Atheist Debates - Debate: Do we have good reason for believing in God? vs Reid Johnson

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This debate was part of a local high school debate class project. Matt Dillahunty and Reid Johnson debate: Do we have good reasons to believe a god exists?

[@SansDeity]

Oddly, I just saw Reid featured in a Ford commercial. So, maybe he's found a new calling. :)

[@staytuned9320]

Wow the great Matt made a comment. If only it was one of my comments you actually liked Lol. Question, Im in Dallas and I watch ,The Atheist Experienc " faithfully ". Is there anything in Dallas I can join as a volunteer?

[@staytuned9320]

@@chris61981 you're speaking on someone about mocking another for their idiotic irrational way of thinking yet at the same time taunting a person to get a response. Classic

[@magiclion]

@xavi xaviThe parasites are the pastors and preachers like Reid. Matt would have been a preacher except he realised truth matters and lying to people for a living isn't moral. He has a regular job. These debates are performed because he feels passionate about it and so do the people who invite him. He could have made enormous riches deluding religious stupid people if he wanted to.

[@adamschaller8847]

xavi xavi So, all bald men are intrinsically poor preachers? That’s a rock solid argument right there. I’m so appreciative that Christianity is represented by people like you. The greatest argument against Christianity is presented by its own believers 😅

[@adamschaller8847]

Karl Smith I was replying to Xavi Xavi’s comment about how Matt would’ve been a poor preacher because “he is bald and uses too much of his head”. Before leaving Christianity, Matt spent 25 years as a Baptist and considered becoming a preacher, which is what Xavi Xavi was referring to

[@ronyan]

What kind of masochist agrees to Dillahunty as his first debate opponent?

[@chestercopperbottom]

Someone who (clearly) doesn't know the atheist position, and has probably never heard of Matt.

[@zerokmatrix]

A delusional one. Religion will do that to the brain

[@garyoleyar]

....and Matt, very gentlemanly, went easy on him.

[@Pranav-rp8wi]

It's like shaggy fighting Bautista

[@masterleeNL]

delusional like his claim

[@cartmanrlsusall]

Matt stuck to a true debate teaching format, his opponent just preached a sermon and it was weak sauce. Even with a cold this was a dilluhunty spanking

[@bcnstrct6624]

cartmanrlsusall a totally spanking indeed.

[@VanBradford]

Haha... It's funny how all I could think when the theist was talking was "weak sauce"... I was dumbfounded how astoundingly weak sauce his arguments were really...

[@cartmanrlsusall]

human_abstract well that 11perfect prophesy thing was kinda new but he never said what those prophets and prophesies were.so more weak sauce.

[@TheTruthKiwi]

@@cartmanrlsusall To be fair he did mention three prophecies. An earthquake, a tsunami and terrorism. I am pretty sure two of those have been happening quite frequently since well, the earth was formed and the other since man evolved into a societal being so he wasn't wrong.

[@cartmanrlsusall]

@@TheTruthKiwi that's the point there is evidence that the natural disasters have occurred well before human history, and humans killing and trying to intimidate through terrorism occurred throughout our history. So it really isn't prophecy is it?

[@BenWilson24]

Man, this guy was basically a conglomerate of all of the fallacies that have been kicked to the curb on the atheist experience 😂

[@katyungodly]

I heard at least 3 or 4 terrible apologetics in the first 15 minutes 😂

[@JumpingMonkey]

Probably why they brought him in by the sound of it

[@adekaiwamisou]

ove how he ends it. "Yeah yeah go do research sure..." bitting my lower lip as I look at the man who beat me

[@joshuaklein8429]

I heard him start off pretty early with the watchmakers fallacy and I just cringed hard. Can the apologists just stop using that already? It’s probably the most unoriginal fallacy there is and they wouldn’t know it because they think it’s such a massive “gotcha!” they talk about in their echo chambers…

[@TheVonzink]

Listening to a pastor attributing all the good things in his life to miracles seems like a waste of Dellehunty’s time.

[@ryanstringer6813]

"Pray for something that COULD happen.." .. so, in other words, pray for something that does not require any kind of divine intervention, and then attribute that to God.

[@MrYondaime1995]

I was surprised that Matt didn't adress this, but seeing the falacy machine gun that this guy was i understand that he couldn't adress all of it.

[@MrDigztheswagking]

Ryan Stringer 😂😂😂

[@crazyheffe]

yeah i think he knows it takes time to get sucked into a culture

[@aysikl]

anyone got a move-set for when u encounter fallacy machine guns that seek to "spam the chat with stupid" ..? maybe point it out with the words I just used? :D srsly tho, anyone got something cool n useful? :) hi5s

[@dollarbill2208]

If you pray for something that "could" happen, and it happens, then how do you determine that God answered your prayer, vs some other possible explanation with investigatory power? If you pray for something that "could" happen and it doesn't, then how do you determine that God ignored you?

[@ketumii8373]

Matt is like that over-leveled pokemon you send out that you know can crush everything on the field

[@optimusprime4090]

This is so accurate.

[@marcomarte6588]

Yeah and his viewers all have xp shares on

[@_-AB-_]

that made me smile. I would never be get it out of my head.

[@RelaxationTime778]

Lol

[@krioni86sa]

Do you have evidence that pokemon exist? lol

[@jeremysmith2725]

I think this guy forgot he is at a debate and not youth group.

[@youngjc5704]

I thought the same thing🤣

[@johan2380]

rofllllll so true. classic preaching mentality

[@DustbinFunkbndr]

I really respect Matt for being so polite and gentle in front of the students. I could sense his desire to shred him to pieces

[@TrippyKenpachi]

I too could sense it, and yearned for the shredding to commence. Lol.

[@austinhernandez2716]

There was too much for him to get to. Like the guys extreme ignorance on evolution, him using the argument from ignorance, him justifying torture against people, like an abusive husband would

[@michaelbrickley2443]

@@austinhernandez2716 ignorance like yours is sad

[@michaelbrickley2443]

@@TrippyKenpachi smh…Matt Dillahunty is an ignorant man. Don’t be like him

[@mikerodgers7620]

Heathens will be torn to pieces in hell.

[@10072018]

Matt: "Anecdotes don't prove the existence of God". Reid: "Here's an hour's worth of anecdotes."

[@Cyba_IT]

So annoying. I don't think he's telling us the whole story about them either, especially the dead fetus one. He's just giving a sermon and it's pathetic.

[@cartmanrlsusall]

He stuck to his script despite evidence to the contrary. A true theobot,3000robot running the biblick10 operating system

[@Cyba_IT]

@@cartmanrlsusall Haha nice

[@stuarttothemax]

Reid: “I’m only going to tell you the stories that I think are miracles while leaving out all the times we prayed for something and nothing happened.”

[@williamholmes9807]

Reid was not there to prove that God exists.... He was there to give reasons why he believes God exist.

[@bagospannerz]

So much preaching, so many stories, so little evidence.

[@EricSmyth4Christ]

Wheesh

[@xr337]

@@darkseid6412 if its not credible its not evidence

[@evanwebber9981]

At 1:15 when he said "can I stand?" I was like *here we go.*

[@martymaiden8499]

@Jubei Yang yep, its like how a crappy band with $ backing them can get their crappy song played enuf times on the radio that ppl will be brainwashed into thinking its good

[@DJRickard2010]

Zero evidence, to be precise

[@RobinLionheart]

Reid keeps saying "you can't rub a stick and stone together and produce life". If you have a stick, there was already life, Reid. Sticks come from trees.

