SANGUINIUS AND THE SILENT KING! WHAT IS THE TRUTH OF THEIR PAST?

[@Lornext]

It doesnt really matter how the two came in contact, but it is definitely likely that both of them knew by that point what disaster was to come in the future with the tyranids.

[@samg7430]

A few things to consider here: For the SK to honour a being he considers beneath even the lowest of the Necrons is telling. To do that he had to know the character of Sanguinius deeply to make the judgement of him being worthy of approaching and forming a pact with. So if they didn't meet directly, clearly Szarek's Triarch Praetorians were busy in the galaxy collecting information (as mentioned in the lore) and clearly that was being related to Szarek (not mentioned in the lore). So despite his exile, Szarek was very much aware of the events in the galaxy whilst most of his people slept. I suspect for that reason though they didn't actually meet. It is possible that Szarek knew of the impending Tyranid threat and was seeking allies (just as with Dante) because his own forces were dormant, scattered and due to the SK destroying his control over the whole Necron race, fractured. In a word, weak. He may have been looking for an ally to buy time for his forces to come together.. or.. as with Dante's angels.. a race to use and then discard when no longer useful. It is likely SK chose Sanguinius over the Emperor precisely because he considered him to be more reasonable.. or malleable.

[@ryansauchuk7290]

even SK knows Sanguinius Is Best Hawk Boy

[@ivylt1274]

You could say the same thing for Guilliman as well. He is another one of the more rational primarchs like the angel. But I guess Szarek trusted the angel because of the info he might've recieved of him. If somehow they ever met it would make for a great interaction.

[@justinanderson2460]

If Szarekh had any indication of Sanguinius' ability to see the future this would only strengthen Sangy's position as being uniquely likely to get on board with an alliance with Szarekh as well. How the Silent King could have this knowledge could be justified in any number of ways (you have an examplenof one through the Triarch Praetoeoans or another might be that the SK has been back longer than is "common" knowledge. For all we know, he saw the Tyranids turn towards the Mily Way and decided to come back then - driving sometime in the Horus Heresy and through the Intel he could gain, deduced Sanguinius was uniquely suited to being a good ally. Sanguinius was favoured among the Emperor's sons and beloved by all, had glimpses into the future that he couldn't always understand (but enough to give him a general idea) almost naive in his compassionate and somewhat trusting nature at times, one of the most reasonable of humanity's influencing voices and with a genuine wish to safeguard the Galaxy - the perfect ally. . I imagine if they did manage to meet, Sanguinius would have responded promisingly (especially if he'd already had a glimpse of the impending doom of the 'Nids - or even just a vision of doom that this strange Xeno might be able to explain) but ultimately been forced to focus on the Heresy first and as such, been unable to pursue anything concrete with Szarekh until after it was dealt with. Szarekh would nhave likely seen the whole thing as an utterly insignificant family squabble and likely just dismissed it as something that he could wait out - only to be a little miffed that Sanguinius had gone and gotten himself killed before he could agree to aid Szarekh against a "real problem". . Regardless, I think your breakdown works very well if we're going with the idea that Szarekh wasn't present until after Sanhuinius' death and makes the most sense.

[@Deamon93IT]

There is also another possibility: the two could have (for a lack of a better term) met during a vision or something to that nature. That would help reconcile everything, although it is undoubtedly quite a stretch

[@ekulerudamuru]

You have galaxy ending, reality bending, literal gods in this universe, I don't think it's a stretch

[@wanderingpaws3111]

I believe that is the way they will take it. For sure.

[@cas-17]

I dig this idea although I just don’t know if it’s a vision due to the necrons having an aversion to warp related phenomena

[@henryviiifake8244]

I thought the Necrons were anathema to warp shannanigans? 🤨 Unless the Necrons used a device to basicall have a mind-to-mind connection in real space (like a more primitve version of the Necrons' own interstitial node communication). But that begs the question(s): how would the Necrons affix such a device to a being to throws hands with Greater Demons of Khorn *for sport* or, if it wasn't done by force, _why_ Sanguinius would allow the Necrons to do such a thing to him (e.g. I don't expect him to have allowed it out of overconfidence in his abilities like Magnus trying to bargain with Tzeench or Fulgrim vs the Eldari Farseers)?

[@Peter-by3ox]

defo something like this or via a bit of tech that got destroyed, they must have a record of the Angels face to make the mask, which in itself is a sign of honour from the skelly boys to the Angel. Sanguinius was not averse to bending rules or perceived truth to suit his own needs and the story of how the Necorns were betrayed would have resonated with him emotionally.

[@silversurfer8818]

I think we can expect something truly remarkable, there must be a reason as to why the primarch book of sanguinius will be the 2nd to last in the series. Perhaps he had the foresight where the universe wouldn't not survive without his interactions with the silent king and the necrons.

[@clementcate4730]

I was thinking something similar. Sanguinius having premonitions means he could have very well had a feeling or a peek in the doom that are the Tyranids, or even Chaos, without truly understanding it. Necrons on the other hand, have access to time-fuckery technology, able to just visit the past and future and witness all kind of stuff "live", even sometimes interact with it. With this technology, Szarekh could very well KNOW about Sanguinius's premonitions, and thus would gamble that since this Primarch has some understanding of the terrible foes the galaxy will face, he would be the most likely to consider an alliance. It's even possible that he had started to make contact with Sanguinius discretely, but... Horus happened, and oopsies ensued.

[@justinanderson2460]

@@clementcate4730+ I don't even think the Necron time-fuckery tech is needed for this theory to work. I think it is possible that Szarekh returned to the Galaxy earlier than is common knowledge (having seen the Tyranids and NOPE'd right back to the Galaxy - possibly after noticing the Tyranids turning towards the Milky Way after the issue with the Pharos device) and, through whatever means of intel gathering he might have had, figured out Sanguinius was the best bet to try and contact due to his visions and temperament and penchant for common sense. . This would also mean that he was getting to our Glorious Hawk Boy during the Heresy and, as a result, may have initially met with a positive reaction but one that was essentially: "Ok weird metal guy, your words somewhat line up with my visions of impending doom that I don't really understand atm so perhaps we can work something out if we discuss this further however, I kinda got hands full right now and I need to sort this shit out so the Galaxy isn't destroyed and the Imperium isn't useless before this "doom" even gets here. I mean, it sounds like we have a fair bit of time up our sleeves anyway so, I'll get back to you when I'm done with this civil war." To which I imagine the Silent King was like: "..." And then his nominated speaker was like: "Sounds good, the Silent King can wait for you to work out your little family squabble to and then we can focus on a real problem. Good luck, have fun, talk soon." . I imagine that Szarekh would have found the entire Heresy to be pretty insignificant overall so would have likely just gone about making preparations under the radar while it was going on. Just sucks for him that Sanguinius got killed and he then had to go about trying to find someone else who could feasibly take Sanguinius place - something I think he would have been pretty unable to do considering Sanguinius being such a uniquely desirable option for an "ally".

[@clementcate4730]

@@justinanderson2460 and so he went and made the Tau :D That's it, we win WH40k !

[@justinanderson2460]

@@clementcate4730+ Oh shit... we did it. GW I hope you're out here taking notes. XD I just thought... The irony of Eldrad and the Eldar occasionally helping the Tau advance technologically, not realising they are actually creation of the Necrons because they are too focused on the future to bother looking into the past.

