Samsung TV's biggest selling point: Game Motion Plus. Double your FPS in Game Mode (tested on S95C)

[@shanroxalot5354]

Im confused why are you using lsfg at 60hz? Shouldnt it be at 120hz with the game capped at 60?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

You're right! I missed that! I'm going to pin this comment

[@donatboy]

I think you are the first one to actually talk about this feature in depth. Thanks a lot, this makes buying a TV much easier.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

FOMO did a great video today about the topic. I will cover it more deeply once I spend more time with the TV

[@GenX_in_the_wild]

Great to see you so happy and excited..

[@gangs0846]

Game Motion Plus on fixed 60fps is brillant. So clean motion for example Ghost of Tsushima. It is not only for 30 fps. It improves Motion Blur on 60

[@Animal_lives_matter]

I think it will have more artefacts at 30fps because objects travel greater distance on screen between frames so it has to make bigger guesses

[@neronotnero]

Your channel is amazing buddy!!!

[@juanrubio6132]

I used it for my PS3. And it's good. Works wonderful on my S95b.

[@AnANas00-x3p]

It's good enough and it's Free, TV's had it for years.

[@beammeupscottsp7952]

Exactly most gamers have consoles and this feature works and you keep your HDR highlights without using bfi 😂

[@AnANas00-x3p]

@@beammeupscottsp7952 don't know about that most gamers are on consoles, but it's most likely used for consoles, cuz they are stuck with crappy 30fps. I have to admit I played through whole RDR2 with it 🤷‍♂️

[@beammeupscottsp7952]

@@AnANas00-x3p gotta do some research, it's an overwhelming amount are on consoles. PlayStation 5 hits 60 fps, this feature turns it into 120. Switch games turns it close 60 fps without bfi, this is why Samsung plus qd-oled is molly whopping LG in tv sales, can't deny facts 😂

[@my_name_is_atma]

Thanks for bring this to my attention, I was lost on how to properly utilize this feature!

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

HDMI Console, Picture Game Mode, Console or PC output to 60Hz

[@PenPineappleApplePen007]

Lol, that laugh and breathing in the intro is so funny 🤣

[@Madwhitedog]

taking in a big breath at the beginning of your videos is your signature. it's great and you should make a montage of it sometime :)

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

😁

[@CarnivoryHODL]

Honestly, this is all I need vs 120hz BFI. Maintains insane brightness while making games like GTA VI double in frame rate. Great for high fidelity single player & console gaming. I’m sold.

[@beammeupscottsp7952]

@@CarnivoryHODL yeah this TV is literally made for console gaming, free frames with minimal lag and no hit to HDR brightness, let's goooo 😂

[@l.r.7505]

Got my eye on that s90d tbh with you man. I love my 42' lgc2 but Jesus christ that s90d is calling me😂

[@garyvojtek1907]

I love mine so far!

[@beammeupscottsp7952]

Same bro! S90d is going to be next tv, game motion plus with console is a game changer!

[@androsforever500]

Got an S90C coming from LG CX and it's an insane upgrade, especially after doing the peak brightness mod

[@beammeupscottsp7952]

@@androsforever500 damnnnn post a vid brah

[@rasa4512]

Just be careful with the panel lottery. You could even get stuck with a WOLED which wouldn't be any better than your c2

[@corzabourne2101]

you can tell the video is going to be good by the first breath he makes

[@Accuaro]

I use AFMF 2 (limited to AMD GPUs) since it works in pretty much any game, works with both exclusive full-screen and borderless, and has compatibility with hardware monitoring statistics such as RTSS (also works in HDR + adaptive sync). It was recently updated and it's IMO it's better than Lossless Scaling for a couple of reasons. Lower in latency and performance cost is lower. Lossless scaling is better slightly in interpolated frames (as it's trained on an AI) but again, the higher performance cost. It does allow you to have 2x and more frame gen though. But yeah, honestly AFMF 2 is close enough (not in all games) to natively integrated FSR frame gen (and sometimes better as devs sometimes don't do a good job with implementation) where I just default to it on since I play at 4k 240hz. Hopefully Nvidia has something similar because people are sleeping on it.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Interesting, thanks for sharing 👍

[@astreakaito5625]

LSFG is way better than AFMF

[@deus_nsf]

Yeah, chances are Nvidia keeping the feature for the RTX 5000 release, let's hope not exclusive...

[@Accuaro]

@@astreakaito5625 Lol, you have nothing to offer but an opinion. I already said why AFMF is better, and how Lossless Scaling FG is better in but 1 regard and that's FG quality (and 2x + FG, but it's arguably worse than good). In motion, to your eyes they're about the same and yes I can use both to compare.

[@Accuaro]

@@deus_nsf Hope not, but knowing Nvidia then I'm not holding my breath.

[@RandomUnassignedYTHandle]

Ariel I wasn't defending LG Display's decision to remove OLED Motion Pro. Was just indicating I understood it more. After recently hearing, I think, that they're struggling with profitability. Anyway, thank you for all of your help Sir.

[@beammeupscottsp7952]

@@RandomUnassignedYTHandle yes Samsung is Molly whopping LG in sales right now and especially after Samsung released their own oled.

[@MrKeech666]

I am legitimately happy for you. You bought an amazing TV. Ya, Tizen OS sucks, but IMO that’s the TV’s only negative. Everything else is simply amazing!

[@DKNmobile90]

On Samsung TVs in the past it was easy: for 60 FPS games it was 10 Blur and 0 Judder. So you get a 120 FPS look with less artifacts. And for 30 FPS 0 Blur and 10 Judder. Make sure you use a mode with a 30 or 60 fps cap. The more stable the fps the better it will look. So look for external device settings in game mode. Also sharpness at 0 helps. Only for PC it needs sharpness 10 and Contrast 50 for true 4:4:4!

