WHO IS THE REAL PROBLEM IN THE MIDDLE EAST?... Douglas Murray & Matt Dillahunty

[@Pangburn]

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[@erikt1713]

As an atheist I can see that I could live in Israel without any trouble but not among the Palestinian Arabs.

[@nadakbar]

said who?

[@redeyefiend]

@@nadakbar History.

[@nadakbar]

​@@redeyefiend by history you mean the oppression and displacement and jen o side of the palestinian people by the europeon zionist colonists. Glad we are on the same page

[@MattSingh1]

@@redeyefiend **citation needed*

[@redeyefiend]

@@MattSingh1 Arab countries do not like anyone other than muslims. Google it.

[@SingSing-g3c]

I love Douglas Murray ❤ hes the best!

[@dannygolightly865]

at what? stirring up hatred? being a dreadful stoolie for the worst of Israel's actions? obfuscating and misleading? finding a group of people to blame for perceived problems. a bit like Hitler?

[@jiminverness]

Agreed!

[@LloydChristmas-vx2wh]

💯

[@davidfrisken1617]

Yeah, but not a good thinker.

[@gagacoco5577]

God bless Douglas ❤speaking the truth always 🙏

[@frankiewally1891]

how empty headed can you be,to say Douglas speaking truth;you are a sorry fool.

[@kenobecks3359]

​@@frankiewally1891 Expand?

[@frankiewally1891]

@@kenobecks3359 do research on this goon...

[@norga2063]

Shut the front door..😂😂😂😂 he is a lying kant.. an islamophobe and paid by aipac

[@davidfrisken1617]

I don't get it. He is not a good thinker. On the level of weinstein.

[@mantasr]

Douglas Murray is the greatest of all time. He even understands the peculiarities of us Eastern Europeans

[@davidfrisken1617]

Yeah, but not a good thinker.

[@wordwarrior2350]

My answer: If the muslim leaders taught a concept of peace and applied it to other people and other religions then peace is possible, but if they teach about expansion and that the world should give in to Islam then there would be a problem. Having said that, if "Everybody" saw converting to being Muslim as a solution. This would bring forth the question: Why is Islam divided in two with one controlling and/or dominating. Couldn´t that create a war, or a greater division than today. if some Muslims think they can convert/change the people in India, China, as well as The USA, and other Christians they have more than a great problem.

[@Justmyopinionsir-q4v]

The main problem that Islam has is that it is a closed ideology. Anything outside of Islam and sharia law will be destroyed. So, the world will be stagnant and everyone will live like they are in 600 ad. There is a reason why Muslims wiped out their intellectuals and became hermits for hundreds of years after the Islamic golden age. That's the reason why they and china got conquered, because of not adapting to progress and to science.

[@janelouisebriggs2999]

Converting to Islam will bring no answers whatsoever. The truth sets free...

[@toddleith4106]

If juice didn't have the backing of the us military, we'd have peace..

[@FenrirLupo]

@@toddleith4106 are you fighting in a war right now?

[@nathanvandermeer]

At least in the West, religion is generally dying, not growing and that is a fantastic thing to say the least. Religion is a virus of the mind.

[@ssrmy1782]

Dillahunty going on about Star Trek and a one world government reinforces my conception of him as an infantile, utopian clown. Murray was being polite by not intellectually tearing him to pieces. These people do not live in reality.

[@michellec1866]

I wander where his “humanistic morality” comes from?😂

[@zose6289]

There is no culture that he cherishes and yet he wants to protect humanity even though he does not cherish any of their cultures. So he protects what he does not cherish. Pretentious infantile clown, yes.

[@enigma_-_79]

We already have a one world government, what is being discussed now is how do we stop them. All governments get their marching orders from the UN and are following the ideas of the WEF.

[@lewinwickes9882]

Not to mention that he wears elf boots.

[@enigma_-_79]

@@lewinwickes9882 What are elf boots? They sound cute. I’m picturing that Disney character who flies around in a green suit. (name escapes me)

[@MarySamwael]

Douglas this debate is superb, educational and informative. Love your comments and arguments. Love you❤

[@MarySamwael]

Douglas, when you speak no chance to listen to anybody else, because you are the best. Love your poetic well spoken organized facts you provide 💕 love you 💕💕

[@RobertBaur-pp9kj]

If a word can mean anything to anybody it means nothing. That applies to the word Truth itself

[@Censeo]

Just understand that words have connotations from the sentence it is in. "cry wolf" has nothing to do with mourning, grief or pain inflicted on you etc. And it is important to understand that words gets used in new connotations all the time. "My truth" is a connotation that happened recently. People need to be aware that it has no connection to "the truth" connotation. Our language is expressing our thoughts well because we can use less than a trillion words. But this reusing of words to compress communication have upsides and downsides. On the upside we get material for comedians. On the downside we get people intentionally obfuscate what they say for some sort of alterior motive. This is another thing to understand when parcing out the power of influence, and the way that some might want to change the ideas of population. To change the connotations of words. I'm certainly not above it. I think I probably have been led to think differently by thought ful tinkering of the connotations of words

[@wendellkelsey356]

These IDW grifters (all but Dillihunty) each have a little magical thinking box in the back of their minds. The talk and talk and talk trying to find a new zinger that is poorly thought through and highly controversial. Those are the clips that draw in the clicks and subscriptions. Casual cruelty is the business model. When they find they have talked themselves into a corner, usually having passionately argued foe the object truth of 2 or more contradictory ideas at the same time. To avoid the embarrasment of having to admit they were wrong about something, the pull the rip cord on the magical thinking box. And for the next 10 or 15 minutes the get starry eyed like they smoked too much weed and say stuff like , "Man it's impossible to have this debate unless we can come to a baseline agreement on what truth is. But first we have to understand if objective reality actually exists." And other such useless gibberish. 10 minutes of that and everyone has forgotten hypocrisy. Its the filibuster approach Trump uses as well. Just keep blabbering. the next big shocking statement will bury the previous mistakes. That's why Harris, Peterson, Murray, the Weinstein guys are internet famous. It has nothing at all to do with scholarship. Peterson is rich and famous for demanding the right to behave like an asshole to any future student who may eventually show up at The University of Toronto. Sam Harris and Douglas Murray are rich and famous for their denunciatoin of the entire Muslim faith. Weinsteins have their anti-vax things and COVID denial conspiracy theories and very a strange canine-like loyalty to Elon Musk. They all have that in some measure. They all have done PhD dissertaions and have a certain amount of instituional credibility. But they foment a lot of distrust in those very same intstituions. Bottom Line is that they are simply not serious people. They are new age business. Selling snake oil and Self-help books full of startling new ideas like "be careful" and "decide what you should do and then do it: Matt Dillihunty is the only serious person in that group and they all know it. When they share the stage with him they behave differently. I would wager that each of the others has 10 times the financial net worth of Dillihunty. Because he is not out thee for financial gain. He actually cares about people. Videos of hime never have click bait titles like "Dillihntty owns so and so with brutal take down to his face." They usally say "so and so crumbles to dust when faced with questons from Dillihunty."

