SandBagged? Porsche Cayman GT4 RS vs 992 GT3 ANALYSIS

[@mgcharoudin]

This including tomorrow's video took a lot of my time today, hence a late upload. Also, check out new merch! www.apex-nuerburg.com/store/

[@Gearbhall]

I just wish it had a manual option. It is very nearly the car I wanted Porsche to make for 16 years since the Cayman came into existence.

[@davidsmall7676]

Already ordered!!!!

[@Nord_Mann]

@@davidsmall7676 same❤️

[@niveauto]

You have to look up the acceleration time for GT3 again! PDK

[@TheKaisersemmel]

Just made my decision and ordered the GT3! For me it’s just the more grown up, more sophisticated car and I always liked the 911s more. I will tell you next summer if a beginner driver can profit from the new suspension as soon as the car is run in and I find the time to visit its natural habitat :)

[@Leifi112]

To be honest. Ever since the boxter came ut way back people wonderd how a "big" porsche engine in a mid engine setup would be. And here we are! This will be a future classic just like the first 4,0 gt3. Huge fan of the gt4rs! and good analasys!

[@YachtReport]

I’m a 718 Spyder owner and I would have liked to have had that engine in my Spyder. If I was looking for a GT car I’d pick the GT4RS. I own a 911 also bit I think the mid engined package is better.

[@casual9982]

You have an amazing GT2RS, I agree with preferring a GT4RS for a secondary. Always enjoy your videos esysman🍻

[@7ludi]

RS Spyder in 2023

[@gionatapiga9953]

Oh yes In fact the gt3 r is a mid engine race car👍

[@samueljones3668]

@@gionatapiga9953 You mean the RSR (991.2) , the GT3 R still has the engine in the back.

[@h3lldriver367]

@@samueljones3668 Not realy - it's pushed to the front as far as possible...

[@bmwmpower8655]

Agree with all. Actually don't know if you noticed but AP "threw down the gauntlet" in a Motortrend review. To quote RE the Nurburgring Time: "This has not been enough to convince some internet personalities, however, who speculated the 718 Cayman GT4 RS had a braking issue during its Nürburgring lap, allegations Preuninger calls "downright ridiculous. I get very aggravated with these kinds of claims," he says. "They have no idea. Everyone thinks they are an expert because they analyze a video. The maker of that video [alleging brake issues] is welcome to come over and show what kind of lap time they can do." Misha, think you/Apex need to run a GT4RS vs GT3 comparison with a fast driver on the Nurburgring! ;)

[@giannisgiannopoulos2766]

You dont have to do it yourself to prove your point when you can see it clearly that the gt4 understeer in some corners or didnt brake like the gt3 its so obvious.The guy who sais do it yourself cant take criticism and i dont understand why in a track like the ring with so many corners you are going to make a couple mistakes say yes i did a mistake or two and move on jesus christ

[@bmwmpower8655]

@@giannisgiannopoulos2766 Yeah, I feel that was a very aggressive and OTT response by AP considering how big fans Misha & Co /Apex are of Porsche (and frankly do a LOT of Porsche's marketing--for free!). Porsche should be appreciative of it. Talk about Porsche biting the hand that feeds it!

[@basithph8958]

I love the GT4RS SO MUCH For that size and how nimble it is this makes a nice little track monster

[@adlibbed2138]

I would love to see the GT4RS vs Viper ACR duel tho

[@Nord_Mann]

I loved Preuningers explanation on top gear to how they didn’t fully commit to absolute chasing lap times, but decided upon making the most fun backroad carver with the GT4RS. I’m probably attending 5-8 track days maximum per year, but I drive every week numerous backroad twisties. I think the GT4RS will be the best hooligan driver of the entire Porsche catalogue ever made, that’s why I’ve ordered one and specced it today in guards red with black magnesium wheels.

[@urbly2638]

I’m can safely say I’m very jealous of you. Can I ask what you do for a living?

