School Days Makes it Impossible to be a Decent Person

Choice mechanics in games are meant to be immersive and versatile, but occasionally they're quite the opposite. The infamous visual novel School Days is a prime example.
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[@otakudaikun]

My examples of frustrating choices include the negotiations with shadows in Persona 5, being forced to shoot Aya Brea in the 3rd Birthday, how the original FF7 tracks your relationship between Tifa, Aerith, and Barret without telling you, and how the protagonists in Langrisser I and II are willing to become complete villains without any middle ground.

[@_Koyomi_]

Being railroaded and following a feasible, set path in the narrative are divided by a clear line. That said, what did you dislike about the negotiations in P5? The one thing that bothered me was that there is no way to tell how likely an enemy is to snap at you and try to attack again when you try to get something from them

[@mintbot4657]

P5 shadow negotiations were annoying simply because I couldn't understand how my option wasn't good for the personality of the shadow. P5R helped but still was a bit annoying.

[@Samm815]

Dai, if you think Makoto is bad you should meet his father. Edit: Actually don't meet Makoto's father, he'll steal your wife and make her pregnant.

[@GBAer64]

Off the top of my head was one of the very end parts of my confidant with Ann Takamaki in Persona 5. I believe when sharing an important moment in a ferris wheel with Ann, you have the choice to hug or do nothing. I remember feeling the need to comfort her at this point in congratulations for her growth and for opening up to me. As a naturally affectionate individual, I picked to hug Ann. The problem was that this was inputted as an action of romance. So I ended up in a relationship I did not intend to be in. My own annoyance aside though, I admit that this particular moment was me forgetting the significance of hugging in a different country.

[@cfogarty07]

Dai I would not lead them to murder either

[@MrGamenerd9999]

So in School Days, you're basically.. Not playing as Makoto, but his guardian angel always shouting "NO YOU DUMB SHIT"

[@otakudaikun]

That's basically it.

[@Danariya1]

That's the best and most accurate description for this game haha

[@Cat-Nipples]

THATS EXACTLY HOW I FELT LMFAO

[@donaldmcwilliams487]

Dead ass Just watched the anime and was screaming baka every 5 minutes lmao

[@marcorodriguez8792]

You play as his Stand but the only you can do is give him advice

[@willgm3500]

Most games with choices: "You can be good, or bad! it's up to you!" School days: "So, what flavor of asshole do you want to be today?"

[@nicksalabash6097]

Dam I sure creamed myself with that one

[@paxhumana2015]

A.k.a., literally every one that decides to meet me because I seem to be related to Dark Helmet, who has an unfortunate knack for being surrounded by them in his life.

[@marcorodriguez8792]

There are endings where Makoto isn't an asshole. Mostly just dense or in some routes feeling bad for some of his actions and trying to fix it (and being successful in some caes)

[@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec]

It’s yandere simulator before yandere simulator.

[@ashleightompkins3200]

It's yandere sim from the POV of Senpai than Yandere-chan

[@TGameDev]

That game was going to get finished? lul

[@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec]

ProKFBJJ That game ain’t be completing anytime soon.

[@AuraCore]

@@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec It will be 2090 when it's finished.

[@drskk4652]

Watch Dr.Apeis complete his game before Yandere dev

[@ashleightompkins3200]

I can't stop my blood from boiling whenever I see Taisuke after when he did in the anime.

[@saberalter1586]

Grab your pitchforks. Time to march on Taisuke!!!

[@Aaron64589]

What did he do in the anime?

[@thinaxanel378]

@@Aaron64589 pretty much what he did in the game (to Sekai), but to Kotonoha instead.

[@Aaron64589]

@@thinaxanel378 oh shit...