[@Dementia.Pugilistica]

Jordan Peterson talks about truth and meaning in the exact same way he criticizes in far leftists who think this way of gender

[@IanM-id8or]

@@Dementia.Pugilistica While at the same time acknowledging that he can't dictate what gender people are. Peterson has a way of playing both sides

[@Dementia.Pugilistica]

@@IanM-id8or I don't mind people outlining both sides of an argument when it's generally attempting to make an objective account of what's happening or what the two arguments are but in what I've seen of him he doesn't seem to give anywhere near the same charitability to things like that as he does for anything associated with the right. I mean he even recently came out saying he'd have voted for Trump if he was in the USA which just seems like a wild change from the guy who didn't even want to claim he was conservative or believed in god a few years ago

[@destinybaron5115]

Thank you Douglas. You are absolutely brilliant and a voice of reason. I always knew Matt was a weirdo

[@davidfrisken1617]

Good to hear you support atheism.

[@alexluthiger731]

Keep an eye on the weirdo. He could be your father. 🍷🦍

[@JoeOct31]

I'm nearly 7 minutes in and Matt admits to wanting a one world government. Absolutely insane...

[@MrCasi0clay]

I really think you should listen to that part again, and actually understand what he is saying.

[@sdust251977]

Many people in the past had the same dream, what make us think we are the only generation trying to build this? Arrogant at best, ignorant at worst. Have you heard of human nature? I was surprised by his comment.

[@wordwarrior2350]

There are no absolutes. Matt has no power in the world. He may have some power with some atheists in TX. Think about this: What of all of the people in The USA, CDN, Middle East, Ec.had the same religion? Ideals are what start ideas that may be possible. This one won´t. Relax, we won´t be here is 75 years. I won´t be here much sooner,lucky me.

[@Conan....]

@@MrCasi0clay well if he thinks that would be best, why would he not want it? I don't understand what you are saying, elaborate please.

[@Justmyopinionsir-q4v]

nothing wrong with a one world gov't if the gov't is good.

[@GaryWarren-gn8zg]

I've been watching all sides for 20 years Matt, give the public a little credit.

[@D-Paws]

Man, after Andrew Wilson destroyed Mat, I can never look at his debates the same way. All I see is him rage quitting.

[@davidfrisken1617]

Have you seen what he allowed for 10+ years on the atheist experience?

[@D-Paws]

@davidfrisken1617 what do you mean? I had only ever watched Matt before. The way I got introduced to andrew wilson was through the debate where Matt rage quit. And I was like. "Wow, this guy wiped him, who is he?"

[@daviddemichele1677]

murray seems brillint. dilahunty is in love with himself and has great doublespek where all roads lead to him.

[@davidfrisken1617]

By any chance to you believe in imaginary friends?

[@daviddemichele1677]

oh my yes, they are everywhere i imagine. BOO!

[@pinkerproductions7420]

​@@davidfrisken1617 like yours?

[@daviddemichele1677]

oh ouch, you really got me. yes, just like mine. not like yours.

[@pinkerproductions7420]

@@daviddemichele1677 Replying to the other guy

[@ManDuderGuy]

"I don't have any cherished culture I'm trying to protect". Matt's juvenille "citizen of the world" outlook is cringe.

[@ToddHurney]

More name calling. What's juvenile about being honest and adult about the billions of fools who would do otherwise? I find your ridiculous belief systems juvenile and cringe. It's holding humanity back. Oh, and please have enough self-respect to proofread your comments.

[@ManDuderGuy]

@@ToddHurney I'm having a hard time understanding what you meant to say. You seem very spun-up though, catty, emotional. Telling me to proofread a youtube comment because maybe I put an extra l in a word because this isn't a doctoral dissertation. "I find your ridiculous belief systems juvenile and cringe." What are you talking about exactly? And how is Matt "honest and adult" by cucking out his own culture and civilization?

[@CB-dl1vg]

Apart from his hyper obsession with rationalism, logic and free and fair debate which came out of the western enlightenment… Go and try that in Saudi, he’ll quickly find out the huge parts of his culture that he cherishes and would wish to protect.

[@CB-dl1vg]

@@ToddHurney Your Cultural relativism holds humanity back. If everybody in the west had your world view including our leadership then we would be invaded and crushed in a week. Some cultures are superior to others, to argue any difference gives barbaric cultural practices a pass and that barbarism will defeat any naive notion of ‘were all the same bro we should have no boarders’. If that’s true then move to Somalia my guy, see how people treat you over there.

[@ManDuderGuy]

@@CB-dl1vg Being a cucked cultural relativist is easy! I can see the appeal for weak people. You don't have to stand for anything meaningful while simultaneously benefiting from your own culture; and your left-wing cult-friends won't call you a rayciss for the usual reasons (none). I sure as hell didn't leave religion just so I could join another dumber one, but Matt did. Sad!

[@munkybrain]

The comment 'you saw a lot of bombs, though' for some simple reason quite touched me, and I feel like the questioner was probably one of the coolest people present in the building

[@jennyomalley7634]

Looks well for his age "saw a lot of bombs though" anyone who saw bombs falling in Britain must be in their 80s.

[@susanjones7734]

@@jennyomalley7634 You didn’t have to be there to know that it happened.

[@jennyomalley7634]

@@susanjones7734 See I wasted my time using inverted comers.

