Saruman the White - Epic Character History | Middle-Earth Lore

[@kirbymarchbarcena]

I can only say the Christopher Lee's portrayal of Saruman is the best.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Agreed! R.I.P Christopher Lee.

[@Neno281]

Sir Christopher Lee was the only one on the set of the LOTR movies that actually knew JRR Tolkien in Person. Tolkien promised Lee that he would be allowed to play Gandalf whenever the movies get filmed. By the time they started to flim the movies Lee was too old to perform Gandalf who does many fighting, riding horse and running scenes. So Lee became Saruman.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

@@Neno281 He did make for a great depiction of Saruman! He would have made an excellent Gandalf also

[@Neno281]

@@LoreOfTheRingsYT Totally agree!

[@abett6111]

Christopher Lee's style of acting was far more suited to play saruman I think. He's so good at playing rather dark sinister characters and Ian McKellen casting as Gandalf was just perfect . The scenes between the two of them are some of the best in the films.

[@NewplayerXL]

Title of the video should have been: Why did Saruman the Wise abandon reason for madness?

[@Arander92]

GAAAGH!!!

[@davidlee4712]

lol god damn it this is funny

[@kennethflores93]

He wanted the keys to Orthank

[@j-man4132]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@gm2407]

This is madness. No this is Isengard.

[@zebare726]

Sauroman discovered that his son had opened a chocolate factory, rather than wanting to work as a dentist.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Nice reference :)

[@fizzbrew]

Except that film was Shiiiit!!

[@cazhalsey8877]

@Heebie Kikeburger "ol'Toby..."

[@qdllc]

I thought he looked familiar in that movie.

[@incisivecommenter5974]

I've just realized the other reason Gandaolf helped the Dwarves recover their Homeland. It wasn't just because it was the right thing to do, it was because he knew that Smaug and all those Orcs would align with Sauron in the fight to control middle Earth. Wow, talk about strategy!

[@chandlerholloway3900]

Does absolute power corrupt absolutely? Or... Does power attract the corruptible?

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

I love this!!

[@ColbyePresents]

*The latter.*

[@infinitetroll03]

@Achilles 1776 sounds like they were not actually good men to start with

[@cyrisssmith8830]

That's a beautiful and dangerous question

[@DISTurbedwaffle918]

The latter. Many great men held immense, indisputable power and gave it up, but the existence of immense power always attracts some inferior men.

[@Agirmetal]

Friedrich Nietzsche: He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you...

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

You get it :)

[@sgtbilkothe3rd]

@@LoreOfTheRingsYT we are not corrupted Istarí!

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

@@sgtbilkothe3rd Humans are weak!

[@sgtbilkothe3rd]

@@LoreOfTheRingsYT Truth, but Helm's Deep, Black Gate, etc... we try.

[@JeffRebornNow]

Agimetal, Tolkien didn't give us much to go on when it comes to understanding why Saruman strayed from his mission to help the free peoples of Middle Earth to defeat Sauron. It was either Gandalf or Elrond (I forget which) who made the cryptic remark that Saruman "studied too closely the art of the enemy," which seems to fit in with your quote from Nietzsche.

[@justindoddy5210]

Saruman and The Amazing Techni-colour Dreamcoat.......

[@xLionsxxSmithyx]

In a mod for BFME2 game he turns into a rainbow wizard at level 10. :/ you can use him in multiplayer.

[@Mr.Sequiro]

Saruman the first to adopt RGB

[@deniboy1570]

In the books, he wears a robe which is sparkling in every colour

[@cocainelsdxtc]

he just needs a cane and a round top hat and he can become the saruman the pimp

[@differous01]

The dream-coat was the precursor of the ephod worn by Judean priests, which combined the coloured gems of the tribes in a unified whole. Saruman's dream was the opposite: "The white light can be broken" = to divide and conquer. The former was benign ("Somewhere over the rainbow") and the latter malign ("Tomorrow belongs to me").

[@gideonhorwitz9434]

When did Saruman the wise abandon reason for madness!!!

[@michaelsimkins7078]

If that's a question, it requires a question mark(?) at the end, idiot!

[@cool06alt]

@@michaelsimkins7078 if you don't notice, that's actually powerful statement before boom!! wizard battle,..idiot

[@samueltheblonde]

SARUMAN! A WIZARD SHOULD KNOW BETTER!

[@Disneyfan82]

I know, why turn your back on your mission and betray all former allies in the name of madness and evil like a fool?

[@TrangDB9]

Not so wise after all, at the end he betrayed the Valar and Iluvatar and himself because he couldn't turn back to Valinor.

[@aleksd286]

Saruman lost because he feared Sauron. He feared that Sauron's name is shorter, and is much easier to remember

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

XD

[@shoryukenxx]

Ahahaha

[@tatonghudas]

a bad move in his marketing brand lol

[@renegadusunidos6151]

truthfully yeah

[@whynottalklikeapirat]

Incidentally that's why Frodo and Sam ultimately won. Bill the pony would have too if they hadn't sent him home early on.

[@theproplady]

According to Tolkien, after Saruman's death, his spirit tried to enter the Halls of Mandos and Valinor, but Mandos told him to hit the bricks, so now Saruman wanders the world as a naked spirit forever, unable to interact with anything. He shared Sauron's dream of using the Ring to conquer the world, and in a way, shares his fate as well.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

I knew he was rejected from the halls of Mandos, but I don't remember where it is mentioned, do you remember what specific book?

[@danielhamilton351]

Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself.

[@julianmarco4185]

That is a low blow even for Saruman. He was corrupted on their mission by Sauron. He wanted to do things his way. The wizards in a lot of ways had all failed with Gandalf moving around from place to place. I doubt Saruman's sins are as bad as Sauron's who literally destroyed empires. How is Saruman any worse from all the other ring bearers who have failed to keep their own will after being exposed to it?

[@HappyFlapps]

@@julianmarco4185 Because, as a Maiar of The West, who had been commissioned by The Valar to oppose Sauron and aid the Free Peoples, Saruman willfully abandoned his duty in order to become a Power on his own. He allowed his pride to overcome his better nature, and therefore should suffer the fate of all traitors, which is the lowest rung in hell. In short, he knew better, but betrayed all those who trusted him.

[@lipsmaccin2275]

Julian Marco That was Gandalf’s job, to check on the beings of middle earth & if they came under threat by saron to unite them to resist. The unfinished tails mentioned that 5 Wizards came from the west but only one returned (Gandalf) meaning he was the only one who did what they came to do.

[@Conspiracy696]

This guy turned evil in Star Wars & lotr

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

And he were Dracula!

[@obi-wankenobi5330]

And Scaramanga with the golden gun

[@theslugboiii5969]

He wasn’t evil in Star Wars

[@nutellamonsta5602]

@@theslugboiii5969 he was, he played Count Dooku who was a former jedi.

