Save Presets in the Kernom Ridge with Hotone Ampero Control (MIDI)

[@mark64tanner]

Now that s very cool, all the best brother. Love to all 👍✌😎

[@BlugubriousMusic]

It's no Metal Zone! Thanks for checking it out and commenting.

[@zynthio]

This is really helpful. MIDI seems so complicated to me and most guides all talk about setting up entire boards for midi and all this complicated stuff. But I’m just wanting to really use it for the kernom just like this for basic preset changing, so I can take 3 different drive pedals off my board and just get the Kernom. Thanks for this

[@BlugubriousMusic]

This note means a ton to me! Seriously. Like you I have had to sift through hours of video to figure things out over the years and when that one helpful video comes up it means so much to me... That is exactly what I was hoping would happen when I made this video. Thank you for taking time out to say this. It is not lost on me.

[@FrankTerzo]

Very cool. Thanks for sharing

[@BlugubriousMusic]

Thanks for checking it out FT

[@johnnyray8675]

Just ordered the MOHO and the Hotone controller. Be here tomorrow. Cool vid I appreciate the help. I have a question- I plan on getting an Eventide H90 soon. Can the Hotone control the presets for the Kernom and the H90 at the same time? For instance can I program preset 1 to have hi gain Kernom sound with reverb on the H90 with just one click that controls parameters on both pedals? Cheers.

[@BlugubriousMusic]

@@johnnyray8675 I am almost certain the answer to that question is yes and I think it has to do with Daisy chaining the pedals together going out of one into the other... But I have no idea how to program that as far as what to do with the hotone so it's controlling one and not the other.... Sorry I don't have better info for you

[@prepaetperformance]

Thank you so much for this video!🙏🏼

[@BlugubriousMusic]

For sure.... And thank you for saying thank you I really hope it is helping people.

[@ColourfulEnergy]

Great video, a good explanation.👍

[@BlugubriousMusic]

You are too kind CE.

[@ColourfulEnergy]

@@BlugubriousMusic my pleasure😊

[@ALEX-mh9ln]

thanks for your tutorial, i am still curious to use CC on tone ampero, because i don't manage to clarify the user experience on it. and how to configure it for sample to change button volume of the KR, (CC22). please help !

[@BlugubriousMusic]

I don't use the CC function so I probably could not do the tutorial... But blue cat audio has a tutorial on that... I think it may even be on Kernoms page

[@speedypro2278]

Man, you did a great job, thank you !!!

[@BlugubriousMusic]

Thanks for say so... appreciate it

[@BeesWaxMinder]

Can you adjust things like the volume AFTER you've already set it as a preset and called it up? Basically, can you override a preset 'on the fly' without having to save anything -just twist the knobs and something different happens from the preset that's already been called up? Thanks in advance anyone who can help me on this!!

[@BlugubriousMusic]

Yes, you can adjust on the fly. One thing to keep in mind is that the knobs are not usually 'accurate' to your presets (unless it is the most recent preset you saved). So, say you have a low gain setting and it is saved as a preset... then you raise the gain and save a higher gain preset, the current knob position is now not representing the first one... so if you go back to that first one, the gain knob is not actually reflecting the current preset... but, you can indeed just raise the gain and not save the preset. Next time you access, it will go back to the saved settings. Feel free to ask for more clarification if needed. This is exactly why I made this video! Happy to help.

[@BeesWaxMinder]

@ that's wonderful! Thank you for your explanation! Thank you for getting back to me! Thank you for the video in the first place and thank you for your swift reply! I wonder if I may ask another question? I'm gonna go for a cheap MVAVE chocolate style foot switches because I'm not 100% sure I should really get too involved in MIDI so I thought I'd "dip my toe in the water", so to speak. What cable would I need to connect a KERNOM to that kind of budget pedal board, please? I understand it would be a typeA MIDI one and would be a jack of some sort but beyond that I'm a bit lost…

[@BlugubriousMusic]

@@BeesWaxMinder I would hate to mislead you here. Me getting the Ampero was my first toe dip in the water and I only found it could do the job by asking the folks at Kernom. I can tell you that the jacks on the Ridge itself are the small MIDI which are identical to a 3.5mm headphone jack. On the Ampero end, it is the 10 pin typical MIDI... the A versus B issue is pin layout I found out, so they are not interchangeable even though they look almost identical. Assuming there is an adapter from the MVAVE 10 pin side to the 3.5mm side (which is male), I assume it would work. Shoot the folks at Kernom an email via their site... they are very helpful. I am just a garden variety user out here! Ha ha.