[@Kurtlane]

If one is an atheist, it does not automatically make him a skeptic. And if one is religious, it does not automatically make him not a skeptic. Pico della Mirandola and Johann Reuchlin were religious. And Copernicus, Newton, Euler, Darwin, Ramanujan. I grew up in the Soviet Union, where just about everyone was an atheist. Atheism was the norm, and it took a lot of guts to be religious.

[@Ilovegod540]

It takes guts to be religious, especially Christian. We are shunned and persecuted everywhere we go.

[@juanzulu1318]

Well, those mentioned are certainly not skeptical in regards to religion.

[@dannygolightly865]

@@Ilovegod540 absolute nonsense. i mean what kind of persecution complex can you have to believe such tosh? are you Cathoilic by any chance? it would explain the complex...it is part and parcel of the religion

[@jacksonjDell]

@@Ilovegod540lmao ya right

[@machtnichtsseimann]

@@Ilovegod540 - Yes, No, and Yes. The Christian Journey takes courage. The Church is persecuted in the world, and it is also not. We do not need to embrace a Martyr Complex where it is not proven.

[@robinhood4640]

Matt Dillahunty makes an excellent point about not confusing the consequences of someone's opinion, as the motivation for that opinion.

[@Dementia.Pugilistica]

It's important but also important to know why they think the way they do if you want to change their mind

[@oliverjamito9902]

Students shared "i" Am longing to learn will say, resting upon will be determined in front

[@oliverjamito9902]

Why say students? Lord thy shared mouths! What is so valuable concerning thy shared mouths?

[@oliverjamito9902]

Lord from thy Mouth shared "i" Am come forth! Without FORM and VOID come here in front! LORD, instead going towards nothingness in front of thee! From thy Mouth shared "i" Am come forth! Lord now why there's something rather than nothing in front of thee?

[@oliverjamito9902]

Wise and Scribes will say, HE even came and HE adopted as Sons! Unto all the wise and Scribes will say, Who's child is HE?

[@Crimea_River]

Came here for Douglas, left for Matt. That guy is insufferable.

[@titanomachy2217]

Yeah, truly a quintessential self-righteous, smug woke puritan that thinks he knows better than everyone that ever lived and is superior for having the opinions that are supported by the establishment of this time and place rather than the past or another culture. He doesn't even understand that neoliberal postmodern Progressivism IS a product of a culture, it's distinctly Western and 21st century. When he says he has no culture to defend, that's just deprecation against white people, a staple of the Cult of Woke.

[@thomasprogli3372]

Matt is one of those ex-theists that replaced his religion with another kind of faith. That being said he helped me about 10 years ago to become a skeptic. It is sad to see that he got lost.

[@MsCosmosnut]

Same.

[@MatthewsSloan]

It's bad.

[@davidfrisken1617]

@@thomasprogli3372 What faith does Matt have? Rationality?

[@nathanvandermeer]

I really like both of these guys. Rational people are such a joy to listen to. Both these guys are in my top 10 of commentators.

[@allendesomer]

My personal takeaway from Murray: Again and again and again, the most important thing to discuss is how hyperbolic our discussions are.

[@Snuusnuu69]

I've watched quite a bit of Dellahunty, he is trying to be so careful here. I appreciate the effort, unfortunately I still don't like the guy. He cant help but sound astoundingly arrogant, condescending, obnoxious, and insecure. He is also what I would consider a 'mid wit' at best, pseudo-intellectual, Foe-philanthropist at worst. Great Job as usual Murray!

[@Nate_Higgins]

I used to think like Matt. Now I just see him as narrow-minded and somewhat arrogant. JP does a lot more good for people than Matt does.

[@ronbr1000]

Spot on Nate

[@ptolemyauletesxii8642]

How to tell us you suffered a catastrophic stroke without telling us you suffered a catastrophic stroke.

[@Nate_Higgins]

@ptolemyauletesxii8642 well, if I've had a stroke, it's still preferable than going through life as a condescending, arrogant twat who goes online with nothing to add except weak and shallow insults for people they know nothing about.

[@mac2312]

Jordan Peterson? He has a good message but he is undeniably a coward and utter hypocrite

[@thomasprogli3372]

I learned a lot from both and both have become insufferable. Douglas Murray is my current authority person I look for answers.

[@aaxen7255]

I can't watch Pangburn without thinking of the Sam Harris / Matt Dillahunty talk where they were swallowed by humongous chairs. This is an improvement, but they've still got such ridiculously low chairs the speakers look squashed and the water stand looks like it's on stilts. Seriously Pangburn needs a better set designer.

[@ck58npj72]

This is from that era. Pangburn went out of business.

[@FrictionFive]

Totally agree. What a weird-looking set.

[@DavidShort-lf4jn]

Jordan Petersen is all about living a meaningful life with PURPOSE and MORALITY

[@cyrutvirus]

Ah, the intricate dance of existence-one finds oneself ensnared in a web of chaotic potentialities, compelled to confront the perennial struggle between chaos and order. In this grand narrative of life, we must, with utmost seriousness, engage in the pursuit of meaning-a pursuit that is not merely an abstract notion but a tangible, actionable endeavor. It is within this sacred journey that we awaken the hero archetype residing within each of us, facing the dragons of nihilism that lurk in the dark corners of our psyche. To live a meaningful life, we must ground ourselves in the timeless virtues of responsibility and morality. This is not merely a platitude; it is an existential imperative that calls us to align our actions with a higher moral order. The reality is that without purpose, we are adrift, floating aimlessly in a sea of relativism, where truth becomes subjective and values dissolve into insignificance. We must cultivate a mindset that embraces the complexity of our moral landscape, confronting the shadow that lies within and without. By doing so, we forge a path toward a life suffused with meaning, one where our choices echo through the corridors of time, contributing to the greater good of humanity. In essence, the struggle for purpose is a clarion call to each individual to rise up, take responsibility, and embody the moral framework that not only shapes our existence but also illuminates the way forward in a world often fraught with despair and uncertainty. Let us then embark on this transformative journey, for it is through this sacred act of striving that we transcend mere existence and enter into the realm of the truly meaningful.

[@Ari19904]

Peterson is a pseudo intellectual clown 😂

[@davidfrisken1617]

And rejecting history and not caring about reality.

