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[@mynameisgladiator1933]

I got the impression that you were rather disapproving of people mowing the lawn when it is wet. I live in North Carolina. It rains here a lot. Sometimes every day for weeks. We don't really have a choice.

[@garysullivan8203]

Never be embarrassed about warning consumers regarding reoccurring problems. You’re a reputable shop and I believe that it’s part of your job. If Honda doesn’t agree then maybe they should remedy the issue. You are in the perfect position to make these assessments just because of the shear volume you deal with……good job young lady

[@matthewronson5218]

Also because of the sheer volume she deals with...

[@josephbritt6853]

You may hate telling people to stay away from something but you’re very honest about it.

[@jimmyjo7558]

This is the kind of information that we as the consumer need to hear. Thank you for doing this and having the fortitude to do so.

[@randygreen007]

Truth! It’s better than Consumer Reports.

[@MrReddevil420]

While I agree, learning how to actually clean your equipment or preventative maintenance will also go a long way.

[@foreverandaday8185]

@@MrReddevil420 Right!? Some people just don't have common sense, or are just LAZY. 🤦

[@philipbreau1246]

Honda needs to smarten up. It looks like a shroud may be able to fit around the belt. There appears to be mounting holes under the mower. Maybe someone forgot to install one.

[@williamjackson5942]

@@philipbreau1246 Thet are not going to, as of September they will stop making mowers!

[@thomastefteller7162]

When i watched this video i was astounded. I had just 12 hours before purchased the exact Hònda mower featured. It was in my garage still in the box. Based on your report i returned the honda and purchased a Craftsman. Thank you! You savedme alot of time and $$$$🙂

[@bmorestance]

Hey man how is the Craftsman for you? What model did u get? I am in search for new mower and I keep hearing Honda Honda Honda. However, this is the only model available in my area. 1 left on shelf... I'm debating but I didnt want to spend 550 on a mower....

[@bullpup33]

I was seriously going to buy one this week. Not for me. So glad I saw this video. Life saver.

[@ericwiltse8054]

Just looked at one an hour ago. Thank you !

[@johngardner2807]

I'm 70 yrs old,and I 've worked on small engines for over 48 yrs. I've seen good,and I've seen terrible!LOL! Refreshing,to see someone with the same values,..i.e., looking out for the customer,and doing things right. I lived in Michigan,all my life,until moving to the Lonoke/Cabot area,9 yrs ago. I still do a few units,just to keep busy. God Bless,and good wishes,for you,and your husband !

[@raymondmejias7839]

I've had a brand new Husqvarna could never get it to start from day one. started using ether to start it. Once running it cut great was 4wd

[@cherylmoshiri3311]

I so appreciate your honesty. Thanks!

[@AutismusPrime69]

No one cares how old you are. You post this same comment on everyone's videos.

[@darkstar_destroyer377]

Lonoke / Cabot? Arkansas? Nice area if so!

[@rmcguire-pg6io]

John 👍 I am a couple years ahead of you and have worked 12 years in small engine rental and repair. I love Chickanic because she is honest about helping the customer, which seems to be a lost value. Now it is ‘Use until it breaks and the go buy a new one.’

[@brianjohnson217]

It's heart warming to see a lady that's interested in mechanical things. I'm a retired engineer/ mechanic and if start talking about my work she tells me it's boring. I think your channel on garden machinery is very interesting .

[@badtothebone346]

My jaw dropped when I saw this model you were speaking of. I purchased it last year, so far no problems. I keep the underside clean so I hope I can avoid these issues you speak of.

[@MrNorthstar50]

@john smith I have that same mower and it does have a belt slipping problem and its only 4 months old and I have had Honda mowers for over 20 years. Your wrong John!

[@MrNorthstar50]

@john smith thanks for the reply John no I haven't tried that I have a yard full of trees and there's lots of little sticks in the yard

[@michaeldavid6284]

@john smith She didn't say anything about Honda mowers from years past. She specifically said the NEWEST MODEL, and showed a new one, purchased 3 months earlier that already needed repair. She then backed up her opinion by stating she had performed the exact same repair on TEN of the exact same model of Honda mower. Still say she's lying? You either need to thoroughly clean out your ears or permanently retire your pipe.

[@michaelsilva8854]

I too have the same mower been running it for my Landscaping company it’s light strong and cuts well I cut Bermuda Augustine and fescue grass haven’t had to replace the belt yet working on the second set of tires and yes I had I stick get stuck in it ! Popped it out and off I went !

[@AlexanderTheGrateful]

Those Honda’s are only like that on the American market, the Australian models all have a huge round blade disc that covers all that up.. an easy fix would be to order the blade disc plate and the four high lift blades and put them on the American models

[@VanMan89]

I use the non self propelled version of this mower for my lawn business and it's never let me down! Going into my 4th year and it still runs like new.

[@polarlab113]

Same here.I buy the Honda 216 self propelled residential models and they are half the price of commercial models.I have a couple that are 10 years old.keeping them clean is job one

[@BillyBobDingledorf]

And my 30 year old Yard Machines still runs like new. Other than maintenance, I've never had a single repair.

[@Bingbing611]

I ran my lawn business for 25 years! Organic Lawn Care of Arlington Virginia I only bought Hondas and Snappers with Kawasaki engines for my push mowers Hardly any issues and tens of thousands of lawns cut I wish you well in your endeavors It’s a great way to earn a living

[@D13fs]

@@polarlab113 "Same here."??? His is not self propelled and yours is. What is the same about that?

[@rogerwiley7269]

I used to take customers out to see my line up of repair mowers (incoming and outgoing) and look at the age of the mowers being repaired. I also put replaced parts in a bag/box so customers knew what was replaced. It made it easier to steer them away from problems. Great videos.

[@armchairtin-kicker503]

A hard lesson I learnt in my youth. If one is considering the purchase of a durable good, skip the salesman and talk to the repairwoman directly.

[@kevinbolin7665]

Very wise man .....i recommend every shop take this advice .....it helps build honesty between the owner and customer leaving no question upon the need of the parts replaced .

