Raya vs. Encanto - How One Message Failed and Another Succeeded

[@lapizlapoppy]

What Encanto did properly is how Mirabel didn't say "I forgive you" after Alma's apology. She says that "nothing could ever be broken that we cannot fix" which is beautiful because it means she doesn't instantly forgive Alma, however she will work towards full forgiveness while also fixing the broken relationship the family has.

[@xxohanzeexx]

Finally it's in words! Its such an underrated line and i think people brushing over it is what makes people think Alma got off to easy. She wasn't forgiven, she was given the chance to be forgiven and she took it and by the end of the film after who knows how long while the house was being rebuilt, she was cuz she put in the work.

[@RosaDFreeman]

yeah, most of the time i watch disney movie i predict like 90% of the script because they're so like, unoriginal you could say. i predicted bruno being a good guy because of how late he was shown and how everyone talked about him (in a bad way)

[@SuperCaders]

Ten years of neglect, emotional abuse, isolation and being cast aside like you're an obstacle. It's gonna take a WHOLE lot more than just a hug and a simple "I'm sorry" to fix that.

[@debymello4756]

@@SuperCaders true, but there's also that "all of you" likely takes place through sevaral months. Unless everyone became robots only rebuilding Casita and sometimes singing for a few seconds they likely had time to communicate and show change. One can argue even "sevaral months" is too soon, and I won't argue just saying that it wasn't fixed with just a hug and an apology, that was just the start

[@ClaudetteVioletta]

And that's why ''All of you" matters

[@sircashmoney]

Mirabel's Dad response of "I was thinking of my daughter" is such a G move

[@josiahtheawkward6008]

I can tell he was waiting to say that for YEARS

[@pokaay3163]

Antonio appreciation club!! He’s so underrated as a character compared to the rest of the cast, every time he’s on screen you can see what an empathetic and faithful person he is especially to Mirabel. Ed: whoops, Agustín* lol

[@michaelstrong5383]

Best father Disney made in quite a while.

[@Glimglum1]

@@michaelstrong5383 his probably as good as doctor Heinz doofensmrits

[@benjisaac]

in the same scene when Pepa yells that she’s trying her best and Felix goes “yes!” - the men are both such icons

[@Stradiwhovius963]

I'm so glad to see someone giving Raya the dragging it deserves tbh. "Sisu died because you didn't trust her" No she died because you fucking shot her. And even the intended message if you ignore how reductive it is fails because, like, Sisu has been demonstrably naive to the point of self endangerment several times already?

[@ARC--5973]

"No, she died cause you fucking shot her" Lord what I wouldn't give for that to have been an actual line in the film

[@jacindaellison3363]

I still like Raya and the Last Dragon, but that line is just as terrible as, in Elmo in Grouchland, Queen Trash telling Elmo he's like the villain b/c they both don't like to share! Thank goodness Daniel Tiger's Neighborhood had an episode where his dad assured him that he doesn't have to share everything, like his stuffed tiger Tigy.

[@QueenAvacado]

Yeah it really pissed me off, but I think what they could’ve done a lot better is instead of Sisu getting shot I feel like Raya should have been shot. That would have given Sisu ammunition to believe that you really can’t trust anyone and would force her character to stop being so goddamn stupid lol. And when I say Raya being shot I don’t mean she would die but probably very badly injured. Because obviously Disney wouldn’t want their main character to nearly die lol.

[@yairsanchez5708]

I didn’t get to finish the movie bc it was just so boring to me. Didn’t believe how well the ratings were on rotten tomatoes.

[@imperatorcaesardivifiliusa2158]

How the FECK does Raya have a higher score on rotten tomato than Encanto. They have the same IMDb score too! How did that happen, with one movie being so much better than the other

[@mightytoast2693]

Raya in a nutshell: "Don't be so hasty to judge children, maybe the creepy stranger really does have candy in his windowless van."

[@tylerpoirier3699]

I LOVE THIS! It describes the film so easily

[@Redfureyes]

My favorite movie no 🥲

[@bonedude666]

"The van has "Free Candy" written on the side, so there _must_ be free candy in there!"

[@gamercore5216]

bro we don't got time to break down the whole stranger danger situation and how it effected that generation

[@jeffreygao3956]

Better yet: "Don't be so hasty to declare war on the neighboring tyrannical dictatorship; They might just want peace."

[@michaelstrong5383]

What I love about Encanto is that the message is portrayed so casually and it's never hitting you over the head, unlike Raya, who repeats the lesson about trust so many times.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Me: Why does Raya and the last dragon have such a bad message Disney: THAT WAS MY MISTAKE

[@megatennepster3833]

What helps is that it feels like everybody has a different idea on what the message of Encanto is

[@lofi-lila]

What makes it even worse is that the message SUCKS. The moral is to forgive and trust people who have proven on numerous occasions they are untrustworthy. What a great message to preach to children 🙄

[@mariajimenafigueroa233]

Poor, dude. You make a nice comment and then bots come to ruined the replies

[@GabesEdtiz]

@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 this will never get old. Also Jesus Christ, why are all these comments full of bots 😂

[@Applemangh]

Another aspect that makes Alma's redemption feel valid is the fact that she seemed to honestly believe that she was doing right by everyone. She thought she was honoring her husband's sacrifice by using her family to take care of the whole town, and that she was doing what was best for all involved. She was completely wrong, of course, but she learned and acknowledged it.

[@kieranstark7213]

As for the half-baked redemption of 29:05-29:12, on the other hand…

[@manasviojha3940]

Not only that, but I think she had some survivor's guilt. You got lucky, right? Your husband died, you didn't. You should earn the miracle (read: a chance for survival) that saved you. Why wallow in what you lost when you were given so much? The town needs you - after what your husband did you should just straighten your back and help them. If you don't, if you prove yourself unworthy, who knows what will happen to your family? Except that's in no way a sustainable way to be, and it's shown in how much trauma spills into her family, despite her not wanting that. That was my thought watching the film

[@jbcatz5]

She’s got to find herself just as much as the other blood Madrials do. She can talk about her grief and sees more of a kindred spirit in Mirabel, as well as taking a back seat more than she could before knowing the family have earned the loyalty of the town ten times over.

[@sonoio869]

Well, honoring her family by giving to her son a horrible reputation to everyone else at the community

[@jbcatz5]

@@sonoio869 She’s misguided, holding the family to an image of perfection. Bruno and his vision couldn’t be reconciled with that, he already had a bit of a reputation anyway with Pepa, dead fish woman, gut man and bald guy for being held to blame for the prophecies. Mirabel doesn’t have a gift to use for the community’s benefit (she is shown to interact with the village though, she’s not a recluse) so she’s ignored by Alma, asked to stay out of the way while the others actually do things that are useful.

[@mauratyson9580]

Mirabel’s parents are the most underrated characters in the family. They’re the only ones that don’t treat her like less than a person because of her powers and actually acknowledge that others treat her that way.

[@Whatlander]

Plus Bruno, who was so scared for Mirabel that he became an actual hermit. And the end where he actually tries to confront his mother on his niece's behalf really got to me, even though it was played as a comedic scene.

[@catandrobbyflores]

I only have one tiny beef in regards to herr parents and that the talk momma had with mirabelle should have been her dad saying something along the lines of he loves her and values her as much as her magical sisters because as a non magical member of the family he doesn't see her as broken or a failure/disappoint. Or have both of them the magical and non magical parents have the discussion cementing the fact that they don't see her differently.

[@ShadowYetSleepy]

I thought Luisa also didn't treat her less like a person?

[@morganlewis9437]

Correct me if I'm wrong, and keep in mind I haven't watched the movie since December, but I don't remember any instances where any of the family members treated her badly. Sure none of them came to her defense but I remember only her parents seemed to be doing that. Alma was the only one treating her any different. Everyone else seemed to have overall positive or neutral interactions with her. Excluding Isabel as she was also antagonistic up until her change near the end of the film

[@RockyGems]

@@ShadowYetSleepy That's right, Luisa treats her the way any typical responsible older sibling would if their younger sibling came to them with a serious problem. She quickly opens up to Mirabel about her worries with very little convincing needed and points her in the right direction to investigate Bruno's prophecy.

[@mr.foxasmg]

my younger cousin got so confused about the message of trust in Raya and the Last dragon. Like she legit asked "But were supposed to not trust some people? What if they are bad?"

[@Idiot1114]

Raya: THEN SCREW YOU CHILD, TRUST THEM ANYWAY!

[@mr.foxasmg]

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[@Idiot1114]

@@mr.foxasmg I screwed up my own Non binary characters pronouns, I LITERALLY SUCK AT PRONOUNS SOMETIMES

[@mr.foxasmg]

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[@mr.foxasmg]

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[@fuumiku]

A detail I really really liked in Encanto is how Mirabel did get the candle when the house crumbled, but when the others rush back in when it’s safe, when her mother runs to her asking worriedly if she’s okay, checking her for injuries, she doesn’t even *think* to look for or ask about the candle

[@NakuruKouChannel]

i just watched it earlier today and i distinctively remember there was a voice telling her to "leave it"

[@nanjibaahmed8874]

I loved that so much, how in the end the entire family was telling Mirabel to leave cus above all they wanted her safe

[@_p_s]

@@NakuruKouChannel its there! julietta yells it out to her. mira’s parents consistently yell at her to “leave the candle” and that “the house is gonna fall” when she goes for the candle

[@randompromises1038]

mirabel was the only one who didn't hesitate to rush to grab the candle while casita had the others forced out for the sake of their safety and i think about that a LOT lmao

[@miskamooska4512]

Yeah and I would say that mirabelle's parents are honestly great parents. I'm glad that Mirabel's mom didn't adopt the same ideals from Alma, and her dad actually wanted to have Mirabel's back.

[@hainanegins9672]

Can we just talk about how Disney nailed that painful ugly cry perfectly from Alma after she lost her husband. Idk why it's so captivating, but its just, "mwah", chefs kiss!

[@alyssaagnew4147]

Yeah, there's no sound from her, but you can feel the pain and anguish she is experiencing just from watching her reaction.

[@CheerUp2]

Just watching her in so much pain gets me super emotional and I feel on the verge oof tears every time

[@ijornhribrudkrvir]

Yeah between Encanto and Arcane, 2021 animators rly just nailed realistic animated crying and damn is it good

[@fairybebbiesuwu366]

i cried so hard watching that part

[@ggt47]

Arcane did it first.

[@songbird6414]

Raya’s theme of trust is honestly hilarious considering the fact that most of the movie spends its time trying to hammer in the fact that some people can’t be trusted

[@TFoxhound]

And gaslight the protag of being in the wrong? Yeah love watching movies like that villains get redeemed for no reason and not even executing it right

[@LadyLeomon]

Exactly! Hell the only reason Raga’s nemesis (forgot her name) fixed the jewel was because she _had to to survive_ and not because she trusted Raya’s plan. Also, as much as I loved Sisu’s design, she was ... to be blunt a total idiot! It felt like everyone was victim-shaming Raya for not trusting when she’d already been stabbed in the back and lost her father and kingdom because of it! And that whole “you’re as much to blame for Sisu’s death as me” was total bs 😤😤😤

[@baiaku.]

@@LadyLeomon Facts. Victim blaming, Sisu being the equivalent of a 10 year old child that Raya has to take care through the movie, and if that movie teaches anything, it's that certain people CANNOT be trusted. "Forgiveness"? Yeah maybe, but NOT TRUST.

[@starlight-j956]

They were way too ambitious on that movie and could be fleshed out better if it was a series.

[@shardonayM]

@yes we will you

[@el1teskittlez]

Raya’s story is sadly how many people live, others denying abuse. My grandmother still denies to this day that my father ever abused me, and i felt so alone for a long time, but Encanto is incredible man.. beautifully animated, and Alma has an amazing redemption arc

[@ayyymacaroni]

I hope that your grandmother exposes your father and begins to take care of you the way she should've. I also hope that your father gets his bones rearranged in alphabetical order.

[@avengirl6479]

Dang, I am so sorry. Sending a lot of love to you

[@KnightEclipser]

Have you gotten any therapy?

[@cobbletarts]

I love Encanto's ending, but after reading some fanfictions, I wish they would explore more of Mirabel. I mean, she's 15 and is her family's therapist which isn't exactly healthy. However, the movie can only fit in so much within their time span so it's understandable if it isn't explored much. Thank goodness for fan stories for exploring that topic more without a limit.

[@placeholderdoe]

I really hope you’re doing well, your experiences are valid

[@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access]

What i like about Alma’s backstory is it does NOT excuse her But it *does* explain her

[@Oliviagarry69420]

It’s like Beatrice from Bojack

[@EndertheDragon0922]

Yes! People sometimes see backstories as “excuses.” Actually, that reminds me of something. It’s a bit personal but it’s really relevant to the themes of Encanto. I remember when I was a kid my mom kinda excused my stepdad’s anger issues because he had gone through losing a wife to some terminal illness and that pain never really went away. She normalized everything, perhaps because she didn’t know what to do and was just hoping it would all stop if she acted like everything was ok? But even when I was young I thought it was stupid. Sure, it happened, but it’s not an excuse to bring misery to other people.

[@DoctorKidemonas]

@@EndertheDragon0922 _cough cough_ Snape _cough_

[@jennfreeman1962]

@@DoctorKidemonas*spoilers* People use Snape's backstory as an excuse for him doing all the bad things he (most likely) did as a death eater, and even if he wasn't that bad of a death eater he didn't care if Harry and James died, he just wanted Lily alive. And (if I remember correctly) he gave Voldemort a bit of the Prophecy.

[@DoctorKidemonas]

@@jennfreeman1962 ik. That was my point.

[@sonicroze]

I'm a cake decorator. Nobody so far has asked me about Raya. I have done 5 orders for Encanto recently - just took one today in fact. That says a lot to me.

[@aashycoconut]

Lmao

[@troodon1096]

It doesn't mean the movie is good, just that the marketing department did a better job.

