Sandy Murno's: Thoughts on Tesla Robotaxi & Cybertruck tear down

[@amyniemann9564]

We all love you Sandy. God bless you

[@Dogman3690]

Sorry to hear about Sandy's cancer I will pray 🙏 for his healing!

[@andrewashmore8000]

@@Dogman3690 never knew he had cancer. Hoping the best for him health wise. He's a likeable fella.

[@Blade70]

Wow. 😢

[@CCGR-2024]

What kind of Cancer does he have?

[@gregzeng]

Sandy, King Charles of Britain, and myself here in Australia ask have enlarged prostate glands. We are all the same age. In six hours from now, one week after my prostate biopsy, I will ask my urologists to remove my prostate gland completely. No need fit it. The days of intense testosterone working have stopped for hormone driven creatures that we may have been.

[@ApteraEV2024]

Juice Cleanse ❤

[@richiehart7858]

Best wishes for you in your fight against cancer Sandy. You are an honest and straightforward man.

[@Tree.house424]

I love how sandy is a straight talker with no bullsh!t. Such a great bloke 👏 ❤

[@davidbeppler3032]

I remember when Sandy HATED Tesla.

[@WillN2Go1]

Sandy dumping on all the naysayers. That's money in the bank to Tesla investors. The only downside is it can delay the share price rising. A few years ago all the 'experts' said Waymo was far more advanced than FSD. How many news articles were about some EV that was going to eat Tesla's lunch? Being a nerd and a Tesla investor, I bought a Model Y with FSD in 2020 and have been driving it. It was clear to me that Tesla had the smarter system. For years even Tesla owners, who hadn't bought FSD, didn't know much about it. (I was at a Tesla owners even in early 2021 where two guys were speculating on the things that needed to happen for FSD to work. Dedicated streets with no parked cars. These were Tesla owners. Another guy and me were just listening. We had FSD. He drove all the way up Mt Wilson using it. I was in more of a hurry. At first I agreed with Herbert that right after the election the rise in Tesla's share price might just be a 'sugar high.' That was $150 ago. This is more people and fund managers finding out that FSD 13 is so far ahead of everyone else it's game over. Tesla investors were there first. ) The movie Margin Call was about unloading a stock that was about to crash. Jeremy Irons character said there are only three ways to make money on Wall Street, "be first, be smarter or cheat." Cheating includes insider information. Retail Tesla investors are all three, except the 'cheating' isn't cheating, it's not going along with the ignorant herd. I did this with Apple in 2008. Seemed obvious to me the iPhone was going to dominate the world, and like other Apple products it'll be the best tech, be a luxury product sell at a premium price with great profit margins. I decided that I invest in the smartest companies. Sounded pretty good at the time. Apparently it worked, and still works. Sandy's thinking and tear downs is a big part of the best Tesla analysis. When he tore down the Model 3 and said "this is engineering at the speed of thought," after Tesla took something he said in a video and it was in Model 3s a month later. He mentioned that he'd been in charge of changes at Ford Motor Company and one year he couldn't get a single change implemented.

[@Tree.house424]

@@davidbeppler3032 haha ill have to look them vids up and see how he picks the older vehicles apart.

[@MikeHewitt]

Prayers to you Sandy. I have enjoyed your wealth of knowledge these past few years as a TSLA investor. God bless and keep you🙏🏼

[@arndt3203]

love listening to Sandy

[@66ebutu]

Oh no! Sorry to read about such bad news with your health Sandy. As a former CNC programmer precision engineer, I value a lot your great wealth of knowledge and watch as many of your interesting videos as I can. May God protect you and return you to good health. I'll be praying for you. Thank you for your no nonsence reporting about great engineering. Peace. 😊

[@guavabakka]

I wish you well and health, Sandy. Thank you for the information and content. Fighting

[@thomasoneill7365]

Prayers for Sandy 🙏🙏

[@KelliSloan-r2b]

Sandy always a delight to hear you go straight to the point. No BS just a Savage. People need to Listen up. Thank you

[@andrewsaint6581]

God bless you Sandy. Take care. You're an inspirational man.

[@optimagroup11]

God bless you, Sandy. We'll all be praying for you. SoCalFreddy

[@rmc-worship]

I will also pray for Sandy 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 25 years ago God has healed me from Cancer 😇😇😍

[@bhollar6515]

SANDY you are a national treasure!

[@TSLAaddict]

Love Sandy Monroe and his opinion! Thanks for the interview.

