Luz X Amity: The Ship We Needed

[@SarcasticChorus]

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[@bdenergy1066]

its lumity not luzity

[@milktea6676]

I feel like luz x amity is like bubblegum and Marceline but if they planned it in the beginning

[@rainbowglitch4842]

please, for my sanity's sake, chance it to say lumity

[@SarcasticChorus]

@@rainbowglitch4842 Fixed it

[@joedoherty5018]

Just to note, I use a VPN so I can watch the owl house on Disney Now. Since I live in Northern Ireland. And the Owl House is only available in America

[@sonorasgirl]

Also, as a bi woman, I like how Luz just crushes on everyone without discrimination. She just likes who she likes and I love it 🥰

[@MistressLupine]

As a lesbian I agree strongly! ✨✨

[@sonorasgirl]

@Lara Davies thank you! I never spell anything correctly (dyslexic) unless it corrects me, so I appreciate it

[@MangoMagica]

I love it too

[@BerryBeanFoolery]

Fellow Bi waman also agrees

[@BerryBeanFoolery]

@StrawberryStar common mistake, bisexual is the attraction one’s own gender and a gender that isn’t our own. It’s not only male or female, that’s just a way to simplify it ;D

[@zil_street_art]

As someone who’s not really into shipping, I do really like this couple.

[@eatatjoes6751]

Yep. I'm in love with it now.

[@aruce9]

It feels organic and the natural conclusion of amity’s characters arc

[@casualpequod6054]

Same here. I understand why people ship tho. And lumity is pure goodness and some rep that was sorely lacking

[@salanaya8718]

Yeah same!

[@oprime]

Plus you've got to admit, it's nice to see a couple that doesn't have their relationship of getting together dragged out over many seasons or for them to get together only at the end with no signs of how their relationship is afterwards. The only other Disney show I can think of that actually did this was Kim Possible(yes, I know they weren't a gay couple but that wasn't the point here) where they did show a relationship after the getting together, which wasn't perfect like all the implied other endings but stumbling work at making it a good relationship for each other.

[@maxfieldjoyner5244]

“Lesbian Draco” cracked me up and it’s so accurate. My first thought when I saw her was “oh great. Tiny Draco”

[@ArkadiBolschek]

Personally, I've always seen her as "Slitherin Hermione" rather than Draco. Amity is top student, Draco only had his posse and his rich dad.

[@wisteria7052]

@@ArkadiBolschek but draco was really smart tho in his studies

[@PancakemonsterFO4]

@@ArkadiBolschek But Draco is such a diva, pretending to be too bad for this world but being an emotional mess deep down

[@SKStar-zf3vn]

@@ArkadiBolschek And the want of validation from a parent bring you to be an emotional wreck

[@DustyStarrs]

legit they're just everything drarry possibly could have been

[@whitney8656]

I love this ship, it's not toxic and it is literally how any relationship should be showed.

[@d4xn4v]

exactly!

[@ArkadiBolschek]

It's actually amazing that Amity (all the Blight kids, really) didn't turn out worse with such fucked up parents.

[@cliziamichielan1704]

​@@ArkadiBolschek I think that it's because of her siblings. They are twins so they grew up supporting eachother, then when amity was born they were there for her

[@daniapfel9673]

@@ArkadiBolschek Yep

[@noakinn]

​@@cliziamichielan1704for real. although my grandparents weren't exactly the best parents, my mother and her siblinhs had each other, and other support and loved ones, and they ended up as pretty amazing people who i look up to

[@plsctvns]

as a wise owl tube once said, “they’re adorable, and deserve all the happiness!”

[@awesomemarineship649]

I read this with Hooty's *Really high pitched voice* , I love it

[@DustyStarrs]

this. this is THE comment.

[@sktalking223]

No, only the gay panic deserves all the happiness. However luz deserves only 50-75% happines

[@philly_sports1558]

Hooty is the man

[@oliiscat]

@@sktalking223 HUH

[@mimitogami]

“A little all over the place, but her heart is in the right one.” I’m sorry, but I LOVE this quote

[@oprime]

Same here!

[@kendi5391]

Sounds like description of Deadpool

[@oprime]

@@kendi5391 Except that she's a bit more sane... lol

[@DustyStarrs]

when Sarcastic Chorus writes a good sentence, he writes a good sentence!

[@ChimeraLotietheBunny]

Agreed

[@mathewricafrente5984]

I got into watching The Owl House after seeing a scene of these two dancing while defeating a giant slime monster and it was so cool and they looked so cute together!

[@XxFireDraganxX]

Actually yeah same 😂😂

[@valentinkambushev4968]

Same.

[@cierra3584]

Yeah, it was a show I knew I was gonna eventually watch, I just watched it sooner because I knew it was gay

[@megawonszrzeczny9]

Samee

[@the_lost_genesis5276]

THATS EXACTLY HOW I FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS SHOW LMAO

[@thenerdbeast7375]

In defense of the flaws of this show, Disney has not at all been agreeable with Dana Terrace or the show. The third and final season was cut to three 45 minute "movies" and I imagine with Disney supporting the "Don't Say Gay" bill I wouldn't be surprised if Dana Terrace slapped them with a big "fuck you" resignation when this is all over.

[@michaelstrong5383]

I wouldn't blame her at all if she leaves Disney once The Owl House is over.

[@Cr102y]

The flaws of the show don’t have much to do with Disney though,Amphibia had a lot more executive meddling than TOH.

[@thenerdbeast7375]

@@Cr102y It's not a competition. Regardless of how much Amphibia was meddled with , TOH was cut short so plot threads and character arcs had to as well.

[@Nsinger998]

It's not a 'Don't say gay' bill. No where in the bill does it even mention the word 'gay'. It's much closer to an 'Anti-Grooming' bill. I urge everyone out there to read the bill for themselves and not let MSM tell them what to think.

[@davidbodor1762]

Well, her show would be over so there's no resignation, it's not like she would've worked on another project or anything.