[@theslugboiii5969]

@@nutellamonsta5602 he wasn't evil though

[@guyfredericks3018]

I recall Gandalf saying in the movie 'There is only One Lord of the Ring, and he does not share power'.

[@LeglessWonder]

Yea. Tolkien said the same thing basically, in a note if memory serves. Basically no matter what, the One Ring will fight to get back to Sauron. He worded it much more eloquently than I could tho

[@PeterSellers22]

The films do him a severe injustice, Galadriel calls him Sauron's puppet at one stage if I'm not mistaken. The books make it abundantly clear that it is a race between Sauron and he to obtain the ring and use it to conquer all

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

I agree!

[@Thumbdumpandthebumpchump]

I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. I just finished "the taming of Gollum" an hour ago, so it's rather fresh in my memory. It's made clear that Saruman bit off FAR more than he could chew, and even when Sauron suspects that Saruman got the Ring, he seems to believe he's in control of the situation, as does Gandalf. While early on, their speculations about the Threat Isengaurd posed to Mordor implied the race you mention, by Isengaurd's defeat at the hands of the Ents, everyone seems to believe he was the one being manipulated all along. This passage says it all really. "A strong place and wonderful was Isengard, and long it had been beautiful; and there great lords had dwelt, the wardens of Gondor upon the West, and wise men that watched the stars. But Saruman had slowly shaped it to his shifting purposes, and made it better, as he thought, being deceived - for all those arts and subtle devices for which he forsook his former wisdom, and which fondly he imagined were his own, came but from Mordor; so that what he made was naught, only a little copy, a child's model or a slave's flattery, of that vast fortress, armoury prison, furnace of great power, Barad-dûr, The Dark Tower, which suffered no rival, and laughed at flattery, biding it's time, secure in its pride and its immeasurable strength." ― The Two Towers, The Road to Isengard

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

@@Thumbdumpandthebumpchump As much as I agree upon this, what if Saruman had conquered the Ring: Tolkien did in one of his letters mention that only Gandalf the White could have faced Sauron with the One Ring. Not even Aragorn or Galadriel could have withstood this challenge. Gandalf the white, would that include Saruman the white? As he was of similar strength per se, but not entirely. It might be that even Saruman could not control the ring. If however was so, then it really was a race.

[@Walangord]

Could it be Galadriel's incorrect perception of Saruman? Maybe she is unaware of his true intentions and due to his Uruk hai's and all that she may have thought that he simply switched sides and now serving Sauron?

[@randybrown1801]

This was the impression I got after reading the books as well. I need to read the War of the Ring for more context.

[@QuannanHade]

I would not agree that Saruman is a Satan-like character, but rather a warning to not use the tools of evil to fight evil. There is a long tradition of characters like this, essentially a warning of "Do not try to understand the heathen, least ye become it in truth."

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

I agree, in afterthought, I have come to the conclusion that it was a stupid saying. I agree wholeheartedly with you!

[@firetarrasque4667]

I might travel a little bit deeper into that path, actually. It's not just attempting to understand your foe. Tolkien wasn't a big fan of truly and fundamentally evil characters, one of his regrets was that he didn't make the orcs more sympathetic, not to make Sauron less "evil", but because he just wasn't a big fan of an entirely sapient and uniformly evil people. I think what it means by "Studying the art of the enemy" is a focus on power. After all, Saruman was the most powerful of the Istari, and studied deeply into the enemy's arts. Remember also that Sauron's great fear was not that the ring would be destroyed, but that it would be used against him. Remember also that Boromir's temptation was not towards evil actions, but towards the use of the Ring and the power it represents to fight against Sauron. I see Saruman as a similiar character to Boromir, in that way, but without redemption. His aims were pure, at least at first, but his pursuit of power, even if that power was as an ends to defeat Sauron, was what lead to his corruption. In the end, Sauron was stopped not through superior force of arms, but through loyalty, humbleness, self-sacrifice, and mercy. Tl;dr, I don't disagree with your premise, but I'd go further and put forward that the tool of the enemy in this context is physical might itself.

[@Geburtswehe]

der Zweck Heiligtum nicht die Mittel

[@Irishcloth]

He's not really. If you're familiar with the Bible, I'd say tread lightly on the comparisons since The Bible is true and Tolkien's world is just to enjoy :) So the wizards are basically angel like creatures.

[@krugerstan]

@@Irishcloth bible fake af brah.

[@kaybee4034]

Saruman was powerful, but Gandalf was the wiser. Gandalf understood that the one ring “to rule them all” would never serve another, but Saruman believed he could wield it. His desire for the powerful ring was his downfall, as we saw others fall in the desire for the ring such as Smeagol (Gollom), and Boromir.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

I agree wholeheartedly!

[@johnstevens386]

Isildur too

[@kaybee4034]

john stevens that’s right!

[@wellan1234]

you're right but don't forget adding isildur (and the nazgul who were corrupted by their own rings)

[@ErikDayne]

That’s one of the most important enchantments of the one ring. It plays on people’s lust for power by convincing them that they can use the ring for their own ends. But the truly wise like Aragorn and Gandalf understand that the ring only has one master and it will always prevail in the end.

[@pedropierre9594]

Saruman fell because of fear, fear that Sauron would dominate middle earth, in contrast ready Gandalf is a symbol of hope, never overlooking the strength of each of middle earths races.

[@gordongordon1935]

Didn't he overlook the strength of the Easterlings? :P

[@dereka4816]

Actually it was Gandalf who had fear. Manwe asked him to join the Istari in middle earth and he was reluctant. When asked why, he told Manwe its because he was afraid then Manwe said that made it more of a reason for him to go.

[@MrBigCookieCrumble]

@@dereka4816 Exactly! Gandalf feared his own downfall and turn to evil, and that fear kept him on the right path. He was a humble person who didnt think he had the skill or power to overcome Sauron, but in the end he was the one Istari who actually did that! Saruman in contrast was PROUD!

[@alexandercarder2281]

Actually the cancel of Elrond clearly reveals why Saruman fell. Elrond said “It is perilous to study to deeply the arts of the enemy, for good or for Ill” in studying the arts of Sauron to deeply he turned from being his enemy to becoming his rival. And as he learned more of the enemy he stated to agree with his philosophy and began to lust for the same power and dominion. A good lesson for all of us really.

[@brianmayabella5992]

Saruman sought power hi.self

[@Scarecrow545]

Saruman wasn't interested in Ring-lore, he was categorically obsessed with it, and was the undisputed master of it by the time of the War of the Ring (barring those who had participated in their creation, i.e. the Elves and Sauron himself). He was not unlike a scientist who, through exposure to whatever disease they are trying to cure, end up contracting that very disease. Like some research scientists of today, he was very much detached from the real world and dealing entirely with abstractions. Instead of mentally living in an ivory tower, he literally resided in the impregnable tower of Orthanc. This is in stark contrast to Gandalf, who was much more of a field operative. Saruman likely thought of himself as the ultimate realist, seeking to fight fire with fire.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Good reflection!