[@scottslingerland3347]

Sandy rocks! Always so great to hear his point of view

[@darrylphillips6301]

Man i did not sandy was going through all that, wishing you the best my man. Learned alot listening to you over the years 💪✊

[@flyshacker]

Excellent video! Great job! I am sending this around everywhere.

[@radicalradzik]

Love that Sandy continues to call out things as they are. No need to mince words. The short 🩳 s and their negative propaganda machine are feeling karma for sure. Thanks John, Thanks Sandy!

[@nettlesoup]

John, there's a typo in Sandy's surname in the video title! Very nice chat and new info from Sandy. We wish him the best 🙏

[@lesbendo6363]

Good video Sandy Thank You!

[@TeslaOwnersSV]

Sandy is awesome

[@mannygee005]

lol, love it! Love Sandy... hahaha... Yes someone "criticized" the robOvan saying it's too low on the ground... and I wrote immediately that even I can "imagine" adjustable suspension height. They're all ready to criticize without even considering using that thing between their ears.

[@djwang06]

Makes sense to have the robovan have adjustable air suspension because of its multiuse nature. If it was a package hauling then being able to lower the rise would be useful.

[@jonevansauthor]

You don't have to imagine it. Get on any bus from the last fifteen or twenty years or more. They all have it since you can lower towards the kerb to help wheelchair users get on. It works flawlessly and quickly.

[@davidkendall2272]

Love Sandy Munro and his take on Model 2 and Optimus and all things Tesla. Sincerely hope his health challenges are resolved. He is an indispensable Toure de force for EVs.

[@piperofsimms]

Hi John, That was just fantastic. Thank you.

[@DavidMossMGS]

Praying for you sandy

[@charleskieser9740]

My Cybertruck has been great thus far.

[@richiehart7858]

Good review as it always is with Sandy. He may be wrong about the joystick though. At least one airline pilot who has had to take on the joystick skill professionally and is a huge Tesla fan disagrees.

[@tomschuessler7723]

Sandy is at his best. I just love his thinking process. when I bought my 2018 red, white interior, 19" wheels,M3 LR dual motor, there were only a handful Tesla's in NW Arkansas. Now I see them every time I am out. "I'm old and I'm a complainer" now too. People are actually changing their thinking on EV's and the FUD. The joystick idea is great. Keep up the conversation. Thoughts and prayers. If Jeff Bezos actually commented, I would like to see both he and Elon shake hands and truly "mind meld" together for the betterment of humanity rather than being at odds. If we don't blow ourselves out of existence, I feel so fortunate to still be alive to see the fast change and potential for us all.

[@edvinslagzdins5735]

The Johnny Cab in Total Recall had a joystick

[@dr-k1667]

SANDY IS A NATION TREASURE!!!

[@nvptx]

5 hours commute, on the Freeway to LAX airport.. ? that is crazy.

[@natehood6161]

57:38 Those blinkers are in synch! What does that mean?

[@CheeseLovingGuy]

I was underwhelmed by 10/10 because the bonkers part of self driving was already written in and then slowly the engineering guys started coming out which is when it started getting interesting. Not just Sandy but he is the best.

[@andrewdubose9968]

Sandy giving off colonel sanders vibes

[@petecunningham47]

Induction charging... EVERY destination should have them!

[@rwhirsch]

the steering wheel was simply a mechanical advantage device...with electronic steering a joystick would work just fine.

[@jhelotes5627]

Sandy is right about the future of car-stops that will be like Buckees, but better. The advent of FSD will spawn a whole new era of curated FSD cross country trips. The audio, visual FSD experience will be enhanced with wonderful and interactive personal trip advisors.

[@dennispolack4370]

It is unlikely that the connectors for the 48 volt system have to be bigger for arcing reasons. Arcing only occurs during the plugging in period and will not occur once connection is made. The voltage required to cause arcing in dry air at sea level is 3 kV/mm (or 30 kV/cm). This works out at 16 thousands of a millimeter. Please correct me if I am wrong and missing something. Also the current needed at 48 volts is one quarter of that needed at 12 volts and the copper required is one quarter.

[@ShellworldGames]

For the Model 2, just put a USB port to plug in a game controller.

[@JohnSmith-x3y8h]

Much easier to use a wireless controller.