[@tobenamed610]

Luz and Amity respect each other. The most recent episode shows this; Amity knew Luz was lying about visiting her home realm and had what she needed to prove it to herself but instead of breaching her privacy she confronted Luz about it calmly, and instead of Luz getting defensive or overreacting and thinking Amity was attacking or accusing her she talked about it openly and apologized. They know how to communicate to each other, which is the problem a lot of relationships fall to and honestly it gets annoying. Lots of couples let their resentment over keeping secrets destroy the relationship and they never just talk anything through. Because these shows always have to have drama somehow, right? This is a great couple. Nobody can prove me otherwise because they will never have enough evidence to support it because it isn't there

[@Xatalla]

Owl House and Surprisingly, The ZOMBIES movies have been having couples that...actually communicate their problems to each other? That come clean about issues? That work through them??? It's so refreshing to see, and it's REALLY nice to see LGBT+ rep in a cartoon. There are so many reasons why Lumity is a great ship, not just for a cute, believable relationship between teens, but for all the other things it says too.

[@the_UF365]

The tunnel of love scene shook my former bigoted self to the core. Before watching this show, I had no idea that being in love with someone of the same gender could be an option. I was taught, or at least it was heavily implied, by my church that being gay was a temptation by the devil to sin. That there was no real connection between those in an LGBTQ+ relationship. As they went through the tunnel of love, where Amity actually blushed at the thought of Luz calling her smart, cool, and classy, I knew some of the writers of the owl house must have felt that emotion. Then, to have Luz destroy the whole thing, I genuinely was scared for their relationship moving forward. Real emotions in a scene like that can only be achieved by writers who are writing g what they know. Lumity is a (you can correct me if I'm wrong) true and good representation of those in the LGBTQ+ community. My thanks goes out to Dana Terrace and the Owl crew from changing my point of view. We're all people who deserve love and happiness in this world.

[@getinloserweregoingshopping947]

Yassssss I'm proud of youuuu

[@DustyStarrs]

Yay! So glad you changed your view. The power of stories!

[@MemeHero]

Yeah. Lots of LGBTQ+ are typical people. They're not specific unicorns unable to belong. Just scapegoated, so that there's someone to blame. I remember back then when if someone were acting or sounded a certain way, you'd get called gay. Same with just if you hated someone. "Gaaaay!" I hope they know that HIV came from a chimp, and that Leviticus from the Christian Bible dislikes people eating pork, selling land permanently, and shaving. Plus, his famous line mistaken for despising homosexuality actually is for incestuous relationships.

[@midnights2631]

I'm so proud you changed! It's not easy to shake off things like that.

[@noturboi909]

Yay, sorry about what you were taught

[@Jack-so5bp]

I don't know if straight people realize just how amazing two girls on screen crushing is for someone like me. It's not implied, it's not up for interpretation. After an entire life of watching and loving straight couples go on adventures and fall in love, seeing these cartoon girls doing the same thing is a release I didn't even know was building. Knowing that future kids will watch shows like this and see gay relationships as normal parts of life makes me cry, because I never had it. And just knowing that this is how far we've come is so overwhelmingly nice.

[@Michimich97]

and its treated like the cute relationship that it is. No drama for being gay or coming out, its just normal 😭and also a healthy relationship. Its a cartoon but this ship truly means a lot to me

[@Spacey_key]

Don't put every straight guy or gal in the same bag

[@DustyStarrs]

oh it's SUCH a different feeling to have it be explicit all the way through the show. It feels so comforting and safe. I love TOH sm!

[@MALICEM12]

I think you're in for a surprise in about 30 years.

[@bananaxoonana8131]

as a straight person i see why it would be a big deal. it may not affect me but glad to see it helps others

[@Solqueen86]

The fact this is the best presentable couple Disney has given us and yet Disney funds anti-LGBTQ things just waffles out my brain sometimes

[@BlizzardofKnives]

It’s probably down to Disney being so large an organisation, with different parts having different priorities.

[@elsafowl]

Yeah and I wouldn't say Disney has "given" us that, they barely allowed the couple. Dana Terrace had to fight for Lumity and now, the show has been "cancelled" after the 3rd season AND reduced the number to 6 instead of 20+. So talk about homophobia at Disney

[@ligtningdog6399]

You need to stop thinking about Disney and other large companies as if they are people with an actually personality and values. It's all about the money. Always has been. Period.

[@ariannamyrie9520]

The way I cope with this is, I support Disney creators, not corporate Disney.

[@ShootingStarFromDeepSpace]

"Everyone is welcome under the rainbow!"

[@plymbum6571]

Let's be honest, Lumity is better written then most straight relationships let alone gay ones.

[@plymbum6571]

@@Cr102y I mean for one, that is still most relationships in media. For two, while it is true that the trope of redemption and enemies to lovers is common the fact that something is a trope doesn't innately make it bad. This is a case of actually the trope being handled very well. Most prominently because those wrongdoings were not forgotten but worked through. In addition what makes this relationship good is that as Chorus mentioned, it isn't drawn out. There isn't really a long will they won't they. In some way it is just two kids falling for eachother and then getting together. It doesn't try to pump up the breaks or force it into many seasons or add unnecessary drama. That is more realistic and far healthier than most fictional relationships.

[@garyforagerjr5074]

I disagree felt rushed

[@Cr102y]

@@plymbum6571 Not all of them,just some of the more popular ones. It’s not just that it’s a very overused trope,it’s also about the fact that Amity nearly got Luz killed over status was something that is rarely acknowledged,going from doing the bare minimum for Willow after bullying here for years to in-universe shipping in just a single episode is pretty rushed and not exactly making up for what she did,if anything it feels like the show was just trying to make the ship happen asap regardless of what happened in the story. It’s not drawn out or brought up as a last minute decision which is good but it certainly wasn’t developed in a way that felt natural or like a good payoff,and like before,going from nearly killing Luz and bullying her first friend in the BI (or perhaps even in general which makes it worse) to being her GF in a couple of episodes doesn’t just feel rushed but also not very healthy at all,a lack of drama isn’t exactly a lack of problems,especially since the show doesn’t really acknowledge them or treats them as problems which makes it worse than most relationships in media,arguably almost on par with other toxic relationships like Mordecai x Margaret,Catradora,etc.