[@BlugubriousMusic]

@@BeesWaxMinder Quick follow-up to the last one... I think you can do either wired or wireless with the MVAVE and the wired side might work with a plain old stereo headphone extension cable... just need it to be the big headphone jack on once side (into MV pedal) and little on the other (into Ridge or whatever pedal is controlled by MIDI)... the note I just sent assumed the wireless route. Feel free to shoot me an email if you have more questions... happy to help... I feel like there is not enough help out there for toe-dippers! Ha ha.

[@BeesWaxMinder]

@ thanks as soon as it comes round I'll let you know…!

[@johnlewins2193]

Brilliant video, very clear and easy to follow, do you know if you can mix presets from the kernom in normal mode and high power mode? That would be super cool...

[@BlugubriousMusic]

I have not tried to get into those features of the ridge so I don't know the answer to that question but I can imagine it would be an easy thing to test... I may try it but if you do please let me know what you find out.

[@BlugubriousMusic]

Oh and thank you very much for the nice words!

[@johnlewins2193]

No problem, I'll give it a go this weekend and report back!!

[@johnlewins2193]

looks like getting presets in "punishing" mode is the same method (you have to enter punishing mode to access hem initially) but once you've dialled them in and assigned them using your instructions you can recall them from ampero in the usual way...sweet....@@BlugubriousMusic

[@BlugubriousMusic]

@@johnlewins2193 Do you know if you have presets in both modes if it switches modes when you switch presets? Like if 1 is normal mode preset and 2 is punishing, will it turn on and off punishing when going between the two. Not important for me, but some folks might read this and find it helpful. Cool of you to report back. Thanks for that.

[@karimgandoura6124]

Hi , which midi Channel did you get on the kernom ? I tried to connect my midi controller one control gecko on midi Channel 2 on the Ridge but only slow blue blinking on the Ridge once i send a PC number from my midi controller. Thanks

[@BlugubriousMusic]

I may not be the person to ask... I believe the default is channel one and I vaguely remember on their YT page a video on how to change channels... I think this is it, but if it is not, they are very helpful at Kernom kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZe8doWXftWrmq8

[@ricardoaxelgarciadiaz6149]

What about the latency between changing presets? How noticable it is?

[@BlugubriousMusic]

You asked a good question! I just did a test... and you have a couple of switch options in the Ampero - my presets have all been the default "Single" mode... which has been fine for me, but the preset engages when you let go of the button rather than when you press - that could be seen as latency, BUT and it is important... just to test for you, I programmed using "momentary" mode and it is instant - no latency - when you depress the button... so, no... there does not have to be latency. As far as noticable... in my latest update vid, I show there is no click/pop/noise when switch, perfectly smooth... smoother than try bypass switches actually. Hope this helps... feel free to ask more if you need

[@ricardoaxelgarciadiaz6149]

​@@BlugubriousMusicthanks for replying! I would check The new video soon. There's no latency even if you change drastically from one type of clippling to another? (For example having a preset with a light boost and recalling a new preset with a PC that has a very distorted sound)

[@BlugubriousMusic]

@@ricardoaxelgarciadiaz6149 no not at all in that way... It is instant.

[@kiddmetric]

Thanks for the video. I’m a little old school on midi. What type of cable is required to connect these devices (Mini midi to 5 pin)? Do you only need to hook MIDI in on the Kernom? Thank you!

[@BlugubriousMusic]

I actually say which cable and show a picture of it at around 11:40 in the video. You only need one and it just connects the controller to the ridge. I got my cable at Sweetwater for just a couple of bucks

[@kiddmetric]

Thank you. Sorry, I missed that bit.

