Microsoft’s New Computer Stinks

[@lukasgruber1280]

3... 2... 1.... discontinued

[@Not_interestEd-]

And promptly jailbroken to run Linux.

[@MegaManNeo]

I mean... ThinClients existed before already. Nothing too fancy, except this time Windows is a subscription.

[@howardlam6181]

@@Not_interestEd- where do you even get the drivers and buildtool for linux

[@RaneKunLovesNightcore]

Like seriously, I really wanna know, who on earth will be buying this!? This is worser decision than Apple Vison Pro...

[@joshshowman8711]

@@Not_interestEd- crazy thing is, you can spend 75 more for a minisforum UM690S with 32GB of ram and 1tb ssd

[@absolutetuber]

The Kensington lock isn’t to discourage theft. It’s to prevent you from yeating it out the window.

[@mkq504]

Made my day, sir

[@klitibehluli9976]

I mean, who even wants to steal this thing

[@monchiabbad]

You mean so it will bounce back and not hit others when you eventually yeet it at the microsoft representative that sold you on it.

[@priyanshunishad7402]

😂

[@RedSiegfried]

Stop saying yeeting. And at least spell it right.

[@Supersurfer12]

If this was free, I still wouldn't get one.....

[@marekstanek112]

Why? You can install a terminal server with storage on a RAID, and make an extremely safe and secure environment for your whole family. The point is it doesn't matter if you forget a dirt-cheap terminal at a hotel room in Bahrain, because it's completely useless and worthless to anyone but you. The problem is they sell the terminal at cca 25 times the price they should put on it.

[@utkarsharora5329]

@@marekstanek112 still not worth the pain probably get a cheap refurbished pc instead

[@SaHaRaSquad]

@@marekstanek112 Ok but in a hotel you'd have a laptop, not a gadget that needs 3+ periphery devices to be usable.

[@noticing33]

Frrrr

[@-xnnybimb-9398]

@@marekstanek112nobody reading allat 😹✌️

[@socialvideoplaza]

TPM? Secure boot? Bitlocker drive encryption? Hypervisor code integrity? Windows defender? Why? Nothing is stored on the computer!

[@blisphul8084]

They just don't want you repurposing it. They really don't want people playing snes games on it.

[@nomoredlc593]

@@blisphul8084 that´s just a challenge for hackers

[@CTSFanSam]

Seems it doesn't really need a power switch.

[@daanmageddon]

Exactly my thoughts. Sounds like a lot of marketing to make it sound like it does cool things, which it doesn't. Its just the thin client equivalent for the cloud, their cloud.

[@Äpple-pie-5k]

"Why? Nothing is stored on the computer!" -- To make sure it STAYS that way. We don't want people getting out of their subscriptions ! 💰

[@deheiligebron]

you killed me here: we started with the shape of the new Mac mini, and than ... gave up.

[@RaneKunLovesNightcore]

hahahaha same XD

[@GermanCodeMonkey]

Couldn't contain a loud laugh too 😀

[@HearMeLearn]

bro literally I was fucking dying when he delivered that line

[@bobpeters61]

Somehow, that does seem like an appropriate form factor for a thin client.

[@musicalhistory4392]

Ironically the one time a Mac Mini or Apple TV should be the design reference.

[@eddyp483]

Might as well get a raspberry pi 🤷‍♂️

[@luketorpedo]

Pretty much. Cheaper, does more. Only irratating thing I found was didn't do HDMI audio out the box without changing boot config which was pretty dumb not to be setup that way by default without an audio port. But aside from that ... not really needed to do anything for basic web use and watching videos... which is all I do with it.

[@niv8880]

Look for Alderlake mini pc's - much better value for money - SSD, more RAM, half the price

[@eatcarpet]

They should just give that away with every 365 subscription.

[@TK_1529]

That would actually make it a good deal

[@MegaManNeo]

Microsoft could sell a shitload of 365 subscriptions to companies alone that way, I tell you that.

[@marekstanek112]

Would make sense. So, keep dreaming.

[@kirby21-xz4rx]

That's actually a very good idea you should work with them 😂

[@mrN3w7]

They were thinking exactly the same... and did just that. They give it away to you for just 350 or so... with every subscription.

[@parker73724]

I'm still confused by Microsoft's obsession with cloud for individuals. You end up paying more for the high speed internet needed to use it, the hardware to connect to the cloud, and the ridiculous subscription fees. By the time you're done you've spent more money trying to get cloud technologies to work all for terrible latency and random visual hiccups. I've also noticed that the only individuals that have good enough internet to run cloud home PCs are fairly high wealth and can just afford to buy their own normal computers.

[@polishtheday]

The individual user is not their primary market. Most of their profits today come from cloud services. The cost of high speed service depends on where you live. I don’t consider $160 per month (after taxes) too much to pay for an unlimited gigabit fibre connection + unlimited wireless when a little over a decade ago I paid more than twice that for internet+cable TV+landline+cell phone+long distance charges. High speed internet is now being advertised as included in rents.

