SAND OFF ROAD TEST - Land Rover Defender 90 vs Defender 110, Wide MT vs Narrow MT Tyres

[@LandRoverDrive]

WIDE or NARROW tyres, what do you drive on and why? 🤔🤔

[@davidhammond3336]

32inch tall with a wide mud chucker tyres on my 110 200tdi I do alot of work in mud and in a construction environment...my 110 is my camper as well

[@LandRoverDrive]

@@davidhammond3336 Nice! Seems like you got it dialed in. I definitely think a wider tire on sand is a benefit, in mud I’m not sure so I think we need to test that at some point. 👍 Thanks for sharing David. 👍😁

[@Predator27007]

All depends on type of sand and moisture content, tyre pressure, diameter. Sharp sand v different to smooth sand. But think...a Unimog weighs 5000kg plus up to 14000kg. The widest tyres Unimogs NORMALLY have are 445, yet lightweight little suvs have 305, 325 often. Look good but aren't always suitable. Lowering tyre pressures has much greater effect

[@mrcvry]

Narrow tires for soft ground. Wide ones have to dig through more material. Wide tires for hard ground like rock crawling.

[@Predator27007]

In mud, on a typical 2-3 ton gvvw 4x4 Id use 255/85 or 255/100 r16...nothing wider. 7.50x16 or 8.25x16 used to be std fit for European armies..mud, snow, ice. They are off road more than on road. Michelin XZL. Fewer shattered diffs, half shafts, UJs. Just air down where you need flotation. I'm on 255/85 now. 10.8" clearance under diff case 255/100 gave around 12.6" or say 11.5 at 15psi...with phenomenal grip due to long (not wide) footprint.

[@andrewhoward7200]

Out with a friend mucking about in Land Rovers, terrific.

[@LandRoverDrive]

👍😁 Best days are often just that, mucking about with friends. Throw some Land Rovers in the mix and it’s just perfect. 👍😁

[@strofimios]

Load index-rating plays a big role in a test like this.The 33 have a load index of 108=1000kg(C rating ,6ply) and the 255 is 123=1550kg(E rating.10 ply).Even with street pressure the 108 is going to work into offroad.The 123 needs to be deflated a lot unless you have them mounted on a HD truck,2500-3500 that carries some weight on the bed.I always prefer tall skinnies but they have to be deflated to work on light weight vehicles.

[@MrClingclong]

Great camera work guys!

[@LandRoverDrive]

Thank you so much! It takes a bit of time setting up and in editing but so worth it in the end. :) Thanks for noticing. 🙂

[@PLAYINGAROUND]

Work on your failed hill starts Simon. Stalled on a hill, hold vehicle on foot brake. Select reverse in low box, foot off foot brake, start engine and go down safely without touching brakes. Stops the risk of locking up the wheels if using brakes. Sand is rather like snow. Reduce torque at contact patch by using a higher gear and not too much right foot. Thus not disturbing the sand too much. Or momentum. Either way, try not to spin up the turbo too much.

[@LandRoverDrive]

Hey, I know I know, and your totally right... And I should really do it all the time but I got lazy I guess.. 🙂🙂 Turbo spin up, good point, will try and focus on that next time. Use the bottom torque instead you mean?

[@PLAYINGAROUND]

@@LandRoverDrive in general don't try to use too much torque. Snow means high box and difflock. Sand the same, if going the momentum route. If going slow the trick is to not to disturb the surface too much. As always with off roading, one situation is easy, but two or more at the same time and then it gets tricky. Overall, reduced the torque at the contact patch by not too much right foot.

[@vonflames9260]

There are alot more variables going on here than just tyre width. The TD5 has a widened control throttle band when in low range and a clutch save fuelling map which make it completely different to anything else when used in a comparison on this terrain.

[@LandRoverDrive]

I totally agree, so many factors. There is a great video on youtube, millions of views on it, where he more scientifically compares wide vs narrow, great video. This was more of a practical, have fun in the sand, test of tires video. Could be a car vs car video too, basically. 😊. Driver skills are a big factor as well. I din't know the facts about the TD5 so thanks for sharing that. 👌 I have seen the TD5 with the TC in action, and that's just insane capable off-road, and I would definitely suggest getting that on if people are more into off-road than overlanding, way better. Best, Simon.

[@RockmanDash]

I have never tried my mud tires in sand yet. However I did use my all terrain tires in the Oregon sand dunes with great success several years ago. If you click on my name I believe I have a video very short tho. I was always told MT are not the best for sand, I am not sure how true that is. Great video Simon.