[@plymbum6571]

@@garyforagerjr5074 I would say a core element of it is that it is a first relationship between teenagers. Crushes can form quickly and randomly and once Amity was pretty much a decent human being the relationship forming was pretty much only a matter of each of them gathering the courage (or more accurately Hooty forcing them to gather up the courage). The relationship isn't done and isn't stagnant. I think most of literature makes us imagine relationships as this thing that forms really really slowly and then in a big boom. This relationship formed quickly and now they have to figure out the ins and outs of it which is in some ways far more realistic.

[@plymbum6571]

@@Cr102y It's worth noting that those couple of episodes were still a couple of months. And while you are right that her actions towards Willow were horrible in some way I don't see why that makes her relationship with Luz toxic. Amity's interactions with Luz were by no means positive at first but were fundamentally rooted in miscommunication and not in toxicity or malice. And after Amity committed to changing she pretty much did so entirely. In that way there really wasn't any actual toxicity between them. They got into fights and disagreements before they got to know eachother and then spent most of the season getting to know eachother and generally being positive to one another. While it took longer for Amity to apologize towards Willow (a necessary step undeniably) it doesn't change that her toxic actions were not towards Luz and after Amity apologized to Willow it still took nearly half a season before they actually began dating. I think it is important to note that this isn't treated like some sort of grand endgame relationship but as exactly what it is. A first relationship between two teenagers. Of course it isn't perfect and of course they fell for eachother relatively quickly. But that doesn't make it unhealthy and it means that the relationship is fundamentally dynamic and will grow as they do. That element is what makes this relationship well written more prominently.

[@nateds7326]

The fact that Hooty was like "screw this im speed running these dorks into a relationship" is hilarious and amazing.

[@blackness4255]

I think the person who is most overlooked is Eda and her family. Eda went from a unresponsible outlaw mess in her early 40s to a real good mom/mentor with even a whole school she runs! That's one hell of a development

[@jordanstairs692]

Lesbian Draco has to be the best summary of Amity out there, definitely A tier.

[@elenafriese891]

Like legit, the earlier bits of their relationship was what helped me figure out why draco/Harry was a ship

[@Aisha_Luv]

I would add “with a redemption arc”

[@EditDeath]

I figure the fact that Luz is a protag is important to why this ship stands out so much, too. Yes, Kipo gave a relatable gay romance, but between a major supporting character and a side character not introduced for almost a full season. You can ignore that part of the story and still enjoy the show. When the protag is involved in the ship, there's a spotlight no other relationship in the show is likely to receive. Everything else said here is absolutely correct, I just feel like Luz's role in the story is a major contributing factor for why so many eyes are on this.

[@color2550]

KZbin asked me to rate your comment from poor to excellent. I gave it a "excellent"

[@floricel_112]

8:25-9:00 or, in shorter words "she's Pacifica, if Pacifica's development went further and started earlier"

[@valentinkambushev4968]

Took the words out of my mouth.

[@song-feather1623]

….shoot you’re right-

[@Derleks]

oh my... that explains so much

[@marcelhunter1862]

Not really but it is the easyest way to say it.

[@yohanesbobbysanjaya3541]

lol when my friends and I first saw her we actually called her "Green Pacifica" lmao, good time few years back. or as my friend would say, "Owl House is a child between Gravity Falls and Little Witch Academia"

[@allisr77]

honestly in the recent episode the fact amity didn’t invade luz’s privacy was amazing and set a rlly good example

[@nschannel826]

If it weren't for Lumity, I probably wouldn't've came out as bi to my dad when I did. Talking about The Owl House with him was what made him confirm to me that he doesn't have a problem with gay people despite literally everyone else in my family being homophobic. His wife and him has been really supportive and I'm really glad I came out to them.

[@420sakura1]

Even Odalia was accepting of her daughter coming out but why the girl of her choosing.

[@chloec9760]

i love how everyone thought she was gonna be homophobic but then she went “damn…she’s poor” 😭💀

[@floricel_112]

6:20 despite sharing your jaded view, I'm of the opposite opinion: I absolutely love and adore positive, optimistic and nice protagonists and characters, as long as it doesn't feel forced or exaggerated, because I *wish* people in real life were as genuinely nice and caring as they can be in cartoons. And if more good role models can be given the spotlight, who knows, maybe that positive attitude can spread to others

[@pineapplesarereal636]

I agree it felt like a very nice breath of fresh air, I've always had an issue with lots of kids or teen shows having such toxic relationships or pointless arguments that aren't dealt with in a healthy manner.

[@Homodemon]

I mean... They can be. You just genuinely have to go out more and meet MORE people. This is coming from a disaster with social phobias.

[@sonorasgirl]

Yuuuus same

[@garyforagerjr5074]

Well said

[@americancommunist6076]

people are that way, but the world is harsh, exploitative, and cruel. don't blame them for trying to survive.

[@MegaChickenfish]

"A Willow episode was promised" I think should not be underestimated, we saw with Understanding Willow how much they can pull off in one episode.

[@toadlord8594]

Well good news for the Willow Stans is that with her new hair style and her appearance in one of the episodes we’re hopefully getting plenty of Willow and Gus screen time + development to balance out the Lumity.

[@HaydrogenBomb]

Yeah, I hope you're right

[@DeathKnightWriter]

SAM was the quickest

[@DeathKnightWriter]

SAM was the quickest

[@DeathKnightWriter]

Wg06

[@BlizzardofKnives]

Plus there was a the voice recording of Luz hinting at lingering tension between Willow and Amity.

[@hellNo116]

amity is not catra nor zuko. I kinda like that we don't have to wait for a billion years for amity to improve. she is a kid in high school. she didn't have to military revolt to her parental figures. is she terrible when she starts out? yes? but she is a broken kid that needed to learn. and she learned and it is fine

[@d4xn4v]

this!

[@YoItsKernal]

Don't compare zuko to carry, zuko is far superior

[@hellNo116]

@@YoItsKernal first and foremost. I didn't second of all even if I did this is how comparisons work. by comparing things that are similar yet not the same. we can discuss if it is a fair comparison or something like that, but I don't care. I like both equally a lot. zuko is my childhood and catra is my female rebelious teenage years I never got to experience. I cannot discuss them fairly or objectively, whatever that is supposed to mean, and I don't care too. I am not a literaturely analist or something. I am a fan of both. Also you are not wrong catra is the carry in this freaking relationship with adora the oblivious

[@YoItsKernal]

@@hellNo116 bro I was joking calm down 💀

[@DustyStarrs]

exactly! refreshing to see a character who reflects on herself so quickly!