[@JuanRodriguez-dk5zu]

Thank you Guys for informing us on the Vehicle Electric and feature Transportation System 👍💯👍🚙

[@NaughtyGoatFarm]

Ok, im all in on teala from a share holder perspective and also own a model y. My wife and I went to a music concert and we drove to the venue. They had the entrance blocked off with cones, and you had to follow the voice and physical directions of the parking staff. This is almost impossible for a self driven car to do. Receiving verbal directions from someone who doesn't understand the capabilities of the vehicle? Interesting edge case.

[@COSMEREAUDIO]

is this old video? i feel like i watched it before

[@trampfossil]

We need a heads up display and no screen either....or an AIR BAG type led screen...for the whole windshield...

[@JohnSmith-x3y8h]

Why?

[@mannygee005]

The "Ventura" freeway... I haven't been there in forever. Yeah that is one busy road. I take the 405 or 91 or what is it, the 105? But usually I end up on Sepulveda... sneaking around that side.

[@dr-k1667]

The next four years are going to be 'VERY INTERESTING" so I hope we are all ready for what is about to come!

[@jsprowse]

Fix the typo in Sandy's last name in the title.

[@seekerstan]

Joy stick: aperently, when the Tesla engineers need to "drive" a cybercab, they plug a game controller into it.

[@andrewashmore8000]

Could even just use a app on smartphone too , with on screen virtual steering wheel.

[@gregorybolin4672]

Safe for the driver not the vehicle on the other end.😮

[@waynefergusson9987]

Funny to me is Sandy talking about a joy stick control instead of pedals and a steering wheel - I have said that for decades and most people look back at me with a blank look ' and Sandy - vtol craft don't need propellers !

[@trampfossil]

Metro areas could use solar to supply the power to an induction charging system at stoplights instead of charging a road tax just sign up for using it!!! So could shopping malls!!! Stores and homes!!!

[@jsprowse]

Elon has already said that to compete in 2 dimension you go down, not up. Hence tunnels and not VTOLs.

[@eugenefleming1614]

Elon Musk is the best simplification engineer who is around today 💟💟🙏🙏🇺🇸🇺🇸😁😁👍✌😎

[@derek91362]

How many times can he say, At the end of the day?

[@johnmccallum9106]

Full service charging station with robots doing the service. They could even have tethers so the robots are always charged. As for ford perhaps they need to make a hybrid F250 with a big diesel generator and a huge battery pack to haul heavy machinery to the job site, power the site and charge the F150 electric trucks etc. It need not be designed for having a lot in the back but needs to tow very well. The back could even be full of electrical distribution gear and enclosures for tools etc. instead of a complicated transmission you could just have 6 wheel drive. For charging it should be able to use semi charging and others as well. Once that is available very few people are going to tow heavy gear and implements long distances with electric F150 trucks unless someone is towing something heavier to the same place with one of these. You would then be using the battery any time you were not hauling long distances or running a job site for days at a time in the sticks.

[@lean_sumek]

Incredibly 😊🥰🤣

[@Bognostrokulum]

If I had to chose, I would love Tesla start making agricultural machines. Just imagine you have a electric tractor or a harvester, that does quietly performs its tasks and does not contaminate the soil with all time of poisonous compounds, byproducts of the internal combustion of diesel. Not to mention that you could charge them during daytime and operate them during the night. If they are not equipped with Tesla's agricultural equivalent of FSD!

[@billbell3737]

I question if a joystick would work. I use a power wheelchair that uses a joystick and is capable of going 6 mpg. I don't trust myself even going that fast. If you hit a bump or pothole it jerks your hand and causes the joystick to move. I've found myself nearly crashing. I see a similar thing happening when using a car with a joystick.

[@Alarix246]

Guys, while talking about Vtols, I believe we need to try a man powered flying once again! I counted about seven reasons why we were not successful so far. It's a difficult topic because once you start yapping about flying by waving your wings, you are becoming a nutcase in other people's eyes. I'm hoping that the guys in the wingsuits will get there one day, yet they don't try more than passively flying down the mountain. But when you think about it, there are so many unexplored factors: 1) there are gymnasts who can get up on rings by the strength of their hands. Similar to Archimedes law, you need to push the air under to fly. 2) they say that people lack about 50% of their strength to match the ratio that the birds use; yet there are bodybuilders who lift 300% more than untrained guys. 3) even if the body weight would be limiting, there are guys without legs who could overcome this hurdle and prove it is possible and teach us. 4) longterm adjustment - we can see how the human body adjusts their bone structure to the need, like astronauts in the orbit - the body of a trained person adjusts to the needs. 5) we don't need a completely self-propelled flight at the beginning, we can have a competition of who can lift the highest % of their body by flapping the wings - the only thing we need is a measuring scales fit for the purpose - it would be great fun to try such a competition I'm sure I could go on with more points. All this needs is someone who can try and is normal. All previous attempts failed because untrained and unprepared people went and jumped and of course killed themselves. The modern training methods can get us over. Also, Elon builds a robot with prosthetics on mind. All we need is a prosthesis with finger bones extensions. Training with gradually longer wings... etc.