[@DM-bv9uh]

Lol enlight of Corona Virus this comment aged well.

[@veralenora7368]

The means create the ends. Not, the other way 'round.

[@christopherjcarson]

What a thoughtful comment!

[@ronniemaclaine5234]

@@veralenora7368 I have always believed this to be true that's why I never believed in the saying the ends justify the means because the means and what you tried to make the end changes the end it's like trying to end up in the north by going east

[@whhunt4349]

Auto-generated captions 3:23 “ninety-one years later, Gandalf enters Dumbledore and discovers that Sodom is its lord.”

[@ElroyMF1]

Lolol 😂😂😂

[@hiu414]

Accurate

[@vicapple6663]

If it's in the cc it's cannon

[@mena94x3]

That explains so much!!

[@souravchawla7520]

It’s alright

[@mikeblank6509]

My head canon is that Saruman pointed out that their names sound similar and they just became bros after.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

As for many :)

[@d.aardent9382]

Yah, i always wondered way back when first reading the stories why Saruman and Sauron sounded so similar but then I read a couple of days ago on a website that Sauron was originally named Mairon which meant "the admirable" but the Eldar later after his first treacheries called him Sauron as it was changing his original name in a rhyme mockery to "the abominable" or "the abhorred" also. The Sindar elves called him Gorthaur the Cruel, gorthaur meaning " the dread abomination". Mairon was a good and incorrupt Maia originally but desired order and perfection so much he became infatuated with Melkor's beliefs about change and control as he wanted things to happen faster and he wanted to dominate creatures and manipulate them more. The statement that he desired "order and perfection " doesnt seem to match up with his actions of instigating chaos and destruction and desecration of everything made by the other Valar and trying to corrupt and mislead as many of the first Humans and Elves as he could at every opportunity. It was more like he was just against any aspect of Valarian creation that wasnt Melkor's. He just became like a programmed mental clone as a slighter version of Melkor.

[@LordMortanius]

@@d.aardent9382 Sauron's actions are consistent with his goals. The elves he was willing to allow as puppet kings via the Rings until he realized that Celebrimbor forged more outside his influence; the Numenoreans earned his ire (and those Numenoreans he had corrupted would later set up their own empires that he enfolded into Mordor) and so he planned their demise; the Nazgul would later spend their time working to topple Sauron's rival kingdoms while preparing the East for his return; and he planned on lawful governance of the West under his boot. Even his armies are disciplined and regulated; his minions have serial numbers and the Mordorian armies had competent leaders. He's so lawful and orderly that he had absolute mental control over his troops.

[@pellejons2929]

None can stand against the might of Sauronman

[@mehitablestorm8877]

@@d.aardent9382 Many will deliberately bring chaos & disorder so they can destroy the present system that exists (whatever it is) to bring about THEIR OWN vision of order and perfection. Most ideological dictators seem to have visions of order & perfection but they have to destroy the old first to try to attain them.

[@bryanx5829]

Christopher Lee is awesome.

[@magajimusaikara2747]

What i don' t understand is that who is Sauron himself is he human or Jinn ? And what is the role of Saruman compared to Saruman .

[@sharangcool]

@@magajimusaikara2747 too long to explain, watch a video about it

[@moodyowlproductions4287]

@@magajimusaikara2747 Marta

[@Takaho31]

" Saruman was not Evil ; ..he was impatient. " He's always been my favorite character & I'd say that's an excellent way of putting it. Thank you for this series, it is a very welcome distraction from all the madness in the world right now.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Wise words! I really love Saruman too!

[@ParanaHueTv]

If you enable Closed Caption, you can see that Gandalf was scheming something... 3:36 "Gandalf wants to attack Dumbledore"

[@xMrJanuaryx]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[@vanillajack5925]

...and skulls.

[@keizoxd5623]

and Blood for the Blood God

[@vanillajack5925]

@@keizoxd5623 well, yeah, that goes without saying...

[@sturlaorarson4411]

His intenson faild. He lost sight of what is right. Out of fear.

[@aaronstark5060]

Say farewell, we may never meet again...

[@Alexrider02]

I always just figured it was a, "Die young or live long enough to see yourself become the villain" kind of thing. Like he finally came to the conclusion after trying to fight Sauron for so long that the only way to ensure the unending safety of Middle-Earth would be for a powerful and benign dictator to rule it. Changing the terms of victory from something that must have seemed impossible, overcoming Morgoth and Sauron's corrupting wills, to something that seemed difficult but accomplishable, like conquering Middle-Earth.

[@Jinisinsane]

Saruman RGB gaming wizard.

[@blackwintergaming4609]

Omg

[@ghaine12]

THEY'RE TAKING THE HOBBITS TO ISENGARD!

[@animej00y]

TO ISENGARD! ISENGARD!

[@HistoryGarden]

30,988,667 views lol

[@iasimov5960]

What did you say?

[@montecarlo1651]

The salted pork is particularly good

[@VikingMale]

Hahahaha

[@kennethv5250]

he looked into the palantir way too much, thought he was strong enough to have a stare down against sauron and sauron gradually turned him. the palantir were originally meant for the numenorians to use for long distance calls. sauron corrupted them and anyone who looked into them were suborned by sauron. a scene they never showed in the movie is the part where aragorn has a mental fight against sauron thru the palantir of orcanth (sp?) and aragorn wrests back control of one of the palantir. meaning that only the true king of numenor can fully control and have the mental strength to use the palantir and wrest it from sauron

[@montecarlo1651]

Spot on. By controlling the palantir, Sauron is able to suborn both the Steward of Gondor and Saruman. With the Steward, he induces despair by revealing the size of his armies. The situation with Saruman is more complex for there is genuine fear in Sauron that Saruman may have found the ring. This is why Pippin's looking into the Palantir is so important (not to mention Saruman's reaction when Wormtongue throws it out of Orthanc). Pippin's looking into the stone suggests to Sauron that Saruman is indicating that he now controls the ring. Inded, right through to the final moments when before the ring is destroyed, Sauron believes his enemies are going to use the ring against him. Initially he suspects Saruman, later he thinks it is Aragorn.

[@AtTheEnd1000]

So Aragon was way stronger then he appears in the movies

[@montecarlo1651]

Yes, Gondor isn't just another kingdom in Middle Earth, the kingship of Gondor is held by the last of the Numenoreans, a higher race of men than other men in ME and though Numenour 'fell' and was reduced, enough blood flows in Aragorn's veins from the high kings of old to make him not what he appears.