[@DKNmobile90]

Also with the game mode of pc it needs sharpness 10 and Contrast 50, because the PC is talking to the TV fully. So if you want it like on consoles, change the icon to console. So you will get it also more accurate with AVS settings and so on. Otherwise you would need a colorimeter to create an icc profile with display cal for example. Btw. Depending on the 30 fps game sometimes a lower value than 10 works better on judder. But for 60 fps it was always good with blur 10, if it was stable. For Internet browser: search for "about flags " and force srgb colors! Chrome for example.

[@DKNmobile90]

Don't know why my comment was deleted. But you could also change the icon to console on for pc, so you can get it more accurate. Because even with pc game mode you would need sharpness 10 and Contrast at 50 which limit your accuracy. You would need a colorimeter to create icc color profile. Fir internet browser set it to srgb in the deeper browser settings.

[@NintenBorrito84]

You're getting around 19-20ms of lag too, supposedly. A fake 120fps just doesn't look right at all though for certain titles like Dragon Ball Fighterz, Super Mario Wonder, and so much more etc. With those two I'd stick wtih 60+BFI with TINK4K BFI.

[@DKNmobile90]

@@NintenBorrito84 it is still very low. If you play a game where you don't need to be competitive it is good enough. It can help a lot, especially on OLER with nearly instant response time. If you do it right, it can be a benefit. I mean it is optional.

[@DKNmobile90]

@@NintenBorrito84 i have had good experiences with blur 10 and stable 60 fps games. The input lag is enough, if you not play competitive. The pixels are so fast, that it may feels like a LED TV with 10ms or so. And we all know that 30 fps on OLED is hard to look at. So here the judder can help a lot. Not perfect in every case, but worth a try.

[@chinogambino9375]

This is something all TVs need in addition to BFI. I play a lot of Switch on my C1 but many games are locked 30 fps, any sort of panning shot suffers huge juddering, its seriously like an earth quake on screen. I use the standard preset for super smooth interpolation at 30fps but the input lag is really bad, actually unplayable for anything requiring timing. For turn based like Fire Emblem and or casual like Animal Crossing its hard to go back. If Samsung can keep it low latency its a killer feature.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

De-Judder 10 OLED Motion Pro Medium oj the C1 can make 30fps look like 240 but the imput lag is high and the artifacts are very noticeable

[@beammeupscottsp7952]

@@chinogambino9375 it is low latency, it's great for those pesky 30 fps games, works almost flawlessly for 60 fps games, and you keep your HDR highlights. LG needs to get on the ball and release a feature like this in game mode 😂

[@MsMarco6]

Your right it absolutely depends on the game & it's obviously not DLSS 3 quality (but that would be difficult without motion vectors). But is it almost always better than the native framerate, absolutely it is. This feature is what makes PS5 games enjoyable for me, I don't have to sit there stressing about quality vs performance modes. I'd say it makes 30fps games feel like 40fps (which is a bigger deal than it sounds) and adds that extra layer of clarity & smoothness to 60fps titles without the downsides of BFI. Seeing how well it works already makes me excited for the future. AI processing will allow Tv's to estimate motion vectors far more accurately & boost frame rates more than 2x. Trust me 30fps to 240fps interpolation with DLSS 3 quality directly on the TV is closer than you think. The AI models already exist, it's just a case of getting them to run in Realtime which seeing the leaps in AI being made will happen sooner rather than later.

[@beammeupscottsp7952]

@@MsMarco6 yes exactly I run all 60 fps PS5 with this on and it turns it into 120 frames with almost no downsides. Those 1 or 2 pesky 30 fps games like final fantasy 16 it turned it into more like 40 fps plus, which is way smoother than 30 fps even though it’s only like a 10 frame boost, it just plays and looks so much better.

[@astreakaito5625]

I think LG could easily implement this feature. It works great on the C2-C4 already, it's just simply not allowed in game mode. But nothing should stop it from working faster. It's just like the 120hz BFI thing, nothing should be stopping them they just don't do it anyway because they're out of touch.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Out of touch with gamers for sure, I can't wait to grow this channel to have the opportunity to speak with these companies and their representatives directly to help change things for the better

[@Btal821]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Hope you cant speak to Sony first. They're sitting on the pocket aces of features haha. Crazy it's currently in the dustbin of history!

[@TechWithKG]

i told you that you would love it is a game changer! I been screaming from the mountain tops for years for other TV makers to add this. 30 fps games use Blur 0 Judder 10. 60 fps games use Blur 10 Judder 0 Those are my ideal settings.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

It's a big deal, and I'm glad you've been asking for it. I'll do the same if I ever have a chance to speak with these companies.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

What's the Level 1 doing? I still haven't figured that out

[@mauriciobecker7916]

@@TechWithKG DONT WORK with me....when I tried in a game with 30fps....the 60fps felling DOESNT EXIST. I dont know what Im doing wrong. I have a 4070ti super

[@Roe777]

I used it for FF7 Rebirth quality mode, the 30fps didn't seem so bad with Game Motion Plus on. There was some added input lag/ghosting but for a single player action rpg I wasn't bothered much, the smoothness of the motion was well worth it

[@UndisputedChampion-i6g]

I can get a 77" LG B4 Oled for 1,599 on black Friday do you think it's worth it? I want a huge oled to start gaming in my living room too.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Yes, the B4 has close to 800 nits Gsync Freesync 120Hz and 2 HDMI 2.1 port. That's on the top of my head, double check with RTTINS

[@miklzn]

It might be my TV that doesnt have a good implementation of this, but depending on content im actually at a point where I can't watch a video without it because it feels choppy, I have the "video frame generation" set to low and it works good on 90% of content but if I put it to max some higher detail videos suffer from some ghosting like you would see with FSR in PC games. For Game mode if VRR is on this features is off but it can be used in 60hz mode with games too, but I'll be honest haven't tested it much with games but for sure gonna do that in the next days! BTW I love your content, i learned a lot from it!

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

It's definitely something worth trying. Thanks!

