saw 288 of them.

[@highbrookendmodelrailway]

Great model there, looks overall really good quality stuff. I can't help but love the BR Green with or without Grey roofs on diesel locos, it just looks so smart! Could we maybe see a video on retro-fitting a little motor into one of the diesels you have (whether it's the Hornby Class 56, this one, etc.) I'd be interested to see the process, and also the end result in terms of noise / realism. Cheers! 👍

[@davidbugler4597]

12.44 The white 'wires or pipes' on the bogies are air lines to the sandboxes. Pretty much all BR diesels had these picked out in white when new, except when builders got funky and went for aluminium-painted bogies. Needless to say, the nice clean crisp white finish didn't last long in service, in most photos they have disappeared under the track dirt and brake dust.

[@SamsTrains]

Duly noted David - thanks for the info! Be interesting to see how those would look on a weathered model! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Crotchr0ckit]

Bachmans new class 47 that’s releasing in a few months has motorised working fans internal engine details with internal lighting in the engine bay to see it so it’s possible they may retrofit or add additions in the future. The internal engine details may also be there to offer modellers the chance to remove the engine grills if for instance they want to make a depot setting with body wall panels removed

[@Simon-Davis]

Just for a bit of fun and perspective, have a quick look on RMweb (I know you don't like to get involved there, but its worth it just to see the visual comparison) at the Bachmann class 24/0 thread on page 10 and 11. There are side by side photos of this model (but the class 24/0 version) and a SLW headcodeless class 24/1 as per your review which show just how toy-like the Bachmann model still really is compared with what is probably the very best RTR British model currently on the market. Don't get me wrong, I think the new Bachmann class 24/0, /1 and headcode /1 is a very good model indeed and worth the asking price, but when its sat next to the best you can see just how much more improvement Bachmann could make...especially as the rrp of both models are only £5ish apart.

[@timbervalleyproductions]

Loving the DCC sound here!

[@JazeMaximusFilms]

Hi Sam I really enjoy your videos and I'm just starting on model railway so I'm looking forward to new videos!

[@svsmodelling2857]

I have just reached 100 subs Sam! And it’s my birthday on the 16th and have asked for some of your merch, specifically the gadwall t-shirt. All the best, Oliver :)

[@Simon-Davis]

The chassis block detail is there because the forthcoming Bachmann class 25/2 has side windows and the class 24 and 25 family uses the same chassis. With that in mind it makes perfect sense for it to be present on this model even if you can't see it, and gives us a good clear message as to the quality of mechanism to expect in the Rats. Also that sound decoder, its either a Zimo or Loksound V5, either of which is a £115+ decoder if bought separately, so for £100 extra pre-fitted to the model its a bit of a bargain.

[@SamsTrains]

Very interesting Simon - though I thought those windows were absolutely tiny... crazy overkill to have detailed the whole length of the interior just for that, but no complaints of course! If true, then yes the Rat mech will be amazing too! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@lukeslocomotives]

Hi Sam, just bought two locos today, one is a hornby triang Mallard in br green and the other it the old hornby triang duck model. It had its face, top of its chimney removed and painted black. I think I may restore it in it's late br condition, with chimney restored and a Smokebox door, and a paddington station shed plate (this is where duck lived before coming to the island of sodor) and number 5741 (ducks old/rws number)

[@SamsTrains]

Ooh sounds like a great project Luke - have fun with it! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@williamsquires3070]

One problem: the coupler on the end of the loco furthest from the fan (on top) seems to be a bit droopy. I don’t know if they make a coupler height gauge for NEM-style couplers or not, but I’d be willing to bet that one wouldn’t pass the test. The other one seems to be just fine. Maybe it’s just the camera angle.

[@stuartaaron613]

Sam, I find that while I like crew they do cause two problems. One is that if you only have a crew in one cab then when the locomotive runs in the other direction then the crew are in the wrong cab, but if you have crew in both cabs, then you have extra personnel that you don't need. The other problem is if you run multiple diesels (as in the USA) then you again have extra crew going for a ride.

[@davidstrains4910]

Looks very nice in that BR green which is coming from a person who prefers BR blue on diesels, being a bachmann diesel it is a great model as all of bachmanns diesels are and I would pay the amount that they want to sell these for because their diesels are very good from my experience.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah I agree - though any livery looks good when Bachmann do them these days! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@nameless5413]

When d-rails sells stuff cheaper and cares more about the sold item than the Bachmann. Well that took pleasant turn, good on Sam for the surprise chipping and sound gifts. Indeed i did enjoy it, as stated this is pretty much singular occurrence.