[@sauceboi5965]

@@thinaxanel378 He only cheated on them anyways

[@jacopoarmini7889]

Shin Megami Tensei comes to mind: Game:"yo player, do you like living in an orderly society where you don't get brutally murdered?" Player:"yes, I think law and order are good things" Game:"awesome! Here's your torch, now go burn some innocent people in the name of God!" Player:"w... Wait! I also like freedom!" Game:"well, here's your new friend, Lucifer, now go and murder everyone!" Player:"isn't there a middle way?" Game:"do you remember that time you had to choose between pancakes and cereals?" Player:"yeah, that was at the beginning of the gam..." Game:"YOU FOOL! You should have picked the third option: I'm on a diet" Player:"could you please pass me that torch?"

[@JPG.01]

I'm getting the feeling that I should play that.

[@TheSonic497]

SMT made it an absolute chore to stay neutral.

[@denkerbosu3551]

@creapsmantic most games have a different tone and setting. The closest to a Persona game are SMT IV Apocalypse, a what-if sequel to SMT IV. Then there is SMT Nocturne (third one) where the apocalypse already happened, there are about 5 humans left alive and you are made a demon demon because a deity decides so. SMT 1 and 2 are a demon invasion, a kind of apocalypse, and its sequel is about the society made by the previous game's MC. In summary, Persona games are about people and tjeir relationships with some big threat as a setting, while SMT its about apocalyptic lands where you try to survive.

[@narudayo5053]

@creapsmantic Persona is a spin off of SMT, so yeah it's also a SMT, just different stories and system

[@Machiroable]

Strange Journey makes the point that the neutral route is somewhat worse than both chaos and law.

[@paulnoell39]

Another example of a bad choice mechanic, is when JRPG’s have ending scenes for each party member, but no matter how much relationship grinding you do, you only can see one per playthrough.

[@otakudaikun]

Reminds me of Star Ocean.

[@hibikikuze1876]

perfect paul This had brought me back to my early teens with the 3DS Game Stella Glow. I had to grind out both my stats and Relationship points just to get the late game waifu that struck my heart. With my next playthrough is when I realized that I get to see only one epilogue per session, out of 12 characters. Made me use a save slot just prior to landing the finishing blow to the final boss just to chose between all the epilogues.

[@SNPiru]

In the VN Va-11 Hall-a you can get all endings in a single run. That's what I love about that game, if you can do your best and do a good job you are amazingly rewarded

[@Exapico]

I know you rag on it a lot the video, but the School Days VN is totally worth playing and a very memorable experience, especially for those who played a lot of bishoujo VNs in the early 2000s. It's clearly a jab at several VNs released a couple years before. It changes up the tropes quite a bit and definitely gave readers something new for the time. The main players in the visual novel are all damaged people, and this manifests to them being unstable, less than outstanding people that only make each other unhappy due to their expectations. These people were obviously not going to reach an ideal ending under normal circumstances, which is why I find it fitting that the ending where the 3 main characters are the happiest are in an abnormal 3 way relationship. I think the most interesting part of the VN is just how much it pulls at your emotional vs moral sides. The game WANTS you to cheat, and the steps the game takes to make you feel uneasy and cold for being morally right by tugging at your empathy is honestly pretty refreshing. This series is not a dumpster fire as many of the anime watchers would have you believe. Although the successive spin offs lean hard into "Makoto has sex with EVERYONE" image that it garnered in otaku culture.

[@pleasehelp1390]

It really is a tough cookie but I personally loved School Days

[@chunkymonkeychunky]

They end up in a happy triad? Well that's a convenient and nice outcome. I think though that Makoto wasn't really ready for romance and just wanted sex, at least in the anime. He expects availability without having to compromise too much and sucks at taking a 'no' half the time, yet gets bored when someone's too available. He lacks self-restraint and is clearly a thrill-seeker. He'd be better off just seeking out friends with benefits or consensual one-time hookups.