[@greyeyed123]

Ha! (I couldn't listen to his part of the debate, so I missed that. Maybe I should watch for comical value.)

[@calebmatthews2026]

greyeyed123 it's worth the cringe if you need some good laughs.

[@Alientcp]

Its amazing how they claim shit, but show complete ignorance about the Miller-Urey experiment.

[@ispd123]

and god came from................................????????

[@roguedaskill]

Hello friend, People can manipulate that which already exists, but only GOD can create matter from nothing.

[@BenBarredo]

This guy preached the entire time and everything he said was a fallacy.

[@dwightschrute8726]

Honestly when they get to this level of religiosity idk if they know how to have an honest debate rather than preaching.

[@isaiahbangura4421]

That's all they know how to do

[@genevadixon8426]

You can’t explain where god came from. If life comes from life, that applies to god, too. If god could’ve just popped into existence, then why not believe that the universe just came to be? Why do you have to create a creator out of nothing?

[@eposa5421]

@Curtis Jones aight curtis, enjoy living a lie

[@dwightschrute8726]

@@Elektroslag I think it’s possible, but definitely difficult and unlikely

[@monoclesquid9667]

*theist uses the word ‘kind’* Matt: Omae Wa Mou, Shindeiru

[@Jarumo76]

Hidebuu !! *head explodes*

[@bobcabbit6343]

Lol logical arguments of the north star. But I think that happens any time someone brings up slavery more than the mention of kinds.

[@danieldelanoche2015]

Haha love it

[@baltvdb]

Matt has the patience of a saint. I can’t imagine dealing with this sort of gibberish without exploding. Thanks Matt 😎🇬🇧

[@fod1202]

He did pretty well. Attacked only when the opponent was standing, refused to punch when he was down. Good tactics.

[@OikPoinFive]

I just wanted to say that I worship Mr Matt Dillahunty, for he sent me to heaven in a vision spiritually with him; Matt took me up to new levels of life that I never knew even existed. It was there where Matt changed for the better. Me too!

[@alphadawg81]

soli Sanchez .... Because of the cold!!! Lol

[@luivis7]

Matt's patience is proof that god exists though, proof it's not!

[@nicholasharvey4393]

Karl Smith Oh yes, yes he was. The watchmaker argument, arguments from ignorance, arguments from miracles, etc...

[@TheDeven1000]

Dude didn't have a clue how evolution works

[@tylerkasuboski3366]

This video was cringe worthy. I almost kind of felt sorry for Reid Johnson because at times he was coming across as a near caricature of a apologist preacher. I SO hope someone in the audience picked up some info cause otherwise Matt should've stayed home in bed. Reid Johnson isn't even close to the level necessary to challenge Dillahunty in a debate.

[@gregwillson7952]

Christians deliberately misrepresent the claims of the theory of evolution. They pretend that it says a rock will spontaneously become a snake, and then they correctly say that that is ridiculous. That way they avoid talking about the actual theory. They aren't stupid. It isn't a complicated concept. They are lying on purpose, knowingly.

[@skepticallyskeptic]

@@gregwillson7952 idk I think this guy really doesn't understand. Why would you purposely make yourself look stupid?

[@gregwillson7952]

@Please Complete All Fields you're right, he probably got his bad arguments from one of those odious Christian home schooling texts.

[@MJ1341]

@Please Complete All Fields I like the comment he made that we dont see apes turning into humans. No shit sherlock. How can you turn into something you already are?

[@austinperkins8348]

You can see the preacher appealing to emotion and Matt simply focuses on logic.

[@youngjc5704]

He seemed like he was trying to use this debate to indoctrinate these kids

[@geriott609]

@@youngjc5704 These kids are lucky to have had matt in that room

[@ReleaseMyKrakken]

It's heart breaking to realize that Matt is the "minority"... and Reid is the Majority in this country (and around the world). Keep it up Matt. One mind at a time is all it takes!

[@UltraCasualPenguin]

Well, Matt thinks that quantum mechanics is pseudoscience so him being minority is good thing. Why? How do you think transistors inside your computer/smartphone work? Quantum mechanics. How do you think sensors that allow you to take photos and record video with digital cameras work? Quantum mechanics. How do you think LED backlights in your computer monitor/TV work? Quantum mechanics. How do you think MRI scanners works? Quantum mechanics.

[@rammsteinrulz16]

Quantum mechanics: the branch of mechanics that deals with the mathematical description of the motion and interaction of subatomic particles, incorporating the concepts of quantization of energy, wave-particle duality, the uncertainty principle, and the correspondence principle None of the things you listed apply. Transistors have been around for decades and are used in electrical engineering. Sensors are simply in place to sense/detect entirely natural physical forces like sound or pressure. You don't need to be in quantum mechanics to know an LED is just a better lightbulb and works much the same way, and as for MRI scanners, you might as well be saying "fucking magnets, how do they work?" Seriously, a tertiary Google search will answer your questions and give you some perspective. Do your research.

[@rammsteinrulz16]

I honestly thought Finns were better than that.

[@UltraCasualPenguin]

@@rammsteinrulz16 Please, explain how transistors inside your computer/smartphone work without mentioning subatomic particles, specifically electrons. You have 2 weeks. Time starts now. Can you also explain how sensors in digital cameras work without mentioning subatomic particles, specifically electrons? Also, explain how LED backlighting in you monitor/TV works without mentioning subatomic particles, specifically electrons. You do know that MRI scanners take pictures, right? How do you get pictures? How does nuclear fusion in sun's core work if quantum physics isn't real?

[@magiclion]

@@UltraCasualPenguin He has a background in electronics. You're taking his flippant joke literally. The joke is that quantum mechanics is indeed mysterious and we're only beginning to investigate it. Like the cosmos and dark energy it could be described as pseudo-science given how little we know about it at this moment in time.

[@bkspicture]

How do you take someone seriously when they are indistinguishable from a parody?

[@jackweatherhead8171]

Hey that's a good saying

[@TheWorldsStage]

I know!! Also he's bald and has a cold. What's up with him, is he so desperate for people to listen to him that he's willing to debate while sick to a bunch of kids that probably don't even know who he is. That guy's a loser.

[@bkspicture]

Whitney D. This is exacly my point. I can see your comment being from an immature christian that swings insults to smeare what you consider the opposition. Or a immature atheist that wants to give christians a bad reputation and trolls people.

[@aysikl]

yeap... definitely stealing that freaking phrase...

[@TheWorldsStage]

Atheists are the easiest religion to troll

[@ryanstringer6813]

Oh God, using the watchmaker analogy on Matt was a mistake..

[@kapa1611]

ya xD this guy didn t do his homework...

[@MrHollywood1717]

How can you agree to do a public debate against someone and not watch any of their content? Especially from Matt Dillahunty whom has thousands of hours of him speaking accessible for free. This theist is a bumbling idiot.

[@paddlefar9175]

Yes, that anology is so poor! Also, praying to God seems so bizarre to me. Exactly how many praying people does it take exactly to get God to realise he made a super bad mistake and bring a dead baby back to life anyway?

[@MrHollywood1717]

PaddleFar I believe Facebook likes are God’s new preferred offering.

[@GKCanman]

I mean, he could at least done a google search on Matt and look at his youtube video titles.