[@johnpaulcross424]

@@troodon1096 also that Encanto just had way more staying power in they eyes of the general public… which is often a sign of quality

[@AlashiaTuol]

@@troodon1096 I personally heard way more about Raya than Encanto when it came to official marketing... up until the films actually came out. Then Raya disappeared from relevancy fast, while Encanto became waaaaay more talked about when it hit Disney+ and eventually I started seeing ads and merchandise.

[@susragejr477]

@@troodon1096 Yeah I guess you could say it had better marketing, but Encanto is still miles better regardless if the marketing was good or not

[@TimeBucks]

appreciate how you pointed out that Alma was the antagonist but not the villain.

[@kieranstark7213]

As great as I find Encanto for being very similar to Coco, if there is one thing Encanto did better than Coco (which is also an awesome movie), it’s the lack of a (twist) villain that goes to show the basic knowledge that not everything needs a villain, just an antagonist to dimensionize.

[@Kaimax61]

It's funny that some adults still don't know the differences between antagonist and villain.

[@enigmatic2878]

@@Kaimax61 yeah, it hurts. Good thing my parents didn't really try to point out who's the villain. They just watched and enjoyed it.

[@octogonSmuggler]

@@kieranstark7213 dimensionalize

[@flammenwaffle7976]

Why the fuck is the chick from F.E.A.R. here

[@wyspersonal]

Namari is basically like “I wanna bring everyone back, but I want the credit.”

[@DORAisD34D]

Remember

[@awkward745]

@@DORAisD34D ?

[@Editori_]

​@@DORAisD34D ?

[@Lima_luna-nob]

​@@DORAisD34D remember what????

[@joshdaymusiced]

@@Lima_luna-nobRemember me, though I have to say goodbye

[@babykillingcadillac6719]

“Explains her actions without justifying them” explains alma so well and drives the theme of generational trauma. It’s not talked about enough how trauma is cyclical in nature. Abusers have often been abused themselves. That’s why it’s up to the abused to break the cycle, just like mirabel did. It doesn’t excuse the abuse an abuser gives from what they’ve endured, it just explains their actions and unsolved underlying issues. I’m glad a movie like encanto exists-to show an abuser realize they’re wrong and make an attempt to atone for their actions and help who they’ve hurt as a way to heal from their own trauma

[@GameyGaming]

Bine

[@GameyGaming]

Nice*

[@3v1l73ddy]

I wish real people were able to change like this... But in my experience it doesn't go down that way, they remain feeling self righteous like they never did anything wrong...

[@GameyGaming]

@@3v1l73ddy most people don’t want to admit it when they’re wrong and sometimes even double down on their actions. It’s not all bad, though, lots of people still own up to their mistakes and strive to improve. It all depends I guess, just be mindful of how everyone acts

[@GameyGaming]

@@3v1l73ddy also I’m no therapist don’t take my words too literally lol

[@brianadoesart5195]

Someone pointed this out before, but I'm gonna say it again here--- the house falling apart scene probably also helped to open Alma's eyes to how much she was hurting the whole family. Not just because the house broke, but because everyone was trying to save the Candle instead of themselves. Not just Mirabel, no no! EVERYONE. Isabela and Camilo both nearly get themselves killed along with Mirabel trying to save the Candle instead of trying to get out when the house is clearly falling down. If it had just been Mirabel, maybe then Alma could have thought ""Oh its just her who feels like this."" But it isn't! Camilo is also trying to save the Candle and Isabela- her Golden Child is also putting the safety of the Miracle/Candle over her own life! Because that's the message she instilled in the grandkids their whole lives. They could have been crushed and killed so easily. Especially as their gifts faded. But they didn't care. The Miracle is more important than they are! They ALL truly believe this! Not just Mirabel. ALL OF THEM. And having to see that right in front of her face... That had to really be eye opening.

[@aidankocherhans9861]

Dang, every comment I read gives me a new perspective on the movie, I love this take!

[@icymoons]

i'm pretty sure Camilo and Isabela were actually trying to save Mirabel, since everyone was pretty consistently telling Mirabel to not put herself in danger and all that, but regardless it would have looked a certain way to Abuela, so you're pretty right

[@VelvetCake423]

@@icymoons Nan, Isabella and Camillo make direct shots at the candle before mirabel can een get close, its once their powers fade that they try to save Mirabel too, most likely because they may think its too late or because they quite rightly make the choice that the candle is not worth the life of a family member

[@AnakhaSilver]

@@VelvetCake423 I think it's more if they grab it first, Mirabel won't have to risk herself because they KNOW she will.

[@VelvetCake423]

@@AnakhaSilver that’s also a very good point. I like that point A LOT. Especially after Isabella and her had a really good heart to heart

[@nikotsapaliaris4919]

Just with the Zuko apology, the part i find the best of that, is that Zuko asks 'how can you forgive me so easily'. He went in fully expecting Iroh to, well, hate him. Then the way Iroh says 'I was never angry, just worried you had lost your way'. It was truly emotional Edit: Thank u so much for all the likes

[@Messhii]

You gave me so many flashbacks about that show and that scene, thank you, I’m gonna rewatch that same scene on loop

[@nikotsapaliaris4919]

@@Messhii I'm happy I reminded you of something that made you happy. :)

[@hm-sg9sm]

@@nikotsapaliaris4919 iroh and zuko are some of my two favourite characters in all of fiction, thank you for reminding me of that scene too

[@nikotsapaliaris4919]

@@hm-sg9sm you are most welcome

[@lilagura6427]

i didn't cry when i first watched that scene but hearing so many people explain the buildup and emotion in it makes me cry now

[@addie2575]

I think that there is an even better scene with Zuko redemption. In the western air temple where all four members of team avatar all had different acceptance levels of Zuko. Toph was fine with it because the only other experiences she had of Zuko were Iroh talking about him and when they teamed up against Azula, so she didn't mind Zuko. Aang who was reluctant still was accepting because he needed a fire bending teacher and he has had a few positive interactions with Zuko before. Which the next episode showed that they became a good team. Then Sokka who didn't trust Zuko that much was ok with it because Aang was. During the boiling rock, they worked together and ended up making a good team causing Sokka to be fine with Zuko. Then Katara who was hurt the most hated the idea of Zuko working with them and was mad at Zuko until the Southern raiders. Then Katara finally decided to forgive Zuko after the episode. This shows great multiple levels of trust that Raya didn't even try to do.

[@oMuStiiA]

That and Zuko put in the work for each character to help them, not because he wanted them to forgive him and trust him, but because he wanted to make up for the harm he caused in the past, and genuinely wanted to help them for the sake of helping them.

[@addie2575]

@@oMuStiiA I agree, Namari or however you spell her name couldn't do that unlike Zuko.

[@jeffreygao3956]

Because Raya had a TV series plot shoehorned into a film that isn’t even close to three hours.

[@rainpooper7088]

Katara also refused to trust Zuko because he previously betrayed her trust when after their bonding moment back in Ba Sing Se, he still sided with Azula who almost killed Aang. You know, like how Namaari betrayed Raya after their bonding moment. The Fire Nation killing Katara's mother didn't help, but it wasn't the only reason she wanted nothing to do with him. Zuko had to actively make an effort to change her mind and prove he is no longer supporting the crimes of the Fire Nation.

[@notliked42210]

I just experience all of Airbender and Korra and I decided to come to this video for his only avatar analysis and yeah avatar is peak fiction

[@0calliestar0]

I also think it’s interesting that barely anyone remembers or cares about Raya’s 5 main characters, while Encanto has 11 main characters that people love and basically create mini fanbases for. People always tried to argue Raya would be better if it had more time to develop the characters, but Encanto disproves that by having a cast twice as big and still way more memorable than evil baby and eye patch man.

[@hunterolaughlin]

But will each Madrigal family members’ fan base be as big as Camillo’s? Update: And Bruno’s? 😉

[@reasyrandom]

I liked Boun, aka "Shrimp Boy"

[@jakoblent4694]

@@hunterolaughlin Brunos is like probably Bigger everyone loves the tele a novela ratman

[@hunterolaughlin]

@@jakoblent4694 Ironically, people are taking about Bruno. 😂

[@QueenAvacado]

I agree and like some of the characters in Encanto have barely 5 minutes of screen time for example. Camilo, probably the character with the least amount of dialogue in the entire family is literally one of the most popular characters. Because Enconto has really great characters every single one of them is memorable even the ones that barely get any time to flesh out their character. But yeah I think that Raya and the last Dragon really suffers from character development and a lot of other things. Obviously Encanto is the better film and I hope that Disney gives us a TV series or something because people have been begging them to make one.

[@fluffystuff500]

People who have hurt you can be forgiven... Encanto: If they are willing to change. Raya: Under all circumstances, no matter what.

[@jeffreygao3956]

Sri Inthrathit: The Khmer may take our gold, our land, but they will never take...OUR FREEDOM!

[@Buglin_Burger7878]

Maybe I've just gone senile but... Wasn't there an entire Arc where learning not to blindly trust everyone in Raya was a thing? Almost every problem was blind trust or blind distrust.

[@thediabolicalraisin8953]

Did you get this from a game? It sounds familiar.

[@fluffystuff500]

@@thediabolicalraisin8953 I didn't intentionally get this from a game, but I wouldn't be surprised if I subconsciously sampled from something I'd seen before on accident.

[@thediabolicalraisin8953]

@@fluffystuff500 it kinda sounded like one of the questions you get in a pmd personality test

[@trinaq]

I loved how there was no twist villain in "Encanto", with Abeula being the closest thing to an antagonist, yet she's revealed to have understandable motives behind her actions.

[@arturocastroverde3349]

Abuela is a fusion between shifu and carl fredericksen

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Abuela honestly wasn’t even a villain just a person who had a traumatizing past and a person who loves her family but can’t see the flaw in her methods

[@rubyjade22]

Adding on to that, it reinforces the idea that the terms “antagonist” and “villain” are not synonymous. Abuela was definitely an active antagonist for most of the film, but it feels wrong to call her a villain, because the word “villain” implies that she’s evil - when she’s far from it. An antagonist is simply a character or force that opposes the protagonist - they could be evil, but they don’t have to be. So that’s why I would say Abuela is an antagonist, but not a villain.

[@dr.wolfstar1765]

The grandma was the twist villian

[@2heo1987]

@today was a good day????

[@DudeEM]

The review on Raya is spot on. It’s very irresponsible of Disney to release a movie that insists that the world is merely black and white. A lot of people can lose their lives should they believe the message of this movie. Also, the part where Namari gaslighted Raya after the sword fight between them and Raya realized that Namari was right just screamed “trust narcissists and empathize with them.” Dried up well of creativity Disney?

[@galten7361]

You're talking about the same Disney that has Kylo Ren. Might as well have them get Rebecca Sugar or the ones behind wannabe anime Avatar or etc.

[@flymetothemoon6848]

i mean disney made encanto as well.

[@zephyrprime8]

Raya's message is actually pretty toxic. It just says "You should fully trust every person regardless of how well you know them and if you don't, you're the bad person."

[@ExplosiveBrohoof]

There's a dual message as well that comes as a corollary: "You can backstab and betray your victims as many times as you want if they're willing to blindly trust you."

[@ayyymacaroni]

RATLD is the reason why abusers think they're good people

[@jeffreygao3956]

So...Si Inthrathit should have trusted that the Khmer would treat his people better despite them basically enslaving the Thai through colonization? The Vietcong should've just trusted the Americans to treat them better than the Saigon government? Aguanaldo trust the Americans to be "nice" colonizers?!

[@grawlix-man463]

@@jeffreygao3956 Look, I respect your enthusiasm, but can you chill out a bit? you've been repeating this same stuff for over a month on this same video, I think everyone got your message

[@jeffreygao3956]

Southeast Asia’s real history is way better than Raya and super underrated.

[@whitethunder9064]

What's especially crazy about Raya's message is that THEY HAD AN ENTIRE SCENE SHOWING WHY BLIND TRUST IS A BAD THING! When Sisu just trusts the old lady from the sea village, she gets betrayed! Raya calls her out for it, but the movie still tries to say that SISU is RIGHT!

[@FranciscoPetrucioJunior]

The Movie: Blind trust is bad Also the movie: Well, yes, but actually, no

[@galten7361]

the movie isn't just saying muh trust everyone but also that "forgive anyone even if they're villains in service to conquerors and already ended up making your world how it is and if you don't do it fast you're the one who's badwrong"

[@gilbertinastefan]

Bro,did this movie have trouble production,because the script just changes soooooooo drastically, they visualise the good of putting a little bit of trust,the bad of framing Raya for Sisu’s death and the ugly for how Namari’s redemption arc was done.

[@humantoon]

I think what the movie’s message was trying to be was “it’s ok to trust others, don’t let one experience cause you to shield yourself for the rest of your life.” But the entire movie is written so weirdly that it’s making the entire message hard to understand. Hell, I’m not even sure if what I’m guessing is correct because the entire movie makes everything so damn confusing and convoluted. I fucking hate Sisu so much. She’s the most unlikeable protagonist in the entire movie despite being one of the most important

[@Chilloutlilbro]

​@@FranciscoPetrucioJunior Media literacy could've prevented this dumb ass comment

[@QueenAvacado]

I find it hilarious how Encanto has this huge cast of about 14 characters in all. They all are way more memorable, likable and way more interesting than any of the characters in Raya .Despite Raya having a cast of characters half the size of Encanto’s I can’t even remember any of their names other than Raya herself. Even the background characters in Encanto like the “fish lady” for example or the “coffee kid” are way more memorable than any of Rayas characters will ever be.

[@realpunkfruit]

they were all insufferable

[@Hazyla]

@@realpunkfruit yeah, like you

[@pokaay3163]

The characterization in Encanto was so good. They all had their personalities and features about them that it’s understandable why any of them are particular fan favorites, or why some people might relate to any of them. I would not be mad if the movie was longer just to give some of the overshadowed characters (like any of the cousins or mirabel’s parents) more scenes together.