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

What do you mean by "high speed"? If you're connecting to a 1440p remote desktop with an AV1 stream you could get good quality with a mere 15Mbit connection, and any data that you're downloading to use on the PC isn't running over your local connection, it's being downloaded into a virtual environment over a multi gigabit link in a datacentre somewhere. The only caveat is local media, but Microsoft expects all of that to be piped into OneDrive so that's already there anyway. I'm not a fan of having all of my data stuck in their cloud either, mind, just pointing out that you don't actually need a high performance internet connection to use it.

[@nosajimiki5885]

@@polishtheday yeah, but the average PC has a shelf life of 5-10 years. If you instead buy a really nice $2000 dollar PC and use a slower 80$/mo internet connection (which is still 10x as fast as you need for just about anything anyone uses the internet for) and factor in the cost of the cloud services which average about $110/mo you need to buy to make this thing work, you've still saved $9400-20,800 over the life of owning your PC... so, frankly, I don't care what internet+cable TV+landline+cell phone+long distance charges once were, it's still an awful money sink in today's market.

[@traveller23e]

@@polishtheday And yet that's fully a third of my total housing cost

[@TatsuZZmage]

The Current CEO came from the Azura Cloud division. and that is why HE is pushing this garbage.

[@notCAMD]

"You will own nothing and be happy"

[@miki_9034]

We can't even own a PDF file 😭

[@LDam-pf6lx]

Ida Auken will never live that one down :P

[@miki_9034]

@@LDam-pf6lx *Ida whooo?*

[@aquariandawn4750]

You vill eat zee bugs!

[@oseaghin]

Yup, and it's sad that Sam missed this in his comedic assessment. He was way off the mark.

[@n8n8n8n]

If they want users to pay for using their "cloud" they should send them these mini "PCs" for free.

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

Like providers do with their crappy routers already.

[@vueport99]

Calling it a PC is a total joke

[@aquaponieee]

@@vueport99 is it still a "Personal" Computer if it's actually someone else's computer you're paying monthly to access

[@n8n8n8n]

@@vueport99 Calling it a PC is like calling Apple the Tech company.

[@nosajimiki5885]

Oh, it can be like AOL cds all over again.

[@burgor346]

Microsoft was onto absolutely Nothing with this

[@miki_9034]

I only see corporates buying these as an office pc.

[@FreelancerND]

Nah, this is basically a thin client for corporate. Been using those (but from HP or Lenovo) for years already. It's not meant for home users, it's for a standard office workplace where you are not tied to a specific physical desk and can use any available, the rest is on the server side.

[@gagaplex]

@@FreelancerND It's quite odd how expensive it is for just that purpose, though.

[@burgor346]

@@FreelancerND true

[@FreelancerND]

@@gagaplex I do not understand why they even decided to promote that shit and who was that bright fella who thought that it's a good idea to sell thin client as an appliance to already shitty idea of Microsoft 365 😁 So their pricing is not the most concerning thing...

[@mithilbhoras5951]

You are unironically the best tech reviewer on YT

[@TheBlargMarg]

slowly moving into the "You pay a subscription fee to use a computer" ecosystem.

[@aquariandawn4750]

Disgusting, ain't it?

[@francisverhelst9375]

Well this will be the final push Linux needs

[@fex144]

@@francisverhelst9375 "Recall 24H2" Did it for me. Linux Mint + Proton for the games.

[@1stCallipostle]

​@@francisverhelst9375Still never physically witnessed Linux be used Firmly believe it's a myth like the fountain of youth and we're just talking up theory

[@rocketmunkey1]

If that day ever comes I'm going outside to touch some grass, then down the pub with my mates for a few drinks, and then maybe a spot of revolution !

[@PavelBukarev]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="162">2:42</a> - I'll take your entire stock

[@Maddin1313]

Just put all your data on our cloud, we promise we can't read it ;)

[@adamcravets5408]

Almost guaranteed buried somewhere in the terms and conditions it says “all information stored on our servers is our propriety information.” Or something similar.

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

@@adamcravets5408 Oh, and they will also try to decrypt whatever data you put in with any quickly available means.

[@carlgustav7196]

… but our AI can (imagine Sam’s voice here) 😊

[@udasai]

I drew a monke NFT with this and then Microsoft seized my $hitcoins. How can I make an honest living any more??

[@PCs454]

yea because they cant 🙄🙄

[@rocketmunkey1]

Apple "We're the most evil company in the world" MS "Hold my beer"

[@keithframe3489]

Nestle: look what they need to mimic a fraction of our evil

[@rocketmunkey1]

@@keithframe3489 Yes indeed the ingestible product industries are on another level !