[@LolYuuki]

Matt Dillahunty wanting a borderless world because he quote: "doesn't have a cherished culture he wants to protect". Well Matt, i am an Chinese Indonesian, and i do have a culture i cherish and wish to protect. Please broaden your narrow world and believe me that most countries with their own beutiful unique culture do wish to protect them. Damn, who put this guy on the same stage as someone as brilliant as Douglas Murray...

[@davidfrisken1617]

Yep. Peer group pressure from dead people is strong.

[@aj7aj]

Matt surround yourself with immigrants then talk borders

[@goldwhitedragon]

Wait till Whites are a US minority by 2035. Then he'll admit race matters.

[@wayfa13]

you're joking right

[@bullpup33]

Legal or illegal?

[@cronizle]

He's from america??? The place is known for that specific thing. What's the worry, too many better food options?

[@elih9700]

@@cronizle Not on the scale of the last 4 years. And the worry is you don't know who they are.

[@lisakurak3733]

They're talking about the vacuum between belief and unbelief in God when someone in the audience sneezed. My first inclination is to say, God bless you.

[@adrianmercuri8956]

Very rich that Dillahunty says he does not want to veer off into fantasy land, when in fact that's where he permanently resides!

[@greendalf123]

You believe in a guy floating on a cloud. Be silent

[@adrianmercuri8956]

@@greendalf123 'floating on a cloud' is He? ....and that's what I believe? Oh good, thanks for letting me know how I think!

[@jcrosby4804]

@@adrianmercuri8956 Where does your imaginary god reside? Gods in 2024. When will it end? 2074? 3024?

[@ungas024]

@@jcrosby4804 Matt believes that a man can be a woman, but here you are "Muh Skydaddy". 🙄🙄

[@robbiestones9447]

These new age atheists are clowns..let them live in their fantasy world while mocking and laughing at others...

[@tomarmstrong1550]

Dillahunty - "Me,me, me."

[@zbeta1322]

In regards to Matt’s comment on 24.00 Jordan Peterson is Not a Christian” apologist “by any theological metric. He’s a man who’s living out the life he’s been dealt with, like the rest of us, with all the struggles and uncertainties that life entails. There is no equality in life, nor is there any equity in death. Mr. Peterson is simply choosing the road less traveled…the road governed by the reasonable assumption of a Creator above himself.

[@davidfrisken1617]

What? Jordan has jumped on the Christian thing for financial gain.

[@ahimsainthekitchen]

Most people (especially young people) don't even know who they are. There is so much information from social media coming at them...they don't know who they are. That is why they no longer can form opinions, or form uneducated and ignorant opinions like: "I like Jordan Peterson, I just like the way he says things", that's ABSURD!!! People don't learn, they just ping pong from one person they hear to the other. They are just reflection what they hear...they don't stay true to themselves.

[@ElmerFud]

The title implies there's a Middle East content.... there's none.

[@davidfrisken1617]

Yep.

[@nicolasbadenhorst9531]

Mr Murray sounds like he gets a kick back from religious institutions..

[@tjblues01]

About Jordan Peterson... I don't understand why Murray tries to excuse JP's eristics and sophisms? JP basically says: "I don't believe in God but it's OK when other believe in it because it's useful..."

[@RadiantHealthForAll]

Probably because religious people have lower rates of depression and suicide. If humanists were honest about the data they would be forced, whether they believed in God or not, to promote the belief in God

[@Luixxxd1]

JP is a Christian...

[@RobertBaur-pp9kj]

He more or less says people ought to even if he doesn't or if they DON'T more than just it's "ok". Sam Harris exposes his double think a lot and rather than answering the double think charge Peterson goes on long ruminating monologues as if to appear he's thinking or getting to the bottom of something e.g the truth when saying nothing of substance at all. Peterson believes because religion MAY be psychologically useful he thinks it's necessary and he has to believe this because if he were to take a more scientifically accurate view hell lose what people think makes he "special'. Read more accurately marketable

[@surfgreen60]

⁠​⁠@@RobertBaur-pp9kjYou just wrote, albeit poorly, a ruminating monologue.

[@RobertBaur-pp9kj]

@@surfgreen60 did you not understand what I wrote in the same way people don't understand Peterson. What I said is pretty straight forward. Peterson engages In double think. Obfuscation and equivocation fallacies. He makes arguments from emotions or perceived consequences not based on facts or evidence. He never explains why labeling something divine makes that thing worth more in any objective way.

[@fazerianducati]

Human greed prevents the possibility of a world government

[@CB-dl1vg]

Human greed for power promotes the possibility for a world government

[@rmv4646]

18:38 I wonder why someone who believes they are intelligent believes it would be good for religion to disappear.

[@convinceme6676]

I would say people generalize about religion as I do myself. My thought is if you believe stories as facts, that will influence your decision making. And that is not a good basis for decisions.

[@randomusername3873]

Because religion is a cancer that caused and keep causing countless atrocities

[@davidfrisken1617]

Why would the stopping of the lying to children not be a good thing?

[@rmv4646]

@davidfrisken1617 if I understand you correctly, then this is a partial agreement. I think religion is not necessarily a good thing. I do believe that a personal relationship with God is a true and honest relationship, but including a priest or someone else with their own flaws is not as positive as a one on one relationship with God. But for "The Educated" to argue against a personal relationship with God is laughable. Our "Higher Education" has become more dishonest and more corrupt, more dangerous, and lies constantly to everyone who will listen. They push the murderous ideologies of Marxism and Communism. If you want to talk about lies, then make sure to include the lies and the murderous ideologies pushed by the "Higher education" system. The religious system does a fraction of the BS that the universities push.

[@jikolp001]

They don't want to talk about the issue of IQ because they don't want low IQ people to be persecuted but Delahunty has no problem, in the next breath, conceptually with a one world government ignoring the fact that most of the population on planet Earth have to low of an IQ to maintain a free society. For this exact reason, IQ should be discussed openly.

[@alexspec1772]

Matt thinks its better to have a worldwide soviet union. He even justifies it by saying he has no culture to fight for. This guy is insane.

[@MatthewsSloan]

It's mind blowing, but a sentiment all to many ignorant Americans and Westerners share.

[@davidfrisken1617]

Where does he say that? His position is world gov is not a thing to cherish.

[@alexluthiger731]

A soul lost to the devil is a soul lost to the good cause of thinking in truth.

