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[@trudylemar7219]

“She isn’t just an introvert, she’s also the antichrist.” This line made me laugh

[@StevenJones851]

Raven is pretty unique

[@ZikedY]

@@StevenJones851i guess you can say the not like other girls line would be very literal

[@StevenJones851]

@@ZikedY yay not like other girls

[@concept5631]

Imagine being downbad for the Anti-Christ 💀

[@StevenJones851]

@@concept5631 that's mostly Trigon Raven is only half Demon and nothing like her Father

[@zachataxxii7126]

That "turn yourself into a horse" meme has done irreparable damage to how I see these two together

[@thehonoredone2361]

Takes horsing around to the next lvl ey

[@reagan1197]

@@thehonoredone2361 eyyyyyyyy 😂😂😂

[@WSendam]

Back in the 90s I was in a very famous tv show Bojack

[@valentinkambushev4968]

It works a lot better when it's Ben and Kai.

[@qman2061]

Ditto

[@meganshaw1949]

Actually I believe that the reason as to why Robin was chosen to help carry those scenes was actually to show why he’s a good leader and a good friend. I don’t look at Robin and Raven as a couple as much as I do as friends and teammates, at least not in this incarnation. I also believe that Robin was also chosen because he knew how Slade’s mind worked the best and because he knew most of Slade’s moves. And could bounce off of Slade well. Lastly I would like to point-out that most of Beast Boy’s interactions with Slade didn’t happen until later on so he wouldn’t know how Slade operated until much later on.

[@raphaelsolo]

Indeed they have a more sibling feel than a couple.

[@themonstergamer5441]

And then there is also the pairing between Robin and Starfire.

[@ovskii96]

In defence of Beast Boy, he is the youngest out of the Titans (about 14), so it's pretty understandable that he's immature and self-centered at times. He's also the only one out of the five who didn't have a formal education, and he lost his parents at the age of *5.* As a side note, his actions are pretty realistic for children who have suffered multiple traumas. He's a people pleaser, constantly craves attention, is sensitive to criticism, gets attached to people very easily, and has clear social anxiety at times. He's honestly pretty fascinating looking back.

[@Zero-xu7uy]

Naw his parents self taught him or the DP can’t remember

[@fandomonium3789]

I could have sworn BBxRae existed in the comics before the show, but if the pairing emerged from the fandom.... that's wild. Like, that's awesome to think that we made something canon through sheer shipping enthusiasm. That or the writers who made the comics saw the show and were fellow shippers too. Also, I saw that title and literally turned off the video I was watching to COME SPRINTING at top speed.

[@brazyfever787]

It did exist in the comic actually. They had a ongoing on & off relationship.

[@quab8495]

I personally like the pairing of robin/nightwing with raven I think it made the most sense in the show

[@MISSWHAT-lp5om]

@@quab8495 it doesn't make any sense bc they didn't show anything romamtic between them, they showed us that they are close friends that understand eachother very well, in the 2003 show comic robin(dick grayson) said that raven was the sister he never had, but if you see them as a ship i will not say anything bc it's your opinion

[@XXanimexobsessedXX]

80s run of the new teen titans comics, the friendship or the fandoms assumed romantics in the show are subtle references to their on and off rocky relationship in those comics

[@draganpopovic797]

It did exist before the show

[@Valorian6167]

I think one of Beat Boys' biggest flaws is that he is so broken but just soldiers on, and this results in him being not the most aware of others' trauma. Like of all of the titans (including the ones not represented in the show) he has the most twisted story. He has a rare genetic disease, and with his parents being scientists they try to cure it. One of the scientists that was a family friend, kidnaps him to do dangerous experiments on him resulting in his powers. Then his parents are murdered by a villain and Gar had to watch helpless because he couldn't control his powers yet leaving him with survivors guilt. This all happened before the boy was 7. How he manages to function is amazing (later on in the DCACU all of the titans die with Gar being the only survivor and having survivors guilt again but at this point he is very broken.)

[@philly_sports1558]

BB was one of the best “comic relief” cartoon characters ever. I love how even though he was the funny guy, the writers weren’t afraid to make him get serious and deal with some serious stuff.

[@grantwinter-helms5410]

He had it even rougher in the comics. Not only did he get a rare disease that turned him into Beast Boy/Changeling, but after losing his parents and finding a new family in the Doom Patrol, he loses them too, including his foster mother Rita Farr (Elasti-Girl), and his foster father Steve Dayton (Mento) becomes cold and distant before almost becoming a villain. And then everything with Terra happens.

[@rachelmariecaberapacheco7942]

And then Terra comes to throw more unneceary drama in his life... Really, after al the traumas, death, and betrayals he has suffered, the guy still smiles, tells jokes and wants to be a hero! He is a very strong person, but yeah he needs therapy... and a hug...so happy in the original Teen Titans show he has friends that support and care for him...the duo he did with Cyborg in that show was such a great friendship!

[@A_Hylian_Not_An_Elf]

I’m pretty sure Gar lost his parents in a boat accident. He survived because he turned into a small bird, but he couldn’t save them from falling down the waterfall. He also got sent to his abusive uncle’s house until the Doom Patrol saved him.

[@travisdaway2209]

When was this? I'd like to read it

[@jonathanrios5424]

All the reasons you applied to why beast boy and Raven should not be together apply to Robin and Raven as well the stuff they went through isn't necessarily romantic, but shows that they're close. The only reason it was given to Robin to rescue raven and do all that was literally because he's considered the leader amongst the group

[@keenanjackson2668]

Ur right, if u look at objectively robin probably knows more about the titians as a whole than any of the others do, him going rescue raven, or rescue any of them would honestly make since, hell he is probably the reason they are together in the first place

[@marakalos3838]

@@keenanjackson2668Robin is truly the unifying point for the team. They do have their chemistry as a unit but Robin helped them form and kept them together, no matter the conflict. Even when he’d gone rogue the team stayed together in the hopes of getting their leader back.

[@StevenJones851]

Robin is a good friend and leader

[@MisfitMods]

Anyone who ships robin and raven before beast boy and raven have a white boy rapunsel fantasy that they don’t talk about

[@ccarmilluwallpa]

But to be objective that would leave BB and Robin tied as "possible couples" (speaking of the original series) if it wasn't by the fact that BB has a personality and way of being that openly annoys Raven, even though deep down she appreciates him as a friend. Robin, on the other hand, is serious a litle mysterious and do likes to isolate himself to do things alone frrom time to time, like Raven, who claims that he knows her best than the others. We have the episode where Robin hallucinated with Slade, where they literally started to have a connection which is what eventually allowed Raven to become closer as a friend to her. I'm not saying that Robin and Raven should be a couple, much to my sadness, but compared to BB, they are much more compatible and if Raven were to have a couple, Robin fits that role better.

[@lukeedison1632]

This video essay is odd - it says we imagined BBRay but then explains why it clearly is there, is well formed, is well received, and makes sense as a standout coupling. The BBRay relationship wasn’t imagined or illegitimate - it is literally recognized by the creators of goth OG Titans and Titans Go. That said, it grew out of a natural, well-written, loving friendship… which is exactly what many good couples grow out of. Robin and Raven, on the other hand, had a clear big brother and little sister dynamic. They were extremely close and while BB was the love interest Raven was learning to let in, Robin was the protective brother who had always been there and always would be. There’s no conflict in that and both relationships are really cool, but to set them at odds is so weird - especially when Robin and Starfire are also so prominent and established as a romance.

[@DarkAuraLord]

Well Said.

[@Xephorian]

Yup 100% nailed it

[@nottodayninja2140]

perfectly said

[@whyareyouhere3698]

I'm sorry but the fact that you brought in the abomination that is teen titans go into this discussion makes your whole argument null.