[@kirby21-xz4rx]

Wdym? Apple is worse Microsoft actually has done a buttload of good things for gamers and business 😂

[@dtango3531]

Tbh the only evil things about apple (excluding business practices) are the pricing and ram + storage stingyness

[@aquaponieee]

@@kirby21-xz4rx Microsoft is just as bad, if not worse, than Apple. All they did was monopolize the PC market using anticompetitive strategies. Nothing they've done since 2012 has benefited gamers or businesses, the tech industry would've been way better had they not existed. In the past, they did many of the same things Apple is infamous for, but also did things far worse. Microsoft does not care about the user. they have given up on the consumer market. The Microsoft ecosystem is dead. Windows Phone is dead, Cortana is dead, Surface is dying and Windows 11 was not designed with the end user in mind. Their only focus is selling cloud and AI crap to businesses. Cloud and AI is what they are now, businesses are their sole customer, they do not care about us. The Windows 365 Link thing is a reflection of this. This product's sole purpose is to sell cloud and AI to businesses. They've cancelled their consumer-focused Windows and Surface projects to focus on cloud and AI. They know that no matter how much they neglect Windows, people will keep using it because they have no choice. They can do whatever tf they want, they'll still be the only option. And the only thing they care about is getting as much money off of it.

[@umutcakmak3221]

I wouldn't even watch this if it wasn't for Sam. That's how unnecessary this product is.

[@RaneKunLovesNightcore]

Exactly

[@pauldwalker]

i subbed because Sam gives a short, succinct and true review of these new devices.

[@zyxwvutsrqponmlkh]

IDK, that power button location is rather compelling.

[@ronch550]

It's a POS terminal. And no it doesn't stand for Point of Sale.

[@benonaru]

🤮no

[@MichaelChin1994]

Damn. That was really fucking clever 🤣

[@PixelSubstream]

I'd definitely say the situation is becoming terminal

[@mad_circuits]

Pile Of Sh...

[@c0d3warrior]

Uuuhhhhh 🤣

[@LunarMoonKitten]

everything M*crosoft makes is pretty bad that's why i don't use any of M*crosoft's products

[@johnnykeys1978]

there are plenty of folk who will - because thinking is too hard - they need tv to tell them what to think.

[@aquaponieee]

While both Microsoft and Apple do some pretty bad stuff, Microsoft has straight up given up on the consumer market and is rapidly enshittifying Windows and killing off their ecosystem of hardware and services

[@LunarMoonKitten]

@@aquaponieee i love Apple but the only problem i have with Apple nowadays is the fact that the iPhone 16 Doesn't come with Apple sticker 😅 but luckily i just have the 15 🥰 and i love it and it came with sticker 🥰🥰😊

[@darkplainsdrifter3499]

That's one hell of an overpriced sticker you were suckered into buying...!!

[@michaelzedalis4690]

You dont know half the shit Microsoft makes. Far beyond a laptop and a phone. Its funny all these years and Apple still has a low market share compared to windows

[@nyff83]

So basically a fancy, locked down thin client?

[@asagiai4965]

Or your router with added feature?

[@darrenfalconer3267]

No fancier and all thin clients are locled down. My take from this, it's a thin client for home use. I don't think it's a dumb idea, just not sure if it's a good idea.

[@nuribayram6740]

@@darrenfalconer3267 its not dumb because they will force people to use it while selling it to companies, but we know for sure that everyone will hate it, same with Citrix clients

[@meaningfuldebate]

The security features cost more than the pc itself and or the most valuable parts of the pc.

[@kirby21-xz4rx]

Yeah though all thin clients are "locked"

[@realfamimation]

I would have never known that this existed if it wasn't for Sam, sooo, thanks?

[@Hiltibold]

the return of the infamous "net pc" 🙃

[@MegaManNeo]

More like ThinClient that can be used by normies who run no server or Windows Enterprise at home.

[@p.c.n.b.6112]

Those things didn't come with monitor and keyboard?

[@blisphul8084]

This thing should have cost $25. That's the most it's worth.

[@JeffreyPiatt]

It's aimed at competing with Dell Wyse thin Clients

[@OceanusHelios]

@@MegaManNeo Normies? In which universe is that normal? It's like asking for corporate abuse and trying to be happy about it. Might as well just pick up McDonald's as a religion.

[@jasonc2784]

This is perfect for businesses that only need terminal users. Keeps company data in a controllable environment.

[@abef896]

Something is really wrong with the people at Microsoft these days....first withe the "recall" feature and then this...

[@kenamreemas3295]

Too many yes men in c suite i guess.

[@Drak_Thedp]

Should've been recalling Windows 11...

[@wishiwasaneet26816]

To play the devil's advocate for a bit, this does not look like a consumer product. It is geared more toward enterprise use cases, where having thin clients like this more common. This could be quite handy for an office with no assigned seats, and people wouldn't have to lug their laptops throughout their commute because they just connect to their Cloud PC or AVD. Depends on how well the hardware holds out, especially the compatibility with peripherics.