[@kennethv5250]

@@AtTheEnd1000 absolutely. have you ever read the books?? if not do so, they paint a different look for aragorn

[@AtTheEnd1000]

@@kennethv5250 didnt read it. Very hard book to read with that strange language

[@ΧρήστοςΠαπαδημητρίου-μ6π]

You should have included that as he died, a wind came from the West and scattered his spirit

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Agreed. There's just not room for all the details, for Tolkien had many details!

[@Brentisimo]

Correct. It was a representation of how the Valar rejected Saruman’s spirit and would not let him return to Valinor.

[@uriel7203]

Whats with Christopher Lee and building armies?

[@kingragnork]

Hmm? Jedi Master Syfo Dias paid for the Clone Army to be built since the council refused to listen to his future predilections. The council could've prevented the rise of Palpatine had they just listened to the man. They were so clouded by the dark side that they felt no presence at all and assumed them extinct, despite literally having built their temple upon a dark side shrine.

[@MarkoDarkoYT]

But what about the droid attack on the Hobbits?

[@mehitablestorm8877]

He got sick of working alone as Dracula.

[@timwise300]

I found the story of Saruman so sad and so wasteful. I have long imagined what could have been if Saruman had laid down his pride and sought redemption. What a magnificent story that could have been! Alas! His whole life is reduced to a cautionary tale.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Indeed! He fell long and hard

[@daveperryman291]

Therefore, consider yourself cautioned

[@skipper4126]

Bad Boys get the girls, let's be honest, that tower gets awful lonely. Gandalf was at least out and about indulging in such curiosities like hobbit rings and pipe weed and fire works. Saruman grew envious of Gandalfs out going nature even Radaghast had the animals of the forest.. and so flipped the script, change his life around. Now it didn't work out mind you but it was worth a try.

[@greglott4977]

I pretty much hate everything you said. Not so much WHAT you said, but how you said it. Kinda like a surfer guy saying "gnarly" or "tubular".

[@JohannGinpachi]

3:24 Gandalf enters Dumbledore and discovers that sodom is its lord. LMAO

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

That's the best find to date!

[@ARedGinger]

The internet is great.

[@DISTurbedwaffle918]

According to JK Rowling, Sodom is in fact Dumbledore's lord.

[@jaymcdude1291]

That was a great overview of Saruman. Great job! And thank you, for telling all these great stories from Tolkien lore. I really do appreciate revisiting Middle Earth, through these videos.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Thanks for your positive feedback!

[@carmeloanthony6424]

I think there’s clearly some kind of theological point in the fact that Aulë’s Maia seem to be the ones most drawn to wrongdoing. It’s their love of, and in a lot of cases, lust for the things of the earth, the now, the corporeal, of their own making, that ultimately lead them astray. I wonder if Kemantari was what balances that impulse out in Aulë himself?

[@ErikDayne]

It’s not unlike the Jedi actually. They forbid attachments because the fear of loss was a path to the dark side. In middle Earth it seems the craftsmen were susceptible to fear of losing that which they created, and arrogance and pride over their ability to create.

[@jaeyoonkim4663]

"We must join with him, Obi-Wan! We must join with Darth Sidious!" But in all seriousness, Saruman and Dooku are quite similar. They believed that the sides they formerly aligned with were failing, and they joined evil. Not to mention their actors are the same.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Certainly they are alike! What an actor!

[@galerinha]

Hmm .. sound like Italian way of war

[@havardmj]

Saruman at the end of the Hobbit: Leave Sauron to me. Saruman at the start of LotR: We must surrender immediately.

[@edwardhanson3664]

Interesting interpretation of Saruman's character, but I never trusted Saruman, even early on.

[@maiaspiritolorin1900]

such a shame to see someone so powerful/respected and complex fall into Sauron's grasp.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Truly! A majestic fall.

[@bernardhargreaves9009]

Behold, the mighty "Conscience". The true power of humanity. United to be a better civilization by value of life. Not control of it. That's what I get out of this story. Its beautiful in every way.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

@@bernardhargreaves9009 That's why Tolkien is so popular: his works work in the subconscious, in multiple ways that few can even understand. His works are a masterpiece

[@richardroopnarine870]

Ironically the same happened to Saurun when he was corrupted by Morgoth, the true dark lord

[@TheBayzent]

Way better men fell to Sauron, for way flimsier reasons. Ar-Pharazon comes to mind.

[@Hollywoohorse]

Saruman is my favorite character! Great video! Very informative!

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Thank you! Saruman is an abundant character, and way more interesting than most people think he is!

[@bobandchriscooling1681]

Thank you for your very thorough commentary on Saruman. You are correct in saying that Saruman , if he had obtained and used the One Ring, would have supplanted Sauron as the Dark Lord of Middle Earth. This is why Gandalf refused the One Ring and why Galadriel also refused it when Frodo offered it to her in Lothlorien. Unlike Suraman, they were wise enough to know that the use of evil means and methods to obtain good results always fails and leaves matters worse instead of better.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Thank you for an awesome comment!

[@arshsingh1984]

When the wind blows against Saruman from the West, that's him being rejected from the Halls of Mandos. He's banished for eternity (or Ragnarok)

[@unbelievablytrash9458]

Saruman was always my favorite character. He was an unparalleled wizard with nigh boundless knowledge and wisdom, but fell from grace because of his pride and jealousy.

[@jesseleeward2359]

I can't believe he ended up bullyinga village of Hobbits and that skinny man Wormtongue in his final years. I was so surprised when I heard about this and can see why it was omitted from the film. A powerful wizard in a tower antagonizing little people in a little village.

[@michaelmorgan150]

Saruman the Colorful, or as gamers would call him "Saruman the RGB"

[@codyjos393]

Wouldn't it be CMYK though?

[@madestmadhatter]

Question: How did Sauromon become corrupted? Answer: He was always tainted, but specifically he submitted to Sauron after touching the pretty rock, losing a battle of wills, and becoming fabulous!

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Indeed!

[@dustgreylynx]

I think Saruman felt that the time of ELves and dwarves was coming to an end, and he thought that the orcs time comes, but in fact it was the humans

[@inkedg0d579]

In another word the dwarfs are humans and humans are dwarfs

[@inkedg0d579]

@johnny ember only few will understand my comment, because even me i really don't get it at the first 😂

[@TheBayzent]

The time of humans was already there since the end of the Second Era, the Third Age wasn't even their Zenith. Dwarves had lost over half their halls and were very slowly reclaiming them, suggesting a comeback, but it will take time. Elves hadn't been in the spotlight for pretty much an era and a half by then, mostly because they never really cared for it, only taking the lead because otherwise Morgoth would extend his influence everywhere.