[@amazigh8776]

Very cool congratulations!

[@Nord_Mann]

@@urbly2638 don’t be jealous. A lifetime of working my ass off but made some good decisions at a young age, nailed school and have tried my best not to be afraid of jumping on opportunities. Working as a specialist in the dental sector.

[@Nord_Mann]

@@amazigh8776 thank you! Firs ever new Porsche purchase.

[@urbly2638]

@@Nord_Mann Thanks for the reply I appriciate it. I’m a freshman at a city college right now. I have $6,000 ~ saved up with some invested in stocks. I have slacked this year in college. I plan on becoming a much more dedicated student, I have realized that it is definetly worth the effort.

[@lambrosstamos4494]

I think you are about to visit Manthey for a special presentation sometime in the near future.

[@dougm1711]

I’ve owned 981 GT4 and 991.2 GT3 and I always thought GT3 motor in GT4 chassis would be the holy grail. They did it! GT4RS for the win 👌🏻

[@MrMBinder]

I love how the Cayman GT4 RS looks. Big money dream: a manual Gemballa modified off-road build

[@mr.carper5606]

Singer has also a "offroad version thing", don't think its gated🤔 Save the manuals👍

[@raghavsundar8253]

Gemballa isnt the same, Id look to ruf instead

[@danieldugas2165]

Great comparison! As an owner of both the 991=GT3 and the 718 Cayman, I love them both! But, the suspension makes a big difference on the 992 GT3 as does the mid GT3 engine on the GT4 RS. I’m buying both.

[@TRHardware]

Nice flex! :P

[@taliyy_]

What do u do for a living¿

[@lucianomoccia2735]

Great comparison, All the suspensions and the engine of 718 GT4 RS come from 991.2 GT3 RS without rear steereng wheels Not from 992 GT3 So the real comparison to do is 718 GT4 RS vs 991.2 GT3 RS

[@TheRacingGeek]

This is a great analysis. On the matter of the pricing, if I remember right, Porsche is marketing the GT4 as an entry-level track car, so I think making its performance comparable to the GT3 is more about encouraging customers to go for the GT4RS. But, you're right in saying that Porsche isn't sandbagging the car by simply pointing out the difference in the chassis and suspension. Good work there.

[@aircommandslipperz]

yes not sandbagging but clearly gt3 has superior suspension and chassis

[@vasek987]

Cayman is sandbagged from the drawing board. What do you expect? Entry model of performance car outperforming it's flagship model? Come on...

[@davidsmall7676]

Misha, very intense. I’m glad I don’t have to make the choice. That being said, would you be better off with a used MR GT3? Pricing and overall drivability???

[@tkmwong020480]

The drive away price after I spec everything is actually 430K Aud, which is relatively close to the price of a 991.2 GT3 RS. I think it is really weird that the price is almost double of a 718 GT4, and I never expected that they put a new engine in the GT4 RS because the GT4 had a 992 Turbo engine stripped off the Turbo and made it a 4.0 litre. I thought they were only going to beef it up to 450 bhp because looking at the 991.2 GT3 and GT3 RS, they didn't have such a great difference in power. But the new GT4 RS has 80 more horsepower, which is a lot more than the normal 718 GT4, which is strangely insane for Porsche to do that. It's like a completely different car, I wonder if the 718 GT4 owners would feel been ripped off in that aspect.

[@jezhopo7221]

Did you tick every single option? It's 300k before options

[@tkmwong020480]

@@jezhopo7221 it's 238K without any options on mine for the GT4. My friend bought his GT4 last year for 260K with his own customized option. I customized everything on the GT4 RS I wanted and it's 430K, way more expensive than the GT4. I remembered the driveaway price difference for a 991.2 GT3 and GT3 RS was only about 60K without any options. This difference is way more for the GT4 and GT4 RS.

[@LeniviyRU]

12:59 Real delta within GT4 RS & 992 GT3 is 7 seconds. Difference 10 km/h avg speed gives ~ 21 sec delta. So avg speed delta just ~ 3km/h. All numbers about Nürburgring.

