How a Katana Swordsman destroys a Rapier Swordsman!

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@BashoftheMonth
@BashoftheMonth Жыл бұрын
One of the more important techniques that katana users often overlook for dealing with a longer weapon is to leave you sword on the boat and bring your oar along instead.
@simonklein4687
@simonklein4687 Жыл бұрын
I understood that reference.
@peterchristiansen9695
@peterchristiansen9695 Жыл бұрын
By arriving by boat (infuriatingly late!) Musash.. eeeh a samurai would also bypass that pesky bridge that Matt keeps banging on about! 😁
@GrandDawggy
@GrandDawggy Жыл бұрын
The version I heard the ore was carved into a bokken tho that would probably take longer than a boat ride
@peterchristiansen9695
@peterchristiansen9695 Жыл бұрын
@@GrandDawggyWhich only contributed to how late said duellist was! Psychological warfare at its simplest and best, it could be argued… 😁
@GrandDawggy
@GrandDawggy Жыл бұрын
@@peterchristiansen9695 oohh I see that makes sense thanks for clarifying this for me
@t_e_i
@t_e_i Жыл бұрын
Matt: "I hope this have been useful" Time traveller preparing for a trip to 1600s Japan: "Just what I needed"
@tomhirons7475
@tomhirons7475 Жыл бұрын
Take into account armour worn ??
@jiffypoo5029
@jiffypoo5029 Жыл бұрын
Videos like this actually are pretty useful. Fiction writers and videogame creators use videos like this to try and make their stories feel more accurate.
@SuperFizzah
@SuperFizzah Жыл бұрын
If nothing else, it makes my overactive mind happy knowing these things :)
@nawm8
@nawm8 Жыл бұрын
​@@tomhirons7475If both sides are on swords, likely none. Battles favored long sticks and boom sticks and swords would generally be a sidearm.
@JamesSmith-ny2gb
@JamesSmith-ny2gb Жыл бұрын
And despite being trained in rapier fencing has no battle experience starts on a battle hardened samurai
@fattiger6957
@fattiger6957 Жыл бұрын
Obviously the katana wielder should spend 3 episodes explaining his technique and power levels
@vedymin1
@vedymin1 Жыл бұрын
Also screaming while powering up his ultimate sheathed attack :)
@DresGarB
@DresGarB Жыл бұрын
With various flashbacks and a few dramatic scenes that for some reason are not colored.
@Jaanikins
@Jaanikins Жыл бұрын
And then go over his backstory
@Pavlos_Charalambous
@Pavlos_Charalambous Жыл бұрын
Then starting again screaming something very dramatic
@Lurklen
@Lurklen Жыл бұрын
He's also got to do that thing where he "loads a strike", priming his weapon so that it inexplicably clicks, and a gleam shines along the blade. I mean if he manages to get that technique off he can basically one shot a tank or Godzilla.
@Benjanuva
@Benjanuva Жыл бұрын
As a rapier user who frequently spars with sabers, once they take that bind I have very little control over my sword.
@arthurlara4282
@arthurlara4282 Жыл бұрын
Distance and footwork
@jonathanh4443
@jonathanh4443 Жыл бұрын
True, the fight is done once you give away the bind as they should be charging past your point. Your job as the Rapierist is first to disengage and threaten when they move to bind. This plays to your weapon and keeps them on the defensive.
@Kinetic.44
@Kinetic.44 Жыл бұрын
So they can run into your dagger... always have your left hand dagger with the rapier. It's the fastest, most offensive weapon set there is.
@tuseroni6085
@tuseroni6085 Жыл бұрын
learn to disengage, also learn the derobement, when they go in to take the bind you can go around their blade, this can send their blade out of line briefly and give you an opening, combine a derobement with a lung (think in 3 dimensions, going around the blade WHILE moving inwards) can take advantage of that opening.
@Benjanuva
@Benjanuva Жыл бұрын
@@tuseroni6085 I have been practicing Giganti's disengage. My club has determined that my blade is divided into 3 parts. The strong, the weak, and the ethereal point.
@heinrich4208
@heinrich4208 Жыл бұрын
This is maybe a part of why rapier and dagger became popular, not just for parrying but also because a dagger might be more useful in grappling distance.
@tommyscott8511
@tommyscott8511 Жыл бұрын
Aren’t Katana’s also commonly used with a shorter wakizashi? It’d be cool to see this kind of fight break down from swords to short blades
@victxbr
@victxbr Жыл бұрын
​@@tommyscott8511The Difference is that you utilize Rapier and Dagger at the same time, the Katana was a Two Handed weapon, so the guy needed to put the Katana and Draw the Wakizashi
@peterchristiansen9695
@peterchristiansen9695 Жыл бұрын
@@victxbrNot really; several schools have different techniques for dual wielding of the daishō. Including drawing wakizashi while holding katana. Or did you mean something else? 🙂
@GrandDawggy
@GrandDawggy Жыл бұрын
​@@peterchristiansen9695a fellow book of five rings fan?
@peterchristiansen9695
@peterchristiansen9695 Жыл бұрын
@@GrandDawggyCannot be completely ruled out! ⚔️🤓
@stormrhode2330
@stormrhode2330 Жыл бұрын
I practiced kenjutsu for 10 years and this very question has popped into my mind multiple times and in actuality, I reached essentially all the same conclusions as you. That being said, it can be really freaking hard. I've never duelled against a rapier, but those a freaking fast. Closing the distance as fast as possible is essential, but once you've done so, the shorter sword/weapon does have an advantage for sure. One of my biggest gripes about a lot of kenjutsu is how myopic they can be about the opponent. It seems very rare that other weapon types are addressed; seems like it's almost always another sword. I don't know if this is the same in other martial arts. If you haven't seen it, Weaponism is a pretty badass channel where you can see some really good sparring between various types of weapons. It's a Korean channel, but they provide English subtitles and they have tons of guests on versed in various styles with various weapons, though the main martial artists have a kenjutsu background, I believe.
@admirable_kon5083
@admirable_kon5083 11 ай бұрын
I practiced Iaijutsu for a while and my older coleagues, as well as my master, would have some Katori-ryu kata up their sleeves, to show and understand how different schools often portrayed different mindsets and techniques. What stood out in Katori, for me, was how they had kata where they would be defending against kusarigama and attacking someone in full armor, which is pretty refreshing! I also liked how in Katori-ryu, there's a lot of moving around and purposefully being at an angle towards the opponent, in order to make yourself a leaner target, harder to strike... But you are totally right! Most kata and schools focus on sword vs sword action!
@paperclipcereal5896
@paperclipcereal5896 9 ай бұрын
It very much depends on the school. In Kukishin ryu we do sword and spear, so there's a lot of crossover between the two weapons. But then Kukishin ryu is more of a spear school than a sword school.
@Wiseman501
@Wiseman501 9 ай бұрын
I have the most hours behind the katana amongst all swords, but had the privilege of training with an olympic fencer who brought me up a level or two on my rapier use. We would spar often with mismatched weapons and I found that early on, before he memorized my patterns, I had the advantage with katana over rapier in most bouts by using a bind or attacking the weapon with a lot of fast cuts across the center line from unpredictable directions as I closed to knock his point off center and create a lot of pressure. A katana is overall a faster sword than a rapier, believe it or not, and they do better under high pressure as you close (Rapiers hate pressure). All of that being said, after weeks of doing this together we started coming out about 40/60 with him in the lead after he memorized my flow patterns and knew when to riposte. In the end, it all depends what tool is best for the job. Rapiers are probably superior in duels, but katana is better most everywhere else; Indoors, in a melee, in a surprise situation, close up... Katana also has a sneaky trick to extend the thrust distance to be on par with a rapier, which is handy sometimes.
