Wish - Is It Good or Nah? (Disney Review)

[@lospereye]

To quote C.S.Lewis, “A children's story that can only be enjoyed by children isn't a good children's story in the slightest.”

[@msk-qp6fn]

Truth

[@AVdE10000]

It's be real, disney has kind of become the trillion dollar variant of those awful "for kids" KZbin channels that crap out low effort content without a single care of its quality, as long as the content is just there and ready to be consumed. Only to drown in a sea of similar content afterwards, becoming more and more indistinguishable from the rest as time goes on.

[@PlatinumAltaria]

That's the whole reason they're called "family films", they're supposed to be for all ages not just to keep the babies busy.

[@drdewott9154]

@@PlatinumAltaria Yeah exactly! And heck if people want to find a different actually good family movie with the same themes and elements and then a whole lot of its own, then as many have already pointed out, DreamWorks put out Puss in Boots the last wish just a year ago!

[@hugoedelarosa]

Was he talking about his writing?

[@45darkrai]

From what I remember, there were original plans where both the King and Queen were meant to be evil together. Honestly, it would have been engaging with Disney to have an evil couple.

[@leroyjenkins1249]

Yep. Imagine a couple of the natures of Magnificient and The Horned King. Two evils who first fight together and then maybe fight each other. Two menaces both terrifying in their own right -Magic and Poison. Mind control and Control of Nature (or whatever else you could imagine). The entire movie just you bibbering at their shadows, with a Fantasia-style climax and happy ending.

[@axolotlfairy2473]

I have a big soft spot for the trope of “evil couple who are sappy and in love but still evil” so damn that would’ve been FUN

[@PuzzlePottage1390]

It's a shame to see how things played out as there were some very interesting ideas in Wish. King Magnifico had the potential to become a great Disney villain if the writers had just experimented with him a little more, especially given the implication that he's the original persona of the Magic Mirror from Snow White and the Seven Dwarves. The idea of the fate of a modern villain setting up the premise of the very first Disney film was an interesting concept for the centenary, but I just wish the script wasn't so fundamentally flawed. I could probably write a better story summary right here and now. In fact, here, let me do just that and you lot say if it sounds more interesting than the actual product we got: *AHEM* 'The Kingdom of Rosas is ruled by a seemingly benevolent king called Magnifico. However, he is in actuality an arrogant tyrant who hides his hubris in plain sight by using his prowess with magic to put on phony wish-granting ceremonies for his brainwashed subjects. The audience doesn't necessarily have to made aware of his evil nature straight away, but it has to be made obvious by at least the thirty minute mark rather than yet another last minute twist villain. Magnifico claims he will grant the wishes of a handful of individuals once a month, offering the opportunity to grant yours providing you willingly sacrifice your memory of it. His reasoning for this is that giving up your memory of the wish preventing any disappointment and potential unrest should it never be granted. Your memories will only return if either the wish is granted, or if you live long enough for Magnifico's magic to fade. However, you can always offer your remembered wish back to him for a second chance of it coming true. His lies work and his subjects adore him for his 'kindness'. However, the cost of giving up your memories for the chance of having your wish granted inadvertently creates a popular superstition throughout the kingdom: revealing your wish to someone else guarantees that it will never be granted. Meanwhile, Asha is a passionate seventeen-year-old girl who plans on wishing to become King Magnifico's apprentice once she turns eighteen. She wants this as she wants to try and help as many people achieve their own wishes as possible. Her desire only grew stronger after the recent passing of her grandfather at the age of one-hundred, his wish to inspire future generations sadly never being granted. His old age meant that he eventually regained his memory of the wish he had hoped Magnifico to grant, but due to his rapidly declining health, he thought it best not to bother offering it up again. When finally on his deathbed, he decided to ignore the infamous superstition of the kingdom and revealed the wish to his granddaughter, taking comfort in finally being able to tell someone else of his secret before passing away. So great is Asha's desire to help people like her late grandfather, she can't help but let her wish to also become public knowledge...even though it means she is now frequently told it will never come true. Asha is too stubborn to believe the superstition and believes Magnifico will grant it if she wishes hard enough. Eventually, her wish becomes so well-known in the local community that King Magnifico himself invites her to his castle, revealing that he's heard the rumours about her and agrees it's wise for him to start thinking about an apprentice. Asha asks why he doesn't simply wait one more year and grant the wish for her, but Magnifico claims being his apprentice is more than simply wishing for a title, so she'll need to prove to him that she has what it takes to one day succeed him. He claims to believe in the fundamentals of hard work and rewarding those who earn it, not simply those who ask for it. Asha asks if that's why her grandfather's wish was never granted, because he 'didn't deserve it', but Magnifico dismisses her by saying that wishes aren't special if everyone lives to see theirs come true. Although surprised at the dismissal, Asha remains respectful and agrees to Magnifico's proposal of training to become his apprentice. Things seem to be going well for a short while, and Magnifico shows her more and more of the wish-granting process, including his locked vault of bestowed wishes that only he may enter. If she succeeds in her training, she too will be granted access one day, but not a moment earlier. Later, Asha starts exploring the castle records and notices that all of the wishes that have been chosen over the years have all come back to benefit Magnifico in some way, such as allowing various previously ordinary subjects to wish for high positions who report back to the king (knights, advisors, tax collectors etc). The benefits to Magnifico started off relatively small at first, almost as if they were coincidental, but seem to have become more and more blatant with time. Not only do Magnifico's choices seem suspicious, but they seemingly contradict his previous concerns about people being granted titles without proving they deserve them or have what it takes to succeed. She goes to the forest to clear her head one night, which is when she meets Star (in his human form from the scrapped concept art). He says he was drawn to her as he's never known someone wish for something as hard as she does. When she reveals who she is and what Magnifico does, Star seems confused as that's not how the wishes work; he would know as he reveals that only his kind have the ability to grant wishes. Star proves what he says to be true by granting the goat the ability to speak (if he must), and this revelation causes Asha's suspicions of Magnifico to reach a crescendo. She decides to do the one thing she was told not to and enter the vault of bestowed wishes. She intends to see what other wishes Magnifico has denied in exchange for the ones he's granted, and now that she has a magical friend in Star, gaining access proves relatively simple. Once inside, she learns the horrible truth. Magnifico doesn't grant the wishes of his subjects. In reality, he uses his magic to steal the memories of those who offer up their wishes to him. He then replaces those memories with artificial ones of his own, allowing him to manipulate his own subjects into devoting themselves to him indefinitely. He's manipulated people into thinking that they wish to be his soldiers and his servants, that they wish to hold annual celebrations dedicated to him, that they wish to dedicate themselves to raising donations and preparing banquets for their beloved King Magnifico etc. Inside the vault is every wish Magnifico has collected over the years placed on its own pedestal, and each one is accompanied with an artificial one Magnifico intends to replace it with in due course. As the superstition about keeping your wish to yourself became more and more widespread, Magnifico realised he had an opportunity to grant increasingly bold wishes and claim them to be the deepest desires of his subjects. After all, the person having their 'wish granted' would have had their memory wiped, and everyone else would be ignorant to the truth as most believe in keeping their wishes to themselves out of fear of them never being granted. It seems as though Magnifico is even contemplating eventually using his magic to brainwash subjects into travelling across the seas and expand his own influence to other kingdoms. What horrifies Asha most of all is that she finds an empty pedestal with her name on it, and although that's because she's not yet bestowed a wish to him, Magnifico has already prepared a false memory for her. He really does intend for her to become his apprentice like he's been training her to, but he intends for her to become a willing participant in his schemes as it is becoming increasingly hard to keep the public ignorant to the truth the more wishes he grants. He needs someone he can rely on to help keep his secrets hidden forever. After Magnifco somehow realises that Asha has learnt the truth, he decides to silence her and her strange friend permanently. The pair go on the run whilst Magnifico holds a surprise wish-granting ceremony where he declares his intention of granting more wishes than ever before. Determined to kill Asha before she reveals what she knows, Magnifico takes off the gloves and claims that he has granted the wishes of all those who wanted to become his new group of loyalists dedicated to hunting down traitors such as Asha. He even brainwashes Asha's very own friends and family as his desperation to stop his secret from coming out means he has to target the people most likely to offer Asha aid. Asha and Star then spend the rest of the film evading Magnifico's loyalists, learning about the source of Magnifico's magic and how to break his spell over the hundreds of people he's brainwashed. They sing a few songs, crack some jokes and the goat doesn't reference being the founder of Zootopia, are you bloody kidding me?! It ends with Magnifico defeated and Star telling Asha that she was the one who ended up granting her grandfather's wish as he inspired her to become the person she is now. Asha realises the Magnifico was right about one thing: wishes are only special because not everyone will live to see theirs come true. However, that doesn't mean your wish can't live on through others, especially those who care for you. Very cute and sappy.' END Ok, I admit that I may have stopped trying by the end there, but I think we can all agree that the crude summary I wrote in about ten minutes was far more interesting than the film we actually got, even if it's not particularly well-written. Disney has some immensely talented people working for them, so to see them produce such offensively mediocre films like this frustrates me to no end.

[@TheRibottoStudios]

@@PuzzlePottage1390 His fate is both interesting and terrifying when you think about it. I was thinking about that on the drive home like "wow omg that's such a cool idea to tie it all togeth-OH MY GOD HE'S LITERALLY IN A MIRROR FOR ALL ETERNITY TF" lol and oh my god ASHA BEING THE "FAIRY GOD MOTHER"! That is also very nice way to celebrate the centennial too. Her cloak immediately made me go "ohhhh. Ohhh. Nice." lol

[@sandrahwu]

But would it be as good as in P&F where Alt. Dimension DoofxCharlene pretended to be divorced out of convenience and financial gain?

[@publiusnaso9473]

There's concept art from when Queen Amaya was evil, and the idea of a villainous power couple is rad and unique, a villain song duet could be awesome.

[@SonicXtreme99akaCreeperMario]

WE WERE ROBBED

[@revi6482]

That actually sounds quite interesting. I would have loved that especially if they genuine loved each other and were just evil and try to stay in control. Could have also been interesting since Asha now has to watch out for two people, but Disney probably thought kids heads would have exploded, so they took the easy way. I miss the old movies.

[@ilicia_08]

They probably changed the queen from being evil so they could have the “girl power” moment with her running the kingdom in the end and everything being better now under her rule.

[@Sammy-S]

༼⁠;⁠´⁠༎ຶ⁠ ⁠۝ ⁠༎ຶ⁠༽ You're telling me we were robbed of a *villain POWER COUPLE?!*

[@matthewsimpson5529]

That could have also saved the King's characterization problem - one gets the semi-sympathetic motivation and backstory, while the other gets to be gleefully evil

[@darknessbobulus]

The worst part of this to me is that Magnifico has all the traits of a heroic but flawed king. Other than being conceited, he's a stand up guy. He was a normal guy, lost his family, taught himself powerful magic, made his own peaceful kingdom from scratch where everyone was welcome AND its free. He grants wishes that are good for the kingdom, aren't too vague as to back fire, and aren't impossible. He grants a wish for a woman who wants to make great clothes by giving her a magic pair of scissors so she still has to put the work in, just like he did. After all of his hard work, he should be allowed some pride and the belief that he should get some respect. He just randomly becomes evil bc Disney suddenly believes "Be careful what you wish for" is for boomers.

[@ButterFlyGardenBlossom]

I have a feeling he was supposed be a non-villainous antagonist with good or at least understandable intentions, much like Abuela Alma, but then the execs saw that Disney fans were begging for real irredeemable villains, and changed him to be so.

[@elliotfinn]

Yeah, it's so free that he doesn't even charge you rent!

[@kirkengstrom917]

That woman could have gotten her Dream to make the finest dresses without wishing for it, though. He was basically just appointing her to a position, and she could have just worked hard and made the best dresses, anyway.

[@darknessbobulus]

@@kirkengstrom917 That is true, but he did give her magic scizzors to help so... better? I think?

[@xCoatlicuex]

@@kirkengstrom917 And the grandparent could just learn to play guitar,every citizen could have worked for their wishes but expect the king do all the work for them.

[@Maddin1313]

Disney celebrating its anniversary with Wish is like Gordon Ramsay celebrating his anniversary with a can of ravioli.

[@6618mushi]

He has a line of microwave dinners being sold at Walmart. According to Ratatouille logic - he sold out.

[@bennanbobales2358]

Couldn’t have said it better

[@MariusWales]

That's very disrespectful to ravioli.🤣

[@mergat2970]

Yea but chef boyardee ravioli slaps

[@thegreatfassad1987]

... like Sega celebrating Sonic with '06.

[@georgemccartney8906]

Jeremy Jahns said it pretty well: "It doesn't feel like its celebrating 100 years of Disney, just the 100th year."

[@ScionStorm1]

Should have adapted Epic Mickey for the 100th anniversary.

[@evinnoelle1826]

​@@ScionStorm1if that happened, I would crap my pants, cry, call my parents, and buy tickets in one fell swoop

[@themoocow7718]

⁠@@ScionStorm1Would’ve loved that. Have some callbacks to Sorcerer's Apprentice

[@maddie_sarver]

I was going to watch Wish on the theaters but I ended up going shopping. Now I respect myself for dodging a bullet.

[@KittyTwitty9876]

​@@ScionStorm1bro that would bring back my loyalty faster than anything 😂😂 we know they have brilliant people working there having the same ideas, why aren't they being heard??

[@HypeVoiceActing]

I'm fully convinced that "Once Upon a Studio" was the *actual* 100 Year celebration, and that "Wish" was just a random bad movie they were making and just slapped the 100 Year thing onto it with no thought.

[@taydrabrookshire347]

It’s true

[@msk-qp6fn]

Same

[@cartoonishidealism582]

Nah. There’s way too many Easter eggs for Wish to not be intended as a 100 year anniversary story. There’s more Disney references than actual story in this movie

[@pepearown4968]

@@cartoonishidealism582I’m surprised how little he brought that up.