[@midnaurthqua6773]

Wisdom is like a diamond, lit up with a brilliant shine. But try to sprout a seed in its light..... Gandalf knew the light of the sun, by which light seeds do sprout and he balanced the two kinds of light within himself. Gandalf saw the seeds of life and courage in the smallest of beings. Saruman put his faith in just the light of wisdom, thus weakening true knowledge. His centre of gravity was off.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Poetically put! Very well

[@BucketThinkTank14657Nerd]

I think in part Sarumon’s pride got in the way too. The fact that he never let go of the fact that Galadriel and others wanted Gandalf in charge of the councils over him despite being stronger and wiser.

[@josephbenson4413]

Well... he was a, for lack of a better term, a co-worker of Sauron. They had similar minds. Basically... he fell for the same reasons.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Evil grows evil... Well put!

[@jacobfreeman5444]

Well, Sauron fell because he agreed with his own boss and followed him loyally. Saruman fell because he was a jealous twit. So they actually fell for different reasons. Sauron just used the mental weakness that Saruman had to convince him that being coworkers was a good idea. Except that Saruman remained a damned backstabber.

[@DISTurbedwaffle918]

@@jacobfreeman5444 I think he was referring to how both Sauron and Saruman were Maiar of Aulë.

[@rickiechristine]

I always felt. That Anyone that dwells on the ring in thought on the ring became corrupted. You did not have to touch it or even see it for this to happen. This is seen by the actions of Borameir and others. The ring has the uncanny ability to be found. The strength in influence on the individual is this some persons internal weaknesses close proximity. That is why golem. Came to posses it. And why the hobbits had the greatest strength resist power. Sarah I’m on the welts on the rings for so long that it had an accumulative effect on him bending him to the will.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Well spoken!

[@tfsheahan2265]

There is the old quip, "Absolute Power corrupts absolutely."

[@Mcelly58]

I’m gonna say this that quip is all BS because you can have power and it doesn’t have to corrupt you.

[@chris1sa]

I was going to say that

[@Infoaddicts91]

@@Mcelly58 absolute power does. Always!

[@Mcelly58]

@@Infoaddicts91 does it though?

[@Infoaddicts91]

@@Mcelly58 do you have an example where it didn't?

[@justinwilliams5253]

Damn I wished we got a scene of the ringwraights showing up at isengaurd in fellowship.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

It would have been epic, but it would not fit Jacksons narrative

[@jameshannigan2771]

Thank you. I've always been baffled by noone ever had a comprehensive explanation as to why he turned. You did an amazing analysis and helped me to understand bc in the movie he appears to work for Sauron with not much explanation 😇

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Thanks for your kind feedback! Glad to share Tolkiens knowledge!

[@somedandy7694]

Saruman turned evil because he gazed into the Palantir and saw the future: a future where a weird little man made a cartoon that referred to him a Aruman!

[@Katakuri]

Saruman any % world record history

[@jolttsp]

Was looking for this comment

[@srami004]

Thank you for adding some much needed depth to this character.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

He is so underrated!

[@nickieb2636]

It's hard for me to imagine Orthanc ever being a good place! It looks evil! (probably because I know about Saruman's betrayel)

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

It was built by the faithful which is indeed a time far off!

[@KKKuma]

4:07 Saruman is now eager to attack Dumbledore to prevent Sauron to from finding out the one ring. So Dumbledore also has the one ring. It makes sense why he doesn't need the invisible cloak

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Those translations is op

[@egyptian316]

From a storytelling perspective, Saruman's turn to evil showed that simply being wise and powerful wasn't enough to protect you from the call of the One Ring.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Well spoken :)

[@thegreatwanderer2023]

Great video! Saruman is my favourite villain of J.R.R. Tolkien's legendarium. He sought, by terrible means, to become Sauron's servant alone or perhaps gain the One Ring for himself. Though he offers Gandalf the Grey the choice to join him and try to master the One Ring, I doubt he would share power with him. Let us not forget that Saruman had long envied Gandalf, that being one of the reasons for his descent into evil besides his lust for dominion and being enticed by Sauron. Gandalf notes that only "one hand at a time can wield" the One. Saruman would undoubtedly have tried to master it for himself and try to submit the Grey Pilgrim to his will. However, Saruman played a too dangerous game by cheating his master, Sauron, as well as betraying Gandalf (he should have known better than to play with a Power like Sauron; he should have remained supportive to Mordor or accepted to hand over information to the Free Peoples after the Battle at the Hornnurg). His list of allies grew thin and he quickly lost his master's trust. I doubt the Dark Lord would have killed him though. He seemed content with punishing him by handing over Isengard to the Mouth of Sauron and having him robbed of free will (enslaving the wizard ). Saruman had been a useful "puppet" (sometimes intentionally and sometimes unwittingly) after all in keeping Rohan busy for a while, leaving Gondor to fend for itself against the armies from Mordor. Had Sauron won, I think Saruman would have tried to disguise his attempt to covet the Ring, tried to justify that his allegiance was genuine and beg for forgiveness. And it is my belief that the Dark Lord would have spared him, for he had been a means to achieve some ends and had served him well. It would be difficult, but I am certain Saruman would find a way to rise ever higher in Sauron's favor some way or another with a scheming mind such as his. And it would amuse the Lord of the Dark to see to how great lengths the disgraced Wizard would go to please him.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

I find your points very valid and convincing, you have truly understood Saruman! Sorry for not responding before this moment, but for whatever reason, your comment was marked as spam by KZbin. Being robbed of free will would have been one of the worst punishments for Saruman, as he was power-hungry. It would surely be a terrible punishment.

[@helloweasel1295]

The auto-generated English subtitles are hilarious.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Yup :P Some people suddenly found Dumbledore in my Gandalf vs Balrog video lol!

[@AFaithMove]

I’m sure to a certain extent it was how it was depicted in the Film. Language and word and meaning translates differently into action and film vs story and word. I think Jackson did a wonderful job. And in no way was his depiction of it “wrong” that’s why the author left it up to the readers imagination to shape an ever changing evolving world.

[@jacobhimes3273]

Damn he can control treebeard and the nazgul thats amazing he was always my favorite character but i never knew that! 😍

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

He couldn't entirely control them, but at least persuade them. His voice was extremely powerful when the Rohirrim came to negotiate with him after the entish victory.

[@jacobhimes3273]

@@LoreOfTheRingsYT that is freakin amazing man i loved the video ❤ are there details as to what makes his voice so strong or what he actually said to treebeard the nazgul and the rohirrim

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

He is a powerful maia from the west. Saruman really is an exception from the other characters in Tolkiens legendarium.

[@unbelievablytrash9458]

@@jacobhimes3273 The books say that the very sound of his voice is an enchantment. Although, it was stated that after abandoning his purpose and being defeated, his voice was less powerful than what it was when he was Saruman the White.