[@BlugubriousMusic]

@@kiddmetric no problem it goes by fast... If you get hung up on anything let me know... I would want to help if I could. I am not an expert at all but I definitely got it working

[@AlexDD]

That helps a lot - thanks dude!

[@BlugubriousMusic]

Awesome... I'm glad. Thanks for saying so

[@persiaguitar]

Thanks a lot for this video. Is Ampero Control Footswitch USB Bluetooth MIDI Foot Controller Volume Expression 2 in1 Pedal the one I need to buy? I can see the site you provided link but I need to find the same in aliexpress I need the exact modle number

[@BlugubriousMusic]

I don't want to give you wrong advice so I'm not exactly sure how to answer that... The only amparo controller I know about is this one with four buttons... And it sure looks like the same one based on your description. As far as I can see they only make one switcher with four buttons... You could send me an email with a link to the one you're looking at and I can tell you if it's the right one in my description

[@persiaguitar]

I sent you and email and thanks for the reply :) @@BlugubriousMusic

[@riffinpeace6667]

this helped me alot thank you!

[@BlugubriousMusic]

Awesome. That was my hope. Feel free to ask any questions... I want to help if I can. I am coming up on a year with this pedal... I have not purchased another overdrive since!

[@Wadey1960CS]

Thank you for the video, I just ordered one to go with my Kernom Ridge and Kernom MOHO. Is there a specific type cable we need to hook it up to the pedals I can find on Amazon? brand new to MIDI as well.

[@BlugubriousMusic]

Thanks... A-Type MIDI... there is an image of it at 11:44 in the video... I got mine at Sweetwater. If you are going to run two pedals, I am not sure what the second cable would need to be. Don't want to lead you down the wrong path. Hit the guys up at Kernom, they are very helpful.

[@Wadey1960CS]

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!@@BlugubriousMusic

[@BlugubriousMusic]

@@Wadey1960CS For sure... I hope it works great for you... I have about 18 sounds dialed in and getting pretty proficient at tap dancing... I do not play live anymore, but man, I wish I had this back in the day!

[@johnnyray8675]

I have the Kernom MOHO and ordered this MIDI controller just because of this video! But now I’m having trouble. I’m a MIDI noob. I’m starting from scratch and just basically trying to put 4 diff fuzz sounds on the 4 foot switches. I can successfully program 1 sound under FS1 in the app, but I press FS2 in the app and try to program the second sound. It accepts the program but when I click FS1 nothing happens. It won’t switch back to the first sound I created. I can create a preset but my second preset fails. I’m trying to do all 4 sounds in the same bank. Surely I don’t need to use a different bank for each preset? I appreciate this video and I don’t mean to be a critic, but any chance you can make one with a completely blank app and no presets already programmed? You go really fast and I know I’m getting lost somewhere but I can’t figure out why. I’ve watched this video a half dozen times and I don’t know what I’m doing wrong! I’m not stupid! Help! Lol

[@BlugubriousMusic]

I would probably be best to carry on either in email or with a video call or something... I can't start from scratch as that would mean I have to delete all my own presets (because the app and the pedal's presets are linked). One thing I did note as read and reread you email is you pressed FS2 before programming the pedal it sounds like... actually pressing the physical footswitch is the last step (pun intended) in the process, so if you are starting with a footswitch as a beginning of a preset program, there is something wrong there... I assume you are using the Ampero right and not another MIDI pedal? I ask that because they don't all program the same... my email address is on my channel page... feel free to shoot me a note... not sure where you are, but I can try to help you work through it if possible. I do recall getting messed up on not giving the preset names numbers... maybe there is a hangup there. In the second half of the video, I remember doing a 'from scratch' quick program... sorry it is giving you trouble... like I said, I do not work for Kernom... I am just a MIDI noob too!

