Samsung S95C vs LG C1: 60 BFI Motion and brightness comparison

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

To understand Motion Clarity: The Blur Busters Law: blurbusters.com/blur-busters-law-amazing-journey-to-future-1000hz-displays-with-blurfree-sample-and-hold/ 1 millisecond(ms) of persistence is equal to 1 pixel of motion blur when moving at 1000 pixels per second (Blur Busters Law) A 960Hz OLLED (closely follows the Blur Busters Law due to ideal GtG for the refresh rate) would look perfectly clear at 960 pixels per second (ufo test), which means 1 pixel of motion blur (considered perfect at a normal viewing distance). 60 Hz is a frequency of 60 per second. Each second the display can refresh 60 frames. 1/60×1000~16.67ms 1/100x1000=10ms 1/120×1000~8.33ms 1/240x1000~4.17ms 1/480x1000~2.08ms (I said this wrong in the video) The LG C1 reduces the persistence ~33-38% when using OLED Motion pro high (based on my testing), and it works at 50, 60, 100, 120fps/Hz. 60fps/Hz OLED motion pro high 38% of 16.67ms is 38x16.67/100=6.33ms 100fps/Hz OLED motion pro high 38% of 10ms is 38x10/100=3.8ms 120fps/Hz OLED motion pro high 38% of 8.33ms Is 38x8.33/100=3.17ms The best motion clarity the C1 achieves is 3 pixels of motion blur when moving at 1000 pixels per second

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I said this wrong in the video: 480Hz OLEDS have 2ms of persistence and are better than the 3.2ms of the C1 at 120 OLED Motion Pro High

[@CarnivoryHODL]

While true, we’re talking 1440p & even the highest end cards can’t do this reliably

[@Accuaro]

@@CarnivoryHODL You can easily do it in OW, Valorant and CS2. EDIT: Yeah outside of esports games it's difficult, but at least now you won't have to limit FPS to use FG unless you're over 240fps.

[@elfferich1212]

@@Accuarobut even those games have dips below that.

[@astreakaito5625]

I agree with you about the C1's flicker, it's different for everyone but for me it's been easy to adapt at 60hz, and after 100hz it is gone completely, it just doesn't flicker. And I'm equally disappointed about the nerf to oled motion pro on the C2/C3/C4. I still hope LG goes back on their decision.. otherwise I'll simply never upgrade from the C1. I use 120hz oled motion pro all the time! It's even better these days with strong CPUs, framegen, software BFI solutions are being developed, etc

[@1UpWorld]

At this point, The LG C1 deserves a spot in the TV hall of fame lol

[@unknownsource4359]

The C1 and the Sony A80J especially the 77” variant both from 2021 are hall of famers.

[@unknownsource4359]

The C1 and Sony A80J 77” variant are hall of famers.

[@ThoroughGamer.]

Actually the true legend of them all is the one and only LG CX/GX - it produces the same motion clarity as c1 at 120fps even at 60fps. So in essence it turns 60 fps into a completely blur-free image. It’s that good.

[@CarnivoryHODL]

Excited for your Game Motion Plus settings in the future! Especially high demand games on PC/Console!

[@KristophGavinSolitaryCell13]

Interesting, I had no idea about all the little details regarding BFI not being created equal in their genuine quality. Happy to hear you say you'll give settings and still try to use it as best you can. Maybe when Hell freezes over, we can come back to a proper BFI implementation at 120hz. Super interested to hear about your testing and findings out! Thanks so much.

[@vishruthbosek6262]

I recently got a free panel swap on my 48C1, due to dead pixels on the edges. Guess what, I lost 120 hz BFI after the swap, even though the motherboard is unchanged. I'm guessing the new panel is from C4 production line. It says manufactured on Sept 2024 on the back of the panel. Seems to me that Tcon board post C1 can't do 120hz BFI. The 60 hz BFI still works fine and the Vrr flicker got much worse. So, take care of your C1, its more fragile than you think.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Wow, thanks for sharing that. You're right!

[@RandomUnassignedYTHandle]

Thank you indeed. I guess now we know.

[@Johnnyrebox]

Great breakdown. I get why they wouldn't bother with this feature 5+ years ago where console games were barely 60 frames, now almost any good multiplayer game has 120 support now. So silly they refuse to bring it back. I'm happy I was able to snatch one second hand.

