Sbr & cement V marshalls primer test

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

As so many people have asked I’ll do another one soon and leave it for longer 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 let me know what you want to me test 🤷‍♂️

[@Mattlawton-ft6ew]

So brush wet cement on the back then bed it down on the mix you have on the ground leave that 3 days or longer.😉

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

@@Mattlawton-ft6ew seems like you have no idea about that video because it was exactly that it’s called PRIMMER and I’m testing it

[@shaunmorris2917]

Great video! Could you use these two slurrys to re attach loose paving slabs?

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

Absolutely it’s basically gluing them together 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@everema]

Just had indian sandstone sawn and honed laid on sand cement bed no slurry or primer on back of slabs and after a week half of them are loose. Can I lift slabs and just put sbr and cement mix on back of slabs then lay straight on the existing now dry bed? Will this stop slabs moving? Thanks,

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

Yes you can that is the best way to do it use a leaf blower or something to make sure every little bit of dust is out and re-lay the tile the same way it went in with double slurry 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@everema]

@@tidybrickslandscaping thanks for your reply. Will try it on Monday.

[@jackhopkins9618]

the driveway is looking amazing! when we getting the next video on that, soon would be nice lol!

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

Soon would be great but I’m a pack of tiles short I’ll be on the phone Monday 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@plummetplum]

I'm about to lay second half of slabs soon, what's your take on when I should stop, weather temperature wise? I've got some anti freeze type additive I'm going to use.

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

3 degrees and rising is the best temperature for cement to go off I’m not to sure about using additives ? 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@richwallwin]

Should try sbr and cement mix about 1cup of sbr and 4 cement, goes off quicker than than the ready mix primer so can’t leave it in bucket as long, does as good job just abit long winded measuring it all out

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

The Marshall’s primer you could mix in the morning and it’ll still be working just before you pack up that’s the main difference 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@richwallwin]

@@tidybrickslandscaping one of the few upsides to working in cold conditions, looking forwards to seeing the completed drive way

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

@@richwallwin I need to order 1 more pack of Cooper tiles first thing Monday ASAP can’t wait to see the finish myself . Started to take measurements for the entrance pattern I’m going for a Greek key design and it’s gonna be tough just staring at the pattern now studying it 🤯

[@richwallwin]

@@tidybrickslandscaping going to look mega, I don’t envy all the cutting though 😂.

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

@@richwallwin still staring at it 🤪

[@CowzaSoze]

SBR and cement primer wins everytime for me! Goes off much quicker which I prefer.

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

It’s good there’s plenty of choice out there all seems to work really well 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@Jo-xg6rk]

do u need a slurry primer when laying granite wall copings?

[@craigstyrin3453]

That looks absolutely mint! Im starting a driveway after Christmas and im unsure what to do. Its indian stone. Clean stone then type 1, 100mm deep of both then 60mm bed of sharp or Type 1 with a lean mix whackered on top or like you did on that job and concrete it all before paving it🙃

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

I did a driveway a couple of years ago using masrshalls magna a 50mm slab of stone and had 250mm type1 then a 50mm 4/1 sharp sand cement mix. 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 if the stone your using is only 20mm then I’d go for concrete base 150mm thick to be sure with steel. 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@craigstyrin3453]

@@tidybrickslandscaping yeah its raj green sandstone, ive read about it and says it can be used on a dway but i just dont want it to fail. Thanks for replying mate👌🏻😊

[@darrenwatters3054]

@@craigstyrin3453 it will fail, sandstone says it in the title, sand , up to you mate but not on a drive 👍

[@brickrightbuildinglandscaping]

Right ok so 🤣🤣 good test that Scott. Id just use the proper stuff but good test for the Sbr .Drive looks lush mate coming along great !! Happy new year Justin Brickright 👍

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

Hi Justin someone just mentioned about Pva too maybe Monday I’ll compare all 3 and do it again. Yeh jobs looking really nice already just lots of detail and cuts to still put in Happy new year right back at ya

[@darrenwatters3054]

What's the proper stuff then?