[@dinoh5737]

the laughter at the beginning lmao

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

😁

[@dinoh5737]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 jesi li sa balkana slucajno porijeklom? 😁

[@TheEdmaster87]

​@@dinoh5737He is Cuban

[@TheEdmaster87]

Do you use HGIG here or dynamic tone mapping? Whats the equivalent to LG HDR settings?

[@EverythingPS5Pro]

Really excited for this video! Gonna be nice to see what you think comparing this to Trumotion. The day LG makes this mode for C4 and G4 is a very happy day indeed. They have promised 5 years of new WebOS revisions and updates from the newer tvs in the future 5 years forward, so if 144hz BFI and Game Motion Plus comes as a feature this years line-up should get those features. Improvements to upscaling is already promised and gets updated every month, so its gonna be exciting to see how Samsung handles it on there panels and how good it is on S95C. The fluidity wasn’t as good on S90C as on my LG C4, looked a little less perfect in motion but nothing that ruined the experience, just not as good as LG TruMotion in terms of added frames and frame pacing fluidity (frame-times) looked more stable I guess atleast for my eyes but they might have patched and fixed it on Samsung so this video is exciting. I would love if they would add immense competition and strike at LG so that LG goes crazy and shoots back with all they have.

[@SebaStian-ff4kx]

I'm thinking about LG G4 77 inches or Samsung S95D I don't know what to choose LG Dolby Vision and G Sync I watch movies and play on PC I currently have an LG C1 65

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

S95D has a mat finish. I would not recommend that at all. Try S90D

[@RasoGOVI]

No hate but it never compares with native frames per second. The natural motion clarity cannot be beaten by fake frames. Same thing applies with the resolution a fake 4K vs. real 4K. Not to mention the fake HDR settings vs. real HDR settings. Thanks for the upload.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I'm all for real resolution and FPS but we have to get what we can

[@RasoGOVI]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 abso-freaking-lutely YES.

[@Tranquillz]

sorry ?? what if I have Nvidia 4080 Super. and I have frame generation...... then what is ''game motion plus'' doing for me ? can I open BOTH ? should I ??

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Well, you can push RT and graphics in general, lock to 60fps and enjoy

[@PogueSquadron]

I really like this feature on 60fps games, but I think for 30 it’s just a little too I consistent for me. For certain 30fps games that are slower, like an RPG, I’ve taken it out of Game Mode and used the standard motion smoothing. Really feels like it takes a 30fps game to 60 most of the time. It’s pretty wild, but yeah, the input lag takes a major hit. I did this with Kingdom Hearts 3 since it’s just button mashing mostly, and it made its 60fps look even smoother. Pretty wild.

[@beammeupscottsp7952]

Yes Samsung and TCL are the only ones with game motion plus that I know of so far. Not sure why LG and Sony won’t implement a feature like this, it’s a game changer!

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Really, I didn't know TCL had it. Then it might be worth waiting for those glassless 3d OLEDs, especially the 8k one that's injeck printed

[@beammeupscottsp7952]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 woah, that’d be cool. Yeah I was messing the tcl qm8 a saw the feature in game mode and worked just as well as Samsung. Why aren’t the other big companies doing this, doesn’t seem hard to do!

[@N-e.o]

What is it called on the TCL? Certainly not 'game motion plus'

[@beammeupscottsp7952]

@@N-e.o nah it's just a feature in its motion settings, available in game mode.

[@beammeupscottsp7952]

Almost at 10k bro!!!!

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

So close!

[@ZerofoolBG]

6:28 what software provides the overlay that shows the brightness histogram? Btw, these grey sticky pieces of rubber on the lower left and right edges of the TV are part of the packaging, to ensure safer transportation. If you decide to keep the TV, you can safely remove them, gently and slowly :)

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Reshade HDR shaders by Lilium

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Thanks 👍

[@ZerofoolBG]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Thanks! I'll be catching up with your earlier videos on that topic :)

[@Danny75k]

I'm surprised you didn't mention the "auto HDR remastering" feature. It could have been interesting to create a video comparing Samsung's auto HDR remastering VS native HDR VS Reshade

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Where is that setting?

[@rasa4512]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 isn't that just active tone mapping heh

[@Danny75k]

​​@@plasmatvforgaming9648Write on Google "What is Auto HDR Remastering feature in Neo QLED TV?" (And click on the second link) But that's weird, I thought it was available on all the latest Samsung TVs. In the end, I have the impression that it's only on the neo QLED, that doesn't make any sense The feature only appears on the product page of QN90C, QN95C, QN90D, QN95D This is a feature that excites me as much as game motion plus, and it's available in game mode The problem is that Samsung's mini LEDs TVs have become less efficient than those from TCL (dimming zone + brightness), TCL holds exclusive rights to the latest generation of CSOT panels. Samsung is no longer making any effort about miniled technology and the auto hdr remastering feature is not available on their oled tvs, it's really a waste

[@MrJimbobrude]

I’ve just tried this out on my S95D with hogwarts legacy via series X and wow! Setting the game to 60hz performance mode with level 2 looks smoother and better than running the game in VRR high frame rate mode. The input lag is negligible too. This is going to be such a great future for when GTA6 comes out.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Nice!

[@1UpWorld]

Great deep dive into this feature. Maybe for another video, you could lock a game at 30 frames and use game motion plus to simulate using the feature on a console game at 30.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Yes. I'll cover the feature again once I spend more time with it and figure out all the combinations

[@jamescampbell8482]

This is how I've been using the program lossless scaling. I have my 144 Hz LCD overclocked to 180 Hz and I use X4 frame generation to make sure frame rate always equals hz and then I use backlight strobing together with that. 1200 pixels per second on the UFO test and the UFO is completely legible. 5 1/2 ms of pixel visibility time when it's just sample and hold, less with the backlight strobe. I just wish we had much brighter backlights while also being capable of strobing. 1000 nits full screen would be perfect for getting much better shorter pulses from the backlight without brightness loss.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Nice! I'm surprised that the strobing work with the 180Hz OC

[@jamescampbell8482]

It does work although I think the pulse width is impacted somehow. But it is so much more enjoyable to use. It makes the monitor feel like it's a native 720p in terms of motion clarity. But there are definitely artifacts.