[@matthewjackman8410]

@@wishiwasaneet26816 I agree to an extent but I work in one of the environments you're talking about, running about 6000 Windows devices and while this makes a lot more sense there, we've had tools for hotdesking for decades. Any combination of Active Directory, File Shares, Config Manager (SCCM), Endpoint Manager (InTune) and loads of 3rd party stuff too I know hosting your own infrastructure has fallen out of favour with some people these days but the tools are ,and have basically always been, there. I will say if they heavily subsidised the price for enterprise customers invested in the 365 ecosystem to the point where it was substantially cheaper than a low end enterprise PC in bulk I'd agree but the price seems way too steep. Get these to about 100 quid per subscription or even better, free with the subscription and I'll be far more interested. And to anyone who remembers the multiple time thin client has been tried in enterprise, we're not holding out much hope it will work as advertised.

[@askeladden450]

​@@wishiwasaneet26816that is quite a bit of a stetch case tbh. A laptop doesnt even weigh much these days. Its like a thin stack of paper.

[@dmmgualb]

Ok, it's a thin client, but with a MAJOR difference: this thin client runs on normal (home) internet. When companies use thin clients, they normally access their own server from a local network, that was designed and dimensioned to support the traffic. If the server is remote, the company will have an infrastructure to support it (dedicated link, VPN on multiple internet connections, redundancy, etc). But for a user at home will be like: I can't use Word because it's raining.

[@lolbots]

silly boi

[@fuzzylogik1429]

It’s targeted to business not consumers, also most enterprises don’t run dedicated links to Azure or AWS. Back in the day you’d run private networks with MPLS ect. These days with SDWAN a VPN or central FW will slow you down, you just want straight dirty internet to get onto an the nearest MSFT interconnect given they run the largest global network in the world… 🤓

[@dykodesigns]

This thingy is just a thin client Citrix box specially engineered for use in council offices. These things have been around for years. Basically a modern take on the dumb terminal.

[@kirby21-xz4rx]

Exactly some people wouldn't get that 😂

[@TrainHeartnet2572]

Exactly! Why did I have to look so long to find this comment?

[@creandomentes]

Right, the problem is that now we need to pay for a dumb terminal...

[@КонстантинПономаренко-я7я]

Dumb terminal would be able to connect somewhere you want. This thing connects only to overpriced 365 servers.

[@abe9560]

Citrix is just atrocious... horrible

[@FireWarrior2013]

As an IT tech who's being trained in Cloud Computing (particularly in Microsoft Azure). I can see the market... But boy does it suck, even in businesses, not having the option to run local apps. Web Office is just not as pleasant to use as local.

[@Rabenov-wq8qy2qg5t]

Kensington lock??? Who would steal such a piece of ...

[@miki_9034]

Someone with a wobbly furniture might find this useful.

[@lawrencemanning]

It would also make a good doorstep for a cat flap.

[@Rabenov-wq8qy2qg5t]

@@miki_9034 😅🤣😂

[@JustherefortheLOLZ]

What, are you kidding? IT policy dictates a Kensington lock on every asset. Who else is this aimed at but the drones?

[@thereluctanthipster6075]

It's to keep people from flinging it out the window when the one server running one million virtual machines can't load powershell.

[@Sepheron44]

Everyone is missing the point...this is for enterprise usage, where you have a remote workforce. Instead of sending them a laptop/desktop that requires to be managed, send them a small thin client that can connect to the Windows 365 desktop. This isn't targeted at mainstream consumers. 99% of what Microsoft do nowadays is for business customers.

[@Jayden-lr2mm]

Microsoft putting the power button on the front is the only thing I got out of their version of Mac Mini

[@awdhootkanawade]

From a corporate perspective it kinda makes sense actually 1) most of the clients are overseas and we work in their network using windows 365 by using the company provided laptop which has just one purpose - open remote desktop and launch the instance 2) most of the IT companies recycle the laptops after their warranty is ended so Preety high cost of new hardware is needed 3) companies anyways don't want you to poke random things into a PC so if from factory it's not having much features it's one less hassle for them ( my company admins restricted changing the wallpaper also ) 4) so only if there was some device where tampering is preety much impossible, it can only do one intended job without opening any backdoors , cheaper to replace then it can be a win win for service based consultancy providers ( Pricing is kinda high for the specs but corporate pay anything for speciality things )

[@somuchfortalent]

Fantastic. Another product no one asked for.

[@trevortiernan8510]

Tbf, it’s a decent idea for cloud pc. But the price tag. Ugh.

[@janvrabec3401]

Cloud pc? LOL LOL LOL??? My phone run chip more powerful that this crap ever will. Cloud pc? I don't even wana cloud for my CAD. Nobody does lol.

[@zee-fr5kw]

companies asked for it, to many dimwits who can't use a computer

[@adre2194]

This is called a thin client. They are in fact frequently used by enterprises and very much in demand.

[@fuzzylogik1429]

@@janvrabec3401 now picture you run a company who hot desks, uses thin clients with 1,000+ employees.