[@robwilliams2265]

It's good that Matt didn't rage quit like you did with Andrew Wilson.

[@loffel1700]

I thumbs down this clip because the title misleads what the content is about, and because it's recycled content. They have way more discussion than simply immigration. Pangburn is doing this with a lot of their content to farm more views.

[@davidfrisken1617]

Yep. A pretty dodgy money driven move.

[@christiantgolden]

As intelligent as Matt is, I can only assume he is being intentionally obtuse when he says he struggles to understand what Peterson says or is trying to say. Peterson is about as plain as anyone could possibly be. There's nothing confusing or unclear about what he says about religion/God/belief. Peterson is a walking "ELI5" (explain like I'm five) machine. That certainly does not mean he's right on all or most things, but it is very, very silly for anyone with any level of intelligence to say that he's unintelligible.

[@faithkoopman5655]

The world is in the mess that it’s in because we’ve kicked God out of the schools out of the university out of our governments.

[@ToddHurney]

That's total b.s. and overly simplistic. God is personal and belongs in your dogmatic church not in my publicly funded school system or our government! I'll put my trust in science and empirical evidence and not your fantasy man in the sky!

[@davidfrisken1617]

How is lying to children a good thing?

[@tarah3227]

Who let this man sit next to Douglas? He is not insightful

[@robertcoane9167]

@ Matt - You are so much more rational and likeable inthis forum than in your own phone-in shows.

[@droptableaccount1820]

He is neither of those things.

[@Dementia.Pugilistica]

​@@droptableaccount1820cool story bro

[@dannygolightly865]

@@droptableaccount1820 whether you find him likeable or not, he is most assuredly logical. if you can not see that, perhaps this is level of communication is a litttle too complicated for you?

[@codytownsend3259]

​@@droptableaccount1820finally someone knows that. Matt and Sam Harris both are fucking trash at what they preach. Rationality

[@goodcitizendude9597]

Most people lose interest or beliefs in Gods in every religion but they serve a purpose in the raising of humanistic empathy for values. I don't need anyone teaching religious or atheistic dogma.

[@dannygolightly865]

religionn is not useful for "humanistic empathy"at all. it divides people, causing friction between people. it bolsters dadt ideas of "us and them"

[@Mogorman87]

Yeah Elon musk and Jeff bezos are such islamists.

[@michaelmay5453]

Those two are just regular arseholes. Well, perhaps Ol' Musky is a bit more than regular, kind of a massive arsehole who will stop at nothing to be even more of an arsehole with every day that goes by.

[@Conan....]

Dillahunty can"t help himself, he keeps throwing out bait, even though he knows that if Douglas were to bite, Dillahunty would be taken to school.

[@davidfrisken1617]

I dont get it. Douglas has stated he plays a position for financial gain?

[@Conan....]

@@davidfrisken1617 Dillahunty kept sneaking in quick analogies that seem on topic but in reality are just digs about other topics that he has strong opinions about, knowing that Douglas would probably agree with the point he is making while disagreeing with the analogy used but won't refute the analogy because the analogy itself is off topic, there is a certain type of character that does this, and there is a reason why they do it.

[@offerisraeli8796]

I love Jordan Paterson humanity that shine through

[@westernman3290]

I think the idea that you can take the good from everyone means you’re not listening to anyone. Secular humanism still doesn’t have any bones.

[@emilianosintarias7337]

The main question to ask Douglas Murray is why didn't he eat agent Clarice Starling at the end of the movie.

[@sulljoh1]

A great guy. A fantastic guy

[@ryanorlando1122]

Maybe he did. She wasn't im the sequal.😮

[@IanM-id8or]

He would have thought it was rude

[@darrontuagalu8865]

She wasnt a palestinian child

[@cronizle]

"This is a terrorist attack from 5 years ago that killed 5 white people... do you see?!"

[@merelydave]

Unless and until the complete truth becomes known, in terms of the deen and its peculiar form of jurisprudence, we are all in danger of losing everything of value and with it, the loss of lives.

[@mookosh]

23:00 as a Peterson fan I can answer. He scratches the same itch as lord of the rings. Gave sad young men a heroic ideal to aspire towards. When Peterson first popped up all I had was Molyneux for my "conservative intellectual for sad teenage boys" or pick up artists. I didn't hate women so it was nice when Peterson came on scene and specifically preached an ideology that was about becoming the man who a reasonable woman would love.

[@markmooroolbark252]

Sadly, most modern women are unreasonable. They are obsessed with materialism and are borderline narcissists who live for Facebook likes.

[@lyndonjacobs5264]

​@@markmooroolbark252So are men

[@andreacarver8507]

An excellent podcast, such an interesting guest, really enjoyed what he had to say

[@davek.3483]

Dear God, please protect me from those who belueve in your existence. Amen.

[@davek.3483]

Believe

[@PhreakPhantom]

Tell me if we remove God, does violence end?

[@davek.3483]

Yes. God belief is bigoted, homophobic, tribal, and divisive. God believers are suicide bombers and fly airplanes into buildings. God believers are once again killing each other in the Middle East over the belief that their God gave them the Middle East. Should I continue? I'm just fine without God. Keep your God belief to yourself and let me live in peace. That's my take. Not an attack on you. I respect your question.

[@4ingecxaH]

​@@PhreakPhantomWithout god, good people will do good things and evil people will do evil things. But for good people to do evil and wicked things, you need a god and a religion.

[@robertjsmith]

@@PhreakPhantomno,that’s why we don’t need religion anymore

[@AnthonyBrown12324]

Of course they arrested Chaudray and he is now locked up .

[@BVargas78]

I'm one of those people that likes both Douglas and Matt Dillahunty. Admittedly i side more with Douglas Murray's points of view.

[@dannygolightly865]

why? how can you possibly make that decision?

[@BVargas78]

@@dannygolightly865 It's because i see Islam, particularly politicized islam as dangerous towards western liberal values and democracy. Much more so than any other religion.

[@machtnichtsseimann]

@@dannygolightly865 - How can you possibly not make that decision?