[@Kingdom850]

Wish literally exists because they wanted to make a story about the iconic wishing star in the Disney intro lol

[@xKumei]

Disney using pop music writers for their anniversary honestly feels insulting. It shows such a disregard for their own history.

[@JonathanGaeta]

This makes me want to watch Chicken Little than Wish. Yes I’m dead serious, even though Chicken Little has a lot of bad crap in it **cough cough Buck Cluck** at least the licensed pop songs that’s in it are catchy, in Wish the songs sounds like pop songs specifically made for the TikTok people.

[@txwtw]

@@JonathanGaeta yeah, like Ain’t No Mountain High Enough is a banger. How can Chicken Little of all things have a better soundtrack than Disney’s 100th anniversary?!

[@ningenshikkaku2042]

@@JonathanGaeta Bro I'd much rather rewatch Shark Tale than to even bother watching Wish, lmao.

[@ZoobiethePopplio]

​​@@JonathanGaetaThat's insulting to pop songs made for Tik Tok. Circus by Fox SZN is pretty good.

[@supermariof0521]

Honestly using pop songs kinda feels like something Disney CHANNEL would've done. If Wish was a DCOM, nobody would really mind. But this is a high budget in house animated project from Disney's core A team meant to celebrate 100 years, and yet it feels like they weren't allowed to put effort into it.

[@MalakiaLaGattaNera]

Honestly, the "fix" for this movie sounds very simple to me. 1) Make both the king and queen evil. Villains need to bounce off someone, either a sidekick or servants (Iago, the hyenas, Lefou) and we never had a evil couple before, if we exclude Scar and Zira that never shared any screentime since she's a later addition. 2) Make the protagonist a kid and not a teen. No one will believe her when she discovers the evil plans of the rulers, which immediately makes the conflict more interesting and engaging than "adult quirky protagonist with a billion forgettable friends" 3) the star HAS to be a person. The star should've been the Princess/Fairy god mother type. That is what it was always intended to be since its inception in Pinocchio and Princess and the Frog paid a lovely homage to that by naming the star Evangeline. It writes itself: in the end, you have a kid helping this magical star-person who nobody believes in anymore (because the king and queen stole her wishes away) restore her power and save the day.

[@cubriffic172]

There's concept art of when the star was personified and it looks GORGEOUS. I'm so mad they didn't stick to it, they looked Peter Pan-esque and it really gave the vibes of old Disney (at least to me)

[@mayruuh]

when random internet users have better ideas at making a better movie than a billion dollar company you know you're lacking

[@joshuaW5621]

And also make Valentino tolerable.

[@diverman1023]

The star was hilarious as is, I completely disagree

[@MalakiaLaGattaNera]

@@diverman1023 be my guest.

[@yeahidraw7068]

This movie is the definition of jangling the keys in front of Disney adults

[@DORAisD34D]

Why would Disney adults like this? Only little kids will like this thing I’m stupid. You meant the references to classic Disney. I thought you were saying that millennials are cringe so they would like a lame movie

[@yeahidraw7068]

@@DORAisD34D cause of all the references

[@BrianCannan-em1nk]

I saw someone saying, “If you don’t give this movie a chance, then you aren’t a real Disney fan!” This movie looks like the most generic movie ever invented. If I wanted to watch a paradigm-shifting movie that changes the boundaries of animation, I’d watch Across the Spider Verse. If I wanted to watch a fantasy romp with animation that looks good(I wouldn’t say wish’s animation looks good though), I could watch Nimona. If I wanted to watch the supposed swan song of a legendary creator of animated movies, I’d just wait for The Boy and The Heron.

[@tatltails3923]

"Jingle jangle jingle jangle, I said your favorite word, The Backrooms!"

[@albertanmotorcyclist6419]

@@DORAisD34DI’m confused what your point is, Disney adults literally have kid brains, hence being Disney adults

[@moonlightrobbery]

I was under the impression that Asha was Magnifico's daughter at first, and I thought that it was a really neat twist to have the villain be the Princess's bio parent and not stepparent. Apparently that was too much for Disney.

[@eatatjoes6751]

I was too, but nope.

[@darkartsninja]

Wait, she's not?! Then why on earth call her a "Disney princess" if she's not, you know, a princess?

[@elijahbagaman276]

@@darkartsninja Mulan moment

[@X-SPONGED]

​@@darkartsninjabecause the requirements of being a "Disney princess" is making BUCKS at the box office. You don't have to be an actual princess, or struggle, or have compelling motivation, or be an actual character at all. Make Disney some cash at the cinemas and you're officially a Disney Princess™ now, congrats👏

[@eatatjoes6751]

@@darkartsninja Because it's part of the branding now.

[@XxdextriousxX]

My friend took her 4 year old daughter to see this and she kept asking to use the bathroom. Then finally admitted she just didn’t wanna continue watching and rather walk around the theater 💀💀💀💀

[@ravindrabisram137]

Bro you gotta be making this up 😂😂😂

[@XxdextriousxX]

@@ravindrabisram137 no really they’re at her beck and call lmao

[@Jollipop09]

No way a *4 year old* who got tired of the movie? Damn, that's just saying a whole lot...

[@XxdextriousxX]

@@Jollipop09 ok well maybe she isn’t 4 idk I just know she’s a child and can talk lol so maybe 6-8?

[@carrool]

@@XxdextriousxXhow could a 4-8 year old be walking around a theatre by themselves

[@SatyrToon]

I feel like "This is the Thanks I Get" could have been the crux of an actual theme. What if Magnifico started out using his power to try and help people and make the world a better place, but soon realized that giving people what they want all the time isn't good for society and it made people greedy, asking for more and more and more. He made the decision to stop granting wishes. This lead to outrage and riots and no one would listen to his reasoning. And him telling that story could have lead into the song. "I gave them everything they could ever want or need... but they were angry that I wouldn't give them more. So THIS is the thanks i get..." It would be a song about how people are lazy and greedy and how they cast him out in spite of all the good he'd done for them. And he'd stand by his belief that only he should have this magic to the bitter end because "No one else deserves it." He'd be a once great man who lost his faith in the world and refused to ever again see the good in anyone. He'd be a slave to his confirmation bias, seeing benign interactions and always finding a way to twist them into something negative because, in his core, he believes that the greed he witnessed is what he believes everyone has in their heart.

[@K0m30ng]

I actually like "This Is The Thanks I Get" when I hear the song out of context. I turn off my brain about basically the context of the song and just enjoy Chris Pine's vocals 😂

[@elly-nobu9558]

OMG THAT WOULD BE SO MUCH MORE INTERESTING!!!! I had a similar idea but I just thought maybe make him full on evil just good at hiding and maybeee people began feeling grief since the very beginning and he has been consuming their wishes in secret, and Asha only decided to become his apprentice because her grandpa’s wish got consumed and he began feeling grief, so she thought Magnifico could help and decided to work for him. Like this movie has so much potential to be something greater but nope🥲

[@madelineeaton551]

Where WERE you?? You should have been in the writing room, your KZbin comment is better than the final product.

[@chelscara]

Honestly that gives me Jafar in StarKids Twisted vibes

[@greenguyinpfp6565]

this is a delicious idea that’s SO much deeper and solidified!

[@huntercool2232]

The fact that people actually FORGOT this film was even out really says a lot about Disney’s current state.

[@MsRxses]

IT'S ALREADY OUT?? I THOUGHT ALL I WAS JUST WATCHING ARE THE TEASERS OR SOMETHING 😭😭😭

[@msk-qp6fn]

For real i didnt even know it even released

[@Your_Local_Weirdo75]

I thought it was coming out in 2024

[@K0m30ng]

I knew this movie comes out on Thanksgiving as Disney has been doing this tradition where every year during Thanksgiving, there's always a new Disney animated movie but I wasn't all that interested. I saw the trailer twice when I went to see Taylor Swift concert movie and yet I still wasn't interested

[@PsycheTrance65]

Which is hilairous to me because every trip to the cinema I went to this year ran Wish's trailer. Which probably means it was so dreadfully mediocre that the trailer was ineffective.

[@haunted2882]

We need more flawed female character's like Megara, she never trusted anyone and always hid her emotions, but that showed us that being open isn't a weakness.

[@Cure_Hana]

I always loved Meg for how sarcastic and jaded she was. The movie even poked fun at this by giving her a classic Disney Princess scenario with a pair of cute critters (Pain and Panic in disguise), only for her to harshly call them “a couple of rodents looking for a theme park.” 😂

[@tentacurl8583]

Exactly. I’m so tired of the “innocent female protagonist whose a little ditzy/clumsy/“quirky”” trope.

[@msk-qp6fn]

More like we need more female characters and protagonists that are cynical and sarcastic without being evil.

[@ahstiasummers5583]

Agreed. More and more modern female characters tend to look and act like they were pulled from some random teen's self-insert fanfic. Pretty face, socially awkward, and never has to grapple with a paradigm shift to any degree. It's always someone else's fault things are screwed up, they never contributed to it even slightly/unwillingly

[@isabeanie81]

@@ahstiasummers5583All the writers are locked up in cells, only able to use fanfiction as research 😔

[@hanoh2904]

Hearing such a world recognized company teaching kids " I are" broke me as an English teacher

[@lynxone9434]

I don't even speak English natively and it broke me too

[@Glasshouse828]

I R Baboon apparently wrote the songs for this movie

[@stevethepocket]

You must loathe _Sesame Street_ for exposing children to Cookie Monster.

[@liammcnicholas918]

The infinite monkey theorem

[@d4-v1d22]

I remembered hearing a way that could be fixed. If Star could talk, have them make grammatical errors, since they aren’t 100% familiar with English. Then that line would be a bit less painful

[@AA-wn1ed]

What bothered me slightly at the end was the queen so easily discarding her husband. While I get he went evil and it was implied he would be stuck that way. She had no sense of loss or grief for losing the "love of her life." She just casually tells them to go to jail at the end and doesn't bat an eye. Wtf

[@eatatjoes6751]

If this is supposed to be a prequel to all the wishing star bullshit, then Amara changed her name to Gertrude and hunted down some German kid because she got old or sold her husband to Snow White's stepmom.

[@cartoonishidealism582]

Kinda feels like more evidence that Magnifico being pure evil was like, a hasty rewrite or something to appeal to the crowd that wants classic Disney villains again.

[@kirkginoabolafia3650]

Yeah she really seemed to genuinely care about him, like the part when he is beginning to consider the forbidden magic she had a genuinely heartfelt appeal to him.

[@KirbyStarAnimation]

She has a line almost immediately before where she says that she tried to forgive because she loved him.

[@pinkduskstone1543]

She warned him not to dabble in forbidden magic, but he didn't listen. What did you think she would do after he lied to her and broke his promise?

[@RavenStarMedia]

The original plan for this movie was for Star to be a shapeshifter with a personality like a fusion of Peter Pan and the Genie, and meant to be Asha's love interest. And the king and queen were going to be an evil couple. I would have preferred that to what we got.

[@naiveparsley2917]

My God that would have been interesting!

[@00ammy00]

That sounds SO much more interesting! I want that movie!

[@tiara9624]

Oh my god I’d definitely watch that. Why does Disney always have the best concepts but the worst executions??

[@carlotta4th]

So basically they were going to rip off Stardust.

[@silver_dusk]

Damn, that sounds like a great and much better concept for this movie, so disappointing they didn't go for that and made it mediocre instead

[@Jonathan_Collins]

Do you know Walt Disney himself, and the company itself through 2010, would allow the writers MONTHS to work out the stories? Walt once threw out six months worth of work by his storyboard artists/writers when it became apparent to them and him the direction of the film wasn't working. (Pinocchio was delayed because they weren't happy with the character design). A writer on Toy Story 3 took six weeks to unknot a story problem and everyone was cool with that and liked his solution. Now, things are rushed through to feed the content pipeline and there's no time given to put something aside, ponder it, and rework it if necessary.

[@SpaceotterwithaMustache]

Slow and steady wins the race

[@jstarwars360]

Frozen was shelved TWICE because they couldn't crack the story. Good Dinosaur was delayed a year and a half to a full reworking of the film. I'm pretty Meet the Robinsons also got pushed back a year so they could redo more than half of the film.

[@goldengriffon]

Content over art.

[@koiloylo]

⁠@@jstarwars360and yet Frozen 2 was extremely rushed and unfinished

[@finnsmith9066]

I’m curious to know what the story problem was for toy story 3!

[@chimanruler15]

14:01 "...this movie lacks any real theme or significant message." You nailed it. That was EXACTLY how I felt after I watched the whole thing in theaters. Smh, Disney, wtf what were you doing?

[@diegonatan6301]

The message is: "Beware what you wish for" is for boomers, everyone that doesn't say immediately yes to your every whim is a villain.

[@casssiopeaa]

i red wrong the first time with "That was EXACTLY how I felt after I watched the whole thing in tears." and honestly didn't see anything wrong with it 😂😂

[@chimanruler15]

@@casssiopeaa LOL! XD

[@aidan4472]

So… about those “used a deep learning model-with no capability to put effective thematic flare into a movie- to play a massive part in writing said movie” allegations…

[@josiaharaki7310]

Also, I know, in the circles I saw commenting on the film anyway, the way the king was depicted in the trailers was interpreted as having a heavy anti-religion undertone due to how the king seemed to be a straw man caricature of God.

[@chazjohannsen]

Puss in Boots The Last Wish is all the wish-based animated fairytale movie I need.

[@hyperturbofox17]

Spirited Away is even better

[@jeromealday614]

​@@hyperturbofox17what? How tf is Spirited away a wish based movie? It's more of a Alice in Wonderland

[@hyperturbofox17]

Spirited Away is actually a Isekai movie but the main protagonist Chihiro wish that she should obey her parents and turn them back to normal.

[@hoxiipoxii56]

​@@hyperturbofox17Sure it's a good movie but it's not a better wish themed movie imo

[@traewilson5127]

King Magnifico isn't 1/100th the villain Big Jack Horner is.