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

@@darrenwatters3054 as long as it’s cement-based and you can paste it that should work just fine. But proper primers won’t go off as fast as pva sbr cement based mix’s will

[@brickrightbuildinglandscaping]

@@darrenwatters3054 Sorry Darren i was referring to the purpose made primer slurry you can buy from varius suppliers. Hope thats a better explanation for you Justin brickright 👍

[@sportmurphy4392]

from what the shows the drive looks great and the picture frame by the front door. out of interest what is the name of the porcelain tiles?

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

Double boarder throughout the driveway 225linear metres of cuts ☹️. Colour wise it’s all Marshall’s symphony porcelain colours are classic grey and ivory then the cooper inset 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@andrewshering2890]

Good test mate, I would've left it for 24 hours and see which one would be harder to chisel off, keep the video's coming all best for 2021.

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

Thanks Andrew and I’m sure they both worked really well. Actually I should of done SBR too and tested all 3 Happy new year to you too 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@someblokecalleddave1]

What do you reckon to Easy Prime - is that just as good as these here you try? Loving your vids I've got to do this for the first time in a week or, don't want to mess it up and your vids have been so helpful.

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

I’ve not use that product before but apparently it’s the same thing really 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@landscapeitwithalan2471]

SBR and cement has been used for a long number of years people think is a new idea , we have used it in many different applications and is very reliable and can be mixed to any consistency it aloscan be added to the bedding mix also. good vid.

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

Yeh sbr has always been round for donkeys years and it seems to work well hopefully explained enough 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 and thanks for watching 🙏

[@justjacqueline2004]

Nice job and full of skill and craftsmanship. In an earlier and more naive life I would have put you down as a great scientist as you only want the absolute answer,of course today that is viewed as a massive insult as we are now sold out by the bucket full of Phds and MDs.So I revert to seeing you as a true philosopher,seeking truth.

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

Thanks for that Maria it’s always better to know yourself rather than someone telling you what you should know, Happy new year 🥳👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@hotdogpaul395]

Nice vid! I use sbr and cement mix for a porcelain patio I lay and for Indian sandstone. It work perfectly I find 👍🏼

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

Yeh seems to work just fine I’m glad I tested it 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@hotdogpaul395]

Really enjoy watching your work! Keep them coming looking forward to see what you do in 2021 happy new year to you!

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

@@hotdogpaul395 I’ve got a Mediterranean style garden all the bells and whistles for 2021 that’s Gona look cool too 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@hotdogpaul395]

@@tidybrickslandscaping I’ll be looking forward to see how that project finishes

[@isupalodee]

Do you water with the sbr and cement ?

[@theconqueror81]

Is a primer / slurry mix required for concrete slabs laid on a mortar bed? I’m laying Tobermore Historic

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

Concrete slabs are heavy enough never to move anyway 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@goodman8498]

Hi do you add water to the SPR what is the ratio to cement thanks

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

No water added just sbr and add enough cement to make a type paste but not to thick wet enough to spread 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@carlflay431]

Hi Just wondered, does Marshals Paving primer have a use by date on it? Had some in my shed for over a year unopened.

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

I think they do have sell by dates but it should still work a year old 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@markneilson6380]

Do one with neat SBR paint on the backs and leave to set for a week. I recently lifted 45# 600x600 granite slabs that had been been down about 5 years. The backs had all been painted with SBR and then bedded on 1:6 Cement / Sharp sand. Out of the 45 only 4 came up with 80mm of bedding mortar stuck to them. The rest easily popped up with some gentle persuasion with Hammer and chisel.

[@paulf2529]

Sbr alone doesn't work very well, adding the cement and using as a slurry or paste is the correct method. Its possible if using sbr alone for it to dry thus acting as a waterproof barrier, and reducing adhesion. The idea of a slurry is to reduce the suction of the slab to the bedding moartar but not to totally prevent it. Its basically the same concept as using a diluted down mist coat of emulsion on new plaster.

