Project Cars Delisting - Why They Matter to Sim Racing!

[@lakeshoresubtleties]

I loved the the tracks on the game. Road America, Oulton Park, Silverstone, Snetterton, Long Beach, Sonoma... so many good ones.

[@prostreetbeetdhd4586]

Project Cars 2 was one of the most unique racing games I had ever played. Poured many hours into it and really appreciated how it was one of the only games that did the various LMP series cars justice. Not only that it had sooo many tracks and variations. Racing was intense and I really felt slapped in the face when they changed the direction to try to attract casuals.

[@RypienGT]

I still run PC2. I play on xBox, and regularly set up two sim rigs and two consoles for my brother in law and myself. Setting up races with both of us and a grid of AI that has been tweaked to our level. Not perfect, but such good fun. Lots of different cars, tracks, and other options. Big fan of PC2.

[@danielm978]

Sounds awesome man

[@xnotasweatx]

That sounds sick

[@lilSmurf69]

🔥🔥🔥 im still loving project cars 2 in 4/02/2024

[@NEGV01]

I've literally just bought pc1 and 2 on Xbox now and I'm amazed by it.

[@Wesley-yb8nl]

Are you amazed at how the puddles and any type of weather only affects you and not the ai lol

[@tristanheron4144]

Project Cars 2 was something special, particularly on console. The only game of comparable scope is TOCA Race Driver 3, and that is sim-lite. With the way console gaming is going, I'm not sure we will see anything like it again. 😢

[@Surgicaldamage]

TRD3 was a real effort to bring 4 wheel motorsport to the PS2. GT4 and *!Enthusia!* Also smashed it. The only thing Enthusia got wrong was; no drafting physics (that I know of) it was perfect for the DFP wheel. Those three games (along with some of the rally titles on the PS2) gave care to give quality ffb. I took that 30fps trash crew 2 back to the store today, but I'll never part with them.

[@Yoshiman2024]

@@Surgicaldamage GT4 wasn't a good effort though... As a racing fan, Gran Turismo is incredibly underwelming since the racing itself is pretty bad. GT was only a good game for people who like cars, not motorsports.

[@Surgicaldamage]

@@Yoshiman2024 I don't think it was any worse than TRD3.

[@richardsracingmad]

When I had a PS4, I only had 2 games, well 3!..PCars 1, PCars 2 and GTA V. That’s all I wanted… Now I am looking at moving to PC gaming, I just bought PCars again from Steam, ( which is still for sale). Bannochbrae was pretty awesome, that last sector had the sting in the tail didn’t it? I raced a lot on that circuit…. I do have about 9 short vids of PCars 2 of which some of them highlight tyre issues! That was a shame, and I don’t think to my knowledge it was fixed on PS4. All said, PCars really is awesome from a real life racers perspective. I spent a lot of time trying to tune the Mustang 2+2 to make it better, and I really enjoyed the factor of car set up staring with a jalopy😁. I spent more time in that car than any other😆. The thing that spoiled the game was my wheel and pedals. I had a T150 which has truly awful pedals. I never got round to upgrading it, and sold it with my PS4. This time around I will focus on getting decent pedals, although the second hand market is still high prices….

[@79newtype]

Do enjoy how you explain what you like and dont like. Very awesome content from you as per usual. ^_^

[@NikRomanoRacing]

Hey, thanks for the shoutout! You're right, I'm ready to fight. With words. Too many words in too short a space.

[@ScaffsSimRacing]

Thanks, hope you enjoyed the video and many thanks for the linked one you created, it's a favorite of mine.

[@Wesley-yb8nl]

You gonna fight me with words on how the ai isn’t affected by puddles or any type of weather but it’s still a sim lol

[@connorbutters8479]

i don't think any other sim has offered the level of content variety that PC2 has, including cars and diciplines in no other game. i hope the next project cars continues what PC1 and PC2 started and that the devs also develop the casual play of PC3 into a spin off series for more casual audiences.

[@K1LLeRc0ck]

They could just continue the Shift series for more arcade oriented racing, especially now that EA owns Codemasters so they have access to the title

[@georgfranko]

I to this day still drive ProjectCARS , mostly alone nowadays as the online community is on Pcars2 but can get a small Nordschleife Cruze lobby from time to time . Driving the P1 and the Zakspeed in Pcars is what I love doing after a stressful day or when I don’t want to race competitively in ACC

[@Suave_TheArtKartel]

Folks still jump on in XBOX .. I love the game and play few times a week

[@supercededman]

Great video. Yes, Ive seen Nick's video. AWESOME, but I had to play it at 0.75 speed 😊 I first started simracing 5 years ago, aged 58, on PC2. I loved it, now play GT7 on VR, but I will have to revisit this wonderful sim. Thankyou.