[@aidankocherhans9861]

Now that you mention it, I literally can't remember any character names in raya aside from sisu, namaari, and raya. But I know every name in encanto

[@michaelstrong5383]

When I watched Raya for the first time when it premiered on Disney+ for free, I used to think that the supporting characters were way more interesting than the main character herself. Now, gun to my head, I can't remember any of their names or their personalities.

[@kitkat-nu5ck]

Will never forget my godawful experience watching Raya. I was in a social skills group, and the teacher decided to put on a movie. 7 of us voted for Tinkerbell, 1 person voted for a Nic Cage movie. Teacher didn't want that one person to be unhappy, so she put on Raya as a compromise. Literally all of us hated it. We were shittalking the movie the entire time, multiple people just straight up left partway through, and we asked the teacher not to show the movie to her kids bc it had such terrible values. The kicker? I looked over partway through the movie to the Nic Cage guy and he was watching a different movie on his phone. We got put through all of that for nothing. I wanted to strangle him.

[@CertifiedSealLover]

What’s the point of voting if they don’t even choose the most voted movie

[@thetruthlies7]

Unanimous votes are singlehandedly the stupidest things ever.

[@StaDio25]

I don't understand how Raya could complement the Nic Cage, why she decided to put that instead of Tinker Bell? But still, very rude of him not watching (or suffering through) the movie together with you.

[@theenderdestruction2362]

​@@StaDio25 how was it rude please tell me cause from my perspective it sounds like you would throw rocks at someone without reason

[@Gentledemons]

@@theenderdestruction2362 So the teacher didnt want the Nic Cage guy to be upset, so they put on Raya to try and not make him upset **and he didnt even watch the movie, making the teacher’s compromise useless**

[@ahmedhalawa5495]

One scene I feel is a bit overlooked in Encanto is when Antonio is going to get his gift and feels scared/pressured and asks Mirabel to go with him, we see Alma just looks worried that Mirabel might jinx him or something giving no thought as to how Antonio or Mirabel are feeling. That was so heartwarming to see Mirabel trying to overcome her own trauma of not getting a gift by helping Antonio feel more comfortable in that moment.

[@LIAuNXeNON]

in that moment i realised that to abuela the family really didn't matter it was their gifts. i mean the sheer relief that is plainly shown on her face when Antonios door doesn't dissappear is also what really solidifies her misguided views(wether conciously or unconciously in ppls mind as the face is one that ppl will understand the most as opposed to body movement)

[@gloriabullock3173]

Also can we talk about the pressure put on poor Antonio? Being the youngest he also was forced to carry Mirabel's trauma until his door appeared. He was already terrified of being "useless" at just 5. The miracle was riding on him getting a gift in his mind, I believe. It makes him asking for help more heartbreaking. Before Mirabel, not getting a gift wasn't an option, so for Antonio, it became another crushing expectation. Another very early foreshadowing of how the entire family is feeling

[@criticalsurria6773]

For we must all appear before “the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.” (2 Corinthians 5:10) We will be judged for every deed we do whether is be good or bad. This isn’t something to worry about even if our bad deeds out weigh our good. Because none are good before God, all have sinned against Him and cursed His name, but He in His tender loving mercy hath given us His Son as our ransom. When Jesus was dying all of Gods wrath and judgement was poured out onto Him even though He was sinless. He was sacrificed and tortured on our behalf though we are sinful and carnal. Christ payed our sin debt with His perfect sinless blood so we may escape judgment and have everlasting life. But this great gift is only for those who accept it and accept Him ❤️

[@GReyn]

And don't forget the ending, Mirabel was escorted by Antonio.. awhhh..

[@arthurpietrogarcia1057]

@@criticalsurria6773 Dude go preach in a religious video this video is about bad dragon and good magic house.

[@1987MartinT]

The movie is trying to say that Raya is at fault for thinking that Namaari is an enemy. I'd like to counter that by stating the following: Namaari has literally never been anything to Raya other than an enemy. So Raya is well within her right to suspect Namaari's intentions. That's not prejudice! That's pattern recognition!

[@OReily08080]

Yeah, her distrust was completely valid, and it pissed me off that they made it out to be that Raya was in the wrong. How is it a good message to build up trust by fully trusting complete strangers

[@squidwardshouse830]

@@OReily08080 The opposite of stranger danger

[@OReily08080]

@@squidwardshouse830 exactly

[@MeganAllen1738]

Good point. Prejudice would've been her being suspicious of everyone from another tribe, or specifically Namaari's tribe.

[@ShinyShilla]

I also hate how they also blamed on Raya that Namaari shot the dragon. Who in the friggin fisrt place took out the crossbow? Not Raya

[@dyinginside821]

the only thing I didn’t like about encanto is that bruno doesn’t get an apology from anyone, instead he tries to apologize.

[@Whatlander]

Yeah, at the very least they could have apologized for singing a whole song about how much they think he sucks - which he definitely heard. Bruno is such an incredible Uncle. Man ruins his own entire life just to make sure one of his nieces doesn't suffer the way he did. And then he straight up confronts Alma after hiding from her for years, fully ready to take the brunt of her anger for his niece. It's played off as a comedic palate cleanser after the emotional climax, but that scene really blindsided me with just how much he wants to protect Mirabel from his mother. Bruno was hurt so badly, yet he's hellbent on not letting his trauma become Mirabel's.

[@tgbluewolf]

I wouldn't say that he doesn't get an apology, just that they don't say the literal words "I'm sorry"; however, their actions do show that they are remorseful. Plus, it must be remembered that they'd been suppressing their feelings under Alma's thumb for all those years--they're not going to suddenly be able to express themselves right away.

[@frozenyogurth]

@@tgbluewolf Very fair point.

[@mrcoconut5077]

I think that Bruno was right to apologize to Pepa, he said " That wasn't a profecy I could just see you were sweating" in the song "All of you" meaning he told his SISTER that's very emotional on HER WEDDING DAY that "it looks like rain" as a joke, that was insensitive and that's why Pepa panicked and the hurricane began. Pepa was the only one bruno apologized to in the song and it was a well deserved apology.

[@Cognitive_player]

It is important to know that the family generally didn't like Bruno, and that is why there is a song literally dissing him (and knowing where he was the whole time, he probably heard it). Bruno trying to apologize to his family makes him a more likable character, and given the context leading up to this scene, really makes him a more likable character. Even though nobody really apologized for misjudging him, it is still proven Julieta and Pepa both deeply missed their brother, (via the hug and lyrics such as "We're just happy that you're here, ok"), and that is an ending that still resonated well.

[@Yashael341]

Everyone in Encanto was suffering alone. Except for Pepa, but she couldn't really help that. Alma lost her home and her husband in one night, in front of her baby triplets, and she suffered alone for 50 years. She's terrified of ever being vulnerable again. Now, there's a certain truth to the idea of using your blessings to bless others. It's beautiful, and it makes our world better. But she slipped into a common trap of focusing too much on it, and thinking that you "earn" miracles. It's not just about projecting an image of a perfect family. She thinks that if they serve the community, she'll never have to face loss like that again.

[@richardbond258]

A beautiful explanation of the movie's message. ❤

[@vernowietsch]

Mirabel's "I will never be good enough for you" after the brief moment of silence during their argument caught me totally off guard and hit like a truck. Whenever I rewatch the movie, it just gets me everytime.

[@michaelpitter9193]

And then she follows up with "Nothing any of us do, will ever be good enough".

[@Carl.theKat]

No really this line hit different cause it's something I can relate to

[@Kaitou1412Fangirl]

@@Carl.theKat Same.

[@amel5469]

Only for fans over 18 years old beautyzone.cam/Sity tricks I do not know Megan: "Hotter" Hopi: "Sweeter" Joonie: "Cooler" Yoongi: "Butter So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today. Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım '' Erinder: '' Sezimdüü '' Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak '' Dene: '' Muzdak '' Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis. Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon. Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan. Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾 They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising 💗❤️💌💘

[@abniamisliahzahrah9297]

Me too.. that hits me so hard everytime I rewatch the movie

[@DanGamingFan2406]

Alma is like Joy from Inside Out: a controlling, self-centered, antagonistic person for the majority of the movie, who realizes her mistake in the 3rd act and puts genuine effort into redeeming herself. And I love that!

[@noobmasterruben5167]

So true. The scene where Joy cries in the abyss and seeing the memoty was integral for her character to see the flaws of her ideology

[@Lilybelle-vr3ho]

you are so right!

[@skizzpulse]

So true! She has good intentions but does it in the worst way

[@DanGamingFan2406]

@PizzaTime In a way, she was. Only instead of generational trauma, Joy's problem was toxic positivity.

[@Maknaru2]

La diferencia es que alegria es una emocion pura, sus instintos son los que son con respecto al comportamiento. Inside out habla de inteligencia emocional pura a través de una meta-historia. Son eso, emociones puras. Y su tendencia es la que tienen naturalmente. Obviamente alegría quiere hacer sentir a Riley feliz, porque es el mejor estado emocional plausible para un ser humano. Pero presionar felicidad cuando no estas bien y negarte a explorar tu estado anímico, negándolo, es toxico. Por eso inside out es espectacularmente inteligente. Alegría no es antagonista, es la propia Riley por no conocerse emocionalmente aún por ser una niña. Y es que Riley nunca había estado expuesta a una situación emocional que la pusiera tan al limite, como para aceptar a tristeza, no como un momento puntual, sino como un estado mental mas alargado por sus circunstancias. Y aceptar que eso esta bien. Porque de la pena y melancolía se puede aprender. como bien dice raffiki en el rey leon. Alma/Abuela, es una persona con total función de sus emociones, tener un trauma no te excusa de dañar a la gente. Al final se arrepiente, y eso esta bien, y es bonito. Pero es una mujer adulta y sus decisiones las toma ella con total visión de sus emociones y las de otros. Entiendo tu comparativa, pero en inside out no es tanto el viaje de alegría, sino el del desarrollo de la inteligencia emocional de Riley, e incluso de tristeza como una emoción cada vez mas madura. En encanto si veo una figura antagonista. A mi parecer of course

[@Priogab]

7:07 Sisu actually has ONE funny line in the movie : Sisu : "YOU BROKE THE GEM?!" Raya : "Well I still have a big chunk of it tho..." Sisu : "Is that supposed to make me feel better? If you lost a puppy and I said "Well we still have a big chunk of it", would that make you feel better???" It's not really the line itself, it's just that I didn't expect such a graphic image to be put in my head by a Disney movie.

[@hellom3laniehere]

Lmao- that one I laughed at also-

[@bonkeu]

one of the only things that made me smile in this movie. the other was any scene with boat boy

[@hellom3laniehere]

@@bonkeu Yeah, like I feel like Raya focused to much on representation but forgot about the literal plot itself- Like Disney, imagine how much BETTER the representation would be if you actually focused on the plot more and making the meaning good- like I’d take Turning Red over Raya when it comes to representation. Like Raya is not horrible at all- I just feel like it could’ve been so much more…

[@peterwhite6415]

I have to imagine the movie would be alot darker then what it already is, if they actually bother on making the writting good.

[@hellom3laniehere]

@@peterwhite6415 I agree 100%. It's sad bc as Vietnamese American, I was really hoping for this to not just have good representation of a strong character, but also have a good plot. In which yeah they did good on diversity and all, but they forgot about good writing. :,

[@gachareacter4170]

The thing is, the message could've been SOO much better if Namari even just showed a little remorse. A little doubt, a little guilt, just anything. They could've had one small scene where Namari admitted her guilt, or just one line where she says, "I wish I didn’t tear us down." But no. It's heartbreaking watching this movie and understanding the missed opportunity

[@galten7361]

You'd think so but they were too busy making her out to be some badass sorta attractive mega murderer whose mommy is mean to her.

[@MuddledVagabond]

A

[@braydenkatcher]

The face on Alma when Pedro is killed is absolutely soulcrushing. She looks like what someone would have on their face when it happens in real life. It was incredible.

[@RinLockhart]

It's so odd how doing the bare minimun (adding expressions on female characters) is seen as a leap on Disney. Then I remembered the interview of one of Frozen's animators saying how "hard it is to animated a female character."

[@exilemorin04]

@@RinLockhart I dont see anybody call it a leap on disney's part , this comment is just giving credit to the animators for animating a real believable facial expression

[@bigpapamagoo8696]

I remember that scene because of how gut wrenching it was. I couldn’t believe how powerful it felt.

[@GingerWizzard1994]

@@RinLockhart animation student here. Also cis female. It isn't animating a woman that's hard, it's designing them, and it's a big fact unfortunately. Men and women in animation, no matter how fat or skinny or thicc or swole, all follow their gender's body shape (different from shape language). Notice how Luisa, despite being swole, still has a female body shape. If you deviate you lose the image. It's an animation staple and it's industry wide.

[@ezajjj]

Also, someone pointed out that in the opening when Abuela Alma was telling the story of how she lost Pedro, she was not as emotional as she was portrayed in the latter part of the movie. It is a way of showing that she admits that she has trauma and not hiding or downplaying it.

[@matthewa.whiting719]

It's important to understand WHY Alma put so much pressure on her family. She witnessed the worst in humanity, and obviously would have a hard time trusting people after that. Her children were born different--and from her past, she learned that people kill what is different from them. So, having her children tirelessly serve everyone is really a defense mechanism. "If everyone sees my children's differences as a blessing to the community, then the community will not fear them or kill them." And for all we know, she may have been right (at first). The issue arises when after time is given, she doesn't reflect upon this line of thinking, she allows it to continue unchallenged, because she is afraid of another massacre happening.