[@MarceloZ2]

@@chunkymonkeychunky in the VN, there's several shades of Makoto. He can be a total jerk in some routes, and a reasonable teenager in other routes. In the Bavarois route (one of Sekai's good routes) for example, the jerk isn't Makoto, but rather Kotonoha. Right, the story starts the same way, so in the beginning, Makoto was dating Kotonoha, and then swayed to Sekai, but he *stood ground* in this route. But, his indecisiveness led him to not break up with Kotonoha immediately (he only broke up with her later in the route), but this made Sekai interpret the situation wrong, and she though Makoto still liked Kotonoha, so she gave up on him. Until she realized that she had been only fooling herself, and since Makoto was clearly unhappy being Kotonoha's boyfriend, Sekai decided to step up and be true to her feelings... But Kotonoha didn't took this well, oh no. She went to Makoto's house after talking to Sekai about this whole situation, and tried to force Makoto into having sex with her. Makoto finally got the initiative to break up with her, but she didn't listen. She buried him in her breasts, took a suggestive photo that looked like he was licking her breasts, and made Makoto promise that if she convinced Sekai to give up on him, he would be her boyfriend again. But then, she blatantly lied to Sekai, stretching the truth to absurd levels to blackmail her into giving up on him... Which suceeds. Then, after school, Kotonoha talks to Makoto about this, and when Makoto gets her to tell what she told Sekai, he gets disgusted by Kotonoha's atitude and rush to Sekai's house. Sekai is crying and say to Makoto just go to Kotonoha, since that's what he wants, which Makoto denies. Several hours later, Sekai's mom return from work with some bavarois from the local bakery, and give some to Sekai, which kinda cheers her up. Sekai's mom then asks if she can give some bavarois to the boy in the doorstep. Sekai asks who she's talking about, and she says that when she got home, she found this boy that kept saying that all of it was his fault and he wasn't going home until Sekai forgave him, and refusing her invitation to come in. Sekai then rushes to the door and hugs Makoto, while crying, saying she forgive him, in a really emotional scene. As I said, Kotonoha were the bad person of this route. Makoto was just an indecisive teenager who got emotionally played by Kotonoha. But in other routes, he can be a jerk, yes. Mainly in the bad ending routes, he is an astronomical jerk in those, in Bloody End, for example, he cultivates a relationship with Kotonoha all the way up until the very last end, where he ditches her in the most unsensitive way possible, which causes her to go yandere mode and kill Sekai in the train station with an oversized cleaver. In this route, Makoto was totally the one to blame, despite Kotonoha being the murderer. He was the reason why she snapped. So don't judge it solely based on the anime (tho, the anime was quite decent im a portrayal of a bad ending), the VN is more varied. The points of the video are valid, tho.

[@janisir4529]

The anime is a total dumpster fire, but isn't that why we watched it all? Unless you watched it blind when it aired.

[@namoma4922]

@@MarceloZ2 In the manga he is also more of an indecisive idiot than a jerk only interested in sticking it inside. But unfortunately for him sekai becomes the psycho...

[@epsyblue7714]

So Makoto can either be a cheating bastard at worse or a douche bag of a boyfriend at best? It's like he's aware of the player controlling him and is trying to fight it. Sekai sounds like the closest thing to an antagonist (at least in this route). I do feel bad for her though, especially how Makoto's dumbass friend risked impregnating her (sort of tells you a bit about his friend group). That whole thing about physical contact reminds when someone mentioned how you can break Yukari's social link in Persona 3 by trying to hug her. The context a bit different though.

[@someguywithabirdface2583]

School days where being gay is safest way to live.

[@ArCSelkie37]

Makotos friend is only the worst part of School Days honestly, having played most of the routes im not sure why they decided to somehow make him a worse person than Makoto.

[@PancakemonsterFO4]

Makoto is more akin to Flowey from Undertale, as in constantly offering you bad choices as a way to escape their own boredom and when they do suceed the ending won´t be pretty

[@Thefoop]

@@someguywithabirdface2583 Yeah, but even in CrossDays, it's still a yikes.

[@LiNestHetalia]

@@someguywithabirdface2583 sincerely, even the gay route was messed

[@Ghostgaming-hs8jk]

When I was in college my girlfriends friends told me when she wasn't around that they think I'm too clingy, I ask her this later and she told she enjoys my company. Her friends then make up some shit about me two timing her with my step sister who I was close too, she didn't believe it thank god but it cause me a lot of inner turmoil and cause me not to trust her, god I hate people.

