Saved Outside the Catholic Church? Tim Staples on Catholic Answers Focus Podcast

[@bman5257]

Yes Awesome! More Trad/Ortho focused questions. These are very needed answers.

[@jordan12962]

Not really a trad question just a Catholic one...

[@catherinecox8921]

Thanks for explanation. Great.

[@goldwindsouza2959]

Thank you Tim Staples. World needs more apologists like Tim, Jimmy ..... who are logical and clear. Can we clone them😊

[@paulcapaccio9905]

Great presentation !

[@hgbitner8486]

Can you go through Romans 1-3 regarding this issue? Those chapters seem to explicitly say that even people who have not heard will still be judged for their sin, and the only hope for sinful man is faith in Jesus.

[@adelinomorte7421]

***JESUS COME TO THIS WORLD TO SAVE ALL CREATURES***

[@chrisdsouza23171]

You guys are just epic thanks Tim staples

[@hgbitner8486]

This almost sounds like we have no choice then. It comes down to whether a person *would* or *wouldn’t* respond to God’s grace, which is a disposition that it sounds like we have no control over.

[@xTheSchnitzel]

What about Boniface VIII who said in unam sanctam that it was absolutely necessary to be subject to the Bishop of Rome

[@MikePasqqsaPekiM]

Invincible ignorance is the key. I was raised to believe that the pope was the antichrist. As I got older, evidence mounted that he was, in fact, not :-) But I was under a lot of pressure from family and friends to not become Catholic. The grace of God gave me the fortitude to be confirmed catholic about seven years ago. But what if I had simply closed my eyes and covered my ears? I shudder to think about it. But God‘s love is greater than our sin.

[@c.muller9689]

This program is simply great. 😍 It solved for me my long-time problem to understand the Church's role with respect to other denominations or religions. The Church and her sacraments are necessary for salvation, as far as you know it. It's explicit in the Bible (John 15:22). Thank you so much! 👍🙏

[@joycegreer9391]

No, only belief and faith in Jesus is necessary for salvation. Nothing else. What you claim is not explicit in scripture, sure not anything in John 15:22.

[@geoffjs]

@@joycegreer9391baptism Jn 3:5 and the Eucharist Jn 6 51-58 are essential for salvation

[@joycegreer9391]

@@geoffjs Wrong. That is not the Gospel. Only belief and faith in Jesus is needed for salvation.

[@joycegreer9391]

@@geoffjs John 3:5 is not baptism. There is no Eucharist in John 6.

[@ChristianTrinity411]

As I explore the Catholic Church I wonder about the church’s official position of Protestants who sincerely believe in and love Jesus but never become Catholic. I’m not talking about liberals (practical atheists really) who pretend to be Christians, or for whatever reason seem to love having a veneer of religion. Rather, I am talking about the Billy Graham’s of the world (to use him as the archetypal example), who just never become convinced of the Catholic Church. On the one hand I am mostly sold on the Catholic Church, but on the other hand I find it really hard to believe that Billy Graham was lacking anything concerning his spiritual life or salvation (speaking in a human way of course). I could use some more detailed help concerning Protestants please🙏

[@jgutzman7]

May God bless you for considering the Catholic Church and all Catholics are praying for you to one day join! The beautiful thing about the Billy Graham question, is it's only for God to judge. If he was given (or would have been given) the complete truth about the CC being the one true Church founded by Christ, and he would have accepted it, he has nothing to worry about. Maybe he has a bit of purgatory time but he is saved. And I believe that probably is the case with Billy Graham.

[@Kitiwake]

Great observation. Did Billy Graham reject the Catholic faith or consider aspects of it has merit? Or take Abraham Lincoln. A hater of the Catholic faith who, by the end of the war, having seen the depravity of humanity and the fortitude through the practice of the faith of Irish and other Catholic Union troops under the same conditions, very much softened his views of the church. Was he touched by Grace which only comes into this world through the body of Christ, the Catholic church, before his own tragic death? Did he consider some aspects of the one true faith only found in the church and believed that they had merit? It's possible to pray that they both did so that their souls might gain eternal salvation.

[@southernlady1109]

You might look at it like this, God started The Catholic Church with His apostles. He renamed His apostle Peter (Rock in Aramaic), told him,”You are Peter, upon this rock I build My Church, forces of hell shall not prevail against her. I give YOU the keys to the kingdom of Heaven. What YOU shall bind on earth shall be bound even in Heaven. What YOU loosen on earth shall be loosened even in Heaven.” Mt 16:18-19 Jesus appointed His apostles first Pope & Priests, gave THEM His authority, instituted Sacraments and commanded them to spread His Church Infallibly to the world. Jn 1:42, Mk 3:14-19, Lk 10-16, 22:32, Eph 2:19-22, Mt 28:18-20, Jn 21:15-17, 1 Pet 2:5-6, 2 Cor 5:18-19, Jn 20:21-23, Mt 18:18, Jn 6:48-59, 1 Cor 11:23-29, Lk 22:19-20, 1 Cor 10:16-17, Mt 3:11, 19:4-6. The Catholic Church is the only place on earth The Transubstantiation occurs. The only one to possess the keys to the kingdom of Heaven-Gods authority and sacraments! Jesus actually said in Jn 6:52-59, unless we eat of His Body and drink His Blood in Holy Communion, we will have no life in us. We will never enter Heaven. I will pray for you. God bless!