[@MichaelMatthewConnell]

Will Tesla be able to make Robotaxis and Optimus Bots "Gangstalking Proof"?

[@dyldog]

Didn’t even know he was sick

[@JohnPMiller]

48:46 "Did they go out of business? No." Actually, they did go bankrupt. The old GM became "Motors Liquidation Company". Shareholders lost everything.

[@rowanbroekman3929]

Really? They changed name and everybody lost their shares?

[@markanderson1974]

Informative interview. I`d encourage Sandy to look at the body of work of Prof John Campbell (on You Tube) and recent understandings of cancer treatments.

[@charlesrovira5707]

@26:26 These poor people have never a *Citroën DS.*

[@T8ersalad]

Independent front suspension isn’t good for off roading……. Its weird to hear him say that it’s amazing off road. We have seen otherwise

[@jamesbingham1007]

I imagine the next Tesla truck will be carbon fiber.

[@dadman9492]

Its lucky dodge didn’t invite sandy to the dodge ev introduction. Poor guy would not have held back and its not good for his blood pressure ❤

[@T8ersalad]

I sense a George Carlin in sandy as of late…… lol.

[@bluetoad2668]

Wall Street is short sighted as are politicians. The short sightedness of WS is a weakness of capitalism, in politics it's a weakness of democracy. These weaknesses do not mean those systems are invalid - they are part of the success. But if you're smart you can exploit weaknesses. In the WS case you do this with sensible investment strategies which exploit the long term.

[@squashduos1258]

Carbon fiber bicycles do wear out and loose its strength over time…

[@jochenvonbastianeller6865]

Elon is going vertical, but not in the air but in the ground

[@landokhan]

Every country other than the USA wish they had Elon directing their progress. #merkins4musk

[@andrewvercillo7584]

I love how Sandy knows Tesla will kill then all! He worked for everyone and knows how legacy auto works and how they can’t catch up! They have lost! Give up

[@TeslaOwnersSV]

100%

[@brendan9698]

After watching this video I have to ask, Mr. Murno how much Tesla stock do you own? I'm guessing a lot.

[@davidlife4983]

@@brendan9698 None

[@richardkule9384]

He sold what he had sometime ago.

[@Wordsmiths]

@@richardkule9384 ...sad to hear it, but understandable

[@JohnSmith-x3y8h]

Sandy has always been completely open about any vested interests. Your opinions are worthless. Blocked.

[@bluetoad2668]

One difference with Aptera Sandy, Tesla will actually build that car.

[@clnelson321]

Something to consider about Teslas infleunce on Trump, is how Kai owns a Cybertruck and undoubtedly others in the Trump family owning various Tesla vehicles. Kai is very happy with her CT and as any grandpa knows, granddaughters have enormous pull. EVs will grow exponentially under the Trump administration.

[@atlavi0]

Have you done a teardown of the tesla model X falcon wing doors? kzbin.info/www/bejne/jnPZiHuQhryVnM0

[@Wordsmiths]

That's a teardown I want to see! Those doors are more sophisticated than most people realize

[@Art-k8p]

I'm 82 and can use a joystick

[@mihokosymons5188]

Sandy ❤ 🙏 🙏 🙏 ❤️‍🩹

[@andders2477]

"Why do we need a steering wheel?" because it works great! if a joystick was fantastic it would be in every F1 and other race cars, they are not nostalgic. The robotaxi is years away, they need to get to millions of miles between interventions.

[@rodlynch2319]

Sreering wheels. All passenger jets come equipped with a JOYSTICK

[@gracemwende8054]

I mast go

[@Storm3451]

wow, an hour long podcast about emobility and not a single time environmental challanges or global warming was mentioned.

[@JohnSmith-x3y8h]

Probably because it’s irrelevant to the discussion.

[@Hoss4Blues]

Everyone has a blind spot when it comes to perceived weaknesses in others but totally ignore or mention inherent weakness in their own favored system. No political system is perfect, including the one many kneel at the altar of.