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

I’ll do another video next week and leave em down for longer and lay one without thanks for watching and discussing 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@marcusregan4815]

Thanks for the video. What ratio for sbr mix?

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

As long as it turns into a paste like material then that was about it really 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 Works really well

[@plummetplum]

Porcelain tiles look great, I'm using rendergrip for my primer.

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

Basically if it’s got cement and wet it really should just work almost a no brainer 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@barrymichaels2663]

I always use the SBR mate👍

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

Seems to work just as well 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@rameshkhanna1331]

Respected sir, What is the ratio of SBR and cement for waterproof coating on roof and Wall. Thanks for sharing God bless you long life and good health

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

I don’t think those materials are what you’re looking for you need something like bitumen 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@truelandman9336]

When’s part 3 coming mi old . Happy new year 🥳

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

Need to order another pack of cooper first thing Monday then should’ve be long after that maybe 2 weeks from now 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@Brockstonepavingpros]

Nice one Scott, good test. Be interesting to see after a week. Where was my shout out dude? 😂

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

Balls 🎾 my bad anyways I’m gonna do that one again but with sbr and pva and our primer and leave for a couple of days to do it correct that was more spur of the moment video not thought out rightly. 2nd time round I’ll have it on my mind 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@Brockstonepavingpros]

@@tidybrickslandscaping haha no worries, only messing mate. Great idea, be an interesting outcome!

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

@@Brockstonepavingpros I’ll sort it 👍 here we go any tips welcomed I’m going to do a fancy pattern on the front entrance to the drive not doing the usual small squares at a angle with triangular cuts bollocks to boring Check out the Greek key pattern looks like it could be fun and make a really cool video Timelapse the cutting and video the instal. Worked dimensions on the depth of it at 550mm by about 3000 and I’ve got the room for it. Each cut width 50mm’s same as the ivory boarder detail around the pad. Gona be a head scratcher 🤪

[@maxgoldscotland9389]

merry christmas bud ,drive looking minted

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

Cheers Max yeh it’s a proper drive that one 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@heathbland6354]

Evening Scott, I’ve got about 150 sqm in porcelain, (my first time on porcelain) how much primer would I need roughly, and how much is tub to buy?

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

Hey mate as for price I pay £30 tub as a member retail otherwise £40 you can get between 20/30m2 out of a tub. First time porcelain hey 👍 you’ll love it everyone’s the same size 🙏 5mm spacers every time and possible those clips I use they are handy bit of faffing about but good to go. Any help otherwise feel free to ask 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿. Do you have a pattern sorted

[@heathbland6354]

@@tidybrickslandscaping the slabs are 1200 x 600, so doing half bond, with a 100mm picture frame

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

Big heavy bastards then 🤦‍♂️ yeh seems to be all the rage bigger is better until you got to lift em. Might even be worth investing in some of those grobos to help lift em ? I’ll be getting some this year myself. I’m doing a double boarder atm on that porcelain driveway I’m doing it’s more cutting for sure but totally worth it when you’re driving off 🤔

[@heathbland6354]

@@tidybrickslandscaping yes I have brought 2 of them, each slab is 37kg. Thanks for the chat mate, top man 👍

[@KiB-BuildBricklaying]

Driveway looking minted mate. Are those tiles a bit thicker than your usual 20mm?

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

All 20mm double baked proper tough much tougher than your cheap porcelain at £30m2 thanks for watching 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@johnbowkett5920]

I find good old Gravity keeps my slabs down . Amazing thing , Gravity !

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

That does help old faithful and it’s free 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@stefmc4272]

That age of old question SBR or primer🙂. What would your mix be for cement SBR?

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

Didn’t really do a proper ratio just mixed until it was workable 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 sbr plus cement worked really well thou

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

My normal cement mix would be 4/1 sharp sand and yeh you could add that to the mix as well I guess 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@stefmc4272]

@@tidybrickslandscaping I use to add to the mix, but I thought working time on mortar was reduced or maybe I am getting slow in my old age😳. Now just make slurry using cement SBR.