[@sultainious]

Dude the intro music is fkn LIT af with saruman and everything 🔥 liked and subscribed! 🧙🏻‍♂️😎

[@greenktoo]

Saruman's spirit lingered over the shire, troubled. Something is missing he muses to himself. He needs a change of scenery. He looks up at the stars. I will go there he decides. So he traveled to a galaxy far far away and became a sith lord.. He liked it for a time but he was Still unsatisfied. Killing millions gets tedious. He decided he wanted out and after a hundred years or so he allowed himself to be defeated. He traveled back to Earth, depressed, longing for something more. He took different roles throughout history.. He became Dracula for a time, he even tried being a good guy once and helped Sherlock Holmes, it didn't work out.. he went back to being evil and fought James bond, but it all still left him feeling empty. He eventually found himself in england, he took the form of the familiar old man, wandering the country side. He met a lady near London fell in love and settled down. She gave him a son. They named him willy. She made him happy for a season but She passed away soon after, Leaving him all alone to raise their son. ( Saruman is seen wearing an apron, a crying baby in one-arm and a book in the other. ) He could never get enough of books. He discovered dentistry from one such book. His eyebrows rose in excitement. A huge smile appeared on his face. I can do this! He thought. He studied it and became quite good at it. He practiced on willy, giving him braces. Saruaman soon wanted to open a dentist office. He hadn't been this excited about something in thousands of years. Meanwhile, Willy had became a teenager, obsessed with candy, how to make it, different flavors etc. One day Willy was helping with the move to the new office when He accidentally discovered his dad's past from some papers and items in a old chest. It tumbled over and it's contents fell out. Maps of Middle earth, drawings of the ring of power, the death star, Dracula's castle with hundreds of people impaled on spikes and a strange flashlight handle looking thing, were all in it. He read the papers in horrified shock. He confronted saruman with the evidence. He didn't deny it. Willy left home angry and traveled the world, seeking his own way and the secrets to candy. A few years have passed. Saruman had found his true calling in dentistry but customers were few and far between. Business was slow. His boredom soon caused his thoughts to return to world conquest. He grew bitter. He dug out his old books and robes, reminiscing. He yearned for the old days, killing millions. He found his old light saber in the chest and activated it. He also spotted his old staff.. He smiled. The sound of the lightsaber was soothing and the feel of the staff comforting. He then fought imaginary battles in the bedroom with them. Swinging them this way and that. Ahhh, The good old days he said aloud, At least that was something I could do. It is settled then. I will take this world back. He deactivated the light saber and put the staff back in the corner. Willy came back home at this point. Saruman was very happy to see him and they embraced.. he put aside his plans for world conquest, FOR NOW, to repair he and his son's relationship. Willy had already forgiven his dad after seeing how horrible the world truly was, but he didn't want to see it destroyed or conquered by his father. He had a plan. Willy had discovered candy making in his world travels and all the secrets of making wonderful flavors from candy masters from all over the world, his candy was also magical.. he had his fathers blood after all.. He got a loan from the local bank, and opened a small candy factory. You see, candy making is not only for himself, but to help keep his dads cravings for world conquest in check also. The candy factory soon took off, he repaid the loan, and added more and more buildings. He hired oompa loompas to help take some of the work load off him. By this point the factory covered several city blocks. It was huge, with all kinds of magical passageways inside. You may be surprised to learn that willy also supplies a very special line of candy to honeydukes. Willy now keeps saruman supplied with an endless host of patients. It helps keep saruman busy and his mind off his appetites for destruction. Saruman is quite satisfied with life now. He even whistles while he works ( above his patients screams when he is pulling teeth of course ) He will never again trouble our Earth, middle Earth, or any other galaxies far far away.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

This was real good! Thank you!

[@aidenharper6013]

Willy didn't find the papers by accident. After all he is a candy wizard, and a wizard arrives precisely when he means to.

[@brianvermeulen558]

Nicely written, worth the reading and well tied together. Thanks for posting!!

[@thronesofwar4275]

I am so very very glad someone's out here preaching the Tolkien with relatable clips and stuff to people who have only experienced PJ's movies. It's good for people to know the origin of things. I understand that LOTR and the Silmarillion and similar are a bit hardcore works for some people. so It's awesome that someone's out here putting up this kinda thing to garner interest and show that there's a lot more history and interest in the original material

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Lovely to hear that :)

[@thronesofwar4275]

@@LoreOfTheRingsYT Keep up the awesome work! I'm enjoying a lot of what I'm seeing on this channel, and it's clear you've delved deeper into the lore than just the base Silmarillion and Lord of the Rings, which is just wonderful! I'm a big fan of Tolkiens stuff and have been very disappointed with a lot of the adaptation stuff that goes on, so you're really a breath of fresh air.

[@jacobkachel7202]

A thrilling video! Great work! Saruman really is a complex character, whom I’ve always struggled to understand, so this helped a lot! Moreover I really fancied the end, when you explain that Saruman actually returned to the Shire and that it led to The Battle of Bywater..!. I did not know that. Can you maybe make a video covering it?:)

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Thanks my friend, I will highly consider it!

[@justintrites1699]

You’ve never read the books? You gotta get on that my friend😉

[@Xbow61]

Read the books...

[@jacobkachel7202]

Yes! After watching all the videos on this channel I understand that I have to read the books! Will do it in the summer!:)))

[@TheProfessordank]

“Fear is the path to the dark side…fear leads to anger… anger leads to hate… hate leads to suffering.”

[@j-man4132]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@everybodyloveschris7734]

He is and has been my favorite bad guy in The Lord of the Rings since I was a kid.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

He is truly epic!

[@Ralphieboy]

The Scouring of the Shire was hinted at in the film version in the form of visions seen by Frodo in the pool of Galadriel, but was just too much to tack on the end after the Ring had already been destroyed.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Yup, the build up would not allow for such!

[@Ralphieboy]

as I understand, it was seen as rather post-climactic: Middle Earth had already been saved and they needed to wrap things up.

[@JeffRebornNow]

I am not sure, Paul. I think I disagree. Galadriel says specifically to Frodo, "This is what shall come to pass if you do not succeed." He did succeed. And in those mirror images Frodo sees members of the fellowship (specifically Sam) in chains and being whipped. This does not happen in The Scouring of the Shire. Also, Jackson had already decided on another ending for Saruman. He has Grimma Wormtongue stab him and he falls off the tower of Orthanc and is impaled on the spoke of a wheel.

[@tmmaco3239]

Besides he was so arrogant he thought he was incorruptible and that he could never be wrong.

[@blairbuskirk5460]

The palantiri played a major part in Saruman's corruption. He came into possession of it when he occupied Orthanc. It was like a cancer slow at first then accelerating as it became more pervasive within in him.

[@AyeshSilva-e7e]

Instead of Dark what if he became Black and Samuel L. Jackson? Gandalf:- When did Saruman the Wise Abandon reason for Madness? Black Saruman:- Common Sense MF Do you use it?