[@LandRoverDrive]

Thank you! On sand I think it depends on the conditions, driving style and power. If you got enough juice I guess you can throw as much sand as you need to go forward with the MTs. 😳 But most of us don’t pack that amount of power, at least not in our Defenders. For us the bigger contact area is our friend. But all depends on the conditions, I haven’t driven enough on sandy beaches to say what’s best there. 😊 Yet. 😉

[@overlandready]

To be honest, most of the failures were purely down to not hanving the vehicles in the right gear or not enough momentum, so unfortunately not really a good comparrison. Also the td5 has a ffair amount more torque than the 200tdi. Great that you guys had a play in the sand which is always good.

[@LandRoverDrive]

Hey, yeah it's definitely not perfect and If we had the time we would do it more scientifically. But it was fun. Momentum is a great factor and I could have gone harder on the first try. But due to the hard tires it just started to burrow down into the sand. I wish I had let the air out of the tires but sadly I didn't. 😅 The 200tdi is tuned so these has pretty much the same output so I don't think that is a big factor. And yeah, it always fun to be out there with your mates. 👍🙂

[@chechen_power1jz]

From what I learned about off-road driving, when using low gear, use first gear on rocky roads. On dirt and mud roads, use 2nd or 3rd gear In low gear mode

[@LandRoverDrive]

Sound very right. 👍😊 How I learned to drive off-road. Second gear low being the favorite. 👌

[@chechen_power1jz]

@@LandRoverDrive thank you brother my defender is 2.5 petrol engine I will swap to 300tdi one day InshaAllah and start to off road like you

[@grahamwilson1358]

rubbish lol e depends on lots more

[@quintincairncross1088]

Another great video Simon! I guess you guys proved that in sand, a higher gear and some momentum is always a good thing. Slow and first gear low range is best for rock crawling. All you need now are Ashcroft ATBs' back and front. Carefree road driving and fantastic in sand and mud. Can't wait for the next one.

[@LandRoverDrive]

Really a lot comes down to driving style and here momentum. I have drive here a lot with all kind of different tires, even with winter tires, so I can conclude that the driver is the most important. I make these videos as simple and basic so people can see the difference and the similarities and then they can decide for themselves what they want to get. Glad you liked the video and part 2 will be out next Sunday. 👍😁

[@grahamwilson1358]

learn how to drive better lol

[@hidingin]

Ørjan's 90 has lockers - that is an important missing information. 13:50

[@LandRoverDrive]

Hey man, no lockers mate. By turning the wheel you change the resistance in the drive line which can change the forces around so you get one wheel that was not spinning to spin. 👍😁 But I got which scene you was referring without looking. Good spot! 👌👌

[@tombrown879]

Look like fun guys. If you get a chance. do an air down test on the soft sand, and film close to the tire. i have found that on my KM2's that when aired down, the act of the tire flexing back to shape when it comes around helps the sand dislodge from the tread . also what is your max revs on your TDI? and I learned a new thing, that the land rover seats are way cooler than my land cruiser. :) HAHA. You always have a seat outside if you want.

[@LandRoverDrive]

Hey Tom, I will make a video on air pressure later during the year. Good point about the tire reshaping and "throwing" /clearing the tread when it does. Would be fun to see that in slowmotion to actually see what happens. 👍🙂 Not sure what the max revs are, but on the TD5 on my Defender 110 it's pretty heigh. Max hp is also pretty high in the revs. The seats, a bit simpler I guess, with all that follows. :) Could probably drive a bit further in the LC without getting so tired. Yeah, bring your own seet.. I shoud just make a stand for it and use it around camp.. That's would give a lot of poeple a laugh. 😂😂

[@adamdisco426]

Love your videos, thanks for sharing your adventures. May I ask, why KM2 as opposed to KM3? And when can we get some merchandise., maybe a bumper sticker to show our support like Tirsbaek TV produce.

[@LandRoverDrive]

Hey and I’m working on the merchandise part. All about logistics and keeping the cost down for you guys. Problem is postal from Norway is stupid expensive so need to see how I’m going to solve that. Have some designs ready so don’t worry, it’s coming. 😉 As most people I looked for a bargain and fellow Land Rover owner in Norway had these and did not need them. The looked new and the rims were in perfect shape so I couldn’t argue for getting all new ones. Family got to eat. 😊 I will look into the km3 when getting MTs for the Discovery.. 😱 Thanks for your kind words about the videos, really appreciate that. 🤙😁

[@adamdisco426]

@@LandRoverDrive fantastic news. If people want it then they won’t mind a few £ postage. Have purchased some BFG KM3s on the back of your review. Looking forward to have them fitted and trying them out.

[@LandRoverDrive]

@@adamdisco426 👍 will make haste and get it ready asp. 🙂 KM3s, nice, I hope you will be very happy with them. I don't think you can really go wrong with a trusted series like the KM series from BFG. But it's all down to taste and feel for each and everyone, as we all have different needs and driving style. 🙂 They are on my top three list for sure.