[@alzingafagan7501]

Damn man. I think her friends just didn't like you two being together. Maybe they were missing some peanut butter to pair with their Jelly

[@tonyinfinite5174]

I know the feeling my best friend girlfriend spend time with me and cuz I was single every one thought I was backstabbing him Cancer culture is toxic

[@Ghostgaming-hs8jk]

@@alzingafagan7501 Yeah thanks Alzinga real people can be just as the School day character, just with less sex, sometimes

[@Zax-dq5sr]

That sound like a solid anime plot right there

[@MrGamenerd9999]

Can relate with me and my girlfriend as well Only instead of friends, it was her ex telling her demonizing stories about me She's a smart lady though so the only conflict this caused was a murderous tension in my heart, but that's not so bad

[@denkerbosu3551]

I am pretty ok with Makoto "challenging your decisions" though. He is clearly his own character instead of a blank for the player to push around, as awful or morally questionable as he is. I am also ok with how filled with drama all of the girls are, simply because they are consistent. Consistently awful, that is. But again, I would rather have questionable characters than inconsistent blank characters (inconsistent because they would move accordig to player choice, instead of asserting themselves) I don't like how vague they are when choosing stuff though.

[@SNPiru]

In the Witcher 3, one of my favorites characters wants to get a better life by selling a magical plague or something. You can either choose to tell her that countless innocents will die or say "I can't let you do this". I thought that by saying "I can't let you do this" would mean that I would try to reason with her, but instead it lead me to battling her and killing the character I love. That was beyond frustrating, thank God that I don't care about being save scum lol

[@nekonochesire6023]

Well in this case, the first option is the less radical one by trying to change her mind by making her realize the atrocy she might do, "I can't let you do that" doesn't show that you're trying to reason her, but rather full on stop her. So in this case the fault comes from your interpretation rather than the game's choice of words.

[@PancakemonsterFO4]

I mean it does sound like a forceful response...

[@namoma4922]

tbh most choice in witcher 3 are about choosing which is the least bad, it's intentional

[@pleasehelp1390]

I tend to view school days as less of an interactive visual novel and more of a cautionary tale of lust control. I know quite a lot of people in my own life who are scarily similar to Makoto, so I appreciate it because of it's realism, occasionally exaggerated as it may be.

[@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec]

To quote Kyubey: You didn’t ask for it.

[@babanbo-sama2072]

Faustian Bargains all the way!

[@downix]

Turtle: You're in a desert, walking along in the sand, when all of a sudden you look down. You look down and see a turtle. It's crawling toward you...

[@AnimeNoel]

I love that the VN is animated. I think its the only VN where its like this >^< I never played it but watched a no commentary playthrough of just the kotonoha route.

[@otakudaikun]

The CG is pretty awful sometimes but it was ambitious for sure.

[@thinaxanel378]

@@otakudaikun would you say the 2nd title (Sunny Days) has better choices, or does it have the same bad ones?

[@otakudaikun]

ThinaXanel Never played it.

[@kohtmik4716]

Go play it, it's worth it. (in the good endings. but in the bad endings, i don't fucking know.)

[@Cat-Nipples]

For what i understand shiny days is the better version if sunny days? Ive never played sunny days but shiny was good imo, this time tho makoto is into Setsuna and a new character wich route i didnt follow, so its 2 stories in 1

[@RockyGems]

It's like an escort mission where instead of protecting the NPC from getting attacked by enemies, you're protecting everyone else from his stupidity.

[@djibril012]

Congratulations, you managed to get the most decently human end ever of this game! And that a hell of an achievement! And ice of the cake : Makoto is Sekai's uncle from her father side, and Great-uncle from mother side ! ( Yep Makoto's father sex life is... In a nutshell in all the games where Makoto in the protagonist, most of the girls have blood ties with him. So yes you take the most decently human ending in more sense than what you can imagine...)