@TalesForWhales
@TalesForWhales Жыл бұрын
Deladier wrote that a strong beat generally fortells a straight thrust and a soft beat means the beater intends to disengage because a strong beat can force the blade in the way of the disengage. He also warns of not asserting too much force in the bind as it will alert the opponent to disengage before you are ready to attack from opposition.
@addictedtochocolate920
@addictedtochocolate920 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making me feel less terrified of rapier fencers, Matt! I still don't like my odds if i have to face one. Rather do it with a Nodachi just to make me feel a bit more secure.
@vicnighthorse
@vicnighthorse Жыл бұрын
If you have to face one for real, just use a gun. You still might get skewered if they somehow get close before you notice them, but a firearm will regain the reach advantage for you😏
@addictedtochocolate920
@addictedtochocolate920 Жыл бұрын
​@@vicnighthorsei was thinking more in terms of a friendly sparing match. If it's for real, I'll probably just make a tactical retreat into less favorable grounds for them(?
@ilcuzzo12
@ilcuzzo12 Жыл бұрын
Isn't a nodachi even heavier and slower?
@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699
@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699 Жыл бұрын
@@ilcuzzo12 yes but with good biomechanics it can be moved very efficiently
@vicnighthorse
@vicnighthorse Жыл бұрын
@@addictedtochocolate920 The "terrified" part and Matt saying "do to not die" made me suspect you/we were talking about something more serious than a sparring match. My first martial arts instructor's favorite saying was "if attacker has fist, sensei wants knife, if attacker has knife, sensei wants gun". He could get away with such mock Japanese talk because it was the '80s. And, me too, for a real sword fight I'd certainly flee, if possible, no matter what sort of swords we both had😲
@NexusNoxCS
@NexusNoxCS Жыл бұрын
This is actually incredibly useful for me. No, I do not do any martial arts or HEMA or kendo. No, I do not own a single sword. But! I am a writer and to describe and imagine a sword fight authentically is to understand an incredible amount of context. And to make any kind of fight interesting you have to figure out in-the-moment motivations of the characters. This is exactly the kind of demonstration I find invaluable for niche and extremely specific topics that happen to come up in creative writing. Thanks, Matt, it was informative and entertaining! Cheers!
@GarrettPetersen
@GarrettPetersen Жыл бұрын
Glad these resources exist for the next generation of writers! Even fairly recent fantasy novels, like Game of Thrones, suffer from a lack of knowledge about pre-modern combat.
@addictedtochocolate920
@addictedtochocolate920 Жыл бұрын
Yes, the main use i give these is in my stories. I do also practice kenjutsu though; gives you a better understanding of how the weapon feels. My story also involves innumerable cultures with distinctive weapons and languages, so, as you might imagine, absurd amounts of study and research are needed. Maybe I'm a bit obsessed with realism in all fronts.
@williamvesey3679
@williamvesey3679 Жыл бұрын
Ditto on that. I'm writing a high fantasy set in early Kamakura Japan and this is very valuable info.
@j.f.fisher5318
@j.f.fisher5318 Жыл бұрын
There can be a lot of internal drama to feeling that moment and summoning the willful commitment to take it, especially against a fighter who may be have more reach, be faster and/or more skilled. In reality it all happens in a split second when the moment of decision is reached, while exploring those thoughts and feelings can slow down the action.
@TroySpace
@TroySpace Жыл бұрын
Matt Easton does something brilliant here and creates a useful metaphor: the bridge. It's a great shortcut to use in writing because readers can relate to the peril of a rickety bridge moreso than some HEMA or kendo terms. Unsolicited swordfight writing advice dump follows. Accuracy is great but it can mess with the flow. Robert Heinlein's Glory Road uses fencing terms to describe the final fight without giving time to the readers to understand what they are (insert training montage), and the protagonist thinks about a dangerous technique and then, without thinking about it, pulls it off to win the fight. Which would be good but works out a bit anticlimactic, because the winning move is described as "yeah so then I just did that and skewered the guy". Last Samurai where Tom Cruise gets jumped was a pretty good way to unpack "what the hell just happened" and you can even build tension into that because, in that instance (as Matt Easton says), the character might not even realise they're cut. So they might replay the fight in their mind and then suddenly feel blood running down their side. And then jump-cut to where the one enemy got a cut or thrust in. There are plenty of ways to describe swordfights without devolving into the written equivalent of the Marvel CGI boss fight. You control time and detail, so you can describe what happens at lightning speed without breaking up pacing. Abstractification slows things down, while physicality speeds it up. Working through emotions and memory doesn't slow things down, especially if the character is not aware of them: as a writer, you don't have to catalogue everything they perceive. You can dip into omniscient or distant perspective to describe eg the readiness of their muscles to parry a certain way (which may get them killed), etc. You can break up the fight, and have the fighters disengage or forced apart by the environment. As a writer, this can be anything: another fighter bumps into them (melees are hugely chaotic), a grenade going off, a ship's timber falling between them, a sudden wave etc. Then they have time to reflect on what just happened, seek advantage.
@lucanic4328
@lucanic4328 Жыл бұрын
A good suggestion would be to look into kenjutsu techniques against spears as well
@TheBaconWizard
@TheBaconWizard Жыл бұрын
And Kobudo!
@notlegit69
@notlegit69 Жыл бұрын
Just mikiri counter'em
@nikeimizhongtomasch1880
@nikeimizhongtomasch1880 Жыл бұрын
Katana user has to remember and monologue about the promises to his friends, stuggle agaisnt abusive father, and the death of his mother to a ninja raid before attacking. It leaves a lot time for the rapier guy to eat a sandwich and lower his guard.
@ShuajoX
@ShuajoX Жыл бұрын
Really awesome video! Fun to see explanations of the martial applications for each sword's features.
@stonecoldscubasteveo4827
@stonecoldscubasteveo4827 Жыл бұрын
2:10 "...what the rapierist can do to come out of the fight...undead." Matt Easton is a necromancer confirmed.
@ved2360
@ved2360 4 ай бұрын
The rapier is a gateway to powers some would consider . . . unnatural.
@Jonsson474
@Jonsson474 10 ай бұрын
I believe most people who do comparisons like this assume that rapiers are stabbing weapons only. They are not. A battle ready rapier is also a good cutter where only small wrist actions are enough to make substantial cuts to an unarmed body part. I believe this misconception is due to the fact that practitioners of historical fencing are only using practice weapons.
@Poohze01
@Poohze01 Жыл бұрын
I was competing in a fencing tounament many years ago where Australia's top Olympic fencer got a broken foil thrust into his chest that punctured a lung, and it took an astonishing amount of persuasion to get him off the piste and into the ambulance. I learned a lesson about the paradox of thrusts that day...
@SaraphDarklaw
@SaraphDarklaw Жыл бұрын
I was a fencer in high school and I lunged at my opponent. I got him in the clavicle, just above where his plate was but below the padding of his helmet. He instantly collapsed and his dad scolded me. He said I could’ve killed him with something like that. He was just bruised but the whole thing kind of traumatized me. I quit fencing pretty soon after that.
