Raya vs. Encanto - How One Message Failed and Another Succeeded

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[@sircashmoney]

Mirabel's Dad response of "I was thinking of my daughter" is such a G move

[@josiahtheawkward6008]

I can tell he was waiting to say that for YEARS

[@pokaay3163]

Antonio appreciation club!! He’s so underrated as a character compared to the rest of the cast, every time he’s on screen you can see what an empathetic and faithful person he is especially to Mirabel. Ed: whoops, Agustín* lol

[@michaelstrong5383]

Best father Disney made in quite a while.

[@glimglum_bum6820]

@@michaelstrong5383 his probably as good as doctor Heinz doofensmrits

[@benjisaac]

in the same scene when Pepa yells that she’s trying her best and Felix goes “yes!” - the men are both such icons

[@TimeBucks]

appreciate how you pointed out that Alma was the antagonist but not the villain.

[@kieranstark7213]

As great as I find Encanto for being very similar to Coco, if there is one thing Encanto did better than Coco (which is also an awesome movie), it’s the lack of a (twist) villain that goes to show the basic knowledge that not everything needs a villain, just an antagonist to dimensionize.

[@Kaimax61]

It's funny that some adults still don't know the differences between antagonist and villain.

[@enigmatic2878]

@@Kaimax61 yeah, it hurts. Good thing my parents didn't really try to point out who's the villain. They just watched and enjoyed it.

[@octogonSmuggler]

@@kieranstark7213 dimensionalize

[@flammenwaffle7976]

Why the fuck is the chick from F.E.A.R. here

[@mightytoast2693]

Raya in a nutshell: "Don't be so hasty to judge children, maybe the creepy stranger really does have candy in his windowless van."

[@tylerpoirier3699]

I LOVE THIS! It describes the film so easily

[@Redfureyes]

My favorite movie no 🥲

[@bonedude1286]

"The van has "Free Candy" written on the side, so there _must_ be free candy in there!"

[@gamercore5216]

bro we don't got time to break down the whole stranger danger situation and how it effected that generation

[@jeffreygao3956]

Better yet: "Don't be so hasty to declare war on the neighboring tyrannical dictatorship; They might just want peace."

[@BelleRose11000]

It's like Raya was written by a narcissist who thinks, "Why don't people just unconditionally trust me?"

[@Gamegedon.900]

that narcisist was the biggest idiot ever. he was the real villain of the movie

[@apnosaurus]

narcissists refer to people with a mental health disorder, not the bitch of the hour who thinks they're the greatest thing ever. Real Narcissism actually involves a lot of severe self loathing over not being able to do what others can, and crippling fear that people you like will abandon you if you slip up in any way. But at the same time you crave attention more than anything and often will do literally anything just so people don't ignore you, because personality disorders stem from heavy childhood abuse.

[@thegrandxbunny2073]

@@Gamegedon.900 Wait, what happened? (Genuinely asking)

[@Gamegedon.900]

@@thegrandxbunny2073 I honestly don’t know

[@lapizlapoppy]

What Encanto did properly is how Mirabel didn't say "I forgive you" after Alma's apology. She says that "nothing could ever be broken that we cannot fix" which is beautiful because it means she doesn't instantly forgive Alma, however she will work towards full forgiveness while also fixing the broken relationship the family has.

[@xxohanzeexx]

Finally it's in words! Its such an underrated line and i think people brushing over it is what makes people think Alma got off to easy. She wasn't forgiven, she was given the chance to be forgiven and she took it and by the end of the film after who knows how long while the house was being rebuilt, she was cuz she put in the work.

[@ongod366]

yeah, most of the time i watch disney movie i predict like 90% of the script because they're so like, unoriginal you could say. i predicted bruno being a good guy because of how late he was shown and how everyone talked about him (in a bad way)

[@SuperCaders]

Ten years of neglect, emotional abuse, isolation and being cast aside like you're an obstacle. It's gonna take a WHOLE lot more than just a hug and a simple "I'm sorry" to fix that.

[@debymello4756]

@@SuperCaders true, but there's also that "all of you" likely takes place through sevaral months. Unless everyone became robots only rebuilding Casita and sometimes singing for a few seconds they likely had time to communicate and show change. One can argue even "sevaral months" is too soon, and I won't argue just saying that it wasn't fixed with just a hug and an apology, that was just the start

[@ClaudetteVioletta]

And that's why ''All of you" matters

[@Applemangh]

Another aspect that makes Alma's redemption feel valid is the fact that she seemed to honestly believe that she was doing right by everyone. She thought she was honoring her husband's sacrifice by using her family to take care of the whole town, and that she was doing what was best for all involved. She was completely wrong, of course, but she learned and acknowledged it.

[@kieranstark7213]

As for the half-baked redemption of 29:05-29:12, on the other hand…

[@manasviojha3940]

Not only that, but I think she had some survivor's guilt. You got lucky, right? Your husband died, you didn't. You should earn the miracle (read: a chance for survival) that saved you. Why wallow in what you lost when you were given so much? The town needs you - after what your husband did you should just straighten your back and help them. If you don't, if you prove yourself unworthy, who knows what will happen to your family? Except that's in no way a sustainable way to be, and it's shown in how much trauma spills into her family, despite her not wanting that. That was my thought watching the film

[@jbcatz5]

She’s got to find herself just as much as the other blood Madrials do. She can talk about her grief and sees more of a kindred spirit in Mirabel, as well as taking a back seat more than she could before knowing the family have earned the loyalty of the town ten times over.

[@sonoio869]

Well, honoring her family by giving to her son a horrible reputation to everyone else at the community

[@jbcatz5]

@@sonoio869 She’s misguided, holding the family to an image of perfection. Bruno and his vision couldn’t be reconciled with that, he already had a bit of a reputation anyway with Pepa, dead fish woman, gut man and bald guy for being held to blame for the prophecies. Mirabel doesn’t have a gift to use for the community’s benefit (she is shown to interact with the village though, she’s not a recluse) so she’s ignored by Alma, asked to stay out of the way while the others actually do things that are useful.

[@cyrpxcgamzr735]

So Sisu was that one person who believed everything they read on the internet

[@nightmarefanatic1819]

"Ooohhh, you have candy? Let me get into your white van with the extremely tinted windows to get some!"

[@cyrpxcgamzr735]

@@nightmarefanatic1819 👏👏👏👏👏

[@zgeonrbx4588]

Wow that is perfect analogy for her an idoit on the internet

[@cyrpxcgamzr735]

@@zgeonrbx4588 lol

[@funnyvideoguy3216]

The sad part is that would definitely be a joke they make in the movie

[@mr.foxasmg]

my literal younger cousin got so confused about the message of trust in Raya and the Last dragon. Like she legit asked "But were supposed to not trust some people? What if they are bad?"

[@Idiot1114]

Raya: THEN SCREW YOU CHILD, TRUST THEM ANYWAY!

[@mr.foxasmg]

@@Idiot1114 he

[@Idiot1114]

@@mr.foxasmg I screwed up my own Non binary characters pronouns, I LITERALLY SUCK AT PRONOUNS SOMETIMES

[@mr.foxasmg]

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[@mr.foxasmg]

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[@fluffystuff500]

People who have hurt you can be forgiven... Encanto: If they are willing to change. Raya: Under all circumstances, no matter what.

[@jeffreygao3956]

Sri Inthrathit: The Khmer may take our gold, our land, but they will never take...OUR FREEDOM!

[@Buglin_Burger7878]

Maybe I've just gone senile but... Wasn't there an entire Arc where learning not to blindly trust everyone in Raya was a thing? Almost every problem was blind trust or blind distrust.

[@thediabolicalraisin8953]

Did you get this from a game? It sounds familiar.

[@fluffystuff500]

@@thediabolicalraisin8953 I didn't intentionally get this from a game, but I wouldn't be surprised if I subconsciously sampled from something I'd seen before on accident.

[@thediabolicalraisin8953]

@@fluffystuff500 it kinda sounded like one of the questions you get in a pmd personality test

[@vernowietsch]

Mirabel's "I will never be good enough for you" after the brief moment of silence during their argument caught me totally off guard and hit like a truck. Whenever I rewatch the movie, it just gets me everytime.

[@michaelpitter9193]

And then she follows up with "Nothing any of us do, will ever be good enough".

[@Carl.theKat]

No really this line hit different cause it's something I can relate to

[@Kaitou1412Fangirl]

@@Carl.theKat Same.

[@amel5469]

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[@abniamisliahzahrah9297]

Me too.. that hits me so hard everytime I rewatch the movie

[@piinkiiepiie]

Namari is basically like “I wanna bring everyone back, but I want the credit.”

[@Dora-xi5ob]

Remember

[@awkward745]

@@Dora-xi5ob ?

[@littlemeow124]

The most infuriating thing about raya is that sisu is constantly beating the moral of trusting others to raya's head when trusting naamari was what caused their society to collapse to begin with. I am surprised the writers didn't catch this.

[@littlemeow124]

As a side note, even though it's becoming a cliche now, the generational trauma plotline in encanto was honestly very well done and pretty subtle. Future movies are probably aren't gonna get it, though.

[@lasercraft32]

I'm surprised the writers didn't catch just _how many times_ they show how blind trust causes harm, only to treat it as a positive thing shortly after.

[@galten7361]

They were just doing a Steven Universe or New Star Wars or (other relevant example) where they use a mega murderous villain to make a point about forgiveness and redeeming and being the messiah and practicing sorta pacifism.

[@heathersmith4042]

@@lasercraft32 even in the ending, namari is shown about to flee with the stone shards and abandon raya's entire group to die. they put their blind trust in her for no reason at all, and the ONLY reason she stayed was because she realized she wasn't going to make it out, so might as well give the stone a try. even in the climax, blind trust nearly ended the world for the second time, and it's just- not addressed. i'd love to hear what the hell went wrong during the movie's writing period because clearly something did.

[@eye_parasite]

​@@galten7361 the fact that 3 genocidal rocks had to fix by a child 💀

[@Stradiwhovius963]

I'm so glad to see someone giving Raya the dragging it deserves tbh. "Sisu died because you didn't trust her" No she died because you fucking shot her. And even the intended message if you ignore how reductive it is fails because, like, Sisu has been demonstrably naive to the point of self endangerment several times already?

[@ARC--5973]

"No, she died cause you fucking shot her" Lord what I wouldn't give for that to have been an actual line in the film

[@jacindaellison3363]

I still like Raya and the Last Dragon, but that line is just as terrible as, in Elmo in Grouchland, Queen Trash telling Elmo he's like the villain b/c they both don't like to share! Thank goodness Daniel Tiger's Neighborhood had an episode where his dad assured him that he doesn't have to share everything, like his stuffed tiger Tigy.

[@Kelsey1987]

Yeah it really pissed me off, but I think what they could’ve done a lot better is instead of Sisu getting shot I feel like Raya should have been shot. That would have given Sisu ammunition to believe that you really can’t trust anyone and would force her character to stop being so goddamn stupid lol. And when I say Raya being shot I don’t mean she would die but probably very badly injured. Because obviously Disney wouldn’t want their main character to nearly die lol.

[@yairsanchez5708]

I didn’t get to finish the movie bc it was just so boring to me. Didn’t believe how well the ratings were on rotten tomatoes.