[@godswillak]

"Well we couldn't have done it with the XBox One, we'd be out of business" So true. I genuinely laughed at that one 👌😂😂

[@godswillak]

Time stamp 2:19

[@kirby21-xz4rx]

Actually not, a full cloud Xbox would seem like crazy and be a good idea as a option for way cheaper then the Xbox of course

[@LegnaiaUnderground]

​@@kirby21-xz4rxThe gag was referring to selling the hardware at the same price as the number in its name. So, selling the Xbox One that way would have been basically giving it away for free, at 1 $.

[@777idkineedausername]

360, anyone?

[@smittyvanjagermanjenson182]

​@kirby21-xz4rx it's called the Amazon firestick, or a Samsung TV, or a smartphone. Cloud Xbox has been here since like 2018

[@medleysa]

Mac mini: “I have small storage that’s not upgradeable without shelling out a ton of money!” Microsoft: “Hold my beer”

[@kcuflaerehte8994]

This isn't for us, this is for petty cheapster employers to give to their employees

[@rechiecanonigo3800]

Which part of it is cheap? The hardware is over $300 plus around $30 subscription per month. So if you use this in 3 years you can buy about 2-3pcs m4 mac mini that’s at least 5x more powerful and can be use with or without internet.

[@bobdaniels3692]

@@rechiecanonigo3800 It cheaper for corporations because they spend at minimum $600 for the cheapest hardware but they are already in microsoft ecosystem so they are trying to grab market share from the other pc compeitor selling in the enterprise space and it might work

[@kirby21-xz4rx]

​@@rechiecanonigo3800what are you talking about seems like you are uneducated . This is way way cheaper for businesses you have no idea, do you even know how much businesses spend on laptops for a buttload of employees it's more than 340 per employee I'll tell you that 😂

[@kcuflaerehte8994]

@@rechiecanonigo3800 cheap is the part where the end user has absolutely no control over the machine he/she is using and the employer can have full administrative authority of the cloud environment accessed by this little device.

[@drfleka]

Your ignorance is astonishing. If you didn't know, some companies need just this for work. That doesn't mean they are petty and cheap. So why would you spend more money if you don't need to? Those employees are working (if you even know what work is) and not playing games.

[@mueffe1357]

Its a RDP terminal. You only need a user and password to use it. Everything is on the M$ cloud. Not even a PC. Charging 300 bucks for this is ridiculous. M$ cloud subscription alone is expensive enough.

[@peterdixon6807]

Aha the good old dumb terminal is back. I worked for a company in the 1990’s that had those. You could do work on it, and that was it. They’re stealing Apple’s unnovation mantle.

[@marekstanek112]

There are actually a lot of jobs where that makes perfect sense. But the price tag and the way MS markets their DaaS (Desktop-as-a-Service) is totally ... not out of this world, it's out of the universe.

[@tekha1977]

@@marekstanek112I could see this work to some extent in certain OT enviromwnts…….if it wasn’t for the Internet requirement.

[@belstar1128]

@@marekstanek112 the big problem is that its unreliable

[@InnocentiusLacrimosa]

Some businesses would save a lot of upkeep costs by having basically just terminals like this. Everything cloud hosted already, company files in there, less non-related use, less security risks, no upkeep or troubleshooting costs, no installations. Additionally for older people with less computer skills: chromebooks/chromeboxes and these Link PCs can be good. I'll wait for reviews to see how these go.

[@PlatinAviation]

"Chromebook without a screen and battery" 😂 Without keyboard and mouse as well... the amount of accessories needed to even use this is insane

[@coshvjicujmlqef6047]

Chromebook does not stream shit to the web

[@aquaponieee]

@@coshvjicujmlqef6047 Chromebooks are closer to standard PCs now, they run Android apps and Linux software now

[@SuzuBelle-w4n]

This is god awful for normal consumers, but if you're a medium to large size business this thing feels like it could be a great deal. Instead of dealing with a ton of technical debt and upgrading fleets of systems every 2-3 years, it might be worth cost-wise to buy a bunch of something like this as a cheap long-term setup purchase, and have your infrastructure be cloud-based: upgrading users' virtual computers with the touch of a button if need be I'd never buy one for personal use, but hey there is a use case for it out there

[@AllHandsOnEveryThing]

"Nobody is gonna steal it anytime soon", yes indeed😂

[@liquidpebbles]

That's an expensive dummy terminal

[@cjeelde]

And ugly as usual!

[@NaudVanDalen]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="78">1:18</a> or the keyboard or the touchpad or the speakers or the webcam or the microphone.

[@yenchey3270]

"Sustainable" and "cloud-powered" do not go together.

[@fuzzylogik1429]

How so? MSFT has a net zero target of 2030.

[@johnmiller7231]

If a company run apps in the cloud, which is all that you can do using this computer, then all of its documents are stored in servers in America. The American government can order Microsoft to hand over any of this data to themselves. There have been claims in the past that the American government has used such data to help American companies to compete with European companies.

[@zeniktorres4320]

Yes you are right on. Good to see that some people know this. Microsoft works very closely with the US Gov, in practice they are partners.