[@snowfairy8350]

Yeah, she could have gone the complete opposite way and used their powers to scare the town into submission. Maybe at first she wanted to help the town, but when the triplets got their gifts she became power-hungry. She would make the town see her family as gods who could be merciful or vengeful based on how the town treated them. Pepa could bring them good weather for crops or hurricanes and droughts if they “misbehaved”. Julieta could heal anyone or withdraw that privilege if they weren’t as “loving” of the family as they could be. Bruno could “cause” bad things to happen or find out if anyone would try to stage a coup. Luisa could help anyone who supported the family or crush anyone that went against it. Isabela could make food grow or poison people with her flowers. Dolores would hear everything they said, forcing them to choose their words carefully or else the Madrigals would know. Camilo could disguise himself as anyone and monitor the towns people to make sure they weren’t writing stuff so Dolores couldn’t hear. Antonio could use his animals to help the people or hurt them. Mirabel, having no gift, would either be protected by the family so the townspeople wouldn’t use her as a bargaining chip, or further ostracized for doing nothing to keep the town under control.

[@janaekelis]

i feel like the context and time period behind why they were pushed out of their home is so unique to Colombians and adds an extra layer to alma

[@rhinaeflores4165]

Ikr, I hate my cousins because they hate Alma and they can't tell me any reason beside "because she was mean to Mirabel"

[@dragonfell5078]

@@snowfairy8350 This is a great way that things coulda gone dark

[@stableleaf5767]

@@snowfairy8350 I definitely want to read this fanfic AU

[@berrytofu9559]

and the fact that Alma is not wearing her black shawl anymore after the *"Dos Oruguitas"* scene and after she and Mirabel willingly took accountability and apologized to each other is literally my favorite detail of the movie because finally she's free of the trauma and the pressure she puts herself under and that she finally acknowledged that no gift is greater than the gift of having a loving and supportive family that will help you, accept you, and help you change and be the best version of yourself. --fuck why did I cry writing this--

[@jillianbrodsky]

ive watched analysis upon analysis video, watched the movie countless times, talked about it with others so much, and i STILL didn’t notice that! literally you can notice new details even months after first watching with subsequent rewatches, and that fact alone is incredible.

[@herrnarr3577]

I cried reading ur comment pal, tnx😢🙂

[@miniespeon158]

Yeah, my family is pretty fucked as well, so even just watching the video made me get all choked up. Im scared to watch the movie cuz i feel like ill be ugly crying at the end lol

[@Catpuff818]

That is some real ass shit and it cuts deep.

[@meogatopreto]

Do you wanna cry even more? :D during the flashback, the chorus of the song is always "ay oruguitas" (oh caterpillars) but when she removes the black shawl, the lyrics change to "ay mariposas" (oh butterflys) signaling their relationship rebirth and that they both have grown into more beautiful and mature versions of themselves.

[@oMuStiiA]

Something I think is worth noting about Encanto is the fact that Mirabel wasn't the only family member without a gift. Alma herself also doesn't have a gift either. So imo I got the feeling that Alma pushed those with gifts to be of use because she felt like she had nothing to offer herself, so she relied on her kids and grandkids to help others and protect their family in her stead, hence why she put so much stake in them, so they could make up for her own perceived shortcomings and inability. I also felt like she projected her insecurities related to this onto Mirabel, and it wasn't until Mirabel spelled it out to her that she realized what she'd been doing. Because Mirabel telling her that she was the one causing the house to break down was probably a confirmation of her worst fear, that she was the weak link in the family, and it would be because of her that it would fall apart. Because of how tightly her issues are tied with her behaviour, it makes her apology and desire to make things right feel that much more sincere. In acknowledging that Mirabel doesn't need a gift to be a vital and loved member of the family, Alma can also learn to view herself that way as well, which would be an important part of her healing process so she can address her own insecurities and how it affects her treatment of others. Granted this is just my interpretation.

[@jeffreygao3956]

Or maybe there’s a reason Mirabel never got a gift.

[@mothlee]

This is brilliant and makes perfect sense with a theory I have about Mirabel's "gift." I don't know if anyone else has said this before, but my interpretation is that Mirabel is the next generation's Abuela. Her role or "gift" is being the keeper of the candle and the person through whom every other family members' gifts are channeled, just like Abuela before her. The candle had to go out and the house had to crumble to be able to be rebuilt stronger for the new generation, and the parallels between them are very strong.

[@mackenziewoloschuk7375]

Given how she was helpless to save her husband, I agree with that.

[@fightinggamegeek9238]

And also I headcanon that Mirabel is supposed to be the next keeper of the miracle when Alma passes.

[@rosenrot234]

As someone that grew up in a toxic household. I understand the whole "Toxic family should never be forgiven". Totally. But man I still ugly cried at Mirabel getting an honest apology from Alma. For a lot of us, an apology like that will never happen. So hearing it in this movie just broke me down for awhile. Just one of those good long cries.

[@xCoatlicuex]

I fell you and I'm sorry about you. I get annoyed at how people can trash talk Alma when she admits her mistake, apologizes and goes back to try to fix her mistakes. I would have loved that my own toxic familars were able to at least admit their mistakes instead kept hurting others, and thinking they are right. Or just expecting blind obedience whitotu any explanation. Seeing a family head just ADMIT her mistakes feels like a hit in the chest.

[@sunshineyrainbows13]

Forgiveness is always the right thing to do. I think we as a culture need to acknowledge that forgiveness and actually maintaining a close and trusting relationship aren't always the same thing. I don't have a close relationship with my estranged, abusive dad but I do forgive him in my heart. It's better for both of us, spiritually and mentally.

[@arilovesbingus8626]

@@xCoatlicuex honestly i still trash talk alma cuz projection lol. I cant trash talk my mom and alma is pretty simular

[@rosenrot234]

@@sunshineyrainbows13 I mean good for you but that doesn't mean others have to bother with that

[@lauras.9294]

As someone else who grew up in a toxic and lowkey emotionally abusive household, I think if my parents actually gave me a real, heartfelt apology and actively tried to do better, I would honestly forgive them too. I don't think that everyone should, though. And since the chance of my parents actually realizing they're wrong, actually aknowledging it, seriously apologizing and really trying to do better is pretty much impossible, I don't think I'll be forgiving them any time soon.

[@lpswerido688]

Alma is a character that is the combination of everything that the younger Latino community hates about their older relatives and everything they wish they could have. We all wish that our parents or grandparents can face their trama and realize how it's hurt their children but few actually do. A few friends have even told me that their parents or grandparents hate Encanto because 'The ending was dumb' or 'They made the Abuela the villian'. The message went right over their heads

[@catnbubbles]

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[@catnbubbles]

@Person 1 ñn't

[@guidobardi1992]

@@catnbubbles en efecto

[@NayvieNoir]

That was the least realistic part of the movie for me (yes including the magic). My family is Jamaican and my grandma went to her grave being lauded by everyone as a saintly matriarch. Meanwhile I still have nightmares about her.

[@catnbubbles]

@@NayvieNoir ñ?

[@AlphaOrion98]

I like mirabel’s dad. He saw her with Bruno’s vision and he immediately took her side. He also defended her to his mother in law. He is ride or die for his daughter and I feel like not enough people talk about him

[@Mysteryof89]

The "I was looking out for my daughter" part always gets to me T_T

[@gabrielcarneirocarelli6632]

Agustín Supremacy

[@lauramercedes1835]

Agustín is also very interesanting in his clothing. He has a flower because of Isabella, an embroidery of Luisa and Mirabel in each one of his socks!

[@MoxieCat]

Yeah, that was the point where it hit me how much Abuela affected the family. Sure the family's broken, but everyone else at least cares about Mirabel, despite her being an outcast.

[@ClaudetteVioletta]

@@MoxieCat i know right, they showed on many scenes, even as little as some were, that they love her with or without gift, just that she dosen't sees herself that special, and the family (even with all the love) don't know how great she is yet.

[@BelleRose11000]

It's like Raya was written by a narcissist who thinks, "Why don't people just unconditionally trust me?"

[@Gamegedon.900]

that narcisist was the biggest idiot ever. he was the real villain of the movie

[@apnosaurus]

narcissists refer to people with a mental health disorder, not the bitch of the hour who thinks they're the greatest thing ever. Real Narcissism actually involves a lot of severe self loathing over not being able to do what others can, and crippling fear that people you like will abandon you if you slip up in any way. But at the same time you crave attention more than anything and often will do literally anything just so people don't ignore you, because personality disorders stem from heavy childhood abuse.

[@thegrandxbunny2073]

@@Gamegedon.900 Wait, what happened? (Genuinely asking)

[@Gamegedon.900]

@@thegrandxbunny2073 I honestly don’t know

[@Scribble2345]

@@Gamegedon.900 pfft

[@asterash3389]

One simple way to fix the big problem with Raya’s message: Raya’s dad’s first get together with the other tribes actually goes really well, and Raya and Namari become best friends. Flash forward a couple of years or so, and Namari is staying at Raya’s place when a bunch of bandits come in to try to steal the gem. Namari, who is in the right area at the right time, catches them in the act and goes to put the gem back, when Raya (who’d been alerted to the fact that there were thieves in the area after the gem) sees Namari holding the gem and assumes the worst. She attacks Namari, they get into a fight and the gem breaks. That way-Raya really did ruin the world due to lack of trust, and Namari actually has a good reason to hate her, since Raya was the one who ruined things due to not trusting her.

[@YINSED5192]

That also would have made Raya realizing that it IS okay to trust feel a lot more authentic. She really wasn't given that much of a choice in the climax.

[@mushroom2597]

you absolute genius

[@Mehhhhhhhh]

Satan works hard but anonymous KZbin commenters fixing bad writing that multiple paid Hollywood writers couldn't, work harder.

[@z6lda]

When a random youtube commenter writes better than the actual writers

[@jans.g6033]

The only reason I could think of that they haven't went through this route is, "IT'S GONNA MAKE OUR PROTAGONIST LOOK BAD, WE HAVE TO MAKE HER LOOK BADASS AND FLAWED BUT STILL GOOD AND RIGHT AT ALL TIMES BUT STILL HAVE A CHARACTER ARC." Cause that makes sense in their heads probably

[@lordfelidae4505]

Don’t forget about the fact that Mirabel, Isabella, and Camilo all risked their lives to try and get the candle. They could have all died, but they each individually thought the miracle was more valuable than their own safety. Alma saw her grandchildren thinking their lives were less than a candle. Forget a slap in the face, that was the casita uprooting itself and slamming itself into her.

[@hengli78]

Slight correction: Isabela and Camilo were most likely going after Mirabel or both Mirabel and the candle.

[@Arty2504]

@@hengli78 it was confirmed that they were going for Mirabel

[@hengli78]

Oh- I really never know about what's misinfo and info

[@lordfelidae4505]

@@Arty2504 no, it hasn’t I have heard this but can find no sources. If you have a source, please share it, but I have found no evidence of any such statements.

[@roastedtoast5461]

I interpreted it as them going after Mirabel

[@autumnstormsablowin]

raya’s message: ah yes, even if a person emotionally abuses, betrays, stalks, harasses, and manipulates you into destroying the world and breaks your trust several times, you should continue trusting them. It is a horrific message that should not be shown to kids.

[@jeffreygao3956]

The Banner of the Mouse just wants a monopoly on child's love. I will ensure they have no such monopoly.

[@jeffreygao3956]

@Spider-Venom The Senate will decide your fate.

[@joeyjerry1586]

@@jeffreygao3956, I am the Senate

[@jeffreygao3956]

Not yet!

[@ChocolateM1lk]

EXACTLY, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING

[@ethanbaer65]

Disney really is super hit or miss nowadays. Some movies have a very strong message that they handle very well like Encanto or Coco, and others are like "Do you get it?! DO YoU gEt tHE mEsSaGE?" I really hope they manage to pull themselves together soon.

[@joaopaulolimacavalcante3050]

I mean, Coco is Pixar. Yeah, yeah, same company now, I know, but from a storytelling perspective, Pixar is usually more consistently well done thab Disney, in MY honest opinion 😊. Just pointing out, I agree witb the comment.

[@sushiroll3795]

It always frustrated me to an insane degree how Sisu constantly gets her and Raya in danger due to her ridiculous nativity, then CONTINUES to lecture her about the importance of trusting people even after LITERALLY DYING because she got shot by someone who betrayed her.

[@michaelstrong5383]

I saw Sisu as Disney trying to make her like what Robin Williams' Genie was to Aladdin. The only difference is that the Genie has tons of great jokes and is the heart of the film, while Sisu is a poorly written character.

[@Elvusmiw]

Did you know during making Raya, the original director's were replaced. I wonder if that's why there's so many issues

[@hastiborhani3492]

@@Elvusmiw reminds me when brave's director was replaced

[@sophiawilliams4810]

@@hastiborhani3492 That was mostly due to “muh wemen don’t know film muh”

[@Elvusmiw]

@@hastiborhani3492 really?

[@Vaprous]

The biggest problem with Raya is the Raya is the protagonist instead of Namari. Imagine how much better the story would have been as a story about a villain trying to earn their redemption; rather than a generic story about a hero trying to fix the world. That's the biggest problem: and I theorize its a *Disney* problem even; my theory is by trying to make the story message fit Raya as a character, it spoiled the whole story, but they had to, because Disney movies never have villain protagonists as far as I remember.

[@charmainezara]

but that’s just a problem! a disney problem!

[@pauljohnston4633]

It would have been better.... But here's the problem with that. Disney normally prefers their "animated" women to be Protagonists that sells.

[@marcuschristofferpaghmarti9623]

I don't think Namaari can carry a movie, she wasn't a likable villain

[@theonegoldengryphon]

We are talking about the same company who made fucking Artemis Fowl a Good Boy(tm) protagonist

[@Vaprous]

@@theonegoldengryphon Oh right... they made Artemis Fowl: the movie. Yeah, that explains it.