[@cuda426hemi]

So things will get nice and quiet in the EV future and then you will introduce back LOUD into the environment with EVTOLS? LOL You know it's the props in planes that make the racket .No WAY that noise would be allowed - like a billion little jets flying around - no.

[@freedaun]

A totally sober Sandy is the best

[@Jeffrey_Bezos_Amazon]

I see great potential in Elon Musk's projects, I believe in his engineering genius, in particular, I admire the FSD 13.2 autonomous driving system, which will bury Waymo as soon as it goes into mass production. Although I do not express explicit support for Elon Musk, I have always been on his side and hope that in the future we will join forces and create something that will revolutionize and lift humanity to unprecedented heights. Hopefully Mark Zuckerberg will join us soon to integrate his tech giant into our great project of the future. Sincerely, Jeff Bezos. Appreciate and respect Ilona - this is a gift from God for humanity.

[@danelliott3335]

Self driving Amazon trucks and Optimus working in shipping warehouses and dropping off packages. Talk about efficiency!

[@teremareraki2234]

China just waiting for musk to improve the fsd technology and they will steal it and quickly mass produce fsd and f..ks up everything to make quick money for them.

[@lencumbow]

Zuck is poison. Stay away from him.

[@davidhancock91]

Musk should concentrate on Tesla’s serious projects and Space X. Get out of politics , and spending all day tweeting nonsense.

[@davidsc4680]

wtf is this😂. I hope you don't expect us to believe you're Bezos. Jeez

[@stevegroen1116]

Yeah I heard electric cars cause Hurricanes.

[@erikral]

Sandy, always one to mince words: Marketing is propaganda. The Nazis used Marketing, too. 😂

[@trampfossil]

When di tiy gyts tgubj Tesla will sell Roller Scates for customizers to be creative with? I want a SIMI Roller Scate now!!!

[@Gonegonegone977]

We will see if UAW forces Trump to sanction Chinese EV’s.

[@markgrayson7514]

Gen Alpha - on track not to develop basic skills like driving, typing, or crisis management, and when a crisis occurs and its their turn, they'll fail. Gen 'Beta' will see Gen Alpha as a fluke due to dynamics like woke-ism, and Gen Alpha will be the brunt of jokes for decades.

[@jacdragan8918]

Rivian should be bankrupt. More of my tax dollars keeping them going. $6.6 BILLION!

[@barefootID]

Trump 2024 is the best thing for America and the World.

[@happyhealthylife4ever]

Surely not… This will be undoubtedly be the most corrupt and incompetent government in history. Moreover, voting for a fascist government simply to reduce regulations or social security is utterly unacceptable. Social security, workers’ protections, and similar measures are not about “wokeness” - they are about common sense and basic human decency.

[@billdale1]

BarefootID: NO WAY! Trump is a felon, and has NO INTENTION of following through with his campaign promises! He is going to SCREW US OVER ROYALLY! Be careful what you wish for, because you're talking about the same con man that told us we didn't need face masks, social distancing or vaccimes during the pandemic because it interfered with his campaign, and resulted in hundreds of thousands of extra American deaths. The same jackass that lost a $25 million lawsuit by students in "Trump University... it would take an encyclopedia to tabulate all of his brazen crimes against Americans! He will CONTINUE to openly ravage Americans when he gets back in, because a highly corrupt SCOTUS will protect him all the way!

[@litestuffllc7249]

Did Sandy mention that Tesla hasn't made any Robotaxis (other than a few non full function demos) and Tesla has yet to make 50,000 cybertrucks in a year? Ford made 150,000 F150 Lightnings the first year. Doesn't this boil down to a lot of hype about vehicles that barely exist? What happened to the new Tesla Roadster? How come they are not making the Model 3, Model Y and X and all the line with the 4680 battery as originally planned? I realize Sandy is just a paid dupe hype machine for Tesla but at what point are you just a big fat ass liar? If you want to say you are a consultant and obective; then you have to tell both sides of the facts - incuding all the negatives.

[@JohnSmith-x3y8h]

Please explain how Tesla have sold more Cybertrucks than all the other EV trucks combined.