[@13931411119]

Is there a possibility, no matter how small, that Szarekh lied about meeting Sanguinius?

[@scottphillips8607]

Imagine if he had approached Perturabo. Imagine Perturabo instantly understanding Necron technology and adapting it

[@Son.D.Lollipop]

I feel like the necrons would still punk his bitch ass out with their crypttechs

[@killinspecialist1965]

That would be amazing

[@NoName-lo9ym]

I think Perturabo would have even cracked a smile

[@riverraven7359]

An Obliterator spamming Gauss beams and graviton rays. Fk that on the tabletop, you'd be infantry spanking titans...

[@magearamil8626]

I still think most necron technology we see is like our calculators and toasters. Even if Perturabo sees it and understands it, he wouldn't be able to utilize true weapons, like battleships etc. for that example and god shattering weapons for necrons. Also there is a possibility that even basic Necron tech is beyond his "instant" understanding primarch powers simply due to it being even beyond what Emperor knew when he created him. Remember that all necron tech is A LIMIT of science, you CAN'T be more scientifically advanced than them, you can simply sidegrade. Why? Simple, litteral gods of physical universe (aka. gods of science) teached Necrons how to build all this weapons. Both possibilities are interesting to consider. Also currently, Lorewise, Perturabo actually should have fought some Necrons himself..... So why Iron Warriors are not using some broken necron tech???

[@Duppyman695]

The Silent King just has an Angel fetish, we have all been there, sitting on a throne wearing our Death Mask dreaming about a blonde!

[@jeffreypeters7225]

Wouldn't the obvious solution be that the Pharos's destruction was seen by the Silent King and he came to investigate and found Imperium Secundus and Sanguinius?

[@justinanderson2460]

Perhaps. Although, considering the Necrons having no warp presence and their massive aversion to it, it would seem more reasonable to assume that the Pharos device being overloaded attracted the Tyranids and Szarekh, seeing the 'Nids turning towards the Milky Way, basically NOPE'd his way back to the Galaxy and we continued from there.

[@CadianColors]

Exactly my thoughts

[@primarisgainssbbg3038]

Here is a thought...perhaps the Silent King had some nano scarabs that allowed him to monitor all of the galaxy from whatever craft he was on. He saw all the things occur from the fall of the Aeldari to the Great Crusade and the first TYRANIDS invasion. Perhaps he admired Sanguinus upon seeing him through such tech and kept a close eye on him.

[@justinanderson2460]

I very much doubt that "admired" is the right word however, Szarekh would have seen that Sanguinius was in a uniquely valuable position to be the best chance of an alliance with the Imperium against the 'nids.

[@NoName-lo9ym]

One small vision for Sanguinius and his attitude to a jumped up Xenos could change. One of Sanguinius's greatest gifts was his intuition, in the same way it was Roboute's reason. Sanguinius would not have acted like a Dorn or Lion had he encountered the Silent King

[@georgijcaikovskij5623]

It is not matter like short truce because in the end Immperium will obliterate Necrons like another xeno race (check Immperium doctrine aka Galaxy only for Humanity). Yes , with casualites but it is not matter in the long Emperor game.

[@sparklestonebro]

Something tells me Sangunius and his legion couldn't have killed the Silent King in any way that matters had some sort of deal gone wrong. The Necron's technology is so wild that there are so many ways the Silent King could have gone about it to reduce any semblance of danger to himself. Not to mention there are Necrons far less important than the Silent King who casually reverse time to win arguments. Then there's the matter of Sanguinius' visions and all the crazy Necron future seeing and time manipulation stuff.

[@konigstiger3252]

Orikan is pretty up there in necron society

[@BloodyArchangelus]

yea yea. Crazy necron tech.. than Tosters went it and went out.

[@justinanderson2460]

I have to agree with this. People get so caught up in the Horus Heresy and the power of the Emperor and the Primarchs and all the hype that they forget much. For one thing, the Emperor himself had to wait until the Dark Age of Technology was over before emerging specifically because despite his crazy power, the humans of this time period had such OP tech, they could have quite feasibly just killed him if he'd tried a hostile takeover. Yet, despite how insane this tech was, it was still not on the level of what the Necrons wield so the idea that a Primarch who is, despite being mighty in his own right, still far below his father, could have killed the single most powerful Necron is existence just seems very pretentious. . Think about it. The Silent King was the commander of the entire Necron race throughout the War in Heaven for goodness sake. He was the very first Necron to be created and had by FAR the most powerful and advanced form, created by the C'tan themselves and second only to them in might. This being was the single solitary leader of one of the 2 factions in the same war that broke the warp and had literal gods (any of which utterly dwarfing the Emperor even at the height of his power during the Great Crusade) walking around the battlefields. The Silent King lead the faction that was victorious in this war after defeating not only their enemies, but then shattering and enslaving the gods of their own faction as well. Next to the War in Heaven, the Great Crusade and the Horus Heresy combined were little more than a footnote and barely worthy of mention. Then look at what the Necrons side was up against on a regular basis. . The Eldar of this age could literally shift planets in their dreams, the Old Ones themselves took to battling the Necons with living warp weapons and even using the warp itself as a weapon and Krorks were a thing - a single Krork soldier is almost as powerful as a Primarch and there was an entire galaxy spanning race of these things. Eldar battle psykers could literally manifest their Gods in realspace, the C'tan were all whole and a single one could lay waste to an entire sector of space with its thoughts alone. And the Silent King was, aside from the C'tan, the single most powerful being on his side of the War, personally leading countless battles against these ridiculously powerful forces of Old Ones, Krorks, unrestrained/diminished Eldar and even Eldar Gods with the might of his race's technology and the backing of the C'tan. But you're gonna tell me that Saguinius and a legion of Space Marines could have killed him and whatever personal army he had with him?? Please. That's some Imperium fanboying right there.

[@BloodyArchangelus]

@@justinanderson2460 one more Necron fan.. watch tosters would tear your tombworld apart x))))

[@henryviiifake8244]

@@konigstiger3252 Orkikan literally unlocked the Necron equivalent of a Supersaiyan mode. Dude is OP as hell! 😭😭😭

[@saltyshackles5227]

Sanguinius was having a spring clean and put his mask on 40k's version of Ebay. The Silent King beat Taryzn on the auction & Sang had to deliver the mask via 3 day Warp Express delivery. They sat down for Tea and Biscuits after delivery before Sang headed back home. That's how they know eachother and how he has his mask.

[@NornQueenKya]

Honestly whatever pact they could have come together with would have been possible. Humanity could have had the webway and the necrons the rest.