[@ColonelSandersLite]

@@armchairtin-kicker503 A related generally useful piece of advice I picked up somewhere - Suppose you're needing to buy a tool to do some things and you want a good one that will last. Take a look at what brands the guys that use them for a living are using. They need their gear to be as reliable and repairable as possible or downtime eats into their profits. It's also a good idea to look at what the rental guys are renting out. Same thing but possibly more so. They know they're going to have to rent their tools out to morons that don't know what they're doing. They also know they're going to rent their tools out to people that *do* know what they're doing but just don't care because it's a rental. So, as much as possible, their tools have to be able to take a beating and keep on ticking. Of course, this isn't 100%. Just a good starting place, IMHO.

[@steveb5537]

I have watched your channel grow...I found your channel by accident when researching an issue that I had. Long story short - you are very good at what you do, BUT, the best part is how you share the information. Thank you, and I wish you both well.

[@gwnikmarvin2315]

Thank you, you bring a brite lite to what once looked difficult.

[@michaelmactavish4445]

@@gwnikmarvin2315 i paid $1,067.00 for my 12.3hp and spent $657.57 on parts and repairs wich why kubotas are best build

[@johnnybahngload1673]

Lightweight is good and what did I use it for it’s a lawnmower kzbin.infoUgkxTPN04aT-Qdjr_KS3ql7ng8wnU3wwsCqk also recommend Yes it is lightweight so hence not as robust as our old one. But if you take care it does the job really well.

[@Harpo.jr70]

I have my Lawnboy Silver series walk behind self propelled for 20 years. Bought it in 2003. The best I ever had. I clean the bottom every time I mow. I change oil at beginning of season and half way thru again. I use fuel stabilizer and it takes me a hour to mow. I'll be 70 this October and a young neighbor asked me when I'm getting a rider, I said when I get old. He asked me 2 years ago.

[@jeffreymyers511]

I appreciate your honesty. People work hard for they have.

[@carlsimons1688]

I've been using Honda mowers for years now. The early HRU215 mowers with the GXV140 motor are very durable, as is the drive shaft / gearbox system they run. These OHV push rod motors also feature cast iron sleeve & are the reason for Honda having such a good reputation for long life. That said they make these consumer grade machines that are build to a price because people purchase them. Unfortunately for a business to remain profitable they sacrifice the brand & thus not all Honda's are created equal.

[@riogrande5761]

My dad bought a Troy Bilt lawn mower. He passed away and it was virtually new. I could not start it. I took it to a shop, they got it to start. I used it once, after that i couldn't get it to start. It's still in the garage hasn't been used since. My wife found a used Husqvarna mower and it's been working like a champ.

[@sneak6654]

I was shocked when you reviled the problem mower was a Honda. I’ve owned lots of Honda outdoor equipment over the years for my business and for my home use from generators, lawn mowers, snowblowers, water pumps, outboard engines, pressure washers. I always kept up on the scheduled maintenance on them and replaced worn parts when needed and they all have worked great with very few problems. That’s why I paid the extra money on Honda equipment over other brands because the Hondas worked and they worked when I really needed them to in some bad situations. I sure hope that Honda is not heading in the direction of making expensive junk like some other companies have. Thanks for making this video, it sure was an eye opener.

[@michaelmactavish4445]

thats why im kinda waiting for kubotas to bring there good solid kubota walk behind mowers here to canada

[@GiantMeteor2024]

@@michaelmactavish4445 Kubota! I miss the old days at a friends place in Ontario mowing the 3 acres there on a Kubota tractor. Its fun!

[@Seldomheardabout]

They aren't heading that direction. Briggs paid her to shit on Honda lol. Find my comment explaining how I am a commercial landscaper and I keep this guy around. I beat it to hell for 3 years and a piece of plastic fell off. Still sounds brand new, sucks no air, and works exactly like it should. Don't trust women claiming they are mechanics lol. You have been fleeced.

[@frankm2588]

I've had Toro, Craftsman and Honda mowers. Honda is by far the best. Anyone who says otherwise is crazy. There must be an ulterior motive here.

[@worldhello1234]

@@Seldomheardabout "Briggs paid her to shit on Honda lol." I could claim the same thing about, except calling you a Honda shill. 😂 "Don't trust women claiming they are mechanics lol." Nah, I don't trust random trolls and their army of strawmen. 😂 Simple, either it is a problem or it isn't. 😊

[@lukesurman5886]

I have this exact mower and have never had any of these issues or any issue with it. I’ve had it for over 5 years.

[@baxter2413]

I have a Toro Super Recycler that I bought new in 2004 and it’s still going strong. I’ve never replaced the drive belt and have never have had to adjust the "personal pace" drive system. I’ve replaced the spark plug 3 times only and 3 seasons ago I replaced the rear drive wheels. It’s been impeccable.

[@TimothyStclair-v4p]

Got one from 2002. Great mower. Compression still strong, Briggs engine.

[@kens.3729]

My Dad and I Owned countless numbers of Snapper Mowers over the years until they “Cheapened” the Quality and started selling them at Walmart. I went to a Toro several years ago with a Honda Engine and it was a Great Choice. 👍

[@joe6096]

Just so you understand, Snapper never cheapened out on their authentic Snapper models - which have NEVER been available at Walmart or any other big box store. What did happen was that Simplicity bought Snapper in 2002 and put the Snapper name on cheap Simplicity mowers to sell at Walmart. Thankfully Simplicity kept the REAL Snappers - with patented rear disc drive self propelled system- that enthusiasts know and love, in production and for sale only at power yard equipment dealers. As soon as Briggs and Stratton bought Snapper back from Simplicity they killed that Walmart deal, and ever since you can only buy the real Snappers, and only at power yard equipment dealers.

[@joetroutt7425]

​@@joe6096 do or did the original Snapper mowers come with Briggs and Stratton engines?