[@user-od9iz9cv1w]

I think I learned more about these cars in 30 mins watching your video and then reading the comments that it elicited than I could have in any other venue. Well done Misha

[@splyce9712]

Fantastic video. Thank you professor Misha 🙏.

[@kleisthenis123]

Legend as always, this is the question I was having since I heard it was slower with less weight and better setup as mid-engine. Thanks a ton mate!

[@atl_e]

GT3. In addition to suspension, it looks better both exterior and interior isn't outdated like the GT4

[@bearclaw5115]

Nice breakdown, that double wishbone suspension in the GT3 is really proving itself.

[@w0utar]

nice video. GT4 RS took a different line through Arenberg than GT3, I guess that further proves your point of GT3 handling a bit better so allowing for a more hight speed corner? Or maybe it's just different driver preferences?

[@mgcharoudin]

More stability :)

[@RDSAlphard]

I personally would prefer GT4 MR in manual, I don't need outright speed, I prefer enjoyment.

[@grad0n]

Me too. Plus I’m sure you can get at least 450hp out of it with some intake/tb/exhaust mods and a tune that will bump the redline a few hundred.

[@looped7979]

But the PDK is enjoyable, i love it as much as i love manuals

[@johnnygoesfast9397]

Great 👍 This guy eats, breaths and lives Nuhrburgring Racing... Cant wait to see you win a race!!!

[@hamzasherazi9334]

Woke up to this gem of a video. I am kinda still attracted to the GT3 at this point. As you said more time needs to pass for the GT4RS to settle in. Love the launch spec. Certainly an interesting one.

[@eugenux]

was waiting for this.. thx! cheers and keep up the good work!

[@ZLAKLR20B]

GT4 RS is what I would take, if its a more involving drive, harder to get the best out of, then that makes it more rewarding. And its more unique, though I do still prefer the look of the new GT3, love it.

[@llamaesque]

Surely the lower 0-200 time of the GT4 RS would be due to the shorter gearing?

[@mgcharoudin]

Could be as well

[@Sayyaaf]

@@mgcharoudin Gt3 is 10.8 0-200 in PDK , I think you read the manual numbers not the PDK

[@MTerkait]

@@Sayyaaf could be miss type also, no way 1 second longer that's way too much downforce for only 200kmh.

[@SamAustin]

Really Great insight Misha. Thank you for sharing👍

[@gregorydahlen2103]

As an owner of a completely carbon equipped 2016 GT4 (which incidentally, I was told was the last of the model !!! Ha!), I thoroughly enjoyed this technical presentation because based on the information I had on the lap times, I was convinced Porsche was sand bagging the GT4RS versus the GT3. This pretty convincingly explains the situation. Thank you! (But I still think a rear mounted engine is just plain wrong... please bring ALL the GT3 improvements into the GT4 package and then see what happens!)

[@gunterlauch2264]

8:24 when your mate says your crush is ugly

[@samaaron1220]

Fascinating video. Great analysis misha 🙂

[@darrensmith9407]

Good analysis...be great if they put all the high tech from the gt3 into the gt4, that would be oh so lovely

[@mitchlguzin]

Awesome vid sir. Can't wait to see a MR version of the GT4RS... Happy Holidays!

[@yanick3194]

Great analysis as usual Misha👌🏼 Could you already find out why the louvers were covered on the GT4 RS record car?🤔

[@mgcharoudin]

Nope. But I was told that the changes were compensated on the rear too.

[@nemanjaduvnjak18]

Nobody can do this analys better than you!! Great video man 💪💪

[@joaolima9819]

Thank you so much for the effort you put into these videos. Another really great video.

[@marcnobel3938]

I love this kind of Videos! So detailed and well explained. Great work!

[@wszystkojedno696]

Great work man, thanks 4 sharing!