[@imperatorcaesardivifiliusa2158]

How the FECK does Raya have a higher score on rotten tomato than Encanto. They have the same IMDb score too! How did that happen, with one movie being so much better than the other

[@songbird6414]

Raya’s theme of trust is honestly hilarious considering the fact that most of the movie spends its time trying to hammer in the fact that some people can’t be trusted

[@thomaswhite5122]

And gaslight the protag of being in the wrong? Yeah love watching movies like that villains get redeemed for no reason and not even executing it right

[@LadyLeomon]

Exactly! Hell the only reason Raga’s nemesis (forgot her name) fixed the jewel was because she _had to to survive_ and not because she trusted Raya’s plan. Also, as much as I loved Sisu’s design, she was ... to be blunt a total idiot! It felt like everyone was victim-shaming Raya for not trusting when she’d already been stabbed in the back and lost her father and kingdom because of it! And that whole “you’re as much to blame for Sisu’s death as me” was total bs 😤😤😤

[@baiaku.]

@@LadyLeomon Facts. Victim blaming, Sisu being the equivalent of a 10 year old child that Raya has to take care through the movie, and if that movie teaches anything, it's that certain people CANNOT be trusted. "Forgiveness"? Yeah maybe, but NOT TRUST.

[@starlight-j956]

They were way too ambitious on that movie and could be fleshed out better if it was a series.

[@shardonayM]

@@InvestmentIdea you

[@kitkat-nu5ck]

Will never forget my godawful experience watching Raya. I was in a social skills group, and the teacher decided to put on a movie. 7 of us voted for Tinkerbell, 1 person voted for a Nic Cage movie. Teacher didn't want that one person to be unhappy, so she put on Raya as a compromise. Literally all of us hated it. We were shittalking the movie the entire time, multiple people just straight up left partway through, and we asked the teacher not to show the movie to her kids bc it had such terrible values. The kicker? I looked over partway through the movie to the Nic Cage guy and he was watching a different movie on his phone. We got put through all of that for nothing. I wanted to strangle him.

[@CertifiedSealLover]

What’s the point of voting if they don’t even choose the most voted movie

[@whatno3145]

Unanimous votes are singlehandedly the stupidest things ever.

[@StaDio25]

I don't understand how Raya could complement the Nic Cage, why she decided to put that instead of Tinker Bell? But still, very rude of him not watching (or suffering through) the movie together with you.

[@theenderdestruction2362]

​@@StaDio25 how was it rude please tell me cause from my perspective it sounds like you would throw rocks at someone without reason

[@Gentledemons]

@@theenderdestruction2362 So the teacher didnt want the Nic Cage guy to be upset, so they put on Raya to try and not make him upset **and he didnt even watch the movie, making the teacher’s compromise useless**

[@rod2575]

I think that there is an even better scene with Zuko redemption. In the western air temple where all four members of team avatar all had different acceptance levels of Zuko. Toph was fine with it because the only other experiences she had of Zuko were Iroh talking about him and when they teamed up against Azula, so she didn't mind Zuko. Aang who was reluctant still was accepting because he needed a fire bending teacher and he has had a few positive interactions with Zuko before. Which the next episode showed that they became a good team. Then Sokka who didn't trust Zuko that much was ok with it because Aang was. During the boiling rock, they worked together and ended up making a good team causing Sokka to be fine with Zuko. Then Katara who was hurt the most hated the idea of Zuko working with them and was mad at Zuko until the Southern raiders. Then Katara finally decided to forgive Zuko after the episode. This shows great multiple levels of trust that Raya didn't even try to do.

[@oMuStiiA]

That and Zuko put in the work for each character to help them, not because he wanted them to forgive him and trust him, but because he wanted to make up for the harm he caused in the past, and genuinely wanted to help them for the sake of helping them.

[@rod2575]

@@oMuStiiA I agree, Namari or however you spell her name couldn't do that unlike Zuko.

[@jeffreygao3956]

Because Raya had a TV series plot shoehorned into a film that isn’t even close to three hours.

[@rainpooper7088]

Katara also refused to trust Zuko because he previously betrayed her trust when after their bonding moment back in Ba Sing Se, he still sided with Azula who almost killed Aang. You know, like how Namaari betrayed Raya after their bonding moment. The Fire Nation killing Katara's mother didn't help, but it wasn't the only reason she wanted nothing to do with him. Zuko had to actively make an effort to change her mind and prove he is no longer supporting the crimes of the Fire Nation.

[@notliked42210]

I just experience all of Airbender and Korra and I decided to come to this video for his only avatar analysis and yeah avatar is peak fiction

[@nikotsapaliaris4919]

Just with the Zuko apology, the part i find the best of that, is that Zuko asks 'how can you forgive me so easily'. He went in fully expecting Iroh to, well, hate him. Then the way Iroh says 'I was never angry, just worried you had lost your way'. It was truly emotional Edit: Thank u so much for all the likes

[@CringeEXE]

You gave me so many flashbacks about that show and that scene, thank you, I’m gonna rewatch that same scene on loop

[@nikotsapaliaris4919]

@@CringeEXE I'm happy I reminded you of something that made you happy. :)

[@hm-sg9sm]

@@nikotsapaliaris4919 iroh and zuko are some of my two favourite characters in all of fiction, thank you for reminding me of that scene too

[@nikotsapaliaris4919]

@@hm-sg9sm you are most welcome

[@lilagura6427]

i didn't cry when i first watched that scene but hearing so many people explain the buildup and emotion in it makes me cry now

[@hainanegins9672]

Can we just talk about how Disney nailed that painful ugly cry perfectly from Alma after she lost her husband. Idk why it's so captivating, but its just, "mwah", chefs kiss!

[@alyssaagnew4147]

Yeah, there's no sound from her, but you can feel the pain and anguish she is experiencing just from watching her reaction.

[@CheerUp2]

Just watching her in so much pain gets me super emotional and I feel on the verge oof tears every time

[@ijornhribrudkrvir]

Yeah between Encanto and Arcane, 2021 animators rly just nailed realistic animated crying and damn is it good

[@fairybebbiesuwu366]

i cried so hard watching that part

[@ggt47]

Arcane did it first.

[@el1teskittlez]

Raya’s story is sadly how many people live, others denying abuse. My grandmother still denies to this day that my father ever abused me, and i felt so alone for a long time, but Encanto is incredible man.. beautifully animated, and Alma has an amazing redemption arc

[@ayyymacaroni]

I hope that your grandmother exposes your father and begins to take care of you the way she should've. I also hope that your father gets his bones rearranged in alphabetical order.

[@avengirl6479]

Dang, I am so sorry. Sending a lot of love to you

[@EclipsingTNT]

Have you gotten any therapy?

[@cobbletarts]

I love Encanto's ending, but after reading some fanfictions, I wish they would explore more of Mirabel. I mean, she's 15 and is her family's therapist which isn't exactly healthy. However, the movie can only fit in so much within their time span so it's understandable if it isn't explored much. Thank goodness for fan stories for exploring that topic more without a limit.

[@placeholderdoe]

I really hope you’re doing well, your experiences are valid

[@mundoatena1674]

Raya's message actually reminds me of a class I had once, in which the teacher said that no matter the abuse or differences, we should NEVER disconect with someone or chose to keep the relationship purely professional. On his words: "It's cruel and immature to not have a relationship with someone. You always should put in the work to build something, even in a broken/one sided relation". He eve went out of his way to say that even a r4pist dad should receive a chance/attempt at relationship fixing from the r4ped daughter. Till this day his class is infuriating to me. And Raya is exactly the same kind of message

[@kiwivvv]

that teacher should not be allowed around children again

[@fenjamaus02]

That sounds legit awful.... Forgiveness is a Privilege NOT an obligation. No victim has to forgive or trust anyone who has hurt them. Ever! Besides, you should want to be a better Person simply because you want to be better, not because you want Forgiveness.

[@liquoricetaffyhearth]

Oh my gosh. How is he a teacher-

[@wutertots1487]

Wow...

[@traktor420]

I wanna see that teacher’s search history

[@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access]

What i like about Alma’s backstory is it does NOT excuse her But it *does* explain her

[@Oliviagarry69420]

It’s like Beatrice from Bojack

[@EndertheDragon0922]

Yes! People sometimes see backstories as “excuses.” Actually, that reminds me of something. It’s a bit personal but it’s really relevant to the themes of Encanto. I remember when I was a kid my mom kinda excused my stepdad’s anger issues because he had gone through losing a wife to some terminal illness and that pain never really went away. She normalized everything, perhaps because she didn’t know what to do and was just hoping it would all stop if she acted like everything was ok? But even when I was young I thought it was stupid. Sure, it happened, but it’s not an excuse to bring misery to other people.

[@DoctorKidemonas]

@@EndertheDragon0922 _cough cough_ Snape _cough_

[@jennfreeman1962]

@@DoctorKidemonas*spoilers* People use Snape's backstory as an excuse for him doing all the bad things he (most likely) did as a death eater, and even if he wasn't that bad of a death eater he didn't care if Harry and James died, he just wanted Lily alive. And (if I remember correctly) he gave Voldemort a bit of the Prophecy.

[@DoctorKidemonas]

@@jennfreeman1962 ik. That was my point.

[@dyinginside821]

the only thing I didn’t like about encanto is that bruno doesn’t get an apology from anyone, instead he tries to apologize.

[@Whatlander]

Yeah, at the very least they could have apologized for singing a whole song about how much they think he sucks - which he definitely heard. Bruno is such an incredible Uncle. Man ruins his own entire life just to make sure one of his nieces doesn't suffer the way he did. And then he straight up confronts Alma after hiding from her for years, fully ready to take the brunt of her anger for his niece. It's played off as a comedic palate cleanser after the emotional climax, but that scene really blindsided me with just how much he wants to protect Mirabel from his mother. Bruno was hurt so badly, yet he's hellbent on not letting his trauma become Mirabel's.

[@tgbluewolf]

I wouldn't say that he doesn't get an apology, just that they don't say the literal words "I'm sorry"; however, their actions do show that they are remorseful. Plus, it must be remembered that they'd been suppressing their feelings under Alma's thumb for all those years--they're not going to suddenly be able to express themselves right away.

[@frozenyogurth]

@@tgbluewolf Very fair point.

[@mrcoconut5077]

I think that Bruno was right to apologize to Pepa, he said " That wasn't a profecy I could just see you were sweating" in the song "All of you" meaning he told his SISTER that's very emotional on HER WEDDING DAY that "it looks like rain" as a joke, that was insensitive and that's why Pepa panicked and the hurricane began. Pepa was the only one bruno apologized to in the song and it was a well deserved apology.

[@Cognitive_player]

It is important to know that the family generally didn't like Bruno, and that is why there is a song literally dissing him (and knowing where he was the whole time, he probably heard it). Bruno trying to apologize to his family makes him a more likable character, and given the context leading up to this scene, really makes him a more likable character. Even though nobody really apologized for misjudging him, it is still proven Julieta and Pepa both deeply missed their brother, (via the hug and lyrics such as "We're just happy that you're here, ok"), and that is an ending that still resonated well.

[@gracel8790]

Imo, in a way, the house breaking WAS Mirabel's fault. But it wasn't a bad thing. The cracks in the house are such an excellent metaphor for the breakage of the family. Their family was always broken, but no one would acknowledge it, perfectly encapsulated by "We Don't Talk About Bruno." They sweep this huge family issue under the rug. The first two people who see the cracks with us is Mirabel and Bruno. Mirabel only AFTER her ballad about how she can't keep pretending she's fine. She finally stopped lying to her self and acknowledged how hurt she was. Other members of the family only saw the cracks when they recognized there was a problem, even if they thought Mirabel was the problem. The house breaking apart was the "climax" to this metaphor. When Mirabel confronted her Abuela, she exposed all of the issues that had been festering for the whole movie. It shows that we need to confront these issues and, in a way, seemingly break them further. Then, and only then, can you begin to rebuild.