[@jeremiahnoar7504]

The crazy thing is that it's not for the lack of resources. It's the largest entertainment company in the world. They could hire any talent anywhere around the world when ever they want. And this is the extent of their imagination when matched with their virtually unlimited resources.

[@amapola9202]

You know, your comment really made me have this small realization. Maybe having unlimited resources is stalling them. Limitations can be good for creativity, and it’s not like they don’t have them, but they’re the most powerful entertainment company in the world, so maybe they’re the closest to “unlimited” we’re ever gonna get. They also can get all the top talent they want but if they overwork them and give them no time to properly flesh out their ideas, they’re not gonna have good results either. It really is astounding how they can be so powerful yet miss the mark so much.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@amapola9202 Encanto was directed by Bryan Howard. He also did Zootopia and Tangled.

[@arlwiss5110]

capitalism

[@starchaser777]

they want to make more with less. basically what the commenter above me said lol

[@orangeslash1667]

@@starchaser777 sadly, that made too much sense.

[@ariesarchdemon]

The worst part about all of this is that I'm fairly certain when the Disney execs see how much this movie flopped, the only conclusion they'd probably make is that "animated Disney films don't work anymore." They've always worked, they just need to be GOOD.

[@Spamhard]

This wasn't a classic Disney animated film tho. it was cg

[@ariesarchdemon]

@@Spamhard I shoulda clarified I meant "classic" in the sense of storyline, like the inclusion of actual villains and theatrical songs, not classically 2D animation.

[@peteryeeterson5766]

@@ariesarchdemon I mean, a new 2d animated film would be lit as hell.

[@StarryNightxx]

What im more worried about is they ignore the criticism altogether and use the excuse that it's only because the main character is a POC 😬 I foresee them continuing to use minorities to their favour in this way to block out any possible criticism

[@drawingsheeptosleep6386]

@@StarryNightxx Moana and Encanto did pretty well, so I would hope they are not that dumb

[@hayleygrace6542]

The fact they didn’t get Alan Menken involved the 100 anniversary film is criminal.

[@ButterFlyGardenBlossom]

They had SO many options. Alan, Lin, the Lopezes, or other song producers that have proven their work in musical theater. But instead they go with two pop artists who have zero experience with musicals…?

[@NTMonsty]

How did he write for Sausage Party and not for Disney's 100 year anniversary film? What happened?

[@K0m30ng]

@@ButterFlyGardenBlossom I would've wanted Alan, Lin, and The Lopezs could actually collaborate together and make songs for this movie instead they went with someone else.....

[@Aurora-Welch]

Yes. Kinda criminal.

[@dimsumboy22]

cant have an old white man

[@protoi703]

So to fixed this story they should have: -kept the evil villain couple idea. Have a wish go so horribly wrong that it makes the king and queen go to the extreme. -have Asha as their daughter -return the wish star as the shape shifter. I like that the original plan was to have it as a love interest that had its own opinions. -have them team up against the evil couple. Just imagine the internal conflict Asha would have. Help the star or fight her parents. - even after wining the star should go overboard with wishes and Asha would have to stop it, realizing that not all wishes should come true. -Asha should have represented the middle ground, not all wishes should come true but her parents should not stop peoples dreams. The end message should be to let your wishes grow, don't give people everything but don't squash them. I hate how executives think they know better. You need a balance between business and artistry or else you end up with a hollow picture.

[@KyootNy]

Not you making a movie I would love to watch. Now I’m sad it doesn’t exist.

[@ButterFlyGardenBlossom]

We were robbed of this so freaking much. I wanna visit a timeline where the film’s plot is this…

[@OhNoItsExpiredMilk]

This is literally the soul they took from Wish, I hate it so much everything could have been amazing but no ☹️

[@Leafiu]

Concept production always ends up better than the final product. Remember how Elsa was originally going to be the villain of frozen?

[@sunflowerdayze]

Omg this sounds like an amazing movie! I didn't watch wish, but I would love to watch your version lmao

[@NintendodudeX]

My 6 year old niece saw this movie with her Mom and told me she loved the movie. When I asked her what she liked about it, she said, "The popcorn was delicious." 😂 Yeah, I think Disney is definitely in a rut if my own niece can't mention a single part she liked and just remembered the popcorn she ate. At least when I brought her to the Mario Movie, she was singing "Peaches" in the car ride home.

[@nailinthefashion]

She's 6, ask her again but actually about the movie and not generally. I love popcorn too, maybe she didn't think to mention a specific part of the film because .... she's 6 .. how much of it can she even remember other than the goat or star lmao

[@Itariatan]

​@@nailinthefashion6 years old is already school aged, get outta here talking like she's a baby lmao

[@nailinthefashion]

@@Itariatan I worked with kids ages 3-17 for over a decade. They aren't universally intelligent enough to understand you're asking "which scene was your favourite" vs "what was fun" A kid who likes food is gonna say popcorn, as I would most of the time, unless you're specific enough lmao

[@Itariatan]

@@nailinthefashion That's fair, my point is you have no way of knowing how the question was formulated, either. And I doubt a 6 year old wouldn't be smart enough to to say something like "I like the star" or "I like the princess"

[@nailinthefashion]

@@Itariatan they literally said they asked "what did you like about it" lol like I get what yall are saying but one 6 year old isn't a a sign of "Disney definitely being in a rut" but just one 6 year old who didn't care about it that much If I saw it at that age I'd say the star and songs, if I saw Snow White I'd say the popcorn. To each their own, yknow? These comments are so silly. Imma enjoy my fairy god mother variant origin story in peace tho y'all don't need to enjoy it since it already exists

[@NatalieEngland-kb9dj]

Disney really wanted to push toys for this one. I was in the doll aisle of my local Walmart, and Wish dolls were already lining the shelves. I hadn't even seen a single trailer on KZbin or TV. Were they hoping kids would just automatically want them because they were Disney, not caring that they hadn't seen the movie yet? Not only that, but they were really cheap looking dolls. They looked rushed.

[@katsfire6635]

Same! I saw an entire cardboard cutout and a whole clothes rack dedicated to this film with pjs and clothes. my first thought was 'is this film even out yet?' I bet parents are gonna see thats its disney and just buy it for their kids anyway without thinking much of it bc 'disney good'.

[@boeneca]

there are other doll lines out there that do better even when the story isn't their main focus but even then, their webisodes and dedicated movies were still as engaging, take monster high and ever after high (sad to say that eah was cancelled)

[@MacenW]

​@@katsfire6635i have an aunt like that. Wealthy, takes annual trips to Disney world.

[@katsfire6635]

@@MacenW well I hope you liked wish lol

[@greendoritoman2464]

Capitalism

[@ThePiachu]

Worse yet, for a movie called Wish, you see fewer wishes granted than in frigging Alladin, a movie about a genie with an explicit limit of wishes he can grant... The wishing star itself only granted one wish - the goat's desire to talk...

[@bryberrydacoldestberry710]

whole movie they're just like we will not grant ur wishes tf kind of selfish lazy request is that

[@hilotakenaka]

It’s so baffling how Disney’s strategy for making sure people watch their films nowadays is to do literally zero marketing. Here where I live, there has been zero advertisements for it, and the only time I’ve even HEARD of Wish was someone saying the box office projections were awful _two days_ before release

[@sirhc9538]

Right? I didn't even know it was coming out this year, I thought it was going to be a mid-2024 release.

[@K0m30ng]

I knew this was about to come out (still not interested to see it) because Disney these days always releases new animated movies every Thanksgiving, I heard that they're already preparing another one for next year's Thanksgiving for a new release. It seems like this formula release thing where Disney releases new animated movies every Thanksgiving. Oh I also watched the Taylor Swift concert movie in theaters, they played the Wish trailer for two times

[@judeconnor-macintyre9874]

I only found out "Wish" existed while leaving the theatres of the newest Hunger Games movie.

[@ToibiDoesStuff]

Really? I've seen so many advertisements for this movie lately and was like "huh at least Disney actually has decent marketing now" so its surprising to see so many people say otherwise (not just online, I saw an ad on the news once and several Wish-themed merch at the store)

[@Alicenomono]

In Brazil the movie's coming out in TWO MONTHS from now. Like, wtf?

[@TheAlterose]

You know, reading about how the King's whole deal was that he was well loved by his kingdom but once people start questioning his judgement, he repeatedly goes off on the idea of "This is the thanks I get for all the good I've given you?!", I couldn't help but sort of think- "Huh, that's almost a very back handed acknowledgment of how Disney as a whole takes critiques nowadays". Also I will laugh that the friend betrayal bit was basically spoiled in the first trailer in the sense of you see that character getting their wish granted by the king lol

[@madsceptictrooper6803]

It's almost like the team responsible for making the trailers asked someone to find cool looking scenes. Then that someone decided to check out Wish without paying attention to the narrative and thought "a guy becoming a knight" looks really cool and should be used as an example of King Magnifico's wish granting power.

[@SpinDuality]

Honestly, I was rooting for the king because the people was just treating his position like it was nothing. Like, that's your king, you cannot just go off infront of people like that.

[@NakanoMiku-chan-z2m]

@@SpinDuality also the king is right. Not all wishes can or should be granted.

[@Furienna]

@@NakanoMiku-chan-z2m It is not about that, it is about that he stole their wishes and parts of their personalities. Then he would only grant their wishes if it benefited him.

[@ricardosnowbacks6404]

@@Furienna We did not steal, they all agreed to give their wishes to i'm.

[@sarcasticat6979]

I saw someone describe the villain song as "AI generated" and I can't think of a better descriptor. And on the adorkable problem: Rapunzel and Mirabelle get a pass in my opinion, because Rapunzel was socially secluded and was also the first 'adorkable' lead, while Mirabelle is try-harding like crazy to live up to her literal magical family. It makes sense for them to have those personalities given the context of their stories. Moana and Anna though? Raised as royalty. There's no reason for them to be like that. Although tbf, I didn't find the trope obnoxious until Asha.

[@genericname2747]

Anna was also isolated though. She has never interacted with normal people until the gates are opened

[@mahlicaajaib5231]

Anna had a similar backstory in the film too though. It works because it can be explained easily in the story (her upbringing )and not shoehorned in for cheap laughs Mirabel is more forced: the directors literally just said make her quirky and there wasn't that same thought behind it

[@dohavename6775]

​@@genericname2747unlike Rapunzel's, Anna's isolation was a plot contrivance, not necessity. For the world of me, why just not let Anna socialise? There's no answer whatsoever. It's just needed **in order** to have her quirky and naïve. It should be the other way around.

[@zephyr3693]

Anna shouldn’t have been quite as dorky and “quirky”, while yes she was pretty isolated in the castle, her older sister wasn’t even allowed to leave her bedroom or interact with her own family and didn’t turn out like that. Disney just wanted to recapture the success of Tangled by having another princess with the same personality type as Rapunzel (and I’m saying this as a huge Frozen fan)

[@genericname2747]

@dohavename6775 That's fair. I'm just willing to accept her being isolated because she's royalty. I think it makes sense for her to not interact with commoners. The movie never explains why she hasn't befriended the servants though.

[@shravyamishra1033]

You know, Disney could have done the "too nice" trope, where the king is so kind that it is harming the city of Rosas. He fulfills EVERY wish and feels underappreciated. Asha could have been the voice of pragmatism while all the city is in chaos due to their wishes being fulfilled one after the other. This song matchs the vibe. Also, the line 'be careful what you wish for', on the movie's poster would be matching the theme, this way.

[@TallyHallic]

Get this man in the studio NOW

[@mrsillytacos]

Did you copy and paste this comment? Lol

[@shravyamishra1033]

@@mrsillytacos check the name :)

[@NotAdriana03]

Man, remember when people thought Perrito from Puss in Boots was gonna be the annoying animal sidekick? Seems like Disney does what Dreamworks didn't

[@genericname2747]

The Shrek franchise has gone back to its roots of mocking Disney and making quality movies

[@MegaSoulHero]

Funny thing is Perrito’s voice actor is in Wish as one of Asha’s friends.

[@karolinakuc4783]

​@@MegaSoulHeroPoor guy.

[@msk-qp6fn]

​@@MegaSoulHero i hope he cashed that check

[@MegaSoulHero]

@@msk-qp6fn He’s been in worse things.

[@reidsneid2046]

Disney will NOT be dodging the AI songwriting allegations after lines like “I let you live here for free without even charging rent” for their main villains songs 💀💀

[@josephtafur]

That would be Juila Michaels

[@cakepann]

“I’m always there when you need to vent” come on now!

[@Harbinger_of_entropy]

Oh 100%

[@hybridvenom9]

ai

[@K0m30ng]

Well that's a shame on Julia Michaels lol

[@ShadowKitty7908]

I think part of the reason why Asha doesn’t work is because her dorky personality doesn’t have anyone to bounce off of. Besides her friends who aren’t in the movie for the majority of it until the end. Rapunzel, Anna and Mirabel have characters to bounce off of. Mirabel’s Family, Eugene, and Elsa/Krastoff all contrast well. Also they had more story relevancy to be the dorks they are. Rapunzel/Anna locked away for years so they had built up a lot of personality from being suppressed. And Mirabel desperately wants to be noticed and appreciated. So having a big bubbly personality is a good way to get her recognized. Here Asha feels Dorky for the sake of being dorky. And it can feel overwhelming at times. For example (Spoilers) When she’s facing off Magnifico instead of a cool battle of magic from a master expert vs new beginner but who is trying her best. We get a chase scene involving her fumbling with a wand. It’s not bad but I think it would have been more interesting.

[@TheRibottoStudios]

I think the dorky thing could've been better exploited if she were actually trying to impress the king with her own magical abilities too. Like from the jump. Then have her grow over time when she makes the wish. She isn't a bad character but I am also tired of the adorkable trend

[@ShadowKitty7908]

@@TheRibottoStudios Fr. Then it would have made the whole “Fairy god mother” job feel more earned.