[@justinanderson2460]

This is actually a pretty interesting idea. The Emperor always envisioned humanity leaving realspace for the Webway eventually - even if only temporarily - so that they could focus on mastering themselves and evolving past the petty concerns that come with a primitive species ascending through sentience to a higher level of understanding and existence. That journey always leads to the same development of all the negative feelings and emotions that plague said species which in turn feeds the Chaos Gods. . If humanity was able to remain in the Webway beyond the reach of the warp and allowed to evolve past this stage to become more enlightened, they could then re-emerge and begin mastering their Psyker abilities without the fear of daemons and other nastiness ruining everyone's day - especially since, by this point the Chaos Gods would have all but starved to death. This in turn would lead to humanity ascending even further into the enlightened, psychic race they were always meant to be. . Involving the Necrons helps this original plan of the Emperor in a way in the sense that the Galaxy (realspace) would be kept, under the Rule of the Necrons/Necrontyr from getting too far out of hand in the way of other sentient species rising to enough of size or influence to start feeding and empowering the Chaos Gods again. Meanwhile, the Necrons/Necrontyr themselves have no warp presence so even if they deteriorated into civil war, the Chaos Gods would gain no benefit. . The flip side to this however would be if humanity emerges from the Webway in an attempt to re-occupy the Galaxy. I doubt the Necrons would be ok with this, even if humanity wanted to do so on equal terms. The Necrons have no interest in the Webway but they have a VERY vested interest in the Galaxy and genuinely believe themselves it's rightful rulers so how they would contend with a "new" humanity is an interesting idea to contemplate. The Emperor always envisioned leading Humanity into a golden age where they could all attain a level of enlightenment and mastery of themselves where they could evolve into beings much like him. That was always his eventual dream. But we've seen that he also seems to view humanity as the rightful inheritors of the Galaxy (and beyond) so I just find it hard to imagine an outcome where both Necrons and Humanity manage to get along unless by this point they have both grown, matured and evolved into far more enlightened and comparatively reasonable beings on a societal level - which would be amazing, just hard to imagine.

[@koldraxonofthefirstseven5718]

​@@justinanderson2460 Considering how - even now - there are Lords, Overlords, Phaerons and so on who actively allow other races to continue civilizing under their reign (or have other agreements in place, ranging from information exchange to indirect assistance with various plots or issues on both ends) as to get the sensation that they've got something to react to in realtime, it's not beyond possibility that the Necrons will get to a point where they'd find a number of solutions to their own novel inconveniences, and restore what they had lost. It's after that point, where the Necrons at large feel that they're finally upright again, where they may start getting more intricate with their effort to set themselves as the galactic authority. Sure, they'll still have squabbling and infighting, but the reasons being more public-knowledge by this time would probably encourage various factions among the races to find a Dynasty or few to 'represent' or 'join' in some sense. The Eldar could be convinced to agree with it and, perhaps, go back to their Webway to make way for the Necrons to build their Warp-stopping structures. Then could either opt to live under adapted Necron law, or be forced to bend and negotiate with their human 'friends' for a better deal - if they ever decided to quit a Webway-exclusive lifestyle. Humanity could be reasoned into providing the quantity of people-power required to fend off the Tyranid forces with some help from their tech to limit the Tyranids into controllable waves and suffer minimal losses, providing an excellent distraction so they can recover Dyansties sitting under the humans' territories. Afterwards, humanity could negotiate with the Eldar with the intent to expand the Webway network and put the humans in the new section with the excuse of a research project. Whether it goes right or not is another matter. Orks... Would probably be set upon the Tyranids and non-co-operative forces to distract them from the greater agenda. Would keep Orks busy too and give them enough of a fite until the Dyansties have reesablished - by then the Orks would end up getting reaccommodated with their ancient past, but never getting the chance to go Kork because that would make the Necrons pull out even more absurd hardware than everything they dragged out already. Tau... May need to catch up on their history, but given their open willingness to be friends even with the forces of Chaos (by accident), they may actually self-convince themselves that the Necron 'good' outcome is in alignment to their Greater Good. Maybe the Necrons might get curious as to the style similarities in their designs? Would be funny if a Cryptek began to dig up a rabbithole about the Tau iconography and how it is similar to their Necron glyphs.

[@justinanderson2460]

@@koldraxonofthefirstseven5718 + I agree it is within the realms of possibility for the Necrons to find solutions to their petty grievances with each other but I do feel it would take a long time and I'm not 100% sure what would be necessary in order for that to happen. Even if they were able to get back to being the dominant force in the galaxy, to me, this would simply remove any distractions they already have to prevent civil war over who would be in power. Having said that, if said war was allowed to play out, they might actually come out the other side with a workable society. . I feel that a really big IF would be other factions accepting Necrons as their Overlords (pun intended). The Eldar for one thing would surely never submit to this unless they had no other option. Their arrogance matches the Necrons' own and they are far too proud to accept others ruling over them. Remember they had a galaxy-spanning empire that lasted the longest out of anyone and they also are almost entirely motivated by restoring that - or at least the Craftworlders are. The Dark Eldar are their own thing but I do feel like with sufficient decline of Slaanesh, they could possibly be returned to the fold. I'd see them allying with Humanity long before their oldest and most hated rivals. Especially when both Eldar and Necrons believe themselves superior and, despite their respect for a worthy foe, ultimately both believe they should be "top dog" so to speak. . Humanity would definitely be willing to help in a Tyranid war as they have just as much stake in the Galaxy as everyone else (even if they are chilling out in the Webway in order to "work on themselves" at the time) and I also think that they'd have no issues whatsoever with Necrons reclaiming Tomb Worlds in previously human occupied territories as the entire human race would be in the Webway. How that would work should humanity decide to re-emerge post ascension is another matter. . I also agree that the Orks would make a great bulwark against the Tyranids in order to distract them and give everyone else the time and ability to work on their counters and in the meantime, the Orks would be having the time of their life. Admittedly, this might end up empowering the Orks too much and this would come with it's own problems but I also do believe that they could be dealt with by the other races if they ever got too out of hand - particularly when we're talking about a fully awakened Necron Race, an assumedly repopulated Eldar Race and an ascended humanity. . I doo believe the Tau would end up being manipulated. If left alone they could grow into a real power but being the most reasonable of the races in the galaxy but I do think the Necrons would find them very interesting to say the least - assuming they became powerful enough to warrant attention from the Necrons in the first place. I actually used to have this theory that the Deceiver or some other C'tan is responsible for the creation of the Tau so that they could rise up as a power and take over only for the Necrons to take THEM once they'd re-emerged. Basically allowing for a new race to populate the galaxy that they could consume later. Then that changed to an idea that the Necrons themselves were responsible and they were looking to use the Tau as their new fleshy bodies. The similarities in iconography, the practically non-existent warp presence, it works in both scenarios. Lack of warp presence means no psykers which leaves only tech - which gives the Necrons a decided advantage.

[@captainvalourous6668]

This reminds me of a fanart of Sangy and Szarekh having a popcorn snack while Szarekh shows Sanguinius a happy golden mask of his. 😅 Ok for real tho since we have Yvraine and Bobby G, I hope Szarekh's secret meeting with Sang is actually true and if does I wish there will be another returning loyalist Primarch that would help the Imperium team up with the Tau or specifically the Farsight Enclave.

[@goonbuggy1135]

Maybe it was how Sangy survived when he crawled out of his tube on Baal Secondus. Baal primus is a old necron world.

[@tomfrommicromanagement]

The first video you made on this topic, was how I discovered your channel. I was amazed by how well you discussed the lore, and how in touch you were with your community. I'm glad i stayed around; keep up the amazing work!!!

[@RockaGrand]

I think that, if Sanguinius actually met the Silent King, he could have recognized SOMETHING about him. Either through visions or something. But if Sanguinius is willing to sacrifice himself so that Horus would fall (due to a vision) and if Dante is willing to get his strength back to continue fighting, even though he was exhausted and tired (to protect the golden throne) then I think, Sanguinius COULD, if he had a vision, behave differently then the norm. I mean, to “spare” his Blood Angels and possibly find a cure, Sanguinius was about to give himself to chaos. … like… wtf. So I think it’s possible Sanguinius would, based on the possible benefits, to ally with Xenos.