[@mauriciobecker7916]

Can you help me? I have a CX and in order to this to work I need to not use PC mode HDMi. I went to Hdmi mode, block the game at 30fps vrr and fresyng off on TV but the results on PC is just not working good as ok consoles. What Am I doing wrong? I beg you....this is making me mad😢

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

HDMI Console Mode Picture Cinema Home (Custom), VRR Gsync Freesync off, resolution output to 60Hz (Better input lag than 30Hz) lock the FPS to 30 (half Vsync) De-Judder 10 OLED Motion Pro Medium, that's 240fps like motion with obvious downsides

[@Hybred]

I watched some comparisons of game motion+ vs other TV interpolation. Apparently in terms of image quality its not the best, so it seems the reduced latency comes at a cost, but I think its worth it.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Within the same S95C, the interpolation outside of Game mode has better quality. It's totally worth it, though. Has LosslessScaling been fixed? (I forgot to change to 120Hz in the video, I'm talking about the Win update issue that broke it)

[@N0N0111]

You have to see the RTX 3080 Ti and the RTX 4090 side by side, the drawing pipeline for the RTX 4090 is a lot shorter. It will be much smoother, but we are almost there for RTX 5090 😅

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I want to react to Jensen announcement of the 5090 with one of those Dubai billionaire cloths and 30k cash on top of the desk and my hands with big gold necklace. That would be so fun 😁

[@Snxgur]

yeah rtx 5090 is very soon. not worth buying a 4090 right now at all considering a few month max and 5090 will be out

[@AnimeUniverseDE]

Can you test if this works at other refresh rates as well? If you send the TV a 50Hz signal for example. Or maybe even 72Hz, because the max refresh of the S95C is 144Hz right

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

It should work at 50, I'll try it. At 72 it won't work because there's no 72Hz resolution listed and due to the one connect box you can't change or create any custom resolution, Nvidia scaling and DLDSR don't work

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

You can't eliminate the 4096 resolution with the CRU app either

[@AnimeUniverseDE]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 ah that sucks. so you're stuck with the given options I guess? does a 1440p 60hz option exist for you? because it didn't for rtings

[@peterkeller486]

At me this option is disabled. I use the 90C on 144 Hz. Maybe i have to set the TV to 60 Hz in windows?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Set HDMI to Console, Game Mode and 60Hz output, VRR off

[@beammeupscottsp7952]

Yup this is what puts samsung tv's in front of LG when it comes to gaming on consoles. Turns any 60 fps into 120 with minimal lag and minimal artifacts while keeping HDR highlights, there was only one 30 fps game I've played on ps5 which was final finatasy 16 because performance mode was broken. Used game motion plus and it basically played more smooth instead of the native 30 fps, felt more like 40 fps plus. With this feature you keep your hdr highlights, bfi ruins that unfortunately. TCL has game motion plus as well, LG and Sony need to get on the ball and release a feature like this. This is why samsung outsells LG like crazy 😂

[@alphaj9]

Makes Wukong playable for me

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I shared Hybred mod for Wukong, it's amazing

[@joseijosei]

Where do I get a C1? It sounds great. Do you know how the motion fluidity compares to a CRT monitor?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

The LG C1/G1 OLED Motion Pro high at 120fps/Hz has 3.2 milliseconds of persistence equal to 3 pixels of motion blur when moving at 1000 pixels per second, that's like 312fps. A CRT can have 1ms of persistence at just 60fps which like 1000 fps

[@gleamingtv3946]

Are you concerned about Burn in, I saw a comment saying they had to replace 2 of those 1st or 2nd generation QD-OLED panels because of burn in. in 1 year of use.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I'm not, I'll even do the 2000 nits mod

[@uusrikas]

I had s95b with mods(2years) and now s90d zero problems

[@simonfil2]

How big of a difference do you feel with the color vibrancy on the Samsung compared to your old LG?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

More than 4x for some colors. It's absolutely incredible, I was blown away in the previous video without even releasing all the BT2020 gamut, I'll show that on a side by side comparison. I'll use BFI on the S95C to prove that some colors are more than 2x brighter using a test pattern

[@RandomUnassignedYTHandle]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Was interesting that you mentioned you didn't see new shades of red on the C1 after 500 nits. Without BFI anyway, does it then make more sense to set RTX HDR to 500 instead of 800 nits so as to stop peaks before color dilution?

[@Kfc_for_chickens]

This feature significantly increases input lag + artefacts. Its only cool for content, where you doesn't need low input lag. For games there is technology nvidia frame generator which working on very powerfull gpu and it's not even perfect. but input lag almost the same. with tv we have technologe which not works with game engine directly but only with a signal, and this technology working on weak samsung SoC. And result will be not even close to dlss framegen with 20-25ms input lag. So my opinion and my personal case - this tecnhology only useful for sport content. Instead of buying expensive tv it’s better to buy ps5 pro where you will never see 30 fps. Thanks for video although

[@Xavier-do6ty]

Silent hill 2 just said they'll have a 30 fps graphics mode for the game on PS5 Pro. Will this feature work to boost those frames if they're locked at 30 fps?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

​@@Xavier-do6ty Yes, it'll give you 60

[@Xavier-do6ty]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 oh boy 😀👐

[@DarkLionn83]

I went front G2 to S95c. The difference between the brightness and color volume was massive, especially in game mode 🎉

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I was blowed away in the previous video and I didn't even had it on the full BT2020 mode, the color brightness is dream like

[@DarkLionn83]

@plasmatvforgaming9648 I had the qn900b, qn900a, G2 I can say for sure the S95c is the best gaming tv I ever had