[@cosmicflower5891]

watch the FIlm Theory, about Encanto, and the true villain behind it

[@Beweef]

@@cosmicflower5891 Hi dad

[@jeffreygao3956]

With the way Alma ran things, the house would eventually start cracking.

[@bigshrekhorner]

@@cosmicflower5891 Encanto doesn't have a villain. Everyone played a role at the house breaking and the miracle dying, imo, because those who had a gift forgot its meaning, thinking they do it justice only if they serve someone (their community), Alma being the worst offender (even though she didn't have a gift herself), and because Mirabel was bitter that she didn't have a gift of her own.

[@batcrow6224]

The house breaking at that time was absolutely Mirabel's fault but it was simply quickening the inevitable. The house was slowly cracking and someday would have eventually fallen apart but Mirabel causing the house to break at that moment was like a slap in the face to everyone else in the family. They wake up and in that moment are able to understand what their issue is and where they need to go to build back up again. If their relationship had continued to slowly break down then the house would have slowly crumbled into dust, impossible to rebuild again.

[@SplendidSuperman122]

Mirabel’s dad saying, “I was thinking about my daughter!“ Is such a G move.

[@Gamegedon.900]

what a chad

[@Basedbuild]

You literally copied and pasted this comment from a different one with more likes. Loser.

[@Amethyst.i]

FR

[@ember9361]

bot comment

[@SplendidSuperman122]

@@ember9361 Bruh I’m not a bot.

[@mauratyson9580]

Mirabel’s parents are the most underrated characters in the family. They’re the only ones that don’t treat her like less than a person because of her powers and actually acknowledge that others treat her that way.

[@Whatlander]

Plus Bruno, who was so scared for Mirabel that he became an actual hermit. And the end where he actually tries to confront his mother on his niece's behalf really got to me, even though it was played as a comedic scene.

[@catandrobbyflores]

I only have one tiny beef in regards to herr parents and that the talk momma had with mirabelle should have been her dad saying something along the lines of he loves her and values her as much as her magical sisters because as a non magical member of the family he doesn't see her as broken or a failure/disappoint. Or have both of them the magical and non magical parents have the discussion cementing the fact that they don't see her differently.

[@ShadowYetSleepy]

I thought Luisa also didn't treat her less like a person?

[@morganlewis9437]

Correct me if I'm wrong, and keep in mind I haven't watched the movie since December, but I don't remember any instances where any of the family members treated her badly. Sure none of them came to her defense but I remember only her parents seemed to be doing that. Alma was the only one treating her any different. Everyone else seemed to have overall positive or neutral interactions with her. Excluding Isabel as she was also antagonistic up until her change near the end of the film

[@RockyGems]

@@ShadowYetSleepy That's right, Luisa treats her the way any typical responsible older sibling would if their younger sibling came to them with a serious problem. She quickly opens up to Mirabel about her worries with very little convincing needed and points her in the right direction to investigate Bruno's prophecy.

[@0calliestar0]

I also think it’s interesting that barely anyone remembers or cares about Raya’s 5 main characters, while Encanto has 11 main characters that people love and basically create mini fanbases for. People always tried to argue Raya would be better if it had more time to develop the characters, but Encanto disproves that by having a cast twice as big and still way more memorable than evil baby and eye patch man.

[@hunterolaughlin]

But will each Madrigal family members’ fan base be as big as Camillo’s? Update: And Bruno’s? 😉

[@reasyrandom]

I liked Boun, aka "Shrimp Boy"

[@jakoblent4694]

@@hunterolaughlin Brunos is like probably Bigger everyone loves the tele a novela ratman

[@hunterolaughlin]

@@jakoblent4694 Ironically, people are taking about Bruno. 😂

[@Kelsey1987]

I agree and like some of the characters in Encanto have barely 5 minutes of screen time for example. Camilo, probably the character with the least amount of dialogue in the entire family is literally one of the most popular characters. Because Enconto has really great characters every single one of them is memorable even the ones that barely get any time to flesh out their character. But yeah I think that Raya and the last Dragon really suffers from character development and a lot of other things. Obviously Encanto is the better film and I hope that Disney gives us a TV series or something because people have been begging them to make one.

[@DudeEM]

The review on Raya is spot on. It’s very irresponsible of Disney to release a movie that insists that the world is merely black and white. A lot of people can lose their lives should they believe the message of this movie. Also, the part where Namari gaslighted Raya after the sword fight between them and Raya realized that Namari was right just screamed “trust narcissists and empathize with them.” Dried up well of creativity Disney?

[@galten7361]

You're talking about the same Disney that has Kylo Ren. Might as well have them get Rebecca Sugar or the ones behind wannabe anime Avatar or etc.

[@flymetothemoon6848]

i mean disney made encanto as well.

[@gachareacter4170]

The thing is, the message could've been SOO much better if Namari even just showed a little remorse. A little doubt, a little guilt, just anything. They could've had one small scene where Namari admitted her guilt, or just one line where she says, "I wish I didn’t tear us down." But no. It's heartbreaking watching this movie and understanding the missed opportunity

[@galten7361]

You'd think so but they were too busy making her out to be some badass sorta attractive mega murderer whose mommy is mean to her.

[@MuddledVagabond]

A

[@sonicroze]

I'm a cake decorator. Nobody so far has asked me about Raya. I have done 5 orders for Encanto recently - just took one today in fact. That says a lot to me.

[@aashycoconut]

Lmao

[@troodon1096]

It doesn't mean the movie is good, just that the marketing department did a better job.

[@johnpaulcross424]

@@troodon1096 also that Encanto just had way more staying power in they eyes of the general public… which is often a sign of quality

[@AlashiaTuol]

@@troodon1096 I personally heard way more about Raya than Encanto when it came to official marketing... up until the films actually came out. Then Raya disappeared from relevancy fast, while Encanto became waaaaay more talked about when it hit Disney+ and eventually I started seeing ads and merchandise.

[@susragejr477]

@@troodon1096 Yeah I guess you could say it had better marketing, but Encanto is still miles better regardless if the marketing was good or not

[@babykillingcadillac6719]

“Explains her actions without justifying them” explains alma so well and drives the theme of generational trauma. It’s not talked about enough how trauma is cyclical in nature. Abusers have often been abused themselves. That’s why it’s up to the abused to break the cycle, just like mirabel did. It doesn’t excuse the abuse an abuser gives from what they’ve endured, it just explains their actions and unsolved underlying issues. I’m glad a movie like encanto exists-to show an abuser realize they’re wrong and make an attempt to atone for their actions and help who they’ve hurt as a way to heal from their own trauma

[@GameyGaming]

Bine

[@GameyGaming]

Nice*

[@3v1l73ddy]

I wish real people were able to change like this... But in my experience it doesn't go down that way, they remain feeling self righteous like they never did anything wrong...

[@GameyGaming]

@@3v1l73ddy most people don’t want to admit it when they’re wrong and sometimes even double down on their actions. It’s not all bad, though, lots of people still own up to their mistakes and strive to improve. It all depends I guess, just be mindful of how everyone acts

[@GameyGaming]

@@3v1l73ddy also I’m no therapist don’t take my words too literally lol

[@Yashael341]

Everyone in Encanto was suffering alone. Except for Pepa, but she couldn't really help that. Alma lost her home and her husband in one night, in front of her baby triplets, and she suffered alone for 50 years. She's terrified of ever being vulnerable again. Now, there's a certain truth to the idea of using your blessings to bless others. It's beautiful, and it makes our world better. But she slipped into a common trap of focusing too much on it, and thinking that you "earn" miracles. It's not just about projecting an image of a perfect family. She thinks that if they serve the community, she'll never have to face loss like that again.

[@richardbond258]

A beautiful explanation of the movie's message. ❤

[@tribal2199]

Raya and the Last Dragon seems like the kind of movie a dead beat/abusive parent would show to their kids on loop to brainwash them. See kids, no matter what I do, you need to trust me.

[@ayyymacaroni]

@@poppy-jb3st holy shartburgers it's propaganda

[@gaspoweredpick]

This is pretty accurate.

[@brianadoesart5195]

Someone pointed this out before, but I'm gonna say it again here--- the house falling apart scene probably also helped to open Alma's eyes to how much she was hurting the whole family. Not just because the house broke, but because everyone was trying to save the Candle instead of themselves. Not just Mirabel, no no! EVERYONE. Isabela and Camilo both nearly get themselves killed along with Mirabel trying to save the Candle instead of trying to get out when the house is clearly falling down. If it had just been Mirabel, maybe then Alma could have thought ""Oh its just her who feels like this."" But it isn't! Camilo is also trying to save the Candle and Isabela- her Golden Child is also putting the safety of the Miracle/Candle over her own life! Because that's the message she instilled in the grandkids their whole lives. They could have been crushed and killed so easily. Especially as their gifts faded. But they didn't care. The Miracle is more important than they are! They ALL truly believe this! Not just Mirabel. ALL OF THEM. And having to see that right in front of her face... That had to really be eye opening.

[@aidankocherhans9861]

Dang, every comment I read gives me a new perspective on the movie, I love this take!

[@icymoons]

i'm pretty sure Camilo and Isabela were actually trying to save Mirabel, since everyone was pretty consistently telling Mirabel to not put herself in danger and all that, but regardless it would have looked a certain way to Abuela, so you're pretty right

[@VelvetCake423]

@@icymoons Nan, Isabella and Camillo make direct shots at the candle before mirabel can een get close, its once their powers fade that they try to save Mirabel too, most likely because they may think its too late or because they quite rightly make the choice that the candle is not worth the life of a family member

[@AnakhaSilver]

@@VelvetCake423 I think it's more if they grab it first, Mirabel won't have to risk herself because they KNOW she will.

[@VelvetCake423]

@@AnakhaSilver that’s also a very good point. I like that point A LOT. Especially after Isabella and her had a really good heart to heart

[@whitethunder9064]

What's especially crazy about Raya's message is that THEY HAD AN ENTIRE SCENE SHOWING WHY BLIND TRUST IS A BAD THING! When Sisu just trusts the old lady from the sea village, she gets betrayed! Raya calls her out for it, but the movie still tries to say that SISU is RIGHT!

[@FranciscoPetrucioJunior]

The Movie: Blind trust is bad Also the movie: Well, yes, but actually, no

[@galten7361]

the movie isn't just saying muh trust everyone but also that "forgive anyone even if they're villains in service to conquerors and already ended up making your world how it is and if you don't do it fast you're the one who's badwrong"

[@gilbertinastefan]

Bro,did this movie have trouble production,because the script just changes soooooooo drastically, they visualise the good of putting a little bit of trust,the bad of framing Raya for Sisu’s death and the ugly for how Namari’s redemption arc was done.

[@humantoon]

I think what the movie’s message was trying to be was “it’s ok to trust others, don’t let one experience cause you to shield yourself for the rest of your life.” But the entire movie is written so weirdly that it’s making the entire message hard to understand. Hell, I’m not even sure if what I’m guessing is correct because the entire movie makes everything so damn confusing and convoluted. I fucking hate Sisu so much. She’s the most unlikeable protagonist in the entire movie despite being one of the most important

[@Chilloutlilbro]

​@@FranciscoPetrucioJunior Media literacy could've prevented this dumb ass comment

[@oMuStiiA]

Something I think is worth noting about Encanto is the fact that Mirabel wasn't the only family member without a gift. Alma herself also doesn't have a gift either. So imo I got the feeling that Alma pushed those with gifts to be of use because she felt like she had nothing to offer herself, so she relied on her kids and grandkids to help others and protect their family in her stead, hence why she put so much stake in them, so they could make up for her own perceived shortcomings and inability. I also felt like she projected her insecurities related to this onto Mirabel, and it wasn't until Mirabel spelled it out to her that she realized what she'd been doing. Because Mirabel telling her that she was the one causing the house to break down was probably a confirmation of her worst fear, that she was the weak link in the family, and it would be because of her that it would fall apart. Because of how tightly her issues are tied with her behaviour, it makes her apology and desire to make things right feel that much more sincere. In acknowledging that Mirabel doesn't need a gift to be a vital and loved member of the family, Alma can also learn to view herself that way as well, which would be an important part of her healing process so she can address her own insecurities and how it affects her treatment of others. Granted this is just my interpretation.