[@skuula]

That packaging reminds me how I received a Roco "Ludmilla" diesel in the mail from a dealer here in Switzerland.. because the model box wasn't prevented from sliding back and forth in the packaging, the more than 575g (!) H0 model was busted when I got it.. had it replaced without issue though. That 6 axle drive monster can pull anything else backwards down the track in a tug of war.

[@Poliss95]

Sam. Buy a Fleischmann/Roco Z21, then you'll get full functionality and ease of use. You could use the Hornby DCC controllers as a doorstop after adding lots of weight to them. Are you sure DC wasn't turned off in CV29?

[@jeremyhyman5056]

Z21 rocks. I use it to control trains, pointwork and signals. Fourth or fifth DCC I've had and easily the best.

[@rolandharmer6402]

Great review, lovely model. The sound is so good - it adds a great deal to the realism to the loco. One for my virtual railway!

[@williamsquires3070]

I’ll bet this was probably made by the same division of Bachmann that make the “Spectrum” line for the U.S/Canada market. 😍 Great mechanism.

[@brianmicky7596]

Hi Sam, Gobsmacked, It looks really good, why can't they make things as good as this all the time, love the sound, fell on your feet with this one , All the Best Brian 🤗😎

[@robhill4566]

Point on the Decoder. As already mentioned it looks to be fitted with an ESU Lok sound decoder which is a top quality decoder. These retail around £60 and that is without the sound file. Add in the cost of a sound file you're going to be near to the £100 mark.

[@SamsTrains]

Oh you're right - £100 *is* the going rate... but when you consider that you can buy an actual computer for that price or less, the decoders are crazy expensive!! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@MonopodMan]

You might as well keep the model you've got, Sam. It's just too good to swap for a non-sound model

[@Mariazellerbahn]

Bachmann's original Class 24 / 25 looked plenty good enough to me. Then along came Sutton Locomotive Works and Heljan with their examples. Now Bachmann have retooled. Is it really so difficult to get a model of a square box right first time? I'll be sticking with my original Bachmann versions.

[@rockingtherails1261]

What a great loco. I am actually thinking about buying a DCC sound 24. Incredible video I loved your reaction when you found out it had sound

[@SamsTrains]

Thank you! Yeah can totally recommend this - it's a great product overall! Thanks for watching - Sam :)

[@gs425]

Just to say hornby have fitted working fans in many locos. I have a class 50 with one, and I believe the 56 has 2. Maybe more have working fans too.

[@rollergrill]

Elastic band powered, slowing the whole loco down if not in perfect running order. Bachmann new £340 cl47 has both fans powered by their own electric motors. But charge about £30 extra from the standard sound version for this feature.

[@KS-oc4hu]

Electrotren locos (Hornbys Spanish Brand) have working fans, work perfectly

[@rollergrill]

The same thing happened to me, I purchased a new Heljan cl33 from Howes for £55 in one of their sales in 1998. Great shock when I put in on a dc layout and it burst into life with sound. Esu v4.

[@MachRacer4]

How did you get the body shell off the chassis? I took out the six screws mentioned in the instructions but the body shell won’t come off, as though it was glued on or there is something I didn’t remove. Any advice?

[@ciaranburke3243]

Great review sam, overall it's lovely nice added bonus, Bachmann would have a cheek to ask it back sort out the sound and do another video on it 👍

[@Teesbrough]

A very fortuitous mix-up, especially now Bachmann have announced ‘DCC Sound Deluxe’ Class 47s with working fans at £370 full RRP. Your review gives an unexpected but useful comparison between DC and DCC, showing benefits of latter. Bachmann say their DCC Class 47 sounds and lights will work on DC too. Makes me wonder whether it might sometimes be worth paying more.

[@dathpo]

Great review, your mistake has convince me to seek the DCC version out. Thank you!