@def1ghi
@def1ghi Жыл бұрын
And THAT is why you should wear a chest protector even in Olympic fencing
@foldionepapyrus3441
@foldionepapyrus3441 Жыл бұрын
@@SaraphDarklaw That Father was understandably upset at having the mortality of his child presented to him like that, but any contact sport comes with risks... If you are going to allow your child to play them (and you should if they want to and you can afford/borrow the right protective equipment) you have to accept its possible they will get hurt or even die. The only reason to take it out on anybody else is if they are really, deliberately not playing by the rules that are supposed to keep everyone safe, otherwise accidents happen, deal with it. Heck just doing a pretty low intensity Rugby tackle practice I broke a guys kneecap - didn't even hit him that hard or in a bad place, just a case of two fairly large teenagers impacting each other and I presume his studs stuck and bent his leg backwards a bit (I was the more athletic and probably heavier by a bit, but he wasn't tiny by any stretch). I didn't even know I'd hurt him, seemed like a normal tackle to me. So I just got up and went back to position. Though everyone else I think must have heard or seen something in his face as they all knew long before I'd turned back to see him still down.
@SargentSkroonk
@SargentSkroonk Жыл бұрын
As a mostly longsword practitioner, I must admit that I must apply twice the effort to defeat rapier vs longsword. Rapier is a superior and more advanced weapon. With a buckler or dagger, the rapier is quite formidable. I would try to overmatch a rapier by dual wielding sideswords/messer (case).
@epremeaux
@epremeaux Жыл бұрын
dual wielding sideswords or arming swords is my favorite thing.. though im getting more into buckler just a a practical sense.. its.. easier ;) Dual wielding equal length weapons tends to shift focus back to cuts a bit (ive been training to add more thrusts back in, especially left handed). I would say dual wielding arming swords is one of the BETTER forms to take against a polearm or rapier. Or at least more fun ;) As the short weapon user, you really want to assert control BEFORE you step into their measure and git yourself pinned. Theres more you can do at that "tip to tip" range than you can do sword and buckler or sword and dagger. And it takes them a long time to get used to the idea that while they are paying attention to your "main sword", there's another one cutting up low to high on their right side.
@Xiong-f2l
@Xiong-f2l Жыл бұрын
I don't think rapier would have been very effective in war. The enemy is going to be wearing armor so I don't think it would be that good.
@tomvhresvelg9286
@tomvhresvelg9286 11 ай бұрын
But 2Hs look cooler in game. But was 2H sword not that efficient in reality?
@immortal_shrooms6757
@immortal_shrooms6757 2 ай бұрын
@@Xiong-f2lthat's true, but who really heavily relied on their sword during wars?
@thinusconradie4297
@thinusconradie4297 Жыл бұрын
I am repeatedly stunned by Matt's gift for spiking my interest in topics which I had not initially felt any interest. You are a great presenter, Matt, apart from being a super insightful historian and athelete.
@chasecarter8848
@chasecarter8848 Жыл бұрын
Rapier: Ha ha! It seems my blade has pierced your groin! Katana: Indeed, but your arm is off!
@peterchristiansen9695
@peterchristiansen9695 Жыл бұрын
Typical for the European to go for the low blow - yet still ending up short-handed… 😁
@u.v.s.5583
@u.v.s.5583 Жыл бұрын
Rapier: So you will be able to write poetry and play violin while I sleep with your wife!
@peterchristiansen9695
@peterchristiansen9695 Жыл бұрын
@@u.v.s.5583Katana: Ooh no! Well, touché my Brother… 😁
@ThefrenziedMercury
@ThefrenziedMercury 9 ай бұрын
​@@u.v.s.5583Katana: let's see how you make sex without your precious lunges.
@jonathanmora8208
@jonathanmora8208 6 ай бұрын
NOT THE GROIN!!!!
@fattiger6957
@fattiger6957 Жыл бұрын
I assume the circumstances of this hypothetical fight completely changes if the rapier fighter has an offhand weapon like a buckler or parrying dagger?
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria Жыл бұрын
Yes it does.
@addictedtochocolate920
@addictedtochocolate920 Жыл бұрын
They do. I think i wrote a comment explaining how many rapier fencers will pair their rapier with a dagger, in which case you need to avoid getting too close by all means.
@peterchristiansen9695
@peterchristiansen9695 Жыл бұрын
This is true - so a clever samurai might consider also brandishing his wakizashi. The standard length of which would probably be somewhat longer than a period European left hand dagger. My ideal scenario would be that the combatants go: "This is all rather silly, isn’t it? Let’s go down to the pub instead…" 😁
@addictedtochocolate920
@addictedtochocolate920 Жыл бұрын
​@@peterchristiansen9695using Daishō might be effective, but you're losing the strength and leverage advantage katanas give you against one handed swords. It can work, you just need to be conscious of your game plan and understand you're still at a disadvantage
@teeprice7499
@teeprice7499 Жыл бұрын
Or if the samurai has been trained to also fight with the wakizashi...
@svdumitrescu
@svdumitrescu Жыл бұрын
Amazing speaker. Neat English, fluency, intonation, logic. A pleasure to listen. Whether interested in swords or not.
@swordsman1062
@swordsman1062 Жыл бұрын
I LITERALLY just finished your last video and commented that I want to see this one, then closed the window and saw this post! Insane response time you got there lol
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria Жыл бұрын
Hope you enjoyed it!
@swordsman1062
@swordsman1062 Жыл бұрын
@@scholagladiatoria half way through, loving it so far. Ever since the first time I saw a proper rapier at my HEMA club I’ve wondered how I would handle that fight if I had my longsword. I figured the katana advice would be comparable, and I appreciated that you pointed that out explicitly. This is giving me a lot to think about, so thank you! Another topic you touched on which I am also fascinated by is the pros/cons for the katana user for approaching one/two handed. I have a personal fascination with hand-and-a-half length European “bastard” swords, and it occurred to me the other day that my Katana (mine may slightly longer than average, but not much) and my bastard sword are actually very comparable in blade length and handling. I’m the one who requested the bastard sword video on the pattern suggestion feed, so any insights of yours on a flexible one OR two hand weapon always excite me lol. Still would love to see a dedicated video on that topic if you’re so inclined! EDIT: oh! Also the same lessons as applied to how to fight a spear, which is something else I’ve been mulling over! It’s like a three for one video :D
@philpeck6762
@philpeck6762 Жыл бұрын
This conversation is displayed quite well in the movie Rob Roy with Liam Neesan
@andreascj73
@andreascj73 7 ай бұрын
He wins by being faster, stronger, better, and having a gun.
@alejandrobarrio8731
@alejandrobarrio8731 Жыл бұрын
The thing about rapiers was that they were generally used in conjunction with a dagger for close range and helped against a charging opponent, or even with a shield to fast riposte. And it was easy enough to use rapiers with the weight closer to the hand. The hand protection even helps with that. I have practiced this and it completely compensates it's problem in case the enemy gets closer, or manage to grab your blade. It's also the perfect moment to close with the dagger, and much faster than the katana user. Katana problem is that is not very easy to use one handed! The offense/defense balance of rapier+dagger is just great in 1 vs 1.
@xanedan4565
@xanedan4565 Жыл бұрын
I've been following you for...a decade now maybe? This is one of your more informative videos I've ever seen! I've done a little sparring and the way you described and demonstrated the delicate nature of a bind is excellent! I hate that Hollywood trope where people bind and chat because...no, it's about the most focused you need to be. If a bind is happening, decisive action seems imminent.
@deakinkell6634
@deakinkell6634 Ай бұрын
I like the way you emphasise how the better swordsman always has the advantage and techniques need training to master, so i like to believe wether true or not that the samurai were masters of swordsmanship and trained since 5 years old so would have the higher skill level than a musketeer that trained since 15 and woul usually win.
@VampireA-Oni
@VampireA-Oni Жыл бұрын
I practiced Kendo while I was in my 20s. This is basically what I trained for most of the time. Pushing the opponent;s blade (shinai) at the bind and find the moment to strike.