[@ChristianTrinity411]

@miguel Romans 4:5

[@ChristianTrinity411]

@@southernlady1109 Romans 4:5

[@GovtWatchdog]

12:26 Does that include the sacrament of confession if one is in mortal sin at the moment before death, but repents and desires to go to confession but cannot?

[@Aryanne_v2]

Is divine revelation enough to make the "invincibly ignorant" statement inapplicable in most cases? Also, how is this idea that a Hindu can be justified before God not heretical? Is belief in Christ required for salvation or not?

[@Kitiwake]

My understanding is that If as a Hindu he never had heard of Christ and lived earnestly by his own beliefs, which places him within invincible ignorance and in a faithful way which accords with the natural law which comes into the world from God through the Church, then yes, it is possible for him to be saved. Being said, the amount of cases that conform to this standard of salvation, in my view, would be very few.

[@hgbitner8486]

According to Catholics, belief in Christ is not essential to salvation.

[@jmdsservantofgod8405]

The word church means: the called out ones…..they have faith in Jesus: who he is and what he accomplished! So anybody that takes faith in Jesus is called out….they are in Jesus’ church and are saved!

[@MillionthUsername]

Saving faith is the Catholic Faith. This is the one Faith that Christ established and is handed down in the Church to each successive generation.

[@normarosales1768]

Right. But don't deceive yourself into thinking that any other 'church' is a good church. "... for whoever is not against us is for us.." Be that as it may, why would anyone prefer to stay on the other side when Christ's church is open to everyone, which is why she is called Catholic Church?

[@bec928]

There are thousands if not millions of Catholics who believe this because they are taught it.

[@alex5308]

When you say “if you know…” do you mean If you know as in if you were told and therefore heard the truth and rejected it, or if you know and believe it in your heart and still reject it?

[@Daniel_Abraham1099]

Can you do an episode on Coegiallity and Synodality. It's always in catholic news, but Ive never seen a CA episode on it. It comes from Lumen Gentium and it is frequently attacked by reactionary trads. Is it an attempt to make synods equal to the the Pope?

[@Hotcheetos25]

Does that mean believers outside of the catholic church will get extra purgatory time? I went to calvary chapel growing up lol. I dont go anymore.

[@brucewmclaughlin9072]

Does that mean believers outside of the catholic church will get extra purgatory time? Purgatory is a fabricated lie and does not exist . Jesus is the only one who atones for and has atoned for all of your sins. The moment you die Heb 9:27 does not include any type of final clean up.

[@Catholicity-uw2yb]

Pope Pius IX stated in 1864: “Men can, in the practice of any religion, find the way of eternal salvation and attain eternal salvation.” And, in 1846, he stated: “One ought to at least have good hope for the eternal salvation of all those who in no way dwell in the true Church of Christ.”

[@hgbitner8486]

What does “cooperate with the grace God has given” mean far a Buddhist? Or a Muslim? Or an atheist? Are we to believe that the grave God has given those people is to follow false religions or deny the existence of God?

[@catholicdisciple3232]

How do you square this with your will being fixed at the moment of death?

[@Kitiwake]

What does that mean, exactly?

[@gerry30]

@@Kitiwake it means at death, there is no going back and forth in your will and if it is disposed toward's God or against Him. Death bed conversions are basically last minute changes of the will before it's too late.

[@deusvult8340]

@@gerry30Either Limbo or a long stay in purgatory

[@jennifermcminn4194]

nothing you can make that can't be made, no one you can save that can't be saved. It's easy! all you need is love!

[@trevorpeterson6068]

2,000+ Years of Tradition and Teachings > The Beatles

[@robertkimble8385]

I watched this and am still confused. He says the Orthodox churches have all seven sacraments and that grace is communicated through them, but if you knowingly reject the Catholic church you're doomed. How does the hypothetical Hindu have a better chance at salvation than a believer in Christ who is receiving all the sacraments and following their bishop (who has apostolic succession)?

[@normarosales1768]

Same thinking here. When I was much younger and naive- what about an hypothetical non-catholic who lived and died a good and holy person? As I age, the passage in the scripture that states "..no one is good..." slowly began to sink in. I began to realize the mistakes and omissions I made in my life before but failed to acknowledge them. Even my thoughts that were unholy- that makes me unholy too. Everyone sins- that is why Catholics starts the mass praying "Christ have mercy, Lord have mercy"

[@cdeep4548]

What if someone is not convinced that the Catholic Church is the true church and rejects it and it’s teachings but that person loves Jesus and follows him in daily life?

[@Kitiwake]

Doomed

[@joycegreer9391]

@@Kitiwake Hahaha! More like the other way around.