[@ethanbaer65]

Disney really is super hit or miss nowadays. Some movies have a very strong message that they handle very well like Encanto or Coco, and others are like "Do you get it?! DO YoU gEt tHE mEsSaGE?" I really hope they manage to pull themselves together soon.

[@joaopaulolimacavalcante3050]

I mean, Coco is Pixar. Yeah, yeah, same company now, I know, but from a storytelling perspective, Pixar is usually more consistently well done thab Disney, in MY honest opinion 😊. Just pointing out, I agree witb the comment.

[@michaelstrong5383]

What I love about Encanto is that the message is portrayed so casually and it's never hitting you over the head, unlike Raya, who repeats the lesson about trust so many times.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Me: Why does Raya and the last dragon have such a bad message Disney: THAT WAS MY MISTAKE

[@megatennepster3833]

What helps is that it feels like everybody has a different idea on what the message of Encanto is

[@searchingforausername9393]

What makes it even worse is that the message SUCKS. The moral is to forgive and trust people who have proven on numerous occasions they are untrustworthy. What a great message to preach to children 🙄

[@mariajimenafigueroa233]

Poor, dude. You make a nice comment and then bots come to ruined the replies

[@GabesEdtiz]

@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 this will never get old. Also Jesus Christ, why are all these comments full of bots 😂

[@AlphaOrion98]

I like mirabel’s dad. He saw her with Bruno’s vision and he immediately took her side. He also defended her to his mother in law. He is ride or die for his daughter and I feel like not enough people talk about him

[@Mysteryof89]

The "I was looking out for my daughter" part always gets to me T_T

[@gabrielcarneirocarelli6632]

Agustín Supremacy

[@lauramercedes1835]

Agustín is also very interesanting in his clothing. He has a flower because of Isabella, an embroidery of Luisa and Mirabel in each one of his socks!

[@MoxieCat]

Yeah, that was the point where it hit me how much Abuela affected the family. Sure the family's broken, but everyone else at least cares about Mirabel, despite her being an outcast.

[@ClaudetteVioletta]

@@MoxieCat i know right, they showed on many scenes, even as little as some were, that they love her with or without gift, just that she dosen't sees herself that special, and the family (even with all the love) don't know how great she is yet.

[@demfrodegroot7596]

Funny how this movie does practice show and tell. It shows us how trusting people blindly is dangerous And it tells us to trust people blindly.

[@ayyymacaroni]

we shouldnt trust the movie blindly then :D

[@amirgarcia547]

The movie has such a confused and muddled message, since Sisu nearly gets killed from blindly trusting someone…and yet Raya gets called out for not blindly trusting Naamari after everything she did. So wtf am I supposed to believe???

[@Sydney2010.]

For the people who are confused, they’re talking about Raya and the last Dragon

[@everis2535]

Raya is basically the colonizer's/bully's view on how trust works. You repeatedly break trust over and over but you deserve to be forgiven and give us your trust and power again anyway 🤣 . I can't believe you actually watched that movie a second time for this video, you have truly suffered for our benefit here.

[@ayyymacaroni]

TH COLONIZER- I CANT IM WHEEZING LMAOOO

[@galten7361]

Top kek.

[@hariman7727]

So... basically how the DNC treats anyone who disagrees with them.

[@kiwimusume]

It was badly done, but given that the coloniser’s mindset is also “if the other side attacks us, we should bomb three countries”, the USA could really stand to internalise Raya’s intended message.

[@trinaq]

I loved how there was no twist villain in "Encanto", with Abeula being the closest thing to an antagonist, yet she's revealed to have understandable motives behind her actions.

[@arturocastroverde3349]

Abuela is a fusion between shifu and carl fredericksen

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Abuela honestly wasn’t even a villain just a person who had a traumatizing past and a person who loves her family but can’t see the flaw in her methods

[@pianojadestookey]

Adding on to that, it reinforces the idea that the terms “antagonist” and “villain” are not synonymous. Abuela was definitely an active antagonist for most of the film, but it feels wrong to call her a villain, because the word “villain” implies that she’s evil - when she’s far from it. An antagonist is simply a character or force that opposes the protagonist - they could be evil, but they don’t have to be. So that’s why I would say Abuela is an antagonist, but not a villain.

[@dr.wolfstar1765]

The grandma was the twist villian

[@2heo1987]

@today was a good day????

[@rosenrot234]

As someone that grew up in a toxic household. I understand the whole "Toxic family should never be forgiven". Totally. But man I still ugly cried at Mirabel getting an honest apology from Alma. For a lot of us, an apology like that will never happen. So hearing it in this movie just broke me down for awhile. Just one of those good long cries.

[@xCoatlicuex]

I fell you and I'm sorry about you. I get annoyed at how people can trash talk Alma when she admits her mistake, apologizes and goes back to try to fix her mistakes. I would have loved that my own toxic familars were able to at least admit their mistakes instead kept hurting others, and thinking they are right. Or just expecting blind obedience whitotu any explanation. Seeing a family head just ADMIT her mistakes feels like a hit in the chest.

[@sunshineyrainbows13]

Forgiveness is always the right thing to do. I think we as a culture need to acknowledge that forgiveness and actually maintaining a close and trusting relationship aren't always the same thing. I don't have a close relationship with my estranged, abusive dad but I do forgive him in my heart. It's better for both of us, spiritually and mentally.

[@arilovesbingus8626]

@@xCoatlicuex honestly i still trash talk alma cuz projection lol. I cant trash talk my mom and alma is pretty simular

[@rosenrot234]

@@sunshineyrainbows13 I mean good for you but that doesn't mean others have to bother with that

[@lauras.9294]

As someone else who grew up in a toxic and lowkey emotionally abusive household, I think if my parents actually gave me a real, heartfelt apology and actively tried to do better, I would honestly forgive them too. I don't think that everyone should, though. And since the chance of my parents actually realizing they're wrong, actually aknowledging it, seriously apologizing and really trying to do better is pretty much impossible, I don't think I'll be forgiving them any time soon.

[@fart676]

Missed opportunity to name the video: “How Raya failed, and Encanto sailed”

[@alecchristiaen4856]

I feel like Raya's saving grace is the aesthetic of the world, which I will admit looks super cool. But while I was less on board with the aesthetic of Encanto, I enjoyed every second of watching it.

[@bluesira]

Yeah that’s all I can say about Raya. “It’s.. *pretty* at least!”

[@rommix0]

That's the excuse for any Disney film nowaday. It got the looks but lacks the substance those movies desperately need.

[@megangamble8859]

i agree. when i saw raya's poster and trailer i was super excited about the character design.

[@afqwa423]

Ugh no. I think it's a patronizing orientalism. The whole thing is insufferably twee and I'm not surprised the moral message is too.

[@amberhernandez]

"A bag of burning feces will be no more pleasant if the bag is paper or silk; it is still a bag of burning shit."

[@thomaswhite5122]

The message for Raya is "trust everyone even if they stabbed you in the back over n over"

[@yourdickisonfire7106]

Or groom you

[@dakat5131]

"In fact, even if you've trusted them with everything, you've still not trusted them enough and you should be ashamed" It's like yelling at a victim that everything is their fault even if there's nothing they could have done to deserve or avert that situation.

[@courtneyisanicon4699]

Is like theyre telling people to get back with their toxic ex

[@RiyanKarF]

The message is trust TF2 spies

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

Oof lmao

[@fuumiku]

A detail I really really liked in Encanto is how Mirabel did get the candle when the house crumbled, but when the others rush back in when it’s safe, when her mother runs to her asking worriedly if she’s okay, checking her for injuries, she doesn’t even *think* to look for or ask about the candle

[@NakuruKouChannel]

i just watched it earlier today and i distinctively remember there was a voice telling her to "leave it"

[@nanjibaahmed8874]

I loved that so much, how in the end the entire family was telling Mirabel to leave cus above all they wanted her safe

[@_p_s]

@@NakuruKouChannel its there! julietta yells it out to her. mira’s parents consistently yell at her to “leave the candle” and that “the house is gonna fall” when she goes for the candle

[@randompromises1038]

mirabel was the only one who didn't hesitate to rush to grab the candle while casita had the others forced out for the sake of their safety and i think about that a LOT lmao

[@miskamooska4512]

Yeah and I would say that mirabelle's parents are honestly great parents. I'm glad that Mirabel's mom didn't adopt the same ideals from Alma, and her dad actually wanted to have Mirabel's back.

[@dddddddtttttt]

That avatar the last Airbender scene is no joke. the feels

[@ThndrMge]

Teared up just from watching it in this video. Uncle Iroh is a dang treasure, man.

[@upliftothers4599]

Uncle Iroh is the uncle we all need

[@animeturnMMD]

26:01 Well actually the Madrigal family is a perfect mirror of how many traditional families used to work in Colombia, even you can say that every Colombian family has its own Bruno and its own Mirabel, people who is ostracized for being different or for not follow or agree with the customs and tradition of the rest of the family or even worse for trying to protect the family and failing at doing so like Bruno. For more younger people these situations are pretty alien, because in the last 20 years our society has changed a lot, there is not so much families with a lot of aunties, uncles, brothers, sisters and cousing anymore, this is something more from the time of our parents and grandparents, but I remember that my dad cried (a 60 year old man) with this movie because he really feel identified with the circumstances of the Madrigal family especially with Mirabel and Bruno, you can say he was kind of a Bruno himself.

[@ayyymacaroni]

We don't talk about Bruno-I mean user animeturnMMD's grandfather

[@jeffreygao3956]

We don’t…but I DO!

[@sabrexi7228]

A small thing, but I love when you first see the grandfather’s death, it’s sad but not very emotional. But when you get Abuela’s telling, it’s so intense and heartbreaking. She’s screaming and bawling her eyes out. It’s kind of like how everyone knew what happened, but they didn’t realize just how heartbreaking and tragic it really was

[@PhreakOutBigTime]

its so interesting because both versions are abuela alma's telling, but the first one is to her 5 year old granddaughter, an age appropriate version that focuses on magic and miracles, and when she talks to the community she only says 'in our darkest moment, this candle blessed us with a miracle'. the focus is only on the good that came of what happened, while only mentioning the bare minimum of the bad because shes has to inspire the community and to them, what alma lost is not what they want to hear. and when we finally see the true version of what happened at the end, we see she has barely minutes to comprehend the horror of what has just happened to her before the other villagers approach her for help and leadership. abuela alma never had an opportunity to be sad, to fully process what happened to her in her own time, because from the very beginning, minutes after her loss, she's had to frame what happened as a gift, a miracle that saved them all. the version she told 5 year old maribel in the beginning is probably the only version she's ever told *anyone* in all these years. she's been playing down and denying her trauma ever since it happened, and because of that could never truly process and heal from it until she's confronted with losing her home again, but no longer expected by the village to be in control of fixing everything.

