Sata X5500 RP I 1.2 v Iwata W400 Bellaria 1.3 Upol 2080 HS Clear Coating A Motorcycle Tank

[@swc-diygarage]

As a DIY garage painter bang for your buck is extremely important. Bellaria all the way. Thanks Pete.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Cheers buddy 👍

[@scottherr642]

AS USUAL PETE I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAY 100% AND EVEN THOUGH I LOVED MY SATAS WHEN THERE WASNT MUCH OUT THERE TO COMPETE-NOW THEY ARE JUST WAY OVERPRICED.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Scott, yes, Sata's are brilliant well built reliable sprayguns but so are so many others particularly the Bellaria, as you say, overpriced I think 👍

[@scottherr642]

Did you have a chance to try the ws400 fluid tip in the w400 with wbx cap yet? A video would be great, but not necessary, as just your opinion would suffice for me.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Scott, just tried it, it seems to over atomise a little, I've only tried it with thinners so it will probably be better with a thicker material but i still think it's over atomising the fluid, pattern is fine

[@scottherr642]

Pete thanks so much-i may get a w400 body anyway as I'm looking for a proper uhs clear gun. If the pattern is good then the extra atomization might work well on the super viscous clears that are 80%+solids. Sickens, quarts LG, Chameleon etc...up till now I only use the sagola for. Even the sagola in 1.3 needs dialed back to 1.5 turns on fluid to approach properly atomizing uhs clears. I can make any gun work but the solvent pop ruins your ability to use flow to an advantage.

[@watchthisspacecarchannel6523]

Hello Pete hope you are doing well, interesting comparison, whenever I’ve seen videos about the W400 everyone’s spoke highly of these guns especially the Bellaria version so I guess the results weren’t that surprising to me . Then again the Sata fans really love their Sata guns , I guess everyone has their favourites , I’m a die hard Iwata fan so that’s how it is I guess . You’ve done another great video I can’t get enough of these comparison videos you choose interesting guns to compare , cheers mate

[@peteshobbies5383]

I'm really enjoying using the Sata even though i would advise anyone to buy 2 or 3 W400s for the price, as you say, people love them and are willing to pay the money, cheers buddy 👍

[@JohnWD40TC02]

Two nice guns there Pete, I'm not really a Sata man as I don't like the look and design of the latest ones plus IMO they are way over priced but as you say they both did a fantastic job on the clear and they both laid it down exactly the same so obviously the winner is the cheaper gun. Hope you had a good holiday mate, nice to see you back uploading again, look forward to the next 🤗👍

[@peteshobbies5383]

Cheers John, hope you're keeping well buddy 👍

[@JohnWD40TC02]

Yeah not so bad mate, spent the last 4 days detailing and ceramic coating my SLK, stripped the old wax off, clay barred the whole body, full machine polish, IPA wipe down then 2 coats of ceramic, when I was younger that would be a days job but these days the old bod isn't so willing. I'll be posting some pics and vids of it on my IG page later, time for a rest now 😵🥴😂

[@peteshobbies5383]

@@JohnWD40TC02 I'll look forward to it 👍

[@derekdewberry21]

No mention of the “RP” as consuming less air? I thought I’ve heard the benefit for DIY guys with smaller air compressors is the RP tip….especially when doing big projects like full car body resprays. Love your videos!

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Derek, yes, the RP uses less air than the HVLP but the air consumption of both of these guns is around the same, certainly not noticeable as being different, the HVLP Sata setup uses around 17cfm so huge amounts, the WBX version of the W400 also uses a lot, not quite as much as the Sata HVLP but no far off it, cheers 👍

[@niamakhtar2234]

Accurate comparison Pete! Got both of them and the Sata is not for a novice, slow user, for defo more chance of runs. The W400 is more user friendly, and does not consume as much air, without compromising the finish, and is capable of flat finishes. I have The 1.3, with a 1.4 for HS clears. Would be nice if you could do a review on the Liquid Quartz Glass VHS clear, German Clear, via SGD. No reviews on it. Very good quality clear coat!!!