[@chrisgraham2904]

As a landscaper, who uses multiple walk behind mowers, from many different manufacturers, the declining quality and declining dependability of mowers is obvious. The problem certainly is not exclusive to Honda products. Your correct that certain manufacturer's products have inherent parts quality and design flaws that appear over and over to cause failures. Notifying the manufacturers in writing of the problems and my experience, never seems to result in the manufacturer taking responsibility or correcting the part or design flaw, even in their next generation of the same product. Many years ago, Toro changed a once dependable part, used in the deck height adjustment mechanism, from aluminum to a plastic material. The part continuously fails and I now buy them by the dozen to have stand-bys. The dealer has told me that they sell thousands of that replacement part each years to repair multiple generations of that mower. The manufacturer is obviously aware of the issues, as they are notified often by customers directly. I would assume they maintain communications with their dealers and service centers, who also identify the issues. The manufacturer is also aware that they are supplying an inordinate volume of specific parts to their dealers and repair centers on a continuous basis. The customer can only assume that the manufacturers are designing obsolescence into their machines for the purpose of selling parts and service, rather than improving design and selling a better product.

[@Richard-zc1cj]

You're right planned obsolescence makes a lot of money. It seems once someone has a good reputation of putting out good products then, they start the planned obsolescence, time to make lots of money selling parts. Many of these manufacturers have sold their ethics out to making more money.

[@thyslop1737]

Same with washer and dryers the declining quality. I buy a fair amount of washers and dryers every year for commercial use. I have noticed a marked decline in quality and quality control in coatings, in wirings and quality of workmanship, particularly these last 10 years.

[@michaelskinner896]

It's really unfortunate that so many different products in our society are falling under this same fate, and there's only one reason: money. In your case, imagine all of the extra money they're making selling those replacement plastic parts. Caring about and being proud of what you make and sell has almost become a lost art.

[@hunkydorian]

If I ran a manufacturing company I would closely watch repair part sales. And if I'm selling a lot of one or another part, that part is bad and has to be redesigned to fix whatever is wrong with it.

[@chrisgraham2904]

@@hunkydorian That seems completely logical, but when a manufacturer realizes that the defective part has added $650,000 dollars to their profits, they take a different road.

[@scottbohn929]

Wow I would have never guessed a Honda would be on the trouble list. I have a self propelled from the early 90’s that I still use today.

[@bryanbennett972]

Honda is done with Mowers. They will also stop building their mower engines as well. They are basically DONE!!!

[@bluewindshield]

Love your honesty. My son worked as a small engine mechanic for years. I must say that while this mower has issues, it is amazing how people mow wet grass and let it get caked up like this for any mower. You must roll your eyes at how people abuse their equipment.

[@D13fs]

I worked at a golf course. Grass cut every day in the early morning. The sprinkler system ran every night even when raining. Many different types of mowers. We just loved cleaning equipment. We would get into the rough areas with push mowers similar to the types homeowners use. We set the front wheels higher than the back - made mowing thicker long grass much easier.

[@Sarah_Swede]

Tell it like it is, no matter the manufacturer. Advice like this is gold to gear heads of all types. Nice work !

[@janiceoconnor5711]

Thank you so much for your videos . I am a single senior citizen woman and I have to rely on myself for fixing things. These days you can’t find anybody to work or anybody that is honest.

[@bwenluck9812]

@Janice Oconnor There ARE honest repair shops out there--you just have to talk to some guys to find out where they are. As far as people with a work ethic--you're right. If I could find someone reliable to cut my grass I wouldn't be doing it, but if the job's too small no one is interested. Best of luck! Keep lookin'....

[@daviddelaet8116]

Never mow wet grass. Let it dry, never mow first thing in the morning. My dad taught me that 50 years ago. Good video.

[@briannelson4493]

It only works with a mower designed to handle wet grass. I had a cub cadet zero turn commercial sum years back wet,dry,raining it didn’t matter and it didn’t plug up . I got rid of it because it was killing my back

[@johnmiller1919]

Glad to see you passing on this valuable information with you working on all these different brands you see firsthand the flaws; it's sickening how quantity over quality has been the new norm and mowers and other yard equipment have become a big investment. Keep up the great work and sure appreciate the honesty and workmanship you put into it the repairs.

[@martinschulz9381]

Some people just don't have the time to mow lawn at the right time and are forced to mow when it's damp out. Here in Washington state in the spring, it can be tough to find a dry window. Always buy a mower from a reputal dealer and not from a box store. A good dealer wants happy satisfied customers. Good video.

[@StratBurst92]

I have had my Honda mower for a few years now, no problems. I clean after every mowing, spray the bottom with silicone, and properly store it for the winter. And you are correct, only mow when it is dry.

[@jontrevino2135]

I wouldn't buy anything else but honda mowers. I have my own lawn care business and I use those exact models bought 2 for myself for father's day 2 years ago and I put them through hell sometimes and they just won't quit lol

[@ColonelSandersLite]

"only mow when it is dry" That's just not practical reality where I live and definitely isn't reality in a lot of the wetter parts of the country. I guess most people can only really get the mowing done on a couple of days of the week. It rains between 1 and 3 times a week here, depending on specific time of year. What are the odds that the days your schedule allow you to do it line up with good dry grass? Not too good in my experience. In short, if I followed that advice, my yard would just be an overgrown jungle a lot of the time.

[@joetroutt7425]

​​@@jontrevino2135 I just bought the same mower and it seems to be a good running mower. I was using a snapper self propelled mower from who knows how long. It's as heavy as a tank and has 6 speeds. The only reason I put it to pasture is bc it's been popping under heavy load and finally died on me the other day. I'm sure I could fix it but I figured it was just time to upgrade. I'm not sure if this is the original motor for snapper but it has a Briggs and Stratton engine. I've had the mower for over 10 years and I bought it used so I'm not sure how old it is. Hope the Honda gives me years of trouble free lawn care. I always mow dry grass. Mostly in the evening when all the dew and moisture has evaporated.

[@RR98guy]

I totally agree where I live it rains a lot also, grass is almost never dry here. I mow every week during the mowing season to keep the grass from getting too tall.@@ColonelSandersLite

[@scorpnz4433]

@@joetroutt7425 Check underside after each use for grass trapped in the v groove of the pulley (can usually tell as the belt will be raised at that point) or for grass trapped on the outer side of the belt between belt & that belt guard tang thing

[@GiantMeteor2024]

Ive used Craftsman mowers with Briggs motors since the 80s. Never an issue, I get 15 years out of them..they still run fine when I give them away and buy a new one. Just like cars, its nice to have a new shiney one after a while. 😎

[@georgemurray6845]

Same answer, BUT, I bought a "new" mower with b&s engine and it didn't last an hour before it was smoking. Yes, it had the proper oil level. These new mower are not what they used to be. Doesnt matter the brand

[@flipper184]

@@georgemurray6845 I'd like to buy the kind of mower they were selling 15 years ago. Things change. I am mowing 5 acres in Hawaii and it gets wet a lot.