[@sabrexi7228]

A small thing, but I love when you first see the grandfather’s death, it’s sad but not very emotional. But when you get Abuela’s telling, it’s so intense and heartbreaking. She’s screaming and bawling her eyes out. It’s kind of like how everyone knew what happened, but they didn’t realize just how heartbreaking and tragic it really was

[@PhreakOutBigTime]

its so interesting because both versions are abuela alma's telling, but the first one is to her 5 year old granddaughter, an age appropriate version that focuses on magic and miracles, and when she talks to the community she only says 'in our darkest moment, this candle blessed us with a miracle'. the focus is only on the good that came of what happened, while only mentioning the bare minimum of the bad because shes has to inspire the community and to them, what alma lost is not what they want to hear. and when we finally see the true version of what happened at the end, we see she has barely minutes to comprehend the horror of what has just happened to her before the other villagers approach her for help and leadership. abuela alma never had an opportunity to be sad, to fully process what happened to her in her own time, because from the very beginning, minutes after her loss, she's had to frame what happened as a gift, a miracle that saved them all. the version she told 5 year old maribel in the beginning is probably the only version she's ever told *anyone* in all these years. she's been playing down and denying her trauma ever since it happened, and because of that could never truly process and heal from it until she's confronted with losing her home again, but no longer expected by the village to be in control of fixing everything.

[@jillianbrodsky]

@@PhreakOutBigTime YES THANK YOU!!! nobody ever talks about that but it’s also a huge detail. she’s sugarcoating it to seem positive at the beginning, but at the end she just tells it how it is, in all its heart-wrenching traumatizing glory

[@luisaalecrim7876]

@@PhreakOutBigTime you really said it all

[@Minx-4321]

Another part that really hit me was when she was sitting alone in her new house with her 3 babies, like she's safe now but she still has to raise 3 kids on her own

[@kieranstark7213]

The expression of her grief… STOP IT, DISNEY! IT’S TOO REAL! YOU KNOW HOW TO MAKE GROWN ADULTS CRY WHEN WATCHING THIS MASTERPIECE THAT ONLY HATERS/RAYA AND THE LAST DRAGON DEFENDERS THAT WISH THEY COULD DISLIKE THIS VIDEO HATE!

[@SplendidSuperman122]

Mirabel’s dad saying, “I was thinking about my daughter!“ Is such a G move.

[@Gamegedon.900]

what a chad

[@UnderCurrents15]

You literally copied and pasted this comment from a different one with more likes. Loser.

[@Amethyst.i]

FR

[@ember9361]

bot comment

[@SplendidSuperman122]

@@ember9361 Bruh I’m not a bot.

[@TheAdvertisement]

I really like the subversion of Mirabel being prepared to leave, packing up a purse to go out to save the Miracle... before she realizes she has no idea how to do that, and the movie ends up actually mostly staying in the same location. It sets itself up to be a huge journey before we realize with Mirabel that the problem lies solely at home.

[@danielleritman6721]

great point

[@troodon1096]

Really? Because I thought that was the worst aspect of the movie; the fact it didn't really go anywhere, both literally and figuratively.

[@danielleritman6721]

Troodon it's better as a metaphor. yeah when i first watched it i rolled my eyes a little bit but the way this commenter kind of perfectly summed up the metaphor of being prepared to find the issue within family and realizing that it's internal and an internal journey

[@TheAdvertisement]

@@troodon1096 I thought it was a very creative idea for a Disney movie to take a step back and focus on Mirabel's home, both literally and figuratively. It still kept a rapidly changing mood and the environment still kept us on our toes, I'm not sure what you're on about.

[@Monie71793]

@@troodon1096 It's not supposed to be some epic adventure outside.

[@cutecosplay6830]

I'm a daughter of a war affected family here in Colombia. My mom went through hell and back to make sure my siblings and I could grow up without witnessing the war she faced every day when she was young. She lost family and friends in front of her eyes, killed by the armed conflict and she simply tried her best to move on. Until I was born, cause then she knew she HAD to move on. She didn't have time to heal, to grief or to even process what she was doing, she only moved away from her home once more to give her family a better life, and she did. But what is important about this personal story and Encanto is the moment my family and I went to the movie premiere here in Colombia, because, of course, we cried. And my mom told me something while we were on our way back home that perfectly sumarizes the impact of the message of this movie: "I tried my best to make sure you were save, but even with the best intentions I still hurt you, because I wanted the best for you, even if what I thought was the best ended up damaging you more." The generational trauma she faced stayed with her, just as Alma. Neither of them wanted to hurt their families, but also forgot how to really protect them. "She is the antagonist, but not a villain"

[@erizamisorafujoshi7002]

;w;

[@pizzawashere8940]

As someone who comes from a family full of generational trauma, I now understand that my mum's damaging treatment was because of her trauma, even if she still doesn't understand that she caused damage because she had "good intentions" so she wasn't doing anything wrong. I spent years in pain because of the things she did, but now that I understand why and know that her morals and advice are not the be all end all for everyone in the world, I'm more at peace now.

[@umidiotairresponsavelqueva2275]

This comment made me tear up, that's so sad and heartwarming at the same time. Hope you and your family are doing well!

[@lilicap7]

Damn,,, that's sad but I'm thrill because of this, what a history

[@Wyrm7774]

Thank you, a lot of people ignore why the grandma was acting that way. She was too worried about her family which was causing her to lose the family

[@cookiesncreme5075]

I’m not sure if anyone else noticed this but during the flashback after Abuela loses her husband, we can see her crying and or grieving for him, but in the beginning when explaining everything to Mirabel in the first flashback, she seems fine. I think this is another small detail showing how she tried to seem strong for her family and tried to forget about/mention anything that might make her seem vulnerable or weak. I also think she tried to glorify what happened so that everyone else is proud/happy about what happened and so she doesn’t “ruin” it with the truth. Edit: ik this is probably kind of cringe but holy shit I’ve never gotten this many likes on a comment, especially in such a short period of time thank you so much!

[@vizthex]

yeah, I noticed that too. Iirc she's explaining it to Mirabel at the start of the film, so she's giving a very censored and polished version of it (which is fine, Mirabel was like 8 or 10 at the time) - but at the end she finally tells Mirabel the entire story.

[@gonz3870]

@@vizthex mirabel was actually 5, it was the day she was supposed to get her gift- which is on their fifth birthdays :)

[@reydragonclaw1128]

She also made Abuelo seem "unreal" and "distant." he didnt say goodbye, she didnt show their love and happy memories, she just kinda showed that he was there and uh, he died. anyways, we got a magic candle! Im fine and dont miss him. ;u; in the retelling, she shows those happy memories. abuelo was REAL, a real love in her life, with real and important feelings with real pain and agony. he said goodbye, he loved his family, he truly sacrificed himself. it wasnt just a story, it was all of her grief and agony. very interesting

[@francinev3971]

It's a nice detail to show that she didn't have time to grieve and express her own emotions when she was feeling too much for such a long time. In turn, she also thought it's right for people to control their emotions, hence why she's comfortable telling Pepa to suppress hers.

[@Ihazfunkitty]

The beginning seems almost magical and right from a story book, where her husband was lost but in return got a gift that helped the family through hardship. It was a story of hope. However the flashback was a story of horror and trauma. Her husband got murdered in front of her. While she now has a safe place, the magical house, shes on her own with her grief and has 3 infants that need her, she wanted to be strong for them.

[@PoolGyall5441]

Abuela admitting she was at fault and that Mirabel isn’t the issue in terms of the families toxicity was an amazing and beautiful moment that made even me cry and it takes a lot for a scene to make me cry unless something really feels genuine. Raya however angered me as no one admitted that they were the problem and almost made Raya seem like she was the problem for either trusting too much or too little. Even a simple scene with Namaari sitting and apologizing to Raya like the river scene in Encanto would have redeemed the horribly written and rushed ending of this movie.

[@nousername2316]

One of the biggest problems was that with Raya they wanted to mix several southeast asian cultures to make a big fantasy world without making big differentiation between each one. Encanto was focused on one multicultural country, but managed to make a story respecting that diversity and mixing it with historical topics. Realismo mágico well expressed through the whole movie. I don't think is one of the greatest movies, but they did way better in that aspect Yes I edited because I forgot to specify Southeast Asia, my bad and thanks for making me notice it.

[@refrigator]

@Enda Solac 👍🏿 wtf

[@rbc923]

Iiih parceiro e aquele erro de Google tradutor ali

[@applecharoensri9933]

*South East Asian

[@tokofukawap4055]

Tbh Columbia isnt a multicultural country.

[@FuriouzDragon45]

@Paz brown asian is the short term

[@shandya]

To Raya defense, Raya being gaslighted for the whole movie that everything is her fault and Namari never apologize for her mistakes...are one of the essences of Asian culture.

[@vertebraefeline6067]

True enough

[@Phillip-wt4dz]

Holy shit, you've just blown my mind

[@helenaperez4343]

But then again, generational trauma and family toxicity are also essences of Hispanic/Latino culture lol

[@kushastea3961]

funny how this gaslighting also exist in contemporary orientalism, aka "Asians bad cuz you're either poor communist or collectivist, absolutely not the fault of centuries of colonialism ripping away your wealth and culture!"

[@cherilynsarts8845]

This is so true

[@fruit4evr]

If I was in Raya’s shoes, at the end of the movie I would’ve been like “great thanks for saving the world, please don’t ever contact me or talk to me again”

[@Prime_Ramzi]

😂

[@chadmaster4liv384]

🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@aaminagreen9495]

@Banana Rama This! I don’t understand why people think Raya should show any interest in a person who tricked them into destroying the world!

[@nightmarefanatic1819]

@Banana Rama "But they call each other Dep La and act flirty!!1! That is proof they really wanna rub clams!" Which is another thing that boils my piss. If we compared what Namaari did to something in the real world, she pretty much betrayed Raya's trust to help other people rob her house and get her dad put into a coma he may never awake from. For 6 years, as Raya does whatever she can to help her dad get treated and possibly recovered, Namaari constantly pops in to act like a total shit to her after she destroyed Raya's life. Would this be someone that, realistically, Raya would constantly call "beautiful" and snarkily trade barbs with? No! Any actual person would react with unadulterated rage. No snark, no barbs, so sarcasm, just "Fuck off before I kill you." It's like Disney had Raya act in such an unrealistic manner to encourage the Femslashers because then they don't need to actually have teh gay in it, and in doing so makes her act in a way no real person in their right mind would.

[@fxckingsobbinglmao]

that is called a comment.

[@anxiouswaffle._.419]

What I love about dos orugiutas(I can’t spell) is that when the origin of the miracle is shown in the beginning of the movie, it’s seen as a beautiful and happy thing because it’s being told to a child. Alma is explaining it to a 5 year old mirabel in a way that doesn’t share the unknown details of that night that Alma never opens up about. But with the dos orugitas scene, the start is beautiful, but it shows every detail about how terrifying and heartbreaking it was for Alma. Seeing her scream and fall to her knees when her husband is murdered, and how drained her bloodshot eyes look in the new home with her kids. That scene is her fulling opening up about her experiences after holding in that pain for 50 years. It’s not excusing get actions, but it shows just hot much heartbreak she went through. That’s why encanto is one of my favorite movies.

[@lemonywater2979]

I never thought about that. That's so tragic.

[@aditanasa2518]

This song feels like an anthem of unconditional familial love. Much like how Pedro sacrificed himself in order to protect Alma and the triplets, it took the fall of the Casita and the Madrigals losing their gifts for Alma to realize the error of her ways and the damage done the family, and eventually forgive Mirabel for the years of pressure caused by her fear of losing the miracle and her decades-long grief. Every time I hear that song, let alone think, it makes me want to tear up. Absolutely beautiful.

[@noctambule5726]

Abuela's reaction during the murder of her true love in the Dos Oruguitas segment is the most heartbreaking reaction I've seen in any animation. It's like if Disney studied grief and the pure pain of losing someone and embodied that in Abuela. I bawled my eyes out and felt it to the core

[@carlasessa]

It's like they finally decided it was more important for femenine character models to be expressive than to look pretty all the time

[@JackedThor-so]

It feels like Raya was written by someone(s) with some kind of trust-based trauma, possibly from an abusive or neglectful parent. I can't explain why else the movie is the way it is - it's SO detached from any form of healthy relationship.

[@oop5488]

I sobbed so hard while the scene happened

[@jojobizarrelivingstone594]

Am I....cold cuz ppl are describing this movie as a beacon of Disney movies and it being super emotional but...I didnt really feel anything besides mild enjoyment

[@max-playlist]

that was my first thought in the theater too, I've never seen disney animate a scream with such grief before. normally crying is portrayed as pretty in this animation (Anna's heart freezing and Elsa is a big example) but now they're so much more dynamic and the expressions feel so real, I love it and I hope they keep it up for future films

[@seraphinitee]

Alma's cry in the very first scene showing the origins of the miracle vs her cry when showing her full, raw trauma in Dos Oruguitas is so heart wrenching to me. It's such a small detail, but the fact the cry is drawn prettier and gentler at the beginning shows the more flowery version of the tale, while the final scene, Alma is fulling embracing that trauma

[@dry-leaves]

Yes! Literally! Everytime I watch that raw, soundless scream, I wanted to bawl my eyes out too

[@MeBeCreepy]

Ohmygod that’s what had me sobbing!

[@RPGLover87]

Also it recontextualises the miracle slightly - before it was "protecting the family by giving them a house", in the final version it's like "protecting the village by blowing the hell out of the bandits and encasing Alma in an entire valley." It's a much more aggressive thing, almost like something from Akira with the trauma basically blowing up the causes of the trauma.

[@ahstiasummers5583]

I also realize that as the mountains formed, she watched them block her from the river she watched her husband die in. Maybe symbolic of how Alma tried to suppress and forget the pain of her trauma? Only after the mountains broke was Alma able to revisit the river and mourn her loss rather than suppress it

[@simplysnazzy7445]

I feel like people don’t talk enough about Pepa’s struggles in their videos. Every scene that Pepa is in, people are telling her to bottle her emotions so they don’t inconvenience others (even Pepa herself, with her “clear skies” incantation). It made me so happy to see Pepa embracing her emotions and dancing in the snow(?) with her husband. I love that Bruno was the one to tell her it’s okay to let herself feel what she’s feeling. It’s such a subtle thing but still a powerful message! Just like the struggle of Luisa, Isabela, and Bruno.