[@Ramsey276one]

HOLY CRAP!! 0_o

[@BRD-Senpai]

now you're playing with incest

[@Danariya1]

I remember I fucked up my route because when Makoto and Kotonoha were heaving sex for the first time I didn't click the "tell her to put condom on" option because I thought that I'd better do it mysef, I didn't want her feeling nervous about doing it since it was her first time and everything. What ended up happening is that Makoto jizzed on her before the penetration and he got so embarrassed that he ran away while Kotonoha was cleaning herself up. It was a bad move to just leave her there, but I could understand how he'd feel super ashamed of himself and wouldn't have the courage to look at Kotonoha, since, despite everything, he's still a teenage boy who may not know how to be mature enough to deal with that. What I absolutely hate however is how this stupid game forced me to Sekai's route after that

[@otakudaikun]

Yeah, it's like telling someone that it's okay to go to the toy store and they wind up trying to rob the place. It's like... What!?

[@marcorodriguez8792]

Wait really!? Now I have to check this out and confirm if you are really locked out of a Kotonoha ending because this sounds interesting

[@TheAccursedHunter01]

7:04 - 7:19 Saying that making Makoto a decent person is harder than herding cats really made me laugh. The game seems like it's goal is to be a glorious clusterfuck of drama among other things.

[@rickie3041]

All the people who say that Makoto was a bad person haven’t read the manga, he’s a total G in there.

[@moilevin7088]

@@rickie3041 That true Makoto in magna was a good guy, but the anime and the games didn’t help in that regard.

[@LiNestHetalia]

@@rickie3041 the manga sugar coated his character A LOT, Makoto is not a good person, and that's why he's interesting as a protagonist

[@andrewrogers3067]

How a choice system should be 1. Include choices that make sense in the context of the situation 2. Have a realistic choice at any moment that somebody might object to (Like you mentioned there should be a choice on whether or not somebody is going to split up or not when the situation rises) And 3. Allow somebody to be what they want to be as a person in the game, don't force somebody to be an asshole like in School Days, give them the option of being the type of person they wish to be. Lastly 4. Regardless of some choices, their needs to be realistic consequences. There's a few more things but that's the basics I feel

[@eldritchangel4058]

I still wonder what would have happened if I said yes when I was offered to join Team Rocket...

[@_Koyomi_]

My problem with Kara no Shoujo is that if you spend too much time in the investigation mini games, the game automatically assumes you've found all the clues you need and goes on to the next scene. This singlehandedly has prevented many people from getting to any satisfying ending because they constantly fail and won't know why, only to have to backtrack.

[@otakudaikun]

I didn’t realize it did that. So you have to find everything before a timer runs out?

[@_Koyomi_]

@@otakudaikun You either find everything before the time goes out or you spend too much time on the investigation and the game moves on. The problem is that they don't at all make that apparent to you so everyone that doesn't use a guide has to find out the hard way (myself included lol)

[@contown731]

Hey, I was actually a pretty good person in School Days. At the end of my playthrough the meter at the top was so heavily leaning Sekai that Kotonoha's name was blocked out because Sekai's meter passed over the game's intended limit... So "impossible to be a decent person?" Nay, all you must do is exclusively hit on Sekai and Makoto actually doesn't do anything shitty. Ever.

[@otakudaikun]

To my knowledge he sure takes his time breaking up with Kotonoha.

[@Exapico]

I see you are a man of exceptional taste who chose Sekai.

[@ArCSelkie37]

Tbh it’s one of the more annoying parts of the game. Because Kotonoha’s route is initially entirely unavoidable you can only go Sekai by effectively being a cheating dickbag.

[@skylernguyen8600]

In "Devil Survivor 2 Record Breaker" (3DS), one of the earliest choices, you can choose between continuing the story or get a game over. So hey I guess the choice of dying does exist somewhere.

[@Ramsey276one]

Now I can't remember how fast you could die in the first one...

[@godsson7533]

I played this game called Katawa shoujo. I got to a point where a character was feeling sad about the MC hooking up with her friend that she crushed on so I decide to pick Comfort her thinking I made the right choice only for the MC to cheat and segway to a bad ending.