[@MarlboroughBlenheim1]

The preacher’s attempt to dismiss evolution was excruciatingly pathetic.

[@berrybones3112]

His argument against evolution makes me think he’s only ever read one book in his life.

[@MarlboroughBlenheim1]

John Wolbert and I bet he’s not read that one in full

[@Steelmage99]

@Curtis Jones "BUT ENTIRELY TRUE." What was?

[@YleneP]

he really said we aren’t related bc they don’t speak as if there are 1000s of languages some not even using words but clicks and shit wtf

[@ThePixel1983]

@@berrybones3112 Yeah, but it's the good book, and it's a good book, because it is good and it's a book. 😉

[@marlanrodriguez2006]

I have a drinking game. Every time you think Matt would have put him on hold on AXP. Take a shot!

[@stevemcraemanager7119]

No thanks I'm trying to cut back on my drinking

[@theyeticlutch3486]

Hammered drunk 2 minutes in

[@BenWilson24]

I can't afford that much booze

[@nicosteffen364]

You want to kill me? Or that i kill myself with an overdose? No no!

[@avedic]

I'm not THAT keen on dying....

[@LamirLakantry]

43:30 Reid Johnson thinks Columbus discovered that the Earth was round. Really!? Does he also think that Neil Armstrong discovered that the moon wasn't made of cheese!?

[@denverarnold6210]

@@rampagingswine9475 you think it's destroyed now, wait until the moon finally leaves earth's orbit...

[@adityasinha2848]

@@denverarnold6210 do you really think anyone here would be alive to see that?

[@denverarnold6210]

@@adityasinha2848 not likely, but we can make a pretty good guess at the effect, and they're pretty bad.

[@chunkycornbread4773]

I like how at 1:20:00 Matt was making an excellent point about the morality of being punished forever and Reid was like "well I don't want to get into that were running out of time". What an obvious dodge.

[@Atamastra]

If Reid didn't argue so terribly, excuse such blatant atrocity and cruelty, and come to the table with such a shallow understand of topics he has been indoctrinated to reject, I would probably have let him dodge that, cuz it is a complex topic, especially for Christians (ironically enough 🙄), but I think he suddenly became of his own cognitive dissonance and quickly pulled the mental tarp back over. All in all, I'd call this preacher evil on this one part about forcing kids to love you (while completely ignoring the sky daddy with the torture basement) if he wasn't so clearly lacking the education to understand why he is evil.

[@jeffstike3195]

"We cant prove that dogs came from wolves"?!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is dumbest thing said in this debate!! Dear Reid please pick up a book beside your Bible!! I recommend anything on evolution!

[@NothingHereForYou]

@@UberGastronomer Matt's face too. Looked like he zoned out on everything after that statement until he was able to speak about it

[@lordfrieza3792]

Don't forget the flabbergasting statement by Reid : (I've never met an "ape person".) Me, him, and everyone else alive are still apes by definition. It's like He wants us to find a half Dachshund half dog or a half Mallard half duck. Creationists almost never understand how subclassification works at all.

[@javeydones5163]

“God could absolutely stop the drunk driver that killed my aunt” -Yes but instead, god chose to use your aunts life as a plot device for the story of your life. How awful is that?

[@VolrinSeth]

It's like those ego-centric Christians thanking god for surviving a disaster when nearly everyone else involved has died.

[@javeydones5163]

Thomas Eshuis Yes yes of course. Every time god let someone you love die, it was only to make you stronger. Because their lives were just plot and fodder for you, the main character in Gods favorite story. Of course that wouldn’t make someone sound arrogant at all 😬

[@chunkycornbread4773]

It's like taking survivors bias to the next level

[@joesg5944]

Can’t believe he said that.

[@johnbrophy6159]

In the Bible there's a lot of this kind of sacrificing the wellbeing of person A in order to teach person B some form of lesson. - God allowed Job's entire family to be wiped out to test his devotion. - Isaac was used to teach Abraham a lesson. - Even Jesus was used as a sacrificial proxy for God, etc... Not once were they ever asked what they thought about being used for someone else's benefit. They were forcibly "volunteered". And we know that Jesus wasn't thrilled about being sacrificed because he actually tried to get out of it. Because this sacrifice-by-proxy concept occurs so often in the Bible, is it any wonder that believers find no issue with using his aunt's death for his benefit?

[@TundraRun]

That was painful to watch, especially liked the part where Matt essentially said his Mom was being crazy for thinking the Hurricanes and Eclipses were a sign of the end times. Then Ried turned around and basically agreed with his Mom. Comedy gold

[@calebmatthews2026]

Rob Dipker but Revelation.... The Apocalypse, God wants people to suffer.... It's for the good of his kingdom... You just don't see it because you're a cynical atheist who is mad at god. 😂😂😂😂😂

[@henrik2518]

I'm 22 minutes in....if anything Reid Johnson has almost succeeded in making me pray to every god imaginable to make him stop talking.

[@shannongreene1796]

Amen

[@joesg5944]

And did he stop? Hehehe

[@mrmaat]

Reid is so ignorant of modern evolutionary theory, and his quote mining is quite dishonest.

[@_-AB-_]

I am sure he had no idea that "quote mining" has been exposed multiple times, may be that's why he "quote mined" Dawkins while pretending to quote him.

[@mrmaat]

Code Bender quote mining is taking a section of text out of context and using it to support an argument that the original author did not make. It’s what the author(s) of the gospels did with Old Testament verses quite frequently and it is a dishonest rhetorical device.

[@_-AB-_]

@@mrmaat yes, I know, learned about it from Dawkins (actually, not learned, but crystallized an amorphous idea). Thanks for taking out time and expanding it for other readers as well. It will stay here for a long time and many would get better understanding.

[@mrmaat]

Code Bender Sure, I couldn’t tell if you were being sarcastic or not. Cheers!

[@ShoulderUnderwear]

Right, like his argument that “if humans came from apes, wouldn’t you still see some people who were a little hairy and a little less intelligent *does bad ape impression*” What the fuck even was that? Honestly don’t even know what he was trying to accomplish or argue about with that.

[@thelogoth]

Love how the guy dodged the: who made sin question at the end. Yes yes.. if your child doesn't love you,, torture him/her forever.. that's how any sane loving person will behave... Of caaaaause. 😂😂😂

[@bryanoberholtzer]

The moderator is great. But I couldn't help but chuckle when he said, "Great points from both sides" after Matt thoroughly killed Reid's equivocation of faith.

[@TrippyKenpachi]

He flat out lied when he said that, lol. All Reid did was preach and spew thoroughly debunked nonsense. (Also, sorry I’m a bit late to the party.)

[@trevlac2000]

That’s why he’s a moderator and we’re not 🤪

[@kylerrodriguez5658]

The moderator/teacher also only mentioned the points that Matt made as points worth writing down

[@SNORKYMEDIA]

@@trevlac2000 he's a moderator because he made himself the moderator

[@lazylenni1017]

Same. I am not sure either, if I would have expressed such a neutral statement, if I was the moderator.

[@jfinite]

Wow, just wow. The theist's ignorance is astounding.

[@helenohenzo2239]

astounding is people who live as creator, doer... while denying creation, plus judging while denying theism. how dumb can you get to not know to make sense of reality you have to use God

[@MultipleOcelots]

I made it 3 minutes into the theist before i started FFWing. Its the same tired and debunked arguments.