[@dhimankalita1690]

​@@BVargas78 I consider both white Christian supremacist and islamist two side of the same coin.So I don't have to choose any side

[@RussianBot-xu7wl]

​@@dhimankalita1690 The "white Christian supremacists" and political islamists are not the same thing. One is a tiny, TINY minority in predominantly secular countries that have very little to no social or political power and people are free to ignore with no repercussions. The other is a predominant system in many nations that demands subservients and readily exports its adherents all around the world with the express purpose of slowly undermining and ultimately dominating other nations and eventually the world. You can publicly criticize Christianity all day every day and never give a thought to your or your family's safety. We've seen hundreds of times that the same cannot be said about Islam. Your relativism is both ignorant and dangerous. Grow up.

[@metatama1934]

Douglas "should we do another question?" he was having enough of Matt dashing on Peterson.

[@daltonmoore233]

Last question was rough😂😂😂

[@tjblues01]

It seems to me that she wanted to engage in a different conversation than she actually started with...

[@redmed10]

This is the restrained version of Murray which we rarely see.

[@MrNeaguy]

He normal routine in a debate is to interrupt the other side because hearing the truth must hurt.

[@machtnichtsseimann]

@@MrNeaguy - No, he is interrupted regularly and he hears such BS being spouted that there are times to interrupt. Not as if Leftists ( and their enablers ) play fair, anyway.

[@CB-dl1vg]

@@MrNeaguycan you point towards a specific debate where his opponent was speaking so much truth?

[@glloyd561]

Dillahunty has such a shallow take on the world. The answer is secular humanism? Why hasn't that taken off in the world? You can be skeptical of everything. Every single seemingly objective fact. Where does that leave you? This is why at events like this, he recieves a lot less questions.

[@rdrift1879]

Matt has no problem with one world government? I had no idea he could be so foolish.

[@robbiestones9447]

Just shows having intelligence like he has doesn't mean your right or a good person...I honestly believe matt is one of the worse atheist speakers around...

[@coyotej4895]

As a Libertine I believe in God but have No faith in Humens to understand or represent God without their own biases, Haterds, ignorance or fears infecting the religions they administer. Time and again they all knew they had the ONE TRUE RELIGION and killed those who did not agree, Time and Agin it died and was replaced by the NEW ONE TRUE RELIGION. That being said the alternative is a Dogma that worships men who in their narcissistic view think they have the right to control and kill any one they want. So, I'd rather see more butts in the pews then protesting or rioting. 20ish people out of 2.8 BILLION and they hate us. They have the moral and ethical integrity of Titanic NOW. So, if religion is necessary for a while longer till we can finely see that it should be the Love and Respect of FAMILY over all to install and strengthen morals and ethics, then so be because those global oligarchs will laugh as they launch nukes for fun and watch billions fry for their own amusement.

[@fazerianducati]

A deep longing does not need to be filled with fantasy Douglas.

[@MrJpmoneypants]

Or it does. Have you seen what people are putting in its place?

[@Bminutes]

I feel like I’m the only person in this comment section that is a fan of both Murray and Dillahunty. I’m a fan of both of them and I disagree with both of them on certain things.

[@blackwolfe638]

Hmmph. I didn't find Murray particularly interesting or engaging, I disagreed with a good deal of what he put forth.

[@seangreen8023]

Ismt that the point, if we all agreed it would be terrible and if we all disagreed then the Middle East

[@somewhatinformed1208]

It's easy to disagree with someone who talks about things you're not interested in. That's why you were unable to tell why you disagreed. I'm pretty sure you just didn't want to bore us with your thoughts. But if you know the subject go ahead and share.

[@MarcusN-kp1jn]

Such as?

[@StoccTube]

The girl at the end didn’t ask a question, she entered a debate!

[@ZeeAmy]

❤❤❤❤❤ two of my favorite atheists!

[@dezurniprovokator373]

When you say “ fascism “ and “ communism “, maybe you should mention “ democracy “ Douglas! I mean western type of democracy

[@fazerianducati]

Get back to reasonable scepticism in America? When was that? It’s like maga.

[@yumeriagirl1231]

MATT IS A LEGEND

[@davidgreen6490]

How crazy life is..... Dillahunty has now become the very ridiculed speaker that he accuses others of in this earlier video. He has slipped into far leftism in his old age..

[@rexsceleratorum1632]

I don't know about all that, but if that's the case then in this video I'm seeing some foreshadowing. He claims that he doesn't 'cherish any particular culture', which is rather delusional, especially as an atheist. There are a number of cultures where you really don't want to be publicly atheist. Definitely getting "Queers for Palestine" vibes.

[@TheMole402]

​@rexsceleratorum1632 he just comes across as a narcissist to me all world views are facts to him because he hasn't seen on experienced it

[@rexsceleratorum1632]

@@TheMole402 As for me, I cherish Western culture deeply, despite it not really being my culture. Western culture ended slavery worldwide including in my country, and invented modern liberalism, secularism, and democracy.

[@lisakurak3733]

If you have a one world government, could you trust your leader(s) to not abuse their power? And even if you managed to get a leader who is benevolent, once he or she dies, who would their replacement be? "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." - Lord Acton

[@BrianTylerComposer]

Douglas Murray? No.

[@Paul-e4e4v]

Muslims no

[@sevans606]

Have you read his books?

[@darrontuagalu8865]

Douggie dtill dodging Finklestein, coward

[@markmooroolbark252]

Douglas Murray? A huge yes!

[@Normal6755]

Ranked voting hasn't worked well. In fact, it has led to unpopular candidates being elected.

[@madpuppet666]

you can't fight disinformation in a world where people believe in god. If you're willing to believe in some of these orgnaised religions, its no more fancible to believe in any conspiracy theory out there.

[@Zripas]

@Westcoastrocksduh You people keep mixing things here. There is a difference between doing something because you believe in a thing and doing something while you believe in a thing. You want to go with your silly thing? Cool, 99.9% of all murders ever done have been made by theist, what now? Do you lose by default here? With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.

[@RadiantHealthForAll]

​@Westcoastrocksduh between theists, agnostics, and atheists, atheists take the cake for the least coherent worldview

[@user-rn2ks9ch9h]

99,99 % ? Haha

[@LightningDoesStrikeThrice]

It's just a remnant of the bygone age of superstition

[@robertswitzer990]

Atheists, you morons. To be in the ideological category that you are in requires an act of constant belief because to deny the existence of God without any proof, which you DONT have, requires you to have faith in your ideals because you have no evidence You are no less religious than us, you just have a different god that you worship but you still are in the same overarching category

[@t-bonewhufc6429]

Borders are in place because it’s the line where bad ideas end and good ideas start and thats without cultural dilution! Let Matt live in east London and when he walks through certain neighbourhoods with a beer in his and being told “your not allowed to drink in this area because it’s anti Islamic” then talk about Freedom!