[@raullasvegas]

SInce you asked what I would prefer, the GT4 RS with the GT3 front suspension.

[@noahbirdrevolution]

Interesting. Still can't afford either of them. 😂 I'd go for the gt3 tho.

[@casual9982]

In the comparisons the GT3 looked like a rolls royce over curbing compared to GT4RS lol. Great video Misha, always interesting.

[@pkincy]

Misha, Thank you. A most excellent explanation of the cars and their differences.

[@anatomylee587]

Excellent video Misha! Love it

[@hamidq9547]

I have a 991.1 RS and was on the list at my OPC to get a 992 GT3 but have switched to the 4RS. I did this because I will likely get a 4RS sooner and I think it will be sufficiently different to the 3RS I currently have to warrant keeping them both. My driving is both on the road and on track.

[@Nord_Mann]

Perfect, and after having had several 911’s, the 4RS feels refreshing as I find the inherent differences between generations of 911’s quite small.

[@big-R]

Porsche has been “sandbagging” the Cayman ever since it first came out in one way or another. The first Cayman purposefully didn’t have a limited slip which according to a lot of people would have made it quicker than the base 911 in most cases at the time. I guess not fitting an LSD or having the old McPherson design is not really sandbagging but purposely making the car slower :D

[@Toymonkeyjr]

I'm glad because it's still a better driving experience and it keeps the prices low because 911's are overhyped

[@pin9r]

Double wishbone incoming next gen

[@Kmaaq]

You keep forgetting about price here

[@jsquared1013]

They've done it for decades. Now with the Boxster/Cayman, in the 80's with the 944 turbo, in the 70's with the 914-6. Protect the 911 because of the profit margins (or it used to be, now that they're primarily an SUV company, that's where the big money is, and the Cayman won't encroach on Macan/Cayenne sales 😂)

[@tamoorc]

The base 911 doesn't have limited slip diff either.

[@colinwatt00]

I may not be a subscriber, but I’m compelled to comment. This was an excellent video.

[@thesoberlyaliff8193]

I like you misha. Bcs you u/stand the engineering behind it & you know where is the weaknesses & stuff. Those things show the type of driver you are.

[@jomay7425]

very good analysis Misha!

[@HansRuwurm]

Excellent comparison - well done Misha!

[@Nord_Mann]

I bet he’s an ex Swiss Hillclimb Pro😎🏁

[@911Hammer]

Excellent video describing the differences. Well done.

[@donr868]

I thought last video you said there was some issue with braking and I think you illustrated the corner speeds of the MR GT4 were faster than the RS version. Seems like a lot of sandbagging of the RS to me? How does the MR GT4 corner speeds compare to the GT3?

[@shaneisaacs666]

Such an unnecessarily critical comparison between the GT3 and GT4RS. We should all just be grateful that the GT4RS exists. It’s an awesome machine.

[@mgcharoudin]

What part made you think I'm ungrateful?

[@jc4074]

The double wishbone and 4 wheel steering are the major differences between the two vehicles. The 4 wheel steering in the GT3 is a technological breakthrough.

[@rjac001]

"breakthrough" lol that technology has been around for Decades I remember Honda Prelude back in the 90's has 4WS

[@uhis1686]

4 wheel steering was on 90's japanese tuner cars lol

[@Banana-Joe007]

Super Video Misha 👍

[@ZLAKLR20B]

good video, also have to consider the gearing for the acceleration. With the GT4s lower top speed, yet less aero drag, you could assume that the GT4 has shorter gearing which helps acceleration.

[@PhilConradie]

This makes it look like there was more time in the GT3. GT4RS looks on the ragged limit so I do think it is close to its best time.

[@stefanroseEP3]

Lars' throttle application is so much smoother than the guy driving the 4RS. No suprise it wobbles about on corner exits.