[@maksimfedoryak]

Much better, if US gov read our data instead of china/iran/russia

[@polishtheday]

The servers don’t have to be located in the U.S. All a country has to do is legislate this, and some have. It pays to be vigilant about this though.

[@fuzzylogik1429]

Microsoft run Aussie Data centres and are fully compliant with AU data sovereignty laws. Every State and Federal government agency in Australia uses their services. You might be confusing them with Tik Tok.

[@johnmiller7231]

@@fuzzylogik1429 It may be true that the servers for some cloud services are located in the UK. However, these companies still warn their employees that this is not universally true. For example one company that I worked for forbade the use of Google Translate and provided an alternative using a translator hosted in house. Another company I worked for banned an open source engineering design package because it simply logged every time that it was used on a server in America. Most of these companies also had a secure network with no internet access. This is sensible because software designers don't really need internet access and anything that they really need can be accessed on their phones without the need to potentially compromise their company networks. Company site wide secure intranets can communicate with other site wide secure intranets using IP tunnelling cryptographic units which transmit gibberish packets over the regular internet.

[@cjxgraphics]

I could easily see these things selling well in certain industries. Call centers, nurses’ stations. Situations where you absolutely have to be connected to a server to get any work done anyway. But for the home user, absolutely not! Then again, if the past few years have taught me anything, the worse the product the more people are willing to buy it.

[@musicalneptunian]

If Ed Bott and Mary Jo Foley say it's good, it sells even if it stinks.

[@mechalith2791]

Can't use it in call centers, nurse stations, etc. since all it can do is run the web version of MS Office applications, unless they're using Dynamics 365 for their MRP/ERP system. (And if you do, congrats, that's even more money you'll be giving Microsoft for probably the rest of your business' life.) IMO, using any SaaS software is self-destructive and short sighted in nearly all cases, and doubly so if it's cloud based, even if it's short-term expedient for budget reasons.

[@fuzzylogik1429]

@@mechalith2791why wouldn’t the online versions suite those use cases? Also you’re using the term SaaS wrong, Office 365 (even the downloaded version) is still software as a service. Eg subscription, managed patching, cloud compatible, continuous updates..

[@Katesgamingcorner]

If buying isn’t owning then pirating isn’t stealing.

[@justwallace]

For companies it makes sense they can control everything

[@Khorne_on_the_Kob]

I guess it's just a thin client computer

[@FindecanorNotGmail]

No, it is a thin client computer that you have to pay rent to use.

[@idegteke]

In the future, computers will have just a tiny memory - no, really: local storage and even computing power will be replaced by massive cloud connection and anybody can buy both storage and calculation power. People will only have to take a VR-like interface with them to live in their parallel universe (of loneliness).

[@JynxedKoma]

"You will own nothing and be happy." "We will have you prosecuted for anything the state doesn't like and you will be happy."

[@icantcomeupwithnames469]

Isn't capitalism grand?

[@ToshiOhMy]

Man, what a time to be alive. PCs that don't compute, prices that only go up and, more important: Sam Tucker, from APPLE, needs to work on 2+ jobs...

[@zDqnny]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="94">1:34</a> "I don't think anybody will be stealing this any time soon" 💀

[@keithbrown7685]

though they might get used as projectiles

[@Red_moon_717]

When a company decided to shut down itself.....😭

[@InvasionAnimation]

They can Deactivate the entire system and the entire thing can lag. wow thats dumb. Might even crash if the internet goes out for a second, prompting you to log in again.

[@nutzeeer]

its basically a constant stream. its a streaming stick like an amazone fire tv. just expensive

[@SaHaRaSquad]

@@nutzeeer It's not streaming, it uses O365 web apps. Though if the internet is gone the result is the same.

[@bigboi1004]

Let's evaluate its utility as a thin client: - costs more than other thin clients - you pay for a subscription just to use it, rather than something like a subscription for tech support - specifically runs windows off of Microsoft's servers, rather than being a remote terminal for your own hosted infrastructure. Who is this thing even aimed at?? It's not useful to random people in the public because cheap laptops exist, and it's not useful to enterprises shopping for thin clients because it sucks at being one.

[@TooEasyL2P]

1. It costs less than Dell or Lenovo. And by a lot. 2. A lot of companies use Office 365 and they pay subscription either way. 3. If it's enough what MS is offering there's no reason to host your own servers.

[@fuzzylogik1429]

Aimed at enterprises who hotdesk and use W365. Not having a go, but sure why this is confusing to ppl. What else would they use other than a NUC like this.. Wait till ya’ll find out about Teams Rooms devices.

[@CtrlOptDel]

Thick executives, marketing a thin client, with a fat price tag. Microsoft, putting the “dumb” and “terminal” in “dumb terminal”.

[@paulperry7091]

Underappreciated comment.