[@johnnyray8675]

@ Thx for the reply! Yeah I meant I pressed FS2 in the app to set up the PC parameters and what not before I pressed the actual FS2 on the controller to lock in the preset. Sry that wasn’t clear. But yes it is the Hotone Ampero controller, which I bought because of your video. I thought “oh this video explains it” so I’ll be able to handle the programming. Guess I thought too soon! Lol I’m sure it’s something in the app I’m not setting just right. The app isn’t the most user friendly if you ask me. Kind of jumbled mess and difficult to get familiar with. I’m going to look at it again with rested eyes tomorrow and if I still can’t figure it I will email Hotone first and then you if I can’t get resolution. Thanks for being so responsive and trying to help. Means a lot. Cheers and Happy Holidays!

[@BlugubriousMusic]

@@johnnyray8675 If the new MOHO works the same as the Ridge, we can figure this out... like I said, I would like to help if I can... really. I actually contacted Kernom to ask if the Ampero would control the Ridge because there were no videos on it. I feel a bit of pressure to help you get this working... I don't need anything (and like I said, I am not getting anything from Hotone or Kernom), but I want to help if I am able. That is why I made the video, so keep me posted please... oh, and yes, you do not have to change banks... you should be able to get 4 sounds per bank. Please let me know happens or if you need me.

[@johnnyray8675]

@@BlugubriousMusicCheers mate. Be in touch.

[@BlugubriousMusic]

@@johnnyray8675 Just a quick check in... I don't need anything from you, just wondering if you got it figured out.

[@rafstulens95]

Could you use the midi controller to change presets on the Kernon and something like the TC Electronix Plethora X3 at the same time?

[@BlugubriousMusic]

That's a good question... Because it has MIDI in and out I am almost sure you can do that but I would check with the manufacturer for sure. I am pretty new to MIDI so I don't want to give you bad information

[@BlugubriousMusic]

Correction: MIDI in and outs (Sorry... voice text)

[@mydayis5]

The KR looks like a great pedal especially with the midi capability. The only downside I can see is if you had 5 or 6 saved overdrive presets it wouldn’t appear these would be easily ’tweakable’ at a gig as you can’t actually visibly see the OD settings. But that would be asking a lot and also up the price!

[@BlugubriousMusic]

If you get the update (you can watch my other video on that) you can see and hear the difference with the way the lights blink e.g. if you adjust the preset live... say the gain knob... it blinks until it is in its 'preset' position... once there, light goes solid and any turn after that is adjusting it... then a press/hold on/off saves it if you want to... so, it is pretty tweakable. I might even say you could work that to your advantage and set up a few jumping off point presets with the express goal of tweaking them... just a thought. But check out the updated video... I actually adjust a preset in it with the update (and all new ones ship like that).

[@mydayis5]

@@BlugubriousMusic Thanks. That’s really good to know. I’m definitely moving towards purchasing this pedal! Is there any noticeable gaps when switching presets?

[@BlugubriousMusic]

@@mydayis5 I was just going to say 'no', but I did one better... if you email me just my name here at gmail (it's on the about page too), I just did a quick unlisted video switching between presets... I might make a better one later, but did not want you to have to wait if you are close to purchasing... for me, this pedal was a major purchase... not lots of funds, so I wanted all my questions (like yours) answered. Would love to help you get the pedal and have no regrets... I am not sponsored or anything and nothing to gain for me here, but they have been very good and helpful (and supportive) of me and I appreciate that and am happy to help others find them... send me an email and I will send a link. Off to bed now, so as soon as I am back at the computer, I will send it.

[@pieface8032]

I'm still struggling to preset a decent picture setting on my tv 📺😫

[@BlugubriousMusic]

Try "warm". That is an inside audio joke!

[@persiaguitar]

question: You can add only 1 preset to each bank?

[@BlugubriousMusic]

I'm not exactly sure what your question means... What I can tell you is you can put a preset on all four buttons then move up to the next four and put four more and then move up to the next four and so on... For a total of 128... It goes 1 through 4 then you push up 5 through 8 then you push up 9 through 12...

[@BlugubriousMusic]

From the website 100 banks (each bank includes 4 footswitches settings, 2 CTRL/EXP jack settings and more) That means 4 presets (one per button) per bank 1-4 then up 5-8 then up 9-12, etc.