[@JC7119]

I am personally wondering what happens when Manthey get's there hands on it. I think Porsche left a little something out of the suspension other then the wishbone/multi-link setup. With that being said I already called the dealer I got my Porsche from to get added to the list for the GT4 RS lol

[@Tyler97GSX]

Imagine a 992 911 S spec 3.0 turbo in a 718. 443hp with the turbo torque would be a monster in that car.

[@stanislouse4168]

Great comparisons!

[@Nate0493]

I wish they had offered a more advanced suspension setup on the Gt4rs but I understand that it’s a cayman and they obviously wouldn’t want it to be better than their flagship model

[@JacesOwnWorld]

If I had the money, it would be the GT4RS for a couple reasons: 1. Its a rarer car over the GT3, because it is the top sub-model in the Cayman model lineup. The GT3 is a mid-grade sub-model of the GT3 model. 2. It will be worth more in the future Both cars will be very fun to drive, and I most likely won't be able to drive either cars to their extreme limit anyways, so I can't really argue one against the other in terms of capability, so that is why I gave the reasons above on why I would choose the GT4RS over the GT3.

[@tubo777]

I love the GT4 but acording to what Misha explains, for the same money you get a really better suspension on the GT3, that makes the gt4 actually more expensive , you pay same money for lesser equiped track toy (not taking resale value into account), really a hard choice to make if you have the $

[@jsquared1013]

Bad price comparison, because he compared base GT3, not GT3RS.

[@shahkhalid9882]

Tyre and suspension system makes the difference between GT4 RS and GT3. Every Car has its own Character. Can't wait for GT3 RS Debut. Excellent Reviews 🤘

[@DanKlar]

Thank you Misha! Great vid.

[@HelloWorld-ns7gt]

Put the double wishbone suspension and active spoilers onto the 4 and it's game over.

[@dennygamble4520]

I have owned 986 Boxter, 987 Cayman S,981 GT4, 982 718 GTS and have driven both 991 GT3’s and 718 GT4 and I was on the fence about which to buy. I bought the 992 GT3 and have had it for about 2 months. I can tell you that, that front end is on another level. It turns in sharper than any street car I have driven and then the back end hooks up coming out of the turn. I love Caymans though and I will have a decision to make in a year or so. 992 GT3 RS, GT4 RS or I may get a 997 GT3 RS. I’ve never driven any RS model.

[@urbly2638]

Nice videos. What do you do to afford all of these cars, infact I’m more interested how you budget racing/tracking them aswell.

[@Georgekartveli]

I feel like GT3 will always do better driven at 10/10 on a racetrack. However if you were to put both cars out there in the real world doing spirited driving on backroads GT4RS would be faster and more enjoyable. Because you're not driving it 10/10 on a mountain road or a twisty backroad. And at 7/10 GT3 would probably not benefit from chassis advantages as much, but the GT4RS would benefit from its advantages.

[@denisbarry9436]

Excellent analysis Misha. Was it a surprise to the Porsche community when we learned the GT4RS would come with the GT3 engine? I have a GT4 and the only speculation I have ever heard was additional tuning and mods to the existing GT4 4.0 engine.

[@johnswanson6994]

The 911 is the highest profit road car (excluding the SUV’s) in Porsche’s line up. It’s well known that the engineers were purportedly told to ensure the GT4 would never beat the GT3. Plus the GT3 needs all those nannies (rear wheel steering, torque vectoring, etc) to compensate for the engine behind the rear axle.

[@RadDadisRad]

The new 992 with the exclusive design tail lights is 👌🏻. LOVE the look of the 992.

[@Mighty_Marty]

I agree... Starting with where the Boxster/Cayman is positioned in the line up in the first place. Sure it's the car that saved Porsche one time, but still. The 911 is what makes the brand and the GT4 RS is clearls positioned below that and btw.. We still got the GT3 RS to come. Thanks Misha for the analysis. 🙌🏻

[@Mr.Thermistor7228]

Gt4 instantly became my favorite Porsche and I'm glad that pretty much everything they could reasonably do to it to make it better with stuff already in house, they are doing. Not many car companies do that

[@kbk75yt]

Very well analysed be explained, Misha, thanks for that! This is the car everyone’s been waiting for ever since the very first Boxster was announced! 100% future classic!