[@pumpuppthevolume]

xD ikr what the hell was the part with sports illustrated...... if someone has spent their life in studying Brahma they really know Brahma..... wtf.... perfect logic ............ as if his fairy-tale hillarious prophecies r any different from any other super generic pathetic prophecy or made up miracle from any other religion that is believed on nothing but faith

[@alchemicalheathen]

You'd need to show that this is a creation.

[@joannereadxxx]

HELENO HENZO I thought I'd seen the back of you when I quit twitter

[@Microverse1]

Kudos to Matt for entertaining this charade of a debate in order to speak some truth to the kids. This was the most embarrassing "debate" I've seen in... well, maybe ever. Ooph

[@Ishkur23]

Well, I'm so glad to hear that God took time out of his busy schedule to help Reid Johnson with his $11,000 debt problem rather than tackle some of the more pressing issues like disease, famine or global warming. Starving children in Africa? Who cares. White Christian pastor ran out of money? I got your back, buddy! Also, the Packers need a first down and that musician needs to win a Grammy. God's priorities are as mysterious as his ways and his existence.

[@Spencerwalker21]

Ishkur23 show me a child you get all the cookies if you get that reference

[@zombierambo2483]

That debt story was bullshit piled on top of bullshit.

[@Spencerwalker21]

David Anewman poor thing did you get hurt do you need a safe space

[@StraightEdgeHeathen]

that's exactly what i thought as well. god gave this guy money, but he won't save people from natural disasters that he caused or cure dying moral people from a disease that he gave them. god is real because he gave reid johnson money. wow. good argument. how self-centered are these people?

[@bobcabbit6343]

You guys are missing something entirely. God didn't give this guy anything... people gave this guy money! At no point did jesus show up with his checkbook. People who went to the festavle, enjoyed it, and gave him money for it. Also I have to tap into Seth Andrews for a moment and mention that during his whole spiel about the woman with the aorta issue he didnt once mention the doctors that did the surgery, nor the medication she likely needed afterwards or the scientists who discovered it. Even the emts that kept her alive during her journey to the hospital were ignored. I love how these people will call something a miracle that was completely brought about by human hands.

[@XossRoads]

Good job Matt. This was difficult to listen to as your opponent was a walking dictionary of fallacies and irrationality. Glad the kids had a rational perspective to listen to.

[@helenohenzo2239]

are u theist? you judged, atheist has no standard to judge

[@WoWisMagic]

Heleno, I won't get into everything wrong with that comment of yours but I will say this for fun: I know an actual judge who is an atheist. How's that possible?

[@byebry]

Good thing it wasn't a fallacy drinking game! Johnson hopped from one fallacy to the next so quick I would have been wasted by the 20 minute mark!

[@TomAnderson_81]

HELENO HENZO What is your standard?

[@bagamer13]

On what grounds do you assert that atheists have no standard to judge?

[@Dr.vonKrankenhausen]

Poor guy!!! He didn't know who he was dealing with and his god didn't even warn him!! LMFAO

[@smasher.338]

So he prays for money and gets some, then credits god. I guess god was busy when all of the people lost their homes and savings accounts during the recession in 08'. Maybe he just prayed harder...

[@BasilOnatopp]

I find it interesting that Reid agrees that faith and anecdotal evidence isn't enough on its own, yet his entire debate is "anecdote, anecdote, watchmaker, anecdote, argument from ignorance, anecdote, anecdote." Pretty sad, really.

[@mrcrowly11]

Jonathan Tabb great summary!

[@bcbwnews]

not that I agree, but I think what he was trying to get at was that faith by itself nor anecdotal evidence by itself are enough. *smash hands together* But together! they are a powerful combination.

[@benwhitnell]

One of my favorite sayings in regards to these debates is "the plural of anecdote is not evidence."

[@aurorafrost288]

And topped it off with claiming a natural and easily predictable phenomenon (the recent eclipse in the U.S.) as a sign from god.

[@mosaic617]

Fact guy the entirety of his argument was anecdotal

[@Strange9952]

"The bible proves other things in the bible." Facepalm

[@JMUDoc]

The Bible makes a prophecy, then (the Bible - and only the Bible - says) it was fulfilled.

[@JMUDoc]

@Papa Smurf We have no eyewitness reports of anything from Jesus's supposed life. What we do have would be considered hearsay in court - people writing what _other_ people saw. Does anybody think a court of law would convict Jesus of the "crime" of resurrecting, based on the "evidence" we have for it?

[@JMUDoc]

@Papa Smurf If somebody appeared in court - in person - and testified that they saw somebody rise from the dead, would that carry any weight? Now imagine it's not somebody testifying that _they_ saw it, but that somebody _else_ saw it... would that carry more weight, or less? Now imagine that second person is testifying thirty years after the events - more weight, or less? The last situation is closest to Christianity.

[@JMUDoc]

@Papa Smurf It was an analogy, which is why I put it in inverted commas. If we're going to subject the Jesus claim to a courtroom standard, what is discussed in courtrooms?

[@JMUDoc]

@Papa Smurf My point is that we have no first-hand testimony from anybody who _purportedly_ saw it; we have people writing what others _said_ they saw, thirty years after the fact. We have better evidence - first-hand testimony - for alien abductions, and almost no Christian believes in those.

[@vdarkobar]

Hi Matt, how depressing was it for you to listen to this guy?

[@necko2529]

Darko Vuković, zamisli, kako bi bilo teško slušati nekog našeg apologist, it's why I can't talk religion with our people. Just over 20 years ago we were knee deep in blood over religion back in ex-YU. Kind wishes and best regards from warm Phoenix AZ, Nedžad Agić.

[@vdarkobar]

Necko Agic Hi my friend, I'm not sure where we are currently in our vicious circle but seems to me things are still bubbling beneath the surface at Balkans... People are still covering their old wounds with the religious band-aids, competing who will build the bigger place of worship only to hear hate preachers do their thing... Pišem ti ovo (relativno) udaljen od naše zemlje čuda, iz hladne (ali ne u srcu) njemačke. :) Sve najbolje!

[@necko2529]

Darko Vuković, I left Bosnia shortly after it all ended and it took some time to get over it. Leaving Islam definitely helped me to look at it rationally and without any bias that all three sides, that were in conflict, have. I was a little kid when it all went down but I still had hatred instilled in me from the day I could understand what was happening. Now, some 20 years later, I really don't look at it thru religious grasses but rather try to figure out how to move on and what would be the best way about going forward. See, I have a hard time seeing those handful of countries in the Balkans, getting anywhere in the future without repeat bloodshed as long as we have strong religious stranglehold on people and where youth is constantly being fed hate and everything coming down to who has the right book and the true god. As long as people are being born and raised there to parents with the same mentality, not much will change. People have to raise kids in complete oblivion to what happened not too long ago for that region to move on but that's impossible when so many people lost so much that it's just not humanly possible to wake up one day and pretend like nothing ever happened. It's truly saddening.

[@TyphoidBryan]

Right, Matt was already sick.

[@dollarbill2208]

Necko, congratulations. That's a tough one to leave. As far as religion remaining in the Balkans, the next biggest problem we face if not for religion is the struggle for natural resources. With this said, religion shouldn't have to be a problem, but it is. I don't think the struggle for natural resources is avoidable.

[@misterdeadhead]

Holy shit Reid was my pastor when I was a teen, and I’ve watched Matt Dillahunty for 6 years now and it’s wild to see him debate someone I know.