[@peteshobbies5383]

Thanks Niam, I'm really growing to like the Sata's, i now have a few different tip sets both RP and HVLP in various sizes both O and I, once you get used to them they are very rewarding to use, the HVLP is on the limit of my setup, it can only just supply enough air to keep up but it does, i have 2 compressors linked so can leave them both on if needed but that's a noisy affair so best avoided. The Bellaria is a much more user friendly option and around a third of the price so ideal for the chap at home on a limited budget and as you say air consumption is lower and is just as happy in professional use. I will get round to using some different clears so keep a look out buddy 👍

[@mitchellferre1652]

I agree the w400 is more user friendly for a beginner. A bit slower application. Lots slower. I recommend a 1.2 tip with sata unless you have a very fast wet application style.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Yes, definitely the W400 is better for a beginner and relatively none expensive 👍

[@AChampagneWeezy]

In my opinion sata is better for production collision shops that have a high volume of work , iwata is better for custom painting at home in a more relaxed environment

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Buddy, You could be right, I'm not in a fast-moving production shop, so I can't say. Thanks for taking the time to comment. It is much appreciated 👍

[@wazid0122]

have both sata x5500 1.4 I hvlp for basecoat an sata x5500 1.3 0 clearcoat only negative is the price

[@peteshobbies5383]

Yep, they are great sprayguns but as you say, the price, i think they are priced at what the market can take rather than what they cost to make, people, like you and me still buy them so i guess the market can take it, Devilbiss are doing a similar thing with there DV1, they are priced around 60% more than the Pro Lites, they are better made but nothing like 60% better, thanks for the interest , cheers 👍

[@ibrahimabaasy4192]

Devilbiss pro lite or iwata 400 bellaria for metallic base coats on tight budget

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Ibrahim, they are both perfectly capable of handling metallics so I would go for whichever you can get the cheapest

[@ibrahimabaasy4192]

@@peteshobbies5383 ba2 cap or lv2

[@peteshobbies5383]

Normally the Bellaria has the ba4-2 air cap which is a very good all rounder

[@Mike-qo4kp]

Sata designed for production painters it's the fastest gun there is also it does the job for you anyone can spray like a pro with one

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Mike, I think Sata have changed there way of thinking a little with the 5500x, as you will know they offer it in "I" and "O" pattern, the O is a little faster as it's a wetter pattern but i think they have tried to make it appealing to a wider audience by introducing these two setups as both of them are slower than the equivalent in the 5000B series which are super fast,

[@mitchellferre1652]

Sagola 4600x dvr clear is just as fast as any sata. Sata 1.2 tip is more like a 1.3 . They are both Bazookas !

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Mitchell, yes, they are both lovely guns to use and as you say real hoses, have you used the Sata 5000 rp for clear, that seems faster than the 5500x given the same tip, all great guns though 👍

[@mitchellferre1652]

@@peteshobbies5383 I have not tried the 5500x yet. 5000 is a beast. I remember watching a video a while back where the sata 1.2 tip was measured and it was closer to 1.4 !!! I prefer 1.3 for clear work. I usually wind the fluid in a bit more when using the Devilbiss GPI 1.4. Bellaria is perfect for me with 1.3.

[@peteshobbies5383]

@@mitchellferre1652 The 5500x is a bit more refined, it's had a bit of the beast removed, it quieter than the 5000 and a bit slower, if you get a chance to use one it'll be interesting to see what you think 👍

[@thesearcherman6652]

On a slightly different note, am i correct in that the Iwata Kiwami4 (w /1.3) is notably superior to both the FLG5 and the ANI160 as a one gun does it all solution. Thank you very much.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Mate, I have a soft spot for the F160, for the money, it's so good, the FLG5 is a reliable workhorse that I used and enjoyed for 5 years, it was only the F160 that made me realise that you can get a "better" performing gun for a little less. To answer your question the answer is certainly yes, the Kiwami4 is as good at what it does as the F160 but is much better made, will last you longer and feel much better in the hand, cheers 👍

[@lewigas290]

Pete are you saying you can swap the air can on the 5500 to change it from an RP to an HVLO just like you can with the DV1 and Prolite? Cheers

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Mate, no, it comes as a kit which is a cap in "I" or "o" pattern, a tip and a needle, Sata call them a tip set so it's not just the cap 👍

[@lewigas290]

@@peteshobbies5383 great stuff. Always wondered but have been told in the past that the gun body is different so could not be done. That’s something worth knowing. Another great vid!👍💥

[@peteshobbies5383]

@@lewigas290 Yeah, I heard that the body was different but it's not, you can do exactly the same with the 4400 and the 5000 as well

[@lewigas290]

@@peteshobbies5383 cheers Pete. That’s all good information to know. Really like that aspect of your vids because just like you I enjoy trying out all the different set ups for each gun.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Yeah, it's all part of the fun, i guess the pro guys don't get the time for much mucking about with such things 👍

[@Whitening98]

Maybe Im doing something wrong. I can't get the hang of the bellaria. I just don't like it. Maybe my setup ?