[@chromxrobinandcorrinxcamil9031]

Frozen = toxic shit timeline. Mine is FAR superior.

[@andreafraustoz]

is funnier that Ainbo a Peruvian movie made Ainbo very quirky but reliable than Asha since she inspred by Moana even she's native Amazon

[@the-ma-an]

Not to mention they had defining personalities and goals, and weren't just quirky for the sake of being quirky; Mirabel was an underdog in the Madrigal family whose strength was her empathy, Raya didn't trust anyone but had to learn to trust again in order to save her father, Anna just wanted to be there for Elsa, and Rapunzel had a desire to see the world outside her tower. Also, it's strongly hinted that Rapunzel and Anna were socially awkward because they were isolated for so long.

[@ennaaizpuru663]

I have 2 theories about why they chose those two to make the music for wish: 1) they were the only ones who didn't participate on the strike 2) they were hoping for the music to have a similar impact that "Let it go" did, by choosing pop musicians they intended to produce a hit for "everyone".

[@TallyHallic]

Pretty compelling, ngl

[@FayeLawnKrack3d]

Thing is, Let it Go had a more uplifting vibe. Else was a princess who was shunned for her powers, now, she has the chance to express herself with her gift.

[@lovemesomemoss4260]

I work at a movie theater and I can honestly say I think the kids have noticed a dip in quality, even at the end of minimally impactful movies they come out really excited telling their parents who their favorite character was or singing one of the songs under their breath, but I really havent seen that from any kids coming out of wish, they just kind of shuffle out of the theater and go home. The parents are not too happy either.

[@ismeza76]

Your on the field report is valued 🤣👌

[@lunactiathemoth]

when LITERAL CHILDREN know that your shit is mid you need to reevaluate your workflow

[@angel_of_rust]

they could be spending money anywhere else too.

[@TheKnellBelle]

Lol the parents are wondering what the heck they just paid $60 for.

[@katlyndobransky2419]

I work at an AMC and I too didn’t really notice many happy kids after watching Wish… after Encanto and Spiderverse I noticed many happy people. Hell kids were happy about Trolls. Not with Wish

[@marcus3445]

Congratulations Disney for the first Disney Junior movie to get a theatrical release. Now seriously, this feels like a Disney Junior movie, and not just because of the art style.

[@WaksWorld05]

I just realized the artstyle looks like Sofia the First like wtf.

[@annamelvina216]

This almost feels like a disservice to Sofia. She at least feels like an original character.

[@noathern]

As weird as it is to say I'd consider this worse than a Sofia the first or Elena of avalon movie would be because yeah they're designed for kids and are very kiddie based shows but they still had stories to tell and an overarching story to follow

[@faeonie]

bruh sofia the first actually had great, thought-out lore and character devt for a disney junior show

[@TheUltimateLegend7]

​@noathern and they were actually entertaining. And the songs... my dad has never seen an episode of Elena of Avalor but he still sings it sometimes because he heard me and my siblings. It was so iconic

[@MerciStarM]

“i let you live here for free and i don’t even charge you rent” was the most frustrating line for me. you wouldn’t be charging someone for rent anyways if they were already there for free!!

[@greatninja2590]

I assume its Tax.

[@hollowwoods7130]

Disney needs to learn the meaning of redundancy

[@bryanwigmore7224]

@@hollowwoods7130It's rapidly becoming their mission statement.

[@nightfall4434]

Ai can’t make a good song 🤷‍♂️

[@zenmasterwannabe]

AI "songwriting" can be like that.

[@jonalban4349]

I don’t understand how anyone anywhere could think that it’s a bad thing to selectively grant wishes. Some wishes are bad. And some wishes just contradict each other, and so they can’t both be granted.

[@Raximus3000]

And some are vague as hell. LIke inspiring people... The phrase "be careful what you wish for" exists for a reason! The idea he was completely wrong is laughable also if i am not mistaken people were okay even without them... This sounds like a child who did not get his way making a movie why he should get his way.

[@ButterFlyGardenBlossom]

Lol PiB The Last Wish’s climax, they literally HAD to destroy the star to stop Jack Horner to make a wish to control all magic…. this movie really doesn’t realize that some dreams can be deadly and/or selfish :/

[@Raximus3000]

@@ButterFlyGardenBlossom The comparison to PiB the last wish and wish feels like bullying. I will do it anyway, last wish had three main wishes the selfish villainous from Jack Horner, the one from Goldylocks which was heartly but in the end she had what she was after all along and the one from Puss which was effectively a matter of life and death. You have greed, heartbreaking desire and desperate need, those wishes are not on the same level but according to the idiotic wish logic all of them are the same, wish has a naive at best stupid at worst way at looking at things, even pre-schooler shows would not have such awful message.

[@Cam1417-TK]

What if two or more people wish to be the "best in the entire world" at the same thing? If there are multiple "number 1" at something at the same time, it means they are not "the best in the world" but "among the best", so technically their wishes weren't truly granted.

[@overlydramaticpanda]

I can't help but feel something that would have helped this immensely was if Asha was a literal child (like...10 years old max). At least then it would be somewhat understandable why she doesn't get that not granting every wish isn't in and of itself a bad thing.

[@K0m30ng]

I know by the fact that this is obviously just for merchandise purpose but still, giving the animal sidekick a voice to talk is the biggest mistake this movie did. Most Disney animal sidekicks are at their best when they just don't talk Edit : Calm down people, when i said most, I don't mean all. Yeah there have been some talking animal sidekick that were good but there's still not many. I mean Hei Hei The Chicken could've been worse if he does talk 🤷

[@KirbyStarAnimation]

What about flounder and pongo.

[@TheRibottoStudios]

Maybe they felt the need that ONE of the fun sidekicks to talk, but then you have Abu and Carpet who BOTH don't talk.

[@demetriam2408]

​@@KirbyStarAnimationwho thinks of pongo as a sidekick?

[@samuelstrautmann63]

It’s also such a waste of Alan Tudyk.

[@TheRibottoStudios]

​@@samuelstrautmann63legit first thought it was Prof x as the goat lol

[@itskevinolear]

Damn this movie’s got Schaf defending Raya AND Ralph Breaks the Internet. This is serious 🧐

[@ButterFlyGardenBlossom]

I mean, he did say that they were worse and still bad at the beginning

[@JohnPeacekeeper]

Is it weird that I unironically enjoyed both Raya for its sense of adventure and Ralph Breaks the Internet's sense of introspection? Wish is hot garbage though.

[@memecliparchives2254]

​@@JohnPeacekeeperBoth sides represent how either movies oculd be seen as bad, whether they are the worst or just disappointing. Ralph Breaks the Internet and Raya are disappointing because of how they handled their otherwise great concepts. But Wish is just downright generic despite its also interesting concept.

[@Attaxalotl]

Raya fumbled the message but was otherwise a really good movie!

[@SteampunkHorse]

@@memecliparchives2254very well said!

[@WeeabossVA]

The fact that "I'm Just Ken" and "Rafael's Final Act" from Baldur's Gate 3 turned out to be better "Disney villain songs" released this year than whatever the heck Disney themselves put out with "This is the Thanks I Get?" is just... bafflingly.

[@K0m30ng]

And that's sad to hear knowing that Julia Michaels wrote the songs for the movie, if you looked at her experience writing songs for other artists, you know that she's very talented but idk why her songwriting here is absolutely forgettable eventhough i did like "This Is The Thanks I Get" 😂. Glad that Barbie did well with Mark Ronson (yeah that Uptown Funk guy) as the songwriter

[@AlechiaTheWitch]

Yea. Like does disney just like flood there offices with like uncreative gas or something like that?

[@coal159]

not a fair comparison, Baldurs gate 3 is made by talented people and Wish is made by AI. And Ryan Gosling is Ryan Gosling

[@sporeham1674]

​@@coal159Ryan Gosling my beloved.

[@TheRibottoStudios]

You have to realize this is the first PROPER villain we've had since 2016. IF you count Tamatoa and his number. Or Te Ka but she didn't sing. It makes sense they're a bit rusty with the villain number. But the character himself is great honestly. Chris Pine killed it per usual

[@huntercool2232]

Wish is the perfect example of targeting only one type of audience. As a wise man once said, “A children’s story that can only be enjoyed by children is not a good children’s story in the slightest.” -C.S. Lewis

[@cloudshines812]

Its like Disney is stuck in this Old Hollywood trend that we had decades ago. Nobody liked watching these kiddie, fantasy, musical films anymore because nobody was attracted to it. Even something like The Hunger Games and Godzilla Minus One, two films doomed for failure STILL had more attention and love

[@KHAYREE-kc]

@@cloudshines812they gotta learn by nect movie

[@KHAYREE-kc]

@@cloudshines812next

[@enegizedadam]

​@@KHAYREE-kcthey won't. Greed is you answer

[@KHAYREE-kc]

@@enegizedadam hopefully they will we can’t say they won’t they done got so much hate and pointing outs by fans on what they don’t like they were getting so much hate before this movie if the next movie is bad its for greed

[@GAL-CAKE]

THE FACT THAT WE COULD'VE HAD A VILLAIN COUPLE AND A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN A SHAPESHIFTING STAR BOY AND ASHA WOULD'VE BEEN SO FUCKING COOL AAGHH

[@silver_dusk]

SERIOUSLY I think I've heard so many times about pretty cool concepts from the prestages of mid movies that were better than the final product that shouldve been kept instead of scrapped

[@tsuki3752]

i don’t mind disney going in the direction of not giving their female protagonists love interests but like… they can do it well and have them fall in love 😭 i think kristoff and anna were the best modern example of this. he didn’t save her at the end but it didn’t mean they weren’t in love. and the couples before that were also really well written (eugene/rapunzel, tiana/naveen). there’s been a few princesses that haven’t had love interests and that’s ok but like… romantic love DOES exist and you can still fall in love at that age 😭 idk disney heard the praises that people gave them like one ten years ago and have been riding that ever since. idm having a romance if you like, flesh out both of the characters and make their relationship and chemistry actually interesting.

[@Kawaiikitten0211]

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT TOO. When I first saw the start of marketing for the movie, I thought "huh it'd look a lot more interesting if the star transformed into a humanoid male character to be the love interest."

[@kymo6343]

I'm so mad I'm so mad UGH I freaking DEMAND the REAL version of WISH!!

[@kymo6343]

@@tsuki3752 Respectfully I think Eugene/Rapunzel and Naveen/Tiana are much better couples than Kristoff/Anna likes obvs Kristoff was better for her than Hans but I almost feel like that's the only reason they worked out. Like gosh Hans was such a dbag to me but you've been nice and you're here soooo wanna be king of my country? pffft... XD;;;

[@vjbd2757]

If Disney wants to celebrate 100 years with an animated film then just do another Fantasia movie.

[@PsychoticWonders0725]

People don't like those too much.

[@rattyeely]

​@@PsychoticWonders0725they always flop, but they're great movies and it would be a nice tribute to the studio's history

[@tatltails3923]

People don't like this movie either, lol @@PsychoticWonders0725

[@taydrabrookshire347]

Or make Once Upon a Studio a whole feature film

[@alexisdorris272]

To be fair, to my knowledge, the Fantasia movies were just amalgams of unused / scrapped animations that disney cobbled together and sold for a quick buck. You can't really do that in 3d (which is all disney has anymore) because uh...most of that shit is scrapped in the pre-render phase when everything looks like a potato with teeth 😂 shit would be horrifying

[@CanonessEllinor]

Just based on the clips and promotional images, what weirds me out about this film is that it doesn’t really seem to have a visual identity beyond… violet? Most memorable Disney films have a strong sense of place and a visual identity so distilled that you can boil it down to a keychain design while still being recognizable. Take a film like Encanto, everything about that production SCREAMS South America. The color choices, the simulated materials, the prop designs, the plant life, the costumes, even the lighting. You look at a still from that movie and you just know you’re in Colombia. Same thing with Moana: bright pacific sunlight, wood, reeds and flowers, lush vegetation juxtaposed with crystal water. Or even Frozen with its Norwegian wood carvings, folk patterns and pale northern daylight. This movie though? It’s supposed to be set in a fairy tale version of Iberia, but it just looks like an eerily clean generic fantasy setting populated by LARPers recruited off the streets of LA. It all looks weirdly fake and unmoored from any real culture, which isn’t an issue I’ve had with a Disney movie before. I guess what I’m trying to say is that the world of Wish looks like you ordered a Disney movie from Wish.

[@faithlernerason3200]

Finally! When I look at clips of this movie it just feels set in fantasy Europe not any specific place with a specific thing

[@eatatjoes6751]

The film looks like it's set in a miniature Disneyland.

[@yasmineh.1333]

I was convinced that this whole time it was supposed to take place in North Africa, and I got very bitter at the missed opportunity. I even had an idea about using traditional North African jewelry to support the whole 'Star' motif this movie is supposed to have. Oh well. I'm kind of glad I was wrong, in a way.

[@yasmineh.1333]

@@eatatjoes6751 Honestly I wouldn't even be surprised if that was on purpose.

[@Drekromancer]

@@yasmineh.1333 That would have been fucking sick. I'd love to see that movie.

[@rebeccahallett6442]

Dreamworks made Puss In Boots: The last Wish, which was a wish-based movie, and then Disney made their wish-based movie; Wish... I think Dreamworks won.

[@jwroot]

Yeah they won the wish aspect easily. There was so much heart and soul put into Puss in Boots 2 than... This.

[@Nopeasaurus]

Puss in boots: the Last Wish also had a much better animation style, using beautiful painterly effects that added a more dreamy, fairytale aspect. Wish's attempt to add a hand-drawn '"watercolor" effect ended up making the movie look unsaturated and unrendered.

[@DanGamingFan2406]

It's a shame a celebration of 100 years turned out to be so generic and forgetable, even with all it had going for it. Cool hybrid animation, bringing back true villains, Ariana DeBose, and they still screwed up. Those songs actually felt AI generated. They need to start taking risks and changing up their formula, or they'll be left in the dust. I know some of us want that, but while I dislike the corporation, I still want the studio to do great things again.