[@deusvult8340]

If they love Jesus they will see the light of the Catholic Church

[@joycegreer9391]

@@deusvult8340 If they love Jesus, they will see the falseness and corruption of the "Catholic Church".

[@deusvult8340]

@@joycegreer9391 Matthew 16,”You are Peter, you are my rock and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven and whatever you loose on earth shall be loose in heaven.” St Ignatius of Antioch (107AD) Disciple of the apostle John, Letter Smyearnyans,”Where the bishop is, let the people be, just as where Christ is, there you have the Catholic Church.”

[@tatedeschamps8578]

How about the people that don't like or even hate the Catholic Church? Or the people that left the Church? Will they be saved? I know too many of these people. God Bless them all.

[@Kitiwake]

All doomed.

[@amask99]

They're alive now, so we have to evangelize and pray for them

[@normarosales1768]

"... for whoever is not against us is for us.." Be that as it may, why would anyone prefer to stay on the other side when Christ's church is open to everyone, which is why she is called Catholic Church? They are called protestants because they are against the church.

[@clivejames5058]

@@normarosales1768 Protestants were protesting against the corruption and false manipulations within the RCC. Many of which are still ongoing particularly with the homosexually predatory and pedophile priests and the corruption of the Vatican Bank). They absolutely love the church (which is the body of believers in Christ on earth).

[@southernlady1109]

Jesus said He’s the living bread, the bread He gives is His FLESH, unless we eat His Flesh & drink His Blood, WE WILL HAVE NO LIFE IN US.If we eat & drink of Him He will raise us up on the last day. If we eat & drink of Him UNWORTHILY, WE WILL BE LIABLE & BRING A SENTENCE AGAINST OURSELVES FOR NOT DISCERNING IT TO BE THE BODY & BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST, OUR GOD & SAVIOR. Jn6:51-59, 1Cor 11:23-29 Unworthily, is if you have mortal sins, if you haven’t made His Sacrament of Holy Communion or if you’re not Catholic!

[@Kitiwake]

This is a great explanation. My take is it's possible, but unlikely, to be saved "outside" of the Catholic church, as it's only" by means of" the Catholic church can one be saved. All Grace comes into the world through the Catholic church which of the body of Christ on earth. So a deliberate rejection of the Church which is the body of Christ, said another way, it is Christ in the world today.

[@joycegreer9391]

That is only man created false doctrine. RCC is deception, a manmade religious system, far removed from the true early first churches. It preaches a different Jesus, a different gospel, a different authority than from the Word of God and the apostles taught. THE Church of Jesus Christ, His Body, His Bride is not any physical earthly church. It is the body of all true believers of all the ages from any church or no church; maybe even some R Cath, IF they can overcome RCC false doctrines and find TRUE belief and faith.

[@TheBlackToedOne]

So if I'm hearing what you are saying correctly, damnation comes not from an ignorance/passive lack of faith in God but rather the willful REJECTION of God? If this is true, then would it be feasible to say that those who did not hear of Jesus and have the opportunity to accept Him and God are for lack of a better description put in a holding pattern (not purgatory) until final judgement comes, at which time and after learning of God they must declare their final acceptance or rejection of Him, and their acceptance or rejection is what leads to their ultimate salvation or damnation? Sounds identical to what I have heard about how satan and the demons were damned. They were told of their duties in heaven and instead of accepting them and serving God they rejected God's will for them and were immediately cast out. The actively rejected God's authority and chose to do something else.

[@rappmasterdugg6825]

There are those who where never exposed to the truth (e.g. an isolated tribe) who are considered "invincibly ignorant." If you read up on that term you can understand what the Church teaches on the subject. As for those who are passive or lukewarm in their faith, see Revelation 3:15-16. "I know your works; I know that you are neither cold nor hot.* I wish you were either cold or hot. So, because you are lukewarm, neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth."

[@catholicdisciple3232]

So if I am in a state of mortal sin but am not aware of Christ, I don't go to Hell?

[@Kitiwake]

How can you be in a state of mortal sin if you don't believe? In my view if you heard about Christ and you choose not to believe or at least try to investigate, no hope for salvation.

[@cdeep4548]

So it’s been 10 months since my comment and nothing. So I’ve come to this conclusion and someone tell me if I’m incorrect. Okay here I go haha. So if a person is convinced that their religion is the right religion and lives to the dictates of there conscious following the Grace God has granted them, they can be saved. Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, Non Catholic, JW, Mormon, Atheist etc etc. Now the caveat is that although this is possible, the chances of someone living a life of perfect charity, following there good conscious and Graces God has granted them; is improbable. So then here’s my question. Why overemphasize the possibility of salvation without over emphasizing the probability of salvation?