[@unlimon6382]

It's not, though. The video literally VERY CLEARLY explains that the ship was most likely not intended, but that these FRIEND bonding moments were taken as ship moments and thus the ship was created. Yeah. It was invented. You can invent and imagine something based on other things. In fact, it's impossible to make up anything without any reference. The video makes a very clear point. It's by no means hard to get. It doesn't call it illegitimate in any point just because it was not canon before. It addresses that it is canon now and the reasons for it. And it being "imagined" as I said before is true and definitively not a bad thing, nor is it treated like that in the video. The way I see it, you are just overly defensive for no reason. This was never attacking the ship. It is an explanation of the origin of the ship or the situation, and nothing more. Why do you even get defensive about that? You literally heard it all with your ass. This guy was not even shipping Robin and raven. He just said they had more overtly romantic moments, so that was most likely the ship theyaimed for.

[@philly_sports1558]

Raven really is one of the best cartoon characters of all time. She really is the best character to come from the “goth girl” trope. Because she was much more than just a goth. She truly loved her teammates and viewed them as her family and her introverted nature made her so relatable. She also wasn’t just goth for the sake of being goth. She really had no choice based on her demonic background and her need to suppress her emotions to prevent her from hurting other people. Her Season 4 arc is still incredible to this day.

[@natratcritter]

imo she's the queen of the goth/alt awakening for people growing up with this show.

[@toadlord8594]

Agreed! Raven definitely one of the inspirational characters in my life.

[@PaveltheBugFan]

I liked when slade pit the birthmarks and stuff good episode

[@semekiizuio]

​@@PaveltheBugFan same! It felt a little bit more mature and not a goofy kid cartoon. TT had that feel but Ravens arc just took it up a notch

[@MrJakeros]

And watching Raven go absolutely ham on Slade was fucking perfection.

[@thecrumpington5468]

One understated moment that I really loved in season 4 was in the finale, when BB gives Raven a penny for good luck. Despite her saying that all the luck in the world won't help her, it's revealed that she actually held onto it until the end.

[@gkn2767]

I guess we could she them together, if the season 6 ever come out

[@justinportillo3996]

@@gkn2767it won’t lol it’s been almost 20 years and no new season came out. It’s been cancelled which is a bummer

[@Drekromancer]

@@justinportillo3996 I mean... Samurai Jack came back. These days, it's not impossible.

[@justinportillo3996]

@@Drekromancer yeah but the chances are really low but I’m still somewhat hoping that it comes back

[@justinportillo3996]

@@Drekromancer if they ever do they’re gonna have to make it tie up with the movie and what happened years later.

[@kampy19]

For me, I think ultimately it was David Slack indicating they were written, purposefully, as an "old married couple" as the show went on. They were written with the intention of having a relationship off "deep loyalty and affection, but also laced with conflicting personality clashes." So, I do think the pairing is not only intentional within the show, but that reframes almost all of their interactions post-Terra.

[@FrankDTank16]

Beast Boy and Raven is how relationships work. They fight, and hopefully make-up, leading to them understanding each other more when their heads cool off. Robin and Raven are like siblings, similar backgrounds, similar ways they went about growing up (both would rather be solo, than let others help).

[@brazyfever787]

Fun fact: in the official dc comic around the same time teen titans show aired. They actually had a on & off relationship ship due to Raven fearing of her emotions. However, they finally committed into relationship... and then flashpoint happened.

[@La_Toupeira]

Yeah, flashpoint ruined a lot of good storylines happening at that time, like the Power girl clone which we never saw again

[@tesreso5448]

Yea im still mad

[@BTSfangirl0123]

I think she was dating Damian Wayne in the dcamu before they killed everyone off

[@TupocalypseShakur]

That's right, Dr Manhattan didn't like this ship and decided it needed to go

[@valletas]

@@TupocalypseShakur "it was you barry" and no i wont take DCs attempt to retcon that it was all barrys fault

[@YikYakTikTak]

I’m glad I’m not the only one who saw the odd vibes from Robin and Raven. Like, the endgame couple and bonds were obvious, but they really put a lot of intense emotional weight behind the two of them that was odd in hindsight. I think they were trying to give an angle for each individual bond in the group, but you never got that vibe with the others - like Starfire and Cyborg

[@valentinkambushev4968]

You definitely aren't the only one. After all, there's a reason why Raven is romantically involved with Robin (though not the same Robin) in another reincarnation of the characters.

[@philly_sports1558]

Yeah I noticed how close they became in the later stages of the show especially during the Trigon storyline. I think it was more of a sibling type of close but their close bond was definitely noticeable.

[@philly_sports1558]

Also Starfire and Cyborg did share some important scenes. Like the “troq” scene. I get what you mean though.

[@10tailedbijuu]

@@valentinkambushev4968 Damian and Raven, no thank you!!

[@chidorisnake22]

​@@valentinkambushev4968 It's funny you mention that, because Nightwing and Raven were actually a brief pairing in the New Teen Titans run back in the 80s. This was mostly due to Raven tricking him into thinking he was in love with her, but it definitely was still a thing.

[@dorianeley9653]

Goth girl and golden retriever boy is a traditional pairing in real life. It makes the most sense as the playful character nulls some of the gothy hard edges.

[@achimdemus-holzhaeuser1233]

Yeap. And since all of us Nerd-Boys from that time are hardcoded to fall for Goth Girls its just wish fullfillment. .. As is nearly unlimited Body-Modification.

[@tkiesailastname4656]

I think the one thing that really made me like the idea of them as a ship was the episode where it showed how they all met and became a team. Raven laughed at Beast Boy's joke and told him she thought he was funny and I genuinely think that is what really set off BB with all his jokes. But that's just what I think x3 the idea is cute to me.

[@tytheaniman497]

Beast Boy and Raven being exact opposites plays a key role in it. Garfield’s bright, fun, and goofy side balances out Rachel’s more dreary, dark, and serious persona. She’s also able to humble Beast Boy if he gets too cocky or immature. They’re also able to relate with one another in terms of pain. The two teens have always hidden it behind their usual behavior and no doubt feel most comfortable to take the masks off when it’s just them. It’s why they are legit canon in the comics and fans like me wish they were in the show.

[@ssjup81]

Yup, all of this. lol. IMO, Nevermore and the Beast Within and the ep with Melchior seems to be good eps for these two and in Nevermore, you see that she does care what he thinks of her.

[@renandmrtns]

Yo wtf, BBs name is GARFIELD? holy moly

[@tytheaniman497]

@@renandmrtnsIt’s mentioned in the comics and tv show. His full name is Garfield Logan.

[@renandmrtns]

@@tytheaniman497 yeah I looked it up. Funny shit

[@WackyJack322]

BBRae is the ultimate "Opposites Attract" pairing for me. They're very different in temperament, but when you dig down to their background (daddy issues) and what matters most to them (connection with friends) they are very similar and fill a lot of holes that the other needs.

[@10tailedbijuu]

i wouldn't consider Raven to have daddy issues, given her dad is a extra dimensional demon

[@natratcritter]

Robin also kinda has daddy issues with batman since he tries to be like him and he probably left him to work independently in Jump City. Robin does kinda bring the group together since he's the leader but he also has a special role in each one of their lives.

[@notatallfunctional]

@@10tailedbijuu Well he’s her dad, and he’s an issue for her. Still fits into the category, details aside.

[@valletas]

@@10tailedbijuu and the fact that her "daddy" id trying to take control of her body to use it to destroy the world

[@dejanbeep6293]

"fill a lot of holes" *Sigh* all right ima read the comments

[@atomicdynamite1631]

BB and Raven are each others' foil. Their dynamic is the literal definition of complimentary.

[@matheusviana873]

I think the authors not thinking of BB and Raven as couple ended up helping the ship become better. Robin and Starfire is very shoehorned in the story, and like you said they usually don't make mistakes with each other, which is nice and I have a hard time thinking of them in a romantic relationship with anyone else, but it's also a bit boring. Beast boy and Raven are this compelling slowburn romance with their relationship being developed in real time as Raven learns to be more open to intimacy and Beast boy learns to be more respectful towards her, their character arcs getting confused with their developing relationship.

[@thebeavpercabethftw9604]

Fun fact, the first person Raven was romantically involved with in Teen Titans was Wally West. So if the OG show was more accurate she's the Goth Girl he would've ended up with, not Jinx.

[@valentinkambushev4968]

God, Wally really has a record when it comes to girls he 🦴s.