[@FaizeofMist]

Oh my god, I was worried I was the only one who misinterpreted this choice. I was so embarrassed because the person who showed me the VN had said “you’d have to be an idiot to get the bad ending” so in my embarrassment I played it off like I was shooting for all the endings and did it for the bad ending on purpose. I deadass thought that “Comforting” Misha was us staying up, eating snacks, watching movies while she cried it out. So much so when we got the choice it was this, “yeah duh” moment, like this was the easiest choice in the world.

[@godsson7533]

@@FaizeofMist it's a meme among the fandom apparently XD

[@tonyinfinite5174]

The submissive protagonist is a feature in so many it made me give up on Harem's entirely 😒 Man I miss 90's anime when Harem was a sub genre of Shoujo

[@denkerbosu3551]

Wait... Shoujos? Is it the so called "reverse harems"? Still, therr are a few where the MCs aren't spineless, however they are mostly bastards to a degree. Like the MC in "Aesthetica of a Rogue Hero"

[@tonyinfinite5174]

@@denkerbosu3551 Highschol DxD and Trinity Seven are the few that don't, don't think any of those guys are bastards

[@nekonochesire6023]

There are quite a lot of chad MC in VN though. Grisaia, G-senjou no Maou, Majikoi, Sharin no Kuni, Princess Evangile (don't let the name fool you, it's a very good VN), all have great pro-active MC, though not much can handle the harem route (only Yuuji from Grisaia actually).

[@typecrimson2285]

@@denkerbosu3551 what do you mean by degree

[@spirz4557]

How to beat School Days : don't play it.

[@EvangelionFan-ru7ri]

Or get Makoto killed. That's the best option for everyone.

[@EvangelionFan-ru7ri]

@raynaldo arlen k.eman Doesn't he bang Kotonoha's mom in one of the spinoffs?

[@alcatraz109]

@@EvangelionFan-ru7ri not just Kotonoha's, Sekai's and Setsuna's too.

[@madambutterfly1997]

only the Japanese could successfully market the fetish of futanaris

[@TGameDev]

That game design though... As someone currently working on an RPG this was pretty educational, so thank you for the video! For visual novels the writing and choices like that is especially important though since that is the core of the game! Not like it's some bullet hell game with a bit of side story to get you more interested in the world or something. But, just from the onset it seems like they may have been lacking in people to review their work at the time. A pretty bad habit in general for developers is NOT putting their product in front of people soon enough. Not other developers either but people from different backgrounds.

[@agk5631]

This was really fun watch and intriguing of a rundown summary of your choices through this intriguing travesty.

[@downix]

There is only one "both answers give the same results" in a game I ever enjoyed. In Little Busters there is a choice to go out or stay in, and if you stay in one of your friends says 'no', sending you back to the same choice. If you say to stay in 100 times, you unlock a joke.

[@otakudaikun]

That’s kinda awesome though. I love hidden stuff like that.

[@i.s.a.t.newroman8992]

1st playground choose decent option as possible 2nd playthrough choose weird option as possible 3rd playthrough and the rest randomly choosing option to unlock the endings and enjoy the "scene" on gallery because it was animated, ah~ satisfaction,

[@anadaere6861]

Is it possible to not even choose any of options at all

[@CascadianPatriotII]

Four words: _Cross Days,_ "Only You." Now _that's_ what I call a good choice. 😋

[@MihariofMabinogi]

Something that comes to mind for me is the ending of Fallout 3. Your initial options are either die and forfeit any post-game content or sacrifice Sarah Lyons and have many people passive-aggressively implying that you're a coward for doing so. If you recruited Fawkes, who's a super mutant and thus could handle the final obstacle without dying horribly, you can ask him to do it. But he'll basically spout off some excuse about how "it's your destiny" and he "refuses to rob you of that". It shows that the devs knew this was plausible and arguably the best solution, but valued their "but thou must!" BS over rewarding the player's cleverness. Then, when people started complaining, Bethesda decided to make players pay money to unlock his common sense through the Broken Steel DLC. All the other writing blunders in the game culminating in that really made me see just how unfit Bethesda was (and still is) to inherit the Fallout franchise from Interplay.