[@MillionthUsername]

Invincible ignorance is very hard to achieve on account of the fact that the person would have to move Heaven and earth to try to find the truth but then fail "through no fault of their own." The very idea is set up to fail, yet logically you do have to allow it at least as a possibility, but as you say this should not be treated as any probability. The other point is that even if a person qualifies as invincibly ignorant of the gospel, Jesus, the Church, etc., this does not get them off the hook for their sins! They would have to ALSO live a moral life as they are desperately yet fruitlessly (seemingly, as this speculation would have it) searching for God and truth. Is this even possible? Christians typically fall into sin after baptism - and thankfully we have the sacrament of Confession to restore us to God's grace - but what does the hypothetical person who has no knowledge of Christianity have? If they are truly seeking God in their own 'ignorant' way, then one would expect that God would lead them out of this situation by sending them a missionary or an angel, etc. If they are not getting this from God, then one might conclude that this absence of help is already a judgment against them. This is the problem with speculation even if there is a logical basis to it, you just can't know what's going on as it is a mystery between that person and God. I don't think it's our job to fret over such things, but to live out and preach the gospel as best we can.

[@brucewmclaughlin9072]

Romans 1:20,21 Acts 4:12 Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, Non Catholic, JW, Mormon, Atheist etc etc. None of these depend on Christ( alone ) for salvation.

[@johng.7560]

In Ad Nausium, Pope Pompous said "No one comes to the father except through a catholic priest".

[@paulcapaccio9905]

You had better listen

[@rhwinner]

Catholics: 'I found the One True Church!' Protesters: 'I found the 50,000 true churches!'

[@joycegreer9391]

How ignorant. There is no ONE true church on earth, and 50,000 is an extreme exaggeration. In that case, your one true church is actually 200,000+ churches. FYI--The only protestor was Luther.

[@Jacob-cz4rq]

more like 70 churches in protestantism since data for 50,000 numbers counts every church congegation and synod as a church

[@johnalexis8284]

is that the bumper sticker on your car?

[@ScootTooner]

@@joycegreer9391yes there is a one true church in earth

[@joycegreer9391]

@@ScootTooner In earth? Where would that be located? Of course there are parts of the one true church on earth, not of any one name/church association.

[@palomarecasenssanchez-meji2763]

You can't allege INVINCIBLE ignorance with a Catholic Church down the street. 🙂

[@danocinneide1885]

Can you please discuss the following... The idea of Christian denominations is not a Christian idea... thanks

[@davidstamburski9487]

This kind of teaching was not around prior to Vatican 2. I challenge you on that..

[@thescoobymike]

I reject the Catholic Church and when Virgil brings the next great Poet down I'll tell him to come join us

[@archangel_metatron]

Paul said the end cannot come until their first comes a falling away. This was the Protestant Reformation. 1 John 2:18-19 states that those who went out from the church are Antichrist.

[@archangel_metatron]

Did you know that speaking evil about the Catholic church is blasphemy of the holy Spirit and will never be forgiven men not in this life nor the next?

[@thescoobymike]

@@archangel_metatron well I guess it's too late to take it back then

[@archangel_metatron]

@@thescoobymike the apostle Paul persecuted the church and it was his Thorn in the flesh that he spoke about. He could have had more Glory if he hadn't. Heaven isn't in some other dimension somewhere it's in the future.

[@thescoobymike]

@@archangel_metatron so Paul will never be forgiven?

[@Regular_Pigeon]

if you can be saved outside the church, what's the point of being in the church. when you're a practicing catholic, you can never be catholic enough. once you leave, you somehow are still a counted member. what must one do to be taken off the global counter of catholic church membership? defile a eucharist and be excommunicated from your bishop?

[@johnyang1420]

Chances are slim to be saved outside the Catholic church. Thats why.

[@thegreatrestoration6784]

@@johnyang1420 There is No Salvation Outside the Church. The Catholic Faith is necessary for Salvation.

[@gerry30]

@@johnyang1420 Chances are null outside the Church, chances are slim inside the Church. Luke chapter 13 on the narrow path. You have to agonize over your salvation, most who try won't get in.

[@paulcapaccio9905]

You didn’t listen

[@clivejames5058]

@@thegreatrestoration6784 There is no salvation outside of Christ. Christ is necessary for salvation.

[@hgbitner8486]

But “no one seeks God”

[@josephcade3541]