[@jillian6121]

@@PhreakOutBigTime YES THANK YOU!!! nobody ever talks about that but it’s also a huge detail. she’s sugarcoating it to seem positive at the beginning, but at the end she just tells it how it is, in all its heart-wrenching traumatizing glory

[@luisaalecrim7876]

@@PhreakOutBigTime you really said it all

[@Minx-4321]

Another part that really hit me was when she was sitting alone in her new house with her 3 babies, like she's safe now but she still has to raise 3 kids on her own

[@kieranstark7213]

The expression of her grief… STOP IT, DISNEY! IT’S TOO REAL! YOU KNOW HOW TO MAKE GROWN ADULTS CRY WHEN WATCHING THIS MASTERPIECE THAT ONLY HATERS/RAYA AND THE LAST DRAGON DEFENDERS THAT WISH THEY COULD DISLIKE THIS VIDEO HATE!

[@zephyrprime8]

Raya's message is actually pretty toxic. It just says "You should fully trust every person regardless of how well you know them and if you don't, you're the bad person."

[@ExplosiveBrohoof]

There's a dual message as well that comes as a corollary: "You can backstab and betray your victims as many times as you want if they're willing to blindly trust you."

[@ayyymacaroni]

RATLD is the reason why abusers think they're good people

[@jeffreygao3956]

So...Si Inthrathit should have trusted that the Khmer would treat his people better despite them basically enslaving the Thai through colonization? The Vietcong should've just trusted the Americans to treat them better than the Saigon government? Aguanaldo trust the Americans to be "nice" colonizers?!

[@grawlix-man463]

@@jeffreygao3956 Look, I respect your enthusiasm, but can you chill out a bit? you've been repeating this same stuff for over a month on this same video, I think everyone got your message

[@jeffreygao3956]

Southeast Asia’s real history is way better than Raya and super underrated.

[@Yashael341]

Namari: "I didn't mean for any of this to happen!" Ok, but you meant to betray us. Twice. And both times, you effed the whole world. This is a direct result of what you MEANT to do. You knew it was bad. Why should I care if you didn't want it to be THIS bad?

[@kiwimusume]

“Us”? She didn’t betray YOU. She’s a narrative tool who basically represents countries that your country is at war with. And yes, there are cases like Russia and Ukraine where there’s a clear villain and victim, but there are plenty of others where both countries have committed violence against each other and civilians are caught in the crossfire. Think of it like Americans who think 9/11 justified bombing three countries.

[@anxiouswaffle._.419]

What I love about dos orugiutas(I can’t spell) is that when the origin of the miracle is shown in the beginning of the movie, it’s seen as a beautiful and happy thing because it’s being told to a child. Alma is explaining it to a 5 year old mirabel in a way that doesn’t share the unknown details of that night that Alma never opens up about. But with the dos orugitas scene, the start is beautiful, but it shows every detail about how terrifying and heartbreaking it was for Alma. Seeing her scream and fall to her knees when her husband is murdered, and how drained her bloodshot eyes look in the new home with her kids. That scene is her fulling opening up about her experiences after holding in that pain for 50 years. It’s not excusing get actions, but it shows just hot much heartbreak she went through. That’s why encanto is one of my favorite movies.

[@lemonywater2979]

I never thought about that. That's so tragic.

[@Priogab]

7:07 Sisu actually has ONE funny line in the movie : Sisu : "YOU BROKE THE GEM?!" Raya : "Well I still have a big chunk of it tho..." Sisu : "Is that supposed to make me feel better? If you lost a puppy and I said "Well we still have a big chunk of it", would that make you feel better???" It's not really the line itself, it's just that I didn't expect such a graphic image to be put in my head by a Disney movie.

[@MidnightPanik]

Lmao- that one I laughed at also-

[@deji3256]

one of the only things that made me smile in this movie. the other was any scene with boat boy

[@MidnightPanik]

@@deji3256 Yeah, like I feel like Raya focused to much on representation but forgot about the literal plot itself- Like Disney, imagine how much BETTER the representation would be if you actually focused on the plot more and making the meaning good- like I’d take Turning Red over Raya when it comes to representation. Like Raya is not horrible at all- I just feel like it could’ve been so much more…

[@peterwhite6415]

I have to imagine the movie would be alot darker then what it already is, if they actually bother on making the writting good.

[@MidnightPanik]

@@peterwhite6415 I agree 100%. It's sad bc as Vietnamese American, I was really hoping for this to not just have good representation of a strong character, but also have a good plot. In which yeah they did good on diversity and all, but they forgot about good writing. :,

[@shandya]

To Raya defense, Raya being gaslighted for the whole movie that everything is her fault and Namari never apologize for her mistakes...are one of the essences of Asian culture.

[@vertebraefeline6067]

True enough

[@Phillip-wt4dz]

Holy shit, you've just blown my mind

[@helenaperez4343]

But then again, generational trauma and family toxicity are also essences of Hispanic/Latino culture lol

[@kushastea3961]

funny how this gaslighting also exist in contemporary orientalism, aka "Asians bad cuz you're either poor communist or collectivist, absolutely not the fault of centuries of colonialism ripping away your wealth and culture!"

[@cherilynsarts8845]

This is so true

[@MisterDeplume]

Honestly, if the movie was about how Raya betrayed Namaari and that's how the world got effed up, I think it would've been a lot more compelling. Because now, it would be about her trying to fix things and win back Namaari's trust, which is understandably hard and makes Namaari's antagonistic nature a lot more reasonable.

[@eowynsisterdaughter]

Completely, I only saw the film recently, but it would 've worked much better if the roles were switched and Raya was a villain protagonist until she completes her character arc.

[@defectivedimensions4369]

There's another very important, and rather unfortunate reason why Raya's message failed, while Encanto's succeeded: It's easier to fix a broken family, than a broken world. Unfortunately, it's not that the world can't get along, so much as it doesn't want to get along. The world's issues aren't as simple as a mere lack of trust like in Raya. As nice as the movie's message is, our world just can't attain that, mostly because it doesn't want it. I mean, just take what's currently going on in the East for example. No, it's a lot easier to mend family bonds than it is to mend a broken planet.

[@mattmanpro]

Very true...and yet we need to mend our broken planet, and we need stories that engage with that. That's what Raya is trying to do while obeying the conventions of single-character narratives (which really are the only kinds of stories we actually respond to). Of course it's reductive, but I admire its ambition. I give Raya real credit for trying to tell a story about repairing the world, precisely because it is so hard to do so. And at its heart, I think the message is right. It's not trust, exactly, but radical outreach-trying to bridge the divide in spite of everything, knowing they don't deserve your trust and yet knowing that someone has to make the first move. That really is the only way we ever can begin to repair the world. An eye for an eye really does make the whole world blind.

[@ahmedhalawa5495]

One scene I feel is a bit overlooked in Encanto is when Antonio is going to get his gift and feels scared/pressured and asks Mirabel to go with him, we see Alma just looks worried that Mirabel might jinx him or something giving no thought as to how Antonio or Mirabel are feeling. That was so heartwarming to see Mirabel trying to overcome her own trauma of not getting a gift by helping Antonio feel more comfortable in that moment.

[@LIAuNXeNON]

in that moment i realised that to abuela the family really didn't matter it was their gifts. i mean the sheer relief that is plainly shown on her face when Antonios door doesn't dissappear is also what really solidifies her misguided views(wether conciously or unconciously in ppls mind as the face is one that ppl will understand the most as opposed to body movement)

[@gloriabullock3173]

Also can we talk about the pressure put on poor Antonio? Being the youngest he also was forced to carry Mirabel's trauma until his door appeared. He was already terrified of being "useless" at just 5. The miracle was riding on him getting a gift in his mind, I believe. It makes him asking for help more heartbreaking. Before Mirabel, not getting a gift wasn't an option, so for Antonio, it became another crushing expectation. Another very early foreshadowing of how the entire family is feeling

[@criticalsurria6773]

For we must all appear before “the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.” (2 Corinthians 5:10) We will be judged for every deed we do whether is be good or bad. This isn’t something to worry about even if our bad deeds out weigh our good. Because none are good before God, all have sinned against Him and cursed His name, but He in His tender loving mercy hath given us His Son as our ransom. When Jesus was dying all of Gods wrath and judgement was poured out onto Him even though He was sinless. He was sacrificed and tortured on our behalf though we are sinful and carnal. Christ payed our sin debt with His perfect sinless blood so we may escape judgment and have everlasting life. But this great gift is only for those who accept it and accept Him ❤️

[@GReyn]

And don't forget the ending, Mirabel was escorted by Antonio.. awhhh..

[@arthurpietrogarcia1057]

@@criticalsurria6773 Dude go preach in a religious video this video is about bad dragon and good magic house.

[@fruit4evr]

If I was in Raya’s shoes, at the end of the movie I would’ve been like “great thanks for saving the world, please don’t ever contact me or talk to me again”

[@Prime_Ramzi]

😂

[@chadmaster4liv384]

🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@bananarama1425]

And the fact that people ship her with Nammarti.

[@aaminagreen9495]

@@bananarama1425 This! I don’t understand why people think Raya should show any interest in a person who tricked them into destroying the world!

[@nightmarefanatic1819]

@@bananarama1425 "But they call each other Dep La and act flirty!!1! That is proof they really wanna rub clams!" Which is another thing that boils my piss. If we compared what Namaari did to something in the real world, she pretty much betrayed Raya's trust to help other people rob her house and get her dad put into a coma he may never awake from. For 6 years, as Raya does whatever she can to help her dad get treated and possibly recovered, Namaari constantly pops in to act like a total shit to her after she destroyed Raya's life. Would this be someone that, realistically, Raya would constantly call "beautiful" and snarkily trade barbs with? No! Any actual person would react with unadulterated rage. No snark, no barbs, so sarcasm, just "Fuck off before I kill you." It's like Disney had Raya act in such an unrealistic manner to encourage the Femslashers because then they don't need to actually have teh gay in it, and in doing so makes her act in a way no real person in their right mind would.

[@iwantapool7945]

Abuela admitting she was at fault and that Mirabel isn’t the issue in terms of the families toxicity was an amazing and beautiful moment that made even me cry and it takes a lot for a scene to make me cry unless something really feels genuine. Raya however angered me as no one admitted that they were the problem and almost made Raya seem like she was the problem for either trusting too much or too little. Even a simple scene with Namaari sitting and apologizing to Raya like the river scene in Encanto would have redeemed the horribly written and rushed ending of this movie.

[@byakuyatogami5976]

I agree with everything you said, the ONLY issue I have with Encanto is that I think Bruno should've also had a moment where he got to vent to Alma like Mirabel did and to his other family members as well. I think his story line was concluded a bit too easily. He was hated by his family for so long and talked negatively about for so long that he even created characters out of inanimate objects and mainly got happiness from them more than his own family. So, while I do love the movie, I do think they rushed his angry to forgiveness arc a bit too fast.

[@matthewa.whiting719]

It's important to understand WHY Alma put so much pressure on her family. She witnessed the worst in humanity, and obviously would have a hard time trusting people after that. Her children were born different--and from her past, she learned that people kill what is different from them. So, having her children tirelessly serve everyone is really a defense mechanism. "If everyone sees my children's differences as a blessing to the community, then the community will not fear them or kill them." And for all we know, she may have been right (at first). The issue arises when after time is given, she doesn't reflect upon this line of thinking, she allows it to continue unchallenged, because she is afraid of another massacre happening.