[@demetriam2408]

Im gonna be honest, the animation is just netflix original show style.

[@TheRibottoStudios]

​@demetrian8448 why is that an insult cause nimona is on Netflix

[@watershipup7101]

Very much agreed. It just felt kinda samey.

[@tommasoastaldi2513]

This was the movie that was supposed to be a beautiful celebration and wonderful addition to the roster of movies of the FIRST great animation studio in history, the one that basically invented modern animation, and they blew it disastrously. They cannot recover after this.

[@demetriam2408]

@@TheRibottoStudios show style, like series, with seasons. The movies generally look pretty fantastic, but I'm thinking more like 3d attempting to look 2d and failing, like really bad genshin impact models, the 2d outline on a 3d character style. That sort of thing

[@SoldierDelta]

With Wish's critical failure, I want to point out this year in Disney as a whole. If we're talking major pictures that they expected to make money, they released Ant-man: Quantumania, Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3, The Little Mermaid, Elemental, Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny, Haunted Mansion, The Marvels and Wish. That's a respectable amount of film releases and would've made for an excellent 100th anniversary for the studio if all or even most of them were successful. Of the above, only two managed to get a 70 or above on Rotten Tomatoes, with the majority also being box office bombs or not very successful. Those successful films? Elemental, the polarizing Pixar film that only just survived it's box-office run by being a sleeper-hit... and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3, a film that wouldn't exist if it weren't for James Gunn's dedication to the series, a notably anti-Disney film taking potshots at several aspects of their business and the last directorial effort from Gunn due to his change in role to head of the new DC universe. Their nostalgia bait efforts aren't working despite the slate of live-action remakes on the horizon, the MCU is gasping for air under the weight of high-budget productions with minimal returns both in critical and commercial areas despite having more releasing next year, LucasFilm is keeping with their track record of flops after flops despite having more Star Wars films planned to release when interest is at an all-time low, and the animation studios are only able to survive by good word-of-mouth which isn't a guarantee given their continuous mixed track record. Disney was a place for artists 100 years ago.

[@averymorse4964]

You just made me realize that I haven't watched a single Disney related release in their entire 100th anniversary year. None felt worth watching :(

[@brianaboston1351]

Correction: Disney was a place for old white male artists 100 years ago.

[@twotruckslyrics]

@@averymorse4964same here…. 😭

[@isaywhateveriwantandyougot7421]

100% based. If they made outright bad movies that everyone hated, then that would still give them some public attention, but they're not. Their best films now are occasionally considered just above average, as in a "I recommend this IF... " scenario, and their worst films are just passed off as boring and not worth your time in any way. Yes, they get trashtalked for their bad treatment of staff members and transparent production costs, but that's not something you're guaranteed to catch on to when you actually watch the movie

[@Attmay]

Flagged for racist Misandrist ageist hate speech.

[@huntercool2232]

Disney has just completely forgotten about the saying *”quality over quantity.”* Did you know that the writers at Disney were once given 6 whole months to write out a story? Why have film companies just completely forgotten about that it doesn’t matter how long it takes to make film, all that matters is that the film turns out good! If a movie is good, it’s likely that people are gonna watch it! Many people today don’t care as much anymore about deadlines, THEY JUST WANNA SEE A GOOD MOVIE!! Plus it gets people all the more hyped up when the movie does eventually come out! The only way Disney can save themselves now is if they just stop, take a step back, and reevaluate everything and start fresh. Because what they’ve been doing is getting exhausting to watch.

[@CarloNassar]

Finally, someone has an idea/solution (a good one, too). I've seen too many other people just want them to fall.

[@felixorozco4055]

6 months is almost nothing to write a story though.

[@nailinthefashion]

For you. It's exhausting for you. Your expectations are in your way. Wish is a really fun film, I laughed, I cried, I sang. Turning Red, like, everything modern has been incredible even if the general audience doesn't "get it" Strange World is one of my favourite films of all time, doesn't need to be a universal beloved classic to be that for me. It's niche, as it should be, as Wish is. It's about a fairy God mother origin, not yet another princess but something unique and y'all take that for granted too, but its whatever. It exists, so I'm happy

[@felixorozco4055]

@@nailinthefashion I'm glad you found enjoyment in them. While I don't love these movies, I don't think they are as bad as people make them out to be, but i understand expecting lore from the biggest studio in the world. Don't enjoy wish, personally, but Turning Red was cool. My favourite of these modern films has been Luca.

[@nailinthefashion]

@@felixorozco4055 Wish is a fairy god mother origin story but people are sooooo cynical and want so much, they ignore what's in front of them. The lore is right there. They gave us a perfectly delicious film, but not everyone eats at the same restaurant. That's what people don't get nowadays, not liking something doesn't mean it's bad, and if you take someone's word for it without watching it that's literally what Magnifico wants lol. Blissful ignorance One of the stories I've worked on hasn't gone public outside of friends in over a decade lol. These people don't even know what true patience is let alone what can be accomplished quickly if given enough resources 🧚🏽‍♀️🧍🏾‍♂️

[@dafarmer3721]

Here’s the deal. Took my daughter with my nieces and sister to this movie. I suggested migration but nooooo. Problems. 1. Art style this looks like a straight to Netflix tv show compared to previous films. 2. Messaging. The message that everyone’s dreams no matter what should come true is not good. Be careful what you wish for is a better message. 3. Characters were so cringe. 4. Villain was the good guy honestly.

[@LillanaMeadows-zc9tj]

Aladdin somehow pulled off the "be careful what you wish for" Moral better, in a way lmao. Like it wasn't Aladdin's wish of being a prince that won over Jasmine. It was his inner character lol. In fact, Jasmine had been so used to stuffy princess who treated her more like an object that she was understandably VERY skeptical of Al as "Prince Ali". His wish actively hampered his budding relationship with Jasmine until he came clean. He got what he wanted: becoming a prince to be able to marry Jasmine. But JASMINE wanted more than just a prince.

[@Nopeasaurus]

​@@LillanaMeadows-zc9tj Exactly and they also took the time to also show why Aladdin wanted that wish. Why it was so important to him. He thought becoming a prince would win over Jasmine because Aladdin has grown up feeling inferior his entire life, he was an orphan, forced to steal to survive. He dreamt of being rich his entire life, but Jasmine was the catalyst for him to make to want that wish to come true. He thought Jasmine would never love his "true self": a filthy street rat. What does Aisha wish for? To make her grandfather's wish come true, which was incredibly vague wish: to "inspire people." That's pretty much it.

[@BrendanJSmith]

I remember back when Frozen came out people were saying Disney had entered a new Renaissance. Looking back, we couldn't have been more wrong. The 2010s and 2020s would be more accurately described as Disney's "Too Big To Fail" era. Weaponizing nostalgia and buying out the competition so they don't have to try anymore. And how poetic that a year that was supposed to be Disney's huge 100-Year celebration immediately became their worst year of all time on all accounts. Happy fucking 100 years, Disney. You don't deserve to make it to 200.

[@urbanphoenix09]

I do think it had a mini renaissance, when you consider how things were going before Tangled, which is NOT GOOD. Now we’re back to “dark ages” 70-80s era struggles or 2000s struggles, but these things always cycle. The thing that made the 90s renaissance happen was musical theater numbers, and the 2010s renaissance was 3D animation. We’ll have the find the next big thing for the next renaissance

[@impartialghost]

this is really well said. i feel like all corporations nowadays feel like they can get away with doing this shit, and they actually can. people wouldn't stop buying from mcdonald's if they put small doses of rat poison in every mcgriddle. too many people are relying on the capitalist system because it's all they know, and it's going to lead to even bigger sacrifices of quality to make up for the immense quantities that industrialization calls for

[@themask6301]

Frozen is the blueprint for everything that’s wrong with Disney nowadays. Thanks to its ridiculous hype and success, Disney movies now have to feature the shoehorned meta-textual critique against their older movies ("you can’t marry a man you just met 🥴"), the plot twist villain for the sake of a plot twist villain, a ridiculous amount of plot-holes, forgettable songs (except Let it Go), a useless sidekick and love interest, and the annoying, adorkable princess (they tried way too hard to make Anna so RelaTable and not-like-other-girls). And god forbid the princess falls in love now, because "I’m too quirky for romantic love." Like, there’s nothing wrong with subverting classic Disney tropes and I don’t expect every Disney movie to be all about romantic love - heck, there are plenty of Disney movies prior to Frozen whose themes don’t involve around romantic love - but it can be done without insulting older movies and feeling so proud about it. Enchanted did this pretty well. Now, who knows how long the Frozen tropes will last? Thanks, Frozen, you sucked out all of the Disney magic. I’ll hate you forever (no, I’ll never "leT iT GoOooO").

[@flyingstapler1241]

@@themask6301 Do the new movies actually insult princesses who fall in love? I can only think of Elsa warning Anna and she was justified in it. Plus Anna still ended up with a guy she met in 1 day.

[@themask6301]

@@flyingstapler1241 Anna falling in love-at-first-sight came out of nowhere, because the movie didn’t establish that romantic love is something that she has talked about or has fantasized about before. It was simply jammed in there. Her ending up with the second guy she meets is also laughably hypocritical, because it undermines the whole message the movie kept hammering across that one shouldn’t fall in love-at-first-sight with someone, because you don’t know if you can trust them just yet. In regards to Elsa, after being locked away from her sister, keeping to herself, she all of a sudden has that deadpan expression and says in the most condescending tone possible when Anna tells her that she and Hans want to get married? It just doesn’t make sense to her character. The whole movie was a mess. The metatextual critique is found in Moana and in pretty much all live-action remakes. I highly recommend Lindsay Ellis’ review of Beauty and the Beast (2017), her criticisms of that remake perfectly apply to Frozen, which precedes B&B ‘17. She aptly breaks down everything that’s wrong with modern Disney.

[@EmerialynCodeVenice]

Rhyming "Here I are" with "star" truly made me feel like this is a horror or satire film and they're just pranking us 😱

[@KTKomedy2813]

They fucking didn’t…!

[@brandonmclendon5368]

@@KTKomedy2813 They did, and it was awful

[@cloudshines812]

@@brandonmclendon5368Listen to any modern rap song. I DARE YOU to tell me if there is ONE creative rhyme

[@serenitysubs933]

HERE I ARE?

[@disneyvillainsfan1666]

If that lyric isn't AI generated, then I don't know what is.

[@ewbait]

It should have been a 2D movie and that's painfully clear. I would have watched it just BECAUSE it would be 2D. I'm sure many of the animators at the studio would have loved to do it, but I'm sure executives disagreed. I suppose that's what happens when you abandon 2D animation for nearly 2 decades. Either by attrition of talent or corporate interference.

[@Genoh_]

Being 2D would not have made the script or the songs better. Wish still would be mid even if it was 2D.

[@cameronbosch1213]

​@@Genoh_But at least it would have stood out. The released version barely stands out in any way, good or bad. It's just like they didn't finish the movie and only finished part of Frozen 3! 😂

[@Genoh_]

@@cameronbosch1213 problem is, if they barely tried for the 3D animation, then I have no doubt that a 2D film would've been so painfully average to look at that it would've embarrassed Disney further. Lots of 2D animated projects have raised the bar for Disney, such as Klaus or the newly released Scott Pilgrim anime. If the story is bad *and* the 2d animation was uninspiring, audiences would be furious.

[@blank7871]

@@Genoh_ You forget the fact that disney fans are so used to mediocre content, that seeing "NEW 2D MOVIE FROM DISNEY" as the main attraction, they will sell their right brain cortex to prove it's "good" in any way or form. (Disney fans are a lot, and im not including children)

[@Foervraengd]

They will never do a full 2D animation movie because the difference between 2D and 3D animation is the former is unionized and the latter isnt.

[@samuellund1377]

"Powerful person touched magical book and now they're EEEEVILLLLL" is such a lame cop out for writing an interesting motivation for a villain. They could have gone the "heavy is the head that wears the crown" route where the king has power, but has many rivals that threaten his power and that paranoia pushes him over the edge. Or something more interesting than this.

[@damonlam9145]

This film felt like what Disney believed the fans wanted by crossing off a bunch of boxes on a checklist without putting much effort into any of the tasks on the list.

[@madsceptictrooper6803]

Yeah, that is the exact vibe I got from this movie.

[@billcorbeau8981]

Perfectly summed up thank you

[@drdewott9154]

"See we have the recipe for profit, this is what people want right? Now crank up the factory, we have a shareholder payout soon"

[@skysiren4113]

Apparently the Queen was also ment to be a villian along with Manifico but it was change for some strange reason, which sucks cause that could've been way more interesting and fun Not only would the stakes be much higher since both of the rulers are trying to stop Asha as well as explain why the Queen still allows Manifico to do this since she's part of the scheme, but it could've been so much fun seeing seeing them bounce of each other, acting all lovey-dovey while doing evil stuff (like imagine a duet villian song that's a twisted version of Disney's old love duets like A Whole New World or Can You Feel The Love Tonight) but this genuinely interesting and unique idea was thrown out the window just so they could make one of the most soulless Disney film I've seen. I really wanted to like Wish but all I got was another reason why I don't like Disney as a company

[@msk-qp6fn]

We all could have used a new evil couple in a functioning relationship

[@twotruckslyrics]

welp time to dive into fandom aus

[@helenakri7282]

It really pains me to read they had this concept, cause you know that now, even if they do use it somewhere, it won't be any time soon. What a fucking waste.

[@chelscara]

I want the Disney villain version of A Little Priest and I'm never gonna fuckin get it 😭😭

[@Veriguess]

As cool as that would’ve been, i’m actually pretty glad that it ended up like it did! Seeing the queens love start to fade as we were watching the movie was AMAZING to watch

[@c.khullabaloo4745]

I remember seeing a tweet made by someone who worked on the film and they said that they really wanted to make something special but executive meddling took hold and basically controlled the entire project. It honestly makes me sad seeing the reception it's getting. Like you'd think the company would make something really really special for their 100th anniversary. But executives do what executives do best: ruin everything they touch.