@valandil7454
@valandil7454 Жыл бұрын
Great explaination 🙂 My HEMA instructor started from out of measure and worked their way in the same as my Jujutsu teacher, I haven't been doing HEMA for anywhere near as long but I really prefer my rapier now 😋 I feel like you need an assistant if you can fit one in your garage Matt 😄
@KenZilla72
@KenZilla72 Жыл бұрын
The TLDR: How can a katana overcome a rapier? Be the better swordsman! 😂
@PJDAltamirus0425
@PJDAltamirus0425 Жыл бұрын
……… Rapier, range control and composure. Katana: be straight up nasty and have great timing and aggression. Reminds me of George solver talking about crotch kicking and throwing to try to mess up those damn button hunting Italians XD
@zvonimirtosic6171
@zvonimirtosic6171 6 ай бұрын
No, you must have a katana, and a gun. Only a gun can rival rapier in a duel.
@ivanreyesprieto5482
@ivanreyesprieto5482 11 ай бұрын
Me: tries to gain bind and sprint into the rapier user. The rapier user: moves back and redirects his point to catch me Me: damn
@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699
@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699 Жыл бұрын
*I just copy and pasted this from a previous video but I think it is important as the basis for the scenario Matt is setting up is a bit flawed:* “One caveat I’d add to the vid is the inclusion of specific time periods for the scenario as well as where the pirate’s sword may have come from. The katana we know today got its common length in the 1630s due to laws imposed by the Tokugawa shogunate. This means all swords in Japan and all katana made in Japan from then on had to be shortened to the 27”-28” blade length we know now. However pirates, being outlaws, could simply ignore these laws and keep their longer blades. During this time many described “Japanese pirates” were actually Chinese and if their blade was forged in a foreign country like China, then the smith obviously wouldn’t have to abide by another country’s law. So depending on the time period as well as where the swords was made, not all katana/katana-inspired blades would’ve been the length that we know them to be (27”-28” blades). That would really only apply to law abiding Japanese who got their blades domestically after the 1630s. That’s not to say these blades didn’t exist prior, but they were uncommon” A more accurate reenactment of the most common encounter would have the katana be longer, the tsuba be wider, and the opponent be a Chinese pirate
@gwynbleidd1917
@gwynbleidd1917 Жыл бұрын
This is incredibly pedantic
@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699
@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699 Жыл бұрын
@@gwynbleidd1917 it sound pedantic ik but the difference between a 27” blade and a 33”-35” blade shouldn’t be underestimated. While the katana user would have to use the same tactics as the rapier is longer, it is not as exaggerated as it’s made out to be
@jintsuubest9331
@jintsuubest9331 Жыл бұрын
It is still 34 inch blade against 40+ inch blade. Iirc, the sword he has on screen is special order 34 inch katana. The difference is still massive.
@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699
@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699 Жыл бұрын
@@jintsuubest9331 I think the blade show is 33” but this whole series of videos assumes the katana is the “standard” 27” blade. You’re right, the rapier still has a reach advantage and the katana user would have to use the same maneuvers described to close in
@gwynbleidd1917
@gwynbleidd1917 Жыл бұрын
@@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699 then why did you post this pedantic comment? Lol
@TheBaconWizard
@TheBaconWizard Жыл бұрын
It's probably a more minor point than some would claim, but another consideration in some situations is: recognise that violence is about to happen and be the first (and last) to hit, aided by a more rapid draw from the scabbard by both training and a shorter blade. In kobudo for example, one doesn't simply draw the katana, but moves the entire saya/scabbard (katana still in it) forward using the left hand and then both draws the katana from it, AND, withdraws the scabbard backwards so that the tip clears it very fast and the weapon is already forward.
@benjaminbreeg6214
@benjaminbreeg6214 Жыл бұрын
I like that from the outset, this seems like a strange matchup but not only is it something that undoubtedly happened in history, odds are that both swordsmen had training and experience they could apply to that fight, since a samurai would definitely learn to fight with his sword against a spear wielding opponent.
@tomhirons7475
@tomhirons7475 Жыл бұрын
and the samuri archery
@IsraTheBlack
@IsraTheBlack 11 ай бұрын
Well if the rapier has a parrying dagger or even a buckler the katana doesn't stand a chance, even if the katana has a secondary sword or also a shield the rapier still has the obvious advantages since it's much harder to deflect that rapier thrust with a one handed katana. Also you can do feints with a rapier to throw the katana user off.
@dazeen9591
@dazeen9591 Жыл бұрын
Just hit the rapier aside and close in. Rapier can't pierce you anymore when you're in grappling range, but a katana can still slash. Edit: I didn't actually watch the video but looking at the comments look like I hit the point spot on with common sense.
@georgeprchal3924
@georgeprchal3924 8 ай бұрын
Until you take a dagger.
@Kanner111
@Kanner111 Жыл бұрын
Every bit of fighting a rapier user seems to come down to how much bleeding can you do before you can get that perfect Rob Roy moment when the one insane thing you can actually do to win actually has a chance of happening. (For what its worth all these videos in my mind are still taking place on a boat, where both combatants are essentially unarmoured because the risk of drowning outweighs the benefit of armour for fighting. So the odds of getting a rapier user into a situation where they can't backpedal anymore are fairly decent.) ((The comments about the very initial moment of binding at a theoretically safe range, and the blade geometry of the rapier making it possible to grab, especially near the tip, were absolutely fascinating and I am learning so much from this series of videos! Cheers Matt!))
@OldSwordplayer
@OldSwordplayer Жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZjRlXyAo9KGa9E This is a video of a battle between skilled swordsmen. This will give you a good answer. Rapier can attack from a distance, but if he gets caught in Katana's "blocking" because the blade is too long and one-handed, he can't stop him from riding in.
@MisterKisk
@MisterKisk Жыл бұрын
That was actually quite excellent to watch. Thanks for sharing. Didn't think there was actually any HEMA groups doing anything with katana in any meaningful way, turns out I was wrong.
@tomvhresvelg9286
@tomvhresvelg9286 11 ай бұрын
Yeah. Britain soldiers in 19th century clashed with Japanese swordsman, and they are forced to use the revolver which Brits this time didn't like that much, when encountering them. Similar issue with this.
@digishade7583
@digishade7583 8 ай бұрын
An actual katana master said fighting against a rapier is scary their name at least here online is Seki sensei
@DurzoBlint178
@DurzoBlint178 Жыл бұрын
I have come to the conclusion that the rapier is the "ideal weapon," but only in the "ideal environment." i.e. A controlled duel either historical or modern HEMA. As Matt mentioned, the environment can very quickly become a problem for the rapier wielder.
@CognizantCheddar
@CognizantCheddar Жыл бұрын
For sure you wouldn't have wanted a rapier in a battlefield melee. It was definitely designed for use 1v1 against unarmored opponents.
@jonathanh4443
@jonathanh4443 Жыл бұрын
For it's use the Rapier was ideal, until the small sword came around. Each weapon was designed to counter the current weapon out there. The Rapier will destroy a saber side sword or longsword because it was designed to do so. The small sword will destroy the Rapier, again it was designed to do so. Thus for a single one on one duel the small sword is king, unless you want to pair is against a Longsword. I'd still use the small sword for fun though.
@BenedictSuarez-ij5cl
@BenedictSuarez-ij5cl Ай бұрын
​​@@jonathanh4443I don't think a small sword will destroy rapier. There might be a reason why a small sword succeeded, but not because it is a better duelling weapon. First reason I think is, it requires less strength and less skill, easier to use, easier to draw as a civilian weapon in case of emergency. Also, even the latest sword doesn't mean it can be better than the rapier. The best way to know is to duel them. A small sword will fare very inferiorly against the rapier if you ask me. Almost impossible if both were en garde or in the duel. An epee may have a chance. A Small sword, and foil. I think their users were also very predictable and easy to anticipate. Surely they have speed, But it won't work. Just a question to ask oneself. If you are going into a duel (last man standing) against a rapier user, would you bring a katana or small sword? Me, I will bring rapier against a small sword user and katana user into a duel. But an old estoc would be enough for me I guess.