[@litestuffllc7249]

@@JohnSmith-x3y8h Obvioiusly Tesla has NOT sold more EV trucks - total Cybertruck production as of Dec 2024 is 48,500. As noted compared to the first year of F150 lightning alone Ford. Ford Actually made more than they sold. Evidently no one really wants EV trucks as Tesla somehow lost 2 million reservations they had for the Cybertruck. You can now buy one with no wait. F150 Lightning numbers alone are 2022 14,000, 2023 24,000 and 2024 - approx 45,000. Ford actually had over produced & paused production in 2024. Thus Ford Alone has sold about twice as many EV trucks as Tesla. Then you have the other makes. SO the only way Tesla could make that claim would have been during Ford's pause when Telsa may have sold more during a select month not the year or total production.

[@JohnSmith-x3y8h]

@ Blatant lies. The figures are clear, go see for yourself. Blocked

[@AshrafSserubiri-ud1fi]

What type n stage of cancer does he have??

[@jmontgomry1]

2,975 days since Elon Musk started charging Tesla customers for 'self driving' that he said would be able to drive from Los Angeles to New York city with no human intervention by the end of 2017. (10/19/2016)

[@waynerussell6401]

Done August 24th, 2016, at 0126hr PST, a 2016 Tesla Model S 90D departed the Portofino Inn in Redondo Beach, California. The team of Alex Roy, Warren “Mr. X” Ahner & Franz Aliquo transited 2,877 miles to the Red Ball Garage in New York City in precisely 55 hours, shattering the Electric Vehicle (EV) Cannonball record by 2 hours & 48 minutes. The trio also set a new Autonomous Driving (AD) Cannonball record, using Tesla’s semi-AD Autopilot 7 97.7% of the time.

[@jmontgomry1]

@@waynerussell6401 It's the 3% that gets you killed.

[@billybobbob3003]

tesla cyberscam

[@JohnSmith-x3y8h]

If you don’t want people to think you’re a clueless troll then you have to say WHY it’s a scam.

[@wbwarren57]

Sandy Monroe has sold out completely! Yes, the cyber truck and even the cyber taxi may have interesting engineering inside them. But they don’t work as whole packages. No one is buying the cyber truck anymore because it’s too big. It’s too heavy. It doesn’t really go off road And many other reasons make it a poor choice as a pick up truck. The cyber taxi seats, two people and depends on full self driving working. Full self driving still does not work after years of development and probably will never work, especially if Tesla continues to insist on only using simple cameras as sensing devices. When Sandy Monroe talks about the cyber truck or the cyber taxi or other Tesla vehicles, he is being distracting that in reality these vehicles are failures. What Sandy Monroe is saying is worse than worthless. The real question is, why did Sandy Monroe sell out to support Elon? How much money did they pay him to throw away all of his reputation?

[@andrewashmore8000]

Indeed , it does seem that way. Money talks I guess. I think your wrong on the FSD though , it will work, and work very well. It will save Tesla. If need proof check out Wayve , British self driving company. Its seems to me Tesla is closely following there lead . Camera will be eneough to do the job. Cost is super important, hence only cameras. Have to succed on cost to win. All in , Sandy heart in the right place , he wants Tesla to win, and that's a good thing for America. Even if means a bit over the top hype talk.

[@mallamal5578]

You drive with your eyes and your brain. You do not have radar or lidar in your body. Thus is what teska are doing, cameras (eyes) and brain (neural nets). It is difficult to do, but teslas already are safer and better drivers than humans.

[@austinzizzi1142]

Do you realize the cyber truck is the best selling EV truck in America by a long margin and the third best selling EV behind only the model Y and model 3?

[@wbwarren57]

@ I’m not as bullish on full self driving as you are. Rain fog snow dark all defeat the Mark one eyeball which is the best optical system in the world. I will only believe that full self driving works when it is turned over to an independent test organization That we can really trust and not one that is paid off like sending Monroe seems to be.

[@wbwarren57]

@ Cameras are much inferior to eyes and neural networks are much inferior to brains. I will not believe that full self driving actually works until an independent entity, actually conducts rigorous testing on it and publishes the test plans and the test results. If full self driving is so good, why hasn’t Tesla had this done yet? Why hasn’t Tesla turned it over to insurance companies for their testing? I think the simple answer is that full self driving does not work and as long as Tesla can keep promising that the next version of full self driving will be perfect and the stock price of Tesla keeps going up, I don’t think they will invest in any independent testing. Remember the stock market Maxim “buy on rumor sell on news“. As long as Tesla can keep promising that the very next version will be the one that finally succeeded (and there is no real news from an independent test), people will keep buying Tesla stock or at least that’s what they hope.