[@keithrichards-io5db]

Excellent comparison

[@isaacnewton3498]

Great job dude great job

[@W0o0dy]

Great analysis, loved the comparison between the cars. Here's a question for @MishaCharoudin: if Manthey managed to convert the gt4 rs to double wishbone front and multi link rear suspension of the GT3 would it destroy the GT3's laptime without that GT3's aero?

[@mgcharoudin]

Yes, but you can't just convert suspension setup.

[@W0o0dy]

@@mgcharoudin I know, but just wanted your view as to where the biggest advantage comes from as I suspected it would be the suspension not the aero. So I would get the Cayman if I had to choose. I could maybe improve the suspension, I could maybe improve the aero, but it's faster in every situation except in the hands of a pro (which I am certainly not).

[@3xc1t3r]

@@W0o0dy fun fact. 99% of owners don’t get within 80% of the cars capabilities, and instead of improving their driving they throw money at the “problem”.

[@Nord_Mann]

@@3xc1t3r we will have to do something about that for sure😃

[@firststep7750]

You did an impressive comparison! Well done. Even with the all advantages of the GT3, the fact that the GT4 RS is only 6 second slower around a 20.8km track is impressive. The Cayman's performance is indeed being stifled by politics which is a shame; because it's 'ring lap time shows that the the 911's "little brother" has some serious thunder beneath those panels.

[@peteroverheater2645]

GT3 combined with the Launch Colour and Radio Delete Option from GT4 RS :D

[@rsasadamrs]

I saw the realease before this video amd was hoping Misha would react to it! Also the main thought in my head is what can Manthey-Racing can do with it 😈I'm excited to see!

[@h3lldriver367]

Going to sign a GT4RS with Weissach package (but without the wheels) today while coming from an manual 2022 GT4 MR. I think the RS gives me what the GT4 MR lacks - 80 PS more to pass slower cars like the GT3 does on the ring. Together with an future MR suspension upgrade (and maybe a coming aero kit by MR) it will give those GT3s a very hard time. And as you stated - it's definetly a better investment than a 992 GT3. Fewer will be build, it's more rare. And it delivers more excitement (at least for me). Those intakes right at the ear. My wife will hate it. ;)

[@brianhimmelman420]

Great video Misha

[@Bob-huisbaas]

Absolutely phenomenal work in this video. Your skill to analyze the car's behavior in certain scenarios is amazing. In Dutch, we would say: lekker gewerkt pik!

[@velvetjones1856]

Just wondering if the GT4 RS has the upgraded front suspension as on the GT3? Sure would help turn in.

[@Uathankicks]

No

[@olave.__]

Lo vi con traducción y la verdad lo mejor que e visto en cuento videos del gt4 rs 👏🏻👏🏻

[@SeaOfMadness]

Of course they sandbagged it - They're a business, and a profitable one at that. You want upsell people, give them stuff to aspire to, make them figure out how they can just stretch that bit further to get the pricier piece - Us customers don't really like it, but it's very often how business operates. The GT4 definitely has its own thing going on too though, now - It's not some poor person's 911. Ultimately I look at this, being someone who waited 40 years to be able to own a 911 and could never afford a GT car, that it's still just amazing that we are seeing companies like Porsche build these models, and that there's choice and differing personalities in them. If you want the 911 bloodline and the engine has to be in the back, you've got it - If you want a mid-engined car, you can have it too. Want a GT version? No problem! It's not going to be long now before cars are all electric, so I'm looking at the sunset of the ICE with sadness (and resignation), and loving every last fucking one of these beautiful monsters coming out of Stuttgart. Great video, BTW!

[@kikiopt6739]

Thanks for the info bro 👍🏼

[@taxidodger]

Great synopsis. Thank you.