[@Jackw00pw00p2]

*Thinks of Samuel L Jackson in general* Me: "Do not let him speak. He will put a spell on us."

[@QRius-ce8qx]

I just recall summoning salt's video with the sound track

[@Krvsrnko]

Wow with this music I feel I've got speedrun'd through LOTR role

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Glad to hear! Thanks for the feedback!

[@alexcaruso]

Actually.. I think it's pretty clear that there were two reasons for Saurama's fall. First was that the power of the ring was such that even to desire it had the power to corrupt the will. Second and most importantly, the Palantir - Saruman suffered the same fate as Denethor. Because Sauron had control of the seeing stones, it allowed him to corrupt the will of lesser beings who sought to use them. Or, as Gandalf said - "The hawk beneath the eagles claw" (or something to that effect :)

[@jacobfreeman5444]

Well, technically Saurman wasn't lesser to Sauron. They were of equal rank. But they each had spiritual powers unique to them. Sauron's was literally to sway others. His domination was just the most logical extreme he could take it. And he had an in to Saruman's mind. That jealousy Saruman had for Gandalf. So when they connected via the seeing stones Sauron had the means to use his power to convince Saruman that he should act on his desires. He could't completely dominate Saruman, but he could pervert him to following a parallel course. And if Saruman had obtained the ring he would have completely overthrone Sauron. But at the cost of beimg perverted into being just like him.

[@andy.hello.6602]

He had an eyephone pilantir stone

[@GenomePresents]

Very entertaining breakdown of my favorite LotR character. Saruman could be such an ambiguous character (at least early on), and is not nearly as cut-and-dry as many fantasy tropes. I also wanted to say that it very refreshing to see a creator respond to so many comments. Keep up the great work!!!

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Thank you Mr! Glad to hear that you liked the video! It's important to speak with those who shows interest!

[@JeffRebornNow]

Genome, Lore is always polite with his viewers; he likes corresponding with them. Even when their interpretations are not always clear, Lore is still nice.

[@GenomePresents]

@@JeffRebornNow Yeah, I noticed that and it was one of the main reasons that I commented. I have seen a lot of creators with really, really low subs and very few comments still not answer people, so it is nice to see a creator with a lot of subs take the time to answer pretty much every commenter. It is especially cool to see it on a video with so many comments. It shows that he truly cares for his audience. Plus, he seems super-positive which is nice as well! As a content creator myself, I notice stuff like this and give kudos where it's due.

[@ernestschroeder9762]

I'm sure I read in one of the books that saruman and sauron were both followers of the creative angel (think his name was aule and he made the dwarves).

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

That's correct! Aulë the Smith, a great craftsmen.

[@bashsibda6289]

Lore of Middle-Earth That makes more sense now why he could align himself with Sauron. They were angels from the same House.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

@@bashsibda6289 It doesn't really have anything to do with that in my opinion. It was more that Saruman let himself get corrupted by Sauron and his desire for the One Ring. However it does raise questions that they both were under Aulë.

[@ernestschroeder9762]

@@LoreOfTheRingsYT I think there is more to it. The valar and maiar are created by eru first. The maiar being lesser beings cling to particular valar. This is all before middle earth is existant. Therefore it's quite likely that saruman would have known of sauron (and possibly even known him personally) before. Why is he made leader of the istari? Could he possibly have more knowledge of sauron's mind. Also Tolkien did not love technology especially when it comes to the war machine. And saruman's fall seems to happen when he starts to create a war machine for his own. Thanks for the feedback and for your great videos.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

@@ernestschroeder9762 Its a very good theory of you, but nowhere in the books is it mentioned in that regard (the relation between Saruman and Sauron). Hypothetically it still makes sense like you say!

[@curtbrackenrich7883]

I really like your LOTR videos, I can tell you're passionate about the Tolkien universe and you always put your clips together very well.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Thank you! That comment made me happy :)

[@Friedbeanbag]

0:18 saruman the rainbow

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Ya boiii

[@TeraAmericanus]

Sauramn of many colors

[@Raz.C]

Just a brief aside - Christopher Lee worked as an actor for 70 years, having more than 250 acting credits in his name!!!! I'm glad he was able to play such an iconic role as that of Saruman in LOTR before his death at age 93.

[@alagass6466]

Why do I not remember his cloak shifting colors, I feel like I'd have remembered that.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Have you read the book? It's only briefly mentioned tho!

[@alagass6466]

@@LoreOfTheRingsYT I did read the books s long time ago, must have missed it there as well.

[@ChikaNeca]

It doesnt shift in movies tho

[@MigHeart68]

In the Book hi Build his own Ring. With the Power of his Past and God. This Ring gives him more Power for the Voise and of every Color(what ever that means). There is nothing in the Movie. Not in the Outtakes or Storybook from the Movie.

[@johnst.baptiste3664]

I've always thought of Saruman as very similar (in all of the best ways) to Milton's Lucifer. Fall from heaven through vanity.

[@TyAlaska1]

Saruman was allowed to go by the Valar. Gandalf was ordered to go by the Valar because they knew that Saruman would fail. Saruman was needed to 'fall' to 1) bring the Ents into the fight to stop Saruman' forces and Sauron's forces later in the War, 2) get Merry into position to stab the witch-king's tendon with the knife from the barrow, 3) get the Palantir into Pippin's and Aragon's hands to distract Sauron while the ringbearers are at risk of being seen, and 4) to put Aragorn onto the Paths of the Dead to beat Umbar.... Saruman was offered forgiveness three times because he was used by the Valar, but he refused atonement.... These are the answers to the title question. You're welcome.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Indeed! It can be viewed that way, though who knows the outcome had Saruman not turned evil? But this you answer very well, the Valar, or rather Eru knew this. However, the Valar could not see all the ages ahead, only Illuvatar himself could. Thanks for your cool perspective!

[@AzureSymbiote]

Where is this information? The Silmarillion?

[@davidstoyanoff]

@@AzureSymbiote no it's just one guy's Theory

[@wpistol]

A late comment to add. I have read ALL of Tolkien's works and while I am no lore expert, I have reread all the books enough times to state that this video gives a whole and complete rendition. Very accurate. Thank you so much for your work.

[@Phil-D83]

Him falling off the tower is a better ending as per the movies.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Yup, agreed

[@midimusicforever]

No, it isn't. It's a cheap way to cut out a big part of the story because they couldn't fit it.

[@Phil-D83]

@@midimusicforever the book version would have dragged it out. Plus, everyone wanted the sob to die.lol

[@midimusicforever]

@@Phil-D83 Yes, it didn't work for the movies so they changed it, but it's not a better ending, it just made the movies work. And killing of sobs just because "everyone" wants them to die is cheap. It's the kind of predictable, detestable crap we see in ever so many hollywood movies anyway.