[@pboissie]

To be fair G2 and G3 looked dim with dull colors in game mode which was a big complaint. They have since fixed that on G4 i understand, but ofcourse qdoled colors will still look richer by default with colors anyways, but G4 will have the edge on overall sharpness/shadow detail and brightness in game mode overall

[@DarkLionn83]

@pboissie G4 is a beast 💪 i really hope to get it one day 🙏 I don't know if it's better or worse from S95c on game mode, though 🤔

[@pboissie]

@@DarkLionn83 yea man i want to upgrade my lg c9 to a G4 but its so expensive still lol almost as much as sony a95L. While the samsung s90d is 1k less, tough decision 😂 i already own an older qdoled for my other tv, with my s95b, so i want to stay LG to replace the c9 to atleast still have one tv with dolby vision and DTS audio, better processing for lower res content…which samsung doesnt have ofcourse…will wait for further G4 price drop i guess for now lol

[@IwinMahWay]

How's the lack of dolby vision affecting your overall content consumption?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I've never even seen the DV logo pop on my C1, there are no DV games on PC and I just use it for PC gaming. On the other hand HDR10+ is a killer feature for PC gaming. I'll cover that soon

[@IwinMahWay]

​@@plasmatvforgaming9648ok thanks 😊

[@jimpayne9488]

Would like to see brightness/color of C1 and S96C side by side to see how big of difference with bfi on.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I'll definitely do that

[@TheEdmaster87]

Best solution is still: upgrade your GPU/CPU and enjoy even better motion and frames when using FG or lossless or without. But of course if you cant afford it, this could be usable. I sold my CX and got the LG G4 because I dont need BFI 120 anymore as I now have 144hz TV and the RTX4090 gives many frames in many games so the motion is very good anyway above 120hz/120fps and then one can apply lossless scaling or FG if supported. So for me this Samsung feasture is not needed. But I understand not everyone can afford this. So this could be a nice solution.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I want to react to Jensen announcement of the 5090 with one of those Dubai billionaire cloths and 30k cash on top of the desk and my hands with big gold necklace. That would be so 😁

[@TheEdmaster87]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Hehe, yes Nvidia is greedy. But thats also due to low competition. But if people stopped buying GPUs for a while and are fed with cheaper good enough graphics, nvidia prices may go down some time in the future. I will not be looking at RTX 5000 series at all...

[@residentCJ]

I dont like FG so much, even with BaseFramerate at 60, it produces Artifacts and Ghosting/Blur little like TAA. If the Gpu could do BFI instead of FG that would be cool 😁

[@beammeupscottsp7952]

@@TheEdmaster87 yes but you have to realize you're in the minority. Even if people have the money they aren't going to invest into something like that. Most are casual gamers, 1000 dollar tv plus a console for less than 500 bucks and you're already getting 120 frames. It's good enough for most consumers, you're in like the 2 percent who takes gaming that serious.

[@deus_nsf]

Does it support VRR? I guess not right? If not, I can only see this being good for console gaming. Still, a cool feature.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

The TV supports VRR bit for this feature you need to turn it off

[@deus_nsf]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Yeah that's what I was afraid of, so good for console gaming but on PC I would still use LSFG/AFMF2 for VRR support.

[@Animal_lives_matter]

Was RTSS fps limit preventing lossless scaling from going above 60?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Not at all, locking the FPS is actually required for LosslessScaling

[@MrRaitzi]

Thing is that if you have big screen, even 60fps has judder and blurry motion. I have this in LCDs and I am sure bigger help is with OLED due to response time.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

The bigger the screen, depending on how close you sit, pixels per degree of view could be a lot higher, and that definitely matters for motion.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

A phone a 60 looks better in motion than on a big TV

[@TenthMarigold]

What’s the difference between this and Framegen or FSR 3?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

It always works for all games, it doubles the FPS, it costs no GPU performance

[@tomaspla4252]

You should use VRR with Lossless scaling, I prefer to use LSFG on heavy games that may go below 60fps, GMP on games that are constantly at 60fps.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Sounds like a good plan

[@PogueSquadron]

My perception was that level two is better than level one by default, but you can customize both of them, so I assume they’re more just like presets? To be honest, I don’t find the black frame insertion to distracting. I am I know it’s not as good as it is on TVs from a few years ago, but depending on the game, it can offer some really cool results. I wish it was just possible to have some kind of pass-through box that could just do 120 Hz black Freeman insertion on a software level, but I understand that maybe this would overwork the TV too much?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

120bfi isn't possible because hardware is necessary for it.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I thought level.1 and 2 were just presets, but if that's the case, they don't work well

[@adrianambrinoc6889]

Hey Ariel, this only works on 60hz refresh rate on PC?So you set resolution to 60hz in Nvidia control panel? If so then Game motion plus it can only display 60 fps on 60hz right?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

60Hz output from the console or PC, the HDMI has to be in Console Mode, Game Mode on. The TV will give you 120fps out of 60 from the content. Even when the source is 60Hz the TV is refreshing at 120Hz

[@adrianambrinoc6889]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Thx for clarifying, i have a odyssey g8, not sure if this will work, but my OSD and functions are very similar to the s95c

[@rasa4512]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 so this is confirmed it doesn't interpolate up to to 144hz right? I thought this was the case, the fact that 144hz also only runs in PC mode is the other give away I guess. Thanks for the in depth analysis. Also because it doesn't work in PC mode means it also can't work with the full 4:4:4 color space (only 4:2:2 i think), unlike lossless scaling which doesn't have that restriction. Agree that it's still a great feature OOTB though.