[@brazyfever787]

She wasn't really romantically involved. More of so using her magic to manipulate him to be in love so she could help her take on Trigon. Ofc Wally didn't take this lightly once he found out

[@thebeavpercabethftw9604]

@@brazyfever787 Ah. Still the closest thing to romance Raven had when she was a Teen Titan. I don't think she and BB were a thing until they were Titans.

[@MysteryDisc]

@@brazyfever787 They still had lingering attachment issues with each other though, which became a type of "I pine for you but the well is poisoned" vibe. Raven only started to move on around the time Jericho was introduced, and Wally moved on with Magenta.

[@GamerSlyRatchet1]

It really bothered me when they were setting up Cyborg with Jinx, only to do a last-minute switch and a half-assed redemption arc with Kid Flash.

[@nathanielclaw2841]

I always thought it was kinda weird how in most media beast boy is single when they draw him as a green twink 99% of the time. I can only assume writers are somewhat scared of implying someone that turns into any animal is banging. And yes, i get he and raven got together in the comics, but then new 52 came around and that continuity was erased

[@valentinkambushev4968]

I think the thumbnail says it all.

[@Dan-zc3ou]

For real, he would have a line of people dying to get into his pants

[@jjan2383]

@@valentinkambushev4968??? huh

[@jjan2383]

i’m finding it hard to understand your first sentence, can you rephrase that? i think you made some typos

[@yamataichul]

I've always assumed when watching the show as a kid, Robin and Raven forming a profund bonding at some point off screen was a natural way for these characters to progress and from all 5 of them already being there for each other on numerous episodes. This show was therapy in disguise, like almost each episode is about some trauma, personal turmoil, a toxic person, sprinkled with goofy episodes in between (the spice that makes all come together)

[@Cloudedreign]

In the show Cyborg and Raven had the most interesting chemistry. He was the only Titan Raven took the initiative with. She spoke to him in his space and he reciprocated. It's not developed that way but of all the possibilities I would argue it had the most potential.

[@briannapicanco6337]

I feel like Robin and Raven are too easy. They're so much alike that's its kinda boring. They don't really push each other out of their comfort zones and don't have much conflict at all. While I obviously wouldn't want two people who constantly fight getting into a relationship, it's nice to see some conflict occasionally because it's what often brings growth. I also feel like despite Raven and Beast boy being so different personality wise, they can both relate to each other on other levels. Raven has insecurities. She feels like a weirdo and lacks social skills because she needs to keep her emotions in check. She's half demon, so she struggles with seeing herself as a monster and probably assumes everyone else sees her the same way. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the people she saves cower in fear because of her powers and how she looks when using her powers. Beast boy isn't the most normal looking. He's short with green skin, pointy ears, and a strange looking nose. I'm pretty sure I remember an episode where he flirts with some girls, and they laugh at him or something. He probably struggles with his outward image and is also seen as a weirdo. That paired with his goofy, nerdy personality probably limited his relationship with people outside his team.

[@jourdanfarquharson4697]

Honestly trouble in tokyo says otherwise where is luck with chicks is concerned

[@youtubecreators384]

Thank you. This is why I do not ship Raven with Damien Wayne in the DCAMU. Too much alike, which results in a boring couple. Not to mention Damien was a prick in that movie universe.

[@Beastboy_edits.]

​@@youtubecreators384 yeah i also don't like damirae, bbrae is better

[@ExeErdna]

Robin X most women are too easy it's legit a meme. Like most women were impressed by his Nightwing turn to the point where Dick been in some really bad places in the comics

[@ExeErdna]

@@youtubecreators384 Yeah keeping Raven young just so she could pair with Damien is lazy. If anything he would be little brother to her

[@MaroonAngel101]

For me, BBRae was my fav in the Teen Titans show ship wise largely because they were so fun to watch, because they were so different. I also agree with the s4 choice of Robin and Raven suddenly being tight, it did feel unearned. I didn't hate it, but I would've been more interested to see Beast Boy taking on Robin's placement instead, not just cause I like the ship, but I did love their dynamic, and he did get the closest with her.

[@A_Hylian_Not_An_Elf]

I agree that Beast Boy should have been the one to go get her. Starfire would have been a good choice too. They did swap powers and have a cool friendship.

[@nicolefornuto7177]

I agreed and i think thats probably why i never really understood Robin x Raven as a pairing because they barely interacted and then s4 we're supposed to believe that Robin is the closest to Raven and understands her best.

[@trevordavis6830]

@@nicolefornuto7177 I don’t know if anyone else had this experience, but back when I remember a lot shows/movies back then the main male character would be written to have multiple women fall in love with them even when there’s little to no chemistry and there’s already a “endgame” love interest. DCAU was especially guilty of this as over the course of all the shows/movies Batman basically grew a harem consisting of Talia, Catwoman, Wonderwoman, the Phantasm, Batgirl, and I’m pretty sure a couple of others, all while all the big Batman movies were pairing him with a new love interest every film.

[@nopenope5035]

Beast boy literally had nothing to really relate to her at that point tho. He also hadn’t earned it

[@nyx.2314]

I never got "sibling energy" from beast boy and raven. It always felt like potential chemistry to me, especially with the whole Terra thing. But I definitely got sibling energy from her and Robin. I thought it really made sense for him to be close to her cause he is the leader and felt like a big brother. (Although it did feel very out of no where)

[@nimloc1670]

Finding out more people ship them as a kid was one of the best feelings for me. I love how many comics they're canon in now

[@Ruby3P]

"There is always one pairing, that fans will do terrible things for." As an MHA fan, I know this all to well.

[@sosmooth13]

Shipping is weird to me. Like, do I want to see certain characters together? Sure. Will I care if they are or aren’t. Probably not. It feels more like a projection thing for a lot of shipping fandoms.

[@lydiakirsch5142]

As a fellow mha fan, I concur.

[@DeputyFish]

all im saying is the bunny girl... end of story

[@dude2345672]

@@sosmooth13 99% of shipping is just people liking the idea of two characters together, but almost every fandom is big enough that there are a few people who get obsessed and take it too far

[@Christinavernon2382]

The MHA fandom shipping is….😬

[@cvox607]

The funny goofball and grumpy goth is a popular dynamic in general, way before bbrae , I believe it's the reason people like the ship I'm here for it too lol

[@briannapicanco6337]

I also just like how you have Raven, who is scared to show her emotions because it can cause damage and Beast Boy, who is extremely open and expressive with his emotions.

[@malachiowens3423]

Beast boy and raven gives off peak "black cat/golden retriever" energy

[@AndreggvilJammer]

Only when you mentioned that Raven was actually more pushed towards Robin did I suddenly remember everything you said about the strange Robin/Raven pairing they tried to sell. It just got buried in the back of my mind. But I do agree that BB/Raven actually make a great pair because they work as such great friends first and foremost. They’re a great “opposites attract” trope done right (even without any romantic context), and I’m glad that DC has continued rolling with this pair for so long. I’d also love to hear you talk about Batman/Wonder Woman from the DCAU. I found them to be a really interesting pair with a great dynamic, and since you keep up with DC content, I want to know what you think of them too.

[@tomfoolery7797]

Honestly I always felt like the only reason why these two didn't end up together was because the show got cancelled too soon.

[@moondivine2288]

Maybe. Though long ago I heard the creators of the original Teen titans show didn’t like Raven x Beast Boy. Idk how true it is

[@rachelmariecaberapacheco7942]

Weird as it was once said they were written as an old married couple...XP Now that I had grown up, yeah they wouldn't have end toguether, at last not at that moment, but I did felt they may have indeed end toguether years later, when BB matured a bit more and Raven also did a little growing herself, and from there, both being a little wiser, give it a try...

[@omarmansuri7099]

idk, if their end-goal was indeed BB X Raven then it's really surprising they did nothing with them throughout Raven's arc in S4. Like even if they wanted to push it for the end, that arc was way too big of a goldmine for potential interactions for them to do nothing to push them closer atleast.

[@noname-lb3sg]

True

[@TheCommenterDragon]

Even though I ship Beast Boy and Raven, It really sucks that those two never officially got together in the original Teen Titans series like Robin and Starfire did. But you can't expect every ship in a series to become canon.