[@buckiesmalls]

@@karlsmith7016 Exactly how were they blessed?

[@buckiesmalls]

@@karlsmith7016 OKAY..? I do (and billions others) that without god.

[@buckiesmalls]

@@karlsmith7016 Times billions.. And thanks for your graciousness to 'allow' all those their choice. So generous of you. One in your position could minimize those choices with facts though..

[@buckiesmalls]

@@karlsmith7016 I know.. I was being facetious. So why even say anything about choice?

[@buckiesmalls]

@@karlsmith7016 just saying your presumption of god has no bassist in reality. All outcomes would have been the same whether you believe or not. Praying has been studied and has the same outcome as chance.

[@BasilOnatopp]

Holy shit! While Reid looked up his verse concerning prophecies, Matt joked about the eclipse, then told a silly story about earthquakes and touched on hurricanes. Then, Reid immediately talks about the eclipse, hurricanes, and earthquakes potentially being the fulfillment of prophecy. I've never been so dumbfounded.

[@expaddler]

End times prophecies. So far they have failed 100% of the time. I think it would be wise to stay away from that argument.

[@leebennett4117]

Danny Taylor Well they can Keep Predicting the End of the world and oneday they will be Right!All this End of the World,Flat earth,God nonsense it's such a waste of Human intellect,From a Stick to Harvest ants from a hole to a Machine that can think for itself,I look at people who Believe in a God and seems we have learned nothing

[@dukelmg1]

Jonathan Tabb That was actually really awkward to watch lol. It's crazy how low their standard of evidence is

[@DennisSweatt]

Matt, no offense to Reid but he isn't qualified to debate at your level. He's rehashing debunked assertions, repeating his premise and quoting unqualified apologists.

[@nicholasharvey4393]

Karl Smith It should be qualified, otherwise your belief is unjustified. I think it is, you ought to.

[@cheeesefunnel]

seriously dude? believe no god huh, have you ever heard of the pyramids? the pyramids clearly tell us that our god is from Orion, unless you think humans lift 90 ton blocks 400 feet high, and aligned them with the belt of orion by guessing , study the tree of life dude, youre way behind

[@CommieApe]

@@cheeesefunnel lol ill assume you arent a troll. Despite what the history channel told you The Pyramids were made from stone in the near by waterways. The material was transported to the site then the blocks were made as they were placed and stacked. They probably did use slaves but they didnt drag massive stone tablets up hundreds of feet. This was simply ancient people using techniques we would use without technology.

[@cheeesefunnel]

humans stacked 2-70 ton blocks 400 feet high?

[@drummingtildeath]

@@cheeesefunnel well it's either that or it was magic I guess!

[@westingtyler1]

If this is how religion is presented in public schools, I want it in EVERY classroom. Debate it.

[@daviddunlap3968]

westingtyler ideas lol. For real. This can't convince anyone who isn't convinced

[@nathanmckenzie904]

Take a drink everytime the preacher makes a logical fallacy. Prior to that please sign a waiver holding my not responsible for your liver dying

[@Джонатан-р8д]

🤣🤣🤣🤪🤢🤮

[@smasher.338]

☠

[@katyungodly]

You would be very buzzed only 20 minutes into this video!

[@thickerconstrictor9037]

You're promoting suicide haha!!

[@buckiesmalls]

LIVER DYING.. read that literally.. LOL.

[@Infamous1503]

The scary thing is that Christians would watch this and applaud the theist for the outstanding job he did.

[@PapaFool]

Infamous 1503 that isn't a surprise

[@runcaz7802]

I'm afraid you're right.

[@CleanFamilyVideos]

No, some of us are embarrassed.

[@grumples1517]

CleanFamilyVideos To be fair, you should already have been embarrassed for being a theist.

[@grumples1517]

@@chris61981 that is because you are a moron, though.

[@tobymartin2137]

"We've never seen a change of kind..." Damn, it was so lucky for him he wasn't debating Aron Ra.

[@chaos_incarnate5131]

AronRa would've crushed him, grinded him, and snorted him like cocaine.

[@Slum0vsky]

Well, that is correct, we never did... as 'kinds' aren't a thing.

[@James-ye7rp]

Ring Species

[@roems6396]

James Right? Every religious evolution denier says that we have never seen speciation. All you have to see is “ring species”. That’s why the made up the term “kind”, because they don’t like the definition of species.

[@lordfrieza3792]

@@chaos_incarnate5131 agreed and I just got to say your comment literally made my sides hurt with how hard it made me laugh. 😂

[@ScorpionXII]

The last quarter of the video is a prime example of why an open discussion is vastly superior than a silly debate format where each guy talks for 10 minutes. The theist guy was completely stumped in a real time discussion because he didn't have 10 minutes to figure out how to dodge Matt's arguments.

[@seanarmstrong1156]

i agree - the best debate is always open discussion + a good moderator who is capable to see when one party starts dodging the question

[@dillonhamilton2914]

The teacher: “Those are great points from both sides.” Me: Uhh... Those were good points from one side! Every time. Just one side. And I don’t think I need to say which.

[@rG1vZ]

Think he was basically obligated to do that to appear neutral 😂

[@lazylenni1017]

@@rG1vZ I am almost certain, that this is the case.

[@Gdean25]

I used to wonder how Matt was so patient, especially when I first started sort of transitioning to atheism. Now, I’m much calmer. I’ve heard a lot of the same stuff, so it isn’t as jarring when someone says something batshit crazy. Matt still runs circles around me

[@ericmishima]

Gui Deandrade good for you! I'v also been on the same struggle and I was really calm on this one. 1. Kalam .. check 2. Watchmaker ... check 3. Anecdote ... check!

[@ricksanchez9288]

Gui Deandrade I had to stop watching debates with William Lane Craig, Ken Ham, the Hovind morons, etc... I used to get so angry at their pompous ignorance. Matts patience, knowledge, eloquence, have helped me so much! 😆 I love him. 😊

[@acerbicatheist2893]

The "trick" to the whole thing is simply personal honesty with a few lumps of scepticism...backed by data, this leads inexorably to methodological naturalism, humanism (although my compassion is not limited to humans, and I try really hard to be a vegetarian...) and invincibility, in the sense of being able to find equilibrium in spite of all attempts of theists to descend into hysteria - a terrible word, but it does avoid a deal of circumlocution. Oh dear...he's been yakking for 2 minutes and he mentions Lee Strobel...please spare me.

[@jamesppesch]

It's incredible for someone like myself who attended seminary, was a pastor, and grew up with the "miracles" happening in our penecostal church, I had no idea how silly it all was until I stumbled upon Derren Brown's Fear & Faith Special; I have not heard any argument for a God that holds any water under scrutiny. The best I have heard boils down to the circular reasoning of the Kalam which makes some wild assertions to get us to a cause, but not an Uncaused Cause or a Being. Nope. Not even close. Hitchens destroyed Frank Turek in one debate by accepting the conclusion of the Kalam temporarily just to demonstrated that it ends at the Universe had a Cause and that's it. Is there anyone among us who is not willing to accept that the universe has a physical or natural cause? Who argues that point or cares to?

[@vinnytaranova6163]

I think it's because atheism isn't a belief that needs to be protected... it's more like an acceptance of information. If information changes , it's okay , that's actually what we are interested in having happen.

