Star Wars: Dark Forces | Kyle Katarn's Explosive Debut | Scarfulhu

[@indeimaus]

i love kyle katarn but also i dont trust disney to do him justice, so maybe its best he's gone

[@TheXell]

Yeah, let's leave that monkey's paw where it is.

[@JohnSmith-xq1pz]

@@TheXell I doubt they well Kyle is a strong alpha male character and Disney don't need no man lol

[@GeekMasterGames]

Kyle Katarn is the Chuck Norris of Star Wars. You know, back when that joke wasn't lame.

[@KeybladeMasterAndy]

So....never?

[@RainbyFIN]

Chuck Norris became lame to me the moment I saw that Republican Conservative ad he made with his wife or whatever about how American Christians are in danger or some other nonsense

[@EmeraldLavigne]

@@RainbyFIN my favorite Chuck Norris joke was when he said he was going to run for president of Texas after Obama wrecked the Union.

[@RainbyFIN]

@@EmeraldLavigne I have glasses so I refuse to actually do it but mentally I am facepalming

[@PosthumanHeresy]

You know what pisses me off? That wasn't the original memes. Before Chuck Norris became well known for the meme, the earliest form of it was about Bruce Campbell.

[@EmeraldLavigne]

The interrogation droid actually first appears on the first level, behind the big blast wall that descends to reveal a secret.

[@Scarfulhu]

Huh - I did not know that! Interesting.

[@EmeraldLavigne]

@@Scarfulhu yup, there's a like whole like third of the map that's a secret in the first level lol The walls in the outside area can drop. It's been years since I played DF, so I don't remember exactly where the switch is to drop the wall, but I do remember the giant murals of the emperor that are behind those walls...

[@shadowrider9735]

I think Disney didn't bring Kyle Katarn back because he'd be too OP. Now you mention it, a Star Wars point and click game would be pretty cool! It's one of those universes that leads itself pretty well to multiple genres. Kinda miss that experimental era of Star Wars

[@KanaevM]

What a weird part of Monkey Island franchise.

[@echothebm]

The most competent I've seen guybrush ever xp

[@barryaldridge1113]

I love Dark Forces as a game. Kyle is probably my favourite protagonist in the Star Wars games. At the time and probably still think this is way better than Doom. I love the soundtrack. The story is basic but so well done. I love the Villians in this one especially the general.

[@KrazyKupo]

Still one of my favourite Star Wars games, I can remember the local game shop had a lot of Star Wars themeing when it was released and I loved watching my uncle play it. My family got stuck on the last level because you have to fall of one conveyor belt out of dozens to get to the exit.

[@GreebleGoblin]

This was great, I'd love to see your take on Dark Forces 2 and Mysteries of the Sith. I really loved Mysteries of the Sith growing up. Great video!

[@Scarfulhu]

I'd like to cover the whole series! No clue when I'll get around to them, but they are on the list.

[@handznet]

Mysteries were absolutely amazing, datadisk, but it was a whole new game, perfect story and level design.

[@GeorgGreat_GameReviews]

Literally a favorite Star Wars game of mine (really dig its atmosphere), so it's a treat to see you cover it!

[@efxnews4776]

You probably didn't play kotor, but i can't deny that after Kotor games, DF are my favorites.

[@GeorgGreat_GameReviews]

@@efxnews4776 I have, they are the best... but taste is a peculiar thing :D

[@dantevalehuntik28]

Hot damn another scarfy video this year? I'm proud of you! Genuinely!

[@Saxdude26]

"But for Kyle Katarn, it was a Tuesday." I love Rogue One, but dang Kyle is a bad arse. Also love the probe droid noises. XD

[@doodledibob]

Dark Forces was the game that really convinced me to go back and play "old" games. It holds up to a surprising extent, and a lot of what's great about it hasn't really been done by games since then. The technical limitations don't really matter when you have absolutely stellar art direction. The folks at Lucasarts knew exactly what the engine was capable of and managed to present the iconic look of Star Wars in a timeless fashion. The sounds and the music are authentic to what you hear from the movies, characters are lovingly recreated... There are certainly some rough spots, but Dark Forces can easily stand toe-to-toe with something like Dice's Battlefront games when it comes to immersing you within the Star Wars universe.

[@Tokumastu1]

This was the first FPS I ever played and man was it fun. Though kid me was terrified of the phase one Dark Troopers. Now if only this game would get a Nightdive remaster.