[@jimbombadill]

this is one way to look at it...and i think you touch upon the more deeper metaphoric aspect at the end and i find that one more interesting. Saruman showed signs of pride and jellousy even at the beggining. He didnt want to take Radagast because it was beneth him, he was jellous of Gandalf...all these are seads that led to the darkness and downfall as it is for every human being in their life. Sauron was most lickly someone Saruman felt jellous of from the beggining to....its a path most humans put their feet on but how it goes is hard to say....Saruman had many changes to redeam himself but stayed bitter and jellous untill the very end.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Indeed! His bitterness started already at the council when the istari was chosen.

[@salgarcia8021]

He also was shit general... Assaulting a fortified stronghold. With out real siege equipment. Also the same day as the March. He had no Intel gandolfo's coming so no need to rush. He should have left 1/4 or 1/3 of his army to conduct a a drawn-out siege of attrition. As done in history 9/10 and used the rest of his forces to deal with any attempts of a relief Force.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

He should have assaulted them in the open field and attacked them earlier. However he wanted Wormtongue to corrupt Eomer and Theodred, so he waited.

[@salgarcia8021]

@@LoreOfTheRingsYT idk if you play Total war Warhammer. But this is something that comes up in the community. Some ppl want to have epic assaults on fortify stronghold and send everyone to the walls while seige equipment fires..looks awesome but hurt your ability to fight the coming campaign due to having to recover large loses. More experience player use all siege and missile ammo before even assaulting. Then slowly go in trying to minimize casualties for the campaign to come. Great video btw keep it up😁

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Played Med II and I agree wholeheartedly. Thanks!

[@heysteve84]

Things in Middle Earth were already set into motion, and maybe he felt that he was on the clock and had no time for a conventional siege. Need to conquer Rohan ASAP and then move forward to the next phase of the plan. The Ring is out there somewhere and Sauron could get it first.

[@salgarcia8021]

@@heysteve84 he could have also came at Rohan after a bit of siege and tried to ally with giving him a place in the new world. Either way his actions at helms deep was great read and watch but poor choice of action.

[@RainyMood90]

Cool question at the end! He was more impatient than fully evil..

[@sharkanenoa5928]

When did the great Saurman the Wise trade reason for madness

[@adrians3267]

Abandon*

[@chad9113]

It's just he's too wise/smart he seeks an easy way to be the Victor in war but it didn't go that way..

[@eorzeantours1565]

The music at 1:00 got me in the mood to watch SummoningSalt.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

I am inspired by him

[@Sultan-qk3od]

Saruman turned evil because of Radagast's habit of eating mushrooms, it yellows his teeth!

[@yvonnemason9137]

Very well told! it's good to hear the whole story of Saruman in one place and be able to trace the evolution of the character. Thanks for making this video. :)

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@thefaceofpppwhenhisguntabs5292]

Is it true that Saruman was about to free Gandalf and ask for forgiveness when Ganadalf escaped from Orthanc?

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

That's an alternate story that Tolkien considered. In the unfinished tales there are multiple different stories regarding this scenario. I think that particular scenario would have been really interesting, but it would not fit with Sarumans given nature!

[@joshuapatrick682]

I appreciate the creative vision of others...but I’m dismayed that the middle-Earth and its people in my head was forever replaced the day I watched those damn films.

[@beeffammer285]

What if saruman stayed good but made hes army for good

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

Even then, the armies of Mordor would outmatch the west. After the battle of the Pelennor fields, Mordor had only used 1 of 5 armies. Saruman could probably have aided the fellowship, and Boromir would be alive. The fellowship might have entered Mordor with more members than just Frodo and Sam. We don't know what would happen tho!

[@heysteve84]

@@LoreOfTheRingsYT I agree. It was the wizards' charge, and the measure of their true ability, to enable and advise, not to raise armies of their own; his creation of the Uruk-hai is a huge perversion of his power, even without counting the fact that it was an _evil_ army. It is possible for a wizard to end a conflict before it starts, and omit the need for an army altogether. Had Saruman lent his personal aid, the Fellowship's journey to Mordor would likely have been a lot smoother and have a much better chance of success.

[@Nuklz1981]

I like how you showed that Saruman was only beyond saving when he gave over completely to the greed and lust for power that can attach itself to any , especially those who already know power," true and terrible power". Power can corrupt like any vice. And Saruman was not without wisdom ,he simply chose not to use it.

[@1pcfred]

Saruman's name was too much like Sauron. It made reading the books less enjoyable.

[@silverdragon710]

lmao

[@1pcfred]

@@silverdragon710 what's so funny?

[@petardimitrijevic325]

This is the kind of guy that says: ''I'm not gay! My boyfriend is...''

[@sparkeyjames]

In one sentance.... He used the palantir in the Tower of Orthanc and was ensnared by Sauron.

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

And he studied his arts too deeply, and thought it the only way

[@vitalguillin9229]

Saruman could represent "Satan" you said at the end, no, surely not!!! If one character could be the "real" Devil in the LOTR, it's not even Sauron, but his master Morgoth, the Fallen Valar...Saruman could be a demon, and Sauron another one a little bit stronger….

[@LoreOfTheRingsYT]

In my opinion, multiple characters could represent Biblical characters. Jesus could be portrayed by both Frodo, Aragorn and especially Gandalf.

[@Xaforn]

Lore of Middle-Earth yes very good point Ive often thought that. Also especially Durin representation for Adam, the first Adam.

[@unbelievablytrash9458]

Sauron is a Loki archetype.

[@godskingdomservant3191]

@@LoreOfTheRingsYT Frodo is the Lamb Jesus (what He did for us on the Cross 2 thousand years ago). Aragorn is the Warrior and King Jesus that Will return soon. Gandalf is what Jesus is doing right now: conquering the hearts of the "Free Peoples", inspiring them to seek His Light before His return as King of kings.

[@adamhenry3928]

One thing that eludes me is if Saruman evil intent was mixed up with disappearance of 2 blue wizards. If so then it would mean he started plotting way back. One thing that is mentioned is that only Gandalf stayed true to his mission but not many people mention why. Radagast stayed "good" but basicly chose to care after nature more than people, Saruman went for power move and lost it, 2 blue wizards went mia and only Gandalf sticked to the original plan, but why? You said that Saruman was impatient, I think Gandalf would be too (in the end he was supposedly less powerful than Saruman) if not for Narya - ring of power he was given that was said to give power to resist weariness of time and also to resist tyranny, domination and despair. So you could say that basicly elven rings of power won - if not for Gandalf being able to inspire Frodo to take a quest (possibly due to Narya) or Aragorn to take up his duty and not to fear he'll end up like Isildur (also possibly thanks to Narya) things would've been pretty much lost.