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

Summer time it’s going to set quote quickly as the primer would be workable all day 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@jaimewilson1011]

I use sbr and cement its very good

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

You should watch this video also Jamie are use SBr on this one too. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZbGdnZ8bdhkndE

[@darrenwatters3054]

Your title says pva, not sbr ?

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

Actually you’ve got a point I should of done a vid with all 3 ? And yeh pva cement was the test. I’ll do another one Monday we’ll spotted 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@darrenwatters3054]

@@tidybrickslandscaping sbr a great product, goes rock solid, you check out ultrascape products, grout , primer, even a grout for vertical joints, so much cheaper than marshalls, or that AZPECTS crap .👍

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

@@darrenwatters3054 there’s a lot of choice these days with all that stuff I’m never trying to source the best deal just crack on with what you know 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@paulf2529]

I've used sbr and cement many times as a primer it works fine but goes off really quickly in the summer so you only want to mix small amounts. Personally I've always got a drum of sbr in the van for admixture in any cement pointing and benching drains etc so its a usefull fall back.

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

That’s defiantly the problem with that method it drys so quick the other primer good for the whole day 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@davidwinter4693]

Great video as always, I'm laying 600x x 600 porcelain half bond. Do you think 2mm spacer will be too small if so what would you recommend ( I'll be using external grout)

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

I normally go 5mil spaces for my porcelain that my friend Matty Brockstone he loves 2mm so each to there own I guess 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@davidwinter4693]

@@tidybrickslandscaping Thanks for the reply, if there's nothing stopping me using 2mm, I'll try both 2 and 5 and see what I prefer 👍

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

@@davidwinter4693 let me know how it goes 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@jamesosborne2396]

Thay driving a car on that?

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

Yep first time for everything it’s got a huge base watch the first video of the porcelain driveway installation to understand. In a nut shell the foundations are about 500mm thick.

[@jamesosborne2396]

@@tidybrickslandscaping what Marshall recommend? Only because I got asked to do one of these a while ago and Marshalls said not a good idea.

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

@@jamesosborne2396 very true they got there own brand of porcelain for driveways with a 50mm concrete base glued to the back of the slab and they wanted it laid on a flexible bed and myself and other register members mostly thought it was a bad idea so we scraped that idea and went all out bomb proof it’s 500mm thick it’s a beast the house will fall down before the driveway goes tits up 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@yoramsadot4166]

Don't be fulld he is a brilliant genius craftsmen. Yes i am geles

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

It’s it’s nice to know these things 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@yoramsadot4166]

@@tidybrickslandscaping you can't foll me i know you are architect and genius worker self employed hard working earning a living in a respectful way. Yes i am geles

[@andrewpalij4691]

Marshall primer is SBR

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

And I prefer it too it’s doesn’t go hard until it’s been used 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@jamiethomas2055]

@@tidybrickslandscaping so is the Marshall Primer a suitable alternative for SBR on sandstone then? I thought they were two different products doing two different things (both obviously after big as a bonding agent). I thought the SBR was a must on sandstone to effectively waterproof the bottom and prevent the stones sucking the water up through the mortar?

[@thanxx]

should have done one with no primer on at all :)

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

I’ll do another video next week and test without the primer and leave for longer 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@thanxx]

@@tidybrickslandscaping did you have to apply for planning for that drive?

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

@@thanxx no. But if it was like that steep one I did a couple of years ago then yes 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 pucka drive that porcelain one I’ve got the double boarder to do next week and the Greek key design at the entrance that’s gonna be tricky 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@thanxx]

@@tidybrickslandscaping you are absolutely raising the bar mate. pleasure to watch you work. a credit to the industry.

[@thanxx]

@@tidybrickslandscaping tidy,is it worth landscapers joining the FMB and are you a member and what are the advantages?

[@chisdavis9513]

I think if you mix sbr with the mortar mix it's just as good this bloke is getting paid from advertising

[@tidybrickslandscaping]

You always have to prime the tile to make it stick to the cement better and no I didn’t get paid for this only to help people 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