[@inaciobarbosa4478]

That was hail btw, not snow

[@esl4287]

I also wonder how her ability is made "helpful" to the community, since Alma constantly worries about that. Like, if the town needs rain do they purposefully manipulate her emotions? Because that seems like a pretty awful thing to do.

[@crumblemuffin1257]

@@esl4287 yes and no,Pepa's emotions can yes cause climate changes,but it's also shown that she can also control which type of weather it can come up. In addition to that,she _controls weather_ . She can make sunny days for the crops or water them all at once with rain and a bunch of other things that would be necessary a climate change to speed up the process if not to make it happen

[@esl4287]

@@crumblemuffin1257 Oh, I understand how a weather controlling power, regardless of mechanics, could be incredibly useful. But according to "Welcome to the Family Madrigal", it's explicitly stated that her *mood* affects the weather. I know this can be the whole area, not just her little cloud. But if it's her mood that triggers her powers, it seems like there must be active efforts to manipulate how she feels, both positively and negatively, for her to be able to meet Alma's criteria for contribution.

[@crumblemuffin1257]

@@esl4287 that's exactly why I said "yes and no",because while she yes has control over her powers,her emotions can also affect it,much like how's shown in "We don't talk about Bruno". Because all it needed was just one misunderstanding of what Bruno had said that resulted in her marrying in a literal damn hurricane In addition to that,it's shown that Abuela keeps doing it time and again reminding Pepa to "bottle up" her emotions by remembering her that she has a cloud to the point Pepa has to repeatedly calm herself down with saying "clear skies" over and over again.

[@animeturnMMD]

26:01 Well actually the Madrigal family is a perfect mirror of how many traditional families used to work in Colombia, even you can say that every Colombian family has its own Bruno and its own Mirabel, people who is ostracized for being different or for not follow or agree with the customs and tradition of the rest of the family or even worse for trying to protect the family and failing at doing so like Bruno. For more younger people these situations are pretty alien, because in the last 20 years our society has changed a lot, there is not so much families with a lot of aunties, uncles, brothers, sisters and cousing anymore, this is something more from the time of our parents and grandparents, but I remember that my dad cried (a 60 year old man) with this movie because he really feel identified with the circumstances of the Madrigal family especially with Mirabel and Bruno, you can say he was kind of a Bruno himself.

[@ayyymacaroni]

We don't talk about Bruno-I mean user animeturnMMD's grandfather

[@jeffreygao3956]

We don’t…but I DO!

[@garcello4591]

It’s important to see WHY Abuela Alma was so hard on her family. We don’t get to understand why Namaari took the gem.

[@Juel13]

They didn't make plain enough the pressure she had from her mother and her tribe. It was there, but not really expanded upon.

[@garcello4591]

@@Juel13 If this point was expanded on more and given more screen time, maybe Raya and the dragon would have been a better movie.

[@trevorsgamingroom5284]

Mainly because, “oo gem look cool, i want it mine now >:(!”

[@garcello4591]

@@trevorsgamingroom5284 This comment points out how little effort the creators of Raya and the dragon were.

[@nabila6716]

Ikr I'm honestly surprised that more people seem to miss that whole bit of nuance in the story and just jump to painting abuela as the "villan" when the IS no villan. The whole movie is a representation of the immigrant family expirence and all of the dynamics that manifest from that. We litterally watched this woman get her home village destroyed by colonizers,then see those same colonizers kill her husband right in front of her leaving her alone with three newborns and a whole village of traumatized displaced surviors to take care of. Alma never had the luxury of thinking about what she wanted, her mindset was that of survival,it's singled minded and doesn't leave room for emotion but that's why the her arc with mirabel is so powerful because that was probably the first time she had realized she could relax after being in fight mode for so long.

[@TFoxhound]

The message for Raya is "trust everyone even if they stabbed you in the back over n over"

[@yourdickisonfire7106]

Or groom you

[@dakat5131]

"In fact, even if you've trusted them with everything, you've still not trusted them enough and you should be ashamed" It's like yelling at a victim that everything is their fault even if there's nothing they could have done to deserve or avert that situation.

[@courtneyisanicon4699]

Is like theyre telling people to get back with their toxic ex

[@RiyanKarF]

The message is trust TF2 spies

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

Oof lmao

[@LordLucario12]

Having watched both of these basically back to back recently, I couldn't help but think Encanto succeeded so hard in every place Raya failed to the point where it seemed like the film makers looked at Raya and went "What if we took that and did the exact opposite?" So needless to say I'm excited to see what you have to say...and also tear Raya a new one

[@edizgunes]

These two movies weren't made by exact same people

[@RevyaAeinsett]

@@edizgunes And? People can't learn from the mistakes of others?

[@donkeykong3628]

Both movies were released in the same year, so I don't think that happened?

[@LordLucario12]

@@donkeykong3628 Yeah I know it didn't literally happen, but it felt like it to me.

[@marijamarcelic3149]

@@RevyaAeinsett well... *THAT WAS HIS MISTAKE!*

[@luluzin5022]

Movie: Trust is always the correct solution :) Audiences: But Raya trusted Namari at one point... And it plunged the world into ru- Movie: TRUST 👏 IS ALWAYS 👏 THE CORRECT 👏 SOLUTION

[@PandaorasBox]

I think what makes Abuela's apology so great, is that throughout the movie she's been proud and firm. She's so sure of her ways that she's blinded by it. But in the end, despite being so proud, she admits that her way was wrong. Mirabel helped her open her eyes. There's a joke that "the only thing unrealistic about this movie is that abuela admitted that she was wrong" which is funny, I guess. But the fact that she could apologize, despite everything, is something to live up to. It's also a good lesson. Not that apologizing makes everything better, but that even if you're deep into a lifestyle it's important to admit when you're wrong.

[@rocky4264]

Rewatched Encanto for the 3rd time last week, and it struck me how Abuela Alma realizing her faults and apologizing and healing the family is so rare in real life that it really is like a second miracle.

[@lilac3266]

adding on to this! the first line of the movie is “open your eyes” in spanish which is spoken by abuela. “Mira” means to see. “open your eyes” is also the last line said by alma to mirabel and in waiting on a miracle mirabel keeps repeating “open your eyes” while looking at abuela. a really cool motif of how this movie is about perspective

[@aestheticallynotexisting9871]

Pqp

[@acearohippo]

Often, in movies aimed for children, the message at the end is a solution children can understand and use themselves. But generational trauma/parental toxicity, is not something children can or should feel is something they can "fix". So, instead, the "solution" to be taken away is that the toxic person has to realise how damaging they are and take the steps to fix themselves. This Disney movie might be one of the few times that the final "moral lesson" of the movie is actually aimed at the adults who take their kids to see this, who might not be aware that they are damaging their relationships with unresolved trauma.

[@VampyBlood17]

I’ve said this once and I’ll say it again. ALMA IS AN EXAMPLE! Her apology might not be comparable to people’s real life situations but she’s meant to serve as an example for how to move past generational trauma and change the way people treat their family to live better lives together and not end up shutting each other out and ruining relationships forever

[@keuniichiwa]

The fact that, I, a Filipino, feels much more connected to Encanto than Raya (a movie that's supposed to represent my culture) just shows how much Encanto is stronger story-wise, without having to rely solely on the cultural aspect. Like wow, i did not expect a southeast asian like me would feel more represented in a hispanic centered film. I guess the amalgamation of SEA cultures is a reason as to why thats the case, to the point where it's not culturally familiar to me, personally. But Encanto, a culturally Colombian centered film, something i know nothing about, delves into issues that i know a lot of Filipino families also experience, that a lot of families from other cultures experience. Sure, the representation is immaculate but having good representation yet a weak story is just not enough. Raya doesn't even feel like a good representation for SEA nations (personally, at least), so the story being weak as well just hits the nail on the coffin.

[@amarasalsabila5369]

As an Indonesian I'm 1000% agree with you. I think Raya tried to emulate Avatar by mixing cultures across SEA to make new inspired cultures in a fantasy world, but rather failed terribly. For me, Raya's representation of SEA feels so shallow like they just slaps SEA names, foods, arts as much as they can and go with it, hoping that people won't see pass that.

[@cupcakemcsparklebutt9051]

The only thing filipino about Raya was the Arnis

[@enrater123]

Yep, what people don't seem to understand is that while representation is indeed important, it's not nearly as needed as having a good story that people can relate to/be inspired by

[@krnrkehjr3550]

Same, I hope they make another movie with Filipino culture that does better, but that’s asking for too much:(

[@Xinisterr]

Every fucking thing i was soo exasperated about raya he said it my man someone finally!!! That movie was a tragic mess. I was so excited for it to come out since it was some action animated movie by disney! which i thought was so refreshing and cool. But i was just left annoyed, irritated, speechless and just infuriated because of that bullshit trust message presented in the worst possible sceniro ever. Its just so wrong to show that she has to trust someone who has broken the trust countless times. Instead of the movie making raya wrong and sisu right, it should have been about sisu slowly realizing that some people just cannot be trusted.

[@wintertheampharos4725]

“Oh you just need to trust people” as someone with major trust issues, hearing this is both exhausting and infuriating. I would if I could, HAROLD, but after doing so, and some very traumatic comeuppance, I can’t trust anyone anymore.

[@Khardi_Bombardi]

Yes! Or when you are scared they just tell you don't be scared or my personal favourite, don't be anexious! Like saying that helps you in any way. Its condescending at best and traumatic for victim. Im happy I didn't waste money on Raya, since dragons are my favourite mystical creature I wanted to buy it. Thankfully I waited for reviews, even better, I will watch Enchanto!

[@m.syauqiabdurahman2798]

Yes It didn't help but it just adds up to the suspiciousness and the trust issue . For me , the more the word "You just need to trust more people" is said , the more you doubted to trust more people because like what this video say We can't trust everyone because we didn't know every person

[@pancakesstudios6351]

the most frustrating thing of all "OMG stop crying you're disturbing class" "Stop crying it's just a movie" "Let's bully this kid that always cries because they can't keep up" "It's a bad thing to cry when people are around" I live in the Philippines, where it's a combination of Southeast Asian and Spanish culture The movie I watched was The Little Prince. You cannot stop crying because of that message.

[@guto5285]

Imagine teach that kinda moral to a child in a world where a old man can offers candy inside his van to them

[@gamingvichi8675]

@@guto5285 nowadays you can't even trust your distant family parents. more movies should be made about how trust doesnt come with a high risk, yes with the low risk of the person actively trying to fool you. trust is something dangerous

[@ShootingStarStudio]

It's been said a lot but I love how Nerdrotic phrased it: You can communicate any message as long as you prioritize storytelling, but you can't get good storytelling when you prioritize the message.

[@lilliankelley6608]

One of my favorite small details from this movie: Alma wears a black shawl the entire time, the same one she wore after Pedro's funeral. She literally wears her grief on her shoulders, mourning her entire life and never letting it go, letting it constantly weigh her down and remind her of what she thinks she needs to do. It's only after she tells Mirabel about the past and enters the river with her that she takes the shawl off and sees the world for what it really is.

[@theonering2966]

It’s kinda wholesome tbh

[@Puppies03b3eleyyMichaelJackson]

Encanto is no where near my favorite Disney film, but I gotta admit that symbolism is on point all through that movie

[@Sarah-ml4fv]

I noticed this too! its like she never really stopped being in mourning

[@atemephii]

@@Puppies03b3eleyyMichaelJackson Same, the songs where my favorite ones though and I do have a few issues with the pacing with the reconciliation but the symbolism and everything that the showed and didn't tell are my favorite part of it.

[@corvusmonedula]

She doesn't wear it in a few scene before the ending

[@sonicwontletmeleave]

Oh boy. Raya got an Oscar nomination. It surely can’t ONLY be because it’s a Disney movie and if it were any other studio it wouldn’t of gotten any attention. Not at all.

[@kelsorangejoe3458]

if it wins im gonna rage

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

The Oscars lost me when they nominated Shark Tale instead of Spongebob the movie

[@pjdixon6199]

@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375, or when big hero 6 got nominated over The Lego Movie

[@erickmartinez5631]

At least Mitchells vs Machines is nominated

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

@@pjdixon6199 Big Hero 6 was fun but Lego Movie was hilarious and even if that was the case then HTTYD 2 should have won over Big Hero 6

[@lbchoc4]

The discussion about trust in Raya made me think of Tangled- Rapunzel starts out thinking the whole world is evil and scary, and comes to learn that people are kinder and more helpful than she initially thought, and that Gothel was really the one she should have been questioning. She doesn't just blindly trust everyone, though, since she knows the royal guards and those brothers are trying to capture Flynn. She learns to trust the people who care about her and stand up to the people who don't. So you can add Tangled to the list of Disney movies that have a better, more nuanced message about trust.

[@Lady_ETHNE]

Tangled partially raised me. I love that movie

[@Monie71793]

💯🥰

[@ezelfrancisco1349]

I think even the TV show made that point better than Raya

[@Saga_Anserum]

hell yeah say it louder for the people who forgot (like me)

[@tribal2199]

Raya and the Last Dragon seems like the kind of movie a dead beat/abusive parent would show to their kids on loop to brainwash them. See kids, no matter what I do, you need to trust me.

[@ayyymacaroni]

@@poppy-jb3st holy shartburgers it's propaganda

[@gaspoweredpick]

This is pretty accurate.

[@Faux_Sunlight]

Coco too. The message of that movie was “family always comes first even if they emotionally manipulate you and destroy your stuff and are extremely controlling and don’t value your privacy”

[@jeffreygao3956]

@@Faux_Sunlight Maybe.

[@bluebellsforever]

​@@Faux_Sunlightwas that the message ?! That sounds mean ! I thought the message was don't forget people who died.

[@dragonlynx9969]

Alma reminded me of Joy from Inside Out. Doing what she thought was right, keeping her family strong, but never realizing until everything crumbles around her that she was the problem all along. And the movie never tries to hide it. In Inside Out, all Riley wants is to cry but Joy won't let her. Encanto is similar. I mean, look at poor Pepa.