[@thisisnotacreativename1741]

"I want ONE episode with Amity and Willow" *Season 2 understood the assignment*

[@alllittlethingzz]

The ship is amazing and a lot of people in the fandom think they’re relationship was a bit rushed and I can kinda see that cause, Luz and Amity got to know each other and where rude and didn’t like each other well mostly Amity then they became friends in season 1, which was awesome but I feel like we should have seen them become more and more close as friends before dating in season 2. But the ship is amazing and cute. I wish we got to see more of Willow and Gus as well cause the show is about Luz and Amity which gets super annoying to me honestly, like we please get more Willow and Gus.

[@BrandonJames2016]

Yeah like it could’ve waited just a little bit but you know with toh basically canceled so it was the best choice they could do

[@alllittlethingzz]

@@BrandonJames2016 yea that’s true

[@virginiafernandez6846]

Definitely. It did feel a slight bit rushed when they went to “not hating eachother” to “crush”, but eh, I did binge the two first seasons.

[@damkylan3]

@@virginiafernandez6846 It's definitely the binging, because that's not how they developed. They went from not hating each other, to further understanding each other, helping each other through various different challenges, and then becoming friends, at which point Amity's feelings became clear, but were still mostly one-sided. Wasn't until the second season that Luz realized her own feelings, and then we had the allotted period of pining but not getting together. All the pieces were in place. The real difference between Owl House and other shows is that it doesn't drag its feet and has an actually good pace.

[@Randomaccount-zd7so]

Nobody cares about the characters the fanbase always focuses on "LUMITY" and not the show itself. Willow and gus are way underrated.

[@austinfletchermusic]

I saw "Luzity" and took 10 points of psychic damage. Other than THAT, another fucking fantastic video on the REAL groundbreaking Disney queer couple, not some background one-liner characters that get cut in foreign releases.

[@valentinkambushev4968]

...and that's why Amphibia wasn't canceled.

[@SarcasticChorus]

Fixed it.

[@austinfletchermusic]

@@SarcasticChorusThank you!!

[@The_Gidz]

@@SarcasticChorus now it says "Lamity" which is equally as offensive 😭

[@Liliana_the_ghost_cat]

I took 69,96 points of psychic damage. Trust me, no matter how you look at it, nothing about it was nice.

[@vko.]

Luz and Amity literally made me realise i was 100% gay bc that's how i acted around my crush. tbh like their relationship is so important to me and i will root for them until the day i die

[@panda7915]

Good for you. I realized what I want my relationship to look like

[@BlazeDupree1525]

I wish I had them when I was discovering my sexuality in middle school and highschool. This would have saved me so much drama trying to figure my shit out and what to do for my crush. 🤷

[@DustyStarrs]

I knew I was bi before I watched TOH, but seeing that representation just reaffirmed and validated it. I just love how validating the show is for all your weirdness!

[@Antiyonder]

Hetero, but I approve strongly of LGBT rep becoming less and less blink and you miss it or wating til the end. Heck, besides representation it's nice to have a couple where getting together isn't the end, but another beginnings. Lastly the wise Owl House himself sums it up best. They're adorable and deserve all of the happiness.

[@YoItsKernal]

At least it's not toxic cough cough catradora

[@Ashlee665]

R/accidentalally

[@Pherim_]

Im straight as far i have tested it, and i never had a problem with LGBT+ couples, or any couple at all, as long as they're good written and healthy, which to be fair 90% are not...

[@mrscreamlad6572]

@@Ashlee665 this doesn't seem accidental...?

[@SuperEasywalker]

Well in the latest episode of the OWL HOUSE “The Follies of the Coven Day Parade,” when Amity visited Willow, who was exercising by the way, to talk about Luz it was clear that Amity is still feels guilty about she has done to Willow over the years, and Willow, despite “forgiving” Amity, it is clear on her face that she still hold a grudge.

[@ArkadiBolschek]

Yeah, and I like the fact that they showed that. Looks like they're planning on addressing the issue.

[@phenix5323]

Arise once more Willow stans, she has a new haircut in the trailer so maybe she and Gus won’t get shoved to the side this season!!! /s

[@MaskedKittyYT]

as a willow stan i can tell you i’ve already been ready for it, hopefully they get more time in 2B.

[@fumarc4501]

Rise!

[@lion_5404]

they already have a lot of screentime in season 1 why people say they don't have enought scenes in the series

[@Snowstriken]

@@lion_5404 I'm pretty sure when people say this they mean by that we don't get a lot of things about them,Understanding willow is more an amity episode,they get shoved to the side for other charcaters

[@haroldpurcell4656]

good news the latest episode she has the most screentime compared to amity luz and gus! plus she gets more development

[@HelluvaSwiftie]

I’m going to be completely honest, Amity’s purple hair looks SO much better than the green. And that’s saying something considering I LOVE that shade of green, that purple is my favorite color and the haircut looks better to me.

[@justme22154]

Not only does it look better, but it has some of the best hairstyles too.

[@paolotorres8537]

If you ask me, their relationship is a lot healthier than Adora’s and Catra’s.

[@47ratsinahoodie]

I mean, there's absolutely no question about that, especially considering there's no war that splits them up with one getting friends and the other getting less mental stability.

[@Riaah_love]

Definitely. Catra and Adora were a fine couple in the first episode..after that it just went downhill

[@DustyStarrs]

I love catradora but totally agree. This is why I prefer rivals to lovers to enemies to lovers! The latter can make things... more problematic. I don't think Catra and Adora's relationship is really problematic, just... yeah. Lumity's much healthier.