What the POPES say about Change !!!! You must have the true Traditional Catholic Faith. There is nothing Confusing about this !!! Pope Eugene IV, Council Florence, Cantate Domino, 1441 : therefore the Catholic Church condemns Rejects excommunicates and declares to be outside the body of Christ which is the Catholic Church whoever holds opposing or contrary views. Pope Pelagius II, Quod ad dilectionem, 585: If anyone however either suggests or believes or presumes to teach contrary to this faith, let him know that he is Condemned and also anathematized, excommunicated, according to the opinion of the Fathers.. Pope Eugene IV, Council Florence, Cantate Domino, 1441 : therefore the Catholic Church condemns Rejects excommunicates and declares to be outside the body of Christ which is the Catholic Church whoever holds opposing or contrary views. Pope Pelagius II, Quod ad dilectionem, 585: If anyone however either suggests or believes or presumes to teach contrary to this Faith, let him know that he is Condemned and also anathematized, excommunicated, according to the opinion of the same Fathers. Pope Gregory 16th, 1831 - 1846 : let nothing of the truths, that have been defined be lessened, nothing altered, nothing added, but let them be preserved intact in word and meaning !! Vatican Council of 1870 session 3 chapter 4, part 13 and 14 EX Cathedra -- for the doctrine of the Faith which God has revealed, is put forward not as some philosophical Discovery capable of being perfected by human intelligence, but as a Divine Deposit committed to the Spouse of Christ to be Faithfully protected and infallibly promulgated, hence to that meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by Holy Mother Church, and there must never be any abandonment of this sense under the pretext, or in the name of a more profound understanding. Pope Leo 13 - Satis Cognitum # 13, 1896. You are not to be looked upon as holding the true Catholic faith if you do not teach the Faith of Rome is to be held. Pope Pius10th syllabus, condemning the errors of the modernists 1907 article 62 : the proposition the chief articles of the Apostles Creed did not have the same sense for the Christians of the first stages as they have for the Christians of our time is hereby condemned as erroneous. St John of the Cross, 1591 wherefore if there be revealed to us anything new or different we must in no way give consent to it not even though it were spoken by an Angel. St. Thomas Aquinas doctor of the church 1274 all those who deny one Article of Faith regardless of their reason are by that very fact excommunicated. Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence Session 8, 1439 - Ex Cathedra - Whoever Wills to be saved before all things it is necessary that he holds the Catholic Faith. Unless a person keeps this Faith whole and undefiled without doubt He Shall Perish eternally. Pope Leo 13th, 1896 the practice of the church has always been the same as is shown by the unanimous teaching of the Fathers who were want to hold as outside Catholic communion and alien to the church whoever would recede in the least degree from any point of Doctrine proposed by her authoritative magisterium. Council Florence session 11 February 4th, 1442; Ex Cathedra; the Holy Roman Church condemns reproves anathematize has and declares to be outside the body of church which is the Catholic Church whoever holds opposing or contrary views. Pope Saint Leo the Great, Doctor of the Church, 440- 461 A.D. - the faith shall never vary in any age for one is the faith which justifies the just of all ages it is unlawful to differ even by a single word from Apostolic Doctrine. Pope Leo 10th, 5th lateran Council, session 8th, 1513 Ex Cathedra, and since truth cannot contradict the truth, we Define that every statement contrary to the enlightened truth of the Faith is totally false and we strictly forbid teaching otherwise to be permitted, we decree that all those who cling to erroneous statements of this time, thus sowing heresies which are wholly condemned should be avoided in every way and punished as detestable and odious Heretics and infidels who are undermining the Catholic Faith. Saint Athanasius,died 373 AD. God's word is one and the same in the doors forever unchanged always the same. Pope Pius 9th, Qui Pluribus I'm, faith and religion November 9th 1846 paragraph 20, Never Cease to instruct all men in it, never tolerating and letting pass anyting which could in the slightest degree defiled the purity of this Faith !!! With the same great strength of Mind Foster and all men their Unity with the Catholic Church outside of which there is no salvation. Pope Saints Sixtus, 3,432 A.D. Nothing new is to be allowed for nothing can be added to the old look for the faith of the elders and do not let our faith be disturbed by a mixture of new doctrines. St Vincent of Lerins, 445 A.D., all novelty in Faith is a sure Mark of heresy. Saint Paul Cried Out aloud again and again to all men to all times and to all places that if anyone announces a new doctrine let him be anathematized excommunicated. Ecclesiastics 18:5 - Nothing maybe taken away or added. Pope Pius X, 1903-1914 A.D., Oath against Modernism - And so I retain most firmly the faith of the Fathers and shall retain it until the final Breath of Life !! Regarding the certain Gifts of Truth, which is, was and will, always be, in the succession of the episcopacy, from the Apostles, But not so that what may seem better and more fitting according to each one's period of culture, may be held, but so that the absolute and immutable truth preached by the apostles from the beginning may never be believed otherwise, may never be understood otherwise !!! Galatians 1:8 - but though we are an angel from heaven preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you let him be anathema excommunicated from the church Proverbs 30:6, add nothing to his words lest you be reproved and found a liar. St Thomas Aquinas, Doctor of the church died 1274 A.D - Our faith is identical with that of the ancients. Deny this and you dissolve the unity of the church !! we must hold this for certain that the Faith of the people at the present day is one with the Faith of the people of past centuries !!! were this not true then we would be in a different Church then they and literally the church would not be one !!! Saint Cyril of Alexandria, Doctor of the church died 444, A.D. - for it is not allowable for anyone to change even one word, nor allow one syllable to be passed over mindful of the saying : past not beyond the ancient bounds which thy fathers have set !!! Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum (# 9)June 29,1896: Can it be lawful for anyone to reject any one of those truths without by that very fact falling into heresy ?!! without separating himself from the Catholic Church ? Without repudiating in one sweeping act the whole of Christian teaching ? For such is the nature of Faith that nothing can be more absurd than to accept some things and reject others !!! But he who dessents even in one point from divinely revealed truth absolutely rejects all the faith, since he thereby refuses the honor God as the Supreme truth and the formal motive of Faith. Pope Leo XIII,Satis Cognitum # 9, June 29,1896: the Catholic Church found it on these principles and mindful of her office has done nothing with greater Zeal and Endeavor then she has displayed in guarding the Integrity of the Catholic faith hence she regarded as Rebels and expelled from the ranks of her children all who held beliefs on any point of Doctrine different from her own. Pope Palagius II, 578-590,A.D. consider the fact that whoever has not been in the peace and unity of the traditional catholic church cannot have the Lord although given over to flames and fires they burn or thrown to wild beasts they lay down their lives they will not be for them that crown of faith but the punishment of faithlessness such a one can be slain he cannot be crowned if slaying outside the church he cannot attain the reward of eternal life in Paradise. If there is a change YOU ARE NOT TO SUPPORT IT OR embrace it IN ANY WAY !!! There is no confusion unless you're a heretic and belong to the vatican 2 fake church, there is no confusion for true Catholics.The teachings of the church are simple and clear. Nothing is to be changed !!!!! Nothing !!! If you disagree with this your excommunicated from the church you no longer are Catholic you no longer have a Father in Heaven or a Mother !!!! For Teachings on a Traditional Catholic Church see “the Most Holy Family Monastery” on their website by the diamond Brothers. She also “God's Catholic dogma” on the website. These are the only two places in the entire world you can go to for traditional Catholic teachings. Warning ⚠️ do not ask the opinion of any “Vatican 2 priests” they hate with a passion these two websites, they are sworn enemies. Because the Most Holy Family Monastery and God's Catholic dogma websites expose the Vatican II church for all its evils. Do your own research.