[@Valorian6167]

I honestly think it's for the best because a) if you had two couples and then Cyborg on the team, that would be hard to write episode wise; b) their romantic interactions I don't think are enough to signify an actual relationship. I fully believe that they would make a good couple, but based on the show, it is very much a one-sided puppy dog love. Also I don't think either of them are available enough to be a couple

[@rachelmariecaberapacheco7942]

I like to think they perhaps became a couple several years later, when both grew up a bit more, while Robin and Starfire are like these couple that has been toguether since highschool, they got toguether much later, yet of course...is his I felt would happen when I was younger... I shiped these two a lot ^^;

[@philly_sports1558]

Tons of people wanted Raven and Robin to get together too (based on their interactions in the Season 4 arc) even though their relationship is definitely big brother/little sister-like.

[@briannapicanco6337]

@philly_sports Robin and Raven always felt too easy to me. They're so much alike that they don't really have much conflict and don't really push each other to get out of their comfort zone. They just don't have much of a spark (at least to me).

[@maxzoloproduction]

@@briannapicanco6337 same here they boring beast boy bring out raven emotions also people forget that raven the only one to calm beast boy beast side

[@daliborjovanovic510]

A lot of fan pairings tend to come with varying degrees of baggage, from one or both parties already having canon love interests to one being an unscrupulous villain that has canonically caused the other party a lot of grief and pain, so when it comes to Beast BoyXRaven (specifically the cartoon version), I’m pleasantly surprised how not only baggage-free the ship is (there’s never even a mandatory “We’re not a couple!” denial gag scene) but also how it feels perfectly plausible within the context of canon. Of course, crazy shippers will try to distort and misconstrue canon events in order to pretend the pairing was canon all along, but regardless, the basic set-up for a romance is there, the writers just never took it in that direction, BB and Raven have that odd couple friendship going on, where they are polar opposite teens who keep getting at each other’s nerves but they always end up at each other’s side and sharing intimate bonding moments in the end. Whether fan fic writers wish to interpret that as budding romance or not, I can’t accuse them of twisting things or pulling that story development out of thin air XD

[@thetheorizermoore7476]

In the show robin says he sees raven as a sister

[@tri797]

I always felt that raven, and Robin had a more brother sister relationship. Raven and BB, however, have very early friends to romance energy. Both begin to see that the other brings out their better qualities, but not wanting to deal with these new feelings just yet. Robin and Raven is a good combo, but understanding everything about someone is what Robin is raised to do. He is trained to learn as much information as he can about everyone. To an untrained eye, it makes him look like a good friend when, in reality, he's just doing research on you behind closed doors. Robin can be vulnerable around starfire. Raven and beast boy work as the rock and balloon, one keeping the other from flying away. The other lifting them up.

[@Jinx101luv]

Yes this!!! At least with this iteration of the Titans, I just can't see any romantic bonds between Robin and Raven. Even if you take away Robin's romance with Starfire, his moments with Raven never read as romantically intended to me. Meanwhile, Beast Boy had an entire feral form that emerged for the sole purpose of protecting Raven. I mean, if that's not love to at least the first degree, idk what is.

[@miss_chelles1338]

Damn... I didn't even see it like that.🤔 But bravo, Well said. 😂

[@julianasohmer6176]

100%!! It's even like that in the pre-crisis comics! That's why I never understood people shipping them.

[@lydia2366]

Hear hear!!! 👏 👏 ❤

[@brenndanmcdonaugh1672]

I think that emotion episode cemented the ship in my mind. The pink one just oozed flirty energy, and BB was the target of that. Repressed attraction? I think SO!

[@Jinx101luv]

I think that was the one that admitted Beast Boy was funny, right? And I think in the canon first episode where they all met for the first time and Raven said something similar to that. We all know Beast Boy is a sucker for women that find him funny and it shows how he's constantly trying to get Raven to be amused by him!

[@segevstormlord3713]

So, just from the first episode you use as an example, I think the reason people see "romance" rather than "friends" in these hints is because of the blush stickers, and the way Beast Boy's eyes sparkle. Yes, those could be non-romantic signs, as well, but generally speaking, such things are signals of hormone-induced emotional reactions, not just embarrassed "okay maybe friendliness isn't weakness" reactions. Again, speaking regarding _how fiction is presented._ It can be quite hard to write non-romantic friendships. Honestly, I think that ironically Star vs. The Forces of Evil did so with Marco and Star very well, to the point that the Blood Moon Ball episode was _very awkward_ because you could see how the two of them were taking this sudden romantic implication as genuinely something they hadn't really thought about before. Not as a realization of their true feelings, but as, "Wait, what? That--is that a thing?" and it throwing their friendship into awkward places. I am not sure what I would suggest to Teen Titans to have made it less romantic and more friendly, but... yeah. I think this is the same thing that causes yaoi fangirls to assume that all male friends are secretly gay for each other. And yuri fanboys, too, re: girl friends. But while it maybe wasn't intended, the signals in the animation choices were there, I think, for Beast Boy and Raven.

[@dazzlingdexter5060]

I think that Robin had the deepest relationship with most of the Titans. He is the leader and he respects and understands most of them. I didn't find her having a trust in Robin an indication of anything other than Robin was a good leader and a good friend. Robin also figured out Tara couldn't control her powers. She assumed he was told but he just figured it out.

[@sparkyblizz]

I really liked Beast Boy and Raven's dynamic (and I really liked Raven as a kid, her and Starfire were my favourite characters I think) and this is such a great video, it makes me want to watch the series again! this also reminded me that I loved this one episode that focused on Starfire and Raven's friendship, I loved that, I always wanted to see the two girls be close friends

[@ikathiibean]

According to the wiki, Raven n Star are best friends

[@xavierjohnson2321]

Really weird how it felt like they were trying to keep Robin's options open instead of actually shipping BB and Raven with each other.

[@andrealabor3225]

Apparent hot take: the Titan who should have had the "Go to Hell for Raven" arc should have been Cyborg. From the prequel he's the one with both emotional maturity and lack of tunnel vision enough to spot Raven being standoffish and assure her she'll fit in just fine. Not to mention that bonding episode the 2 of them had over his car, which carrier excellent "sib friend" vibes. It makes sense on paper, AND they put in more work than Raven and Robin. I wish Cy and Rae had more moments like these, because they kind of were the show's platonic ideal of opposite-sex friends that didn't get shipped as much. That said, I'm cool with Raven and BB being lovers OR platonic. A good relationship shows the friendship that makes the couple work, and their friendship is more solid than 80% of the main couples I can think of.

[@RedDawnRocker]

This may sound weird but I'm pretty sure the Raven/Beast Boy ship began 10-15 years prior in the comics. In New Teen Titans Kid Flash (Wally) learned that Raven was trying to brainwash him to fall with her and her corruption by Trigon finally reached the starting gate. After failing with Wally, she corrupted Changeling (aka Beast Boy) and took him as her "pet". Well after they came back to the good side they'd eventually start dating in the comics. The cartoon hadn't even been announced yet as a possibility back then. So it took her "taming" of Changeling to make them into a couple that keeps getting back together again and again and again.

[@tomatosoup1304]

I rewatched the show after being cleared of my extreme shipping as a teen and yeah, their moments are still some of my favourites but you can tell the writers didn't intend for any romantic connection, Teen Titans has always been good at male-female friendships and they didn't feel like it. I think the dynamic of 'goofy guy x withdrawn girl' is what was most appealing. Raven and Robin always felt more sibling-like or just Robin being a good and mature leader

[@welcome_to_the_internet]

I love shipping bb&rae but the very fact of the writers prioritzing friendship regardless of gender is what makes the show what it is

[@danielferrieri7434]

I guess Raven is into some really wack stuff

[@amellirizarry9503]

the kinky goth gf we all dreamed of 😫🙌

[@RespecTheLevYT]

Yoooooooooo 😂

[@lilrqlovesanime650]

HOLY FUCK DUDE 😂😂😂

[@Mohammad-fc9sb]

Holy god of cow of cow of mole of ur mom😐

[@raymondyongho5757]

All it takes is for Raven to experiment just one time and it’s over for Beast Boy.