[@brutusmagnuson315]

That blaster sprite is still my favorite first-person weapon sprite. It’s easy to intuit where your shots are gonna go, without being down-the-middle, it feels satisfying to shoot, and seeing Kyle’s wrist gives it a sense of space and physicality

[@MaxDuckwall]

Excellent video. Though a few things. 1. the biggest inspiration for this wasn't Doom except for JEDI Engine itself. Wolfenstein 3D played a bigger inspiration starting it. 2. At 15:32, if you toss a thermal detonator, or mortar if you have it, in that hole in the wall you'll destroy a part of the wall in that area and be able to get out.

[@strain42]

It's always pretty impressive what genres they managed to make with Star Wars, as it's a universe that really could lend itself to ANY type of game. But yeah...is really weird they never did a point and click.

[@JerichoDeath]

IIRC, Kyle was one of the few Jedi in the Legends novels (post episode 6) that actually used Force Lightning for good. What a badass.

[@shoogles_]

Oh wow the source port is out?? brbbbb Love Kyle Katarn. Remember getting Jedi Outcast for Christmas one year and thinking, "wow, graphics can't get any better than this - their MOUTHS MOVE!!"

[@Spigazu]

I played it as a kid and was quite overwhelmed by it. I remember shouting at my uncle to help me beat an AT&ST and I got grounded for it, lol, so thank you for covering it, I was wondering how it holds up. Would love to see Jedi Outcast from you

[@themiraculous0447]

Fun fact - Vader is voiced by Scott Lawrence in this game. He voiced Vader in other mediums throughout the 90s, up until roughly 2006 when Matt Sloan took over. However, recently he's come back to voice Vader in the big games that tie into star wars canon, like Vader Immortal, Fallen Order, and Squadrons. And honestly, he sounds absolutely spot on in these new games. I'd love if he took over voicing Vader instead of some crappy voice AI.

[@gtabro1337]

Played it for the first time 2 years ago and to my surprise... I REALLY liked it. And that's on a powerful PC, but good games remain good.

[@batwingz]

while I do miss Kyle katarn it is kinda funny that him getting retconned gave us andor and rogue one which are definitely the best things to come out of Disney star wars imo. He took one for the team, thank you for your service king we'll never forget you

[@Hinokassaudifan1]

I remember battlefront 2 and 1. The classic ones. Not the sussy imposter baka that EA tried to sell as the replacement.

[@EmeraldLavigne]

The best thing about those ones was when you could download the maps from BF 1 into BF 2.

[@nathanielhaven3453]

Would love if you continued the breakdown to all the Kyle katarn games! DF2JK needs way more love

[@whalleyreviews]

I remember playing this as a kid! I sadly couldn't complete it as I seem to recall a monster in a level scaring me and I ended up, never playing anymore. I might and try again at some point as this does look enjoyable!

[@Eellex501]

You forgot the best replacement for Kyle Katarn, Kanan Jarrus.

[@Scarfulhu]

I knew somebody was slipping my mind. Kanan is great.

[@dylan.t180]

Great to see your upload in my feed

[@Keldroc]

Kyle's ship shows up by name in the Unfinished Business expansion to the board game Star Wars: Outer Rim, and all Disney era SW product is canon, so he's out there somewhere. Same game also includes Dash Rendar and the Outrider.

[@Catasros]

Played a _ton_ of Dark Forces 2 and Jedi Knight as a kid and in my early teens, so seeing the game that started it was very fun. Did not, however, really need the "Kyle Katarn is the Chuck Norris of Star Wars" flashbacks ('w');;;

[@mondeli7593]

I think this is the first video game I ever remember playing back when I was a kid. Enjoyed the video a ton and glad to see the game getting some love!

[@Lukethefox]

This was one of the first FPS games I've played when I rented it from my local library in '99. I got stuck and didn't play it again until I picked it up on Steam some years back, even played a Mod where you get to confront Darth vader. I recall there being a remake mod for I think Jedi Academy which remade the first 5 levels and was pretty impressive. I hope one day you get to cover Star Trek: Klingon Honor Guard as you get to be a badass Klingon Warrior impaling enemies with a bat'leth. It was also the game that got me into Star Trek.

[@SabinStargem]

If you want to serve the Dark Forces, I cannot recommend TIE Fighter enough. As a humble pilot, you get to see the "ground level" of the empire's conflicts, resolving assorted issues such as forcing a mutual peace treaty on two opposing factions. There has been a fan-remake of the campaigns for X-Wing Alliance, which has tweaked the missions to be better all-around.