[@Mapleleaf865]

I remember seeing something similar and they felt bad with how it turned out

[@empirebeach]

do u possibly have a link to the tweet?

[@theflickchick9850]

I definitely would like to check out the art book for this reason even if it makes me sad that the art is better than the movie.

[@ArthurDeaville]

Bob Iger clearly seems to want to target core Disney only to toddlers these days

[@ferminmarkpousada1455]

Do you have the tweet?

[@ad-sd-vids5332]

Here’s another plot hole- when the queen and dahlia are looking through the evil book, they use “obsidian oil to protect against the evil” why didn’t the queen give that to magnifico when he first started using the book, if she was worried about him? Also why was Asha so surprised that most of the wishes won’t get granted when she knows that they only get granted once a month and there are thousands of wishes right above her?

[@TonySolis99]

A better tribute to classic Disney Films was “Enchanted” from 2007 and that was funny while still being a genuine love letter to Disney and even went all in with the 2D animation.

[@cloudshines812]

But then they made “Disenchanted”, a pointless and irrelevant sequel. Even when Disney can nail something on the head… they fuck it up with a sequel

[@justinmv023]

​@@cloudshines812The sequel of Enchanted was all over the place. It could've been so much better.

[@Ebh55.]

@@cloudshines812 I don't think the sequel was bad but i do agree that it could have been better.

[@ArsPoetica]

@@Ebh55. I agree with you too, I did not mind the sequel. It still was not as good as the first and Patrick Dempsey cannot sing (which he admits and was not expecting when he filmed the first one), but both were so detail-oriented and played pretty good story lines. I wish that type of writing was back in our movies!

[@stellamariss3335]

Oh yes I love enchanted it was one of my favorite movies.

[@ahmadkaien]

There were TWO teams This film has 2 directors and 2 writers and somehow managed to feel unfinished by multiple accounts... Damn

[@stephanos6128]

if anime production taught me anything two teams for one production is a rushed project and a sign of some major production issues

[@davidlantz3302]

@@stephanos6128All Disney films are rushed now. Without fail they push them out to meet an arbitrary schedule and ruin films that had a chance to be great if given enough time.

[@trika91]

@@stephanos6128 Makes sense. There were so many last minute changes, from the animation itself (going back and forth over using traditional 2D animation and always defaulting to 3D), to the villain (both the king and queen were supposed to be the villains, and the King’s motive was probably changed last minute too). This movie does indeed feel rushed/unfinished/not fully executed. Such potential wasted into a disappointment.

[@K0m30ng]

And yet one of the writers is currently the CCO of Walt Disney Animation Studios. How embarrassing that her as a CCO dropped the ball in making this movie

[@ballsmcgee7783]

Honestly would have loved a plot where Asha believes the King is evil and wrong for what he does, but her trying to do something about it is what unleashes the actual evil/villain and her and the king work together to stop it and she learns about restraint and moderation. Make a message about dreams being important, but things should be tempered by logic and reason.

[@LoneSilverW0lf]

Before the movie came out there was a post about the short preview. When I saw that the king “keeps the dangerous and frivolous wishes” and my first thought was “how is keeping the bad and dumb wishes unfulfilled make him the bad guy? Is the show going to make the girl the ‘bad guy’ who needs to fix the bad wishes getting granted?” And this review isn’t helping my nigh nonexistent desire to see it any. You’d think it’d be a pretty easy cut and dry story of hard work and such to achieve your goals. But I guess expecting basic storytelling is asking to much.

[@Kingdom850]

@@LoneSilverW0lf Be real though, his refusal to return the wishes even in just that clip alone was such a huge red flag.

[@just_a_silly_weenie008]

Or if evil was let out and the king is corrupted, and Asha has to stop the king? Then she'd learn from her ways and have a flaw (which modern protags can't have, for some reason). That or an evil being manifests from an evil wish, and they're the big bad.. With a song! :0 Thats just my opinion, I still like your idea, just wanted to toss in my own 😅

[@LoneSilverW0lf]

@@Kingdom850 I didn’t see that he wouldn’t return the wishes or that the wishes were even completely severed from the person. The clip I saw must’ve been shortened and/or edited.

[@nailinthefashion]

​@@LoneSilverW0lfYou're letting someone else's interpretation tell you what it's about. It IS cut and dry, it IS a simple story about believing in yourself. It's literally about not letting someone else tell you how to feel or live. Channels like this ARE MAGNIFICOS! They are telling people they know better, they're the arbiters of animation and media, you don't need to waste your money on a film that interests you! Just sit at home and hate it! Don't see for yourself, don't think for yourself. Just agree! I think it's ironic. Schaf would sing that song if you disagree. "I watched the film so you don't have to, and this is the thanks I get?" Yes. Because the commentary is awesome but so is the film, DESPITE its flaws or setbacks like them juggling Bob CEOs who are so out of touch they don't get how an all straight white cast across multiple projects is alarming lmao. This is by far my most favourite Disney film and Asha is my favourite character. We're so alike and she's not a princess but something different, not more important or less, but a part of the magical tapestry that is modern Disney.

[@Fiveboiledeggs]

I think the *live here for free* lyric could’ve been fixed if they swapped the “and” for a “yeah” “I let you live here for free, yeah I don’t even charge you rent” This makes it more like he’s emphasising the first point, rather than listing the same thing as if it were two separate things

[@superpapermariofan]

That is actually very damn smart thing.

[@K0m30ng]

It's pretty embarrassing and sad to know that the movie's screenplay and story was co-written by the CCO of Walt Disney Animation Studio. As a CCO, you expect something big from the leader herself when she also dropped the ball in telling this story

[@danielgudinojuarez6729]

She used to be a regular writer of the studio, until 2018 when Jennifer was given the keys as CCO after that drunken creep left for good. Thankfully, Disney animation has become better yet this film didn't stick the landing as before. Since I'm seeing it this Sunday, hoping the film doesn't suck

[@K0m30ng]

@@danielgudinojuarez6729 I know, anyone who have worked long in Disney like Jennifer Lee, Pete Docter, Clark Spencer will get promoted as head of whatever department at Disney. I get that John Lasseter is a creep but damn the guy did Disney better than whatever Lee is doing right now 🤷

[@AJ-xc4qe]

I can't help but think she was chosen because she just so happened to make what would become the highest grossing animated movie of all time and has been pressured into keeping the Frozen franchise alive while also overseeing so many projects. It would be like if Stephen Hillenburg was hired as the head of Nickelodeon Animation Studios mostly for the oversaturated success of his cartoon.

[@ahmedmaklad6527]

@@K0m30ng those were false accusation he was pushed by a bunch of outraged women who took advantage of the me too movement

[@ickicynicky4890]

wth is this comment @@ahmedmaklad6527

[@winsonwieny6720]

It’s tragic how this has to be one of Disney’s worst years in probably ever. Especially when it’s currently their 100th anniversary. ☠️

[@dariusmcclain5584]

A year that was supposed to celebrate Disney’s past wound up being a really bad sign for their future

[@TomLegobro21]

I wouldn’t go that far, I’d say 2018 is worse considering how awful Ralph Breaks the Internet and half baked Incredibles 2 was, plus we did get Once Upon a Studio which was great. But I do agree it is a shame considering it’s meant to be Disney’s 100th anniversary!!

[@hunterolaughlin]

@@TomLegobro21Do some of the stuff outside of Disney Animation count like Black Panther and Avengers: Infinity War?

[@emuanon34]

They already botched their 100th year by having a hand in causing the strikes and finding a genocide.

[@kachow2461]

@@TomLegobro21financially speaking though, I’m sure they are doing worse this year cuz 2018 had Black Panther and infinity war

[@belfreak_386]

Problem with Disney is that they don’t let the writers, storyboards, and directors take their time to flesh out their stories and characters. Disney just wants to keep pumping rushed works out in theaters than taking their time so that the stories can take more time in the oven for it to be great! Arcane, Puss In Boots 2, Spiderverse and other great films took their time in development within their movies. Disney doesn’t do that anymore. They don’t care if their movies are ready, if their even good or not. They don’t care anymore.

[@carlotta4th]

Studios (amd Disney) have always tried to stick to deadlines regardless of product. You've already sunk in time and money, and they don't want to delay. Usually it turns out awful, but every now and then the crunch gives us something good like Emperor's new groove.

[@winifredeghrudje9427]

Sadly that’s every studio not just Disney 😩

[@whistlebird]

I don't have an inside view, but I feel like this is a big part of the issue. Most of the recent movies just feel half baked and missing an important ingredient or two, live actions and other IPs included. They all have so much potential and the suggestion of something that could have been great if it wasn't rushed into and out of the oven. They're beautiful on the outside but full of giant holes and they taste just a bit off. And all the more disappointing for what they could have been. Disney has very talented people working for them but they forget that writers need time and space to breath if creativity is going to flourish. I think Disney could easily make magic again if they just let their people create.

[@Morfe02]

Indeed Disney even cancelled GIGANTIC a movie about Jack and the giants Good job and then they release what movies ? The panda the dragon Ralph 2 i Guess all bad or mid

[@thekrogg137]

This is based on nothing but speculation, but I think a big part of this is because of Disney+. They invested a lot of money into their entry in the streaming wars, and in order to turn a profit they need enough content to convince people to stay subscribed and maybe, hopefully, attract new subscribers. I bet they've done the math and have found that they need to be able to announce a certain number of movies "coming only to Disney+" per year, which tightens the deadlines and forces them to release half-baked products in order to feed the ever-hungry streaming service.

[@justpeachy8811]

one big thing i had with the story is that everything Asha and the other hero characters do to “save” the day mean NOTHING. Because multiple times in the movie Magnifico just knows EVERYTHING. He immediately knows it’s Asha who wished on the star, he somehow just knows their whole plan at the end and captures them. And what ends up saving everyone is the typical “everyone sings and believes in themselves”. So you’re telling me, Asha wasted more than half the movie doing her whole “rescue the wishes” plan when ALL the had to do was sing and have the whole town “believe in themselves”??? it just makes a good chunk of the movie useless. They should have had SOMETHING come out of the heroes plans, SOME wins, so they have some merit, so that when the big loss comes, it has weight. Asha’s wins in the movie just seem like luck than merit.

[@Spiderman-wt8hb]

When Dreamworks makes a better film about wishes and evolves the style of animation of Spiderverse better than Disneys attempt at a 100th anniversary film, there’s a problem. I haven’t seen a Disney movie fall so flat on it’s face out of the gate since Cars 2 and that shouldn’t be a comparison for a studio as important as this one.

[@danielgudinojuarez6729]

you do realize dreamworks had a not so great year with Ruby Gillman and Trolls 3, those films are on the same level as Wish where they're basically forgettable movies of the year.

[@blackosprey2219]

​@@danielgudinojuarez6729I'll take one extraordinary masterpiece with 2 mediocres over total mediocrity any day, man.

[@isaacm7934]

​​@@danielgudinojuarez6729DreamWorks usually bounces back after a few failures like thoughs I can guarantee you that we will probably see another The last wish from them in the future

[@altinaykor364]

don't be so sure on Dreamworks they're starting to ruin themselves as well with an attempt to make live action How To Train Your Dragon! just look at the cast they chose and even thinking about that live action in the first place! after that decision, I don't have much hope for them either! they're following Disney's shitty path as well, as if it turned out good

[@gremlinton9815]

I will never understand the hate for cars 2. I loved the whole mater becoming a spy thing

[@afeathereddinosaur]

King Magnifico is an allegory to Disney Studios. The position of King can be compared to the admiration the public felt and the hegemonic position the studio once had when it came to animation. The wish granting magic could be compared to the studios abilities to create special movies that mark the lives of the people who watch it one way or another and the evil book can be compared to the book of accounting that crept its way into shackling the creative direction of most of their newer movies and ultimately possessed the studio for its own ends (a consistent cash flow to the likes of McDonald's). The protagonist of the movie can then be compared to the other places where animation managed to thrive, maybe not a rival animation studio but somewhere like KZbin where indie passion projects are allowed to be seen by hundreds of thousands of people, and where these people can make a living without having to give the corporate monster their satisfaction. This movie is a veiled cry for help, crafted in a way to appease and go under the eyes of the money machine.

[@KirbyStarAnimation]

Couldn’t the protagonist also be the shows with how it shows their is still hope for something new that could be better than the current stuff.

[@ItzAudreyii]

I feel so bad for Chris Buck. The director who was also my mom’s next door neighbor as a kid, Having to deal with corporate disney.

[@afeathereddinosaur]

@@KirbyStarAnimation of course it can

[@CoraCreates]

That’s some deep speculation.

[@readonlymemories]

Jen Lee and Chris Buck, blink twice if you're being held hostage

[@goobert5485]

I wish we could have new animated Disney films that exist to be, yknow, films, with like a theme and characters written by people who care about telling a good story, instead of shameless merchandising cash cows for children

[@MinisterChicken]

Well the only message I got from this movie is that “if you wish hard enough you can do something” So I’m sure your wish will come true :)

[@gdurak6512]

It’s like disney is scared to scare kids…but that’s what makes the older disney movies great

[@celticandpenobscot8658]

Disney scared to scare kids? Did you see that clip from "Encanto" at 1:09? Bruno looks frightening as a man *and* a little boy!!!

[@goob3005]

I agree with the adorakble trait. I think it was only good for Repunzel since she was trapped in a tower for almost her entire life. Everyone else after Repunzel wasnt bad, but it did have a lot of copy and paste traits from her.