[@carlinerey7988]

I agree 100% with what you shared so thank you so much for making this. I will forever die on that bbrae hill, though. You forgot to mention a few details: 1. BB actually turns into a fly to SPY on Raven and Malchior when he OVERHEARD them laughing in her room. 2. BB is the one that finds out about Raven's birthday. He hears her say that she just wants the day to end and goes to the data base to snoop what was so special about that date to her and found out it was her birthday.

[@Ms.Amylia_Clenny]

I always interpreted Robin's relationship with Raven to be more of a surogate-father-daughter thing despite the age difference or lack thereof. Especially, when he was carrying her as a little kid, when Raven got de-aged in Season 4 after being used as a portal, it just felt right to think of them as... well, yeah, this is the sort of father figure she'd want & look up to. Also, about that Beast-boy hall interaction: It's actually worse than you think. He intentionally looked for a confrontation with her. When he saw her in the hallway, they were lined up to collide. Without looking up from her book, she sensed this & moved out of the way to avoid him. Seeing this subtle mov, Beast-boy got angrier & *intentionally* bumped into her to knock the book out of her hands as they passed & start a fight. He was already looking for a fight with Raven as soon as he saw her in the hallway. He just didn't start yelling & shapeshifting until after Raven called him out on his toxic behavior.

[@Jinx101luv]

Honestly, I actually don't mind the fact that they never ended up becoming "canon" at the end of the show like Starfire and Robin did. I like that I can read their interactions as something more subtle and I honestly do believe there's some implied mutual feelings between both characters. To me, it's not really because their relationship is meant to be read as more platonic (though you can certainly interpret it as that way!), but more so that they are meant to be an extremely slow burn type of couple, mostly due to the fact that they are so different from one another. As teenagers, both still have a lot of growing up to do and I feel that in order for the pairing to be earned, it has to be done when they have both already went through hell and back for each other, in a similar style to how Robin and Raven were done, only with more romantic tension between them. Even then, I still want for their eventual get together to be done well and perhaps it was a blessing in disguise that it ended without them being official.

[@KurokamiNajimi]

Beast Boy loves Terra

[@LaCrownedGamer]

The pairing is solid in building up their friendship first. If they never officially dated I think the fanbase would have been a bit sad but understanding to an extent. They would also ways be in each others corner and I don't see their friendship corroding. Honestly they were a good ship to show that not all relationships start with romantic feelings or are overly romantic even during the dating phase. Their bond would carry them through thick and thin which is hard to come by when even a small misunderstanding in a lot of shows leads to a full season of "I can explain" scenarios and broken hearts. I want to know why Cyborg is left out of the mix!?!?! Growing up I assumed it was because he was the only black character and back in the day interracial dating was sort of taboo on the big or small screen. And since they did not really introduce a black leading lady (I love Bumblebee but she didn't pop up a lot) that he had to stay single. I know he was shipped with Jinx quite often though so....maybe that could have worked?

[@stripedpolkadots8692]

While i think your interpretation is definitely valid, maybe it’s because cyborg was sort of a big brother to everyone, that’s the vibe i got at least. Plus there was that one episode showing him dating this blonde girl, so I don’t know that it was an interracial issue. I too was confused as a kid on who cyborg would be paired with, since there was no one left on the titans

[@dizzylizzy940]

The interracial aspect could have played a part, but I feel that’s not the main reason(s). I don’t think their ages were ever explicitly stated, but Cyborg always seemed older than the other Titans by at least 2 years, if not more. If I had to guess I’d say that Robin, Starfire, and Raven were 16, Beast Boy was 15, and that Cyborg was something like 18 or even 19. That kind of age gap at that life stage can be a real damper on potential romance, which is why I think Cyborg was always the big brother to everyone on the team. Especially to Beast Boy. Another factor is that he was set apart from the other Titans via his backstory. A lot of his angst was that he was a fantastic high school athlete that was poised to get a college sports scholarship, until the accident took that away from him. So he lived most of his life as just a “normal” dude. Compare that to Robin, an orphaned child taken in by Batman, or to Starfire, royalty from an alien world who was sold into slavery, or to Raven who had a top level demon as a dad, or to Beast Boy who was basically a green, shapeshifting elf from a young age. It doesn’t stop any of them from being friends, but it does kinda leave Cyborg on his own because the differing circumstances create more natural pairings. Robin and Starfire share a common root of being people who were supported in early life, but also saddled with enormous expectations. Robin was the pupil of fuckin Batman, enough said. Starfire was heir to the throne of an entire planet. Beast Boy and Raven share a common root of being fundamentally different from everyone else and having to deal with inner power that can be unmanageable. BB has his unstable genetic code and grass cosplay, with a inner beast to manage. Raven being half demon, grayish skinned, and being a literal heir to the apocalypse. As an aside, I think they’d be great together, AFTER they’ve grown up some more. What we see in the show is a good foundation, but I don’t think either (especially BB) are ready for something serious with each other within the show’s boundaries.

[@rainbowmoon1461]

Maybe he’s left out because he’s pretty much a robot? He literally can get a computer virus and go nuts. You ship him with a computer.😅

[@SynthApprentice]

​@@rainbowmoon1461Have you heard the way he talks about his car?

[@fransescocalabrese3986]

jinx was shipped at the end with kid flash if i remember? but i thing it was because cyborg was the "big brother" persona of the group, he was pysicallt the oldest, he being 17 with the next oldest being starfire at 15 and robin. raven and beast boy were 14 or 15 i dont remember, but you get what i mean right? at least for the team relashionship.

[@sirfailalotful]

Excellent breakdown. I am one of the ones who wants more platonic male/female relationships, and not because I’m opposed to friends hooking up. It’s just realistic. Every m/f friendship doesn’t involve attraction on both sides and you don’t need to force it. I think that’s a relevant message to broadcast to kids and people in general. Also, this shows me that I don’t just remember this show because of nostalgia. It had some seriously solid writing behind it.

[@SkylineFTW97]

It's not realistic. Most people are straight and see friendships with the opposite sex as a way to feel out compatibility and get to know each other before a relationship. The only way it works is if both sides don't see any romantic or sexual tension. And that usually doesn't happen. The idea that it's this common thing is what's unrealistic. Also why men and women are having a much harder time talking to one another in recent times. On one hand, physical intercourse is open, but the emotional intimacy you get from actual romantic relationships is frowned upon.

[@sirfailalotful]

@@SkylineFTW97 The fact that it doesn’t happen often doesn’t mean it isn’t realistic. As I said, if there were more shows that illustrated a platonic relationship, and if culturally it were more acceptable to have members of the opposite sex as friends, it would probably become more common. It’s not impossible or unrealistic, we just haven’t gotten there yet, but we could if we tried for it. I certainly think we would be a better society for it.

[@SkylineFTW97]

@@sirfailalotful It does. It's not realistic for the majority of cases. And quite frankly, it won't ever work because that's not how we're wired. You will always lose betting against human nature.

[@ginnungagapabyss5639]

Honestly Raven seems like a good person to hangout with, she keeps to herself, if she talks to you it’s because she actually wants to or it’s important, there’s nothing fake about her, and she might seem pissed off to most, but she’s just not putting on a fake smile to make everybody feel better because for some reason society just cannot accept that sometimes people just do not want to or feel the need to smile.

[@Tanaka-kun9313]

You know what I want to be honest about this and its the fanbase. What really pisses me of is that when ever there's a genuine friendship between a boy and a girl in fiction.It's always automatically going to be a ship despite them being perfect as they are.I mean why is it that we can't just have a normal relationship that isn't romantic in any sense but just platonic.Because romance isn't always necessary in a show between two characters of a different gender that either have a lot in common with each other or even similar but with opposite personality traits.

[@Raigius]

Because shipping is inevitable, even for same gender friendships as well...