[@lorrinbarth1969]

Do they make them like they used to? I have a John Deere walk behind I bought new in 1992. I cut down a fairly large silver maple, threw all the smaller branches in a pile and ran back and forth across it with my mower until the pile was gone. While doing this I cracked the aluminum deck and had to have it welded. I've had to replace the wheels several times because the tread wore out and the wheels were too small. Other than that it still runs like new. And Hondas quit because grass gets in the belt? Ha!

[@MrPabco]

Like they say, the truth hurts (some). Thanks for presenting this very important video. Makes you wonder why a company would design, test, and still release a product like this. Thank you for providing a great service to so many. Have a great day.

[@richardcranium5839]

they test these under good conditions and state the conditions in the owners and operators manual. no real world stuff.

[@jayjaynella4539]

The product was designed on a computer, not tested on cutting grass and put into production on the advice of a bean counter.

[@johngalt0096]

The suits opted for s/t profits & bonuses. Plus the financial boys overruled the engineering team & mkting group. SOS.

[@robertthompson3447]

Real world testing requires real world use. As a lawn servant, I am often very disappointed with people who "review" lawn mowers and release their videos before they ever have to refuel the mower.

[@adriancressy8363]

YOU ARE THE BEST...YOU know your STUFF about these machines

[@joetuktyyuktuk8635]

It truly is amazing how all these fragile parts are buried in such a way to make it difficult to replace... almost makes you think it is done on purpose 🙄

[@joemelissabucik7689]

It’s definitely done on purpose so it isn’t worth fixing and you throw it away and buy a new one.

[@tomgrams2333]

​@@joemelissabucik7689controlled obsolescence

[@sean5452]

I was going to go and purchase this exact mower tomorrow. My 517 finally bit the dust after 13 years of problem free service. Was going to buy the Honda again because the last was a pretty good mower. Glad I watched this video. Will need to buy something different, hopefully reliable.

[@rickharper1497]

It is virtually impossible not to mow damp grass here in the south and at $600 for a walk behind mower Honda has a serious problem!! Thank you for being a honest mechanic, it goes a long way these days especially at current labor cost. Thank You!!! Pensacola

[@deepsleep7822]

@rick: $600.00, not bad. If you keep the mower forever, it’s a one time investment. I’ve had the same Honda mower since 2009. Paid a little over $400.00 for it. So far, amortized out, that’s $33.00 a year. It still functions great and I plan to keep using it. I’ve worn out the rear tires, self propelled. Cost about $60.00 to replace.

[@KZSoze]

I have this exact model and have used it commercially at about 5-8 hours per week, for about a year, with zero (0) issues. Granted, I would never allow my mower to look as neglected as that one (1) did, underneath. In any event, I appreciate the potential heads up and information. Keep up the great content.

[@smoak666]

Same. Solid mower

[@kerigpope]

I myself just had this HRN216VKA delivered yesterday and I just unboxed it today. Heck, I haven't even put in the gas or oil yet. I then saw this video tonight and my heart sank. I hope I didn't make a major mistake. 😖 In my purchase research I knew some people had experienced premature belt issues, but I chalked it up to users who don't maintain their machines properly, which is something I plan to do-my previous mower died because of a lack of caring for it. But at $500 for a replacement mower I won't be making that mistake again! In the video seeing how caked the grass was tells me that the owner didn't keep it clean, plus they most likely had the deck too low for thick, wet grass to properly mulch back into the thatch. At this point it looks like I have no choice but to use the Honda I just bought, but I'll now be extra-observant of the mowing conditions and adjust my mowing accordingly. I already plan to carefully maintain the engine with proper oil changes, filter & spark plug checks and using only treated gas for storage, now I'll be cleaning the under-deck after EACH use. Hopefully I won't come to regret my purchase, but it is nice to have that 3 year warranty that I hope I'll never need. This model is already a couple of years old and I can't imagine they'd still be getting SO MANY positive reviews if every-other one sold breaks down within a few months. 🤷‍♂️

[@KZSoze]

@@kerigpope Like I mentioned, I use it 5-8 hours a week, sometimes more. I regularly keep the underside clean, and avoid wet grass when I can. And when I say clean, I mean all I do is take a water hose to it, and clean it out. I occasionally put a bit of John Deere belt dressing on the belt. I change the plug once a season, and shake out the air filter after each full day of use. And given the hours I put on it, I change the oil once a month, and use a full synthetic 10w30 (it's cheaper than buying Honda conventional oil). I've honestly expected problems given how tough I am on it, but I haven't had a single issue, minus lubricating some squeaks. The only thing I would change is I would buy the model with the bigger motor. Although to be fair the motor (170) has not been an issue. It's also the most fuel efficient mower I've ever had my hands on. Good luck with your purchase friend.

[@rogerbamatutz1927]

I applaud your honesty and desire to help folks out. Many companies that we have known and trust have gone "CHEAP." You'd think that they would want to stay true to their reputation and keep repeat customers. Thank you!

[@arnimkrause5696]

@john smith And what makes you the expert here??????

[@gregwarren8583]

That deck is not nearly as bad as the ones I used to see in my Uncles shop. The worst were those from city dwellers. Most farmers did not use these small walk behind mowers, but occasionally I got one from a farm where the wife wanted to mow an area around the house with a hand mower, and yess even they did not cut when dry or would just let the deck get full. It takes a lot of time (especially self propelled) to clean the decks out completely. The w is rat were those with the "wash out adapters". All that did was leave a damp deck that would collect grass under it even faster! Had horrible smells, especially when mowing around livestock pens! Keep up the good informative videos. I was doing this probably before you were even born (started helping my uncle at 15, now I am 72 (where did the years go).