[@southernlady1109]

Jesus Christ established His One Only True Apostolic Catholic Church, Clergy, Doctrine, Sacraments & Teachings, with His apostles, in 33AD, before His Passion. He appointed them leaders, Peter as Head, gave him The Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven(His authority, power, Doctrine). He taught & prayed for everyone to be His One True Church, His Bride, receiving His Sacraments, Doctrine & Teaching. Jn 1:42, 21:15-17, Mt 16:18-19, 10:1-4, Mk3:14-19, Eph 2:19-22, 1 Cor 12:28, Acts 20:28, Lk 22:28-32, 1 Pet 2:6-9, Eph5:22-33, Rev 22:17 Jesus commanded us to defend His Church & Faith. Eph 6:10-18 His Catholic Church is the pillar and foundation of truth. 1Tim 3:15 Jesus rebuked the Pharisees and Scribes for making their own versions of His Church, Doctrine and Teachings, like all other Christian Churches & other faiths have done. They can’t receive His Sacraments. They don’t receive His Doctrine, Scripture, Gospel or Sacred Traditions; they receive heretical men’s versions of Gods. That’s like telling God you think your way is better. Mt 23:1-39, Lk 11:37-54 Remain in His Church, Doctrine & Gospel, Scripture & Sacred Traditions, or you don’t have Him-2JN1:9, 2 Thess3:6-16, Rom16:17, Heb 13:9, Gal 1:6-9, 2 Cor 11:3-4, 2 Thess 2:13-14, Jn10:16, 17:20-26, Eph4:4-6 Receive required Sacraments for salvation-Jn 3:5, Act 22:16, 2 Cor 5:18-20, Jn 20:21-23, Mt 18:17-18, Jn 6:51-59, 1 Cor 11:23-29, Eph 1:13, 2Cor 1:21-22, Mt19:4-6, Col 3:17-19, 2Cor5:20, 1:25-29, Lk22:28-32, Jm 5:16, Lk10:34 are a few pertinent verses.

[@Ozwald214]

Are you stating a practicing protestant or Jew or Muslim who rejects the Catholic church...receives Christ grace and is saved?

[@paulcapaccio9905]

Your answer is in your question

[@LWNightmareSheriff]

Not "is saved"- but could be, at least for the protestant.

[@hgbitner8486]

It’s not “whoever *would* believe in him” will have eternal life. It’s “whoever *believes* in him”. John 3:16 ““For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.” ‭‭

[@deusvult9837]

At best a partial explanation. How can you treat this subject without reference to the natural law, a reflection of the eternal law of God, implanted in every human heart, Catholic or not? Christ’s grace in a non Catholic person who tries his best to follow the natural law in his life will surely save him.

[@normarosales1768]

1 Cor 10:16-17 St Paul asks Catholics and protestants: Brothers and sisters: "The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ?" Catholics answer: Amen, it is indeed the blood of Christ Protestants: No it just symbolic. "The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?" Catholics answer: Amen, it is indeed the body of Christ Protestants: No, it just symbolic. Protestants have a good chance of salvation if Jesus was just kidding when he said "..."Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you". Notice the repeated words "amen", "amen" ? He didn't seem to be kidding.