[@snowfairy8350]

Yeah, she could have gone the complete opposite way and used their powers to scare the town into submission. Maybe at first she wanted to help the town, but when the triplets got their gifts she became power-hungry. She would make the town see her family as gods who could be merciful or vengeful based on how the town treated them. Pepa could bring them good weather for crops or hurricanes and droughts if they “misbehaved”. Julieta could heal anyone or withdraw that privilege if they weren’t as “loving” of the family as they could be. Bruno could “cause” bad things to happen or find out if anyone would try to stage a coup. Luisa could help anyone who supported the family or crush anyone that went against it. Isabela could make food grow or poison people with her flowers. Dolores would hear everything they said, forcing them to choose their words carefully or else the Madrigals would know. Camilo could disguise himself as anyone and monitor the towns people to make sure they weren’t writing stuff so Dolores couldn’t hear. Antonio could use his animals to help the people or hurt them. Mirabel, having no gift, would either be protected by the family so the townspeople wouldn’t use her as a bargaining chip, or further ostracized for doing nothing to keep the town under control.

[@janaekelis]

i feel like the context and time period behind why they were pushed out of their home is so unique to Colombians and adds an extra layer to alma

[@rhinaeflores4165]

Ikr, I hate my cousins because they hate Alma and they can't tell me any reason beside "because she was mean to Mirabel"

[@dragonfell5078]

@@snowfairy8350 This is a great way that things coulda gone dark

[@stableleaf5767]

@@snowfairy8350 I definitely want to read this fanfic AU

[@luluzin5022]

Movie: Trust is always the correct solution :) Audiences: But Raya trusted Namari at one point... And it plunged the world into ru- Movie: TRUST 👏 IS ALWAYS 👏 THE CORRECT 👏 SOLUTION

[@ShootingStarStudio]

It's been said a lot but I love how Nerdrotic phrased it: You can communicate any message as long as you prioritize storytelling, but you can't get good storytelling when you prioritize the message.

[@berrytofu9559]

and the fact that Alma is not wearing her black shawl anymore after the *"Dos Oruguitas"* scene and after she and Mirabel willingly took accountability and apologized to each other is literally my favorite detail of the movie because finally she's free of the trauma and the pressure she puts herself under and that she finally acknowledged that no gift is greater than the gift of having a loving and supportive family that will help you, accept you, and help you change and be the best version of yourself. --fuck why did I cry writing this--

[@jillian6121]

ive watched analysis upon analysis video, watched the movie countless times, talked about it with others so much, and i STILL didn’t notice that! literally you can notice new details even months after first watching with subsequent rewatches, and that fact alone is incredible.

[@herrnarr3577]

I cried reading ur comment pal, tnx😢🙂

[@miniespeon158]

Yeah, my family is pretty fucked as well, so even just watching the video made me get all choked up. Im scared to watch the movie cuz i feel like ill be ugly crying at the end lol

[@marianamora4203]

That is some real ass shit and it cuts deep.

[@meogatopreto]

Do you wanna cry even more? :D during the flashback, the chorus of the song is always "ay oruguitas" (oh caterpillars) but when she removes the black shawl, the lyrics change to "ay mariposas" (oh butterflys) signaling their relationship rebirth and that they both have grown into more beautiful and mature versions of themselves.

[@LordLucario12]

Having watched both of these basically back to back recently, I couldn't help but think Encanto succeeded so hard in every place Raya failed to the point where it seemed like the film makers looked at Raya and went "What if we took that and did the exact opposite?" So needless to say I'm excited to see what you have to say...and also tear Raya a new one

[@InvestmentIdea]

*kzbin.info/www/bejne/h2i4hIaqi6aGlbM* *Finally its Here*

[@edizgunes]

These two movies weren't made by exact same people

[@RevyaAeinsett]

@@edizgunes And? People can't learn from the mistakes of others?

[@donkeykong3628]

Both movies were released in the same year, so I don't think that happened?

[@LordLucario12]

@@donkeykong3628 Yeah I know it didn't literally happen, but it felt like it to me.

[@hariman7727]

The sad things about Encanto is that many families who have such a crisis with an overbearing grandmother (either narcissistic or traumatized into abusiveness) DON'T get a happy reconciliation montage, and instead just slowly drift apart... especially after the grandmother is gone. Without being trapped in the Encanto, most families like this bleed members off and split over the years. Ask me how I know.

[@Riptor25]

Namari was the worst gaslighting character who wasn't an evil stepmother and they had the gall to make her teach Raya a lesson in trusting people?? That blew my miiiiind

[@betterchapter]

mirabel’s gift being bringing her family to reality was such a great peaceful resolution, but i really wish we saw what kind of room casita built for her! after all that work repairing generational trauma she deserves all the sewing machines and skeins of yarn she wants.

[@moonlightlupin5677]

Apparently the people working on the movie wanted a scene at the end of the movie where mirabel gets her own room at the end of the movie, it's a shame that it didn't get added in the movie

[@bonomael7902]

Mirabel 's gift is chronical depression

[@dr.braxygilkeycruises1460]

*Mirabel's room would most likely continue being the nursery.* You have to think of it like this: Abuela Alma lost her way. The Casita knew there had to be a new keeper of the magic, which is why Mirabel at age five touched the door knob and it disappeared. *That Wasn't Her Door. HER door would be the one leading into the NEW Casita* after the fouled foundation (Alma's attitude) had been broken and rebuilt. *Mirabel would be the new foundation because she loves each member of the family individually; she SEES each member for who they are. This means, the nursery, which is the foundational learning center of the family, would most likely remain her room since THAT is her gift and purpose.* She would stay there until she gets married.

[@internetlurker1850]

Tbh I don't think Mirabel getting a gift would hit right, y'know? Because the point of her not having a gift is an allegory for kids that aren't gifted and are disliked by their parents for it, and end up doubting themselves, she being important without having a gift, to me, is more satisfactory then her just getting a gift.

[@blu3_sue]

My headcanon is that mirabel will help any other kids in the nursery until she inherits abuelas room

[@lpswerido688]

Alma is a character that is the combination of everything that the younger Latino community hates about their older relatives and everything they wish they could have. We all wish that our parents or grandparents can face their trama and realize how it's hurt their children but few actually do. A few friends have even told me that their parents or grandparents hate Encanto because 'The ending was dumb' or 'They made the Abuela the villian'. The message went right over their heads

[@catmatt]

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[@catmatt]

@Person 1 ñn't

[@guidobardi1992]

@@catmatt en efecto

[@NayvieNoir]

That was the least realistic part of the movie for me (yes including the magic). My family is Jamaican and my grandma went to her grave being lauded by everyone as a saintly matriarch. Meanwhile I still have nightmares about her.

[@catmatt]

@@NayvieNoir ñ?

[@ohitsrusher842]

There is no better idea or more responsible than the message telling children to put complete and full trust in complete strangers

[@jeffreygao3956]

Or alternatively investing too much trust in another country and just hoping they won't invade your country.

[@silverwolf2676]

Raya's script sounds like a massive gaslighting for it's titular character. Raya: I've been hurt by trusting people. Shizu and script writer: You're confused, you just need to trust people more.

[@captainbirch2.079]

Yeah honestly sounds like an abusive relationship

[@seraphinitee]

Alma's cry in the very first scene showing the origins of the miracle vs her cry when showing her full, raw trauma in Dos Oruguitas is so heart wrenching to me. It's such a small detail, but the fact the cry is drawn prettier and gentler at the beginning shows the more flowery version of the tale, while the final scene, Alma is fulling embracing that trauma

[@dry-leaves]

Yes! Literally! Everytime I watch that raw, soundless scream, I wanted to bawl my eyes out too

[@MeBeCreepy]

Ohmygod that’s what had me sobbing!

[@RPGLover87]

Also it recontextualises the miracle slightly - before it was "protecting the family by giving them a house", in the final version it's like "protecting the village by blowing the hell out of the bandits and encasing Alma in an entire valley." It's a much more aggressive thing, almost like something from Akira with the trauma basically blowing up the causes of the trauma.

[@ahstiasummers5583]

I also realize that as the mountains formed, she watched them block her from the river she watched her husband die in. Maybe symbolic of how Alma tried to suppress and forget the pain of her trauma? Only after the mountains broke was Alma able to revisit the river and mourn her loss rather than suppress it

[@asterash3389]

One simple way to fix the big problem with Raya’s message: Raya’s dad’s first get together with the other tribes actually goes really well, and Raya and Namari become best friends. Flash forward a couple of years or so, and Namari is staying at Raya’s place when a bunch of bandits come in to try to steal the gem. Namari, who is in the right area at the right time, catches them in the act and goes to put the gem back, when Raya (who’d been alerted to the fact that there were thieves in the area after the gem) sees Namari holding the gem and assumes the worst. She attacks Namari, they get into a fight and the gem breaks. That way-Raya really did ruin the world due to lack of trust, and Namari actually has a good reason to hate her, since Raya was the one who ruined things due to not trusting her.

[@YINSED5192]

That also would have made Raya realizing that it IS okay to trust feel a lot more authentic. She really wasn't given that much of a choice in the climax.

[@mushroom2597]

you absolute genius

[@Mehhhhhhhh]

Satan works hard but anonymous KZbin commenters fixing bad writing that multiple paid Hollywood writers couldn't, work harder.

[@z6lda]

When a random youtube commenter writes better than the actual writers

[@jazzcl7]

powerful

[@jessieBird96]

When Namari tried to say that Raya was just as to blame for Sisu's death and the film language backed her up, I actually rage quit the movie for like 2 weeks because I could not even and I barely made it through the rest. I could not and still can't believe that Disney would put out a movie that was basically 'victim blaming 101'. I cannot stand this movie, or it's ridiculously irresponsible message. 😡😫

[@TheRealNTM]

"Movies aren't fun when they're shaking you and screaming 'DO YOU GET IT? DO YOU GET THE MESSAGE?' over and over again!" This.

[@DanGamingFan2846]

Alma is like Joy from Inside Out: a controlling, self-centered, antagonistic person for the majority of the movie, who realizes her mistake in the 3rd act and puts genuine effort into redeeming herself. And I love that!

[@noobmasterruben5167]

So true. The scene where Joy cries in the abyss and seeing the memoty was integral for her character to see the flaws of her ideology

[@Lilybelle-vr3ho]

you are so right!

[@clariphone.8434]

So true! She has good intentions but does it in the worst way

[@DanGamingFan2846]

@PizzaTime In a way, she was. Only instead of generational trauma, Joy's problem was toxic positivity.

[@Maknaru2]

La diferencia es que alegria es una emocion pura, sus instintos son los que son con respecto al comportamiento. Inside out habla de inteligencia emocional pura a través de una meta-historia. Son eso, emociones puras. Y su tendencia es la que tienen naturalmente. Obviamente alegría quiere hacer sentir a Riley feliz, porque es el mejor estado emocional plausible para un ser humano. Pero presionar felicidad cuando no estas bien y negarte a explorar tu estado anímico, negándolo, es toxico. Por eso inside out es espectacularmente inteligente. Alegría no es antagonista, es la propia Riley por no conocerse emocionalmente aún por ser una niña. Y es que Riley nunca había estado expuesta a una situación emocional que la pusiera tan al limite, como para aceptar a tristeza, no como un momento puntual, sino como un estado mental mas alargado por sus circunstancias. Y aceptar que eso esta bien. Porque de la pena y melancolía se puede aprender. como bien dice raffiki en el rey leon. Alma/Abuela, es una persona con total función de sus emociones, tener un trauma no te excusa de dañar a la gente. Al final se arrepiente, y eso esta bien, y es bonito. Pero es una mujer adulta y sus decisiones las toma ella con total visión de sus emociones y las de otros. Entiendo tu comparativa, pero en inside out no es tanto el viaje de alegría, sino el del desarrollo de la inteligencia emocional de Riley, e incluso de tristeza como una emoción cada vez mas madura. En encanto si veo una figura antagonista. A mi parecer of course

[@lbchoc4]

The discussion about trust in Raya made me think of Tangled- Rapunzel starts out thinking the whole world is evil and scary, and comes to learn that people are kinder and more helpful than she initially thought, and that Gothel was really the one she should have been questioning. She doesn't just blindly trust everyone, though, since she knows the royal guards and those brothers are trying to capture Flynn. She learns to trust the people who care about her and stand up to the people who don't. So you can add Tangled to the list of Disney movies that have a better, more nuanced message about trust.