[@niv8880]

Some of it is that execs have to meet a savings mandate for their promotion. MS then sells Azure etc, at costs less than can be bought. Exec moves on. The company is locked into MS for the next millennia renting storage. "Can can't buy storage cheaper than we can get it from MS"... yeah. You can't have a moral compass, make savings and do the right thing for the people... or you can get promoted.

[@coryv5679]

There are so many small form factor computers like this already that are actual computers for around the same price... Lenovo and HP have been doing that for years now. You got the Lenovo ThinkCentre M625 right now going for $129 that comes with 8 gigs of ram and a 128gb SSD. It can also be upgraded. They also have the slightly more costly Lenovo ThinkCentre Tiny M60e for $399 which comes with a 256gig SSD and 16 gigs of ram.

[@polishtheday]

I looked closely at them all. And bought a Mac Mini. This new device from Microsoft is a dumb terminal, not a computer in the normal sense, so you can’t compare it to them.

[@RaulNigli]

What a waste of earth's resources. Way to go MS, with your gigantic carbon footprint.

[@fuzzylogik1429]

They actually have a net zero target of 2030.. aka in 5 years.

[@cjeelde]

We need a Mother Earth Reacts video about this 😂😂

[@cristianaguilar8686]

lmaooo the bill gates clip got me

[@Cattack16_]

They should’ve said the discontinuation date too in their long ass keynote 😂😂

[@jeremybingham2093]

They've managed to make an even less useful internet appliance from the early 90s. Bravo.

[@kutura_P]

Cooked? Yeah. Burnt down the kitchen as well? Yeah.

[@sindex]

You couldn't pay me $349 to take one of these, and then rent my OS and have Cloud-only access to apps.

[@sinborn41214]

I'm embarrassed to be wholly dependent on Windows OSes for the productivity software and games I use. I need to divest.

[@musicalneptunian]

Linux needs you. But that's a whole other Sam Time.

[@ManLikeJK]

"I mean we couldn't have done it with the X-Box One, we'll be out of business" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@cosmefulanito5933]

If a sentence has the words "security" and "Windows" in it, it's probably a bad joke.

[@keithbrown7685]

It seems like the bundled crapware, the telemetry snooping, the ads and the ads and the ads

[@BeefIngot]

Almost always nowadays, security is used as an excuse to squeeze in horrible anti consumer technology into products with just enough techno babble that normal people won't notice. Like with trusted computing and widevine.

[@emlyndewar]

In 5 years time, so many more will be free of Microsoft. Let them keep fumbling.

[@deltasource56]

its a dumb terminal for cloud computing for corporate use

[@Corne2Plum3]

I'd prefer a Raspberry Pi over this, it's even smaller and can actually store files and useful offline

[@Skidamarinkk]

"We started with the shape of a mac mini... and then gave up" Brilliant line

[@pedrorafaneves]

At least we put the power button on the front! Priceless

[@capnemo6576]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="130">2:10</a> Name in a price tag ! 🤣🤣🤣👍

[@cell718]

I'm taking them free Linux classes and jumping ship. Thanks Microsoft you really changed my mind.

[@keithbrown7685]

You'll find that some of the distros need more explaining than others, but not by much. You'll probably have a good time exploring what's out there.

[@setsunaes]

"We eliminated the threat of malware, eliminating the capability to install any software at all or using the hard disk"

[@justin6581]

“I cut off all of my limbs, in order to lose weight”

[@fuzzylogik1429]

Most corporations go to great lengths to prevent users installing software on devices. It’s one of the 8 controls the Australian Signals Directorate forces govt agencies to comply with - ‘Restricting local admin rights’.

[@Darthpiro]

"Windows 365 Link is for organizations that have desk-based workers and are using, or are considering using, Windows 365. Windows 365 Link is well suited for enabling secure productivity in shared workspaces such as hot desks, call centers, reception desks, labs, and more."

[@mike_cluett]

Congrats on over 400k subs!!!! its about time. Lets get Sam to 500K!!!!!

[@tuomashelin555]

I am naming this technology as " P.O.S. computing " - meaning: " Point Of Service computing ". All other connotations of that acronym are equally welcome :)

[@MP-vc4nu]

I thought POS mean Pot Of Shits, because if you fill that box with 💩, it will still be the exact same product….

[@aquaponieee]

lmao, this "technology" has existed since the 90s, Microsoft is just revealing it as the next big thing and putting a huge price tag on it.

[@smaug9833]

Linux has never looked more tempting.

[@keithbrown7685]

Just as a btw, I used to have a certain kind of faith in Windows. I knew that MS would trip up sometimes, but they'd make it up in the next release or service pack. I don't believe that anymore. WinXP and 7 were the versions I liked best. But it's like MS has gotten drunk and lost and it shows in their later products. I can't believe that any of their future versions of Windows will be geared to ordinary me, the user, because MS will be so corporately stoned, they'll never know again, what an end-user looks like. So this is how it ends.

[@Yasashi2588]

That's called a Thin Client and they have been around for a long time. They can be a serious consideration for Corporations to reduce costs and easier central management.