[@ron827]

I currently have three older Honda self propelled mowers which are still performing great.

[@jamesm8047]

Love your videos! I had a lawnmower shop from 1972 till 1990. Had tons of work, but didn't plan for the business partner getting hooked on dope, and a divorce. I had been fortunate enough to tour the factories for Briggs & Stratton, Tecumseh, and Snapper.

[@Petesworkshop2225]

The first part sounds cool!

[@cfishel15]

Wow, great timing for this video! I recently spent over an hour disassembling the underside shroud in order to remove a jammed stick. And about 20 minutes of that repair was spent trying to get one bolt to line up with a T-nut that could not be held in place. Talk about frustrating!! A few days later, I decided to disassemble everything again in order to Loctite all of the nuts and bolts to keep them from vibrating loose. And that ridiculously inaccessible T-nut? I epoxied that sucker back in place! LOL!

[@ohiomike204]

I've owned a Honda self propelled mower for about 8 years and it has ran flawlessly-started first pull 99% of the time. Then the issues started....the dreaded exhaust valve sticking. My local Honda dealer wanted to put a new motor on it!! I got the valve unstuck by spraying it with carb cleaner and working it in and out. It ran for a short time after until the rocker arm broke and the guide came out. I tapped the guide back in and replaced the rocker arm. I peened the area around the guide, so hopefully that will make it last a while longer. Thank you so much for your videos; they are very informative.

[@selewachm]

Thank you! I love my old Honda walk behind. Bought it on Fathers Day in 1996. Still going strong. We retired to a more rural area now I have a zero turn mower. Love it! The Honda is doing trim work. Love your videos.

[@johnnymontgomery4510]

Hey Chickanic! Good information and as you stated it is about that particular model. I personally own a Honda HRX 217 VKA 190 cc that I’ve had for more years than I can remember and have definitely put it through it’s paces living here in Oregon with our wet climate. Yes, I do my own maintenance and keep up on it and have never had a problem. Personally I swear by Honda but even the best can fail now and then. Keep up the great videos they are very informative.

[@montgomeryfitzpatrick473]

My HRX 217 is going on 3. Glad to hear they last

[@whereisthedollar]

@@montgomeryfitzpatrick473 My HRR216 is going on 8 years. No problems. I do blow it out after every use and clean under deck. DIY. Oil change, filter, plug every year and new blades every other year. I guess with Honda ending mower production they didn't really care as much on this unit.

[@smokeycanuck8058]

The HRX is a Hydrostatic transmission though which is different than the HRN's belt drive system.

[@ZenithClarity]

@@smokeycanuck8058 And the HRNs system sucks.

[@Tanks_Fire]

I have an HRX about 6 years old. So far so good. Change oil every spring and plug and keep filter changed during season and run 93 non ethanol gas only.

[@dudekanic]

This line has been coming in the last year. Until then every Honda mower has been spot on. They will straighten this out, might take a year or so, but they'll get it right.

[@rods.3245]

@@dudekanic Hey Ron, Are these machines not covered under warranty? I advise people not to buy any new equipment. It's all junk in my opinion unless you're gonna spend big money.

[@dudekanic]

@@rods.3245 Yes they would be, however, the Honda dealer here has been 6 months out, so we are faster.

[@Genesis.1-1]

I bought a Honda walk behind 8 years ago and went to check underneath after watching your video. I check before each mow for caked grass/debris underneath but have never really had any issues with that issue. The opening above the blades a little different but not exactly like the model you demonstrated. Looks like I'll be checking this more closely in the future. I've never had any issues with the mower at all. It cuts really well and still starts on the first pull. It's the only pull start lawn equipment I have that my wife can start by herself. Really appreciate your video and taking time to share your knowledge and experience to educate us. Thanks from a new subscriber.

[@bradystalbaum2392]

Great info love that you put it out to the consumer. We need more honest shop owners like you! Thanks CHICKANIC

[@theamaturepro]

I had a lawn care business (I'm now on your side fixing them instead of braking them) and I bought a HRN because I couldn't quite afford an HRX. It almost lasted a season. I don't recall the drive system having problems, but the wheels literally fell apart. The plastic hubs cracked and the tread actually came off and I couldn't get a simple replacement wheel! I also had issues with the governor, but that's fixable. I bought an HRX and love it. Haven't had any problems other than the coil somehow got out of adjustment.

[@jamespeacock7202]

Morning Ms. Bree, I have one from 2019 fall time line i bought from home depot. Less than 10 hrs on it Stopped from rolling backwards. Wheels would slide. Found out this was a common problem. Sand or grit would get into drive system and thats it. Fixed problem by purchasing a self propelled snapper ninja. All good now

[@josephpuchel6497]

Hey I recently picked up a Snapper commercial 21” with Kawasaki motor. It was Free and only needed a coil.

[@jamespeacock7202]

Great. Nice find.

[@qjc21]

Thanks for the information. My 13 year Toro took a dump last week was actually going purchase this Honda mover in the next few days but I guess I’ll just go Toro again. Thanks again.

[@frankl1024]

Buy it,,,,, it is a good mower. I’ve had mine two years now and works well. Just clean and maintain it and you won’t have the issues presented in this video. I think these issues were owner neglect and miss use, as well as not maintaining and cleaning.

[@THEMOWERMEDIC1]

Awesome advise as always! I’m guilty of mowing damp grass but I clean the mower when I am done

[@johnmicheal3547]

I don't. Tge old protect from the new.

[@haneyoakie14]

Sometimes you have to mow wet grass. If it rained last night, and is sunny today and rain is forecast for next 3 days, and you are going out of town 4 days from now, you better cut today or you will need the hay bailer next week.

[@janicegipson4691]

If I only mowed dry grass, I could only mow in August, maybe a couple weeks in July, lol. Grass would be up to my shoulders & still wet at ground level - you do the best you can, hope for a couple ‘dry’ days before the next storm....

[@garywells7646]

I’m with you! Take a few minutes to wash the deck out after mowing will save you a lot of headaches

[@jimyoder6594]

You’re in a unique position, so your advice is extremely valuable. Keep it up!