[@joeofoysterbay7197]

You pushed me over the edge toward ordering it and I'm looking forward to its arrival. That's a buttload of tracks I've never gotten to drive! I wish there were a way to get the DLCs., especially the Le Mans Legendary circuit but it appears they're gone as well. I really wanted to drive that one.

[@joeofoysterbay7197]

Unfortunately my G923 doesn't work with it but I'm quite glad I got it anyway. It's a great effort but the entire team. So much fun 'stuff'!!

[@Macieldta]

It was a great time with project cars 2 I live in Texas so I got excited when I find out it has Texas Motor Speedway and Circuit of the Americas, IndyCar and everything else was a bonus for me!

[@seebarry4068]

I can understand after pc3 them not pursuing the series. But to just bin this, all the hard work that went into it, to just dispose of it is a real shame.

[@Surgicaldamage]

Now I know why I was rubbish at ferrari challenge and super car challenge. They are sims. Trying this game for the first time, I need to get used to it. The customization options are impressive and I think it will need a weekend for me to grasp it. I'm an arcade gamer at the minute, but I'm glad I got this.

[@davidschnare9945]

I was a Forza Motorsport guy before I ordered a copy of PC2 from Amazon. For a sim, It's so easy to pick up and play. They won a big fan, it's a shame that they killed the series off.

[@NEGV01]

I've been a Forza Motorsport / horizon since day 1. The new Motorsport was that bad it made me go buy a ps5 and gt7. I don't have a wheel for playstation so I just bought pc1 and 2 on Xbox and it genuinely think it's better than Motorsport.

[@k5760-t5p]

I feel lucky to have them.I bought PC1 and PC2 two years ago.Fantastic games.

[@Surgicaldamage]

Just backing up external hard drive on the old pro to make room for it and dlc etc. I'm getting PC3 aswell cos I like arcade racers and might aswell see if I can have fun with it.

[@elvish4432]

You are absolutely right! If it wasn’t for those titles and Dirt Rally with the amount of settings open like you stated… I don’t know if I would be a crazy sim racer on pc today, Biggest thanx though… would be my brother Shane for buying me my 1st for feedback wheel🤘 Butt 100% AGREED🤪

[@danardisimracing]

I feel basically the same about PC1 and 2. But for the slightly wonky ffb PC2 was/is the console sim, especially for people who like historic racing cars and circuits too.

[@CORNERSTONECITY777]

This is the problem with digital games, they can be deleted and gone forever. If they are going to delist a game at least keep the DLC available to buy or give it out as a final free patch to those people who own the game but did not pick it up yet. When they deleted driveclub I had none of the DLC and only found out it was gone until after it was deleted. Maybe the gaming platform has a responsibility to put out a notification letting you know it's going to be deleted , if you want any DLC buy it soon.

[@MrMonsterKen]

I really hate it when they delist, it's a dick move.

[@Gdad-20]

Here in 2024 and still the best track selection, in game championship, car selection and may it be said. The Weather! Beats todays poor efforts. Nice 1 👍🏁

[@reneferrer2471]

PC2 / 2024 🇺🇲

[@danardisimracing]

Also, thanks for inspiring me to re-install PC2 on my PS5, having a good afternoon run on it... Still holds up pretty well, the weird grabby kerbs are still frustrating, but when it's all good you can see why Reiza were interested in using the engine for AMS2, it's really good.

[@olevet75]

Are there any fps improvement on PS5 for PC2 am wondering, I only been running on PS4 pro

[@84Justino]

@@olevet75 yes... And that silly resolution drop to keep the FPS at a minimum acceptable level is gone.

[@cortecz]

I have PC2 on Steam. Does delisting also mean I'll no longer be able to re-download the game in the future even if I already bought it?

[@buchsg]

That’s the question i’m asking myself…

[@PedroSantos_83]

If you already have the game on your account you will be able to play it forever. 😉

[@cortecz]

@@PedroSantos_83 First, let me say, I always appreciate it when a content creator takes the time to respond to me. I thank you kindly. Now then, I'm probably going to sound like either a moron or a dick here and I do apologize for that, but your response unfortunately was of no help. To me being able to 'play' it forever and being able to 'download/install' it forever are VERY different things. What I'd like to know (if you know) is: If the game is still on my account, but currently uninstalled, do I need to get it downloaded and installed before it is delisted?