[@bonkitybonk9038]

A new Scarfulhu video???? LET'S GOOOO

[@handznet]

this is just amazing game and even now - I love to play it from time to time, the level design is so better than in other FPS released in same time. DF 2 and the datadisk are amazing as well, I played them hundred times.

[@BrandonCroker]

May the scarfs be with you.

[@squeethemog213]

Always happy to see your vids on my feed. Thanks for another awesome review 😃

[@BaronGrackle]

Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II is my favorite of the series. If you cover it, I hope you remark on how self-contained it is! The other games are filled with cameos from the main cast... Dark Forces here makes Kyle like Forest Gump as he crosses path with Death Star plans, Mon Mothma, Crix Madine, Boba Fett, Vader... and Mysteries of the Sith weaves him with Mara Jade while Jedi Outcast and Academy link him to Luke's story. But Jedi Knight? In Jedi Knight, Kyle is just some random guy who comes across a random Imperial warlord and seals the power of a random planet that nobody had ever heard of. Jedi Knight could fit into the narrative of any Star Wars canon, because it doesn't touch anybody from the films. (And this is incidentally an advantage the game version has over the novelization!)

[@thomaspearce3002]

Great review as always

[@gratuitouslurking8610]

Many bothans died dragging Kyle Katarn kicking and screaming to Legends.

[@roguerifter9724]

I used the Repeater's secondary fire more then the primary fire once I discovered it because that was the closest thing the game had to a Shotgun at that level.

[@michaele1654]

Hey, give the empire some credit. Those plans don't need to be guarded, because they don't contain a lot of useful information. Think about it. The rebels find the plans for a moon-sized space station. On that moon, there is exactly one "weak point"-- a 1 meter wide exhaust port where theoretically, a 1-in-a-million shot with a proton torpedo might go down the grate and set off a catastrophic chain reaction that destroys the entire space station... Assuming that the contractors forgot to put a grate over the exhaust port. Oh, and did I mention that the exhaust port is guarded by hundreds of turrets and tie fighters? Nobody could pull off that mission, even if they did get the plans. I mean, maybe the best star pilot in the galaxy could pull it off. But Anakin Skywalker died right after the Clone Wars, so thats a pointless hypothetical. I mean, maybe if the Rebels wanted to replicate the death star, they would want the plans? But come on, they would need millions of workers, and like an entire planet's worth of machinery. The rebels don't have that kind of budget, Yularen and the ISB would have caught it. And what else would the blueprints be good for? Is the rebel alliance going to storm the Death Star? Ha, there's like a million storm troopers on board, not to mention Lord Vader. Those plans are of no use to the Rebels, we might as well post them to the Holonet for the entire galaxy to see. This post is brought to you by Friends of Sheev Palpatine. To find out what you can do for the empire, head down to your local recruiting station and get ready to crush that rebel scum.

[@SabinStargem]

Considering how Kyle blew up a good bit of a moon, I suspect he could infiltrate the Death Star and deliver a crippling blow. Probably challenge the Emperor and Vader while at it. Alas, that expansion pack "What-If" never came to be...

[@ThejollyFrenchman]

Can't wait to see you do Jedi Knight. The cutscenes are super goofy, I love 'em.

[@JamesQPurcell]

It's really too bad that Star Wars never got a point and click adventure game. There are so many ways it could have been handled. If Indiana Jones could get two, Star Wars should have at least got one.

[@arnvonsalzburg5033]

How I imagine the walktrough for it: Use Lightsaber on... Door. Use Lightsaber on... Blaster shots. Use Lightsaber on... Stormtrooper. Use Lightsaber on...

[@MoonSpiritChannel]

Never played this game to its fullest. I really should. My first exposure to Kyle Katarn's adventures was Jedi Outcast. I played the shit out of that game.

[@TheNobefollow]

Great review!

[@ebox147]

I had no idea star wars had doom clones. huh, learn something new every day

[@gale_master1475]

I cant wait for the Star Wars Dark Forces Remastered

[@QuestionableObject]

If I had a penny for every Star Wars Legends story that involved getting the death star plans to the rebel alliance I'd have like five or six pennies, idk. Point is there were a lot of them.

[@metalcorequeen]

Imagine a universe where more than 3 people are important to the story.

[@Snaffdude]

Dark Forces made me feel really uneasy as a kid playing it on PS1 It now makes me feel really uneasy in my mid 30's in a Scarfthulu video

[@garblechunk]

Scarfulhu! There is, in fact, a STar Wars point and click game! Check out Yoda Stories! It's small and very basic, but it's cute! I think it would be right up your alley!

[@thesilverw0lf]

I swear your videos feel so much shorter than they actually are... Another great video!