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Mate, what setup are you using and what are you spraying? , they are normally a fairly neutral gun, seem to do most things well

[@Whitening98]

@@peteshobbies5383 I work with alot of single stage but I've tried it for just clear as well and I don't know I can't get it right. I haven't used it in months now in favor of the lv2 w400 Full fan and fluid wide open

[@peteshobbies5383]

I guess sometimes it's like that, you just don't get on with something, I find the LV2 very similar to the BA4 Bellaria cap but i rarely use single stage and can't say i remember using either caps for single stage so maybe I'm not seeing the flaws that you do, the settings you use are the same as me for clear, i sometimes back off the fluid a little but it's more or less, full and full

[@maxmeyer74]

Pete, what's the difference in the 2 air caps c1 & c2 for the devilbiss dv1.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Anthony, the C2 cap has a smaller pattern than the C1 but is slightly wider, its also wetter so in effect it makes the gun faster, i would probably equate it to the TE10 v TE20 on the pro lite, it's a similar feeling of the difference between the two, i know the TE10 is normally a base cap but the difference in speed is a good comparison, both give a good finish but go about it in a different way if that makes sense. I've done a video of the B HVLP cap and the C2 cap the other day and am planning on a C1 & C2 cap one soon, its good to do it back to back as it rules out any other factors, cheers 👍

[@maxmeyer74]

@@peteshobbies5383 Thank you so much Pete for your excellent reply, I look forward to seeing your next videos keep up the great work 🙂.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Cheers Anthony, much appreciated 👍

[@ANDY-we7mr]

pete i had 2 sata sold them straight away 1.3 and 1.2

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Andrew, didn't like them?

[@ANDY-we7mr]

@@peteshobbies5383 so pete what the best guns 🔫 you like I think the sagola 4600 and the ws400 and the Ls400 I like

[@peteshobbies5383]

@@ANDY-we7mr I've never used a LS400, I've just picked up a WS400 OBS which is a base version of the WS400, I like loads but the Sagola 4600 is really nice and with the Titania cap one gun can do it all, I still love the Gti Pro Lite as well, i guess if I had to choose a winner, i would go with the Pro Lite as they are cheaper than the others, if money was no object i would go with the Sagola or DV1

[@davidray4655]

Hey Pete. What would you use a 1.2 in a bellaria for? Just wondering. Thanks

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi David, it's good for basecoat, it's originally designed in 1.2 with a BA4-1 cap but I've used it with the BA4-2 cap and it's good, good for clear as well, obviously slower than a 1.3 but still put out lots of material for it's size

[@davidray4655]

@@peteshobbies5383 thanks Pete 👌

[@peteshobbies5383]

@@davidray4655 Your welcome 👍

[@davidray4655]

@@peteshobbies5383 just wanted to thank you for the dv1 glass trick of using the C1 cap and the 1.2 tip. Just sprayed a bumper cover and it's as flat as a pancake 🤩

[@peteshobbies5383]

@@davidray4655 Hi David, yes it sprays really well, a fair few really can't get on with them especially a 1.2 because it's slow, but if you want a really flat finish the smaller tips are often the way to go, my feeling are the air volume is the same out the cap but has a little less fluid to deal with so it atomises better

[@danieltodut1587]

Is the best iwata like sata?

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Daniel, I personally think the best Iwata sprays better than a Sata, the Kiwami4 WBX, WB and WS400 can all compete with the Sata

[@Mileagex]

What gloves do you use?

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Vivek, I use nitrile none powder gloves, expensive theses day's but seem to last well

[@deanbrown7643]

Pete was the satta slower than the iawtta ????