[@SpielinWhelan]

Mortal is a callous condolencias apología for Netanyahu ;that alone makes him obnoxious in my book.

[@karandeosingh2356]

Netanyahu is defending his own people. The Majority of Palestinians need to grow up and build a thrieving city side by side with Isreal or stay in that 7th century mindset. Hamas and Islam is the true enemy of the Palestinians.

[@toddleith4106]

Who starving children to death? Who is burning humans to death?

[@Pangburn]

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[@justice100forwin2]

is this clip recent?

[@oliverjamito9902]

Murray for many hungers in front of HIM! As far to say, send them away to find their own food to eat! Do not send them away!

[@Chi_Loutman]

Just rewatched Andrew Wilson eat dillahuntys lunch. An instant classic 😂.

[@13shadowwolf]

Your fantasies are not Reality. You sound like the people that think that people shouldn't date outside their "race" History is going to look back on you, the same way we look at people that thought hom0sexual!ty was a mental illness.

[@fl00d69]

Plot twist: the lunch was a steaming turd on a plate. Congrats bootlicker. 🙄

[@NeoRelic-o8p]

Not Ranked Voting. Rated. Or approval voting is likely best

[@luke-s-c7830]

"if a word can mean anything to anybody then it means nothing" interesting, so whats a woman then Matt? He ran away from Andrew Wilson on that topic.

[@MiniEquine]

Words often have generally accepted normative definitions with fuzzy edges. For specific individuals, words will tend to have those fuzzy edges solidified one way or another. The important thing is that, for any given pair of interlocutors, they agree to share the same definition of the primary words of their discussion.

[@Jack-hy1zq]

​@@MiniEquine Some mental gymnastics there. And very fuzzy.

[@droptableaccount1820]

Dillacunty is a joke.

[@alexandertaylor7316]

That isn't the gotcha you think it is. Biologically the definition is adult human female. Socially the definition is anyone who identifies (one could also add "presents") as a woman. It's the same thing as parenthood and adoptive parents. There's a strict biological definition and a much looser social definition.

[@droptableaccount1820]

@@alexandertaylor7316 according to you, because you are a homosexual.

[@MarySamwael]

Douglas you know what! You are so much fun and attractive in all ways. Whatever you say or whatever you do is lovely. Can't possibly love you more than already I do! You are great and wonderful man and I adore you ❤ my heart long for you 💕 💕 love you and miss you so much. Dying to be with you ❤

[@wendellkelsey356]

The Romanian audience member asked Douglas Murray a specific question about the role of the Eastern Othodox church's influence over Eastern European perspectives on mass immigration. And whether he thought Western Europe could learn a thing or two from them, while not immitating Milosovich from the 1990s. (Of course). Murray's ensuing jibberish made me laugh. He decided to ignore the questio and talk about his favorite subject: How "The West" (mainly the UK and USA) is freaking awesome ad way better than every other kind of people. He said Eastern Europe's violent history and culture makes the people different from someone born in New Jersey. Casually mentioning that Eastern Europe managed to be invaded and occupied by both fascists and communists in the mid 20th centure. Then he couldn't resist adding that the United States and England managed somehow not to be invaded by either. He's just barely containing his disease. The conservative curse. Believing in the superiority of your tribe, family, community, ancestry. He immediately distanced himself and his ancestors and culture from Eastern Europeans who were not counted amongst the white race only a few decades ago. Then he said events isn Europe might possibly become complicated, challenging and dangerous some time in the future. Obviously he's about pushed it as far as possible without sounding like a monster so he fell back on vague nonsene. Like huckster fortune tellers and mediums who claim to speak to the dead. But people love agressive language and vile rhetoric. It earns Murray a good living I'm sure. He wasn't done. He reached the point where a little diplomacy might get him a few half-reluctant clicks and views. So he paid the Eastern Euorpeans a compliment. But he's such a toxic creature he had to wrap the compliment inside what amounted to a stearn warning to the irresponsible non-WASP folks East of the Danube. He said Eastern Europeans have learned a great wisdom. A truth of profound importance. But so esoteric that only Douglas Murray's massive English brain could recognize it, define it, name it and give it a life of its own. Hopefully soon it will be a meme that reaches to the farthest corners of the social media addict's universe. He calls his discovered phenomena: "Being careful with your present and careful with your future." He said it very clearly, audibly, and slowly. That way maybe some people will think he must be saying something very important. I can't continue without developing some digestive problems.

[@Paul-e4e4v]

He speaks the truth, the west is better than any country of the east. The mad men of the east just complain because we are better than them and there jealous.

[@rexsceleratorum1632]

Long rant but I don't see a point. You'll eventually figure out that the rest of the world outside of the West is culturally and systemically far-right by the standards you apply to white people.

[@ptolemyauletesxii8642]

Murray's entire existence is predicated on convincing people to not do anything to change the existing order. Conveniently and coincidentally the existing order works pretty well for him.

[@juanzulu1318]

U seem very angry about Matt. Whats ur point?

[@Paul-e4e4v]

@@wendellkelsey356 anyone who doesn't understand mr murry is a dumb a$$

[@OurBeautifulEngland]

A lot of hate in here for Matt’s view on borderless world. I understand, coming from someone who sees that we can all be very similar people without different religions ruling different parts of the world. Sometimes the world seems like a big place. But sometimes it feels pretty small. I think, even if the whole world was on a similar wavelength, there’s too much space, water etc. between areas for it not to become segmented.

[@wendellkelsey356]

Matt Dillihunty said a lot with one sentence: "I don't have some cherished culture I'm trying to protect." That one thought/statement refutes conservatism entirely.

[@wiederganger1959]

@@wendellkelsey356 Only if you think that that's a good thing. Me, I saw for myself in Europe what happens when people don't cherish their culture: they get replaced by those who do.

[@wendellkelsey356]

​@@wiederganger1959Could you explain that some more?