[@LutherMahoney]

I listen to this channel and i work at a graveyard at night alone. It’s soothing.

[@Dreadbringer]

The Emperor protects.

[@wwpark]

Sounds peaceful

[@Sam_Smith1987]

As the story was told by one Necron to another, they spoke as if the accord between Sangy and Sazzy was true. They even comment on humans forgetting their own history and imply that the meeting happened too late, so the Horus Heresy spelled the end of any cooperation. In my view, the Necrons may have been warning Sangy about Chaos, possibly drawing their attention to the Necron pylons as a means to combat entities from the Warp. After all, the Necrons are well aware of Chaos and will view the gods as a massive threat, combining elements of the Old Ones and C’tann. So a nightmare from their perspective. The Eldar also tried to warn humanity and while the Eldar and Necrons don’t agree on much, the threat of Chaos will be something they do agree on. As for the whereabouts of Sazzy, ten-thousand years is nothing to him. Recently returned from exile could literally mean anything. Sazzy wants to return his people to flesh and blood, and if you consider the Necron’s endgame goals, do they really want to rule over a dead galaxy? Like the Tyranids, Chaos are a massive fly in the ointment, where humanity, and possibly even their ancient enemy the Eldar, could be tolerated in the right circumstances. I think reasonable and enlightened humans, Tau and Eldar could also be persuaded by this. There’s also clues in the lore that this might be something we see. Here’s a few examples: - lore geared around alliances in AOS. - Tau / Imperium “ceasefire” since Damocles. - Ynarri / Imperium cooperation. - GW seemingly adding hints about a possible team-up against Chaos in the past. - Pariah Nexus going horribly wrong leading to Necron civil war. Sazzy needs another way to make his plan work. - Chaos and the Tyranids representing a bigger threat than any of the civilised races do. - Guilliman not being a xenophobic maniac, and suggestions that the Emperor wasn’t either.

[@xavierdefrenne3989]

Thanks for the video. I hope this might be explored more officially at some point. Concerning the meeting of Sanguinius and the Silent King, the blood angels might have discovered some ruins or a device that allowed some communication between them during the crusade. A sort of 40k zoom call. Anyway, the how they discussed is less important than of what they talked about to me :)

[@darrianweathington1923]

This is what I think happened. The silent king saw the nids, and rushed back into the Galaxy to recruit some stronger forces unter a temporary unified banner, starting out with the more understanding human race who understands mortality not like the -high elves- eldar or the war loving Orks, he started by reaching out to the glorious hawk boy first, knowing that. 1) he was probably one of the more level headed and understanding of the primarchs who wouldn't just try to decapitate him ASAP. 2) he was warp sensitive, meaning that he could see the future and know that he wasn't lying. But the glorious hawk boy was more of a boy scout than Guiliman and wanted to ride out the crusade for his father, and fulfill his destiny of dying to save the emperor. (Being so on point as 40k is) I believe the angel literally told the silent king that the imperium would be in a really bad way for the next 10,000 years, but they would have grown stronger in different ways setting new, more important goals, and to come back to re-recruit some legions to the cause because now, not only is the imperium no longer on a massive crusade spearheaded by the living emperor himself, but now they also known that the nids cannot be stopped by any single force and the human race is going to have to suck it up just this once and work with the race who once literally ruled the universe with superior weapons and technology on a galactic offensive against the giant space roaches.

[@GreatChickenGod]

they were the best of friends growing up being next door neighbors, but to be honest, it may have been a vision by Sanguinius that prevented him from going to blows with Szarehk, and that leaving him alive would lead to the salvation of Baal of the Tyranid threat

[@miguelperez9906]

He could have met warp entity known as Sanguineous since time in the warp is not exactly linear. If he met the nascent warp entity and discussed things then him wishing an accord could be met would have been made since he can’t really make an accord with a non corporeal being. Also the direct reference to the emperor being a corps king in the warp make me feel like he’s not talking about the living Sanguineous. Things that were not possible before are now possible.

[@snakething87]

I think the silent king is the golden warrior from Dante’s vision of the future. There is also a case to be made that he’s the Omnissiah. Imagine if he showed Mars how to properly use the void dragon shard.

[@Dann-qp2uw]

I think SK has been watching everything the whole time. And I think he wants his people to have the bodies of space marines especially now with primaris. He’s just been patiently waiting.

[@zmsays]

Based on all of the lore I've read, I find it very hard to believe that Sanguinius would make a rash decision. I feel like he would be almost as likely as Gulliman to treat with a xenos race. It wouldn't be out of this sense of pragmatism like Gulliman, but a product of his own patience and curiosity. He seems to be the only primarch with the demeanor to indulge a xenos race. The Silent King would be a significant enough figure for Sanguinius to actually consider whatever SK had to say.

[@williamwilson1870]

Imagine if the silent king gave sanguinius’s soul a living metal primarch body, I think I’d cry.

[@14893chimera]

Personal theory, but maybe the deal was that sanguinius would speak with the emperor about turning them back to flesh form.

[@Discotekh_Dynasty]

I have one friend who plays BA and one (the best) who plays tyranids so this sounds like a good 2v1 with my necrons

[@TheKnizzine]

"Letting" the Silent King live implies Sanguinus would have been capable of killing him. Maybe Big E in his prime could have but kinda doubt any single primarch could. Not like we are talking Farsight, Shadowsun, or Yvraine.

[@magearamil8626]

I am big Necron fun but I still have to say that we simply have no idea how STRONG Silent King actually compared to Primarchs/Deamon Primarchs. He is very powerful and has power of c'tan shard channeled into his weapon BUT some primarchs are busted powerful, especially deamon ones. However what we are absolutely SURE about is that noone, even Emperor couldn't simply met Szerekh on battlefield and kill him, permanently. All high ranking nobels have engram COPIES of themselfs inside Tombworlds and they simply come back without few last memeories at worst, Silent King probably has hundreds if not milions of copies ready to be reconstructed into his body... So he is basically impossible to kill unless you litteraly destroy ALL necrons in galaxy.