[@Jinx101luv]

I ship BBRae and whatever but I agree with this in concept. I think the platonic closeness is shown well in cases like Robin and Raven with their moments and both Starfire and Raven had their moments with Cyborg as well. But Ido wish that we had more representation with opposite sex friends being just that. In certain cases, that has ruined shows when you attempt to pair them together (like Star vs TFOE for example).

[@nerobiblios4086]

Ironically, the same can be seen now a days with same sex relationships in media. So it's most definitely a systemic human desire to ship 2 people regardless of orientation.

[@modkip25]

@@nerobiblios4086 I would agree... EXCEPT there are a billion canon straight ships out there, and very veeeery few canon gay ships. So it is *not* the same thing.

[@ohood1788]

@@nerobiblios4086 That's not even remotely close to being the same thing. The amount of canon straight relationships far outweigh canon queer relationships. Shipping people of the same gender despite it not being canon has always existed because there's little to no canon gay relationships to be invested in, whereas if a male character just stands next to a female character not only are they shipped but more often than not it will be canon. There are way more same sex friendships in media than boy-girl friendships, especially ones that have emotional weight within the narrative and that is such a shame because it implies that men and women can't be friends without having romantic feelings.

[@jeremy1860]

This show was my only real exposure to TT media, so I'm utterly astonished that these two were made canon like that afterwards 😅

[@10tailedbijuu]

they were a thing in the pre 52 comics.

[@dbanshee276]

Honestly I dont care about it being originally not even hinted at, i've loved and shipped these two together from since i can remember and honestly the fact that these two characters who had nothing romantic going on managed to get enough fan service that *every single* -CANON- content created about them since the original show has put them together romantically, is enough to make me think they deserve the right to be together Plus their personalities together just work for the obligated dork guy goth girl dynamic every show needs and the scenes that they do have together are absolutely adorable, their relationship is the cutest thing romantic or not but i cant help but love the idea of them being together Sure, Terra and BB could make more sense considering the source material and how their relationship was then but if the bbrae got this amount of fans and this amount of recognition from the canon content™ creators than there had to be something there

[@miZ_dream]

I never shipped BB and Raven in the TT series because I also read them as close friends, but the graphic novels were very fun. They do have qualities that give them romantic potential, so when it happened as a canon thing in another piece of media, I didn't mind it so much.

[@twinone9121]

You know looking back, the only reason why I didn't get into the New52 Teen Titans was bc Raven was being shipped with Damien 😂😂😂 And THANK YOU for talking about Raven's anti-christ season 4 arc and how it was Robin that was helping her through that. I loved it as it centered around Raven but I remember feeling so confused to why it was Robin by her side and not Beast Boy. It was still a GREAT arc, but to me, I felt like if it was BB with her, it would have been ✨Perfect✨ (for my shipper heart, that's is haha)

[@briannapicanco6337]

It was just a huge disconnect for me. Raven and Robin were lacking a lot of emotional closeness and then just suddenly have Robin go to hell to get her and Raven saying he's the closest to her. It was missing the build-up.

[@A_Hylian_Not_An_Elf]

@@briannapicanco6337 Yeah. I think the writers realized they didn’t spend too much time together. I really think any other Titan would have worked better.

[@briannapicanco6337]

@Link they were probably trying to rectify that, but instead, it came off as weird, forced, and oddly romantic

[@triggerfairy4070]

Raven was the one that helped Robin during the whole Slade Hallucination thing

[@twinone9121]

@@briannapicanco6337 oddly romantic indeed lol

[@mesousagaby740]

Pardon to mention the elephant in the room, but...what about BBxTerra? I always thought it was kinda funny how subtle their ship was, like, the fact they had an "Almost Kiss" moment still gets to me because it just sorta happened. Also, Raven and BB's shipping in Teen Titans Go is actually kind weird, because they do date, but they also aren't an official ship yet because the show itself kinda is meant to be more of a gag comedy so even romances are just sorta here and there.

[@A_Hylian_Not_An_Elf]

I would have liked that in the video too, but whatever. It’s fine I guess.

[@onuhrita5009]

I never liked Beast boy and Terra shipping. It was toxic for Beast boy because it would be one sided. Terra would never care for him on his own level. I don't supported the shipping

[@Lionfire42]

TerraXBB was always weird for me because of the betrayal. Like you can tell she likes him back and he's the one that gets through to her in the end but she was going through some stuff, the lying and betrayal was a huge rift and I don't know if the amnesia was real, but Terra moved on, was healing, and it felt like it was time for Beast Boy to do the same.

[@omarmansuri7099]

I feel like BB x Terra is big enough to warrant it's own video. Putting it in this thing would've just taken away from BBxRaven

[@Amaryllis_xtt]

Isn't Terra with Slade in the comics?Sorry i don't ship Beast Boy with Terra at all😅

[@unityorbelm2415]

FINALLY, SOMEONE WHO CALLS OUT THE "they're like siblings!" Statement I couldn't stand this statement as someone with alot of siblings 1. not all siblings act like they hate each other but will stick up for one another 2. It's *very* obvious when someone says that only because they don't want to characters to be shipped but want to look morally right for saying they hate the ship 3. I feel like sibling relationships should be earned, like this is *family* we're talking about 4. Yeah, and the thing you brought up Anyways good vid

[@JustapersonnamedKai]

Fr, js say you don't like the ship! I ship a lot of stuff I can't explain, and that's okay because yoy can't really explain your feelings anyways! Same thing with icks, yoy don't know y u js don't like it

[@ss16206]

As a person who has siblings, I disagree. Most of the time we act like we hate eachother and annoy eachother but when it comes to helping, we become partners in crime. It differs for every person.

[@michaelmaguire4147]

I think the core of what makes people want to put these two together is that they have the "makes each other better" kind of relationship, and many of us are socialized to view that as one of the ideal romantic dynamics.

[@DenverZenn]

Well, you certainly want to avoid couples that make each other worse.

[@MysteryDisc]

I think the reason Robin/Raven cropped up out of nowhere was because Donna Troy wasn't available for the show. Like those two are very much platonic friends of the opposite sex; they pursue other people but are not interested in each other and will usually confide in each other when shit is hitting the fan.

[@10tailedbijuu]

thought Robin was the older brother to Raven being the younger sister. Donna Troy and Dick were probably closer in age (mind wise for Donna) so it was more so too close siblings.

[@triggerfairy4070]

Kinda funny cause theres alot of non-romance/potential romance thing between the batfamily and amazons Batman-wonder woman,Dick and Donna,Tim and Cassie,Jason and Artemis

[@iamawesome4026]

Why couldn’t they use Donna Troy since they used Wally west and aqua lad

[@MysteryDisc]

@@iamawesome4026 Unlike the others, she was caught in some licensing issues that left her in a limbo where they could give her cameos and that was it. It took until the third anniversary of the Go! comics until things were resolved.

[@Oniqueen]

Guy/Girl friendship are so popular to ship because girls just want one thing: a romantic partner who treats them as both a friend and as equals. Yeah the many sexy badboy/girl pairings with forced misunderstandings and one sided power dynamics might seem popular to ship, but in reality girls just wanna be equals in their relationship. Because nothing is more sexy than a guy who wants to treat you like his equal.

[@thomasffrench3639]

I’m pretty sure it depends on the girl. There’s girls that like that power dynamic.

[@e0o9kii]

I've always felt that Raven and Robin would have been a great match together, not necessarily because they look good together (even though they do) but rather, they've shared such a closeness and intimate moments that neither Raven or Robin had with anybody else in the team. Raven was able to see into Robin's mind, seeing (from his eyes) the death of his parents, Dick Grayson taking The Bat Oath to become Robin and Raven essentially serving as a kind of confidant for Robin. In turn, Robin has always made sure to include and make Raven feel welcomed, showing his willingness to accept her without question and in the Trigon story arc, it was mostly just Robin being there for Raven. They've also comforted each other and showed unconditional support for each other (which true, is something they've also done for the three other members of the team but, that closeness between Raven and Robin is truly noteworthy). Also, note in the episode Birthmark, when Raven froze time, she specifically chose to unfreeze and bring Robin with her, as opposed to choosing anybody else in the team.