[@TERRYBARTLETTRAILMAN28]

Well Having a diesel with sound is fantastic especially a class 24 but if Bachmann do email you saying it was a mistake to send out the sound version maybe say to them I've test it out for you it works perfectly maybe the discount can be to keep it with the sound i order to play around with it for awhile

[@rabg7479]

This happened to me before too I ordered a bachmann class 47 in br blue and it came with a decoder fitted so I sent the model back to bachmann cause my layout is dc not dcc so it was basically useless and bachmann sent me the money back very friendly service so I reordered one and it came without the decoder VERY GOOD RUNNERS HIGHLY RECOMMENDED 👍

[@kenjimaurerfromdisneyland2001]

00:00:16 - The music reminds me of shapes. 🔴⚫️🔵▪️🔻🔸⚪️🔺◼️🔹⬛️🔷▫️🟪🟥🟠🟧🟡🟨🟢🟩🟣🟦🔶⬜️◻️◾️◽️

[@35o125]

Hattons listed this D5094 as class 24, not 24/1...which one is it?

[@alanhaynes4576]

Great video again Sam and happy you got such a pleasant surprise. When will Bachmann apply this same quality to their Steam locos? Thanks for doing this and what a fine loco.

[@EsotericArctos]

This is a really great loco. Looks like Bachmann really have done something great with this one. You definitely have a good one here. Not sure it makes up for all the dodgy Bachmann's you have, but it is a good step in the forward direction. Seriously though, I doubt Bachman will want it back. By the time they pay postage, it will be as much as giving the decoder anyway (from their side, not the ridiculous amount they charge us)

[@paulypyro]

Those handrails look huge and overscaled, surely they weren't that thick were they ?

[@mitchellhogg4627]

I don't remember them being made of plastic either🤔🤔

[@Themodelrailer]

Just goes to show bachmann can make a good model if their steamers were this good then would look at them completely differently great video as always and wow what a extra with the sound!

[@australianmodelrailway]

Seems to have Drive Hold which is a Loksound function.

[@mikehaufe6635]

Hi Sam, You mention problems with Railmaster. I have been using Railmaster for some years now and have never had a problem with it. I run almost 300 DCC fitted locomotives (Steam outline), operating accessories and signals. The locomotives comprise models both with and without sound. The decoders are from ESU and others. The locomotives are from the wide range of manufacturers. I have however, set up the system with care as I used to run Zero One long ago which was susceptible to poor assembly and layout. I also use a high end computer to run the software. In any case, keep up the good work.

[@Poliss95]

You should try the Roco Z21 and see the difference.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah - Railmaster is objectively very buggy and unreliable in my experience. Great that you've had a much better experience though! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@ivovanzon164]

Someone mixed up the labels for the sound and non-sound version. This one comes with a Zimo decoder with 3W audio power. Did you check if it comes with pcb mounted buffer capacitors?

[@funkyglider1216]

Just love your channel even that I'm not in the hobby like you. BUT just bought a Märklin 5750 in Spur 1 for a real bargain, dove just a couple of times an looks absolutely new.

[@andcrafter4790]

I like that sam says he's be fine with swapping it for one without acc but that the inconvenience of getting a better than expected product is worth the price difference

[@AtheistOrphan]

Dcc*

[@Crotchr0ckit]

Bachmann only use loksound v5 , so if this was a mistake, it was opened and installed by the shop not bachmann. I called bachmann to confirm this referencing this video, and they confirm it is not one of theirs. So I’m guessing the shop may have fitted this for another customer and forgot to label the box and gave it to Sam by mistake. So I bet there’s a very unhappy customer right there that’s got a DCCU ready model now instead.

[@daveclaridge8316]

I am in the later years of my life and I have had a lot of disappointments. When something goes my way for once, I take it in both hands and relish it. You should too.. I love your reviews and look forward to them. It's always been a bug under my skin that relivant Cabin/Footplate crews arn't supplied as standard, either fixed or put in the accessory bag. What do you think.👍🏻🤔.

[@denodon123]

What a fabulous looking model this appears to be, if expensive. Or at least, expensive compared to most British models. My local Australian prototypes are far more but I imagine a lot of that is down to smaller production runs. Very tempted to pick up one of these even though the only other British train I have is a Hornby train pack with an A4 and some gorgeous Pullman coaches. Not sure what something like this would sensibly haul however.

[@wolf-dogs1993]

Someone showed up to work very tired and was put on packing duty and fell asleep when this one came throng and woke up and did not hear it was sound equipted and put the one that had no grils on

[@Bender13]

Looks like you’ve got a top of the line loksound decoder! Good for you. I would be taking this to the bench and cutting out the vents to allow viewing of the internals. Maybe cover the holes with more realistic screens. But, that’s just me. Great loco though.