[@stereofreakdude]

I had a Murray mulch mower I bought in the late 80s. It lasted well over 10 years. I moved and gave it to my brother. In less than a month, he broke it by going head on to a metal piped metal sprinkler head. He bent the shaft and at high speed it wobbled from being imbalanced. Some people just have the Midas touch in reverse

[@joesmucker8012]

My wife keeps asking me why I fix my old equipment instead of buying a new one. Mfg's try to build new products as cheaply as they can year after year, more plastic, thinner metals, and lower costing castings... It's not just lawn equipment its everything these days. A example - plastic bearings in a rotatory beater brush on a vacuum..

[@tomgrams2333]

Controlled obsolescence

[@lonhoschar1943]

I appreciate your honesty!! That's one of the reasons I watch your videos. I agree, or did, with Honda mowers being the best in walk behind mowers. But.. like everything else, I guess they've started cutting corners. The old ones with the cast aluminum deck and the three speed trans. were the best.. They were reliable and would mow for days on end with nothing more than gas and occasional oil change. I bought two of these, used, from a lawn service. Re-sold one and mowed with the other for several years with no problems. It still runs but needs some new tires.

[@ronanderson1816]

Thank you and well advised! I have used and purchased many mowers over the past 70 years around (30), and consider that older Honda mowers were good, however there were many other good ones. All the mowers I used and purchased were well taken care of and maintained. I liked the 2 stroke Lawn-Boys' the best, because they were simple, reliable and easy to repair. On the 4 stroke engines I used quality oil, changed it often, and used 2 oz. of oil per quart, additive like Prolong. I don't recall ever wearing out an engine I have bent many a drive shafts by hitting a rock..

[@boosted2.4_sky]

And that is the key ...knowing your equipment at home and servicing them regularly will go a long way

[@janetyeoman1544]

I picked up a used commercial Lawn Boy with the red wheels. Light and powerful , starts first pull, great for steep ditches. Using 50:1 oil, no visible smoke.

[@paulne1514]

I have half the years you do, but have only purchased 2 mowers. Both Briggs & Stratton motors. The only parts I ever had to buy were spark plugs, a couple of air filters and 1 coil. Mowers stay outside(no shed or garage)

[@marvinmagruder1067]

I purchased a Husqvarna 435 chainsaw new. I had it for about three years. It ran really good. I never put too many hours on it, I would guess 15. Went to start it and couldn't pull the rope. Something fell apart inside the case. I could rock the crank back and forth about a quarter of a turn. I junked it and said I will never by Husqvarna product of any kind again.

[@timraber6575]

I have been using a Toro easy store, rear wheel drive for the last five years. I have replaced the belt once and had a new transmission installed last year. I looked at the Honda, but the price was $200 over the Toro. It’s mowed several hundred yards. And I do mow wet grass, but I keep it cleaned out. And its so easy to start.

[@wb2194]

I've been using the Honda HRX for over ten years and the only issue I've had was with the pull cord. I do change the oil, plug, air filter and blades once per year. I use the mower approximately one hour per week from April to September.

[@bucsfan0077]

I have the same model and have been using it over 12 years. I think the HRX is commerical grade and that makes the difference.

[@foreverandaday8185]

Some people don't have common sense. The look of that mower simply shows the laziness and carelessness of the operator.

[@JeffinTD]

That would be one of the shaft drive self propelled ones?

[@MrLuigi-oi7gm]

@@bucsfan0077 Hi Fry, The HRC line is Honda's commercial line. HRX is not rated for commercial duty.

[@jcsmith9518]

Wow! Surprised by Honda putting this on the market. Hope they saw this and recalls this model. They should pay you for quality control. Great stuff. Thanks.

[@philliphall5198]

They got out of push mower because of this junk

[@haneyoakie14]

I appreciate the honest and straightforward evaluation. Honda has a great reputation and otherwise someone might think this is a good mower and get taken for a ride. Thank you! Bre Rocks!!!!

[@dagnt8145]

So glad I watched this . I was considering this exact model , never mind .

[@harm3336]

I bought mine 3 years ago. If I had known what I know now about these mowers, I would NEVER have wasted my money. Bre is correct about the amount of work involved. Everything under the mower must be removed! My mower is a HRX217K6VKAA.

[@quadsman11]

We are a small engine repair shop, as well, seeing the same things as you are ! My mechanic is a first rate fabricator ! So he made a sheet metal ring, or plate for the cover in the opening ! So far, so good ! We will see how well it works out over time ! As for the plastic parts, shame on Honda ! We may need to form a new cover for this, but remains to be seen !

[@johnhutchison9782]

Honda won't be caring at all now that they are stepping away from building lawn mowers.

[@louislandi938]

Great info! I’d get a goat before spending $600 for a push mower. I will certainly check for a guard/cover on my next mower. Takes a lot to impress me but you do it with ease!

[@BobbyS1981]

I paid $500 for a John Deere JS40 15 years ago. It has been a good mower. Had to service the carb once and replace a few parts here and there. Generally you do get what you pay for. Obviously this was an oversight on the part of Honda engineering. I would be charging back to them as warranty service, especially for that cable retention failure.

[@appleztooranges]

Lol $1k is cheap. Imagine paying $4,000 for a Honda snowblower. That’s what they cost. Look it up

[@haneyoakie14]

@@appleztooranges I get a 3 finger discount on snowblowers.

[@arnimkrause5696]

Funny that you mentioned getting a goat. A buddy of mine back years ago had 2 goats that kept his lawn cut. He would say watch where you step. You might step in goat shit if you don't.

[@klwthe3rd]

I own this mower. So the best thing to do is just NOT mow when the grass is wet?? And what about when i have to change the belt out in the future? I would love to know your recommended belt so i dont pay alot for the OEM when it's crap.

[@charleshines2142]

Your opinion is helpful. It might save me from a lot of grief from trying to get parts that are for some reason not available or help me avoid a bad design that desperately needs to go away. I am just like anyone else. I want to find a good price but not have the accursed thing breaking every time I need it. If something lasts at least 10 years that is good but I always like things that last longer.

[@kencross25]

I bought a new 2020 Honda self-propelled mower and have had no complaints. I, during the season, will pressure wash after each mowing session, i lube the cables and wheels biweekly with either WD40 or 3in1 oil. I guess I have purchased a good model. The mower still looks brand new.