[@masterchief6443]

I'd much rather have frame interpolation than BFI(fancy word for strobing), it's pretty much going back before flicker-free LCDs(and to CRTs and maybe Plasma) and going very low frequency(whatever the refresh rate is it sounds like) and full on modulation. I recommend people take a look at the PWM_sensitive subreddit for more information on why you should avoid PWM-like displays/features. I personally think it is responsible for how bad my myopia is.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Brute force sample and hold kHz refresh rate isn't the goal, we need that for HDR and because some people are sensitive to Flickering. The problem is that we're not there yet and Flickering is great for those who can tolerate it

[@masterchief6443]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 You may be able to tolerate PWM-like effects or not even realize you are feeling/being affected, doesn't mean there isn't a problem, I'm just merely here to inform those who may not know about it and may care, i can't force anyone who doesn't to care about it, merely an conflict in interests/priorities.

[@Hybred]

LSFG dosen't work in exclusive fullscreen or when your hz matches your FPS, and I saw you were at 60hz instead of 120hz. But with that said, the latest W11 update changed how windows captures frames so we have to write parts of the program now unfortunately thanks to Microsoft, so it may be in a glitchy state for some people until then. Good video!

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Yeah, I missed that, I pinned the first comment that realized that and also explained it in the description of the video.

[@Hybred]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 I will say though it's probably more fair to compare LSFG in performance mode vs the TV since the TV's interpolation is in its performance mode too for reduced latency at the expense of image quality. It works the same way with LSFG, except better performance is also an added variable

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I'll make a direct comparison with LosslessScaling in another video. This one was messed up

[@erkimann]

I agree that 120 fps on the oleds like the c1 looks blurry, but it’s good enough for me. 60 fps though looks like crap. That’s why I don’t think lg oleds are good for consol gaming.

[@30jayrupapara67]

Sir does sony tv have better motion setting than this tv and which tv did you tested in sony

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Not the Sony TVs from today, a very old TV. This one kzbin.info/www/bejne/hGfXeKWKrLCNppY

[@_Mystic1978_]

Motion clarity para mi es una de las cosas mas importantes de cualquier tv o monitor además del contraste por su puesto, por eso compré el asus qdoled de 240hz y sigo con la C1 que tiene 120hz BFI lo que equivale a 312fps. La pena es la reducción de brillo. Pero para eso ya tengo el monitor que no pierde brillo a 240hz/fps y la homogeneidad del color es superior, los blancos son superiores para mi gusto también. La cuestión es de que te sirve una Tv con un HDR superior, con mas brillo , etc... pero que tiene más desenfoque cuando juegas y pierdes esos matices por desenfoque. Tendría que verla a 144hz y 144fps a ver que tal es esa s95C para dar una opinión más objetiva. Saludos bro!

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

144 es solo un poco mejor, esta S95C no se ve clara en movimiento

[@_Mystic1978_]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 El problema para mucha gente será el factor limitante en base a la potencia del setup, ya que mantener 144fps en 4k no es tarea fácil. Yo ya tengo reservada en una tienda de unos amigos la 5090 cuando salga, me guardarán una. Con la 4090 voy bien pero necesito algo de punch en según que juegos. Me gustaría ser tu vecino para poder enseñarte mi asus qdoled de 240hz jugando a 240fps a oscuras en mi setup. La experiencia te aseguro que es amazing compadre. En cualquier caso disfruta esa TV , por el precio que has pagado es un big deal.

[@TheMnbba]

I don't find it interesting on Samsung TVs, it's known to cause artifacts. Sony and LG tvs implement motion features in much better ways, if you ask me.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

LG and Sony need to have their interpolation on Game mode

[@alanclark9000]

I'm sick of the handicap things we are doing because fps has been bad. Kinda sad that Playstation is doing a psr before xbox. Xbox spoken about fsr before Playstation, and here we are without it and we aren't getting a better consol either. Gaming today, if you aren't on a $5000 pc, you are lagging, skipping frames 30 ms frame times. Just all over the place

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Facts

[@schmockyyyyyyy]

Does this higher the smoothness of 120fps ps5 games or is this only for 60fps max?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

This doubles the fps with interpolation from 30 to 60 or from 60 to 120

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

If you already have 120fps this is not going to work. The output of the PS5 has to be 60Hz

[@schmockyyyyyyy]

Oh wow i didnt know it was that useful. I own a s90c since 1 year and i never used it for my ps5 games🫠. Thank you you are the best❤

[@androsforever500]

Funny I just bought the S90C last week and it's ridiculously better than my old LG CX on stock settings. I've been lucky to get a gen2 panel on my 55 inch and I went ahead and took the risk already and accessed the service menu to change the model type to the s95c and do the anapeak mod, pushing it all the way to 1023 and also did a couple of other modifications to remove abl and increase base luminance as recommended on a forum post I found. It is now insanely bright, it has the amazing benefits of incredibly vibrant colors and very good contrast with much better near black than the CX AND a full 100% brightness that is better than my old IPS LCD. It's mind boggling, I just watched a DBZ episode and the screen didn't dim almost at all it looked like a high end LCD in brightness. When it comes to watching HDR movies the scene looks much more natural in daytime scenes with lights sources and shimmering objects looking true to life. Absolutely love this upgrade I made by selling my old CX for 450 and buying this TV new for 940 online!

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

The S90C 55 wasn't available, that's what I wanted

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Got this one for 1139.99usd

[@beammeupscottsp7952]

Damnnnnn post a vid brah

[@beammeupscottsp7952]

@@RandomUnassignedYTHandlestill the qd-oled is superior tech, it's just facts.

[@RandomUnassignedYTHandle]

@@beammeupscottsp7952 Yes it may be overall. However, for my tastes, I really wish they would add a polarizer. I think it might have even been Samsung that pioneered the mirror black look back in the day. And I wish they would offer that on their OLEDs. And of course, I desperately wish Samsung and/or LG would offer an OLED Motion Pro equivalent. At this point, it's like oh that OLED picture looks awesome. Wow, that one looks even more awesome! And yet for motion clarity you have to try to find a model from 2020/2021. I would at least think this rolling scan motion clarity circuit would reappear in OLED computer monitors. After all, their LCD competition features such motion clarity enabling hardware.