[@PedroSantos_83]

@@cortecz No need to be installed. If you have it on your account it will remain available to install and play forever.

[@bbbbBEOTCH]

open wheel on the horse thief track with about 35 laps requires a tire change due to wear and was just so good

[@robincrawling8125]

PROJECT CARS 2 . ITS AMASSING, IVE THEM OTHER RACING SIM GAMES,BUT THIS ONE I KEEP GOING BACK TO . I LOVE IT

[@marquisegoodwin2481]

Agreed.. except for the part where you said, everything works in both games.. time trial has been removed from both games

[@Tiber234]

Totally agree with you im still running PC2 as my main drive sim (PC3 was a let down) and Bannochbrae is my total favourite track. Live Track plus the weather systems - Still for me the best! Was looking into the AC series but both titles just dont tick the boxs I require. Anyway nice analysis !

[@bernardausterberry9795]

It also has a career mode unequalled to this day. And multi class before anyone else.

[@JamesElterman]

The legacy of Project Cars 2 will live on in my new favorite sim, Automobilista 2 which runs on modified PC2 engine.

[@maasmarco]

Same, and I occasionally go back to pc2 for its massive roster of tracks and cars.

[@mustaproductionsperez6726]

PC2 street tyre model continues to be the best, most certainly, as well as rallycross physics. It is with slick tyres where the "issue" begins to be noticeable as the game shows how much they leaned physics towards drifting, specially with hard slicks. I think they should have released a full rally game with their rallycross physics. Would have been a killer. With soft slicks on racing cars in PC2 you can still have a semi-sim experience when it comes to track racing, but I still think it is in the street tyre and street cars where the game truly shines, because it is obviously drift oriented. And for race cars that feel truly realistic even with the problems with slick tyres..., I'd say GTE is the king in that category here. You can even drive them on hard slicks without having that unrealistic overturning (without punishment) feeling that they weren't able to fix in pc2. AMS2 still feels weird, regardless the improvements on slicks. And their street cars tyre model is not as good as pc2, which is also weird.

[@jacquesjtheripper5922]

yh, i like most of what the game does, it has loads of content, sim style features, is well done mostly. But, i lose the spark when on the limit of grip, just feels as u said, kinda drift mode. it slides so linearly, like no momentum, or weight transfer, and grips back the same way, like on cold wet. it slides alot but u dont feel the thrill of near disaster, it just keeps sliding more if u push it, and stabilizes when u go easy. i prefer ac for that, u feel on the edge so well, how it loses and regrips. too bad as i like the suspension and ffb feel, and all the rest of the game, except for ai not being smooth, and being jerky in movement. i was going to get the Japanese pack, but i was a lil late, at midnight sharp it got delisted on psn. oh well,,already lots of cars apart from that pack, and lots of Nissan, with good sound.

[@davijavarini6852]

The 2020 decade is proving to be a dark decade for sim racing, and the fact that both PC1 and PC2 are being delisted makes it even more darker. Those are games that kills Forza and Gran Turismo, especially about realism. Hell, back when PC1 was released in 2015, the game had a mountain of positive reviews, even by being new in sim racing. Those facts also shows how Project CARS (both games and the franchise) is a masterpiece. It was one of the most ambitious sim racing franchises I have ever seen. We will never be sure if we're going to experience such a thing like this again. It was good when it lasted, but games like these will never die, and neither will the franchise itself. Project CARS. What a name for a sim racing franchise. It feels like a punch in the stomach watching both PC1 and PC2 being delisted. I hope I'll never get to experience such a thing like this again.

[@w0nd3r6]

Great video scaff wished you would had mention my over 200,000 miles i have with the p1 gtr. I love pcars 2 i have bought and install alot of different racing games since pcars 2 come out but none have stayed install on my system for long and pcars 2 as been install on my system since release. really says it all and i can wait to get a ps5 to play at a higher resolution.

[@simulationstimulation961]

Great vid man! I wanted to do exactly the same video and how much of an underrated and hated sim it is... It's really not fair. This is the most complete sim out of the box if we take everything into consideration!

[@michaelphillips1095]

This is a brilliant video so sorry I missed. I'm a dad with a kid I can't afford PC OK.. shoot me! I watched sim racing videos online all the time because it interested me but I couldn't take part at all. Project Cars changed that and I bought a G29 as a result. I honestly believe without Project Cars there'd be no Asseto Corsa, ACC on console and i love them. You can' talk about frame rate and mods till the cows come home, the fact is I watch a load of this content online and I enjoy it, but I can play perfectly serviceable sim content on console. I'm thankful for what I can play!