[@mikeanical7312]

His whole argument is an argument from ignorance fallacy. Saying I don’t have an explanation for X therefore X was because of god. This is flawed reasoning.

[@nicholasharvey4393]

Karl Smith Which shows that he has flaws in his reasoning of his reasoning.

[@archapmangcmg]

Not quite, some of his argument was the Kalam right AFTER Matt destroyed that argument. Reid obviously didn't have an intelligent designer or God on his side to fall on his sword like that. That's the "Too stupid to debate" fallacy. ;)

[@tryintoreason9738]

Matt finishes speaking... Moderator: [oh shit!] Moderator: I want ALL of you to KNOW that the point of today is NOT to sway you one way or the other... Ladies and gents, this is why this kind of thing has been rare over the years. In most cases, the teachers are hearing the true atheist position and arguments for the first time too.

[@timothybrewer527]

Hah. I wasn't hearing this for the first time. I had to present myself as objective as possible so parents couldn't complain I was pushing an agenda one way or another.

[@tryintoreason9738]

@@timothybrewer527 why would parents complain that you were allowing a person to voice an opinion? Is allowing a person to speak "pushing an agenda"?

[@timothybrewer527]

I don't know what you're getting at. I, as a teacher, am not supposed to push an agenda - religiously, politically. That's why I had to do my best to remain neutral.

[@tryintoreason9738]

@Bob Rabbins Actually, I am a teacher, as is my wife. I understand the concept of remaining purposefully neutral... which is why you add the disclaimer BEFORE the positions are stated, not after someone is starting to sound persuasive. You might also notice that I said "in most cases..." not necessarily in this case. Appearances are not always accurate. The tone and timing of the disclaimer could well have been incidental. But it sure didn't sound that way.

[@blacksabbath1022]

@@timothybrewer527 There is no question you knew who Matt was prior to this. I took you for an atheist. Was it your idea to bring Matt in to slaughter the theist?lol

[@chasepotter341]

“If you pray, you’ll know I won this debate.” That’s the whole damn issue, Reid! Praying to determine who won in a debate on atheism is the most counterintuitive practice imaginable…

[@NathanNostaw]

Matt debated, but Reid just preached. Very poor points and a poor debate attempt by Reid. He clearly is way out of his depth and just rambling. He tried to use emotion and feeling over any form of logic or evidence.

[@wholebrain8457]

I wish my highschool focused that much on critical thinking.

[@itellthetruthabtu2378]

I love watching these ministers getting mopped around on the floor with logic and reasoning. Makes my day.

[@JMUDoc]

"Evolutionist"? That's along the lines of "gravity-ist" or "electromagnet-ist".

[@nathanmckenzie904]

I like the idea of being called a plate tectonicist

[@phxcppdvlazi]

@@nathanmckenzie904 😂😂

[@teamatfort444]

Yes I’m a “Newtonian gravity-ist”

[@JackgarPrime]

"Globe Earth-ist"

[@denverarnold6210]

Careful. From what I've heard of their assertions, flat earthers could be called electromagnet-ists.

[@dariusnoname12]

Christians always do good in their opening part. But when questions come at them, everything falls apart. This is perfect example.

[@publicguy1664]

Disagree, that pastor idiot failed to make a single compelling point.

[@isaiahbangura4421]

@@publicguy1664 Cause all he knows how to do is preach

[@katyungodly]

I disagree. The guy’s opening statement was bad from the outset. He used the laughable “it takes more faith to be an atheist than a Christian” argument 😂

[@malcolmhodnett8874]

@@katyungodlyand the dreaded “i used to be an atheist”. I think that puts you lower than someone who’s always been a theist as far as credibility. Maybe that isn’t fair

[@JesseTheGameDev]

We need some evidence, *proceeds to go into an anecdote".

[@skeptikkabinett2004]

Respect to you Matt, that you took time to go there and do this debate. To do a good thing for that class and for the young mids that listened to you. Especially now that your popularity is growing, now that you share stages with Harris and Dawkins, you showed again and again from what high quality stuff you are maid of. Excuse my english, is not my first language and I don't find the right words to express what i truly mean.

[@1TotalJabroni]

Skeptik Kabinett - you did a great job expressing your point! Matt is fighting a hard battle, and he deserves our admiration and support.

[@grumpypoof9648]

LOL, your english is better then most Americans man.

[@BeeBeeCJr]

Fart Bubble FACT.

[@dollarbill2208]

Quit wallowing in self-inferiority. Your English is fine! It's better than many who's first language is English.

[@DavidMichaelKalman]

I don't think this preacher knows what "50/50" means.

[@losttribe3001]

I haven't watch the entire debate, but I'm up to the 23 minute mark and I'm annoyed at Reid. First, my wife works at a children's hospital that has kids sick and dying EVERYDAY. I guarantee that most of the parents of those kids are praying and are NOT getting the same results as the woman Reid is describing. Then... But more directly related to me, my wife's mom died of brain cancer 3 weeks ago. She went to church, paid tithing, and had lots of friends and family praying for her. She was a sweet and "Christ-like" woman. She didn't get the same results as the woman Reid is describing.

[@losttribe3001]

David Anewman On a scale of 0 to 100%, how confident are you that Jesus is the Lord and Savior?

[@losttribe3001]

David Anewman 2 Timothy 1:8 How confident are you in your belief?

[@rizzorizzo2311]

David Anewman God only heals people at about the rate of flipping a coin.....interesting coincidence, no?

[@notsoaveragejoe2039]

Wow calling someones recently deceased grandmother a "vile sinner", that's fucking despicable. Your an absolute scumbag.

[@Julian0101]

David Anewman's answer: "She was not christian enough so she was not worth saving"

[@thamasteroneill]

1:06:00 Idiot: Mat says dogs came from wolves over the last 8 to 10000 years. He has faith in that, we can't prove dogs came from wolves,. Me (screaming at the screen): Yes we can, yes we fucking can!

[@violeteyez17]

That was so frustrating. I hear ya.

[@CReaper210]

I _literally_ facepalmed when he said that. This dude is a fucking moron.

[@CorndogMaker]

Did you see that scene from airbender? "Can your science explain why it rains?"

[@thamasteroneill]

I think i know what scene you are referring to. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pJ6roIGoaNCIkLs

[@stefantherainbowphoenix]

kuro shini Yes, and we have stray dogs in Moscow that are "devolving" into wolves because the wolf-features are necessary for them to survive in the wilderness.

[@fairytaleoverworlds7795]

19:40 _"You have about 3 minutes."_ Matt: _"I wonder if I can squeeze in a nap."_

[@rekunta]

I love Matt’s expression as he’s sitting there trying to endure this dope. His anecdotes about miracles Matt is trying his best not to laugh. Classic.

[@richardrahl2685]

😂 i noticed that too.

[@xINF4MOUSx97]

"Evolutionist." "...devout in his atheism." "Now we know that lightning is a scientific creation." I was groaning out loud throughout Reid's portions of the debate.

[@bookwermofthefandoms]

MistuhWhite not 'a scientific creation' , science doesn't create, a natural occurence, crazy Reid

[@ixamraxi]

21:21 _"Im going, well if its the lords will... to save this baby, _*_that way I have an out,_*_ in case the baby's not saved, eh, it was the lords will the baby was suppose to die"_ Baby lives, God is amazing and prayer works. Baby dies, it was God's will, we aren't meant to know or understand the reasons these things happen, but its in accordance to his plan. That pretty much sums up Christianity, God can't lose.