[@ChibaMitsurugi19792]

Technically, when Terra showed up and her and Beast Boy started forming a close bond, it did seem to me that she was getting jealous and then when Terra left the Titans and BB was hurt by it, she did comfort him.

[@filiprohn1643]

I really like your take on BBRae. Of this ship being basically fully buit, but not really launched. At least in the show. Frankly when TT were on TV in my country, I was too young to be engaged in character shipping, but even then I was a little jelaus for Raven whenever Terra took the spotlight. It's definitely on of the cutest ships I'm aware of in cartoon, and is very... flavourful if that makes any sense to anyone reading this comment. And with the launch and finish of 1st DCAU I find it a bit ironic that in DamiRae she took the role of being the one that bring the other to earth. Even if that ship works on complitely different fuel.

[@10tailedbijuu]

not a fan at all of shipping Damian and Raven, not a fan at all!!

[@filiprohn1643]

@@10tailedbijuu That's fine

[@CollinMcLean]

Believe it or not this isn't unprecedented. It's known in archaeology as "Meme theory" where essentially an idea is so well liked it kind of just wills itself into existence. It's believed to be how Celtic culture reached Britain from the mainland. Beast Boy and Raven are a modern example. We all just liked together so much that we willed the pairing into existence to the point it's prime OTP.

[@10tailedbijuu]

dude it already was a thing in comics before the show existed.

[@Rex13013]

"Just because they're bonding, doesn't mean it's romantic" Tell that to the tons of people and fandoms that can't see 2 guys in media being close friends without branding them as gay

[@aqn01]

hate that too

[@table2.0]

Honestly? Let us gays have fun. The gays aren’t well fed enough in mainstream media and it changes nothing for how you can enjoy and interact with the canon media. People do this all the time with straight pairings too, even heckin siblings (gravity falls sure has some interesting ships, jeez..) but when the gays do it suddenly it’s too far

[@urljuicebox]

This would make sense if gay people in media had active rep instead of being "hinted" or "assumed" making fans feel like they have to make the content by themselves. You can name thousands of shows that include the close friendship between men as a theme and out of them probably 1 o 2 have a main gay couple as endgame, whereas het ships are still the norm lol

[@Rex13013]

@table2.0 Lol no. If this was about just having fun I wouldn't have an issue, I mean you don't have to look far to find at least a fanfic of every character in existence being gay, I would go insane if that was my issue, but it isn't. My issue is with you people's hypocrisy and the obsession, like when certain youtubers pull out the bi lighting and make a 2 hour vid branding whatever character as gay or whatever and people use that as proof that they're right, and even sometimes calling people who disagree whateverphobic of the week, for example someone recently uploaded a vid saying genshin impact as a whole is a queer game, and it's statements like that I find annoying, yeah there's a gay pairing that is beyond hinted and that everyone finds to be cool but the entire game? I can easily find you a bunch of those vids with insane takes. Another thing is when you people flip whenever there's a show without representation and when Twitter people throw a fit over fanart depicting character they see as gay being straight, as if everything has to be. There has been a bunch of cartoons in recent years with pretty forward gay relationships, I mean look at Fiona and Cake, currently it only has 6 episodes and there's like 6 or 7 gay relationships shown or confirmed so far. It's slow yes, but relationships like that are getting added more and more in media, as long as already established characters don't get changed as long as you guys can have fun and your opinions, and let other people have fun and their opinions as well, I wouldn't complain Sorry for the long ted talk, but hopefully you'll see where I'm coming from

[@table2.0]

@@Rex13013 as if there aren’t planets of videos and content doing the same for straight character ship couples or- how about- all the horribly transphobic “Gwen Stacy can’t be trans because I said so” videos that came out after the latest Spiderverse movie? What you’re talking about is literally just fandom discourse you can block so easily from your feed. Calm down, click ‘do not recommend this to me’ on the videos you don’t like and shut up. God forbid an LGBT person sees LGBT traits in a character and makes a video discussing why they have their headcanon. God forbid people find the allegory and evidence they bring up compelling enough to believe the headcanon or mistake it as fact. There’s just as many hateful people shoving “this character is straight, why does everything have to be about you gay people?” Down our throats if not more so than us, again, having fun and maybe taking it too seriously sometimes because representation is important to us since we get very little of it. Go back your outrage culture and try getting over yourself maybe.

[@DToTheB]

This just made me realize that "like siblings" is never used for same sex friendships, only opposite sex ones

[@dianababygirl322]

me when i lie

[@JustapersonnamedKai]

​@dianababygirl322 personally, I see it on straight ships inside fandoms with mainly gay ships. For gay ships I usually see "the manga isn't abt romance" since most Fandom I'm in aren't abt romance so ppl don't like ships, and when it's romance ppl hate straight ships

[@ok.4720]

Where did you pull this lie out of?

[@marcobertoni7566]

I never understood why, when I watched the show as a kid, this ship never "cliked" with me even with all the fanart and content around the web. Now I know. Thanks for the hard work!

[@MST196]

To say finally is an understatement. Thanks for covering the most forced ship (best of dc’s ships) in comic book history.

[@Ducket]

Best?

[@10tailedbijuu]

how was it forced?

[@BlackBurrito9073]

​@@spiderkaiju5023 I think he means "forced" in the way of how the fandom influenced the canonicity of the ship, but not in a bad way (therefore why he also calls it "the best").

[@julianmartinez4719]

​@@BlackBurrito9073 basically, tropes are tools.

[@MST196]

@@BlackBurrito9073 correct

[@riverbanzachamploo9725]

I completely agree. I loved them together in the comics and TTG, but in Teen Titans I honestly didn't get it. I know why people shipped it, like I'm sucker for the grumpy & sunshine pairing too. But I dunno why everyone acted like they were canon in the show. I remember when I was in elemantary school I told my fren I was conflicted because I shipped Robin with Starfire and Raven(not anymore. now i only ship him with starfire), and I honestley didn't know which one I liked more. But then she said Raven was dating Beast boy, so I corrected her telling her that he liked Tera. But instead of realizing that she was wrong she instead called ME a stinky butthead. And that's something I will never let go. As long I live.

[@ajnapalm]

I was called out in this vid and I acknowledge it as no lie. Why I liked it most: Cyborg ships never got focus. Stardick was locked in and the journey to it was just so long and had a big moment a season. BBRae just kept me going with the funnies.

[@TimToonsTalks]

I agree with what you said about Western animation being over saturated with boy/girl friendships becoming romantic relationships. Some of my favorite ones that stayed platonic were Hunk x Pidge (VLD) and Five x Miko (Glitch Techs)

[@SkylineFTW97]

That's how it actually works IRL though. Most male/female friendships have romance as the endgame. Unless it's someone you're not attracted to or who is a blood relative, friendships without romantic undertones don't really happen between the opposite sexes.

[@ecksluss]

​@@SkylineFTW97yes they do lol. What are you 12?

[@SkylineFTW97]

@@ecksluss Very rarely. The overwhelming majority of people are straight and looking to pair off. There's nothing wrong with that being the case, and it's better for people to be honest about their intentions

[@ecksluss]

I'm guessing you're sheltered, or a shutin, or were just raised by a man who thought this way, because out here in the real world, for well adjusted individuals, platonic friendships are quite common.@@SkylineFTW97

[@zbear199b3]

I wish Star and Marco had stayed platonic

[@UltraPaperGamer]

I love this pairing, I think is also wild that the DCAMU pairs Raven and Damian and they make it work, So technically Raven has been in a relationship with Both Beast Boy and Robin

[@Trottskee]

BB and Raven actually existed before this show aired. We never got to see a true ending to the series, so we never truly got to see what sort of relationship these two could've had moving on. Slowly Beast Boy really begins to "Mature" Though he's still a jokester, from his Monster phase, Terra phase, and Raven being so isolated early on. They are so opposites, yet slowly they begin to help change each other for the better. Out of all the characters, BB and Raven make the most sense. Robin and Raven only make sense as friends because they are so similar in a sense.