[@WhattheBeck]

i really like your analysis! I never realized that. i think i need to rewatch inside out

[@arturocastroverde3349]

She is a fusion between master shifu and carl fredericksen

[@dragonlynx9969]

@@WhattheBeck Yeah, Joy ostracizes sadness just like Alma does to Mirabel even though she's just as important as the other emotions. The movie never hides the fact that Joy is the problem. Not a villian, but an antagonist. When she's about to use the tube to return with sadness I thought she might just be learning that sadness is important but then her infamous line "I'm sorry. Riley needs to be happy." My jaw hit the floor when she abandons sadness. She doesn't apologize verbally at the end but I'm assuming she does off screen. Her expressions of regret and acceptance said it all. 🙂

[@Olivia-dg4fb]

Yeah she didn't mean to, yet that doesn't mean that what she did was okay. Her realizing that it was her that hurt her family, and after apologizing to the one person she hurt the most. She took it upon herself to help heal her family and earn their forgiveness.

[@geekwithapen1398]

@@dragonlynx9969 while a verbal apology is always preferable, I think of Joy handing Sadness the precious core memories (including the one she thought of as 'bad') that she wouldnt even let her near functioned as maybe not a full apology, but a huge act of love and acceptance

[@littlemeow124]

The most infuriating thing about raya is that sisu is constantly beating the moral of trusting others to raya's head when trusting naamari was what caused their society to collapse to begin with. I am surprised the writers didn't catch this.

[@littlemeow124]

As a side note, even though it's becoming a cliche now, the generational trauma plotline in encanto was honestly very well done and pretty subtle. Future movies are probably aren't gonna get it, though.

[@lasercraft32]

I'm surprised the writers didn't catch just _how many times_ they show how blind trust causes harm, only to treat it as a positive thing shortly after.

[@galten7361]

They were just doing a Steven Universe or New Star Wars or (other relevant example) where they use a mega murderous villain to make a point about forgiveness and redeeming and being the messiah and practicing sorta pacifism.

[@heathersmith4042]

@@lasercraft32 even in the ending, namari is shown about to flee with the stone shards and abandon raya's entire group to die. they put their blind trust in her for no reason at all, and the ONLY reason she stayed was because she realized she wasn't going to make it out, so might as well give the stone a try. even in the climax, blind trust nearly ended the world for the second time, and it's just- not addressed. i'd love to hear what the hell went wrong during the movie's writing period because clearly something did.

[@Inky_doodledoo]

​@@galten7361 the fact that 3 genocidal rocks had to fix by a child 💀

[@cyrpxcgamzr735]

So Sisu was that one person who believed everything they read on the internet

[@nightmarefanatic1819]

"Ooohhh, you have candy? Let me get into your white van with the extremely tinted windows to get some!"

[@cyrpxcgamzr735]

@@nightmarefanatic1819 👏👏👏👏👏

[@zgeonrbx4588]

Wow that is perfect analogy for her an idoit on the internet

[@cyrpxcgamzr735]

@@zgeonrbx4588 lol

[@funnyvideoguy3216]

The sad part is that would definitely be a joke they make in the movie

[@MisterDeplume]

Honestly, if the movie was about how Raya betrayed Namaari and that's how the world got effed up, I think it would've been a lot more compelling. Because now, it would be about her trying to fix things and win back Namaari's trust, which is understandably hard and makes Namaari's antagonistic nature a lot more reasonable.

[@eowynsisterdaughter]

Completely, I only saw the film recently, but it would 've worked much better if the roles were switched and Raya was a villain protagonist until she completes her character arc.

[@364-unbirthdays8]

Quick correction: Alma never shut Bruno out. That was the villagers! Bruno left of his own accord because he realized how bad it would look for Mirabel if he made his prophecy public (likely because of the villagers' views towards him, but also because of Alma's pressure). It's even hinted that one of the reasons why Alma talks down to Mirabel is because she never got over Bruno leaving- when she is confronting Mirabel after "What Else Can I Do?", she says "Bruno left because of YOU." This not only confirms that Bruno wasn't kicked out, but also reveals one of the likely roots of Alma's ostracization.

[@sonoio869]

And she permitted people she never met to ostricize her son into abandoning the town and than apologyzed by just giving him a hug even though he lived in the house walls for 15 years because of her, that is not hartworming if you think about that

[@ti9372]

@@sonoio869 10 years not 15, your point still stands there should've been a scene where they apologise to him...

[@364-unbirthdays8]

@@sonoio869 Never said she was particularly nice to him. She clearly put too much pressure on him, so much so that he chose to run away instead of, you know, TALKING to her. I just wanted to point it out, since a lot of people miss it.

[@sonoio869]

@@ti9372 but simply apologizing does not resolve the problem, in that case the family put the majority of the effort into forgiving her they had to voluntarely get over all the suffering she caused in order to accept her hug this easely, that is not so different compared to what happened in Raya

[@sonoio869]

@@364-unbirthdays8 and for all of this would i ask why? Her backstory makes this even worse, she cares less about what remains of her family rather than to everyone else.

[@VampyBlood17]

Also have to say that Alma had nothing to loose by apologizing to Mirabel. There were no high stakes where the end of the world depended on her apologizing to Mirabel. The family and village would’ve likely still followed her if she had let Mirabel go. But she CHOSE Mirabel. She CHOSE to look inside herself and accept the responsibility for the damage she had done. This was with her trauma over loosing her husband AND her age.

[@amel5469]

Only for fans over 18 years old beautyzone.cam/Sity tricks I do not know Megan: "Hotter" Hopi: "Sweeter" Joonie: "Cooler" Yoongi: "Butter So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that is lived today. Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım '' Erinder: '' Sezimdüü '' Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak '' Dene: '' Muzdak '' Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis. Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon. Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan. Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾 They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising 💗❤️💌💘

[@sircharima9082]

Not to mention having to literally face the trauma all over again because Mirabel ran away from home and ended up at the river where Pedro died. We don't really know if Alma ever visited the river again in the 50 years since Pedro died but nonetheless, it must've been really painful for her to do so. Alma cares about her granddaughter and repairing the hurt she caused so much, she faces her trauma head on instead of repressing or hiding it. I think that's admirable.

[@dustinwashburn1283]

When you have no external stimulus to push you to apologize for your mistakes, but you do anyway, that's the sign of good moral character in a person.

[@isabellek-q3183]

@@sircharima9082 Exactly and yes she hadn't been back since she said "i've never been able to come back here." I love this movie.

[@brolytriplethreat]

@@isabellek-q3183 the mountains had prevented her. When the candle died and Casita collapsed, the mountains cracked as well.(and if I recall, stayed cracked after everything was said and done?)

[@bookishwriter9460]

You're the first one actually noticing something I feel like people are not realizing about Alma, that she thinks she wasn't worthy of the miracle because her husband died. (Classic reaction to a situation where you survived while someone else died). In "the family madrigal" she says "We swear to always help those around us. To EARN the miracle that somehow found us". She still thinks she doesn't deserve having survived, much less being safe from those evil murderer people because of the miracle. That's why she pushes her family to serve others only, completely forgetting their own needs in the process, to cope with her guilt of having survived and being able to live a supposedly carefree life while her husband and probably many other people never got the chance to.

[@project__insanity]

So uh. . . Basically survivors remorse?

[@sud1881]

@@project__insanity yeah that’s the one

[@spiritthesnowyowl8948]

@@project__insanity Survivors Guilt

[@ayadoraha1731]

oh no What does that mean for mirabel-

[@katinamarnela3065]

Basic survivor syndrome stuff

[@JohnnyBGoode-jm4qp]

28:51 “She [Abuela Alma Madrigal] gives a full, honest apology and admits that everything is broken because of her. Which is something a SPINELESS, SNIVELLING COWARD LIKE NAMAARI could never do.” BEAUTIFUL. You perfectly captured exactly what I (and certainly many other viewers) think of Namaari. This video of yours carefully covers each area that demonstrates why Namaari never earnt our heroes´ forgiveness and trust. Contrastingly, if you look at the _Raya_ _And_ _The_ _Last_ _Dragon_ entry on TV Tropes, some writers victimblame Princess Raya.

[@betterchapter]

mirabel’s gift being bringing her family to reality was such a great peaceful resolution, but i really wish we saw what kind of room casita built for her! after all that work repairing generational trauma she deserves all the sewing machines and skeins of yarn she wants.

[@moonlightlupin5677]

Apparently the people working on the movie wanted a scene at the end of the movie where mirabel gets her own room at the end of the movie, it's a shame that it didn't get added in the movie

[@bonomael7902]

Mirabel 's gift is chronical depression

[@dr.braxygilkeycruises1460]

*Mirabel's room would most likely continue being the nursery.* You have to think of it like this: Abuela Alma lost her way. The Casita knew there had to be a new keeper of the magic, which is why Mirabel at age five touched the door knob and it disappeared. *That Wasn't Her Door. HER door would be the one leading into the NEW Casita* after the fouled foundation (Alma's attitude) had been broken and rebuilt. *Mirabel would be the new foundation because she loves each member of the family individually; she SEES each member for who they are. This means, the nursery, which is the foundational learning center of the family, would most likely remain her room since THAT is her gift and purpose.* She would stay there until she gets married.

[@internetlurker1850]

Tbh I don't think Mirabel getting a gift would hit right, y'know? Because the point of her not having a gift is an allegory for kids that aren't gifted and are disliked by their parents for it, and end up doubting themselves, she being important without having a gift, to me, is more satisfactory then her just getting a gift.

[@blu3_sue]

My headcanon is that mirabel will help any other kids in the nursery until she inherits abuelas room

[@HB00-c3t]

Another difference between Raya and Encanto is how successfully they pull off using a comedian as an important side character, with Sisu being extremely annoying and at time feels like a horribly failed attempt at re-doing Robin Williams's Genie, while Bruno is compelling, tragic, and still really funny character, without taking you out of the film or stealing focus

[@bibbidi4616]

But of course, Bruno’s actor also played Sid from ice age, the best and most important character within not just animated movies, movies in general, but all of fiction. Nothing less to be expected from Mr Leguizamo.

[@lennyfacebutnotreally3198]

I'd say that Camillo is the comic relief but he isn't really important so eh

[@citronime]

the man has 2 other alter egos, one with his hoodie and deeper voice and one *with a bucket* the man was obviously going a little crazy after leaving but not too much

[@realpunkfruit]

so many characters in encanto were even more "annoying" than sisu was

[@cristinitao]

@@realpunkfruit the only characters I found annoying in Encanto were those 3 kids interrogating Mirabel

[@brii6902]

One interpretation I had of Abuela Alma that made me more sympathetic to her (while of course not excusing her toxic behavior) is that she lost her home and her community was broken, perhaps by internal conflict. She wasn't just desperate to keep the miracle alive for the sake of the family image; she was afraid that if her community saw the rock was was her family start to crumble, fear and anxiety might break them apart and she would lose everything all over again. And judging by how the townspeople seemed to take the gifts for granted and are a bit hopeless without them, it's understandable that her mindset was reinforced over time. I think the community coming together to help the now miracle-less Madrigals is more poignant and meaningful than it's given credit for.

[@matehiqu9905]

Essentially, Alma built a pressure feedback loop, by pressuring herself to help the community, which leads to her pressuring the family to help the community, which leads to the community relying on the Madrigals for help and guidance, which leads to Alma pressuring the family to meet the expectations, and it kept going and going until the miracle died

[@AnakhaSilver]

Abuela felt she had to earn the miracle while being a single mother of triplet infants and the de facto leader while she had just lost her husband to murder right before her eyes, with no body to even recover because of the magical mountains.

[@SupremeViola]

And let's not forget that there is VERY REAL danger out there that the miracle is protecting them from. The mountains are actively protecting them from violence. They got lucky that the loss of the candle didn't make the mountains disappear, but they had no reason to believe the miracle ending wouldn't remove that protection.

[@TindraSan]

@@AnakhaSilver ... does that mean Pedro's remains are buried in the sand somewhere down the river?

[@piglin469]

to be fair you have a point

[@Justanidea5976]

I agree with everything you said, the ONLY issue I have with Encanto is that I think Bruno should've also had a moment where he got to vent to Alma like Mirabel did and to his other family members as well. I think his story line was concluded a bit too easily. He was hated by his family for so long and talked negatively about for so long that he even created characters out of inanimate objects and mainly got happiness from them more than his own family. So, while I do love the movie, I do think they rushed his angry to forgiveness arc a bit too fast.

[@bigpapamagoo8696]

Nemari just embodies a psychologically abusive friend who blames you for everything wrong and never admits when they’re in the wrong. She literally reminds me of a toxic friend I had in my childhood who constantly treated me like shit and took advantage of my kindness and generosity, and whenever I called her out on it she just threw it in my face and called me a bad friend for not being nicer to her. The entire movie feels like something a toxic friend would make to justify their actions.

[@julianmartinez4719]

I call someone like that Florencia Costello. She was one of the only friends i made in high school and also my lab partner alongside my best friend. She treated us like shit, convinced my best friend to abandone me for months, because she didn't want to tell me that she was mad that i was a bad lab partner. She even told the incompetent of the school counselor my family situation without my knowledge or consent, and blame all of that BULLSHIT on me.

[@jbcatz5]

Would you say she’s like Sasha from Amphibia? Prior to season three anyway.

[@zuperez2216]

I feel bad for you have a ❤ for your trouble and keep it as a good luck charm but digital :)

[@Sparkletta]

When I was in preschool, I was best friends with this manipulative little girl, who used to use me to give her everything she wanted, and if I refused she would threaten to unbefriend me. To think that even a five yr old could be so darn cunning is just....gah

[@julianmartinez4719]

@@Sparkletta that's the thing about evil; sometimes it's made, sometimes you're born with it.