[@TheYankeesUnited]

Amra exactly. If the house gets a cut no matter how the bets are rolled then yeah he can't lose.

[@MegaChickenfish]

It's easy to always win the coin toss if you have a two-headed coin.

[@jss302]

I am amazed he was so honest about himself in that moment and said it out loud. I wonder if that was an accident.

[@humbertojimmy]

Yeah, God is like Parker Lewis! Lol

[@vixevinweria8400]

MegaChickenfish it's more like the christian has a normal coin and they call heads and tails and don't let anyone else choose a side. because what they're doing doesn't really have any bearing on the outcome so they get their desired result(Heads) at the same rate as chance,but they are claiming victory regardless of what they get.

[@tomasanderson8928]

Classic Mat Dilahunty style. ..boots and a coke zero. with also some fatal arguments striking back. ..I love it. .

[@trouty7947]

I wish my highschool had debates like these for class.

[@Geologist_Mike]

This christian guy said he thinks that North American eclipses are evidence of “something happening with celestial beings.” He sounds like an undertaker from the dark ages. With a mind full of pseudoscience and supernatural beliefs this is what you get.

[@chrisa2351]

"Dogs came from wolves is faith", the watchmaker argument, and I think my favorite "Life is in the blood" is prophetic. Are you kidding me? You don't think 2000 years ago when someone ran a sword though someone else that they hadn't figured out that red goo that pours out all over the ground is kind of important. REALLY!? Let's also not forget about the "If you truly seek god, you'll know I won this debate" So if I set out to believe it, then I will believe it. And if I set out to believe it and don't believe it, then I didnt REALLY set out to believe it.... Wow. Just wow.

[@joshuaklein8429]

Red goo, lol

[@lordfrieza3792]

Don't forget the ridiculous statement "I've never met an ape person." Which is hilarious because literally me, him, and every other person he's ever met are not just like apes because we still are apes by definition.

[@NixDuto]

Reid needs to stop saying words

[@sstauby]

Reid tells these kids what to think. Matt teaches them HOW to think. I’m sorry they had to deal with Reid’s preaching and complete misunderstanding of evolution, numbers, coincidence, etc. But at least they had Matt as a counter to that and got some great information in the process from him.

[@天川光海]

I pray for money, oh and by the way I TELL PEOPLE I NEED MONEY. And guess what??? . . . . . . . . . . I get money!!!! MIRACLE!!!

[@crustydread]

"Now we know lightning is a scientific creation" -Reid Johnson 2017

[@EricSmyth4Christ]

Lol he should of went the "actually lightning DOES come from God" line haha

[@EricSmyth4Christ]

@@chris61981 ofc haha james 1 17 acts 17 25

[@metalhead0274]

@@chris61981 So lightning was made by a god who made the provisions that cause lighting, (lighting is caused not made).... and the god was made by man's imagination.. Gotcha

[@smasher.338]

@L M yaweh was influnced more by the zoroastrians and their god ahuru mazda. They are widely thought to be the first monotheistic religion.

[@3dge--runner]

I never cease to be blown away by the delusion held by these theists.

[@yadabub]

I'm not sure if he's lying to himself, or just to his audience. He's a little too slick. His 'anecdotes' are too polished. They're clearly designed to elicit an 'amen.' The question is, were they designed from the bottom up, or the top down? Was there substance to embellish(as they have been regardless,) or are they simply lies?

[@kimsland999]

I think the money examples of him just needing another $4500 (until an atheist saved him!!) showed its all about lies. Generally these lying Ministers aren't up with all of science so he's a dumb liar that's all.

[@ant9925]

yadabub he was most definitely lying. I'd love to play this guy in a cash game of poker.

[@noahclayborne5560]

This guy had the most generic fundie arguments ever

[@alchemicalheathen]

I like to try to find the good in the theists arguments so as to not get mired in cynicism. But this guy... "Do we have a good reason to believe in god? Yea we do, where did you come from, where did the universe come from?..." Basically, the reason to believe in god is ignorance (and a profound and hopefully not purposeful misrepresentation of science)

[@kimsland999]

I don't follow you? I've listened to hundreds (possibly thousands) or theists and I have NEVER heard a 'good' argument. Can you please state one and I'll inform you where you have been mislead to think a theist has ever made a good argument.

[@alchemicalheathen]

I suppose on the spectrum of good to bad arguments, while there are never 'good' arguments from the theists side, this guy's arguments have reached 'nail on the chalkboard' levels

[@kimsland999]

Agreed :)

[@MegaChickenfish]

Likewise. I try to listen to debates because I should avoid "echo chambers" of purely like minded individuals, right? So I listen, but *100%, without fail* of theistic arguments have been this bad, only serving to make me more cynical. I think it's just inevitable and am about ready to coin it "Richard Dawkins Syndrome."

[@seanjones2456]

How come all preachers sound similar?

[@santicruz4012]

Even the "mic drop" moments.. the cadence and the tone are so cliche by this point.

[@joshuaklein8429]

Because there is next to no development of the structure and content to theological content and debate practices. All of the people that produced the best of their arguments lived hundreds of years before the enlightenment and it’s been a slow trickle ever since. Since religion doesn’t bring about new thought about reality, they simply must fall back to just citing anecdotes and pleas to “just have faith” over and over.

[@leviphillip]

Seminary

[@buckiesmalls]

Because they spend more time practicing the message and not actually ensuring the message is true.

[@jaxter6610]

Religion: “It has never been proven” Science: “Yes it has” Religion: “No it hasn’t” Science: “Yes it has, what you are saying is false” Science vs religion in a nutshell

[@49perfectss]

Wow this was one sided. Great job Matt! Keep pushing religion into the past where it belongs!

[@JesusIstheNameTakenInVain]

His word will remain long after your gone.

[@49perfectss]

@@JesusIstheNameTakenInVain so will Mohammed's. I assume you are not a Muslim?

[@kaiza6467]

@@JesusIstheNameTakenInVain so will every other word, what’s your point? 😂 Speaking of words, here’s one you should learn: You’re

[@elfootman]

Argument from ignorance in a nutshell.

[@santiagoecarbajal]

- Sir, you left your car parked in the handicap spot and has been towed. - Well, uh, uh, I would like to give you a book that uh, denounce that...

[@ARationalObserver]

This is gold! It’s like all of the axp’s worst callers merged into one and came to debate Matt😂

[@ellarpc]

Preacher stories are always...preacher stories.

[@Guitcad1]

Matt performed well, as always, though I think time constraints prevented him from pursuing some lines as far as I would have liked. Reid Johnson, as I find is often the case with Matt's debate opponents, had me sitting here imagining what it would be like to drive nails into my own forehead. [The following, copied and pasted from my comment on Patreon] I will never cease to marvel Matt's ability to be patient and civil towards people I only ever find myself wanting to punch in the face. That dogs are descended from wolves is a "faith based position"? with NO PROOF? on par with belief in a god? Oh, FUCK ME with a FORKLIFT!

[@helenohenzo2239]

faith? dog and wolf can interbreed.

[@EJ-bn3tc]

Technically it’s a wolf-like ancestor, but I feel you

[@cartmanrlsusall]

Defensor Rationis I'm a forklift operator that cut and paste had me laughing like a fool

[@pumpuppthevolume]

henzo wolf and hyena?