[@paolotorres8537]

@@DustyStarrs yeah, but even before Adora and Catra became enemies, their relationship wasn’t healthy growing up. And Amity was about as mean to Luz as Catra was to Adora

[@DustyStarrs]

@@paolotorres8537 true

[@greysock5311]

"She was just lacking the edginess the target demographic wanted" Season 3 Luz: Also, I just wanted to say this, I think the reason Amity's biggest fear is rejection from Luz, is because the thought on being rejected by one of the only people who has ever excepted you, and having the risk of ruining it, is the scariest thing to Amity

[@jamiee7367]

3:43 From what I can tell, this is only _partially_ true. Now, Dana has confirmed that the Disney execs did push for more Hexside-centric episodes. _However,_ Dana has also shown that Hexside was an early concept, being part of the original unaired pilot. Additionally, Lilith was originally conceived early in development as the principal of Hexside, before they got a better grasp on the story direction & replaced her with Bump.

[@JetblackJay]

I’m gonna make this short the only problem with the ship is the slightl amount of Luz shooting amity in the foot she’s punished a lot because of Luz like the library job it’s a little stinky because some parts could just be changed to not punish her and get the same result and also to have amity apologize for almost killing luz Just those are small issues in a otherwise good ship

[@valentinkambushev4968]

I also don't like how Luz just fell in love with Amity. Before episode 2 Luz was the oblivious protagonist and then BOOM she is madly in love with Amity. It felt a little out of nowhere.

[@mallowchu8375]

@@valentinkambushev4968 I think she have liked her (romanticly) since Prom of what the crew has been saying, though yeah it isn't super obvious in the show

[@floweroftransformation]

The library job part was bad, yes. But Luz went out of her way to go through multiple dangerous trials in order to get it back for Amity when she was not required to.

[@CannibalShinobi]

@@valentinkambushev4968 Luz spends a lot of time trying to become friends with Amity for a whole lot of no reason, she doesn't do that for any other witch she met that started out antagonistic. She was attracted to her from the beginning.

[@verdurite]

@@valentinkambushev4968 It wasn't "out of nowhere" it was properly paced. You're just used to the "will they, won't they" trope being dragged out way too long to see that this is just the START of their relationship. She isn't "madly in love" she just started dating the girl.

[@daisvki3206]

I'm not really into shipping characters because I prefer focus on the plot but these two have such an healty and well written relationship.Also TOH is a really good show tbh.

[@kentjovensotelo7076]

yeah, i agree I just forget that the shipping is there for the plot

[@willichtenstein7071]

Korrasami is indeed a crack in an open door. I was right back then when I said "years will go by and we'll get actual LGBT couples which will judge Korra poorly in hindsight". It wasn't some revolution. It was a way to deflect hate, criticism, and score easy clout. Korra got mountains of hate at the time. Most of it undeserved, but any actual constructive criticism was mired in that mess of shouting angry boys. It prevented any actual discourse of the show for years.

[@awsomelyrandomstuff916]

I have to agree with this korra really isn't as bad as people say it is and this is coming from having recently rewatched it and grew up watching it. While not perfect it can't bring myself to say it was bad

[@starsiadraws]

I actually really didn''t find Korrasami do be a well done gay couple back when I was actually watching it (though this was part of my hard right/anti-SJW phase an angry bi so that probably didn't help). I get they didn't have the choice, but it felt really underdeveloped and almost "forced," like they couldn't think of how to resolve the love triangle and just made it gay for the sake of politics. I also just really didn't like the writing and world building compared to TLA. I haven't watched it in years though, so maybe the gay stuff isn't as bad as I remember.

[@BabyGirlTiny]

@@awsomelyrandomstuff916 it is as bad, but the thing is, Is that if you like aspects of it, you won’t find it that bad

[@davidbodor1762]

Honestly I watched Korra this year and there was barely no chemistry between them shown on screen. Also something I've recently learnt - the show 6Teen had an out lesbian character way before Korra or any of the other recent shows with barely any rep aired...

[@andieallison6792]

Lumity is here because of Korrasami.

[@KanaHyoshi]

Lumity is the romantice appetizer that everyone enjoys. The side soup is Eda and King's antics. The main course is the entire story with all the secrets and twists. And the dessert is a mix of Willow's sweetness and Hunter's growing rebellious phase.

[@The6thMessenger]

I think the problem with representation is that they are trying to fill a quota instead of doing it right -- Lumity is doing it right. When you just do it for quota, often at the expense of actually fleshed out relationships, it gets associated with generally poor quality.

[@thomascochran7907]

What I love about this ship is they actually put work and effort into it, so many ships are kept to the background or offscreen. Shiro and his two no character boyfriends, Piper and the random girl she got together with after Jason died, I love Asami and Korra they deserve better than just teasing it at the end. I know the creators were hamstringed and I’m not blaming them but it still sucks.

[@paolotorres8537]

What about Adora and Catra?

[@thomascochran7907]

@@paolotorres8537 They played coy with the are they sisters or lovers thing for too long, it should have been locked down it was supposed to be romance earlier.

[@paolotorres8537]

@@thomascochran7907 they’re lovers who were raised as foster sisters.

[@thomascochran7907]

@@paolotorres8537 Yeah I know that but the show kept it vague on the direction their relationship was heading until the last season. That’s the problem, a romance needs time and effort building it up. All the the relationship beats between catra and adora could’ve also worked for a estranged sisters story except for the last season. Romance needs time dedicated to just romance.

[@johannesseyfried7933]

@@paolotorres8537 The Attraction was definitely there on Catra's Part, but I didn't really feel it on Adora's Part.

[@charlieleseman7847]

It should be said that Amity probably KNEW that the photograph of her and Willow was Willow’s actual memory of them together, and that she thought it’d be best for Willow (in some messed up way) if she just forgot about their past together. Plus, it’d probably lesson her own guilt. (I’m sure her not wanting people to know they were friends was definitely a part of it tho. But, like, she’s a straight A student, of course she knew.)

[@lumitysimp432]

Literally got into this show because my dad said, “hey there’s this new show on Disney and I think you’d rlly like it.” My dad just made my life 1000 times better. This show was what made me realize, “hey, I’m a girl who likes girls. I want what Luz and amity have.” Like bro I can’t with how much I relate to Luz it’s uncanny. From the nerdiness, gayness, appearance, ethnicity, and personality.