[@MattAmodeo]

Finally thank you. Absolute brain rot in this comments section. This is the only video I've seen of this guy and he misses the entire point of this product existing and makes terrible jokes

[@sceerane8662]

@@MattAmodeo The mistake is the fact that Microsoft is trying to market this thing to consumers as well. There's a reason most people have never heard of a thin client, And it's because every other company has been smart enough to know the public would hate having one in their home.

[@MattAmodeo]

@sceerane8662 they are very clearly not marketing this to consumers. You need an Entra ID to sign into the cloud

[@fuzzylogik1429]

@@sceerane8662are they? I can’t see any material that seems targeted at consumers, this video shows them being used in offices.

[@Sadicious]

If you don't understand the value of this product, this product isn't for you.

[@fuzzylogik1429]

💯

[@rutgerhoutdijk3547]

This is nightmare fuel, you have to login to use your own computer, then you get spied on by Recall, and you can't even run your own software.

[@niceEli]

Mac mini: gets smaller and more powerful Windows shitbox: gets larger and less powerful

[@deckscomm]

Im gonna lie Microsoft been really innovative lately

[@skycalderon6870]

Sounds like an old Chromebook without a monitor or keyboard

[@atlanta2076]

Microsoft NEVER fails to fail! 🤣🤣🤣

[@keithbrown7685]

"...and we never failed to fail it was the easiest thing to do..." 🙂

[@BunkerSquirrel]

Microsoft innovated so hard they made a Raspberry Pi that does less than a Raspberry Pi.

[@elbee2324]

Yeah, that would suck for any consumer to use. But in an office environment, a library terminal, remote office set up, it's designed for that. Cheaper than a full PC and probably easier to maintain. With less you can do and a focus on productivity, it's clearly designed for that.

[@jareknowak8712]

Basically not a PC but terminal.

[@Mindawga]

I mean the one place where this makes sense is for office-like businesses who are rapidly expanding and who need many computers fast. Buying a bunch of these compu-boxes makes more sense than buying a bunch laptops, until you actually look at the price. At this price point, you could buy a ton of elCheapo or used laptops. Since this is windows, the setup time and end result would be about the same. If this was priced at like 120 dollars or sumtng things would be different...

[@ArminSteiner]

Company’s that use special software can not use this at all 🤦‍♂️

[@thereluctanthipster6075]

Well thin clients (which is what this is) are widely used anyway, but I don't understand why. Having used one, a PC running 3.1 could run circles around them. Businesses buy these because they don't understand computers in the slightest and are being scammed into buying e-waste. So the price looks just fine where I'm standing.

[@marekstanek112]

The sad point is what THIS does can be done by a 15$ ChromeStick with a 7$ "docking station" dongle from AliExpress. Or literally any 30$ SBC with xrdp installed.

[@kirby21-xz4rx]

Absolutely 💯

[@Ivaneck_]

Compu-turds. Compu-turds, bundled with AGS/ACO techonology. Always Get Stuck/Always Cutting Off.

[@DinoGuy1969]

Kid: I want a Mac mini Microsoft: We have a Mac mini at home The Mac mini at home...

[@judewestburner]

Mmm... I used to be a Citrix engineer... In the late 90's early 2000's. We were installing networks of thin client Wyse terminals then! How times have changed!!!

[@darenabryant9100]

So... they made this thing just so they could say it was quiet without the fans, or...? My brain is trying to wrestle this thing to the ground and figure it out and it's like me personally trying to throw a buffalo down. It's like someone said, 'Lets make a computer. Except without all the things that make it a computer except the internet connection and the fact that you have to plug it in to get it to work.'

[@fuzzylogik1429]

Na. ‘More reliable’ without a fan.

[@zamirszn]

How does these products even gets approved

[@somuchfortalent]

They're trying to capture a market by convincing single users and corporations to store their data on their could servers. Once they're in, they're not likely to leave. Apple does the same thing. Rather than convincing people to buy in and stay with a great product and service, they're trying to trap their clients in a net that's harder to escape from than it is to get into it.

[@marekstanek112]

This actually is NOT bad at all. But the price tag on both the terminal AND the DaaS subscription is completely psychedelic and ridiculous. Should be around 1/25th.

[@johnnykeys1978]

it often has something to do with bribes / blackmail / a certain island.

[@belstar1128]

they can probably convice certain corporations to buy it in bulk who will regret later on

[@arbozaliyan]

We used own games, movies, computers. Wth is going on? You can't even own a computer anymore.

[@Level70-x4d]

The 365 Stink..

[@ZeoWorks]

It's a thin client, but for some reason £300-... You could just buy an android tv box for £20 and connect to the system with that, or better yet; an intel thin client for £20.

[@iFlxy]

Can't wait to see it being jailbroken and running Linux. Microsoft won't be happy lol

[@musicalneptunian]

jailbreak and run TempleOS. A huge improvement.

[@heyjoeway]

You missed the part where the lowest tier of Windows 365 has half the RAM than the thin client itself.