[@kenjimaurerfromdisneyland2001]

00:00:15 - I like the shapes. 00:00:23 - I saw squares, triangles, and rectangles.

[@SamsTrains]

Well spotted Kenji! :D

[@kenjimaurerfromdisneyland2001]

@@SamsTrains I think I’m not used to playing shapes.

[@LKBRICKS1993]

Great video Sam. I agree about the grills & the no crew.

[@AtheistOrphan]

Grilles*

[@paulisnotonfire]

If I could afford it at the minute, I'd be quite convinced to go for the R&D red and blue version. I really like the look of that one.

[@sharkymcsharknose2979]

The decoder looks like it is made by Zimo. A Google search makes me think it is their MX644C model. I don't have experience with Zimo, but they are supposed to be top notch! I am not aware of them being an OEM supplier so I suspect this was chipped at Derails. The easiest way to tell who made your decoder is to use your DCC controller to read CV8, then check the NMRA's decoder manufacturer ID list. Zimo is 145. In any case, nice score on the sound chip! It's good to see and hear it in a decent loco given the recent string of stinkers. I don't think I've ever received a new loco with a bonus sound chip. I think I once got one with silent DCC that I wasn't expecting.

[@Rick2659]

Try F2 they usually put a braking function on there

[@PhilipBallGarry]

Bootiful! 😁👍 The unexpected sound chip? Serendipity 🙏

[@daveholloway4236]

Talking of working fans, bachmann's newly anounced new tooled class 47 dcc delux models will have working fans, but with a rrp of £369.95...

[@The_Solartiger]

Did you not notice? It says 21 DCC on the end of the box right next to the barcode? Now there’s a hint. I’m surprised no one spotted that.

[@SamsTrains]

Nope - every loco box has that - it tells you which decoder you need!

[@little_britain]

Is it possible those driver's door side handrails are plastic protectors over the real thing?

[@Hooterton_Model_Railway]

I've just seen on the bachmann website they are releasing Class 47's with working roof fans!

[@toboldlygosmodelworks1973]

You got a real bargain there with the sound chip fitted @Sam'sTrains. However with all that detail on the chassis block, why weren't the body side grills photo-etch? Plus why do Bachmann insist on fitting coloured plastic parts (Cab handrails) - they cheapen the look of the loco. Plus the hazing from the CA wouldn't be an issue if the factory had not boxed up the loco straight away - as CA off gasses (handy for fingerprints and incriminating people lol)

[@Jimyjames73]

Very similar to my old Airfix A1A - A1A No. D5531 - mine has 12 wheels (x6 on each bogie) Don't complain Sam - You got more than your money worth + a Bonus of the 'Free DCC Chip thingy!!! 😉🚂🚂🚂

[@MisterHampshire]

I'm wondering if the hidden internal detail was part of a plan to be seen through etched grilles, but that Bachmann thought that costs were getting out of hand to produce and fit them? It could be that they have plans to included etched grilles at a later date, when the detail of course is already there and saving on tooling costs. Sulzer, by the way, I am pretty sure is pronounced with a quick 'tz' sound, 'Sultzer' rather than 'Sulzzer'

[@davidashworth5740]

You should check out the Sutton Locomotive Works model, it beats bachmann's in detail and quality easily!

[@SamsTrains]

Does it?! I didn't think it'd been released yet? Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Simon-Davis]

@@SamsTrains Suttons class 24 has been around for 5 years, its their class 25 which is the new model. Unfortunately they are currently sold out of class 24s as well, but there are more coming as they announced a new batch this week to those of us on the mailing list for the Scottish headcode class 24 and class 25 updates. And yes, their class 24 is currently regarded as the very best British model so far released. To see this new Bachmann model next to a SLW class 24, the Bachmann model falls back a peg or two even though it is very good itself.

[@davidashworth5740]

​@@SamsTrains first versions came out in 2015, the latest ones are a little delayed in the manufacturing queue, check their website for details on ordering and also rmweb as they post in the class 24 thread yesterday on project updates. also check out Class47Peter video "The Best Model That I Own! | Sutton's Locomotive Workshop Class 24 | Unboxing and Review" because I can say even the 2015 I have is better than the current bachmann model and the latest SLW are producing have again improved!