[@BradenBest]

One thing I really appreciate about this show is that people actually fucking, _talk_ to each other and listen. They actually use their words instead of turning every little misunderstanding into a big deal. It starts out with Amity overreacting and misunderstanding stuff and running away as per the trope, but as they get closer, that happens less and less, because Amity has the common sense and experience to look at what's going on and see Luz is going through something. So rather than assume the worst and pout over it, she asks her what her deal is. Sometimes she won't open up, but she's never stubborn about it. In any other TV relationship (*cough* steven universe *cough*), a situation like that would lead to a 3 episode "we're not talking" arc. The closest TOH gets to that trope is Luz downplaying her daddy issues for the whole episode until she saw her lack of transparency on the issue was hurting Amity. But this did not last for several episodes and was wrapped up quickly. The way TOH goes about it feels more realistic to me. This sort of thing always irritates me in shows and movies, especially when I imagine myself in the situation and it gets resolved so easily in my head by just exchanging a few words, so it's refreshing to see characters actually communicate and show some maturity.

[@hl1342]

"my only weakness: dying" gets me every time

[@emmanuelmartin7609]

I appreciate that teenage anxiety is being explored in the Owl House, especially in this adorkable relationship between Luz and Amity. I feel like it's still being hurt because of the specific subject matter that reflects parts of real life. This is not on the creators and writers; it is on the people who cut the checks. Like in Steven Universe rushing to end the show, thereby stepping over any potential for subject matter that could have been explored. Steven Universe explored subjects like emotional trauma, toxic relationships, and the damages for grieving too long or denying oneself the right to grieve at all. These subjects were shown vividly throughout the series, but the world-building, motivation behind why gems needed to expand their empire. The wasted storyline behind Jasper finding a new path or apologizing to Lapis. I feel like this is what is destined for The Owl House, especially since season 3 is just a bunch of specials. Although the hiatus is lifting soon, the fact that there was one is a real cause for alarm. Hell, part of the reason why the live-action of Mulan was butchered was that some politicians way back when had some homophobic comments about the already animated movie.

[@TheSoulArchitech]

I really like Lumity in-show, I think it's fantastic and I adore that my community finally has representation in modern day media and especially in a children's cartoon. But my _god_ it's so hard to find someone who likes literally any other aspect of the show nowadays. Like, there's so much more to TOH than _just_ Lumity and it's hell trying to find people to talk about it with. There's so many great theories and characters and worldbuilding that just gets buried under this ship. In conclusion, do I love Lumity? Yes. Do I think to many fans dismiss the series of anything except Lumity? Also yes.

[@awkwardsauceart]

gosh THANK YOU I always feel like I'm being super grumpy when I feel like this!! it's really cute and I think it's absolutely wonderful that such a popular show has a prominent gay relationship between two major characters, but during the hiatus I got a little sick of seeing so much of them when there was so much other cool stuff to focus on- I feel better now that the show's started again and I don't just have to rely on fan content, but I think I'd always find it kind of alienating because I'm aroace jsjs

[@TheSoulArchitech]

@@awkwardsauceart I'm aroaceflux so I get it! Good to know there are people who feel this way about Lumity and it's not just me being a grouch :3

[@quaxlyquixote4003]

I'm just waiting for Willow to get her episode this Saturday

[@YoItsKernal]

THANK YOOOOOU

[@rosestar1324]

Say it louder for the people in the back

[@emma_nutella58]

What I love about this ship is that the two bring out the best in each other, Luz taught amity to be herself and to love herself, Amity shows unconditional support for Luz understanding how she’s in a tough spot as she can’t go home, she always there to listen to Luz’s problems, I love this couple because they bring out the best in each other, as a bi woman who watches animes and makes amvs it makes me so happy to see this representation

[@littlebitlost547]

25:20 'Oh-woah! Do you wanna? ' I know this is a Lumity video, but Eda is so supportive, I can't-

[@peristeronic5520]

Lumity was just adorable to watch. As someone who is REALLY not into romance or couples or shipping, I absolutely adored seeing these two awkward teenagers figuring out crushing and dating for the first time in a realistic way, it was just an entertaining and incredible journey that also managed to avoid all of the cringe I usually see in awkward teen romances.

[@suisui7481]

i dont know, i really liked the gus episode it really showcased how good his magic can be and showed an important plot item (the stones that empower other 8 magics) also I felt a bit of gus x Mattholomule

[@josiahtheawkward6008]

Willow and Gus are slowly becoming the best friends Marco had in Star Vs season 1 and they never appeared again (besides that one episode in Season 4)

[@KittyOfChess]

Oh, I completely forgot about them.

[@chrisdowney427]

In light of the newest Owl House episodes being dropped since the release of this review, there are some definite developments in why Luz X Amity ship works so well. Simply put, the two of them are relationship goals. They communicate with each other, check in with each other when one is worried about what's going on with the other, and they try to get over their anxieties about being vulnerable. Follies at the Coven Day Parade showed us just that. Amity was initially suspicious that Luz was holding something back about her attempts to make a portal to the human realm. When she was presented the opportunity to go through Luz's phone for information, she's conflicted and thinks "Shouldn't I give Luz the chance to tell me herself and know that she is safe and supported when she tells me things?" So many other times in tv, this scenario would've played out where Amity searches Luz's phone for the truth, they have a big fight about it, and then they spend the next episode or two having them try to fix it. Lumity is not just a great ship for being a landmark moment for LGBTQ+ representation in tv, but also for the fact that their relationship is a healthy one.

[@nenmaster5218]

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[@NumbingDisasterAnon]

Everyone always goes on with gay this or straight that, I’m just always happy to see a cartoon relationship that isn’t stupid or toxic in anyway

[@yulee3266]

Im with you on that

[@jbrad1118]

It is an achievement to just have a cute healthy couple for wlw. Where their drama isn’t deep betrayal, but just two young teens figuring out their feelings.

[@raulvalencia8573]

It’s funny because Luz is my favorite thing about this show. One, because I love her she is amazing, but two, because it’s a character that doesn’t get depicted because it’s a risk to a large and exponentially growing audience. An Afro-Latina that isn’t overtly Catholic or religious as a whole, that also is LGBTQ+? Not to mention that she is all of that openly, unashamedly, and still loved by those close to her for it?!?! That is such insane level of risk factor of a main character, and it’s something that so many of my friends *needed* to have. It’s one of the reasons Encanto got so massive as well. The subtext of ‘We Don’t Talk About Bruno’ being a song about how Hispanics don’t talk about LGBTQ+ and keep it closeted(which Bruno lived in a closet remember) is something that gets missed by a lot of people. Luz being the adorable ball of diversity and hope she is, is genuinely my favorite character of this show, and while Amity is great, she’s not even second. Eda with her own level of trauma and fight for survival against the world takes that.