[@justinanderson2460]

People get so caught up in the Horus Heresy and the power of the Emperor and the Primarchs and all the hype that they forget much. For one thing, the Emperor himself had to wait until the Dark Age of Technology was over before emerging specifically because despite his crazy power, the humans of this time period had such OP tech, they could have quite feasibly just killed him if he'd tried a hostile takeover. Yet, despite how insane this tech was, it was still not on the level of what the Necrons wield so the idea that a Primarch who is, despite being mighty in his own right, still far below his father, could have killed the single most powerful Necron in existence just seems very pretentious. . Think about it. The Silent King was the commander of the entire Necron race throughout the War in Heaven for goodness sake. He was the very first Necron to be created and had by FAR the most powerful and advanced form, created by the C'tan themselves and second only to them in might. This being was the single solitary leader of one of the 2 factions in the same war that broke the warp and had literal gods (any of which utterly dwarfing the Emperor even at the height of his power during the Great Crusade) walking around the battlefields. The Silent King lead the faction that was victorious in this war after defeating not only their enemies, but then shattering and enslaving the gods of their own faction as well. Next to the War in Heaven, the Great Crusade and the Horus Heresy combined were little more than a footnote and barely worthy of mention. . To further enforce this notion, just look at what the Necrons side was up against on a regular basis. The Eldar of this age could literally shift planets in their dreams, the Old Ones themselves took to battling the Necons with living warp weapons and even using the warp itself as a weapon and Krorks were a thing - a single Krork soldier is almost as powerful as a Primarch and there was an entire galaxy spanning race of these things. Eldar battle psykers could literally manifest their Gods in realspace, the C'tan were all whole and a single one could lay waste to an entire sector of space with its thoughts alone. And the Silent King was, aside from the C'tan, the single most powerful being on his side of the War, personally leading countless battles against these ridiculously powerful forces of Old Ones, Krorks, unrestrained/undiminished Eldar and even Eldar Gods with the might of his race's technology and the backing of the C'tan. Yet, you're seriously gonna try and tell me that Saguinius and a legion of Space Marines could have killed him and whatever personal army he had with him?? Please. That sounds like some Imperium fanboying right there. . Frankly, I feel like the Silent King being released for the Table Top is bit of a joke. This guy should be able to take on the Crusade level Emperor of Mankind based on the Lore and how he should scale to other beings of his era. I'd be ok if it turned out that the version we got on the tabletop as it stands was some proxy/servant body of the true Silent King or something along those lines but anything less seems like a cop out to me.

[@henryviiifake8244]

I _really_ struggle to believe the Emperor could outright kill the Silent King. He could definitely do _some_ damage, being single most powerful psyker in the galaxy and all, but the Necrons could literally delete humanity's empire at _any point_ with the Orrery. 🤷‍♂️ Someone else already pointed out the Emperor couldn't do his hostile takeover of Terra until _after_ Old Night... and that humanity's technological peak was far from Necron-level (let alone Eldar-level)

[@justinanderson2460]

@@henryviiifake8244+ It's worth noting too that the Silent King actually sealed away the majority of his most overpowered weapons (like the stuff he used to kill/shard the C'tan) because he believed that no single being should ever have that much power. He then wiped his own memory and the memory of every Necron in existence of how to access it. I bring that up because stuff like the Celestial Orrery was apparently not worth his time to bother hiding. . I would like to point out though that despite the War in Heaven Eldar Tech being>>>>>>>Modern Eldar Tech, War in Heaven Necron tech was>>>even Old Aeldari tech. The Eldar legitimately look at Necron tech like it's magic. And a log nof what the Eldar accomplished back in the day was thanks to the Warp as much as their technology. It's why a lot of the Old relics from the War in Heaven days and artifacts hidden in Commoragh by the Dark Eldar can't be used by them - because the need extensiveusenof psychic powers just to turn them on, let alone operate them. . I mean it's not surprising, the Necrons were already on a level (technologically) thay hey could fight the Old Ones (even if they lost) before they encountered the C'tan. In fact, the main reason the Old Ones defeated the Necrontyr originally and so easily is because the Webway allowed them to out maneuver the Necrontyr at will and they had no counter to the Warp (as it was the C'tan who showed them how to build the Pylon technology that nullifies the Warp). The C'tan pushed the Necrontyr's already broken levels of technology into godlike territory and by the time of the War in Heaven, the Necrons were able to fight the Old Ones, the Aeldari (who could even summon their literal Gods to the Battlefield) and the Krorks all at once and won so hard that they were able to take a break after the war and then go on to shatter the C'tan themselves as well.

[@iamdream2562]

@@justinanderson2460 You're kindof making up a bunch of fancanon here... We don't know if WiH Aeldari tech was better than pre-fall tech, one source suggests the Aeldari fought in the War in Heaven with swords and spears, which makes sense, since we don't know how early in their development they were grabbed by the Old Ones to fight in their war. They likely fought with raw psychic power rather than tech. You have to remember that the Aeldari empire had well over 60 million years of technological, and cultural development. We know pre-fall Aeldari had jewelry that let an individual walk on the surface of suns. We know they could create matter, infrastructure and tech out of pure thought almost instantly, though to what scale we don't know. We know they could store black holes and stars in hand-held pocket dimensions, technology on-par with the more common exotic tech we see from Necrons. We also know that all of their tech was not just "warp power", that a lot was also material superscience, because we see Dark Eldar (who don't have psyker powers anymore) use and create absolutely mindboggling technology. We know the Dark Eldar have access to other dimensions besides the warp, such as the shadow realm the Mandrakes come from. We know they can create plagues which transmute their targets into glass. They have mirrors which capture a targets image, and then any damage, including shattering, applied to the mirror does the same to the target in the reflection. We know a Dark Eldar scientist transformed himself into thinking, living light, literal light that somehow retained full consciousness, and used ftl (likely webway) to fly around the galaxy telling people of his own genius. All-in-all, it is likely that the more exotic, cutting edge Necron technology exceeds the pre-fall Aeldari, but the Aeldari are still in a similar ball-park in terms of material science, while being even more advanced in warp tech. We also have no idea how the Aeldari gods functioned, or if they were even real in the way we imagine, floating or walking around like super greater daemons during the war. That might all be pure metaphor and ancient myth. There are perfectly arguable theories that the various divine gifts and shards the Aeldari have are just broken parts of their ancient natural abilities. Maybe at one point it was natural for all Eldar to become stable "Avatars of Khaine" as a standard battle tactic, a natural ability.

[@getouut]

They could have conversed during the great crusade but not in person. Sanguinius went into a dormant tomb world and spoke via technology with an exiled Silent King

[@Tulkash01]

Lol… according to the lore the Silent King had the means to make terra explode by snapping his fingers. So assuming Sanguinius would have just wiped the floor with him is a bit far fetched. Also yes, I don’t think the Silent King really cared about Sanguinius

[@patricknilsson4360]

Agreed! The King is way too powerful.

[@kazekami4957]

Silent king is about great crusade Emperor power, so rip Sanguinius in that fight.

[@Tulkash01]

@@patricknilsson4360 Perhaps, but I wasn’t making a comparison of power between him and Sanguinius. The Silent King controls the celestial orrery which can simply erase planets from existence, including Terra (the Necrons don’t do it because NOW they need the Iperium to stop the nids) this means that in case of genocidal conflict the Silent King can easily destroy strategic planets and bring the Imperium to its knees

[@patricknilsson4360]

@@Tulkash01 The crons also needs the flesh of humans.

[@Tulkash01]

@@patricknilsson4360 eh... if you mean fo their rebirth that's a distinct possibility, yes

[@defiante1]

Maybe Sanguinius just reminds the Silent King of how he used to be back when he was mortal. Sanguinius was regarded as a one of the most liked Primarchs and who embodied the soul of the Emperor. Even Horus named him as the only other Primarch he would of accepted being Warmaster instead of him. So great ruler respected great ruler.

[@WardenOfTerra]

I think that the AI that drives the Necron's creates memories within them based on what happens around them, so that they are able to survive annihilation. I think of them like mechanical bacteria, that evolve to fit a certain situation, similarly to Tyranids, but Necron's use manipulation and warfare to get their way.