@OMG-hg3bf
@OMG-hg3bf Жыл бұрын
in the 1995 movie Rob Roy, he did took the hit and held the rapier of Archibald as he struck him down with the claymore
@mallardtheduck406
@mallardtheduck406 Жыл бұрын
You know, it looked like a smallsword, however wasn't the blade end sharpened? I thought for year's it was a triangular blade, and wondered why such a hand wound.
@mariusreinecker1556
@mariusreinecker1556 Жыл бұрын
The most severe disadvantage here is that you can't unscrew the pommel from a katana to end your opponent rightly. If you can't screw, you are screwed.
@Cre8sumthing
@Cre8sumthing 9 ай бұрын
Matt Easton, I love you. I don't think anyone, or very few, go over the fighting arts with such passion and level of detail. This video in particular was very educational for me. Thank you so much.
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria 9 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@KendoSwordsman
@KendoSwordsman Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate the thoughts in this video. We practice these concepts in Kendo with the kodachi as it happens where its the shorter blade Vs the long blade. However as the rapier has, as you say increased hand protection and higher emphasis on thrusting and vectors to do so, there's an increased consideration for the Katana wielder to make use of ukenagashi (catching parry, can be done at different heights to guard head, neck, torso or legs) and control of the centre line. As you say though it's very important to know when to enter close distance and to avoid hesitation. It's a little easier to trap a Katana user with a kodachi when they attempt a thrust or cut because they have to commit their body more so than with a rapier or similar weapon . It's harder to trap a rapier user if they lunge or slash because their foot work and stance allows for tactical retreat and that hand is harder to lop off . So clever use of footwork over that distance is essential. It seems to me the best chance is to try to mentally fatigue or catch them in a moment of confusion or low concentration in that long distance bind then enter sharply and brutally. I'd like to add a point about the grappling skills of a Japanese Swordsman. Learn to sweep trip (ashi barai) . If you're talking about two traditionally armed Swordsman, you'd have a tanto. The typical way you'd end this sort of thing once you closed the distance would be to crash in, drop your long sword so you can grapple and imobilise their sword hand and trip them, ending the fight with the dagger to the neck. If you don't have the tanto then you need to most likely open the target of their neck and make a precise cut in that very close range. That's a little harder to pull off if both Swordsman can grapple . Very achievable, but typically, if a Samurai hit the dirt in close quarters they'd be done because of the advantage of the initiating grappler being able to bring the tanto to bear first. It was also easier to get between the armour.
@zanir2387
@zanir2387 Жыл бұрын
Question: Is posible to use a katana combines with a sai? I mean, use the sai to control the enemy weapon while delivered the slash with the katana.
@ThoraeJenkins
@ThoraeJenkins Жыл бұрын
@@zanir2387 Would it be possible? Absolutely. Would it be as awkward as fighting with a sai and a broadsword? Also absolutely. The history of Sai in japan isn't exactly expansive, so I doubt there's any actual styles designed for or around that combination of weapons.
@jonathanh4443
@jonathanh4443 Жыл бұрын
@@zanir2387 The Sai is effectively a parrying dagger, a weapon a decent Rapierist is well acquainted with. I've jokingly used a Sai instead of my parrying dagger before, they are the same thing. Will it work, quite well. Will the Rapierist pull his dagger, yes and you are back at an equal footing. It is much easier to catch and bind a thrust than a cut. I've fought against broadsword and dagger as well as Rapier and dagger.
@zanir2387
@zanir2387 Жыл бұрын
@@jonathanh4443 thanks!
@stickgarrote8582
@stickgarrote8582 11 ай бұрын
@@zanir2387 a jutte might be more appropriate. It’s a blade catcher by design and from the same period. Sai is much more modern.
@lakrids-pibe
@lakrids-pibe Жыл бұрын
This reminds me of Tim Roth and Liam Neeson in *Rob Roy* (1995)
@peterchristiansen9695
@peterchristiansen9695 Жыл бұрын
Yup! Didn’t end so well for ol’ Timmy that time… 😂
@arkdeniz
@arkdeniz Жыл бұрын
Channelling the whole ‘warrior priest’ aesthetic, Matt. Like it!
@wesleyviers1550
@wesleyviers1550 Жыл бұрын
As someone who trained with a katana for 20 years, I'd definitely choose two-handed. I agree with both tactics of binding and charging as well as grabbing and controlling the blade. I have used both against spears many times. To be fair, I have not faced off against a rapier, but I think it would be fun to try it out. As for controlling with your hand, the closer you can get to their own hand when you grab, the better, and if you can combine the two techniques and bind/charge and then grab their sword or hand at the hilt, then that is obviously best. Practicing good footwork and tsugi ashi in particular is very important for getting good at closing distance quickly and in a way that is less obvious to the opponent. I think this was a very good video and I agree with most of it except wrapping the blade with the arm. Especially as you used the bokken in the example... which is just going to slice you up. The tactics overall though are sound and exactly how I learned to fight against spears and katanas with a wakizashi.
@epremeaux
@epremeaux Жыл бұрын
yeah I think the arm wrapping tactic applies more to pole arms after your are inside the blade (if its not just a spear). It also applies to a rapier though. (But yeah I wouldn't do that move against an Odachi/Nodachi/Nagamaki.
@ThoraeJenkins
@ThoraeJenkins Жыл бұрын
I mean, in context he did say it was something the cutting weapon user can do against the longer, thrusting weapon user. If you're choosing to ignore what he's saying that's on you.
@ketsan
@ketsan Жыл бұрын
This video has a lot of good points. Really cuts through the confusion.
@Hoshionifumo
@Hoshionifumo Жыл бұрын
look id just use my saya as a weapon. the rapier isnt strong enough to break it so i can parry with it.
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria Жыл бұрын
That is actually very valid advice and is covered in some Japanese schools.
@Hoshionifumo
@Hoshionifumo Жыл бұрын
@@scholagladiatoria why people arent covering content of the book of 5 rings is beyond me, to me tatics is the true heart of swordsman ship and those who practice that style do not lean on being disadvantaged.
@olafkueppers3861
@olafkueppers3861 Жыл бұрын
One thing that came to mind concerning closing in with a Katana vs. Rapier is to look at Greatsword vs. Pike which is a similar situation with less nimble weapons. Marozzo has a two handed reverse grip in that situation and Figuaredo uses a spin in his appraoch. So two things normaly shunned in regular swordsmanship might help in a shorter cutting weapon vs. a longer thrusting weapon scenario.
@ochs-hema
@ochs-hema Жыл бұрын
Hi together, I was fencing with a Pappenheimer Rapier - which is longer than my Ensifer Long Feder - against a Polish Guy with - you might guess it - a polish sabre. And I try to fence Italian style and Destreza style. And most of the time he beats me, or we both are dead. He just uses super fast strikes against the blade and pushes you backwards. In the right moment you can stab but it resolves in double hits.
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria Жыл бұрын
In fairness, a blunt poke with a HEMA rapier is not the same as running a sharp point into someone's head or chest :-)
@ochs-hema
@ochs-hema Жыл бұрын
in general fencing with sharp swords is quite different^^ @@scholagladiatoria
@AliceBowie
@AliceBowie Жыл бұрын
​@@scholagladiatoriakind of like airsoft vs live ammo
@MarieCrossbow
@MarieCrossbow Жыл бұрын
I've done a decent amount of messer vs longsword, and these techniques are exactly what I've found to be useful getting into range.