[@mollamba]

ultrakill act 2, you know what that means... also great vid

[@Scarfulhu]

Yes, I've already written the script for that vid. 😉

[@petroslinna]

Hi - do you have a vod of your detention center run where you got stuck? We'd love to take a look.

[@cazzracc11]

this game is baller i can't wait for the source port to be finished; this game could use a good deathmatch client

[@JohnSmith-xq1pz]

I was in jr when the original Dark Forces came out (I feel so old lol)

[@TheArtkaw]

Everyone (cornily) memes about how powerful Katarn is when he was pretty much a clone of the Doom Guy which Dark Forces was trying to cash in on in the early 90's.

[@admiralbees1690]

I always preferred the non-beardy non-force using Kyle Katarn.

[@jameshayward1992]

Grans love grenades should be on a tshirt

[@B0risTheBlade]

Game of my childhood 😁

[@princess_ruri]

"The idea of creating a first-person shooter in the Star Wars universe was inspired by fan mods of Doom which had levels set on the Death Star". This horrible misquote from an old EGM magazine is the bane of my existence. Dark Forces started development when the game director Darron Stinnet was given a chance to make any kind of Star Wars game he wanted. He was inspired by WOLFENSTEIN 3D, as Doom was just putting it's first Alpha out as development started. The Star Wars mod for Doom didn't come out until 94, a year after Dark Forces was in full swing of development.

[@Zenlore6499]

It’s always interesting to see Star Wars media that’s old enough to predate the prequels, and therefore has no sign of ANYTHING from them. There’s very few alien races, no battle droids. It’s kinda weird.

[@de_la_Nae]

I really hope you eventually are able to find means and time to do Dark Forces 2 Jedi Knight and its expansion, Mysteries of the Sith.

[@Scarfulhu]

That's the plan! No clue when it'll happen but I aim to get through the whole series eventually.

[@jmarra07]

Can't really compete with Civvie11, but I do enjoy this same genre of games from you

[@Scarfulhu]

I can accept that 😄

[@mikedrop4421]

That's like saying someone is no Michael Jordan.

[@TheXell]

@@Scarfulhu The overlap in content doesn't bother me in the slightest. On the contrary, when discussing media, multiple viewpoints on the same material are actually a good thing. Hell, if TravGuy started doing a retrospective on Star Wars shooters, I'd watch it.

[@VoiceOfVittoria]

So you're saying an acceptable alternative name for Thermal Detonators is Granades?

[@christopherwall2121]

Kyle Katarn can escape the Backrooms. BEFORE he got Force powers.

[@MRDLT00]

2:51 I still hate how much they built up the Dark Troopers, only to have Luke show up last second and defeat them all single handily to save the main cast. Such a waste of potential for a possible formidable foe. 😓

[@Scarfulhu]

To be honest, yeah. I'd have liked to have seen more from them.

[@leviwarren6222]

The OG 1313.

[@epicpotatofiend]

State Farm Insurance stole the Gabriel Knight 1 point jingle. Now you, too, have been burdened with this knowledge.

[@77pali]

No mention of the Max head in this game? You dissapoint me, Scarf. :(

[@mullerandy]

This review was better than Civvie11's.

[@TheDeadCobraTheDeadCobra]

Star Wars is epic its a shame that Disney hurt it with they're not cannon shit SW Battle Front 2 the original not the remake is one of the best Star Wars game Dark Forces and Jedi Academy is old but they are good games

[@timyo6288]

medium difficulty? why?

[@Scarfulhu]

I always do a first playthrough on medium/normal.

[@TheArtkaw]

I love your videos, but you really got to improve on your backdrop. Even just a poster or two would help 🤪

[@Scarfulhu]

I'm no longer doing camera stuff for the time being because I don't have a good setup for it tbh

[@Peffse]

I had this on PS1, and I HATED it. The levels were far too confusing, and things far too hidden. I can see a map overlay while looking at your footage. Is that a modern addition from the updated engine? I don't remember that handy feature available on PS1.

[@pagodrink]

If Heathers can have three characters with the same first name, then the Star Wars universe can have two Kyles. Edit: i just remembered that his name is Kylo, not Kyle, Can you tell I haven't watched much Star Wars? 😅

[@EmeraldLavigne]

I still haven't watched Rogue One because I'm so angry about how they did my boy dirty like that...

[@GBlastMan]

Bring back Kyle Katarn (AKA Jedi Christ) Disney, i double dare you you cowards!!!

[@stapuft]

legends is the ONLY canon.