[@paulcapaccio9905]

Why would anyone gamble with eternity ? Get on board with the Catholic Church ! Stop playing games.

[@joycegreer9391]

Yes, why do you gamble with eternity by listening to men, by following manmade doctrines and manmade traditions instead of learning and following God's Word for yourself? You are playing games by trusting in your church, the men of your church. That will not be an excuse. You will be held personally responsible as is every person.

[@paulcapaccio9905]

@@joycegreer9391 the Church is not man made. Christ instituted the universal Catholic Church and the sacraments. To be a Protestant is to cease to be steeped in history.BTW. THR BIBLE US A CATHOLIC BOOK.

[@joycegreer9391]

@@paulcapaccio9905 ALL churches are manmade. Jesus did not institute any church. To be a Catholic is to ignore true history and believe the lies of Catholicism. The Bible is GOD'S book, not your church's book, heretic.

[@joycegreer9391]

@@paulcapaccio9905 Totally wrong. You are deceived.

[@JesusfoundedCatholicChurch]

@@joycegreer9391 ALL non-Catholic churches are UNBIBLICAL and man-made. Jesus Christ never founded or had anything to do with their founding. It was man, due to the deceptions of Satan, that started the heresies of Protestantism. I spent almost my entire life is Protestantism. From 1967 until 2019 when Christ led me away and showed me the truth in Catholicism. The disciple of the Apostle John first called the Church, the Catholic Church early 2nd century just before he was martyred for the Christian faith. Show me any non-Catholic prior to 1517 that was a Christian Martyr. There are none. St Augustine, who lived during the 300s and 400s, is quoted "I would not have believed in the Gospels if it wasn't for the authority of the Catholic Church who moved me " The Church from the Bible is from God. That church has the Holy Spirit leading it in truth. It will remain with the Catholic Church until the end of the age.

[@archangel_metatron]

Was Lazarus Catholic? 19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’ 25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’ 27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ 29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’ 30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ 31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

[@Kitiwake]

If he's in heaven, he is now.

[@macbride33]

What are these invisible graces and sacraments outside the Church you mention? That just seems haphazard and a little careless...based on all tge explicit commands Jesus taught the apostles. And he commanded them to teach future disciples to observe all that he commanded.

[@Catholicity-uw2yb]

ST. POPE JOHN PAUL II: “The universality of salvation means that it is granted not only to those who explicitly believe in Christ and have entered the church. Since salvation is offered to all, it must be made concretely available to all. But it is clear that today, as in the past, many people do not have an opportunity to come to know or accept the Gospel revelation or enter the Church. The social and cultural conditions in which they live do not permit this, and frequently they have been brought up in other religious traditions. For such people salvation in Christ is accessible by virtue of a grace, which, while having a mysterious relationship to the Church, does not make them formally part of the Church but enlightens them in a way which is accommodated to their spiritual and material situation. This grace comes from Christ; it is the result of his Sacrifice and is communicated by the Holy Spirit. It enables each person to attain salvation through his or her free cooperation.”

[@dannisivoccia2712]

The Catholic Church was not crucified for our sins.

[@MillionthUsername]

Neither were you. And neither were you appointed by Christ to teach the one Faith to all nations.

[@dannisivoccia2712]

@@MillionthUsername The Word of God teaches what I said.

[@Jolomon]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@MillionthUsername Are you denying the obligation of all Christians to preach the gospel?

[@MillionthUsername]

@@Jolomon No, but we are obliged to preach the true gospel.

[@polythenewrappedme6102]

Ephesians 2:8-9 applies. Salvation is by grace not by good works lest any man may boast. Protestant believers are assured salvation by trusting in the word of God, (for God does not lie) by belief and repentance. All fake religions, including Roman Catholics, Mormon, Jehovah's Witnesses, Muslim, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh, etc. are all religions preaching salvation by good works. The problem with this teaching is no one's good deeds will delete their bad deeds. Scripture says no liar shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven (in 1 Corinthians and Revelation) and the fact everybody lies, means we ALL are destined for Hell. This is why St Paul says for all have fallen short of the grace of God. Helping old ladies across the road, does not alter how many lies we have already told. The only way is to be forgiven, so that God wipes the slate clean. You cannot bribe God with good deeds. Sadly if we take lust as adultery in the heart (says Jesus) and hatred as murder (says the New Testament) then I am ashamed to say I have broken all 10 commandments given to Moses. I need God's forgiveness, just like everyone else. I have several issues with the false doctrines of the Roman Catholic church. I think it unwise to worship Mary. Mary is not part of the Trinity. Jesus teaches to pray to our Father in Heaven. St Paul writes the only intercessor is Jesus. To pray to Mary and the saints is a contrary biblical teaching. The Catholics add 7 false books to their bible. You have 73. We have 66. You delete the second commandment given in Exodus 20, not to make a graven image and not to bow to it. The reason being you all worship idols ! I see you bow to the statue of Mary, and kiss her foot. Purgatory is non biblical. Luke 16:19-31 clearly shows there are only two places after death, Heaven or Hell. Protestants only use scripture, not all the rubbish man writes. We teach only God alone can forgive sins, not priests. Indeed, Catholics are so far removed from the teachings of scripture, everyone else a) thinks you are false, b) don't consider you as Christian, and c) ponder whether you are lead by Satan.