[@mahlicaajaib5231]

Agreed but I like Anna too though. She's more outgoing and fun and has a similar backstory so her behaviors can actually be explained in the story and not just there for the sake of it

[@tiablue9106]

yeah for instance rapunzel, anna and moana all did the "twirl object in hand to look cool but accidentally hit myself in the face" gag

[@piggylady225]

Definitely agree, and I’d also like to add that Rapunzel was really the only one where her personality was a big draw for the movie itself. Everyone else was overshadowed by something else in their movies. Despite Anna being the main character, it’s fair to say Elsa is the more iconic princess. Moana took a backseat to Maui and the adventure as a whole. And Mirabel is surrounded by so many iconic family members that she (ironically) gets lost in fan discourse. And honestly, it was fine for these movies, since they did have something else better going on. That’s where Wish has gone wrong, relying on the charisma of its characters as the main draw.

[@ayten-linux]

​@piggylady225 Elsa might be more iconic, but that is probably just because of her song and absolutely nothing else.

[@ggt47]

Definitely. They even tried to give to the princesses in that gosh awful WIR2 film.

[@pegolego]

You know. I think they could have made the villian song work without changing the lyrics much. Just change it from him being borderline whimsical to him totally SEETHING. The entire point of the song is him being mad that "this is all the thanks he gets" so lean into it. Make him sound like he is trying to be whimsical but is 5 seconds away from bursting a blood vesel. Less "peep the name, its magnificent" cause he thinks hes really cool and more "PEEP THE NAME, ITS MAGNIFICENT!" cause he's pissed.

[@chipsleftwing]

ngl if that added that tone and a singular electric bass the song could have been salvaged

[@Hana_H]

Damn that’s such a good idea

[@eatatjoes6751]

Or like - still whimsical, but something is off, like the lyrics and background music *try* to sound whimsical. The first half, he pulls it off, but by *"PEEP THE NAME, IT'S MAGNIFICENT!"* he's clearly lost his marbles and the whimsy falls off from the background music responsively.

[@fatcat1414]

Yep, the delivery is really what kills the song and makes the faulty lyrics more obvious. It sucks because it's not like you CAN'T write a pop song that sounds angry or threatening.

[@endertuber8300]

Basically "Jack Obsession" from Nightmare Before Christmas, a song about a very whimsical and even positive thing but sang through the eyes of a "evil" person whom negative effect grow through the song

[@moonbunny24]

I think Wish was SUPPOSED to be (at least a dozen versions ago) about how you have to take matters into your own hands to make your dreams come true or something. Because the whole thing was about how people felt more complete when they could pursue their dreams themselves and there was the thing about how everyone is made of the same thing as the wishing star. But it was so half-baked that you have to squint to find it.

[@lavenderartimations1366]

Even then that was better told by the princess and the frog-

[@toadman5184]

Most classic fables warn against 'wishing' because it generally means you get what you desire, but without knowing the true price (Faustian bargain anyone?)

[@SJursa-ey4tt]

@@toadman5184 nova effect, but reversed...

[@KirbyStarAnimation]

They have multiple lines showing that though. When Asha first asks the king to give the wishes he won’t grant back so they can try to achieve them themselves and the whole climax is them giving back the wishes in order for them to achieve them themselves because the wishes are a part of them.

[@pinkduskstone1543]

I thought it well done and clearly demonstrated.

[@sotnosen95]

Another example of an upbeat Disney villain song that works is "Mother Knows Best" from Tangled. In that case, the reason it's upbeat is because it's intentionally deceptive in universe. Mother Gothel is manipulating Rapunzel by portraying herself as a loving mother who only wants what's best for her, and the music is reflecting that by sounding like it could belong to a good guy if you didn't pay attention to the lyrics.

[@melgris2732]

Jumping off from the stark difference in creativity between Jafar's final fight and Magnifico's final fight, a cool idea would be if Magnifico got a different, temporary, power from each wish, and started frantically consuming them in the final fight. Instead of just him consuming them to get some vague "greater power" green glow. Asha is running, so he finds the wish of someone who dreams of being Robin Hood skilled at archery, and shoots a magic arrow with perfect aim to stop her. Wish to fly? Great, he flies after the star, but he starts to fall as the wish--which isn't his --burns out. So he finds a wish from someone who wants to be a great tailor, and he hurriedly magics a parachute that bursts as he hits the ground. Or, to use the vine motif, he finds a wish about gardening or nature and grows a giant vine to catch him and ensnare the people. On the ground among the civilians who feel betrayed, he desperately digs through wish bubbles for something that will help, while the citizens see him use or cast aside the wishes as if they're just his toys. And THEN they all unite under Asha's lead, because they've seen for themselves how corrupt their supposedly noble king has become. And it shows that just getting a wish without any effort or meaning isn't as powerful as making your own wish real. The movie can still use the end battle where they all glow like stars and get their wishes back to banish his magic thorns, but it makes Magnifico's magic more interesting and the people taking their wishes back to weaken him more explicit. And, if they wanted to give the Queen her own moment after joining Asha and her friends, the Queen finds her wish that she forgot, for the people to all live their dreams (which is why she believed so much in Magnifico, but he hid her wish because he thought she was being foolish), and she absorbs it and vows to make a kingdom where everyone, anyone, will have a place to chase their dream, with her and Asha's help.

[@ilikemarshmallowsss]

that’s such a cool idea!!

[@EliCalhoune-og9sg]

That would've been so epic - even got the perfect happy fairytale ending!

[@Hickory958]

Holy- YES. Such a small change that adds so frickin much. YES

[@colbystearns5066]

Sadly I was kind of rooting for this movie hoping the critics would be wrong but after watching it, they were right. What’s maddening to me is that I can see what they were going for with King Magnifico, the character I was most looking forward to watching. He seemed like a flawed but well-meaning leader who descends into madness/villainy but the pacing and writing did his character no favors. It’s like you have the ingredients for a delicious apple pie but they’re not actually mixed and baked together properly, it’s almost like they’re just serving the literal apple, flour, sugar, cinnamon, etc. on their own without actually doing anything with them. Disney, what is going on here?!

[@cartoonishidealism582]

Honestly it kinda reeks of a hastily rewritten script. Like someone burst in halfway through production and went “THE FANS WANT A CLASSIC EVIL VILLAIN WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE STORY”

[@terminator_15genesis23]

From what I heard, this movie was in a “development hell”.

[@nailinthefashion]

I wish people held the old films to the same standard cuz Snow White and Sleeping Beauty don't actually hold up any better than Wish or Frozen imo when it comes to villains. He reads as a Maleficent variant to me. Narcissistic, vain, basic, and we don't need to know the origin of the magic or his village to get it. Y'all just expect way too much of a 2 hour movie let alone a Disney one. This was better than say, Turning Red for me since it felt like a true classic story but with modern context. It's the one project I connect with the most

[@jlev1028]

​​@@nailinthefashionThe old movies you're talking about were made in a time where simple plots and characters were expected. Granted, there were more compelling films in that era, but at least there was consistency and no sense of mismanagement.

[@nailinthefashion]

@@jlev1028 wow, it's weird how you just glamorized white supremacy. At least it was consistent!

[@willgiering6844]

“Disney, having long been as artistically bankrupt as a vending machine, care less about interesting new reinterpretations than their copyrights being depicted in the slightest negative light” Yahtzee Croshaw said this thirteen years ago and every year Disney makes it more relevant

[@peachy_lili]

good time to remind everyone they didn't let a Dad put Spiderman on his baby son's tombstone so as to "preserve the magic of Disney characters for all children"

[@tbdotwav6963]

​@@peachy_liliSpiderman is a sony character so I'm calling bs on this one

[@Stothehighest]

@@tbdotwav6963 Then you'd do good to google "2019 Disney Spiderman Tombstone" Because that did happen to a grieving father in England. "To honor Ollie's love of the Marvel superhero, Jones wanted a photo of Spider-Man engraved on his late son's grave. He said he asked the local council for permission and was told to contact Walt Disney Company. Disney [...] reportedly refused to allow the boy's tombstone to feature Spider-Man, claiming that doing so would ruin the "innocence" and "magic" of the company's famed characters."

[@AaronAlert77]

Sounds like they were just a hater tangled and princess and the frog are fantastic

[@averyfields8183]

​@@AaronAlert77facts.

[@dandelion_fritters]

Magnifico is the embodiment of the executives. He takes really good wishes (concepts for stories) and either hides them away or grants the wish in a twisted form as not the original intention of the wish-maker.

[@LuisLopez-sb1rp]

Don't forget we already had an animated movie whose plot device was centered on a wishing star: Puss in Boots: The Last Wish. Instead of relying on magic and having free will to make your own dreams come true, the characters in Puss in Boots realize their wishes were something they already had, but they needed to see clearly what they had in life. Puss wanted to wish for his nine lives back. But then he reflects on everything unique and special that happened in his last life. Then he chooses to live and make the best of his one life before he truly dies. Kitty wanted to wish for someone she can actually trust. But she realizes she misjudged Puss by not trusting him the most. After witnessing what Puss was after and that he really changed, she gave up her wish and trusted Puss once again. Goldilocks wanted to wish for a proper family and leave the bears. But she left her chance to make her wish to save Baby Bear. She then accepted the bears as her family and sees that everything is just right. Just like Perrito said, they got everything they wished for. No magic required. These are all character development, but it's clear Disney really had less time to develop every character in Wish. Even though Death was the best villain in the movie, Jack Horner was also a great villain. Someone that King Magnifico should've been. Someone powerless with a goal to be the most powerful, instead of someone already powerful that they're going overboard to be beyond powerful. Also for a non-Disney movie they had better, clever easter eggs from Disney (though DreamWorks still tends to poke fun at Disney since Shrek) that Disney themselves jumped the shark and milked it dry with the overuse of easter eggs and references from all their past movies in this one movie. The animation in Puss in Boots had a beautiful, artistic style where it looked like it came from a storybook. While the animation in Wish looked like they just filtered the entire 3D animation in pencil style. And the theme in Puss in Boots had the most deep and powerful meaning than what ever Wish had. The theme was appreciating what we have in life and make it rich by sharing it with others. So to make your time worth it by watching something excellent, watch Puss in Boots: The Last Wish again.

[@AlexMartinez-nn2cm]

It’s funny how this year we got Puss in Boots, TMNT Mutant Mayhem and ATSV, the three of them excellent movies with a great animation style and plots, and Disney, the most powerful animation company of the planet, did…. This instead

[@Lady_ETHNE]

That’s what I was thinking actually. It’s funny how Dreamworks made a movie that fills more like a Disney movie (while still feeling like a Dreamworks movie) than whatever Disney made

[@adamlarson6821]

I love how Puss in Boots is a gorgeously crafted masterpiece from a studio that was made to rip off Pixar films at first. It shows how far the mighty have fallen. I know DreamWorks is no stranger to making bombs, but Disney is just getting depressing.

[@hakunamakara]

13:36 More like "Is Asha stupid?" Why does she act so shocked in that scene when she realizes most wishes will never be granted? Between both the song SHE HERSELF sang at the beginning of the movie and "This is the Thanks I Get", we know Magnifico typically grants one wish per month, occasionally 1-2 more per year if he's feeling generous. There are presumably thousands of people in the kingdom. It should be obvious to everyone in Rosas that's capable of math that there's only like a .0000001% chance any given wish will ever be granted; it's basically a lottery that they all participate in willingly.

[@pedrosegundo8109]

JESUS. That IS the problem. He not granting wishes just because he does not want to IS the problem. She is no shocked by that. She is shocked by how he decides which wishes he wants to grant.

[@SpinDuality]

​@@pedrosegundo8109Idk, that feels entirely reasonable. He's the one who grants the wishes and he could totally pick which wishes he could grant. Like he said, some wishes were vague and some could potentially cause more harm than good

[@V_MC]

Snow White and The Seven Dwarfs. Walt Disney's first ever feature length film, released in 1937. That movie was beyond impressive at that time, the time when making just a 20-minute cartoon was an insane thought to the puplic eye. And you know what the man had to sacrifice to be able to actually create and release the movie? His house, his money and his time. And you can tell it was a huge project for everyone working on it- remember, Snow White was released in theaters, a time before Technicolor Television even existed! It was a massive accomplishment, setting the studio up for success for decades to come. Now here we are, in 2023, 85 years later. With a movie supposed to be dedicated for the 100th anniversary of the studio, but it doesn't.. *feel* like one. You know? It's almost like a shell of former and far better movies made by the now multi-billion dollar company, taking the inspiration of others while still leaving out the important things that makes a movie, a good one. Sure, Disney is trying to create original stories rather than just taking a spin on old fairytales- but comparing Wish to Encanto, both movies with original stories? There's a huge difference. Of course, it all depends on the people chosen to work on it. Wish just wasn't gonna work, it may have had potential at some point but they decided to just go with this instead. Sorry for the rant, but i just felt the need to comment and express my thoughts on it. It's not bad, just not all that good on my end. That's just my opinion though.

[@SpaceotterwithaMustache]

Honestly yeah, back when Walt was around, a lot of things got done, nowadays they're really lacking. But hey, at least we got a villain, a small step closer to what we want. (Or at least what the majority wants.)

[@orangeslash1667]

@@SpaceotterwithaMustacheIn the Walt Disney era, they were only power enough to make films and rids. Now a days Disney can do more. However, that also means that there’s less focus.

[@kiplingwasafurry1108]

Bringing up how Walt mortgaged his house and took a massive gamble on Snow White makes me even more upset at current Disney. Like they’re a huge company that can have many films flop but still come out, along with having all the resources to get basically anything. It’s like they’re more concerned with making money and brand names than the principals of art and innovation the company was founded on by Disney, Iwerks, and others.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@kiplingwasafurry1108 blame bob

[@msk-qp6fn]

No, you make very valid criticisms and your frustrations are more than reasonable. I totally agree. People forget just how much of a heart and labor was put into Snow White and just how much of a wild sensation it was for its time; the same goes for all the other iconic classic and renaissance films like Cinderella, Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Lion King etc. They even paved way for new technological advancements too (101 Dalmation, Tarzan, Tangled, Frozen). You'd expect something that is made to commemorate 100th anniversary to be at that level.