[@Lady_ETHNE]

Tangled partially raised me. I love that movie

[@Monie71793]

💯🥰

[@ezelfrancisco1349]

I think even the TV show made that point better than Raya

[@Saga_Anserum]

hell yeah say it louder for the people who forgot (like me)

[@dairycream5]

I love encanto, but it's so relateable to our family that it's almost too hard to watch now. My mom is pretty much exactly like Luisa, and her relationship with my grandmother was very much like the relationship between Mirabel and Alma. Their fight at the end that breaks the house sums them up pretty well. Unfortunately, my Grandmother died yesterday on christmas eve. We found out because my aunt made a facebook post about it. They never got to have the reconciliation that mirabel and alma had because nobody cared enough to tell my mom that her mother was in hospice, or to tell her when she died. Not even my mom's identical twin sister reached out. My mom is completely broken, and she feels so alone. When I watched Encanto with her last year, she cried durring Surface Pressure and the final argument because it described her and her mother exactly. I wish my mom could have had a happy ending like encanto. Not every estranged family has a Mirabel to bring them back together, and that's really hard to come to terms with.

[@ayyymacaroni]

i am so sorry that happened. please send your mother a hug from me

[@katharineball585]

Give her a hug from me too

[@geminiokra]

Dude I cried at your comment. I know its been awhile, but I wish the best to all of you.

[@misguided_fire8474]

Raya would’ve been better as a series. It would have allowed for more time to be spent in each new location and the characters to have actual character development. That way it would have made more sense in the finally when they all trust each other. Instead we got THAT

[@1987MartinT]

The movie is trying to say that Raya is at fault for thinking that Namaari is an enemy. I'd like to counter that by stating the following: Namaari has literally never been anything to Raya other than an enemy. So Raya is well within her right to suspect Namaari's intentions. That's not prejudice! That's pattern recognition!

[@OReily08080]

Yeah, her distrust was completely valid, and it pissed me off that they made it out to be that Raya was in the wrong. How is it a good message to build up trust by fully trusting complete strangers

[@squidwardshouse830]

@@OReily08080 The opposite of stranger danger

[@OReily08080]

@@squidwardshouse830 exactly

[@MeganAllen1738]

Good point. Prejudice would've been her being suspicious of everyone from another tribe, or specifically Namaari's tribe.

[@ShinyShilla]

I also hate how they also blamed on Raya that Namaari shot the dragon. Who in the friggin fisrt place took out the crossbow? Not Raya

[@PandaorasBox]

I think what makes Abuela's apology so great, is that throughout the movie she's been proud and firm. She's so sure of her ways that she's blinded by it. But in the end, despite being so proud, she admits that her way was wrong. Mirabel helped her open her eyes. There's a joke that "the only thing unrealistic about this movie is that abuela admitted that she was wrong" which is funny, I guess. But the fact that she could apologize, despite everything, is something to live up to. It's also a good lesson. Not that apologizing makes everything better, but that even if you're deep into a lifestyle it's important to admit when you're wrong.

[@rocky4264]

Rewatched Encanto for the 3rd time last week, and it struck me how Abuela Alma realizing her faults and apologizing and healing the family is so rare in real life that it really is like a second miracle.

[@lilac3266]

adding on to this! the first line of the movie is “open your eyes” in spanish which is spoken by abuela. “Mira” means to see. “open your eyes” is also the last line said by alma to mirabel and in waiting on a miracle mirabel keeps repeating “open your eyes” while looking at abuela. a really cool motif of how this movie is about perspective

[@aestheticallynotexisting9871]

Pqp

[@acearohippo]

Often, in movies aimed for children, the message at the end is a solution children can understand and use themselves. But generational trauma/parental toxicity, is not something children can or should feel is something they can "fix". So, instead, the "solution" to be taken away is that the toxic person has to realise how damaging they are and take the steps to fix themselves. This Disney movie might be one of the few times that the final "moral lesson" of the movie is actually aimed at the adults who take their kids to see this, who might not be aware that they are damaging their relationships with unresolved trauma.

[@RoseyVamp]

I’ve said this once and I’ll say it again. ALMA IS AN EXAMPLE! Her apology might not be comparable to people’s real life situations but she’s meant to serve as an example for how to move past generational trauma and change the way people treat their family to live better lives together and not end up shutting each other out and ruining relationships forever

[@Kenan_soffera]

My favorite part of Encanto aside from the amazing storytelling, is when they all use their powers to try to get to the candle. It’s pretty cool to see what they could do.

[@heymagicalday]

Yeees! I don’t hate Raya, but the ending of the movie is really hard for me to overlook. To me it felt like an emotionally manipulative person blaming the person that keeps trusting them. It’s definitely weird.

[@autumnstormsablowin]

raya’s message: ah yes, even if a person emotionally abuses, betrays, stalks, harasses, and manipulates you into destroying the world and breaks your trust several times, you should continue trusting them. It is a horrific message that should not be shown to kids.

[@jeffreygao3956]

The Banner of the Mouse just wants a monopoly on child's love. I will ensure they have no such monopoly.

[@jeffreygao3956]

@Spider-Venom The Senate will decide your fate.

[@joeyjerry1586]

@@jeffreygao3956, I am the Senate

[@jeffreygao3956]

Not yet!

[@ChocolateM1lk]

EXACTLY, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING

[@braydenkatcher]

The face on Alma when Pedro is killed is absolutely soulcrushing. She looks like what someone would have on their face when it happens in real life. It was incredible.

[@RinLockhart]

It's so odd how doing the bare minimun (adding expressions on female characters) is seen as a leap on Disney. Then I remembered the interview of one of Frozen's animators saying how "hard it is to animated a female character."

[@exilemorin04]

@@RinLockhart I dont see anybody call it a leap on disney's part , this comment is just giving credit to the animators for animating a real believable facial expression

[@bigpapamagoo8696]

I remember that scene because of how gut wrenching it was. I couldn’t believe how powerful it felt.

[@GingerWizzard1994]

@@RinLockhart animation student here. Also cis female. It isn't animating a woman that's hard, it's designing them, and it's a big fact unfortunately. Men and women in animation, no matter how fat or skinny or thicc or swole, all follow their gender's body shape (different from shape language). Notice how Luisa, despite being swole, still has a female body shape. If you deviate you lose the image. It's an animation staple and it's industry wide.

[@harveydalmacio6821]

Also, someone pointed out that in the opening when Abuela Alma was telling the story of how she lost Pedro, she was not as emotional as she was portrayed in the latter part of the movie. It is a way of showing that she admits that she has trauma and not hiding or downplaying it.

[@jakeheathcock7544]

The fact that you shouted people actually involved in the culture of the films instead of delving into it yourself is why you’re the GOAT dude, so cool of you. Great work man.

[@gobbox7442]

Imagine if in Encanto Mirabel and Alma just went “You should stop being toxic” “Ok” “Cool, I’m gonna not help at all and blindly trust that you’ll completely fix the entire family”

[@sushiroll3795]

It always frustrated me to an insane degree how Sisu constantly gets her and Raya in danger due to her ridiculous nativity, then CONTINUES to lecture her about the importance of trusting people even after LITERALLY DYING because she got shot by someone who betrayed her.

[@michaelstrong5383]

I saw Sisu as Disney trying to make her like what Robin Williams' Genie was to Aladdin. The only difference is that the Genie has tons of great jokes and is the heart of the film, while Sisu is a poorly written character.

[@Elvusmiw]

Did you know during making Raya, the original director's were replaced. I wonder if that's why there's so many issues

[@hastiborhani3492]

@@Elvusmiw reminds me when brave's director was replaced

[@sophiawilliams4810]

@@hastiborhani3492 That was mostly due to “muh wemen don’t know film muh”

[@Elvusmiw]

@@hastiborhani3492 really?

[@garcello4591]

It’s important to see WHY Abuela Alma was so hard on her family. We don’t get to understand why Namaari took the gem.

[@Juel13]

They didn't make plain enough the pressure she had from her mother and her tribe. It was there, but not really expanded upon.

[@garcello4591]

@@Juel13 If this point was expanded on more and given more screen time, maybe Raya and the dragon would have been a better movie.

[@trevorsgamingroom5284]

Mainly because, “oo gem look cool, i want it mine now >:(!”

[@garcello4591]

@@trevorsgamingroom5284 This comment points out how little effort the creators of Raya and the dragon were.

[@nabila6716]

Ikr I'm honestly surprised that more people seem to miss that whole bit of nuance in the story and just jump to painting abuela as the "villan" when the IS no villan. The whole movie is a representation of the immigrant family expirence and all of the dynamics that manifest from that. We litterally watched this woman get her home village destroyed by colonizers,then see those same colonizers kill her husband right in front of her leaving her alone with three newborns and a whole village of traumatized displaced surviors to take care of. Alma never had the luxury of thinking about what she wanted, her mindset was that of survival,it's singled minded and doesn't leave room for emotion but that's why the her arc with mirabel is so powerful because that was probably the first time she had realized she could relax after being in fight mode for so long.

[@Jose04537]

Raya's writers are like that teacher who punishes and forces to apologize the victim to the bully for defending themselves. This is so unfair and infuriating.

[@cfuendev]

I never thought a review video could make me cry. lol I live in Colombia and, despite not being born here and always having this feeling that I experience the culture as a tourist and I'm trying to catch up with at least a decade of history classes, childhood experiences and pop culture that set me apart from the rest, I feel a huge and very strong connection to the movie. And it's simply so good. Characters, message, animation, character design, music, culture.. It's one of my favorite disney/pixar/whatever movies. I have come to the realization that I might be trans. Every week I come into terms with a part of myself that I feel will push me away from my family or will make them hate me if they found out. One day it was me liking using feminine avatars/skins in games, another day was buying sanrio products, then it was having long painted nails, then it was make up, then skirts.. My mom is sometimes so disturbed by things that I find unharmful like me not cutting my nails because I don't like to keep them short as men tipically do (But I do try to keep them round and pretty), and tends to make weird comments like "You've always been my handsome, MALE son which other moms have always complimented" when discussing gender and sexuality, almost like guilt-tripping me to fall into that expectation that others and she herself have on my gender. Sometimes she gets very erratic under situations I speculate are moments where she feels she lacks control. When I used to let my brother watch fnaf videos a few years ago, making sure he doesn't walk into any weird content other than silly convoluted theories/analysis and fan animations, she would start screaming at me when I wouldn't turn it off because she *knew* better than me and was not gonna negotiate her son watching some "brainrot" disturbing content, when he legitimately enjoyed it and euphorically talked to me about the theories he would come up with. We had a lot of fights like that, and it's to the point I fear she could kick me out of the house just by making it a habit to paint my nails, or to let my hair grow more than it is expected for me as a biological male because she'd feel such a lack of control and disappointment at that point that she wouldn't be able to think rationally. + She has a belief that I cannot challenge her views by protesting what she teaches my brother or the things he's shown, and that there are "Household" values that I shouldn't challenge, which simply sounds like a way to say "Be gay in this catholic household and you're out". Your breakdown of the ending scene where Alma hugs Mirabel made me tear up, and I'm still crying as I write this comment. Alma realizes she's breaking the family because she at some point stopped seeing them as family members but rather blessings at the service of the town, and now is heartbroken to see that her trauma and her wish to help others inspired by her dead lover's sacrifice spilled and spread all throughout the following generations. However, she wants to fix it, not only by easing up on the kids, but by accepting that Mirabel is just as valuable as anyone else in the family despite not being a superhuman that can help the town in the same way the other gifted characters can. She's a blessing because she is her grandkid, product of the cascading love of the Madrigales (The love between her and Pedro, the love for her kids, the love between her kids and their respective partners, and so on). Even if she isn't blessed with powers, she is a blessing, because Mirabel, and any of the children growing up inside the family are ultimately why she is a mother and grandmother. I am scared to come out or simply start doing the things that make me feel myself in front of my family and not in secret, because I'm not sure whether my mom would be as understanding as Alma eventually was. I have no idea what she has gone through other than a very catholic childhood, and to me it simply seems like my mom was always the "Do as you're told, don't question stuff" kid amongst her siblings, so she has the kind of personality that has very specific, strict values that she doesn't wanna change, which are mostly just "Follow the bible 1:1. If bible say gay bad, then gay bad". I don't know what it is, but she's breaking me by pushing me into this box of what I'm supposed to be and it hurts. It's beautiful to think that, all the times she hugs me and tells me I'm important, loved, handsome and a man of good, she's being honest and seeing past my appearance and those values I don't fulfill. It's nice to think she has that in her, to be able to not judge me for what I want to look like and only because of what I give to the family and to society. It's nice to dream of a day she hugs me like Alma did, and says that I'm a blessing, even if I don't look just like what she wanted me to, initially. Thanks for the breakdown of an amazing movie, and thanks for making me realize one of the reasons why it connects with me and why I love it so much.