[@sonicwingnut]

I think perhaps it was somewhat later than the Great Crusade when the two met - in fact my money is on Malcador sending Sanguinius on a secret diplomatic mission in order to secure some Necron artifacts in order to fight Chaos - specifically the big stash of Necron pokeballs that the Grey Knights now inexplicably own. Late in the Heresy, at the start of the Solar War Malcador made the truth of the webway project known to several primarchs - Sanguinius included. So if the Silent King was somehow contactable via the webway or Malcador had sensed his prescence and opened some form of diplomatic relations then Sanguinius would be a good envoy to send in order to make the case for Chaos being a mutual enemy - Firstly he's one of the most charismatic of the Primarchs, but secondly he had fought Chaos demons first-hand so would appreciate the urgency of Malcador's request.

[@ivylt1274]

Szarek must've known a fair bit of the Primarchs to know which one would hear his proposition. We're talking about the SK here, he is the leader of one of the most powerful races in 40k. He would be keeping tabs on events happening in the universe at any given. Although I do wonder why he didn't consider Gman as well. He is the only other primarch who is similar to the angel in terms of rationale.

[@c.m.4313]

Silent King's cryptomancers knew Sanguinius did or would have a vision of the tyranids, making him the most likely to understand the necessity of a temporary alliance.

[@combomaster666]

Silent King is the guy who beat a race of gods. There is no way a single primarch and his legion can just kill him like it's another day in the office.

[@johnpo2]

Szareka looking for her husbando in Dante. But in all seriousness the SK seeking out a powerful warlord to help against this (at the time) unknown threat and in doing so probably grabbing a not insignificant amount of support because hey its fucking sanguinius! I'm sure his brothers would have saw that the perfect hawk boy wouldn't have done this without major reason too. This is thr same sanguinius that the khan respected, that guillaman admired, that PERTURABO made an intricate pure clockwork golden lion as a gift for. Szarek probably read that of all the brothers sanguinius was the best shot at an alliance to the tyranid threat.

[@macdady102]

The only way Sanguinius may have actually discussed or at least been seen as receptive to a human/xenos alliance is his foresight and nobility. The argument could be made that the Silent King could have fit a few missing puzzle pieces together for Sanguinius' visions and maybe one of those was the real threat of the Tyranids... especially if they're a creation made by the old ones... which nobody knows more about than the necrons

[@NoTimeAllTime]

Couldn’t they have met during the Heresy? The way I see it, Bobby G turns on his big porch light and the ‘Nids change course for the galaxy. The silent king notices and goes to talk with the most important living being he can find, the Emperor of the Imperium Secundus. Sanguinius and him maybe even exchange a few words but Horus kills him before anything is accomplished.

[@sagebrown5643]

I feel like the main problem is assuming that the blood angles could actually have any chance of killing the King

[@Blipvertus]

I suspect that even if the Silent King wanted an alliance, the situation was more probably along the lines of sharing information. Like, hey, something big and scary is headed our way, maybe we should focus on it instead of each other.

[@oldeskul]

There could be a possibility that the Silent King would occasionally slip back into the galaxy to check on his sleeping subjects and survey the galaxy as a whole. I mean we don't know how long Trazyn the Infinite or Orikan the Diviner has been awake. There is a chance that at some point Szarek and Sanguinius could have met. The Silent King could have reached out to the Angel for a parlay. I don't think that they should ever write a story on if or when they met and leave it a mystery.

[@justinanderson2460]

I am still unsure if Sanguinius ever did meet the Silent King but hopefully we get some more insight in his Primarch series. Sanguinius would, in my opinion, be willing to parlay with Szarek before a battle because it is in his nature ro give the benefit of the doubt to anyone that has yet to prove themselves an enemy of the Imperium or the Emperor. Sanguinius is noble and wise and only unleashes his wrath upon those who have or would actively show hostility. The timeline stuff isn't so much of an issue for me because retcons abound and this slight issue can easily be retconned or slightly adjusted as needed. It's possible that Szarekh wanted to make an accord with Sanguinius for any number of reasons (as opposed to some other brother or the Emperor) but the Heresy got in the way. Perhaps they DID meet but the Heresy broke out before anything could happen. Maybe Szarekh approached Sanguinius during the Heresy but Sanguinius had more pressing matters to attend to and thus never got to follow up with the Silent King as a result (even if he'd promised to do so upon their original meeting). In fact, this latter option would be a convenient way of explaining why the Silent King had "hoped" to form an accord with Sanguinius but never got to and yet, still acts as though he had/has some dealings with the "Angel Father". . Having said that, one thing I must rather vehemenently disagree with is the idea that Sanguinius could have killed Szarekh even if he'd tried. Like, for example if he didn't like the idea of what the Silent King presented himself as. Sanguinius is unwaveringly loyal yes, but Szarekh mentioning something like the Imperium being still very young and even primitive and perhaps Szarekh telling Sanguinius some long lost details or truths from the past could have placated the Angel's wrath enough for him to listen. Perhaps (assuming Szarekh was somehow around for this) he could have told Sanguinius something about his father. Mabye even hinting at the rest of the Necrons being asleep but very much around might have been enough to get Sanguinius to listen - even if it was only to try and deduced any details of a potential threat to the Imperium. . Anyway, back to the Angel killing Szarekh, people get so caught up in the Horus Heresy and the power of the Emperor and the Primarchs and all the hype that they forget much. For one thing, the Emperor himself had to wait until the Dark Age of Technology was over before emerging specifically because despite his crazy power, the humans of this time period had such OP tech, they could have quite feasibly just killed him if he'd tried a hostile takeover. Yet, despite how insane this tech was, it was still not on the level of what the Necrons wield so the idea that a Primarch who is, despite being mighty in his own right, still far below his father, could have killed the single most powerful Necron is existence just seems very pretentious. . Think about it. The Silent King was the commander of the entire Necron race throughout the War in Heaven for goodness sake. He was the very first Necron to be created and had by FAR the most powerful and advanced form, created by the C'tan themselves and second only to them in might. This being was the single solitary leader of one of the 2 factions in the same war that broke the warp and had literal gods (any of which utterly dwarfing the Emperor even at the height of his power during the Great Crusade) walking around the battlefields. The Silent King lead the faction that was victorious in this war after defeating not only their enemies, but then shattering and enslaving the gods of their own faction as well. Next to the War in Heaven, the Great Crusade and the Horus Heresy combined were little more than a footnote and barely worthy of mention. Then look at what the Necrons side was up against on a regular basis. . The Eldar of this age could literally shift planets in their dreams, the Old Ones themselves took to battling the Necons with living warp weapons and even using the warp itself as a weapon and Krorks were a thing - a single Krork soldier is almost as powerful as a Primarch and there was an entire galaxy spanning race of these things. Eldar battle psykers could literally manifest their Gods in realspace, the C'tan were all whole and a single one could lay waste to an entire sector of space with its thoughts alone. And the Silent King was, aside from the C'tan, the single most powerful being on his side of the War, personally leading countless battles against these ridiculously powerful forces of Old Ones, Krorks, unrestrained/diminished Eldar and even Eldar Gods with the might of his race's technology and the backing of the C'tan. But you're gonna tell me that Saguinius and a legion of Space Marines could have killed him and whatever personal army he had with him?? Please. That's some Imperium fanboying right there. . No, I think that IF Sanguinius met with Szarekh, then whatever accord was supposed to be struck never got the chance to eventuate (likely due to the Horus Heresy) and if Szarekh didn't meet with Sanguinius, then it was likely due to something getting in the way... OR maybe it was something Szarekh would have liked to have done if he had been present in the galaxy when Sanguinius was still around and this was all from hindsight. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[@thetaz31]

Maybe the soul of Sanguinius is still alive in the warp. Silent king could have talked to him through the void?