[@frankl1024]

Wes, I have this mower and works great. The problems talked about in this video are operator error, miss use, and neglect, from cleaning or maintaining, Or just laziness. Lol

[@kerigpope]

This model is already a couple of years old and I can't imagine they'd still be getting SO MANY positive reviews if every-other one sold breaks down within a few months.

[@frankl1024]

@@kerigpope Exactly.

[@honeybee6578]

Thanks for the great video! I think Hondas have been living on their reputation for the past decade.

[@tonygoins7446]

I wish I had seen this video last month just bought one

[@ohmbug10]

You might be lucky by seeing this video. Perhaps you could fabricate a shield to keep debris away from the drive belt? Might save some time and expense down the road.

[@Chickanic]

Just keep an eye on it. Give it a once over when you are done making sure the debris is clear. Thanks for watching!

[@Super4speed]

I’ve used your suggested products and they have been okay!!

[@johnbereza7782]

I was just about to pull the trigger on one of these. Figured I'd poke around before clicking the button despite of the good reviews. You may hate telling us about this but dang, I appreciate it. Back to research. Thank you.

[@Treeplanter73]

What a shame, honda power equipment used to be the Lexus of power equipment. Just rock solid reliability.

[@michealadams1206]

Thanks for the heads-up girl! 😉👍

[@jimjewell9438]

I don’t like self propelled mowers. My take on most things is the more complicated they are the more there is to go wrong with them. And on the topic of wet grass, I wait for the dew to evaporate off the lawn before I mow. I usually mow just before sundown. I really hate the way grass clumps up when it’s wet. It mulches much better and it’s much easier to keep the mower clean.

[@goddesstc]

Agree totally on the self-propelled. I'd rather not have the "help" if it means belts stretching and constant adjustment, then just quits working. I need the extra exercise anyway! Can't say I don't mow wet because where I live it is still hot as hades just before sundown. So mowing early is usually my go to, even though I know it is not ideal. But I also try to keep the undercarriage cleaned out.

[@michaelmactavish4445]

i like the kubota shaft driven 21 inch mowers made solid crank shaft for hrx 2176 is $288.87 here wich pricey

[@stevieb6173]

absolutely agree , don't overcomplicate mowing , just get a honda push mower and keep it clean , the more complicated the machine the more things can go wrong

[@47f0]

Push one five or six hours a day in the Florida sun through tall St Augustine. Presumably, the people who are buying self-propelled mowers have established that they have some kind of need for that feature, and there's no reason to expect bad engineering from an otherwise reputable company.

[@michaelmactavish4445]

@@stevieb6173 lucky i wash mine and nice deck is solid plastic wont rust

[@nhgreg]

I wish I had this info 5 years ago. I have not used it that much, as we have had a lawn service, but may be using it more in the future, will keep my fingers crossed

[@richardhowe6218]

Facts are facts. I'm glad that you mentioned this!

[@wingdwolf56]

Thanks for the great advice! Fortunately, I no longer need a walk behind, all riding for me! But when I did, I never bought a Honda. Just too expensive. I still have my 25 year old lawn boy if the need arises Plus! I live in Ohio. I I didn’t mow wet, I’d never mow!!

[@Chickanic]

Arkansas is just as bad. The humidity is crazy here!

[@Richard-zc1cj]

Lawn boy mowers Rock. At least that's what I thought 50 years ago when my mom bought one. They were the only mowers that were easy to start. I made a lot of money as a teenager using that mower.

[@rvierra7235]

Thank you for this and all of the great posts you make for us. You give us absolutely great advice!!

[@mrmatt7210]

This mower should have a 3year residential warranty which would have covered all repairs and replacement of broken cable connections. Why did they bring it to an independent repair shop when the repair could have been free?

[@SuperGlacierGirl]

Could be they took one look at the mower's condition and said it's due to abuse, so no warranty. Honestly, my opinion only, but someone who treats an expensive or even an inexpensive piece of equipment like that deserves failures like this.

[@stevemamooshka3425]

INFORMATION LIKE THIS VIDEO IS THE BEST WAY TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM. Believe me, if the sales of this model drop off by 80%, the manufacturer WILL take notice and fix the issues. The only suggestion I would make is to end the video with a list of the most reliable alternatives that you know of. (You could always put that list in your description too.) If a manufacturer puts out a piece of junk, they need to make it right for EVERYONE who bought it. And if they don't, they should lose customers and sales until the problem is fixed. I used to work as a motorcycle mechanic, and I saw Honda screw over owners on a technicality. (Their warranty only applied to original owner.) I had several 1 year old bikes come in with almost $1000 worth of damage that Honda wouldn't fix. I've owned many Hondas, but after seeing that, I'll never own another one.

[@byronturnbow2189]

yep, I have same mower. big rock got lodged right there and dug a groove in the belt. It only happened that once and I've used it 3 years. I love the the mower. I'll try to stay away from rocks and wet grass

[@mikem3695]

I would be embarrassed to bring a mower with that much crud into a shop for repair.

[@Frank_W.]

Agree 100%

[@tedschmitt178]

Anyone who mows wet grass should be beaten.

[@c-qc-q2021]

If you live in a wet climate, like the PNW, your mower will look like that at least a couple times a year.

[@petersack5074]

with that much 'crud ' ? crud, you really meant PLASTIC ! ha ha send 'er back to china, COD of course.....and N O , i don't want/ nor need another junker....

[@erikeggenbakstad]

People are ignorant or/ and don't care. People are pretty much clueless about the state of their equipment. At least my experience.. The other day we got a customer wanted to serve his lawnmower. And the engine almost fell off lol. I sent him into the shop to pick up a new one..

[@robertm731]

You never disappoint! Keep up the wonderful service and the informative videos. It's a shame that our ( former ) dependable companies have not only gone WOKE but now CHEAP also.