[@Kuudere-Kun]

I have a lot of fundamental disagreement with how people interpret School Days. In the VN is Makoto is always a pretty decent person even when you're trying to get a horrible ending. I only downloaded game just today and came to revisit this video after reaching the first choice that I felt seemed significant which is at 9:50 in this video. My goal was is to pursue Sekai because my view from I knew going in is that the writers consider them the two meant to be together. i had forgotten because the first time I watched this video and assumed clicking "I think Sekai" was how to get onto a Sekai route, instead it's result in Makoto concluding Sekai clearly obviously does not like him. So yeah it definitely is designed to trick a blind player into picking the wrong choice. Unless it's just a translation issue, maybe those seemed like the most literal translations of what the Japanese said but there is some untranslatable nuance making the correct option more intuitive in Japanese. Making a thing out of getting Kotonoha's first name certainly culturally in a situation like that. An English player is likely to just plain underestimate how much bigger a deal that is in Japan. I would know enough about this to be concerned that pressing that issue to aggressively might to unwarted consequences later.

[@gonzaloaraujo2101]

Wait! Do people really play this like it's a normal harem vn? I played just to see the drama and hatred that could arise between the characters. but deep in my heart I was waiting for a happy ending :( . . . and my parents saw me playing in the scene of sekai and makoto kissing me at the train doors (at that moment my dignity died)

[@otakudaikun]

That's a cute moment tho lol. Nah, the point of this vid was to prove you can't play it like a normal VN.

[@swordfighter18]

i just played this game. Got Kotonoha hotel ending on the first try.

[@titang6173]

Good on you.

[@altzerz]

Where can I download

[@Venom1846]

This whole idea of idiotic choice is much more heavily prevalent in Western RPG's. Black and White morality ftw. I found it most annoying in Bethesda and Bioware games where there's no middle ground and you either have to be a sadistic evil maniac or a true alrtuist with no sense of self (see Knights of the Old Republic). At least in Obsidian games you can get a false middle ground when it isn't Chris Avelone beating you to death with his biased writing.

[@WinterFlowerSakura]

I was surprise that this would be a lore story video of School Days but it's a Choice words in gaming. If you do a lore story on School Days from the anime version , you should try the visual lore story of where it began which it involves with Mokoto's father who's the very very very worst disgusting protagonist Tomaru Sawagoe. Read about him and also two girls are related to the protagonist of Makoto and his friend Taisuke is also related to him too. This game was made by developers OverFlow.

[@ivanbluecool]

Kirito with consequences basically. Also when the dude did get both he makes fun of cross dressers so he was never a good person anyways. But the style is cool like a pick your own adventure anime but I could care less for anyone

[@otakudaikun]

Yeah but Kirito would never abandon Asuna even if he were screwing other gals.

[@ivanbluecool]

@@otakudaikun that statement alone is what is wrong with Kirito with all the girls around him. He knows he likes Asuna so he should have made it clear. Also he broke his cousins heart twice and made her chest shrink 3 sizes somehow. Overall I don't care for Sao after seeing season 1 and some of gun Gale but Kirito is still what this guy in school days would be if not lucky with desperate girls.

[@SuperAmaton]

@@ivanbluecool Same, asside from SAO Abriged i don't give a rat's ass about SAO. The Game itself is something noone would ever play, the Story isn't beliveable, the Romance has no meaning with Kirito not saying no to his "Entourage", Deus Ex Machina-Moments, no Growth, i think you get the picture. Even other, somewhat simular Titles like Infinite Dendogram, Overlord, Shield-Hero, Slime, etc. are very far from perfect, but they are way more preferable than SAO.