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Dean, no, it was around 16 seconds a tank faster so around 25% faster

[@deanbrown7643]

@@peteshobbies5383 wow heard stories from other painters it was really slow thanks Pete 👍👍👍

[@deanbrown7643]

Not that I'll ever use bud I'm a devilbis nut lol

[@deanbrown7643]

What's your view on the devilbis HD advance got an offer of one in a gravity set up ?????

[@deanbrown7643]

It's in a 1.6 set up with a 403 air cap would it cope with polyester spray filler ?????

[@ibrahimabaasy4192]

Hi great video's thanks

[@peteshobbies5383]

Thanks buddy, much appreciated 👍

[@biggysground]

In my opinion, the Sata slams the paint on faster and uses more paint which means more waste compared to the Bellaria, I guess if you can get used to that stupid fan adjustment which I do hit all the time with my big finger than go for Sata. I prefer Iwata or Devilbiss.

[@quantumgelato4787]

Pete no offense, but you cant really do a full review on full size gun painting gas tanks.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi buddy, no offence taken, just curious as to why you think painting a gas tank is so different to painting a few panels on a car or a fender or whatever?

[@dropbear9526]

@@peteshobbies5383 You could do as good a job on a fuel tank using a rattle can. Can that be said about doing an entire car? Get my point?

[@peteshobbies5383]

@dropbear9526 Hi Mate, Not really painting is painting. So, in your scenario, when would you need to switch from rattle can's to a spray gun, one panel, 2 panels, maybe 3? , a bonnet and a roof?, tell me

[@dropbear9526]

@@peteshobbies5383 Entire car. Basically, what I'm saying is, on a fuel tank, It's mostly just quick squirts on the trigger/nozzle, off on, off on, etc. Not prolonged applications as in spraying and walking the side of an entire car, where you're on the trigger for a lot longer time and putting out a lot more material. As I would be when spraying a candy or colour shift paint job. If you were walking the side of a car, which gun would you choose? I'd obviously choose the Sata. I Imagine you would as well. But for a fuel tank, or any other smaller job, panels etc, I'd choose the Iwata. I luv and appreciate your video's, there was no offence Intended. I just thought 'Ol Mate had a valid point and I pretty much agree with him. It still takes skill and experience to get a nice finish on a fuel tank. No doubt about that. I'm also a bike bloke, not a car bloke, Although, I've painted both. Only entire cars though, not panels etc. For me the fun in paining is Improving and changing the entire appearance of the bike or car etc. I'd never do a repair unless I absolutely had to. Fortunately, I'm a good rider lol. Been riding for 49 yrs, as of yesterday (X-Mas day, 1975. Honda XR75), and since 4 yr's of age. Never crashed a street bike or a car. (Touch wood 😁). The curves and lines on a fuel tank obviously show how good the finish is, better than it would on a front guard etc. I get that. So, again, absolutely no offence was Intended. I sincerely apologize if I did offend you.

[@dropbear9526]

@@peteshobbies5383 Just for the record. 'Ol Mate said "review". I do think the word should have been, comparison. And. I do think a fuel tank is fine if you're only comparing the finish. Which after thinking about it, I realize that's what you're doing. In which case, my sincere apologies again. I should have kept my mouth shut. "Live and learn". I learnt. The hard way, as usual 😁

[@dropbear9526]

Sata's are way overrated IMO. I'd choose the Iwata, regardless of the price difference. Of all the "big" brands. The Sagola is the best value for money gun in the market.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi buddy, Sagola varies widely in price depending where you are. They are certain well made in the main part and perform well, cheers buddy 👍

[@dropbear9526]

@@peteshobbies5383 The non digital version over here is very well priced when you compare it to Iwata, Walcom etc. In a retail store, they (the 4600) go for around $600.00 AUD. The W400 is $699.00. Walcom 360 Evo is over 1.3K. I think the Devilbliss non digital DV1's are around $700+ If you're talking digital, the DV1 and the Sagola 4600 are around the same price. Around 1K. Then you have the versatility of the Sagola 4600, which adds to it being even better value again, IMO. I also like that they don't push the need for more than one gun. I.e. DV1 base, DV1 clear, same with Walcom etc. Nice to have a gun for clear, and another for base, etc, but, that's just a luxury, and marketing, not compulsory. For me "Honesty is the best policy". That applies to marketing as well. Got a lot of time on my hands today, thunderstorms outside, hence my long winded post lol