[@siennahartle9069]

As someone who has experienced the exact same familial toxicity as the Madrigals, down to being spoken with almost the same words that Alma says to Mirabel, and generational trauma, Encanto hits very hard. The apology scene in particular is really hard for me to watch because I never got an apology from the family members who caused the most pain. I still love them but something will always be broken

[@cirquedefreak7329]

Super relatable. I think the argument where people say the family should’ve been cut off is invalid in this situation since Hispanic culture is extremely family oriented and even tho they hurt us we’ll always love them so it’s a double edged sword

[@melvv18]

@@cirquedefreak7329 Cutting off goes against story's message anyways. If Alma, knowing that she was playing a role in the family's toxicity didn't apologize for it, and refuse to change, cutting her off would make sense, but no she realize what she did, apologize and started to make changes to help the family.

[@cyrusdimalaluan0517]

who is alma

[@zkolii]

@@cyrusdimalaluan0517 Abuela.

[@Sabartio]

@@cirquedefreak7329 Not every Hispanic or Latino person still loves their family. My mother had to cut off her side due to abuse and this is something that needs to be more normalized... Family love in our culture is a double edged sword; no one should feel forced to stay with a family that doesn't treat them humanely.

[@keepmovingforward5835]

As a South East Asian, I’m really sad and frustrated that I forgot about the movie that gave me “representation” completely because of the awful pacing and mixed theme while I will forever remember Encanto for a relatable and profound message. I’m truly happy for Colombian people for getting an amazing movie with proper representation!

[@LYNN-id9rb]

"Proper representation" is all yall be getting nowadays. That's the path these stuidos are going, just one hop from culture to culture rather than being actually diverse and just treating different cultured people in one big group normally

[@keepmovingforward5835]

@@LYNN-id9rb I totally agree with you on this, I watched Xiran Jay Zhao's first video on Raya yesterday and had a crisis on how Disney mashed South East Asian countries into one movie and how much of a monopoly they have become that they'd even have a diversity checklist in the first place. I'm happy that Encanto focused solely on Colombian culture rather than trying to cram all of South American countries into one movie.

[@beans00001]

I’m Southeast Asian and still think that Encanto is leagues better than Raya. I mostly don’t care for representation in movies, just for how good the movie is.

[@emmaknox5781]

ikr, i was pretty disappointed in the quality of the movie when i was so interested in its representation. still holding onto hope for a better southeast asian movie in the future tho

[@johncamiloramirez815]

Gracias hermano, thanks bro. Love from colombia

[@defectivedimensions4369]

There's another very important, and rather unfortunate reason why Raya's message failed, while Encanto's succeeded: It's easier to fix a broken family, than a broken world. Unfortunately, it's not that the world can't get along, so much as it doesn't want to get along. The world's issues aren't as simple as a mere lack of trust like in Raya. As nice as the movie's message is, our world just can't attain that, mostly because it doesn't want it. I mean, just take what's currently going on in the East for example. No, it's a lot easier to mend family bonds than it is to mend a broken planet.

[@mattmanpro]

Very true...and yet we need to mend our broken planet, and we need stories that engage with that. That's what Raya is trying to do while obeying the conventions of single-character narratives (which really are the only kinds of stories we actually respond to). Of course it's reductive, but I admire its ambition. I give Raya real credit for trying to tell a story about repairing the world, precisely because it is so hard to do so. And at its heart, I think the message is right. It's not trust, exactly, but radical outreach-trying to bridge the divide in spite of everything, knowing they don't deserve your trust and yet knowing that someone has to make the first move. That really is the only way we ever can begin to repair the world. An eye for an eye really does make the whole world blind.

[@jeffreygao3956]

A truly easy solution would be making everyone part of the Non-Aligned Movement.

[@JoeyTDoesThings]

_I was given a miracle._ _A second chance._ _And I was so afraid to lose it._ _Until I lost sight of who our miracle was for._ _And for that, I'm so sorry_ _You never hurt this family, Mirabel._ _We are broken because of me._ This dialogue from Encanto genuinely made me tear up.

[@dapperdude1550]

Abuela. I can finally see… You lost your home. Lost… _everything._ You suffered so much, all alone… … *so it would never happen again.* We were saved because of you. We were given a miracle because of you. We are a family because of *YOU.* And nothing could ever be broken that we can’t fix… *…together.* I asked my Pedro for help. Mirabel… *He sent me you.* Disney movies rarely make me want to tear up, but this scene was able to make me do exactly that.

[@aevelq]

The song they played before made me ugly cry. Fr. This line along with it too

[@ps4pro668]

That scene really hit hard. I do like how they brighten the mood a bit by having Bruno ride in on a horse saying it wasn’t Mirable’s fault, unaware that they already crossed that bridge

[@spencerke6941]

Just reading the dialogue made me tear up. So much emotion behind those words

[@skyler_twilight128]

This part really hit me hard, I didn't need to cry again

[@artemiswolf4508]

You know they botched Naamari and Raya’s arc because they’re two attractive women in a friends to enemies dinamic who sword fought while exchanging quips…. and barely anybody on tumblr ships them. The She-ra market was STARVING and they couldn’t even capitalize on it. Thats a whole new level of failure right there.

[@Monochrome2004]

i didn even notice this until your comment and damn you're right

[@aidankocherhans9861]

This might be the MOST telling sign that they screwed up with this movie

[@onesetofpajamas3873]

Holy shit you're right

[@BoxOKittens]

I mean I ship them but only in the 'it works in the AU in my head' kind of way lol

[@aaaah540]

I wish I could like this comment twice.

[@Omahdon]

Forget superhero movies or one-man army action flicks: being able to reconcile with one's parental figures and extract a modicum of understanding and apology is MY power fantasy and Encanto delivered it in SPADES

[@Call-me-Al]

Yeah, Encanto is so wonderfully unrealistic. It's definitely one of my most favorite movies ever. To see generational trauma so completely solved.

[@karsun8733]

Encanto was to simplified for my liking. The Abuela has abused members of this family for generations, so much so that her own son faked his death to get away from her. When Maribel finally calls out the Abuela she gets an apology that lasts all of 2 minutes. The worst thing about it for me was that there were no consequences for anybody in the family. Everybody gets their gift back and Maribel is still stuck without one. It would have been much better if everyone had lost their gift but they were okay with that because they had their family and thats all that mattered. Instead nobody suffers any consequences and Mirabel is still excluded from the family cus shes the only one without a gift.

[@aeircrown7994]

@@karsun8733 bro, this is Latino culture, the fact the abuela, an older generation apologise is the only unrealistic thing this movie wonderfully made of, and taking away the gift of madrigal remove the core message that you don't need a gift to be special.

[@amanofnoreputation2164]

"...reconcile with one's paternal figures." This is what the entire world needs right now: to reconcile with the collective paternal figures.

[@Call-me-Al]

@@amanofnoreputation2164 True reconciliation happens on all ends, not just the ones who were wronged. If those who perpetuated it refuse to take responsibility for their actions, then there can be no reconciliation because they refuse to be part of it.

[@Yashael341]

Namari: "I didn't mean for any of this to happen!" Ok, but you meant to betray us. Twice. And both times, you effed the whole world. This is a direct result of what you MEANT to do. You knew it was bad. Why should I care if you didn't want it to be THIS bad?

[@kiwimusume]

“Us”? She didn’t betray YOU. She’s a narrative tool who basically represents countries that your country is at war with. And yes, there are cases like Russia and Ukraine where there’s a clear villain and victim, but there are plenty of others where both countries have committed violence against each other and civilians are caught in the crossfire. Think of it like Americans who think 9/11 justified bombing three countries.

[@spectre9340]

These two movies portray different messages that involve forgiveness. Raya tells the audience that if someone betrays you, you should be the bigger person and try to trust them again even if they haven't actually apologized. With Encanto, you can understand why someone hurts you and still not be obligated to forgive them right away, instead, letting them make amends. At best, Raya has poor writing. At worst, it's perpetuating a toxic mindset.

[@thedeathskeleton4957]

Raya's message is unfortunately even worse than that. It's more or less: "Even if someone destroys your family, your life, and the world, you should still blindly trust them. It's the right thing to do kids, trust me *wink*." It's an actual dangerous message, that hopefully has not actually hurt anyone. This movie's writing is like a villain giving the worst "trust me" line to a person, that's already in a coma because of them.

[@iclynnx]

Honestly I don't dislike Sisu and Raya as characters, but gosh I hate that message. My own family has broken my trust. My dad has practically yelled in my face that I'm selfish and has often scoffed when he saw gay people on TV, back when I was a kid. Now I know I'm lesbian myself. This movie basically tells me to _not_ walk on eggshells to avoid being insulted straight to my face by my mildly narcisstic father.

[@reniefuwa]

Yeah, that was the first thing I noticed in the end. Namari should have been the one to give up her shard, first. Raya doing it first came off as more like "Fine, I'm tired of fighting anymore; if we die, we die."

[@dobbysboggart6883]

Scholoryteller has a great video revising Raya's story.

[@jayvishnuvenkatesh870]

@@thedeathskeleton4957 I believe that's half the message. Recall the situation they were in when she trusted her. No1 had anything else to lose. And when u have nthg to lose if ur trust is gonna be broken, it's alright to trust them. Cuz what if, just what if it works... and by nthg else to lose I literally mean it. Even though the others were fighting still having the last courage to fight the druun , Raya did this all the save her dad, and now without Sisu, she was killed inside. Now she thinks there is no way to get her ba back and so she has nthg to lose(she didn't care abt herself at all, her only intention was to bring her ba back).

[@jamiefesus2839]

My favorite part about Encanto's message of toxic family members changing is that it presents a fantastical, simplified, yet valid and complete roadmap for how to actually do that. For the toxic person: take ownership, apologize, and express yourself honestly without guilt trips or deflecting. For the wronged person: listen, connect, acknowledge both the apology and the good in the toxic person, and offer forgiveness but not immediate trust. For both: work together to rebuild trust and the relationship from the ground up. The Madrigals LITERALLY rebuild their magical house, without their gifts, with the help of the community, the same way you rebuild a broken relationship in the real world with therapy, hard work, and support from the rest of your family and friends. And at the end, Alma and Mirabel both acknowledge that they're still not "done" - they're not perfect. But they love and understand each other and have a foundation of trust, so in the future when Abuela falls back into overbearing habits - they'll be able to deal with it. That is VERY real, and the experience I've had with my own loving, well meaning, but sometimes overbearing and toxic mother who has grown and changed so much over the years. And I've been able to understand her trauma and why she acts the way she does.

[@WobblesandBean]

I still think it was too little, too late. Be honest: Had the house not crumbled, do you think Alma would have apologized to Mirabel? Frankly, I don't think she would have. I got the distinct impression that she was only sorry cuz she finally saw consequences for her actions. Had the house (and the super powers) stayed intact, I think she'd have continued being awful.

[@sunshineyrainbows13]

Beautifully said. I agree completely. I honestly think anyone who disagrees is just projecting too hard on the situation and thus holding on to their bitterness. We gotta repair and forgive to heal, mates.

[@Laura-zc6rm]

@@WobblesandBean i dont think so? Alma doesnt seem the type to need a whole destruction of the community to apologize. The house being destroyed is a symbolism of everything she has tried to protect succumbing to destruction, all because of her. If the house would have stayed intact Alma still needs to deal with the bombshell of 'the miracle is dying because of you', and not only that but half of the family taking side with Mirabel. The resuly wouldnt be as quick but it would still be the same

[@jimshotfirst4887]

@@WobblesandBean bear in mind that the house cracking and crumbling is directly representative of the state of the family. Alma didn’t realize she was the problem because the house was destroyed; the house was destroyed because Alma realized she was the problem. (Not to imply that Alma is the sole factor there-the house clearly reacts to the whole family and not just her-but her realization was the final breaking point.)

[@jupiterzombies]

@@jimshotfirst4887 i saw the house crumbling with mirabel's words as her message sinking in and finally breaking down alma's walls, showing them crumbling and revealing to her (and the rest of the family) the hard truth. yet ultimately casita, all broken down, still tries to protect mirabel because there's love left in the foundation. the house represents abuela herself and the state of the family at the same time, imo.

[@cartooncrazy9883]

The thing about abuela is that she hurt everyone *because* she cared (doesn't make it right, in case anyone is gonna misunderstand me). The miracle is the only reason she has her family, and she has already lost her family without it, so she focused so hard on keeping the miracle alive that she lost sight of like. The whole point of family. Its why it was so easy to "redeem" her, because its not that she didn't care. She just needed to open her eyes. God I love this movie TwT

[@sonoio869]

Perhaps it should be written as: "that's why it was so easy for her to say sorry." And most importan it doesnt make everyone around her owe her forgiveness

[@sonoio869]

@cry baby yes, what i was saying is, she could not be forgiven the moment she said sorry, but after having to prove she atoned for her sins; but the movie never shows that, and the message becomes, forgive your relatives even when other had to live in horrible conditions (Bruno) for her and to consider their trauma more important than the victim's. That is not far different than the "the victim has to do the first step in terms of trust" from Raya

[@Kailyee2009]

That last part stems back to Mirabel’s song “Waiting On A Miracle” where she says to Alma “open your eyes”. It was great foreshadowing

[@fatalblue]

Exactly. Because her own trauma wasn't resolved she becamed tunneled vision in her effort to protect her home, family & community. She never meant to hurt her family, didn't even realized she was hurting them until it was spelled out to her. It makes perfect sense that when it finally sunk in that she was at fault she would do what she needed to correct this issue.

[@cartooncrazy9883]

@@fatalblue plus the reason that no one knew anything was wrong is because they all have the same coping mechanism - to pretend nothing is wrong! (Including abuela!)

[@hariman7727]

The sad things about Encanto is that many families who have such a crisis with an overbearing grandmother (either narcissistic or traumatized into abusiveness) DON'T get a happy reconciliation montage, and instead just slowly drift apart... especially after the grandmother is gone. Without being trapped in the Encanto, most families like this bleed members off and split over the years. Ask me how I know.