@JCOwens-zq6fd
@JCOwens-zq6fd Жыл бұрын
I have unfortunately been in situations that got me stabbed & cut. Fortunately I did win & survived to be here today. That said i have found that cuts are more likely to deliver a "shock & awe" effect on ones opponent. While the stab is more likely to be fatal, that is given you hit them in the right spot. One is far more likely to miss &/or ones opponent gets them anyway.
@ericthompson3982
@ericthompson3982 11 ай бұрын
I've been training with machete and katana for years. My feeling is that the shorter weapon needs to move inside the effective range of the longer weapon and remove the range advantage quickly. And in certain Filipino martial arts, we tend to refer to the hand not holding a weapon as the "live hand."
@kiltedcripple
@kiltedcripple Жыл бұрын
Come for the sword advice, stay for the tip on tip action
@dreembarge
@dreembarge Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Matt. Always worth watching.
@Intranetusa
@Intranetusa Жыл бұрын
Great video! Video request: Can you do a video about sword-spears/swordstaffs such as the Scandinavian Svardstav, Han Dynasty Sha (from LK Chen), and medieval Japanese Naganaki?
@thekaxmax
@thekaxmax Жыл бұрын
and the Jedburgh staff.
@erikseavey9445
@erikseavey9445 Жыл бұрын
As someone who spars regularly, there is a reason my style switched more from kenjitsu to fencing.
@CFCNOTBUMMER
@CFCNOTBUMMER Жыл бұрын
That Vicar is a nutter
@chris-the-human
@chris-the-human Жыл бұрын
2:15 this is how vampires are made
@peterchristiansen9695
@peterchristiansen9695 Жыл бұрын
I’m just really happy (for Matt!) that he managed to "sneak in" the langes messer into this conversation! He hadn’t mentioned it for several days (😱) - I was getting rather concerned… ☺️
@TheBaconWizard
@TheBaconWizard Жыл бұрын
Phew! Emergency averted.
@hic_tus
@hic_tus Жыл бұрын
in a life or death situation, it makes perfect sense to grab the rapier and cut into the opponent with all your strenght, considering that the katana is very good at that. if you injure your secondary hand, even badly, well, you can carry on living without too many issues. my colleague cut his tendin years ago and can't move the index finger but he works like a train regardless. so there's that.
@sharkforce8147
@sharkforce8147 Жыл бұрын
Obviously, you just use your magical fantasy katana to cut their rapier in half and let the shockwave from the tip cut them in half at the same time. Make sure there's nothing important on the far side of the person, otherwise that may also get sliced in half. 😛
@prozacjunkie112
@prozacjunkie112 Жыл бұрын
"Rapierist" is a funny word.
@u.v.s.5583
@u.v.s.5583 Жыл бұрын
If you want an extra hole in the guts, say that to the rapierist!
@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699
@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699 Жыл бұрын
If the European sailor were to ever encounter a katana in a fight, the vast majority of the time will be at sea against pirates. In that case backing up is far harder as you can only back up so far before running into something or someone. But this also means they may not be as well trained as samurai. Side note, many Japanese disciplines teach how to fight against a spear with a sword. It would be very beneficial to look into those
@addictedtochocolate920
@addictedtochocolate920 Жыл бұрын
I have looked into them and they are very well thought, probably your best chance to defeat a Yari without making use of your environment. That being said, the advantage a Yari offers is still significant.
@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699
@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699 Жыл бұрын
@@addictedtochocolate920 precisely why samurai didn’t run into battle with their sword first
@sophisticatedbear3374
@sophisticatedbear3374 Жыл бұрын
1582 Cagayan battles: The clash pitted Spanish musketeers, pikemen, rodeleros, and sailors against a much larger group of Japanese, Chinese, and likely native Filipino pirates made up of ronin and soldiers.
@sophisticatedbear3374
@sophisticatedbear3374 Жыл бұрын
Also, as far as spears are concerned. The Spanish oiled the ends of their pikes during these battles which made leveraging them out of the Spaniards hands nearly impossible.
@solyccndy1075
@solyccndy1075 Жыл бұрын
Very good explanation. Thank you
@rogerlafrance6355
@rogerlafrance6355 Жыл бұрын
Such a long period but, when one school saw another fight, they set about countering it. When we look at Master Tesshu one of the last samurai, we see European bits.
@Kuro-Shogun
@Kuro-Shogun Жыл бұрын
@18:45 Amen, I can attest that versing various styles I was very confident in adapting quickly against them but rapier (and fencing in general) was an unexpected challenge. It wasn't until many dueling sessions that the mechanics cleared up enough to make it an even fight again. Kenjutsu practitioner of 20 years.
@necrodamus5481
@necrodamus5481 Жыл бұрын
having actually seen a decent fight between the two swordsman. I stand by the rapier taking the win. Light footwork and longer reach take the cake. On top of that, assuming the guy with the rapier is spanish or french. Theyve been around the world long enough to take in so many cultures style of swordfighting and ways to counteract it that i dont think the samurai's skill would be anything thatd really ruffle their feathers
@knightforlorn6731
@knightforlorn6731 Жыл бұрын
love fighting against a spear using a short sword. Wait for a low thrust maybe to the leg, hack the sword to the side but keep the bind and run on in. Grab the spear or just stab, slash, after the point. using a halfted grip is very strong here.
@christopherwilson5054
@christopherwilson5054 Жыл бұрын
A shinai-men combination used frequently during Waza-geiko in kendo could work as well. It forces the opponent's blade off line just enough to close the distance for your strike to men. Cheers Matt!
@Ianmar1
@Ianmar1 Жыл бұрын
In European fencing traditions this is just beat - attack. It is a viable strategy but the rapierist has certainly seen it before.
@mikedittsche
@mikedittsche Жыл бұрын
Thanks for reassuring us that you'll continue to be Matt Easton.
@mose717
@mose717 Жыл бұрын
I’ve been on both sides of this equation and both weapons have strengths and weaknesses . For me personally I’d rather have the katana. This is just my opinion.
@MrPlainsflyer
@MrPlainsflyer Жыл бұрын
I cant be the only one who sees the white label on Matts padded jack and think "ah well now whats the father got for sermon today"😂
@mrkatamari
@mrkatamari Жыл бұрын
Piercing clearly beats cutting, and it's totally dominant if you wear protection. That's why European sword turned from cut to rapier after years of evolution. And that's also why japanese used their bow and spear over the katana in the battlefield.
@MPRiley-rb6lj
@MPRiley-rb6lj Жыл бұрын
Thank you. Spent an afternoon using short sword versus pole arm. Pole arm had experience. This video is very relatable. The crowd loved seeing me eat the dirt 70 times. The 5 times I was able to close were gratifying. Defect, deflect, deflect, bind charge, prevent retreat recoil recovery, HACK! (Multiple hacks seemed warranted if not necessary) XD
@Han-rw9ev
@Han-rw9ev Жыл бұрын
This really illustrates the difference between sword fighting techniques.. And it seems that for every strength there's a potential weakness. I did consider the binding method but thanks to Matt himself, I was starting to think it was unrealistic. And then he turns around and does this.. Context.... On a seperate note, I'm wondering how a duel between a (good) spadroon and a Chinese Jian would turn out with two equally skilled fighters. I find them both having certain similarities..
@infinityace3914
@infinityace3914 Жыл бұрын
I love it when I bring my tip to someone else's tip
@coot33
@coot33 Жыл бұрын
Coming undead. Have to do an unholy ritual to become a lich.
@Ownedyou
@Ownedyou Жыл бұрын
Would bind a grab work? Rapiers are usualy not sharp, might work.