[@pathumprasanjith8182]

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[@LandRoverDrive]

Thanks! 😊

[@ronaldrrootiii6040]

Long truck vs short truck wheel base though

[@LandRoverDrive]

Very true! Not to scientific correct this video but a fun day out for sure. 😊😊

[@DanielHeini]

Great video nice to see the 2 Defenders offroad. I prefer the narrow tyres in my opinion you have got a better feeling in the steering. At the moment i drive the skinny 205 R16 on my Range Rover classic, but on the repainted rims i fit 235/70/16 same diameter as the 205 but a little wider. I don't want to fit bigger tyres on my RRC because you can feel it that he looses power.

[@LandRoverDrive]

Hey and great comment on your setup on your RRC. Yeah I also prefer the narrow tyres. Erik's olso went for a pretty narrow cooper STT pro tyre. Looks great on the classic. Reminds me of old Land Rover series videos. Thanks for the compliment and I'm glad you liked the video. 👍🙂

[@thibaultdonis5201]

Hello sir, I bought a Defender 90 from 2000 in the same color of yours but idk the "name" (RAL) of this paint, could you help me ?

[@LandRoverDrive]

Hey man, I think Ørjan's Yellow 90 was painted in some random Yellow colour but I will ask him and check for you. 👍🙂

[@manx1630]

If You bought a NAS it is AA YELLOW LRC 584, (note that there is another reference pre 1994 MY of AAYellow LRC 559). The 110 is COBAR BLUE LRC 624

[@LandRoverDrive]

Thanks @MAN X - Love the LR community sharing info and tips like this. :) Should write down that code for my 110 whiles I have it in front of me. 😂😂

[@manx1630]

​@@LandRoverDrive You are welcome ¡.ha ha ha.... Then maybe You should write down RIMINI RED LRC 889 for The DISCO 3 too ¡¡¡¡

[@LandRoverDrive]

@@manx1630 Aaaaand done.. hehe. :) Need a bit of paint done on the discovery. Clear coat on the roof has started to flake a bit. 😅 Thanks again. 👍

[@marco_zero-4x4]

On sand like that, even 2nd gear is too low. 3rd gear with diff lock is what you need. Great video though 💪🏻

[@LandRoverDrive]

Oh man I wish I had a diff lock to play around with. 👍🙂 And we have had som bigger dunes to play around with I would have tested out third for sure. 👍 Glad you like the video, appreciat you letting me know! 🤙🙂

[@marco_zero-4x4]

@@LandRoverDrive of course you have a diff lock, all Defenders have a centre diff lock. My mistake, I should've specified maybe, I meant central diff lock, not front or rear, although I wouldn't mind a rear diff lock on mine either 😅

[@LandRoverDrive]

Yeah, no mistake, I got that. I was talking about a rear one as well. 🙂👍 Slow and technical is my favorite. :) More on this in part 2. It's out now if you haven't seen it yet.

[@marco_zero-4x4]

@@LandRoverDrive I have seen it already 😉 I was actually going to get 255 same as what you have, but I was given a set of 285 75 16 and couldn't pass that by.

[@andreas6962]

Hadde vært artig å prøvd kjørefeltet dokkers

[@LandRoverDrive]

Ja, det er utrolig mye artig der selv om det ikke er så stort. :)

[@HKptain]

Hello guys, very nice video and defenders BUT this has nothing to do with sand, it is clay it even has grass...

[@LandRoverDrive]

Hey, it's sand, just very wet. Get's super compact after heavy rain fall. But, it's not like suer dry beach or dessert sand, that is correct. 🙂 More videos from the area on the channel where it is mid summer and very dry. 👍 Part 2 is coming on Sunday so remember to subscribe. 😉🤙

[@josem.c.p.2980]

Buenas aflojar en poco las ruedas y poner la mitad cantidad de aire y ya verás como sube expresión bloqueo

[@LandRoverDrive]

Hey Jose, yeah air pressure has a lot to say. Especially in sand conditions like these. I will do a video on air pressure later this year comparing the difference. 👍🙂 Thanks for watching!

[@032254855]

what seats are in the 110

[@LandRoverDrive]

Hey Roza, which seats are you referring to? Front or middle row? Simon

[@032254855]

@@LandRoverDrive the front seats they look very comfortable

[@LandRoverDrive]

@@032254855 I don't remember checking the brand, was with the car when I bought it. But if I were to guess I would say they were from Exmoor Trim. 😊

[@LandRoverDrive]

@@032254855 And they were comfy, but the head rest was a bit short for my liking, safety wise.