[@rolandvarasdy2465]

If I want it for movies which one is better in motion samsung oled or lg oled, exemple i wanna watch anime with very smooth motion, I wondering which ones should I choose?(like a s90c or s90d vs c3 or c4)

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

The animation of animes are sub 24fps, there's no way to have fluidity on those. It's like Cuphead, a game with low fps animations that looks jarring even at high fps just because the animations don't scale well, otherwise it would look speed up

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I haven't tried the interpolation for movies on the S95C yet but I'd get a C4 for movies just because most video content doesn't have those HDR colors (unless you forced them with TV settings) and non MLA WRGB has perfect blacks and no raised with light like QDOLED. I'll cover that on another video

[@rolandvarasdy2465]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 But overall the s90c has better colors then c3, i saw some compere on yt and looks better, but in real life i dont know how big that difference

[@rolandvarasdy2465]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Btw, I cant wait your compare videos with the c1, its so relevant to me now, thanks your content.

[@CarnivoryHODL]

Is there a way to turn 30fps to 120fps like you could w/ LG C1?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

No, I was hoping for that to be the case

[@erkimann]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648so there are no interpolation features outside of game mode like the c1?

[@CarnivoryHODL]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 that’s unfortunate.. really hope GTA VI runs at 60fps at least on console

[@astreakaito5625]

great video!

[@SSS-vo2fd]

I am very appreciate for your review. How about QD OLED's raised blacks around bright hilight? I am very curious about that. I want to get QD OLED. But raised blacks around bright hilight would be a deal breaker for me. So I am waiting for your experience about that😁

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I'll cover that issue. It's a big problem imo. Under any lighting conditions you loose the perfect blacks, including the light produced by the TV itself, which is very bright

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Basically, the TV lights up the room, and the blacks don't look like my C1

[@asafblasbergvideographer]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 But you get much better color brightness and color gamut over C1 as you showed us in your color bars test 😀

[@SSS-vo2fd]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Oh my gosh, that's exactly what I was worried about. I was worried that even in a completely dark room, the light from the bright highlights on the TV would reflect off the walls of the room, and that the reflected light would then reach the blacks on the TV and lift the blacks. You mean this is true, right? 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢 Now that I think about it, there are some W OLED products that also have raised blacks issues, like the G3. If so, could it be that the G3, like the QD OLEDs, also has raised blacks due to light from the TV? 😢😢😢😢 Perfect blacks are OLED's very precious feature. 😢😢

[@rasa4512]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 is this also before even modding for extra brightness or have you already done that?

[@bungalowtomcat1]

Would you be able to do videos that aren't game related, if ,possible Cheers

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Yes, I'll make a movie related video about the S95C, S95C vs C1, and especially when I try the 3d glasses prototype sample I received to get 3d on the C1 which could be tunned for the S95C too

[@Animal_lives_matter]

Does anyone know why LG remove the 120 Hertz bfi mode after 2021? Did they ever give a reason for it? They must have been concerned about something. Maybe they thought it was bad for pixel health or something?

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Actually OLED Motion Pro high is protective against burnt-in, I talked about that on a video where I intentionally raised the low point of 22-Points calibration to cause constant image retention and OLED Motion Pro high was beautifully cleaning it up

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

They removed the feature with the justification of increasing the pixel aperture ratio for more brightness. That's a bs corporate explanation. If you ask me, they just cheaped out and removed the necessary hardware for it. The C2 had the same evo panel as the C1 and it didn't have the feature

[@Animal_lives_matter]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Yeah I don't believe their explanation either. I don't see what pixel aperture has to do with pulsing 8ms/8ms vs 4ms/4ms. Anyway the motion interpolation can work at 4ms intervals and the A9 processor is touted as being powerful.. So, it remains a mystery. Did you ever try C1 BFI with games locked to 60 and outputting 120hz to display? We're there double images and did it bother you?

[@RandomUnassignedYTHandle]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 I'm speculating, but I think it was the return of Samsung into the space and their emphasis on brightness. Why spend future R&D in the face of a powerful competitor on a feature that is difficult to explain to people and, again guessing, had low adoption. That said, I absolutely hate that they got rid of it. And purposely sought out the CX and now this C1. (The latter I got used from Amazon, but which actually had zero hours on the clock upon arrival.)

[@RandomUnassignedYTHandle]

They told reviewer Vincent Teoh it was so they could focus on brightness. In other words, LG Display didn't want to spend money on this feature anymore. Before discontinuing OLED Motion Pro, they had already effectively removed it at 60 Hz on the C1 versus the CX by greatly increasing persistence. I guess because people whined about the flicker. I and I think many others had been waiting for OLED Motion Pro combined with the then new 42" panel size. And the removal was a huge shock.

[@Heimkineast]

Why use this instead of freesync LFC which looks much better imo

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

More frames improve motion, VRR just prevents tearing at variable fps

[@Spaceman69420]

I never like these TV motion interpolation features or nvidia frame gen/amd frame gen. DLSS performance is good enough for me to get decent frames on a 3080 @ 4k until I grab a 5080 :)

[@dablklika]

i have a philips 43" ips with p5 engine, and that processing is amazing 30fps looks and feels like 60 fps and it's better then my sony 65" 89j Va which is 120 hz, but picture engine is rubbish, great for movies, but if the game is 30 fps I don't play it... Oled is way better :)

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Nice!

[@uusrikas]

Can you do video how its is on philips i have one older 855 but i want to se newer version

[@dante19890]

It's just way better to use framegen mods for PC that can allow fsr3 in basically every game.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Those don't work great all the time, it's awful in Howards Legacy, for example. And it doesn't exactly double the FPS without any performance hit.

[@uusrikas]

There is service menu setting vrr/framerate that's originally 4 i set it to 10 that seams to improve fbs but i cant test it

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

What's fbs?