@ramibairi5562
@ramibairi5562 Жыл бұрын
Matt how true is the story of Samurai changing the design of their Katanas by making them lighter and quicker as a result of losing some duels againt Portuguese sailors armed with rapiers and eventually defeating them again?
@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699
@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699 Жыл бұрын
I’m gonna go on a limb and say it is not true at all as there were rarely any duels between them
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria Жыл бұрын
There was a shift towards lighter and straighter blades in this period. I don't know if it is related to contact with Europeans.
@hugom2418
@hugom2418 Жыл бұрын
Not true at all. The shift towards lighter and straighter blades were due to changes in society as swords became more of an urban self defense tool than a battlefield weapon and a lighter straighter sword is more easy to carry. Even prior to this, lighter sword id easy to make and better for foot soldiers
@משה-ב1ט
@משה-ב1ט Жыл бұрын
Zero likelihood. The average European sailor or soldier of the seventeenth century would not be using a rapier. Gentlemen officers carried rapiers -- mostly used to duel each other. Common soldiers and sailors would use various hangers, sabers and messers, generally as backup weapons, while their primary weapons would generally be firearms and polearms.
@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699
@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699 Жыл бұрын
@@scholagladiatoria idk how often you do it on your channel nowadays but I think it’d be cool if you went over period accounts of the Japanese from this time. You’ve made a few videos of 19th ce accounts but I was wondering if you were at all familiar with any 16th ce accounts
@andrewdegozaru74
@andrewdegozaru74 7 ай бұрын
Very interesting video. I'm no martial artist, which is why I only seem to recall that Miyamoto Musashi had a bit to say on countering long stabbing weapons in his scroll of fire in 'go rin no sho' (which I have read). I understand he also used two katana, which created other options for getting past the point; and he didn't fear death, which I imagine freed his mind to focus on winning.
@Zio_Muschio
@Zio_Muschio Жыл бұрын
“You never prepared me for that, you Spanish peacock”… sorry…. Total recall from the ‘80s😁
@peterchristiansen9695
@peterchristiansen9695 Жыл бұрын
Ramirez would reply: "I’m Egyptian… 😩!!!" 😁
@ShaneShepherd
@ShaneShepherd 8 ай бұрын
Your point at the beginning regarding someone continuing to fight after having been stabbed is the SAME point regarding someone being shot. It is, also, the reason persons who know about weapons consider someone with a knife equally or more dangerous than someone with a gun in 1v1 encounters. It is why law enforcement and military shoot people with knives! Good video!
@DresGarB
@DresGarB Жыл бұрын
If anime has taught me anything, the katana swordsman should not wear any armor to protect his vital organs because it would get in the way of all the flourishes needed to perform his secret ultimate technique passed down by his sempai (a technique which always has an over the top name like the Hundred Head Dragon Flash of the North Star). At some point the katana swordsman should also do the "naruto run" while screaming AAAAAAAAHH!! (which will totally not give away the fact he is about to attack, but it was necessary to charge his Ki or something) and slashing through his opponent with such momentum he ends up sliding some 15 meters away from his target as they stand motionless for a few seconds (of deflated tension as we already know the anime protagonist is going to win) before his opponent suddenly has a massive burst of blood coming from their body as they collapse to the ground. During this scene the katana swordsman never turned back to look if he succeeded because he KNOWS he succeeded thanks to his secret ultimate technique passed down by his sempai (it's possible he was also experiencing a flashback to his youth when his sempai was teaching him a valuable lesson or something), so he simply does a flourish with his blade to shake off the blood and sheathe it in a swift motion as he slowly walks away from the empty streets ready for the next challenge.
@arx3516
@arx3516 Жыл бұрын
👍
@risaistalri1675
@risaistalri1675 11 ай бұрын
I must at least point out about grabbing rapier type weapons, they are flexible. Flexible + sharp = removal of fingers if not armored. And the guard on the rapier is quite like a brass knuckle, useful at close range for bash attacks, can still be used if the opponent grabs the tip, once again due to flexibility. Things to consider about grabbing a dueling sword, since armor is not often used in death duels.
@tvgerbil1984
@tvgerbil1984 Жыл бұрын
Miyamoto Musashi, the famed Japanese duelist of the 17th century, promoted the use of one-handed grip of his katana, with a wakizashi in his other hand which could be used to boost his defense as well as a short weapon suitable for throwing. A rapier fencer would be at a disadvantage against this particular style of swordfighting.
@scholagladiatoria
@scholagladiatoria Жыл бұрын
If we allow a wakizashi in the off hand, then we also have to allow the main gauche, buckler or shield in the off hand for the rapier... I am comparing like with like here, and in fact Europeans were using left-hand weapons much more than the Japanese at this time.
@addictedtochocolate920
@addictedtochocolate920 Жыл бұрын
Daishō will only be effective if your opponent isn't using two weapons too. Most Spanish fencers, for example, used daggers as an offhand weapon too
@atom8248
@atom8248 Жыл бұрын
@@scholagladiatoria Musashi used his katana normally most of the time, but he would probably bring a spear to fight the rapier guy because he didn't fight fair lol
@tvgerbil1984
@tvgerbil1984 Жыл бұрын
@@addictedtochocolate920 To be fair, Musashi's opponents used a wide variety of weapons too, from polearm to Kusarigama (a sickle on a long metal chain ended with a metal weight).
@kaoskronostyche9939
@kaoskronostyche9939 Жыл бұрын
This is an excellent discussion of this topic. Love these discussions of tactics for dueling in terms of diverse weapons. Have you done this kind of discussion, say, of sabre or sword vs talwar? That would be a cool discussion. Thank you very much for your ongoing efforts. Cheers!
@DGFTardin
@DGFTardin Жыл бұрын
2:13 Clearly, the answer is to hire a necromancer.
@NickCombs
@NickCombs Жыл бұрын
One more tactic: concealment. If the person at a reach disadvantage is not seen or isn't considered a threat, they can slip into close range without engaging the opponent's defenses.
@peterchristiansen9695
@peterchristiansen9695 Жыл бұрын
But would it be a duel then, technically…? Rather than simply a samurai deploying shinobi-tactics (as they would) to assassinate someone?😉
@NickCombs
@NickCombs Жыл бұрын
@@peterchristiansen9695 Yeah, duels are about rules of honor which usually considers stealth tactics unfair. I'm speaking to the larger context that could include any conflict.
@peterchristiansen9695
@peterchristiansen9695 Жыл бұрын
@@NickCombsThe overarching theme of ‘The Art of War’, in the tradition of Sun Tzu, Takeda Shingen, Kusunoki Masashige (and that’s just naming a few of the Asian luminaries!) is well worth a discussion - indeed another video! ☺️ This little series of vids by Matt are about duelling (or so it appears to me); but I get it! I find ‘the larger picture’ highly interesting too, including from a European perspective! 👨🏻‍🎓⚔️🤓
@NickCombs
@NickCombs Жыл бұрын
@@peterchristiansen9695 Ah yes it can hard to tell sometimes because folks in this scene often leave the hema part implied.
@etiennesauve3386
@etiennesauve3386 Жыл бұрын
There is also another kendo technique I would try once you get a bind which is a disarming technique. It's a bit hard to describe but it involve moving your blade in circle to make the opponent grip loose and move swiftly your blade on the side or in the air to disarm. That technique works well when the opponent use only one hand against a 2-hand katana user but I'm not familiar with a rapier so I don't know how effective it would be.