[@tonym6920]

Well, it all comes down to maintenance. Treat your equipment casually and it will wind up the casualty. I’ve had my Honda HRN216 for over two years, this its third season, and not one problem. Not maintaining your mower can’t be blamed on the manufacturer. From the look of that unit, maintaining the Equipment is not his or her forte. Sure, maybe a shield over that area would be a good idea but even my Honda HRR216, the older version, builds up grass under the deck. Cleaning it after each use is key to a happy mower, cheers! Oh BTW, I’m one of those that cuts wet grass, usually in the morning.

[@kerigpope]

This model is already a couple of years old and I can't imagine they'd still be getting SO MANY positive reviews if every-other one sold breaks down within a few months.

[@jeffdawes9029]

She's talking about poor mower design.

[@HomeOrchard]

I have the 2020 version of that Honda series and have had zero issues with mine. It wasn’t subject to the recent recall either. It’s a no brainer to always avoid mowing wet grass without a side discharge.

[@raphaelbussy6482]

I had a craftsman mower for about 20 years, bought used from sears for 180, the thing died, not sure why or someone picked it up and fix it but wasn't me. My neighbor because he was moving and gave me his honda self propelled for 80, I always wash under the deck after every use it's been over 6 years of ownership, I just do seasonal maintenance an it start first time always. Always learning from your video's.. Thank you.

[@teekay_1]

Great video. Sounds like you'd be better off finding a 10-20 year old mower at a yard sale.

[@mikeslater6246]

This is good information and I'm glad you're willing to put out information on potentially bad equipment. So please don't take this as a criticism of any kind toward you. You didn't say whether or not you are an authorized Honda Repair Shop. That mower according to Google has a 3-year warranty. If you're not an authorized shop, why would they bring it to you as opposed to a Honda dealer to obtain warranty repair on an almost new piece of equipment? You're obviously a good mechanic, but again we're talkin about warranty here. Again, this is not a criticism of you. I watch your videos regularly. I'm just curious about this potential issue.

[@chisel83]

I doubt that’s a warranty repair, Honda would just claim misuse or something anyway otherwise they’d have to admit a design flaw.

[@mikeslater6246]

@@chisel83 that is a possibility. I don't personally know what the warranty says, I just confirmed that the period is supposed to be 3 years. My question is asked wondering if Honda is not honoring their warranty for whatever reason. And there can be an argument made that it's not misuse when they have a defect that allows it to happen on their lawnmower but other lawnmowers clearly don't have this problem. Just something that came to mind while watching the video.

[@daviddelle774]

Might be an availability thing as to why they went to her. I know that I ran into that issue with a Craftsman. The very first time I used it, it didn't run right. So, I looked for a repair shop and found that I had to take it back to Sears and they in turn, had to ship it from York, PA. to Baltimore, MD. It took over a month for them to install a new carb and ship it back to York.

[@mikeslater6246]

@@daviddelle774 yeah, a good possibility also. Just curious since I understand that Honda's car warranty is so good because they make you replace everything on preventive maintenance before it can ever go bad. This was more a statement about Honda then it is about her. As I said I watch her videos regularly and am impressed with her abilities.

[@peterlabiak1051]

My thoughts exactly. No Independent shop should be working on any equipment which is still under warranty - that's why you cannot buy parts for new mowers, duuh!

[@delseckora5327]

Great information! But you did hit the nail on the head. Mowers are not designed to mow wet grass. When something is used in a way it wasn't designed problems will arise. If you mow when it's wet the unit has to be cleaned. If not you pay someone else to do it.

[@chisel83]

The way it’s designed it allows for twigs and other debris to enter also. Wet or dry it’s a design flaw. It needs a simple shroud next go around.

[@christopherdekonstrukt444]

One state down in Louisiana. Rode across the state on I-40 from Memphis to Alma and picked up I-49 to where it ended into US 71 and crossed into Missouri on my motorcycle, September 2020.

[@davidmingues9553]

I really like and respect honesty.

[@stevejette2329]

Mine blew a seal on the axel by the transmission. Had to take ENTIRE mower apart.

[@Chickanic]

Oh no.. That stinks!

[@stevejette2329]

@@Chickanic but it was a learning time, with the immense help from "Mustie1" on you yube. Couple years ago.

[@danieldelgado8153]

I bought a Murry walk behind lawnmower from Walmart 15 years ago for 120$ My friends told me I’d be lucky if it lasted a summer. 15 years later after heavy use and never having an issue with it I gave it to a friend to use on his lawn. Always started on the 1st or second pull.

[@mrcryptozoic817]

I'm with you on Murray. I've got one which I bought in '93 that wasn't self-propelled. In about 2005 I retired it to my off-the-grid place at 8000 ft were I mow my driveway and rough yard (in the mountains). The only thing wrong is the pull rope retracter quit retracting so I drilled a hole in the top and start it with a drill, home made adapter and an 11/16 socket. It still starts every spring. I replaced it with a self-propelled Toro (2005)at home and that one too still runs and self propels itself perfectly. And both have the original spark plug! If it ever quits snowing, I'm going to take the Toro in to have it adjusted.

[@GiveMeYoSammich]

Traded in my Honda after having problems In the first week, got a ego battery powered mower instead and that was a very good move on my part because not only does it chew threw tall dewed grass but it even have lights to mow at dusk which is fancy, and after a year of using it I've had no issues with the ego besides the self propelled system could be a bit smoother but it works perfect and pulls hard, and there's typically no need for the side discharge because the amount of torque the electric mower has just goes through tall grass

[@1BobsYourUncle]

I have one as well, but mine can’t seem to handle thick Bermuda Tiff, it struggles unless I cut it way too high.

[@davidd6854]

I almost purchased one of these Honda mowers. I decided to put a transmission, pinion gears and new wheels on my hrr216 instead. Glad I did and it works like new again!

[@dagrote1]

i'm really glad to hear this about this mower. I'm just a hobbiyst, but I couldn't believe how difficult it was to perform basic maintenance on them. I just kept taking parts off while thinking I must have been doing something wrong or that I was missing some obvious other way of getting to the problem. Another problem is that the rear wheels tend to rust on to the axle and seize up. When that happens, it destroys the transmission if the owner insists on getting it to run. Taking off and replacing it with a new is another two hour nightmare, and the replacement is prohibitively expensive. No one ever opts to do it. That's why I have like three of these ophans in my shop.