[@radagastthedank8902]

Big man silent king goes out to the stars beyond the galaxy, accidentally creates the tyranids and then the imperium breaks the Pharos device and attracts them to the Milky Way. Silent king craps his pants and slides back to Milky Way a tad early and bumps into sanguinius and he says look man something terrible is coming to the galaxy and you’re pretty cool but might want help dealing with it. Sanguinius’ foresight does not deny his claims so they strike an accord such that when the time comes the blood angels will receive assistance from the necrons when the tyrannids come. To seal the deal sanguinius gives the silent king his mask and SK slides back out into exile to serve the remainder of his time quietly following the hive mind around till the time was right. Skip forward 10,000 years and the tyranids and silent king kinda rock up at the same time with SK expecting sanguinius to be there with prepared to recognise the mask he gave him thousands of years ago prepared to strike the deal they would have wished to have made with him?

[@anthonymartell9880]

Maybe Sanguinius saved a world without knowing it was a Tomb World with the Silent King on it, saving SK inadvertently and the SK was merely returning the favor

[@bryanbrown5886]

I remember the coverage from the first vid but I'm always down to hear new thoughts on this crazy meet up

[@chriscurry761]

Maybe the meeting was before the death of one of the lose primarch or maybe the lost primarch had joined the silent king and Sanguinius rejected the offer to join and got Russ to kill the other primarchs. Or maybe the silent king was the reason that Sanguinius made it to Horus first.

[@fic15]

I just saw Majorkills video and I gave your channel a visit. Good stuff mate, i like how you cover stories without being a 'video oriented' creator, if that makes sense. Great for playing some game and listening. Cheers

[@RenYori2099]

what if the Angel and the Silent King had met before the reunion with the Emperor.

[@KaiserAfini]

"I don't think he would be a mythical being if he appeared during the Great Crusade" Yeah, he only defeated the most powerful species in the setting's history, imprisoned multiple gods of the Materium, conquered the galaxy, plus was the master of a civilization so powerful and advanced that the Eldar at their peak could not defeat. He has enough legendary feats under his portfolio to make Big E seem like a greenhorn.

[@BloodyArchangelus]

Necron shill detected heh

[@dagoelius]

Lets be honest Sanguinius has kept secrets before. I beleive Sanguinius had a terrible vision of the Tyranids hordes and upon encountering the Necrons discovered they had already battled the Tyranids previously long ago in their past. He may of granted an audience with the Silent King to seek answers. Even the Necrons may of also seeked an audiencce initially thinking Sanguinius and his crusaders could provide the bodies the Necrons needed to transfer into and finally rid themselves of their eternal cursed metal bodies. It probably turned out they each discovered the other was wiser and had the same common enemies - Tyranids and Chaos.

[@chrisfrombeyond4240]

Idk, I think Sanguinius is just as thoughtful, and just as tactful, as Guilliman. Given the right approach, Sanguinius might very well have loosely entertained a parlay with the SK. After all, in the opening of the Fear to Tread HH book, Horus was having "negotiations" with a xenos race. Granted it ended with a predictable outcome, a Primarch was attempting to address a xeno empire. So I am open to the validity of the SKs claims.

[@davidthomas2870]

A thought: we know the silent king was likely outward bound for a long time, and took a long time to get back. We don't know how far out there he was when he found the tyranids. Additionally, the necrons are masters of dimensions and seemingly also time, so the Silent King may have been retroactively able to go back and observe or meet sanguinius. No other faction or race has been able to time travel intentionally, and the necrons casually weaponize time. So perhaps the Silent King has some means of observing or traveling to the past.

[@danrothman6129]

Well it's usually when the Necrons go to war its hope for humanity. I think it was an introduction to the silent king where he was just seeking an audience by flexing the true power of the Necron empire on the Tyranids. After the demonstration, Sanguinius with his jaw dropped walks back to his ship and flies off with his army following behind like sheep. With the Silent King intelligence beyond bounds, Sanguinius would have had his own kind turn on him as a heretic if he spoke of what he saw that day. It would have been two birds with one stone.

[@CadianColors]

Well we know a few things; the Silent King supposedly encountered the tyranids heading toward the location of the pharos device. We also know that the pharos device is implied to be Necron tech, meaning that the SK would have been able to at least detect said signal. We also know that the pharos device incident happened when the Imperium secundus was a thing, which also means that Sanguinius was the newly crowned Emperor for a small time. IF the two ever met, it's almost certain it would have been then.

[@Goblinoiddoof]

let us not forget that it asn't just Szarekh who did not sleep, the Triarch Praetorians also stayed awake in the millions of years, as they felt as if they had failed their king. Praetorians are only ever commanded by Szarekh first, and will confront even the mightiest phaeron that does not follow the will of the Silent King. Or at least, they are to in concept. It could be highly possible that they did not actually meet, but were confronted by a Praetorian who spoke the wishes of the King (royal wardens do this for their leaders, too. And it can reap well rewards.) The Praetorians has Sanguinius only meet Szarekh in the diplomatic figurative sense, not the literal sense of person-to-person, primarch-to-King

[@fitsthetrickster5262]

With the gift that he has I can't imagine why he wouldn't at least have a chat.

[@adv1207]

It's funny u think that the SK escaped sanguinius. If anything he allowed sanguine to leave unharmed. The SK fought and defeated enemies that would shit on the the modern day factions while fighting wars on multiple fronts.

[@PraetorGix]

Why is the Silent King still alive if the two met? Cmon mate, he would have wiped the floor with Sanguinius and his BAs. The true question is how would Sanguinius still live if he tried to get violent with Szarek.

[@TheScubapez376]

I don’t think the Silent King met Sanguinus. I think by wearing the Golden Mask the Silent King was trying to manipulate the Blood Angels, and use them as the the 1st wave/cannon fodder to the Tyranid threat.

[@ditmarvanbelle1061]

Consider that Alpharius too was willing to hear what the xenos had to say and changed plans accordingly. It might not be beyond Sanguinius to at the very least listen, even though there was no deal to be struck at the time it's reasonable to discuss events paving the way for the future. Especially given the eternal lives of both parties involved.

[@Kat1kafka]

Traynz:psst...they were best friends....shhhhhh

[@侍-u1k]

The Slient King isn't one to lie at all Nor It is a propaganda. He was blamed for his people's transformation which he accepted and left the empire. It is more likely Both Sanganuis and Szarekh had a understanding of each other as Szarekt respects a few lifeforms and Sanganuis being a primarch who chooses to reason with his enemy and understand their perspectives. It is more likely they met and had a great understanding To say it's a lie is blantly arrogant

[@kaparawhite]

they need to make a short film for this

[@TheOtherSteel]

I thought the big Necron theory was the Silent King made the Tyranids. Necrons and their worlds are already dead as far as the Tyranids are concerned. Once the Tyranids wipe out all "living" beings in the galaxy, the Necrons will be left in charge.