@foroparapente
@foroparapente Жыл бұрын
You mean maki waza? Woudl not work against a rapier normally. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipKZf2Sciqx7nrM
@jonathanh4443
@jonathanh4443 Жыл бұрын
The Rapier grip 'locks' the hand into the grip, (you put one or two fingers over the quillion or 'cross') thus a disarm that would cause a normal sword to lose the grip won't work. The blade might be flung to the side giving you an opening, but the Rapierist will not be disarmed. The kind of disarm where you wrap the blade and wrench the grip up as matt demonstrated will generally break the wrist of the Rapierist.
@diegomireles
@diegomireles 7 ай бұрын
How would win between Miyamoto Musashi and D'artagnan?
@stephanwatson7902
@stephanwatson7902 Жыл бұрын
Miyamoto Musashi said having two hands on a katana was a waste of a hand; even when he would use one sword, it was with one hand. He said the second hand limits your range of motion and you can't use the sword as freely. Plus this allows you to grapple better and grab the opponent with the offhand
@Archangel144
@Archangel144 Жыл бұрын
I recently learned that Musashi was apparently unusually strong, which certainly helped with one handing his swords. Combine the intellectual understanding of technique with the strength to actually take advantage of it, and it's no wonder he was so successful.
@stephanwatson7902
@stephanwatson7902 Жыл бұрын
@@Archangel144 yep good point and he said he studied the other aspects of martial arts, not just how to use the sword alone. So he was likely a capable Grappler and had hand-to-hand striking techniques as well
@daishoo
@daishoo Жыл бұрын
I have studied at the Niten Institute, and even though I have stopped fencing a long time ago, I remember quite well that the speed achieved with two swords compared to a two-handed katana, as well as its manoeuverability, drops a lot. You gain the possibility of making more complex attacks, which are harder for a single katana wielder to parry, and also, you have more protection of the body.
@stephanwatson7902
@stephanwatson7902 Жыл бұрын
@@daishoo Musashi fought in wars, lead men and had over 60 duels and won them all. No offense but I think a trained soldier who has actually fought to the death with swords, would know better than a modern hobbyist
@daishoo
@daishoo Жыл бұрын
@@stephanwatson7902 ​ @stephanwatson7902 Musashi was a strong man, much stronger than his contemporary samurai, and the two sword style depends on strenght to be truly effective. It is not a matter of being experienced in wars, it is a matter of fact that can be reasoned by anyone. I have a scottish broadsword and and arming sword, both are one handed and yet, I cannot wield the broadsword properly because it is much heavier than the arming sword. The movements I can make with a katana I cannot make with the arming sword, even though it is lighter, simply because it is one handed. But, if you don't trust, you should go ask the current masters of the styles which offer two swords and hear what they have to say, if you think only experienced fighters should have a word on this.
@Andrei-Marian
@Andrei-Marian Жыл бұрын
The samurai would have armour on, and all he would need to add would be some chainmail to his glove on his non-dominant hand . He would attack risking one-Two stabs and catching the Rapier, then slicing the swordsman head off clean. The end! Hehe. I commented after watching the first 5 minutes and I'm pleased that my common sense was the correct answer to your puzzle.
@ElDrHouse2010
@ElDrHouse2010 Жыл бұрын
If I was the Katana guy I would try to rely on speed on the first opening I see. This would be very difficult to do without being struck back, making it a double. The more I stall I feel the more the Rapierist is going to find my openings & he can control more space than I can due to the reach. This match up would rely more on the swordsman athleticism than the sword.
@vast634
@vast634 Жыл бұрын
Makes sense then to also have a dagger or buckler with the rapier.
@peterchristiansen9695
@peterchristiansen9695 Жыл бұрын
Indeed; especially since the samurai carried two swords - and actually were trained in wielding them simultaneously. So that’s only fair! ☺️
@vast634
@vast634 Жыл бұрын
@@peterchristiansen9695 The katana is a two handed sword. They would only have used one by default. The Rapier however is a dedicated one hander.
@peterchristiansen9695
@peterchristiansen9695 Жыл бұрын
@@vast634That’s an overly definitive answer - which, simultaneously, definitely is ahistorical. 😐
@SilverAlex92
@SilverAlex92 Жыл бұрын
Katana vs Rapier: A delicate balance of binds, levers physics, and a perfectly timed attack. Rapier vs Katana: STAB THEM IN THE FACE AND RUN AWAY. Ahh i see the subtle differences in the craft when facing someone with a weapon with more reach.
@JRDylan849
@JRDylan849 Жыл бұрын
Verdadera Destreza, Cagayán
@franciscojosebarquerogomez5786
@franciscojosebarquerogomez5786 Жыл бұрын
😂
@crwydryny
@crwydryny Жыл бұрын
End of the day deciding factors in any sword fight, skill and luck. When I train I often mix it up, things like knife Vs spear, unarmed Vs sword, sword Vs escrema sticks, and such. Heck with one training partner we go all out, starting with one set of weapons. If one gets disarmed they'll grab anything at hand such as chairs, other weapons laying around. Close to wrestling range. Until one gets a pin or killing blow. Heck we've even gone as far as getting into wrestling range, switch to a judo style hip throw and put the other one through a table. I still remember when one of my students graduated from the kid's class to the adults and they saw us practicing while waiting for everyone to get ready. Her reaction "THEY'RE TRYING TO KILL EACH OTHER" we paused looked at her and said "if we were trying to kill each other one of us would be dead by now" then carried on. Because despite how crazy wild we got we'd always make sure the other person was ready before we'd do anything crazy like throwing them over our shoulders onto a table. If one of us pulled off a new or unexpected move we'd stop go back and analysis the move. Work out counters, work out counters to those counters. Then when we got the feel for it we'd start off again from that move. It's honestly invaluable for mid to high level practitioners especially in self defence style training
@sillygreatjaggi7946
@sillygreatjaggi7946 Жыл бұрын
I forget if you said this in one of the previous videos but it should be noted that due to the length of the blades and even their shape, a katana will be faster to draw. Its very situational but it can play a factor just as the fight is breaking out.
@jonathanh4443
@jonathanh4443 Жыл бұрын
The European philosophy is not to draw a blade in fighting range. If you are at such a range where drawing quickly will effect the outcome, draw the dagger.
@SanDan3rdDan
@SanDan3rdDan Жыл бұрын
Timely video. Thanks algorithm as I go to battle in the morning.
@edi9892
@edi9892 Жыл бұрын
Keep in mind that the Samurai is likely to have MORE weapons! In case of an emergency, he can use the wooden sheath of his Katana for parrying. He could throw his tanto, or dual wield Wakizashi and Katana. Some also carried steel pipes or fans, sickles or other weapons. The fan would be the first item I'd consider throwing. LOL
@jm9371
@jm9371 Жыл бұрын
The 'telephone box' section of the video would likely be Tanto vs Rapier; I think we know how that ends.
@PJDAltamirus0425
@PJDAltamirus0425 Жыл бұрын
Ummm, depending on time period. Duelist may have a parrying dagger, his carving knive and a flipping pistol that can also function as an improvised club. Since rapiers were essentially the wealthy man’s weapon, he might have a second sword. That argument makes sense but isn’t rally reliable
@stefthorman8548
@stefthorman8548 Жыл бұрын
@@PJDAltamirus0425 an rapier guy isn't going to carry another full length sword around, unless they know they're going to fight, at most he'll carry an dagger, or something else small, remember, an raiper isn't an good daily carry, if you think not wacking things with the katana's scabbard is hard, an rapier is several times harder. there's an reason why it became smaller as time went on.
@PJDAltamirus0425
@PJDAltamirus0425 Жыл бұрын
XD Yeah, the last part was mostly a joke and point out as how high status rapiers were. I stand by the pistol, dagger and eating knife thing.@@stefthorman8548
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