[@vanzealotbush2244]

You are judgmental and your belief is twisted. True Christians love their fellowmen, Christians and non-Christians alike. So you are not a true Christian. Matthew 7:2 says, "Do not judge or you too will be judged. You will be judged in the same way you judge others. The measure you use for others will be the same measure that will be used for you. You believe in the lies of protestantism. I was a former protestant; been there, done that. I know how it works. I was a lutheran, then a pentecostal before I decided to follow the truth. I did my research for years using both secular and non-secular sources. Now, I can conclude that the Catholic Church is the one true Church and your protestant churches are the fake and man-made ones. No offense intended although you are very offensive but it's the truth. You're like a charcoal or a pot calling the kettle black. Thanks however to my former protestant churches because they were the reason why I contemplated and researched Christianity thoroughly until I found the truth that would set me free. I was restless back then; I felt like there was something missing that I could not decipher what it was. The thousands of protestant churches could not be real as there was only one church that Jesus foounded in Matthew 16:18. But no worries man, all your questions, allegations and misconceptions about the Catholic Church will be answered if you take time to research. Try to watch and listen to "Catholic Answers" program in youtube and radio. Also listen to former protestant pastors and theologians turned Catholic. The likes of Scott Hann, Keith Nester, CS Lewis, and many others. You can search them in youtube or facebook. For sure they know their protestant faith better than you do because they're theologians and pastors. God loves you. And I will pray that he will condone your blasphemous words and that you be enlightened.

[@joycegreer9391]

So true. God bless you.

[@landaikajong1583]

Protestant started centuries from the core foundation of the church.The Roman Catholic.The way you talk is like a blind man walking on a thread. Blind to the TRUTH. I m VERY SORRY for YOU.

[@bngr_bngr]

I hope there is a lawyer at the pearly gates.

[@normarosales1768]

A woman lawyer, there is. The mother of God, Jesus's mother. She's the merciful intercessor for Her children on earth.

[@bngr_bngr]

@@normarosales1768 if there is some one at the gate it’s Peter.

[@martinfrancis3196]

So the answer to the question is yes and no!!!!??? SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!!!! SMH

[@thegreatrestoration6784]

The conciliar church is ambiguous!

[@bengoolie5197]

Vatican II seems a bit too rigid.

[@archangel_metatron]

19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’ 25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’ 27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ 29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’ 30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ 31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

[@jordan12962]

If you talk to any trad Catholic they would say the opposite.

[@thegreatrestoration6784]

Our Lady of Fatima came to CRUSH Vatican II!

[@gerry30]

@@archangel_metatron ​ Well, at the time Jesus told the parable, the gates of heaven were closed. Lazarus and Abraham were in "the Limbo of the Fathers"

[@archangel_metatron]

@@gerry30 Jesus will return after Jerusalem gets nuked by the abomination which causes desolation mentioned in Matthew 24. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who have part of the first resurrection for the second death has no hold of them. They will reign with Christ for a thousand years. After the 1000 years the rest of the Dead will be brought back to life. Then comes the end. Jesus must reign until he has defeated all of his enemies. All Power, Dominion, and Authority then the last enemy that will be defeated is death itself. Then He will return the kingdom back to God. God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent. Has He said, and will He not do? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good? God said, I will make a mortal more rare than fine gold,A man more than the golden wedge of Ophir.Therefore I will shake the heavens,And the earth will move out of her place. The Earth is Hell in the future (2 Peter 3). It gets hit by an asteroid (Revelation 9) and pushed toward the sun (Isaiah 13-13). In the future after death is defeated, an asteroid will strike the dark side of the Earth penetrating the planet deep and pushing it toward the Sun. The Beautiful and Eternal New Jerusalem will take the best of humanity and the glory of the nations to a new Earth where righteousness dwells. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie. The cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? For we know that if our earthly [a]house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as [c]a guarantee. The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

[@johnalexis8284]

Everybody in heaven and hell is Catholic? wtf?

[@gerry30]

A lot of this tortured logic in the video comes by way of von Balthazar who is the modern hero of the "Hell could be empty" fad and the Hindu or whatever who doesn't know he's really a Christian nonsense comes from the Karl Rahner school of thought. He came up with the "Anonymous Christian" nonsense. Rahner was best described by an old Jesuit as "an undeclared heresiarch." And "useless as a priest." He did a lot of damage to the Church and the faithful and Rahner made some dubious additions to Denzinger's Sources of Catholic Dogma especially about the exclusive salvation dogma of the Catholic Church

[@loganbothwell543]

The blind leading the blind....And they both fall into the pit. Jesus did not come to institute a religion, Please read your Bible.

[@Kitiwake]

In fact he did. Guess where I read that?

[@paulcapaccio9905]

You didn’t listen