[@robloxracingunited]

The Sky is Blue, Grass is Green, Sam has a new train to showcase to me. Well more like everyone

[@MachRacer4]

I ordered one from Rails of Sheffield and they tested it before they charged me for it, so it makes me wonder if they found out about this happening, not to you specifically but in general.

[@mattjackson8226]

Hi Sam, Great review bonus getting the DCCsound. The function 2 you have sounds to me like the drive lock function which Bachmann use their diesels. When the function is activated the speed of the loco can't be changed. It's designed to allow the engine sounds to be controlled seperately to the motor speed. So if the loco was hauling a large load and you wanted the loco to rev up while the speed is low. Also would you consider reviewing the new bachmann class 47 when it's arrived sounds like a great model but super expensive?

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot Matt - ahh that's very interesting - thanks for sharing - that does seem right actually! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@kenjimaurerfromdisneyland2001]

@@SamsTrains 00:00:15 - The music reminds me of shapes: ◽️🟦🟡🟪⬛️🔻◾️🟣🟧⚪️🔹🔴⬜️🟩🟠🟤🔺▪️◻️🟢🟥▫️🔵🔸🔶🟨🟫🔷◼️⚫️

[@miloseal25]

Hi sam I bought the hornby platform shelter platform I was wondering how do I fit it to the platform

[@johnbirkin89WS]

This was a great surprise to me, as it is now a rival for the Sutton's (SLW) models, which I thought were "state of the art". Bachmann seem almost to be mimicking SLW with an attempt at a similar quality and sound.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah I've heard those are going to be good too - though as these are cheaper and still excellent, I imagine these will be the popular choice! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Damien.D]

I love the attention to details. The engine cylinder head and exhaust is completely recognizable behind these *not* etched grills. ^^'

[@cbrooks122000]

Thanks Sam good review, I might even be tempted to buy a sound one. I add the odd sound to some of my locos using Zimo, which costs £99 plus the price of a speaker, so have it fully fitted for he same price, to me is good value. Loksound is generally more expensive than Zimo, so actually the sound option is good value. Rails at the moment are doing the sound one for about £90 more.

[@BoaFilmsPlc]

Sam, I must disagree with the statement about DCC Sound. An ESU Lok Sound V5 or Zimo sound decoders are about £100 each and sometimes you have to pay extra for the sound files plus a speaker. So to sound fit a loco is normally between £110 - £130, plus the faff of having to install it etc. So, in effect, by buying it sound fitted you are actually getting the model cheaper than doing it yourself in this case. Otherwise, well done you for snagging a bargain like that!

[@RobA500]

I’m afraid that still doesn’t justify the price difference, all it means is that the decoders are a complete rip off. Electronics are dirt cheap to make, you can for instance get a fully working 4K video capable computer with high quality sound for £40 and they are still making a profit on that.

[@BoaFilmsPlc]

@@RobA500 That may be, but nearly all good quality sound decoders are around the £100 mark plus speakers in most cases. Sound decoders have much more circuitry on them plus, you have the cost of a Sound Engineer recording the actual locomotive (if possible) then editing the sounds. That all adds to the costs. Don't forget, when DCC was first introduced. non sound motor only decoders were horrendously expensive too.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah exactly - I wasn't suggesting that £100 was untypical for a DCC sound decoder but rather, as Rob says, pretty unreasonable given what they actually are! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@TomScrut]

@@RobA500 the size of the market and the cost of the R&D is massively relevant here. DCC decoders aren't exactly sold in huge quantities, consumer electronics are. It's not just a case of saying "The chips don't cost much to make", they won't, but they don't design and program themselves.

[@lapiswake6583]