[@CARROTWHISPER]

I'm a retro game collector and having a clear out potentially looking to trade in my Xbox One S to CEX for much needed credit to go after retro Nintendo titles I found Project cars 2 which I gave up on years ago after being frustrated playing on controller and as I'm also a sim racer now I thought you know what I'm going to connect a wheel and see what happens now I'm in love with it and fully support the idea it's a sim I completely agree, now keeping my physical copy of the title plus by Xbox is now going nowhere it's single handily saved my Xbox One

[@dathyr1]

I find PC2 very good for me even if it does have some quirks to the game. I also enjoy doing the game in VR. I also have PC1 but find myself spending more time with PC2. Thanks for the video review. Take care.

[@untrainedprofessionals2374]

You'd think for a game that's about to be delisted they would put it on sale. $85 AUD on Steam + DLC. AMS2 $60 AUD.

[@Austinredstoner]

I'm thinking same why isn't it on sale. Project cars 2 cost over 60 dollars but deluxe cost about 90 dollars. First project cars cost 15 dollars but if you get bundle that comes with game and all 12 DLC it cost about 40 dollars and you save about 27 dollars if you buy bundle.

[@anticalgary]

PC2 is still full price on Steam but it’s on for 10 bucks on Green Man Gaming. You’re welcome.

[@AceRacingRocks]

Still loving ❤️ Project cars 2

[@Surgicaldamage]

Sent off for my hard copy today after this.👍

[@twostix67]

Luckily i own both on disc

[@sim_racing_pops1675]

I gotta say really enjoy pc2 since I got put onto someone’s custom ffb file it’s changed the game for me.

[@electrobrendan2059]

What settings ?

[@gregorymarsh9504]

Can someone please help? I just got Project Cars 2 used on disc and I am seeing some Deluxe Edition digital download keys for sale on eBay. I would LOVE to get the DLC that's no longer for sale, but I'm not sure if it's still possible to get if you enter an unused key code in the online store (like the kind you get included in a physical box that you enter online to redeem). Anyone know if it might work?

[@VerypopularSkylineGT-RS]

At least I got the Porsche dlc frl

[@johnleon6551]

Quick question, if a buy the season pass for the dlc do i get to keep the dlc forever even after it has been de listed?

[@ScaffsSimRacing]

Yep, delisted just means its no longer for sale, if you already own it you will still be able to download it.

[@johnleon6551]

@@ScaffsSimRacing Sorry for the dumb questions, but if i get the season pass am i renting the 4 dlc packs or am i buying the 4 dlc packs to keep for ever with no expiration date. Should i buy them individually to keep for ever?

[@ScaffsSimRacing]

@@johnleon6551 I'm not aware that they would expire, as far as I'm aware they will continue to exist and be available to download as long as the storefront you use exists.

[@goodlookinouthomie1757]

Since EA took over publishing the F1 games, they have delisted from Steam every one prior to 2020. As a result I am immediately suss when I hear about it happening to other games.

[@thumpertorque_]

So that means you can't buy it if you don't have the game? Is there a way to still get it for people who haven't bought it?

[@ScaffsSimRacing]

Unless you can pickup a physical @game of the Year' version, which includes all the DLC, unfortunately not.

[@thumpertorque_]

@@ScaffsSimRacing Is that version available for PC too or only consoles?

[@JUnit41484]

He said "track list" and I thought he was about to talk about how good the soundtrack is 😅

[@clipsolo]

They could just slap the PC2 career mode on Automobilista 2 and I'd be a very happy camper. Maybe throw in some of the tracks too. :)

[@daz2.058]

pc1 is the best looking sim out there

[@LeeSurber]

I run iRacing, AC, ACC, AMS2, rFactor2, Dirt Rally, and Project Cars 2..!! As a real racer and avid sim user I feel very comfortable with PC2 overall..!! It is only rivaled by AMS2 as a single player masterpiece..!! It pushed the limits at the right time..!! Glad I've got it..!!

[@raingham]

Today its listed on Xbox for under $9.00 And includes a boatload of extras...

[@MSZsama]

I would love to pick up PC2, but not at full price.

[@BlueNitroTiger]

The DLC of PC2 got delisted too.