[@TheCommenterDragon]

The Lumity ship is one of the major key things i enjoy about TOH! but with this rumor going around about Luz and Amity possibly breaking up now i'm worried and hoping that it won't happen i mean after all Luz and Amity's romance had been building up since season 1 and plus they haven't even been together for very long if you think about it and a lot of people in the TOH fandom have a lot riding on their relationship so they can't just throw that away, but anyway that's just my opinion.

[@honeybun8823]

Tbh I’d actually kind of like them to break up, let me explain- their relationship felt kind of rushed so I think it would be interesting for them to realize that they rushed into it and they weren’t really ready so they break up (which would probably be prompted by whatever that emperor dude is planning) and maybe they could meet again in the future or somethin idk

[@MrWanton16]

@@honeybun8823 I mean the show did get its runtime heavily reduced so they prolly couldnt do too much about some of the relationship progression being a bit fast. That said, I do like that they ripped the bandaid off instead of dragging it out til the end. Can only take so much pining.

[@honeybun8823]

@@MrWanton16 yeah that is one of the good things

[@damkylan3]

​@@honeybun8823 That's just silly on several levels. First of all, it wasn't rushed. Other shows just don't know what good pacing is. Secondly, that idea sacrifices what makes this relationship unique and turns it into another pile of crap "we're too cowardly to show the relationship until the last two minutes" storyline that LGBT people have been getting for decades of television. And third, that's not a good reason to break up outside of a soap opera. Let's say they do go with the idea that they rushed into things... remaining in the relationship and trying to figure it out from there is far more interesting and logical than breaking up and doing the same thing, *especially* if the plan is to get them back together again anyway, which just results in them pining for each other again. That's just redundant.

[@verdurite]

@@damkylan3 facts

[@BrandonJames2016]

I remember when I saw the title of the hooty episode thinking oh it’s gonna be a filler episode no no it’s not lmao I was shocked to see all the stuff that happened and never thought Luz and Amity would get together this quick but I’m happy they did.

[@4rdency]

And here I thought I was the only one who assumed the same thing about the hooty episode 😭

[@aokaygamer8192]

The quote "eda getting laid" made me laugh so much I woke up my family

[@craz2580]

The fact that Hooty knew everything before even Luz and Amity knew should say something lol

[@thedalekditto15]

I love Luz sooooooo Much. She is awesome neurodiversity Rep, and really is someone great, who only want a good existence, but not happy. Nobody here is perfect, and she isn't a perfect goodness and isn't always great at accomplishing things, and isn't a super optimist but wants to make it better always. This type of person i love, as a combination of pure desire for good and trauma against the world. I love Amity a loooot and she is an incredible character, but to me as a person luz is more compelling.

[@zinkheroofyoutube8004]

“Luz, Eda, and Mommy” I am wheezing

[@Anonomius0]

The thing I love about lumity is that while most ships would torture you with a will they won't they situation until at the very end, here we see a natural progression into a relationship. I don't know if that's because the writers were willing to risk the moonlighting effect, or because these weren't THE main characters, or because the series was shortened, or because, dare I say it, because it was a samesex couple so there was a limit to what they could actually show onscreen, or a mixture of all the factors.

[@ensetsu]

I think a big factor as to why they're popular is also their healthy dynamic. They both make mistakes but always try to communicate and understand each other, even early on. The newest episode that recently aired showed how Amity respect's Luz's boundaries and won't invade her privacy against her will, but still tried to communicate her concerns without coming across as demanding or entitled. I just think it's so nice to see a healthy relationship displayed on tv, it's rare IN GENERAL and even more rare with LGBT

[@macthemeh]

I will always have a soft spot for lumity. My niece kept trying to get me to watch the show that was her new favorite obsession. Then when I did finally watch it and she could finally talk about it with someone, she confessed to me that watching Luz and Amity was the first time it even occurred to her that girls could like girls. And, without really saying it out loud, came out to me as bi. That was a very special moment for me. And I will always thank this show for that.

[@otimo144]

Also one of the best points was that we just find out Luz was bisexual through the story. They didn't need to sell it to us.

[@Linkbatmangosling_1]

Hey sarcastic chorus love your work,don’t always agree with it but it’s insightful to hear other opinions about my favorite cartoon ships.Anyway my question for you is if you’ll touch on The Amazing World Of Gumball ships? Like Penball,Carwin etc.

[@blaiktrout376]

I like Carwin. It’s so out of left field.

[@fansdeseriesdecalidad2979]

Psychologica/complex catradora and simple/sweet Lumity, thank you for existing. I'm glad couples like these two write well.

[@jasondphoenix]

It works because iit actually went somewhere and they didn't drag the whole thing out for several sseasons like every other show does. Even if it's rushed...it's still miles better then the constant "will they, won't they" crap we see most of the time.

[@nathanielclaw2841]

"Lesbian Draco" OMG WHY IS THIS SO ACCURATE????

[@marioaustin9312]

Can we just say mae Whitman (voice of amity) is a treasure?

[@panda7915]

yes

[@mbcommandnerd]

I came out as Bi myself after seeing the intro of S3 E1 of The Owl House! So I can pretty much thank Luz for giving me the courage to come out myself after all this time! This is one of the best shows I’ve ever watched (if not THE best!), and it will certainly be at the top of my list of favorite cartoons for a long time to come!

[@Saphirakii]

i don’t think i’ve ever fangirled so hard over for a ship ever in my life and that’s because all the lovable bits of the ship are just given to us. while it undeniably exists, we don’t *need* fanfiction to make the ship work. it’s all organic, and real, and supportive, and loving

[@MellowSquash]

Season 2 part 2 is nonstop angst, drama, comedy and mystery. If they keep this up, it'll be the best Disney show of all time

[@aruce9]

I feel it works since it bends around the plot instead of the plot bending around the ship. This is how star should’ve done starco where the relationship isn’t an essential part of the plot but complements and accentuates the plot. Also I feel lumity was established and canonized earlier than starco

[@gabybladen5803]

“They’re basically the Iidas of The Owl House” As someone who’s favourite MHA character is Iida, this hit different.