[@donjoe2661]

GT4 performs quite bad compared to GT3 suspension and therefore also stability wise. Very disappointed in GT4 RS suspension and how it translates on track.

[@pedroramos4718]

Very nice explanation 👌

[@mochannel25]

I think quite a lot of the unsettling we see in the video comes from the strange throttle application of the driver. Especially at the entry of the Brünnchen section it was quite apparent.

[@Ryousure]

It's funny that double wishbone front and rear is amazing on porches. When the Honda S2000 has front and rear double wishbone and X bone frame since 1999.. Imagine a new design s2000 with a more powerful engine engine

[@mcgherkinstudios]

Fantastic video Misha. To me the GT3 looks a lot more stable and composed, particularly over rumble strips and bumps in the road, which makes sense because of the suspension differences you mentioned, but also because the GT4 has all its weight towards the centre of the car instead of having the engine hanging out the back like the GT3. Doing that makes the car more nimble (think of spinning on the spot with your arms by your sides instead of outstretched) but also less stable on the very edge which I think is what we see here.

[@jsquared1013]

The "instability" is not from the weight distribution (mid-engine is more stable than rear engine) but due to better suspension kinematics.

[@mcgherkinstudios]

@@jsquared1013 Wrong. As you move weight to the centre the car will rotate more easily. If you are on a seesaw, do you move more if you sit in the middle or at the end? The weight of the engine has to be accelerated sideways to rotate the car, if the engine only has to move a little because it is close to the centre pivot then less force is required to rotate the car and therefore it rotates faster. This is why mid rear setups are so popular. However this does translate to nervousness on the limit as the small rotations from one end finding or losing grip over the other result in larger rotations of the car and give a generally more nervous sensation. A rear engined car wants to rotate initially as the engine is accelerated to the side but its weight actually dampens the chassis’s nervousness and so it’s a little easier to control on the limit. Either way, this is not the only difference as the suspension is very different, as per my original post, but it all comes together and plays a part.

[@kiljoysvnzr0]

If only we knew someone who was an expert in driving the Cayman class of car on the Ring who could offer us some "Ice Cold" analysis. Yes, I think we would all have a great interest in what they would have to say.

[@SkyrimCZtutorials]

Great video! Thanks :)

[@Floortile83]

I really really want a gt4 rs. I haven't felt this way about a car since getting my 2018 m2. But I'm not sure I'll be able to afford it while it's still in production. All my money is locked in investments right now. Only way I'd be able to afford it is to take out a mortgage in my house, or another type of collateral back loan. Which would be ok for me financially, but I dunno if I wanna do that. I hate being in debt and have paid cash for everything for the last 15 years.

[@carlfrederick8433]

I prefer the GT4 RS in non Weisach form because the non Weisach still has the weight savings of the carbon fiber hood and rear spoiler but they get painted body color which I prefer over the carbon fiber look. I do wish that Porsche made the magnesium wheels a stand alone option available on the base GT4RS since 10Kg of weight savings is very significant for rotating not sprung mass. But that may be a marketing strategy to get people to take the Weisach package to also be able to get the magnesium wheels.

[@velvetjones1856]

With 493 hp, lighter weight and better weight distribution, the GT4 RS very well could be faster than the GT3 so we need to see what the GT3 RS does.

[@Mrdfastcars]

GT3 RS will do a 6.39 ring time

[@ernestchapel4411]

20kg lighter for 10hp less is not much of a difference. Suspension is better as well in the gt3. so probably not faster

[@sooofancier]

It might be true that the 911 GT3 is ever so slightly better than the GT4. However, I do think most people will prefer GT4 RS instead of GT3 because economically, it makes more sense; you get the 4 Litre Flat-6 engine as found on the GT3, You get the bucket seats, you can get a 6 point harness and on... Also, we might see a lot of GT4 RS' on Nurburgring as well, just because of these stuff!

[@6pistons]

The lap time of 7:04 on the Ring for the GT4RS is a hint of what the car has to offer.