[@uusrikas]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 overall something service menu mrt option framerate/vrr setting

[@uusrikas]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 service menu mrt hdmi 1 or 2 then framerate/vrr setting

[@beammeupscottsp7952]

Please tell LG and Sony to release a feature like this in game mode, shoot even TCL has this feature. Minimal lag and you keep hdr highlights. It's a big reason why samsung is molly whopping LG in sales and plus qd-oled 😂

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Once the channel grows to the point where these companies' representatives would listen, I'll definitely try to steer things in our direction as gamers

[@beammeupscottsp7952]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 10K just around the corner!

[@mauriciobecker7916]

I HATE because on PC this kind of settings doesnt work as good as consoles. I just dont know why

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

HDMI Console Mode Picture Cinema Home (Custom), VRR Gsync Freesync off, resolution output to 60Hz (Better input lag than 30Hz) lock the FPS to 30 (half Vsync) De-Judder 10 OLED Motion Pro Medium, that's 240fps like motion with obvious downsides

[@mauriciobecker7916]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 I did all this and playing 30fps the 60fps felling doesnt happen. Dont know what Im doing wrong. On consoles it works GREAT

[@randys8974]

Why not show it with 30 fps

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

I'll dedicate a video to 30fps

[@mikebouwmeister9539]

Bjt still. C1 can do 120 bfi. So 240fps. Bam .

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Actually, OLED motion pro Medium is like 240fps, High is like 312fps

[@MyouKyuubi]

... So... 60 hz native, 120 hz interpolation? Why not just, get a 120 hz oled instead? My LG C3 is 120 hz. :O EDIT: Oh... console... I get it now, i don't use console, i use PC, so none of my games are hardlocked at 30 or 60 fps, lmao.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

The S95C is 144Hz VRR but 60Hz output from PC the TV is actually at 120Hz with this feature so you get 120fps

[@MyouKyuubi]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Makes sense!

[@Stoddardian]

In the menu it says LED backlight. Lol!

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

That's probably because it's the same software for all TVs and they didn't bother to change it

[@CrashBashL]

I own an LG C3 42". My plan is simple. I'll buy a high end gaming PC next year. Rtx 4090 etc. Depending on the game, I will lock the PC to 30 FPS respectively 60FPS, and ALWAYS use TruMotion on my TV. That way I will (more or less) be able to use MAX visual settings in games, for many years, and get that extra Hz (120Hz) from my C3. Even now, I never play on my PS5 without De-Blur/ De-Judder 10/10. And if the games are LOCKED at 30-60FPS, it's a win.

[@tomaspla4252]

The gpu's frame generation is just better than any tv's implementation, it has access to motion vectors from the games, and you can pair it with VRR. You can play everything at 4k HDR 120hz VRR with a 4090.

[@CrashBashL]

@@tomaspla4252 There is NO way to get 120FPS in modern games using maxed RayTracing or PathTracing and max visual settings using the GPU's frame generator, without serious visual compromises. By doing what I said in my first comment, I will always get the 120Hz that I want on my screen.

[@mauriciobecker7916]

I ended UP buying Pc thinking like you But got dissapointed. This technolgy doesnt Work as well as on consoles. I tried everything and didnt have good results 😢

[@CrashBashL]

@@mauriciobecker7916 Why? I had good results, that's why I am sticking to it. The TV doesn't know if you're on consoles or on PC. It is YOU that have to do the right settings. On LG for example, you have to edit the HDMI icon (PC) to be console, so the TruMotion becomes available. Pick Standard mode in TV. Disable VRR. Disable ALLM. Then, on PC lock the FPS to 30 or 60. (Rivatunner) It is impossible to not work. I even made a tutorial on Reddit on how to do it.

[@mauriciobecker7916]

I coundt find ALLM. Where is this? Tv or on PC? Maybe thats why is not working

[@hanes2]

Is this the TV for people who dock their switch xD

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Switch is going to look terrible on such a big screen because the resolution is very low

[@Hybred]

​@@plasmatvforgaming9648 Theirs an HDMI capable that does anti-aliasing and light upscaling. It makes things like Switch games look sharper

[@ihorychiha8834]

Hm😊

[@r-test3668]

lmao what dei looking game is this

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Inmortal Fenix Rising, this is an older game, back where I didn't know about the DEI injection, but now I can clearly see why

[@AnANas00-x3p]

🤣🤣🤣 Riding a Pink unicorn wasn't suspicious at all 🤣🤣🤣

[@schadey9103]

What a sad, triggered person. Conservatives have turned into 2015 era liberals.

[@schadey9103]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648if you want to be truly successful and reach a broad audience, engaging these kinds of idiots will be your downfall. Check out how Asmongold got banned on twitch for his brain dead takes recently. Even he admitted to being a bad person.

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

​@@AnANas00-x3p🤣

[@ChronosChris]

Why would anyone need a PS5 pro when the TV does it for you lol

[@huzaifahshaikh1535]

I dont know why LG does not implement this on Game optimizer. Nintendo switch game with motion on LG non-game mode looks sweet. LG should really give all the option in game mode, dont really care about 10ms hit etc

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

Once the channel grows more and I get the chance to speak with these companies' representatives, I'll let them know how much they're missing out

[@beammeupscottsp7952]

@@huzaifahshaikh1535 exactly they can but they won’t. This is why Samsung is molly whopping LG in tv sales right now, qd-oled plus game motion plus. It’s free frames with low latency for consoles, pretty much a no brainer 😂

[@HoodRed69]

Its a shame because the s95b had a level 3 game motion but the s90c and s95c only go up to level 2

[@plasmatvforgaming9648]

What was the difference?

[@HoodRed69]

@@plasmatvforgaming9648 not sure but i imagine it was better lol

[@uusrikas]

Both have 3 levels

[@HoodRed69]

@@uusrikas on my s90c there is no 3rd level and on his s95c there was no 3rd level