[@bikerforever68]

What about Elephant in the room you didn’t mention? The game breaking bugs ???? I agree with your comments it was/is a good sim but the bugs made it unplayable especially PC1. Ie: racing in the wet when the AI run on slicks,game crashes after many patches,there’s loads of issues you didn’t mention which ruined the entire experience. It was good for a 10lap sprint race but anything that includes pit stops wasn’t worth it because AI wouldn’t pit as they should irl. This had the potential to be an awesome title but SMS pissed off so many players because there attitude to the issues was disgraceful. I had first hand experience of SMS not caring about bugs ect. The biggest love hate title ever.

[@Wesley-yb8nl]

Omg finally someone speaking the truth!!! Pc2 is good at times but the bugs and glitches make it unplayable. Unless you only wanna run practice or custom events in dry weather only it’s lacking imo

[@Austinredstoner]

Project cars 2 is now delisted from steam, sadly I did not buy it on steam when i had chance, but good News is theirs still time left to buy first project cars, so I'm asking is it still worth buying 1st one if yes should i buy it itself or should I buy bundle that comes with all DLC.

[@Austinredstoner]

I brought first one today and it's worth it, but can I still install mods on it?

[@davewright8206]

time trial gone now ,was useful on pc

[@Wesley-yb8nl]

It’s too bad they didn’t play test this enough. You can’t even finish your career, for some reason once you get passed the super trofeo championship doesn’t matter what you do for some reason your progress won’t save unfortunately. Also how the weather and puddles don’t affect the ai is kinda dumb but yeah rushed game

[@PastyOReily]

There was something very special about pc2 , it had a certain charm about it and I enjoyed playing it and still do... considering a bought it for under 6 pounds it was an absolute Bargain in truth 👍

[@Hero-sp3xr]

I’m very sad to see these 2 games go and lucky for me i have bought all dlc for these 2 games.

[@gameboyterrorysta6307]

I love PCars2 features and content (especially ability to setup diverse grids with more than 2-3 car models per class). Sadly I can't force myself to play neither PC2 or AMS2. The behaviour of rear axle is just awful with almost no progression between over and understeer during trailbraking or lifting. Also weight transfer feels "stiff and unnatural". I cannot point out what exactly feels off, but the effect is that I had to "relearn" the game every time I went to track IRL. For comparison I did not had to adjust to play R3E, older Simbin games or ACC. And driving car similar to mine in Assetto Corsa felt almost exactly the same as IRL.

[@ScaffsSimRacing]

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[@gameboyterrorysta6307]

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[@shalonharris8833]

Hated project cars two for the rain..AI would drive like it’s dry while I’m sliding all one the place..utter bullocks

[@Wesley-yb8nl]

Yeah smh such a let down bought it a while ago and just can’t get over that

[@GregTheReaper]

Community events (though dead for a long time) and timetrials are now no longer available, ProjectCars2 is officially dead. Fuck EA, RIP the game that got me interested in more serious sim racing.

[@randydubin7118]

My only problem with PC2 is the fact that TCS literally doesn't not work, especially on a controller, and my car would spin out as a result. 😢😥 Otherwise, it's a great game. 👍👍

[@ScaffsSimRacing]

The TCS works perfectly in PC and PC2, one of the few titles to actually model the difference between road and race systems. I suspect the issue you have isn't TCS related, but the controller optimization, which wasn't great in the first two titles.

[@Braddock-vx8dn]

Awesome video! Awesome game!

[@bobuiux]

go get a steam key while you can

[@WhippyWhipGaming]

Anyone with a driving licence can tell you this game feels nothing like driving a car

[@ScaffsSimRacing]

Odd I've has mine for over thirty years and spent 25 years in the Motor Industy, with countless hours on tracks and proving grounds. Nik who's video is in the description races competitively and runs his own race school, so safe bet he has one as well.

[@alanalexander7579]

Its crap crap crap

[@TonyMiguel-ko7cz]

Describing yourself 😂

[@mintblancmanche5508]

could not finish the video, gasping for air every 5 seconds is annoying lol. either pause or move away from the mic. I hope they put the game on sale before taking it down, want to upgrade to deluxe before it dies, but not at full price xD

[@davijavarini6852]

Delisting doesn't mean death. You will still be able to play both games.

[@mintblancmanche5508]

@@davijavarini6852 if you can't buy it, pretty much means it's dead, also couple of months later they will say "PC PC2" reached their life limit xD, prompting you to buy one of their newest dumpster fire of a game.

[@BlueNitroTiger]

The DLC of PC2 got delisted too.