[@liaminator4950]

Having read this, aw man i hope you're doing ok :( sending hugs to you💖💖

[@TheChaosDragoness]

Hang in there, friend. I hope you manage to find a way out and can live your life the way you want to. I had something similar with my own mother, she was pretty emotionally abusive to me most to all of my life, trying to fit me into a box I never felt like I belonged in. She would always force me to be super feminine as a little kid when I always showed I was a tomboy (I didn't realize at the time I was nonbinary/gender non-conforming) and it wasn't until my father practically fought with her to let me live my life the way I wanted to in terms of choosing my appearance. Even then she still tried to push her way in by forcing things like skirts and blouses on me when all I wanted to do was wear baggy oversized t-shirts and jeans with my favorite high tops. When I was 19 she found out I wasn't straight when she invaded my privacy one day and found through a journal I kept that I had a girlfriend at the time. She had an absolute blowout argument with me when she found out and if it wasn't for my dad stepping in to take my side in it I'm afraid of where I would be. (and it really says something when your blue-collar redneck father is more accepting of you than a mother that says she has so many gay friends. It's all fun and games for inclusion points until you find out it's in your own family, huh?) I've had little contact with her since 2020 when I had to leave home and went to live with my now fiance several states away, then last year I dropped all contact with her after my father unalived himself after discovering she had cheated on him and said she was leaving him. I still feel so guilty I couldn't be there for him, I still wonder if I was able to keep in contact with him in some way under her nose if I could have saved his life. I still haven't come out to her as demigirl/nonbinar,y and at this point...I'm out to live life for my own self. I have my fiance and a new loving, accepting family with my future in-laws. I live comfortably with my baggy clothes and have even begun adding men's clothes into my wardrobe to wear because of the comfort and the happiness I feel wearing them. I'm also aiming to go back to school, maybe break into the art scene in some form. I just want to live my life and show that she has no power over me anymore. It's my life, and she has no say in anything I do. Again, I really hope you can make it out of there. Sending lots of love to you as someone who's been in the same boat as you. You deserve to live your life the way you want to, just like everyone else has the right to.

[@TheAdvertisement]

I really like the subversion of Mirabel being prepared to leave, packing up a purse to go out to save the Miracle... before she realizes she has no idea how to do that, and the movie ends up actually mostly staying in the same location. It sets itself up to be a huge journey before we realize with Mirabel that the problem lies solely at home.

[@danielleritman6721]

great point

[@troodon1096]

Really? Because I thought that was the worst aspect of the movie; the fact it didn't really go anywhere, both literally and figuratively.

[@danielleritman6721]

Troodon it's better as a metaphor. yeah when i first watched it i rolled my eyes a little bit but the way this commenter kind of perfectly summed up the metaphor of being prepared to find the issue within family and realizing that it's internal and an internal journey

[@TheAdvertisement]

@@troodon1096 I thought it was a very creative idea for a Disney movie to take a step back and focus on Mirabel's home, both literally and figuratively. It still kept a rapidly changing mood and the environment still kept us on our toes, I'm not sure what you're on about.

[@Monie71793]

@@troodon1096 It's not supposed to be some epic adventure outside.

[@Vaprous]

The biggest problem with Raya is the Raya is the protagonist instead of Namari. Imagine how much better the story would have been as a story about a villain trying to earn their redemption; rather than a generic story about a hero trying to fix the world. That's the biggest problem: and I theorize its a *Disney* problem even; my theory is by trying to make the story message fit Raya as a character, it spoiled the whole story, but they had to, because Disney movies never have villain protagonists as far as I remember.

[@charmainezara]

but that’s just a problem! a disney problem!

[@pauljohnston4633]

It would have been better.... But here's the problem with that. Disney normally prefers their "animated" women to be Protagonists that sells.

[@marcuschristofferpaghmarti9623]

I don't think Namaari can carry a movie, she wasn't a likable villain

[@theonegoldengryphon]

We are talking about the same company who made fucking Artemis Fowl a Good Boy(tm) protagonist

[@Vaprous]

@@theonegoldengryphon Oh right... they made Artemis Fowl: the movie. Yeah, that explains it.

[@JohnnyBGoode-jm4qp]

28:51 “She [Abuela Alma Madrigal] gives a full, honest apology and admits that everything is broken because of her. Which is something a SPINELESS, SNIVELLING COWARD LIKE NAMAARI could never do.” BEAUTIFUL. You perfectly captured exactly what I (and certainly many other viewers) think of Namaari. This video of yours carefully covers each area that demonstrates why Namaari never earnt our heroes´ forgiveness and trust. Contrastingly, if you look at the _Raya_ _And_ _The_ _Last_ _Dragon_ entry on TV Tropes, some writers victimblame Princess Raya.

[@Neonlit.]

I went into Encanto with a negative mindset, ngl... but watching it all, I really did enjoy it and relate HEAVILY to it. I live in a toxic household, myself... with people tending to do things like let mistakes define who you are and what treatment you get stuck with for a while. There was a lot in that movie that had me connecting the dots, it's a bonus it really fit with the heritage being shared here, too. It's a surprisingly deep movie and I'm pretty grateful for the message and insight it shared. Genuinely? It's kind of helped me collect my thoughts more coherently for potential future therapy sit-downs that need to be had with family about that kind of behavior.

[@upliftothers4599]

Yea, I feel the same. Remember that self care is super important after therapy, as it usually stirs up alot of feelings and alot of trauma. You can always do less when you are coping with more. Also, stay hydrated

[@UncleFlutus]

Oh boy. Raya got an Oscar nomination. It surely can’t ONLY be because it’s a Disney movie and if it were any other studio it wouldn’t of gotten any attention. Not at all.

[@kelsorangejoe3458]

if it wins im gonna rage

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

The Oscars lost me when they nominated Shark Tale instead of Spongebob the movie

[@pjdixon6199]

@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375, or when big hero 6 got nominated over The Lego Movie

[@erickmartinez5631]

At least Mitchells vs Machines is nominated

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

@@pjdixon6199 Big Hero 6 was fun but Lego Movie was hilarious and even if that was the case then HTTYD 2 should have won over Big Hero 6

[@Omahdon]

Forget superhero movies or one-man army action flicks: being able to reconcile with one's parental figures and extract a modicum of understanding and apology is MY power fantasy and Encanto delivered it in SPADES

[@Call-me-Al]

Yeah, Encanto is so wonderfully unrealistic. It's definitely one of my most favorite movies ever. To see generational trauma so completely solved.

[@karsun8733]

Encanto was to simplified for my liking. The Abuela has abused members of this family for generations, so much so that her own son faked his death to get away from her. When Maribel finally calls out the Abuela she gets an apology that lasts all of 2 minutes. The worst thing about it for me was that there were no consequences for anybody in the family. Everybody gets their gift back and Maribel is still stuck without one. It would have been much better if everyone had lost their gift but they were okay with that because they had their family and thats all that mattered. Instead nobody suffers any consequences and Mirabel is still excluded from the family cus shes the only one without a gift.

[@aeircrown7994]

@@karsun8733 bro, this is Latino culture, the fact the abuela, an older generation apologise is the only unrealistic thing this movie wonderfully made of, and taking away the gift of madrigal remove the core message that you don't need a gift to be special.

[@amanofnoreputation2164]

"...reconcile with one's paternal figures." This is what the entire world needs right now: to reconcile with the collective paternal figures.

[@Call-me-Al]

@@amanofnoreputation2164 True reconciliation happens on all ends, not just the ones who were wronged. If those who perpetuated it refuse to take responsibility for their actions, then there can be no reconciliation because they refuse to be part of it.

[@ravensoott]

"A gift as special as you" is an underrated powerful line when you consider Mirabel not getting one

[@cinimini4854]

I only recently watched Encanto, and it quickly became one of my favorite movies all around. And one crucial aspect of the movie is how I feel not just Almas grandchildren suffering from the pressure, but how she herself is too, believing that she needs to do everything in her power to earn the miracle. That's why even after that crushing argument with Mirabelle I don't and can't hate her. The weight of expectations, even when they are false, can be depressing.

[@simplysnazzy7445]

I feel like people don’t talk enough about Pepa’s struggles in their videos. Every scene that Pepa is in, people are telling her to bottle her emotions so they don’t inconvenience others (even Pepa herself, with her “clear skies” incantation). It made me so happy to see Pepa embracing her emotions and dancing in the snow(?) with her husband. I love that Bruno was the one to tell her it’s okay to let herself feel what she’s feeling. It’s such a subtle thing but still a powerful message! Just like the struggle of Luisa, Isabela, and Bruno.

[@inaciobarbosa4478]

That was hail btw, not snow

[@esl4287]

I also wonder how her ability is made "helpful" to the community, since Alma constantly worries about that. Like, if the town needs rain do they purposefully manipulate her emotions? Because that seems like a pretty awful thing to do.

[@crumblemuffin1257]

@@esl4287 yes and no,Pepa's emotions can yes cause climate changes,but it's also shown that she can also control which type of weather it can come up. In addition to that,she _controls weather_ . She can make sunny days for the crops or water them all at once with rain and a bunch of other things that would be necessary a climate change to speed up the process if not to make it happen

[@esl4287]

@@crumblemuffin1257 Oh, I understand how a weather controlling power, regardless of mechanics, could be incredibly useful. But according to "Welcome to the Family Madrigal", it's explicitly stated that her *mood* affects the weather. I know this can be the whole area, not just her little cloud. But if it's her mood that triggers her powers, it seems like there must be active efforts to manipulate how she feels, both positively and negatively, for her to be able to meet Alma's criteria for contribution.

[@crumblemuffin1257]

@@esl4287 that's exactly why I said "yes and no",because while she yes has control over her powers,her emotions can also affect it,much like how's shown in "We don't talk about Bruno". Because all it needed was just one misunderstanding of what Bruno had said that resulted in her marrying in a literal damn hurricane In addition to that,it's shown that Abuela keeps doing it time and again reminding Pepa to "bottle up" her emotions by remembering her that she has a cloud to the point Pepa has to repeatedly calm herself down with saying "clear skies" over and over again.