Interesting that the box says its a 24/1 with headcode boxes (as per D5114/24114 upwards), yet the model is clearly a 24/1 without headcode boxes (as per D5050/24050 to D5113/24113). (I don't know the visual differences between the /0s and the /1s with discs tbh.) It looks quite a bit more refined than my older bachmann 24077 in BR blue, but I'll stick to getting a 2nd old tooled model for now. The can door handrails are certainly an improvement, but their colour seems off (probably should be painted silver instead of moulded grey), and them being metal would've made the price more worth it (and the same goes for the windscreen wipers). I do like the OLEO printing on the buffer housings, and the centre dent/hole in the buffers, and the holes moulded into the wheels. Those skewed gears should give fantastic performance. It is possible that they're doing the 25s using the same basic chassis block, and the /2s and /3s have windows down the side instead of grilles so that detail would be visible. Since I'm DCC only (usually) in 00, I always set plain DCC chips' accelerations to either 0 or up to about 10, and deceleration to 0 so i can immediately stop stuff. However, I don't mess with CVs on DCC sound locos. So my M7 can be a nightmare to stop where I want it to, as can my 37s 402 and 409. Sound pricing, £100 per chip seems to be standard and has been for many years. We have to be thankful that the pricing for the ESU loksound v5 (as this probably is) is barely more than the ESU loksound v3.5 was when it came out (which you can now get for around £50 in theory, 2nd hand of course). I'm looking forward to the Accurascale Deltics, specifically D9009 which I have preordered with sound and D9016 I have preordered as DCC ready. Tbh sounds like you need to upgrade DCC controllers. I think the NCE powercab would suit you. I use the gaugemaster prodigy advance 2, which is a fantastic system except f2 is non-latching. I'd love to see a review on the bachmann 47s, now they've announced new ones (and I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the pricing: £240 DCC ready, £340 DCC sound, £370 DCC sound deluxe)

[@Simon-Davis]

The most obvious difference in the indicator disc variants is with the water tanks. The /0 water tank is much taller and extends up into the skirting the same as the fuel tank at the other end, the /1 water tanks are notably lower. The /0 and /1 also have very different steam heat boilers in order to save weight, but the external visual differences are more subtle, on the /0 the pressure valves are closer to the cab so the cutout in the roof is further forward over the boiler grille while on the /1 the cutout is at the other end of the boiler grille closer to the water filler hatch. I believe there is also differences in the exhausts with one being much more raspy than the other due to differences in the silencer arrangement though I can't remember if this equates to a significant visual change.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks for sharing folks - appreciate this extra info! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@TANGARASandOSCARS]

Odd one out: Class 20 for single cab? Or Metropolitan Bo-Bo for being non-BR?

[@mikeking2539]

I am waitingfor the Re-tooled class 25, I do have one of the earler 25s in BR Green with the small yellow warning pannel. And dispite its age (and no working lights) still runs great,. I also have a slightly more upto date ish one in BR blue sound fitted with working lights, This one been second hand and at a good price for sound fitted.

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah that should be fantastic - my older class 25 is superb too... though maybe they can improve it with more modern features! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@heavywithdrip3458]

Question do you have Lionel trains, bc I saw a Union Pacific big boy Lionel train

[@bluepretsels]

As ussual very nice video Sam. I am getting my first train tomorrow.😎

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot JJ - that's awesome news - hope you enjoy it! Which one are you getting? :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@bluepretsels]

Thanks it's a hornby 0-4-0

[@pettra1]

Hi Sam. Have just looked on the Bachmann website and the DCC Sound Fitted version is No. 32-443SF, not the No. 32-443 as stated on your model box. So it would appear that, in view of what is inside the loco body, all the bells and whistles etc, that you have the DCC Fitted model, as far as I can tell. You might be getting a phone call from Bachmann then! Lol. Nice runner though, would be good to know what motor is fitted. I suspect that the price for the sound fitted model will be more expensive too. Best, Pete.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot for the info Pete -yes I think you're right! I'll let you know what happens! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@ryanross3640]

Hi sam, I was wondering if standard hornby track, like the ones that come in train sets, work with dcc. Thanks!

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah they absolutely do Ryan! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@ryanross3640]

@@SamsTrains I love your channel! Best model RR channel around. I just want to make sure before I buy Hornby DCC controller that my flying Scotsman set track works with DCC, don’t have any other track. Thanks so much!

[@michaelwhiles5282]

Did Bachmann ever get in touch ? Have you still got the ‘ full fat’ version ?

[@SamsTrains]

Yep - still got the sound fitted one xD Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@roberthill6216]

Can you do the new bachmann class 47, when it gets released? Bachmann announced it the other day.

[@leroyholm9075]

Excellent Review as ever. Thank you.

[@kenjimaurerfromdisneyland2001]

00:00:15 - I love the shapes music.

[@bentullett6068]

I was watching Bachmanns autumn preview the other day and they are producing some more of these and the new class 47 which looks a great model. Someone at the factory must not have concentrated when packing the model up and picked up a DCC fitted loco instead of a non DCC loco, oops.