[@Mike_Ka-Chowski]

Robin x Raven was never really about them, it was always about Robin's hate boner for Slade

[@ajna1401]

The writers apparently we're planning on having a beast boy an raven plot before the show got cancelled at least that's the rumor I believe

[@47ratsinahoodie]

Robin and Raven will always be more siblings to me lol. I actually agree that it's fine that Raven and BB were only friends, as much as I like them together. And not necessarily just for the girl/guy friendship always turning romantic thing, having two romantic relationships within the team and then Cyborg just there would be kinda weird imo. It would become easily to accidentally write with more attention on the romantic relationships which would inherently leave Cyborg out. But having Star and Robin dating, Raven and BB close friends, BB and Cy best friends, Robin and Raven sibling-like, Cy and Star and Cy and Robin close friends, would force more focus on the platonic and familial relationships between the members of the team because now those totally outweigh the 2/5 members in a romantic relationship, which would make sure everyone's involved in the stories.

[@SHEESHAW100]

I think it would've worked if they got more seasons and Cyborg x Jinx was a thing since that ship could've added so much depth into Cyborg's character (which I felt the show lacked). It would've been cool if they explored the hero x villain pairing with him and jinx, choosing between his love for her or his moral values, her or his team mates, and how dating a bad guy (who harmed a ton of innocent people including you and your friends) pokes holes/calls into question how good you really are as a person. Yeah we got Beast Boy x Tera but that's different, they're relationship didnt start off as her being a villain. Plus she's off that role now, she's redeemed and her memories were possibly erased.

[@anilorac8233]

honestly i kind of felt like robin was more of sibling material, and less romantic material. best boy has always been my endgame for raven.

[@johnd8553]

This is why cyborg is one of my favorite characters in the show because unlike all the others while he does seem to have a romantic interest at the end of the show with bumblebee he kind of seems like the one in all of the medium that is both the most mature but without being too overly mature like Robin is I really think they should have gave Tara to cyborg because of that reason because it would have left the Beast Boy Raven ship alone while also making it very apparent that cyborg is the ambassador of the group for superhuman people because he can relate strongly to *everyone* in the group unlike the of the other members

[@jayceallen6530]

Im pretty sure cy liked jinx and bumblebee even teaseshim about it but I think bee and cy could be a neat pairing

[@barubary218]

BBxrae is one of my all time otps. For that opposites attract thing and honestly I thought their vulnerable moments where just plain adorbs and heart melting Also them setting up the robin raven ship is weird when you consider the fact that from the word go it was clear starfire and robin where meant to be the main couple

[@JBarrit]

You talking about this ship that technically never was has me appreciating and even hoping you'll eventually cover OK K.O. on its own shipping game. Where they even use characters in universe as surrogates for the fans of a ship and just have those characters end up dating other people - with those relationships being legitimately the nicest to watch.

[@seanchukwuezi3079]

One of the few good aspects about ttg really having balls to ship beastie and Raven they basically have great chemistry and having a will they wont they trope well.

[@Taygon45]

I have actually collected the comics that showcase this couple that came out before the show aired. And even a bit after. So no, the community didn't spawn it. After the debacle that was Raven brainwashing people to love her or herself to love them, BB was her first true love. Also Raven isn't an introvert. She HAS to be an introvert to not blow everything up around her. And BB isn't hyperactive. He has to be or else he'll be just as much of a recluse as Raven. It may not be obvious in the show, but almost every BB has admitted that they put on a goofy front because if they don't they know they'll crumble under all the shit they've been through.

[@sadvec6328]

Don't mess with the BBxRae fandom We will literally draw Raven screwing with a green version of the whole animal kingdom

[@pedmonds2011]

Bruh 😂

[@XDyaoifangirl]

Honestly I was into beast boy x Terra. I think cuz I was engaged into the tragity of the story this pair brought. While she was struggling he was doing what he could to try to save her but in the end… it was so beautifully sad. “Her name was Terra. She was gifted with tremendous power, and cursed with it as well. She was a dangerous enemy and a good friend. And she was one of the bravest people that I have ever known.” Beast Boy

[@robertmurphy7131]

I see what you’re saying, but a teen Robin carrying a child Raven on his back definitely gives more big brother vibes than BB and her. I think it might’ve been implied that Robin knows her better than anyone because he researches everyone similar too Batman and the Justice League. Bb and Raven clashing at first was early on when the team was getting to know each other.

[@KicktheSky34]

I feel like Robin was given such prominence in Raven's season because he's a) the leader of the team and effectively the primary protagonist and b) because of his personal connection to Slade. I think Beast Boy would have been a far more personal nemesis by then, after everything with Terra. What a missed opportunity.

[@alesbianwithabook]

I SAW THE TITLE AND CAME AS FAST AS I COULD

[@bigimp3018]

In which way

[@victorvirolva8555]

Damn.

[@reagan1197]

Proof?😳😳😳

[@javianbrown8627]

I want to see you make more videos on friendships now especially between opposite genders or just people that could potentially date.

[@dbanshee276]

"she isnt just an introvert, she's also the antichrist" she's so real for that No bit really, this describes this whole character so well and i laughed way too much at it

[@duduvec5971]

I would say that Robin teaching Raven how to control her powers makes more sense than you think. Just like Beast Boy allows Raven's emotional state to flourish by not alowing her to shut in completely, Robin as the next most serious in the group about their abilities, is the one that teaches her how to enhance her skills. Since controling your powers calls for a mentor, not emotional support, Robin is more suited for it since he is the leader and has the best knowledge on learning and harnesing skills

[@CLDJ227]

The writers of this show always meant to have them have this married couple dynamic: they fight at times with their opposite personalities but they deeply care about each. I always felt like this version of them could date if BB was a bit more mature and Raven become a bit more easy going. I agree that if they did it would just be a cherry on top but in some respects it's not needed 😎. Also, yes Damian and Raven could work when Damian is actually likable 🤔.

[@robalina2941]

I was the wierd girl who shipped Robin and Raven😭 the other kids hated me. As I've gotten older I like Beast Boy and Raven but like... I'll always have a soft spot for Robin x Raven.

[@davidbodor1762]

I thought Raven and Cyborg were the ship, since BB was already with Terra and Robin with Starfire.

[@bilou1380]

I don't completely get the comments on Ravin and Robin. For me in the show I saw that Raven and Robin were actual best friends like truly best friends. I see him as the only one who gets her the best, but not in a romantic way, they give me siblings. He's the older brother and she's the traumatized little sister who knows more than the others. Especially in the trigon episode when he was the only one able to get through to her, not romantically but familially. Especially since even before that, they rarely ever fought and he gave her the space she needed when she needed it. So I always took them for bff's/ siblings.😅

[@XZMDragon]

Yes, Beast Boy and Raven (BBRae) are an official couple in DC Comics. The relationship has been hinted at in the comics, movies, and animated series, and was confirmed after Dark Knights: Death Metal. The pairing has become canon after the show ended, due to the show's popularity and the opposite nature of the characters.

[@tylerpoirier3699]

Beast Boy as a canonical Fall Out Boy fan warms my heart. Also BBxRae, platonic or love, is a vibe

[@GamerSlyRatchet1]

As much as you hate the term, the Teen Titans showrunners have literally described Beast Boy and Raven's dynamic as "bickering siblings". Also, I honestly think the random bond between Robin and Raven in season 4 wasn't out of romance, but because the show felt the need to involve Robin with every seasonal arc. He paralleled Terra as Slade's apprentice in season 2. He had a falling out with Cyborg that drove him to Titans East in season 3. He even took down the Brain together with Beast Boy in season 5. But season 4 feels the most natural due to their mutual chemistry and the involvement of Slade. Though, the Teen Titans Go comic (NOT the show) blatantly hinted a one-sided attraction from Raven.

[@nschannel826]

I absolutely love Raven and Robin's relationship, but more as a platonic duo. Nothing against people who ship it, I'm just a sucker for fellow-edgelord-solidarity friendships. -(also robstar ftw)-

[@TheSchnieder6]

It's just the perfect pairing. Psychic/magic user plus physical fighter. Introvert plus extrovert. The inner turmoil that effects outward appearance and demeanor vs outer appearance effecting behavior and general outlook. Night and day, yin and yang.