[@z.mp3.wav2]

i feel like schaffrilas is the definitive critic, or rather a quality one at that. he knows the source material and is in touch with the medium, so case in point he knows what he’s talking about. let alone the fact he’s educated, he’s humble when he reviews a topic and gives his complete honest opinion and actually pays attention to minor details in older works the company or studio made and also notices the team that produced the movie to get a good basis as to what’s going on i’m not meatriding i swear

[@jacksykes4680]

It’s fine what you said is completely justified

[@knotknight514]

And he's also not pretentious which is very important imo

[@kittah4]

As far as "where did Encanto come from", it was one of Byron Howard's movies. He hasn't missed yet, he directed Bolt, Tangled, Zootopia, and Encanto. So maybe the thing is they just need a good direction.

[@catelynh1020]

Supposedly wish was meddled to death, which sounds like they just need to learn execs aren't writers, lyricists, or animators and leave the projects to the people who know more

[@nicoleflores2054]

​@@catelynh1020dang, so it was a rushed anniversary project? for some reason, I've so many incidents on media of rushed projects that could've been good if they had time AND weren't for an anniversary.

[@K0m30ng]

Can Byron Howard be promoted as the leader of Disney Animation Studios at this point instead of Jennifer Lee who literally co-wrote the damn story for Wish????

[@gut853]

@@K0m30ng Getting kind of tired of her tbh. She always seems to drop the ball with the script because she's being pulled in too many different directions at the studio and gets overwhelmed.

[@nikeneon3188]

>He hasn't missed yet, he directed Bolt How you put this in one sentence?

[@yuffies3256]

I also think they underestimate the kids watching their movies. Yes, the flashy pop songs and singing animals may appease them, but kids can feel the theme and lesson of the story that's being told, even if they can't put it into words yet.

[@Jules2439.5]

My favorite movie as a child was Hunchback. I wore out the VHS watching it on repeat. Disney’s heaviest movie in terms of thematic elements and portrayals of true human evil. It really sat with me and I genuinely think it made me become a more compassionate kid. This pandering to babies is going to mess with kids’ social development in the future. Plus it’s boring storytelling. Ugh.

[@chloegregory6314]

@@Jules2439.5 I think the message in this movie is hold onto your wishes and dreams and dont let anyone take them from you

[@RavenStarMedia]

@@Jules2439.5 Yes! Hunchback was my favorite as a kid too! Still is one of my favorites.

[@BuizelCream]

@@chloegregory6314 It's odd tho because no one can take your wishes and dreams in reality. It's rather the execution of your wish and dreams that get tampered with.

[@arnold20139]

What sucks is that King Magnifico has nice design and they gave him a wife, and Disney literally did nothing with both. He's the first villian with a wife, and it goes no where. So disappointing. 😢

[@ButterFlyGardenBlossom]

What’s even worse about the missed potential regarding the wife is that she was supposed to be a villain alongside him. The wasted opportunities… can you imagine a ballad that’s also a hammy VILLAIN SONG

[@alpaca6462]

I kept wondering why she was even in the movie especially when it got to the point where she walks in on them singing about how now they know the king is evil, and immediately she just decides "yeah maybe my husband of however many years IS a bad guy, now I'm leaving him" like she's NEVER seen him be vain or wondered why he didn't grant more wishes until she saw Asha singing about it??? And like was that IT? You gave him a wife just to have her abandon him in a song? We didn't even see enough of their relationship for that moment to feel earned like "DAMN even his wife thinks he went too far" they interacted like maybe twice before then so why should I care??? Seeing the leaks she was supposed to be evil with him makes more sense, at least she would have a reason to exist then but what they did with her she should have just not existed

[@BEE-oz7yd]

​@@alpaca6462 She obviously exists because Disney would never show the main characters overthrowing a monarchy!

[@cloudshines812]

That’s his wife? I thought they were just roommates?

[@ae1103]

THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE A VILLAIN DUO 😢😢😢

[@XXcartoonXcrazyXX]

For me the entire premise just falls flat. Magnifico literally made a Kingdom based on the concept of 'the burdens and grief that wishes and dreams can engender are so intense that people would be better off without them, I'll safeguard them instead to take away those burdens and MAYBE grant some if I feel like it' and everyone who comes to the Kingdom buys into that ideology. That's it's better to not try, because then you don't have to experience failure (even though you forsake joy if you succeed). Magnifico never stole the wishes, they were freely given, and surely the people in the Kingdom can do basic maths: 1 wish granting ceremony a month= 12 wishes granted a year (plus a few if Magnifico is feeling generous) so they must have known the chances of their own wish getting picked was slim to none. It's like the lottery; they threw away their wish because they didn't want the hard graft of making it happen or were too scared it would fail, to live a life of contentment and MAYBE have their wish granted by a sorcerer and they have to put in zero effort. I just have zero sympathy for anyone in this Kingdom. The ONLY exceptions are perhaps the kids that were born there and never got a choice and HAD to surrender their wish at age 18, but the villain there ain't Magnifico it's their parents for buying into this ideology in the first place. Sorry 100 year old grandpa, you willingly went to a Kingdom who didn't hide its ideology and handed over your wish to 'inspire' rather than go somewhere else to make it happen. I don't feel sorry for you, nor anyone else in the Kingdom. Magnifico did literally nothing wrong (pre evil book bullshit) and Asha's 'shock' that not all wishes can be granted is dumb af.

[@Meltsux]

One thing I feel like you didn’t mention enough was the insane amount of references. So many, the grandpa was 100 years old, Asha is implied to become the fairy godmother, the star becomes the wishing star in other movies like pinnochio, the 7 dwarfs, the king becoming the magic mirror, references to Mary poppins, sleeping beauty, Peter Pan, the Mickey heads, asha being a artist and animator, the fucking end credits where it’s just traced images of a character from each Disney movie. It’s exhausting, it felt like I was watching an ad for Disney in a Disney movie, call me crazy but a 100 year film should be a build up of a story that should be told, unique, and memorable. Snow White can still be watched 100 years later but wish couldn’t

[@carlotta4th]

I'm so tired of Disney referencing itself. It wouldn't be bad if it was in the background for people to pause and geek out at--but Disney loooooves putting their references front and center, even having characters talk about it and pause like they're asking the audience "get it? GET IT?!" Geeze I get it. It's just not funny or interesting, though, why are you Dora the Explorer waiting for my reaction?

[@taydrabrookshire347]

Enchanted did it better years ago

[@leviticusprime4904]

@@taydrabrookshire347and that was meant to be a parody of Disney films

[@pinkduskstone1543]

Yes Wish could be watched in the next century. It is unique and memorable.

[@TimeBucks]

Disney does really well when they have strong music direction.

[@twigwigsoso]

musical theater music to be specify

[@MediaDroid960]

Apathy’s a tragedy, and boredom is a crime

[@chiangkai-shrek1575]

Anything and everything, all of the time

[@izzyillust]

Can I interest you in anything all of the time

[@oddlittlepumpkin458]

@@chiangkai-shrek1575oop beat me to it

[@F.R.E.D.D2986]

@@izzyillust If I wake up in a house that's full of smoke, I'll panic

[@oddlittlepumpkin458]

@@izzyillustA bit of everything all of the time

[@jstar3382]

5:44 OK I NEED TO INFORM YOU OF THIS. GASTON IS THE REASON WHY EGGS ARE SO EXPENSIVE. He eats so many eggs and has driven the supply for eggs down to the bottom, driving up price

[@moon7shinev150]

The concept of the movie had an evil royal couple and a romance between Asha and the Star who had a male form. An awesome concept I can think of is the King and Queen were both evil and Asha is their daughter so she grew up thinking that stealing wishes is the right thing. Then the Star boy comes and has to help teach her the right way. What if you made the Star have to help her learn in order to be able to go back to the stars after. I’m on the verge of writing and designing that story myself

[@ButterFlyGardenBlossom]

I still believe we were so freaking robbed of this premise. It would’ve been so much more interesting and would’ve made the movie a little less bland tbh

[@moon7shinev150]

@@ButterFlyGardenBlossom oh no we were very much robbed. I’ve never felt for robbed about a movie

[@MissMochaccino]

Please someone write a fanfic with this premise!

[@penbensie]

Asha starting out as kind of a villain because she was raised by evil parents sounds so cool I'M SO MAD because this had potential

[@heidokij]

and all because disney wouldn’t let the creatives ACTUALLY CREATE

[@filipvadas7602]

1. I was honestly expecting a "Bruce Almighty" type situation where at one point everyone started getting what they wished for and the world just devolves into pandemonium. I mean, it would have been cool if the protagonist was being convinced that the king was evil and then they steal his magic everything falls apart. Only then realising that the guy was being really responsible with his power all things considered. 2. The implication that Magnifico, or I guess the entity that posseses him(?) is the Magic Mirror from Snow White, but with a body and the freedom to do what he wants is a concept that deserved to be in a better movie.

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

Eh he shouldn't be in the right either, she goes in the other extreme but realizes she needs balance

[@maxdavis7722]

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69hasn’t he kinda achieved balance? He still gives some wishes.

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

@@maxdavis7722 The moral dilemma should've been written way better

[@maxdavis7722]

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 absolutely, it’s hard to see the king in a bad light other than the fact that he has a hilariously fragile ego lol.

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

@@maxdavis7722 Well I don't know if he should be the arbiter on who gets what wish or not

[@DavyIJones]

Its insane how Heihei from moana is more iconic than any other animal sidekick in decades because he doesn't try to do anything more than what a dumb chicken would do. This goat, the blue blob from strange world, the fire lizard from frozen 2, the dad's legs from onward (idc I'm counting this) hell even motherfucking sisu from Raya all are failures because they feel like products rather than characters. All imo

[@brianvaira486]

I'd also count Clod from Elemental and that cat thing from Lightyear. They feel like characters that were made to sell toys rather than just being entertaining characters.

[@DavyIJones]

@@brianvaira486I was just mention disney animation not really pixar, but your 100% right

[@pablocasas5906]

​@@brianvaira486Sox from Lightyear was actually one of the few things people seem to positively like from the movie. But yeah, it seems Disney has a lot of trouble making memorable sidecharacters, or kid-appeal characters as they're usually referred as. That type of characters have existed for a long time, just as an excuse to sell merchandise, but they used to be endearing. I think Disney still want to replicate Olaf's impact

[@catelynh1020]

I thought the dad's legs from onward was a fairly good "sidekick", but maybe for the wrong reasons. It slowed down the pace of the moive for an emotional scene wordlessly (the foot hold like a hand hold), gave the two kids a mutual reason and desire to travel that turns into them doing it for each other, is an actual symbol of their loss they have to accept and move on from, and is related to the emotional climax of choosing who needs the closure more at that moment. Did the legs annoy me at times? Yeah, but i would rather it be in the movie for the emotional and story-driving reasons

[@doodelli]

Nah dude that chicken felt just as pandering when Moana came out. Should have been eaten.

[@SylviaGrome]

I got 2 good things to say about this movie 1. It helped me realize I needed to lower the amount of characters in the stuff I make to make sure everyone gets development during a story. And 2. One line from This is the thanks I get that would’ve gone pretty hard in pretty much any other movie…the like I’m talking about is “I put the I in omnipotent.” That honestly would be such an intimidating and cool line for pretty much anyone other than Magnifico

[@mr_blank4413]

Wish in fact is one of the Disney movies of all time, and considering it was marketed as “100 years in the making” that’s really really sad.

[@chrisbrasel8060]

Just like Rise of Skywalker was marketed as the last star wars movie in the main series teasing it as a grand final to everything in 2019. Wish could've been so much more than just a okay film such a let down.

[@calixa7783]

Me before: Yeah, this looks like an attempt to make Elena of Avalor into a movie. Me now: I apologize Elena of Avalor, I offended you. You're way better.

[@karolinakuc4783]

True. It is just designs look the same so I thought that way.

[@aninamated3984]

They wished they were Elena of Avalor fr

[@purpleisraiyen]

bro i doubt Wish could ever be Elena of Avalor

[@Omnipotentmonkey]

Love him or hate him, I think Lin Manuel Miranda might have actually played a big part in Encanto and Moana not sucking. Ralph Breaks the Internet, Frozen 2, Raya, Strange World and Wish all have a few things in common, 1. the core ideas/premises weren't polished up or developed very well, 2. the structure around those cores feels blatantly slapped together. The Frozen 2 documentary really gave the game away, but it's clear with the others too, Ralph meanders so far into its nostalgia-pandering secondary elements as a blatant distraction, Raya's core theming CLEARLY did not get a once-over in regards to thinking through the secondary implications of its messaging, and also meanders in side-shenanigans. Strange World doesn't really develop any of its ideas too far, again, it meanders through a cavalcade of tropes and archetypes. and as you've pointed out, Wish doesn't really develop its magic, its villain or its protagonist at all. and this is where Moana and Encanto come in. I think the SONGS became the source of the films ideas, structure and developments, the songwriting became a skeleton upon which to actually flesh the films out, because these songs are deeper and more fleshed out than these other MOVIES in TOTALITY. the other films simply lack that strong skeleton, lack that development of core ideas, and thus, kind of suck overall.

[@CrowLady0_0]

agreed

[@lilac3266]

this is true because they said for those movies the songs shape the story and the more songs they added the more the story progressed. Wish seems to have forgotten how songs function in a musical

[@TheRibottoStudios]

So they're like The Nightmare Before Christmas. The movie was created after the songs and the plot worked around them. And it really works in the films favor. There are a TON of numbers but they help move the story the way a musical should. I do like the songs in this film...This Wish and Knowing What I Know Now anyways but they all felt like breaks in the film. Not part of it

[@DORAisD34D]

That’s what I love the Encanto songs. I feel so much emotion when listening to them

[@GKplus8]

​@lilac3266 disney needs to watch Sideways' Howard Ashman rants apparently.

[@LeGASP911]

They’re so used to making movies with no villains that they accidentally made the villain a nice guy