[@Devi1Admon]

While it’s questionable if we’ll get Owl House content after season 3, here’s hoping there will be a comic or light novel or two, both to give more room for Lumity to be a normal thing as well as more prominence for Willow & Gus.

[@ibee623_]

Fun fact; Disney’s first ever gay *main character* was Cyrus Goodman from Andi Mack. He actually openly came out in an episode, and gets a boyfriend in the Finale :)

[@TheDaxter11]

19:57 Hooty's face here is hilarious and terrifying at the same time and I can't stop laughing.

[@JesseGolo]

Calling Lilith Mommy is a mood most of the Owl House Fandom is familiar with.

[@sonorasgirl]

😂😂😂 Eda is a grandma aged adolescent and I LOVE her (I know she’s not actually that old and it’s just the hair from the curse but…shush, it’s more fun to think of teenage grandma 😂)

[@philly_sports1558]

I love everything about this couple and how they got together. It's so wonderfully written and so adorable at the same time.

[@duckysguidetoshipping8930]

Yesss

[@singingwithbecca]

10:06 THE MIRACULOUS SHADE HAS ME CRYING OMG 😭😭😭

[@Rain0T]

15:00 she was trying to burn herself out of Willow's memories. she knew exactly what those photos were, she just didn't realize the fire was going to burn out of control like that.

[@TheVirtualCelebrity]

Absolutely fabulous timing! Just finished rewatching Lily Orchard's video on this ship again and just needed to watch more people gush about this. My evening has been saved! 🥳🎉💕✨💫

[@Homodemon]

Ewww Lily Orchard...

[@SaKura-il8op]

Wait Lily is positive about this? She’s usually an extremely negative person.

[@pirateguy3521]

@@SaKura-il8op she once thought amity was fucking boring but now she loves her.

[@TheVirtualCelebrity]

@The one and only when I tell you I am STARVED for good quality Lumity content XD

[@TheVirtualCelebrity]

@@SaKura-il8op she's an absolute chaotic gay mess over this pairing and it's a joy to witness!

[@sadvec6328]

The only thing that bugs me is how you missed the ship name, It goes with an m, not a z

[@njivwathomassilavwe2056]

I believe when the Disney official KZbin channel posted them getting together it was titled luzity and he is making fun of it

[@sadvec6328]

@@njivwathomassilavwe2056 k then

[@lilys9860]

U usually don’t say someone’s full name in a ship name lol, so that’s why people went wit the “m” in amity’s name

[@jayeisenberg3616]

look, im straight as an arrow, but i absolutely ADORE these 2. theyre cute, funny, and the constant fawning and blushing is just too much sometimes. i really wish CN would pick this show up and make more...

[@jiado6893]

22:06 Honestly Alador is SO different from that one line he got as a memory silhouette, I legitimately think they just came up with a new character in between the seasons. Even the posture and face shape seems different.

[@skysamurai4649]

I really like them. Lumity is probably my favourite movie pair by this moment: so sweet, lovely, believable, and emotional ❤

[@safirasart]

I do like the couple and i think they're cute together and it's great rep for future gens Personally I think the fandom just makes it out to be the one and only important thing about the show, I personally am more interested in the other plot stuffs with the bbeg and all that and sometimes it feels like my dash is getting spammed with lumity over edas curse etc. Not to say that people shouldn't create that content!! I'm super glad they do again it's really cute!! Idk what the point of this comment is Uuuhhh it's for engagement! I have nothing to add

[@Pherim_]

Im straight as far i have tested it, and i never had a problem with LGBT+ couples, or any couple at all, as long as they're good written and healthy, which to be fair 90% are not... Lumity was such a fresh air, a teenager couple thats not toxic

[@420sakura1]

And formed in the middle instead of at the very end

[@itsmememeking3387]

"its ok to say gay..", not in Florida it aint. Republitrons just passed a bill where teachers cant say or refer to the concept of being gay in schools. This some literal Gilead type shit.

[@nordinreecendo512]

I love how everyone calls Eda a GILF when she's only in her 40s

[@420sakura1]

50s. She got the curse just after graduation. And she lived with it for 30 years

[@CollinMcLean]

​@@420sakura1 Although I think people in the boiling isles live for a REALLY long time so... it's hard to say...

[@theseer5]

@@420sakura1 I think she's actually 45

[@420sakura1]

@@theseer5 fair enough

[@huntress1123]

@@420sakura1no, she got the curse when she was around Luzs age, maybe a bit younger, though she did have it for 30 years.

[@jamses4532]

As a Yuri fan, getting a cannon ship sail before the story ends is almost a miracle. Great video again, and I love how you put that it's an achievement for this ship to be so popular.

[@drewinprescott5517]

This ship is the first fan ship that came true (that I know of for Disney)

[@Marshee_melo]

I'm hearing the video while drawing and when you said "five seasons of desperate [...]" I HAD to switch tabs just to make sure you were talking about miraculous love the video!!

[@Sub_Giga_Chad]

Owl house ended which is sad but the memories with it will remain in me forever

[@althealee9375]

I love Eda saying “oh, do you want to ask her out?” And then saying “then do it!” Such a supportive surrogate mama

[@Dumbledoresarmy13]

Thank whoever wrote this for writing a good LGBT relationship in a cartoon that does pretty much all the things I thought that Korra was lacking. There is no dumb love triangle/square drama here. There is chemistry. There are moments the characters have just with the two of them. They gradually get closer over repeated time spent together ON SCREEN. They do NOT magically get very close being pen pals entirely off screen between seasons and then proceed to spend basically no time together on screen following this magical transformation. And best of all we see Amity transition from rival to friend to more than friends actually quite believably as events unfold. We can understand both sides of the relationship and why it grows as they learn more about each other. Its way more fleshed out and feels planned from the start rather than an idea that the writers suddenly had in the final season.