[@dj4vasconcelos]

That would be great in some dream world. I would assume his position on the minoritys cultures is the same and that they just have to adaptat imediatly to whatever countrys takes them in?

[@danatowne5498]

At best that is naïve, and it may just be BS.

[@wendellkelsey356]

@@dj4vasconcelos If you consider your own culture for a moment, it should become clear that it changes all the time. Young people change it without even trying by emulating things and people they see in the world. If your comment implies that culture is like stone, and in that case it makes sense. Two large stones can't occupy the same small space. I would instead describe it as water. Rivers flow together and become one thing. In the United States for example, us white folks early on came largely from the british Isles. Indigenous people lived hear already. And we brought in Africans as slaves. Think of how much each of those 3 cultures contributed to what American culture has become. 21 states have Indian names. We still use words from their language in everyday speech. Most of all was their agriculture. All the best crops came from the western hemisphere. They introduced us to tomatos, avacados, jerky, chocolate, peanuts, vanilla and chocolate, pumpkin, squash, all the types of beans, and both normal and sweet potatoes. Plus thousands of words we still use. Black people brought their music and art from Africa and combined with traditional ballad style music from europe came country music The word banjo and the instrument itself come from Africa. The combination of the European and African music kept mixing and evolving over time. Jazz rose from classical with a good rhythm. and after Africans invented Blues It got mixed back into country and folk to become Rock and Roll. Billion Dollar industries. So I can't follow the idea that immigrants have to forget everythng about themselves and become carbon copies of the people in the lands they travel to. As much as a lot of people might want their culture to continue indefinitely in its current or past form, It is impossible. The young people of all generations radically change their culture without even realizing they are doing it. Fo the past couple decades the young peope in America have befriended shcool mates and neighbors that came from every corner of the globe. The coolest thing I've noticed is the big change in American Literature and Filmmaking. The New York Times Best Seller List is packed with amazing stories inspired by the cultures of Asia, africa, polynesia, Latin america. Reading them you get the understand more about the ancient legends of those other places and how the old tales have influence the grandchildren who are now writers. Of course thats nothing new. Famous movies including the Magnificent 7 and (believe it or not) Star Wars are simple adaptations of Japanese epics. They just changed the setting. instead of Feudal Samauri it was the American West in one case and a Galaxy far far away in the other.

[@jnsk73]

Dillahunty is the best.

[@smugdug]

He sleeps with a dude and calls himself straight.

[@rampantunease6517]

I can't stand Murray

[@MrNeaguy]

He is a genocide apologist.

[@ronbr1000]

Too many home truths for you rampantunease

[@Conan_Burns]

I can't stand Matt

[@Reclusiarch_jakal]

lol you and 3 others dooooshhh

[@ck58npj72]

@@Reclusiarch_jakal can you read, smarty pants?

[@jamescoburn6789]

Well this is a pairing I never thought I would ever see. I used to watch Matt years ago, but had to stop as I wasted too many hours fighting athiests. They denied the great truth, in spite of the visible truth. The flying spaghetti monster is the truth and the word. The sauce is the blood of our lord. Rahmen.

[@helenespaulding7562]

It’s a shame that, after all those very good questions, the last exchange is what it is was. I think I would have allowed one more person to ask a question, just so it didn’t on that ridiculous note. .

[@brandonmacey964]

Andrew Wilson is somewhere laughing

[@robertcoane9167]

On PATRIOTISM - "National pride has evil consequences. Prefer pride in humanity. German pride gave us Hitler, American pride gave us Trump, British pride gave us Bresit. If you must have pride, be proud that Homo sapiens could produce a Darwin, Shakespeare, Mandela, Einstein, Beethoven." - RICHARD DAWKINS

[@Luixxxd1]

"Christianity is good" Also Dawkins

[@fl00d69]

@@Luixxxd1 It's good for my ageing mother. Objectively. Your opinion is invalid.

[@Luixxxd1]

@@fl00d69 I mean, you can scream assertions all you want, they are just as irrelevant as Dawkins ever since his massive flip flop on religion

[@robertcoane9167]

@@Luixxxd1 "Fundamentally decent", not 'good', not the same thing

[@robertcoane9167]

@@fl00d69 Ask me if I care what your opinion is, Troll.

[@paulbarks1473]

When everything you have was gifted to you, you've fought for nothing and have everything you could want, nothing has value to you and you will happily give it all away. Before realising what a terrible mistake you have made.

[@acason4]

Douglas Murray projecting absurd boogeyman scenarios that don’t really exist.

[@juanzulu1318]

What scenario? That mass migration will destroy Europe as we know it? Thats no boogeyman, thats a fact.

[@dalepearson9658]

God told us long ago. Too much power in too few people is bad.

[@Lokis-mom]

Along with religion, ideology needs to go also.

[@Hyperpandas]

Impossible. Ideology is a necessary and unavoidable foundation for thought, whether it's defined under some "ism" or left undefined.

[@sockpastarock7082]

Without any ideology, you can't take any position on anything. Without any ideology, you can't form any basis of values or thought for why the actions of Hitler were wrong or bad. Without any ideology, you have no basis to say murder is wrong or terrorism is wrong. An ideology, at its core, is just a set of values. Even the premise of advocating to be rid of all ideology is itself an ideology. To be rid of all ideology is both impossible and stupid.

[@Samuel-gg6uf]

How about your ideology that ideologies need to go

[@Lokis-mom]

@@Samuel-gg6uf I’m a pragmatist and a skeptic. Ideologies are inflexible. My first question on any policy is, will it work? I’m also egalitarian, so any policy needs to be fair to as many as possible.

[@Lokis-mom]

@@Hyperpandas How do you know ideologies are needed as a foundation for thought? Have you ever interrogated this notion and how much people actually operate under an ideology? I recommend Zizek’s film A Pervert’s Guide to Ideology. As John Nada says, “put on the glasses.”

[@TheCasperSpooky]

The conversation started off good, but the last 10 minutes made both men sounding like two boys running away from objective morality and where morality comes from in a universe of chaos. They want to talk about a solution, but they do not seem to grow up and not be running away from faith. You cannot have a society you enjoyed keep going if the foundation is not there. Society is not self replicating if large parts of what made it are just completely absent. We would not be having a muslim problem if we knew who we are and did not chase fetters or advocated for the death of the innocent.