[@assalane]

I wouldn't recommend forklifts. They are known to leave things hanging

[@theduece82]

Do theists ever considered that a doctor can misdiagnose? Instead of just running off claiming miracle. And why do you need doctors anyway when you got prayer?

[@Spencerwalker21]

theduece82 basically his argument is if you're Healed it's a miracle if not it's a plan basically God can't lose

[@ericmishima]

theduece82 have you heard Tim Minchins song clled Thank You God .... so funny really worth a listen.

[@itainteazy11]

They trust the doctor when the doctor's diagnosis is healed by their god.

[@dougpridgen9682]

Mr. Reid is painful to listen to. Definitely not smarter than a fifth grader.

[@sladey21]

Your pic lol

[@sladey21]

Karl Smith Yeah, a degree in being a bell end.

[@sladey21]

@@chris61981 Just a person with logical thinking.

[@seanjones2456]

@@chris61981 Yah, what does that say?

[@seanjones2456]

@@chris61981 Our vice president believes adam and eve is a true story. Karl, your comments are evidence that you are an ignoramus.

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

I'm dreadfully sorry about Reid Johnson. A couple years ago I was practicing to be an editorial artist, by creating an overly cartoonish caricature of a preacher. Suddenly the drawing came to life and ran off, and I'd been wondering what happened to him ever since.

[@chezeus1672]

my forehead hurts, and my neighbors probably now think i have tourette... this theist is unbearable.

[@ericmishima]

che zus lol I can picture it so clearly.

[@MMAGamblingTips]

che zus Friend, the Bible told us the world is a sphere before Columbus “discovered” it 1492. How can you argue with such sound logic? LOL LOL 😂

[@calebmatthews2026]

Amén brother.... I want to throw things too.... But I can't afford a new screen.

[@ricksanchez9288]

che zus Haha! 😂 Yes he is! 😧 (*cough** sshhiitt balls*cough*)😜😜😜

[@izzombol1]

che zus You gave me the best laugh I have in month. Go do stand up! This video tests ones ability to stay calm for sure .

[@johnnydelgoto]

WOW as soon as Reid got into evolution he COMPLETELY embarrassed himself he clearly hasn't read the first page of any book on evolution

[@jonathanjensen7769]

Karl Smith are you kidding me?

[@Ritchandmeaty]

Reid starts getting preachy as the debate starts going over his head. He was definitely out of his league. Great work Matt. Saw you at The Ohio State University And hope to catch you again.

[@calebmatthews2026]

Sean Ritch starts??... He slapped that grinny Olsteen smile and haughty holier than thou voice on the first 5 seconds. I'm surprised he didn't call Matt, brother Matt 😂😂

[@TheOddSavants]

18 minutes in... I'm gonna watch the whole thing because of Matt... But I'm wondering how much it's gonna hurt to listen to this guy's played out arguments

[@michaelvout7813]

It hurts a lot. I had to look away at times. Painful.

[@stylis666]

@@michaelvout7813 I'm 20 minutes in and I'm hoping to find some sanity in the comments while I wait for Matt to start talking again so I can breathe again. That guy is so painful in his pathological need for answers, regardless if they're correct.

[@allgodsmyth7318]

Reid Johnson clearly won this debate. He absolutely supported the debate topic, categorically making his case, providing one valid example after another in support of the thesis: Do we have horrible, ridiculous reasons for believing in God? Yes, yes Reid you do! Furthermore, he... wait, what? Oh. I read that wrong. The topic was "good reasons?" Really? And Reid was serious? Oh you've got to be kidding. Um, never mind.

[@jamesparson]

I was waiting for Reid to mention tides going in and tides going out.

[@kozhedub]

You got me heated for a second

[@johnpranger2209]

"Change of kinds...." Didn't we resolve this ages ago?

[@jamesparson]

Check if Ray Comfort is still doing his shtick

[@Magicandpassion]

AllGodsMyth linked vids my account

[@PlanetBongoSan]

teacher / moderator seems like a decent sort of cat. good job buddeh!

[@jinxy72able]

Sorry Reid old boy! The Hubble telescope is not what we used to discover there were billions of stars and Galaxies. We had already discovered there were more than a couple thousand stars long before the Hubble telescope, even before Edwin Hubble himself was born.

[@wdsbhb]

jinxy72able heck, the guy thought Columbus discovered that the earth was round.

[@LiborTinka]

"Everything has a cause" Soo... what caused your god?! If god had no cause, then there IS something without cause and your argument breaks down.

[@yfe24]

The argument is "everything that begins to exist has a cause", and when paired with the proposition "god has always existed", god is made the exception to the rule.

[@casparuskruger4807]

That opens the gate for them to enter special pleading la-la land.

[@williamhorn411]

@@yfe24 Then that's special pleading fallacy. Otherwise you could apply the same logic to reality itself and you've gotten no further.

[@coreaccount4376]

They want me to laugh at the idea that simple fundamental particles came from nothing. But want me to accept that a complex conscious being came from nothing. They create exemptions for god, but can't tell you why these exemptions should only apply to their god, but never to anything else. They say complexity cannot arise without a designer, and use nature as an example of complexity that infers a designer. But what is god an example of...if not complexity that arose without a designer. So God exists and is complex, but complexity cannot exist without a designer??

[@darthlynx5792]

@@williamhorn411 It's not, it's the Kalam cosmological argument. Its still wrong, but it's not special pleading.

[@LogicAndReason2025]

Johnson is soooooooooooo disingenuous, I have a hard time believing he even believes what he is saying.

[@magiclion]

True. It's just a good paying job lying to people.

[@harrythompson9315]

He is bad faith forsure

[@harrythompson9315]

@@chris61981 do you know what I mean by "bad faith"?

[@harrythompson9315]

@@chris61981 arguing from bad faith has nothing to do with faith or trust in God.

[@misterdeadhead]

I know Reid, homeboy believes what he says lol

[@jamesvwest2511]

Holy cow... around 45 minutes into this thing the guy goes deep deep deep down the well of ignorance. I feel sorry for him. I mean that sincerely. I haven't read the comments below, and I'm sure he has been savaged. But I just feel like he needs a hug and a book.

[@zerokmatrix]

True, it was not a debate, Reid was just preaching a sermon, punctuated with Matt destroying him. It was all over when he mentioned the watch fallacy and then when he said "ape-people" he should have just got his coat and left. I felt sorry for him when he said that. I don't begrudge people's beliefs, but when they try and persuade other's minds by force or indoctrination.

[@TheTpointer]

I m at 47 minutes and had to stop because it hurts so much. I m relieved im not alone feeling this way at this point of the video.

[@NoelBuller]

@@chris61981 You're either Reid on an alt or his number one stan.

[@James-ye7rp]

No, he is dishonest to the public and himself.

[@James-ye7rp]

@@chris61981 yes, he is.

[@cherryfrost5190]

Me at the pearly gates. God: “so the basketball statistic analogy didn’t do it for you did it?” Me: “uhhh no?” God: “welp have fun in hell!”

[@derfuzzy8854]

When he sermoned this analogy, a thought came to me: What if there was a sports-analyst, who ‚predicted‘ the outcome of games with miraculuous acurracy? What‘s the first thing, that came to our minds? It would not be: this man is a prophet. It would be: this game is rigged. The apostles rigged the Jesus-game by writing his stories in ways, that he would exactly fulfill them.

[@deadly_dave]

Oh my word, Reid Johnson has so little understanding.