[@davidrubec2759]

Ultra informative as always! Can't wait to see your tests on self emission causing lifted blacks. It seemed clearly there, at least on camera, with your in store s95c review. At say 7:11, there are seemingly very self lifted blacks. For instance, in the middle and right of the lower letterbox bar, the left side of the bar is much darker. At the same time, there is an image bright in the middle bottom and towards the right side of the screen. I wonder about localization and the threahold effect for visibility.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I'll make video for sure

[@CarnivoryHODL]

This is exactly what I was looking for. While the brightness is FAR superior on the S95C, the LG C1’s OLED Motion Pro on High is legendary, especially at higher FPS like 100 & 120hz. Why can’t Samsung implement a similar setting vs software BFI…? I cannot wait for you to try the 2K nits mod on the S95C. It’s INSANE on a 1% window & still quite high on a 10%.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

The brightness goes down more at 100 and 120 with OLED Motion Pro high vs 60. But it's amazing

[@kbrooks2267]

I'm keeping my lg c1 until dies

[@chrissoucy1997]

I tried Red Dead Redemption 1 last night at 120 HZ BFI on my C1 and its absolutely amazing. Pretty easy to run too. I can hold 4K 120 max settings DLAA with my RTX 3090 95% of the time. I might have to use DLSS Quality if I want some spare headroom to guarantee a locked 120 no matter what goes on in the game. Wouldn't have this problem with Gsync Pulsar where a drop to 105-110 fps wouldn't be noticed that much.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

It's truly amazing. Do you have the Pulsar monitor too?

[@chrissoucy1997]

@plasmatvforgaming9648 No, I don't have the Asus Gsync Pulsar 360 HZ LCD which is not released yet. I couldn't go back to an LCD just for Pulsar anyway.

[@UndisputedChampion-i6g]

All this is making me feel like I should just use my LG C2 for another 2 or 3 years, however long it last then see what new technology a LG C6 or C7 has then upgrade. In two or three years a lot can happen.

[@rodrigobasoaltoc.1743]

When you make this videos about motion clarity I get the temptation to go out and buy an used C1.

[@Hybred]

Get a G1. Its the same as a C1 but just brighter.

[@CarnivoryHODL]

I see one by me for, no lie, $499. 48in. Probably Evo panel. There’s deals to be had, just have to do your due diligence.

[@jamescampbell8482]

480 hz is 2ms of pixel persistence.If you want better motion out of your QD OLED you need a retrotink 5x or 4k (either will work. They support a software configurable BFi. the tradeoff off course is brightness, but the tink offers HDR boosted BFI.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Yes, I made that mistake. I don't believe that any external device can give you lower persistence than the maximum refresh rate. I asked the Blur Busters chief that question a long time ago, and he said no, it was not going to work

[@astreakaito5625]

Great video! Wouldn't clear motion add some input lag, however how slight? Also with the C1 you can just run 120hz, use the hardware BFI on high and then use software BFI to get x4 boost clarity at 60FPS. The C1 is GOAT and wins either way :)

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Yes, it does add input lag

[@jimpayne9488]

How about motion for 24fps movies? Which TVs bfi works better for that frame rate? And is Plasma better than both of them?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Plasma is the best for 24fps

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

BFI doesn't work for low FPS because FPS has to be equal Hz for flickering tech otherwise you get double triple, ect images

[@arthur78]

How are you connecting both TVs to your PC at the same time? I think the GPU only has one HDMI port. Are you using a DisplayPort to HDMI adapter? Does that cause any issues with HDMI 2.1 features?

[@DarkLionn83]

I have the Gx in my bedroom for movies 🎬. In my living room my S95c for gaming and movies I have in the basement my G2 stopped using it because of the S95c. What's your opinion about the G2?

[@adds-kz3oc]

Plasma, you should get a HDMI 2.1 splitter to showcase the same game running at the same time on the two TVs.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Yes

[@EverythingPS5Pro]

For the people who are considering using BFI. (If your playing with flick-stick instead of dragging your stick from side to side and your at a high sensitivity, BFI doesn’t help it just lowers brightness and flickers and makes latency less good)

[@Enihel]

So i wonder can lg c4 using all tricks and settings can be better picture wise or on the same level as samsung:)

[@EverythingPS5Pro]

@ LG C4 looks better then S90C atleast as far as I know from my testing, by QD-OLES is brighter full screen in most bright scenes and colour volume ”brightness” is boosted somewhat over C4, but most content looks about the same after calibration and LG has a way cleaner interface and the user experience is better. Samsung might have the better panel tech for brightness but there tv is nothing compared to an LG.

[@Stoddardian]

What about my C2? Does it use suboptimal BFI too?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

C2, C3, C4 (G) are doing the same as all OLEDs after 2021 120bfi

[@refuze4k]

2:05 The NPC walking throught the car lmao!