[@omagouille4104]

I read the exact opposite, as Necrons tries to reverse the biotransferance they need living subjects to find suitable host. That's Why they are making their pariah nexus to catch their "guinea pigs". Tyranids would ruin that. There is still another side of Necrons trying to go further the biotransferance and becoming pure energy bit i don't believe it's hinted they are working against the others.

[@ASNS117Zero]

I've never heard that one. The primary one I know of isn't the Silent King, but either the Outsider C'tan or the Old Ones, as revenge against the Necrons.

[@georgijcaikovskij5623]

Necron had 0 level biology techology , lol. 0 understanding because they cant even cured they dying bodys in W 40 k lore.

[@thomasalchimiste8589]

Dont forget Sanguinius was a Seer who seen is end, and perhaps Imperium future

[@daviddunn4922]

Is it possible the Silent king projected himself into a lesser Necron to speak to him , at least this way the lore can be both right and fit the timeline ?

[@akumaking1]

Maybe Trazyn has something Ingush museum explaining everything

[@sookendestroy1]

Couldnt the silent king contact sanguinius through a proxy?

[@mediamenace1879]

Well there are a lot of similarities between the Necron and humanity, it's just that humanity went a different direction after Slanesh's birth. Both value technology, and both worship the machine, just take the Mechanicum and try to say there isn't a similarity, albeit just differing levels of technology.

[@Azubrael]

Rho bro, love it.

[@popamonkey190]

Love you Rho!!

[@gavincross2902]

I can see Sanguinous meeting the Silent King and them both walking away, to be finished later at the point of a sword. The Emperor would have foreseen it.

[@Anathema308]

I'm wondering if it was before Sanguinius was reunited with the Emperor and his Legion

[@MrMysticphantom]

Maybe they met each other before that time, when Sanguinius was a minor God

[@Divadtube]

I like to Imagine the Silent King is just a huge Sanguinus stan.

[@eichler721]

Sanguinius is my favorite Primarch and with feats is shown as the Strongest Primarch before the Heresy and Demonic powers and warp amplification. However the Silent King would beat him for sure. Remember that Orakin turned to a energy God and fought 6 shards of the Deceiver and multiple planets where destroyed by Antimatter and black holes. A Transcendent Void Dragon Shard escaped and destroyed 12 Tomb worlds and the Silent King is the most powerful Necron and powered by C'tan shards. The Emperor was the only one who had a chance at beating him and its hard to know who would win as we don't know their exact power with the limited lore we have on both. But remember Sanguinius did talk with several Xenos empires and such before the Heresy and was never violent till they attacked or betrayed his trust so I absolutely believe Sanguinius would have a meeting and after the visions they may have made a deal as a backup plan after the Pharos was destroyed. I think he would have told the Emperor if he did as other then his Legionares flaws he told his father everything.

[@WalkingCaptain]

Another possibility is to be responsible for the events that led to the destruction of the two lost ones and the angel intervened

[@trevorwebb5564]

Love the content brother! Something to consider: Necrons have been around for millions of years. Their tech is on a completely different level. Should they want to, they could wipe the Imperium pretty easily considering they can just turn off suns. So in a way, other races are pretty inferior XD

[@davidburnett5049]

I dont like the question 'why is the silent king still alive'. Dont underestimate him and the tyranids. Yes the angel is the best primarch but that doesn't mean he gets to 1v1 the silent king or 360 no scope him just because.

[@epiccthulu]

There’s no point in returning to flesh while tyranids and chaos gods, specifically Slaanesh, around. Imagine a nekron tasting chocolate cake for the first time? Instant Slaaneshi cultist. I support the idea of the silent king rooting for mankind

[@dakotalange2858]

Didn’t the necrons have a instant transmission communication device that the loyalist used? Could the silent king have one one his ship or something and communicate with Sanguinius that way or maybe they both could see future events (idk about necrons being able to do that) and could communicate through visions?

[@acolytewraith4296]

Just tossing a Random Idea, But would it be possible they met on Baal before Big E picked him up? Silent king being aware of what WOULD transpire because of Cronomancy? Perhaps that Could have been a Contributing factor in Sanguinius accepting Big E so quick and easily? Having been made aware of the Necrons? Goodness knows I don't have much Lore awareness yet, having JUST started some of the books, myself. But I'm inclined to believe that Necrons have quite the options available to them after reading the Infinite and the Divine. As well as the fact that the Silent King served Directly under the C'tan themselves during the entirety of the War in Heaven. So he definitely could have picked up any Number of tricks from Literal Star Gods...

[@dkoz81]

But if Sanguinius had a vision of this Xino saving his chapter then I think it may have happened differently. Also the Silent King may not have been stupid enough to out right challenge a powerful race well his people slumbered.

[@MrJara1018]

Necrons and Blood Angels I hate those Flavors together. Iron hands /Necrons makes more sense to me. Iron Hands are living yet no emotions wanting to me machine and Necron’s are undead but flamboyant and vibrant wanting to be alive.

[@akantor0811]

I wish we had that art as the silent king instead we got saurauns mace given arms and legs

[@tankster99]

Do I believe that the two met yes but more likely through a vision or something like that rather than face to face

[@Asmith218]

If they did meet previously you assume sanguinius had the ability to send the Silent king packing. The necron are pretty adept of pulling plot armor deus ex machina BS on their own with technology that does what ever it wants. There are plenty of examples of the primarchs being overmatched within the crusade until having to be rescued by their brothers or dear old pops; so Primarch invincibility during the crusade isn't a given.

[@joshuagoff7878]

SAGUNIUS and necrons have a lot in common. void dragons are practically sun vampires .

[@fixedG]

Yeah, I don't think they ever met. Szarekh would have had intelligence making him aware of Sanguinius and his nobility, humility, leadership, and charisma, likely singling him out as the most worthwhile among the Primarch to approach for an accord against the Tyranids...eventually. Guilleman might have been more open to a meeting and easier to convince, but he would have had a harder time convincing the others. If Szarekh had convinced Sanguinius, almost everyone would have accepted it because he could do no wrong. Sanguinius, for his part, probably foresaw Szarekh, the Necrons, the Tyranids and just had other priorities. He never foresaw a meeting and never pursued a meeting.

[@KuddlesbergTheFirst]

How powerful would General Grevious be if he were a Necro King or Grand Duke among the Lords?

[@BrettHutton2]

What if it happened before sanguine was found sorta like the Eldar attacking angron

[@licensed_beheader]

How come szarekh didn't tell sanguinius about chaos ?

[@MrLaz0rz]

Why would he? Sometimes those with a lot of knowledge overestimate those with less.

[@silversurfer8818]

@@MrLaz0rz The dunning-kruger effect?

[@stewartthorpe2533]

Comment for the algorithm gods!

[@abrahamxavierraja6742]

I mean based on the grammar TSK could have been going to meet Sanguinius when BAM Horus Heresy

[@timothylyons5686]

Why didn't the Angel wipeout the Necrons?? The Silent King probably laughed and told the Angel he could click his fingers and Baal would never ever have existed.

[@32bitsamoan87]

Honestly the whole thing seems like deception, it's obvious that if they wanted to placate to the blood angels they would say that they held sanguinius and high regard.

[@timothylyons5686]

How many Dark Angels know that both Luthor and the Lion are still alive.