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

😂

[@viktorjenkins8079]

On my C2 true motion looks better than oled motion because it doesn't flicker.... yes you lose a little bit of latency because you can't be in game mode... but you get to keep all the brightness it's a no brainer

[@uhMaxx]

are you going to make a video on motion without bfi? do you notice less fluid motion while gaming? what about watching movies? alot of people are saying that motion on samsung is unbearable and that they use the settings to make it less jarring but doesnt that induce soap effect though? i can watch the LG without any motion interpolation settings happily

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Without processing, all OLEDS have the same sample and hold motion limited by the refresh rate and FPS

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

The motion interpolation is very good on this S95C, I'll compare it with the C1. For gaming, Game Motion Plus works very well. I was actually watching some movie content with Game Motion Plus, and it was good. Outside of Game mode, the interpolation is supposed to be better, but I haven't tried it yet

[@hannibalthe1st565]

Can u make a vid on movie differences between the two tvs

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I'll see what I can do as movies get copyright, and then after the effort, I can't even release the video

[@SchoolOfWolf233]

Hey plasma have you ever had a LED tv for console gaming? In my situation I can't upgrade I confess and I haven't really been happy with the tv. Constantly playing around with the settings and can't find that sweet spot if you get what I'm saying. I was wondering if you have any good tips or advice about Samsung LED TVs. Would really appreciate it. If not that's okay I'm just reaching out and haven't been doing all that well as of lately.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I'd recommend you to get a cheap Plasma TV, I paid 25usd for my first Panasonic TCP42S1 and it was so amazing that it was the reason why I open this channel. Plasmas are the ultimate budget TV.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I tried this Sony LCD and it was amazing kzbin.info/www/bejne/hGfXeKWKrLCNppY

[@SchoolOfWolf233]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 It does look good Plasma, but I have a Samsung and the color at default is 25. Reference color using the blue only filter is 19 but looks dull not very colorful. What would your recommendation be? Since the settings is pretty similar to your QOLED Samsung.

[@Jerry-ik9jk]

I want to know how good (or bad) the motion interpolation is compared to lg in 23.976hz mode when watch movies. And text clarity on pc? How bad is it?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Motion interpolation is the only way to eliminate stuttering of low fps content. At 24 or 30fps you get stuttering, and stuttering becomes motion blur when increasing the FPS

[@deama15]

I'm guessing the Samsung doesn't support 120 BFI?

[@powerzdave]

the judder, there is flicker when i turn on and put it to 10 looks worse s90c

[@jp0213x]

Why does the spider man game look more red on the top tv?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

It's the way my camera captures the different technologies. Only my Plasmas look perfect on camera when it comes to this

[@jp0213x]

The bottom set looks more natural for the spiderman game.

[@uusrikas]

It would be interesting if somehow s95c bfi increased from service menu to 120 or something like that . probably impossible

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

The TV would need to have 240Hz

[@uusrikas]

@plasmatvforgaming9648 it might have s90d mine has 260hz

[@brunogm]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 try a custom resolution +hz -res but maintain max pixelClock;

[@ps54kgaming48]

Lg c1 is good tv but it’s not better than s95c period

[@RandomUnassignedYTHandle]

Ideally you'd have both like the host of this channel has. If the s95c had the polarizer and the motion clarity of the C1, it's big for my desk, but I'd make it work. That's as a computer monitor though. For a TV and If I were to go with OLED, I suppose it would be a QD-OLED. (Though I think I'm addicted to projectors at this point for television...)

[@GenX_in_the_wild]

😮

[@PieceofBleep]

👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽

[@drongorius]

Bro I used the bfi couple of times and it look nothing like 158 games . Where you took this numbers perception ? BFI clears the motion a little bit but it’s not 150 frames perception , not only for my eyes but for everyone I showed the feature .

[@paQ75]

It does not mean that you see the scenes with the SMOOTHNESS of 158fps but rather the CLARITY that you would get in a sample and hold panel like these OLED at 158fps. If you play at 120fps on the LG C1, in addition to the smoothness of 120fps, when you activate BFI High you get the MOTION CLARITY as if you were playing at 312fps. It's a little difficult to understand the concepts, but in summary it could be said that by activating BFI you eliminate part of the blur effect that these panels produce in motion at low framerates (but you don't improve the smoothness).

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

If you have a C1 change the refresh rate to 60Hz use OLED Motion Pro high and open the UFO test,.change the speed to 240 pixels per second,.look at the alien eyes, then turn off OLED Motion Pro change to 120Hz and try again 240 pixels per second, you'll see that the 60 OLED Motion Pro high looks better

[@realgorn1622]

The UFO test also has examples of how it would look like in games too. I reccommend checking that too and also change up the speeds (pixel/sec). You'll prob see that at higher speed things will still look sharp and a lot less so when not using bfi.

[@drongorius]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 I will give it a try . It’s just every time I used bfi especially for 30frame games , it didn’t do justice for me because if the flashing and the motion was also still not even close to at least 60 . Because as we know , less for 30 frame games are horrendous .