[@ivanbluecool]

@@SuperAmaton yeah I feel that way and more so the cast is always changing while I don't feel much for the cast replacements and ones replaced. Sure Asuna looks pretty but I don't care really for anyone. Just say the first season some gun Gale figured out the ending immediately and the ova which was actually better than both as it was ok. I don't hate it I had some enjoyment but it's just so bad and Kirito is not interesting in any way so much so that the English va does the same voice every single time for his roles in story. Comparison would be hf from fsn or gintama. I like seeing gintama but have no desire to get into. I did get into hxh and berserk Last year though and hf just seeing it to see it end really and some action stuff plus illya but sudou messed it up so badly somehow. But yeah Sao I just move past and let people enjoy I'd they do. The abridged was funny though

[@traverserthein-between9359]

@@otakudaikun Kirito doesn't deserve the shit he gets, even before public opinion turned in Alicization. Yeah, he'd never cheat on Asuna, he's fully committed. In universe it isn't his fault he has a back up harem.

[@TBoneTony]

Definitely one of the games where you can be a decent person to get the best ending, but School Days is a game where you can be as bad as you want just to see how brutal the ending can be. I got Kotonoha's good ending the first playthrough and enjoyed the Hentai scene at the end. Then I decided to be awful to see how crazy the bad endings got. Needless to say, I was pleased to see how the brutal the endings got. School Days is one of those visual novels where being animated makes it all the more enjoyable.

[@MentalOutlvl6]

I actually reread it and I think it's often misunderstood that makoto is a teenage boy and its understandable but his dad isnt the best person from what I gathered also kotonoha really didn't show much interest into makoto until sekai said something so you can look at that as possible trigger neglecting his feeling which caused him to lose interest but maybe he didnt want to hurt them it's hard to say what he intended to accomplish but the problem is he can be himself around sekai as a friend and he emotionally loves kotonoha

[@simplicityisoftenthebest7856]

My favorite choice in Fallout 4 Sarcasm, but seriously I don't want to lead a girl on like that leave a terrible feeling in my stomach 🤢

[@pestilence05]

HAHA that game its really a dumpster on fire, remember I was trying to get the harem ending but whatever I did always got trapped on sekkai's o kotonoha's route, one day bored, put it on random (yes, this game has RANDOM) and comically in the end was the Harem ending I was looking for; I was like "dude the choices the game did makes no sense at all" still I like the game overall, is really funny how idiotic the characters can be sometimes, specially in SummerDays where setsuna is the protagonist.

[@ArCSelkie37]

Have you seen the flow chart they provide in game? It’s a fuckin mess.

[@SpeckyX3]

Me: Hello turtle Turtle: Hello *explodes* //Like if you get it

[@stevenchoza6391]

I’d avoid mentioning anything about this travesty.

[@beeroniousy860]

I really enjoyed your video. It’s the first time I’ve seen your work and I was pointed on here by a friend due to the fact that I am quite fond of School Days and am well aware of what a loveable dumpster fire it is (perfect analogy btw). Having played pretty much all the routes this trash fire has to offer, I have my own ideas as to what they were going for with their choices in this game. Whether or not they succeeded is another story. I view the player as being less in control of Makoto so much as that you are playing the role of that little invisible angel (or devil) whispering guidance to our hero. Makoto is, at his core, a spineless wimp. Through your choices he can become something better (or often something far worse). You may push him to stand up and be a better (or decent) person, but his own cowardice gets in the way. Again, I think this is what they were going for. And yes, there are times where they are vague (or possibly stuffing up translations). A VN that does this sort of approach far better is Flowers:Le volume sur primtemps. In that VN you play the role of Suoh, a girl with incredibly low self esteem, not the greatest social skills, and is generally afraid of people. Early on in particular, there are choices where you can choose to be more assertive, but choosing them often results in her faltering and backing away. This does a good job of establishing Suoh as a character. I think this could be an interesting question to ask. Just how much control should you have on a character? And how much can you defy their own nature. Also, as a side not, you mention how getting killed in School Days should be the result of horrible ignorance. There are four endings that result in some form of significant violence and death. In my opinion, to get those four endings you have to have Makoto behave as a complete and utter asshole, or engage in acts of colossal ignorance. Either way, I just want to reiterate how much I enjoyed this video and I intend to check out more of your content in the future. Keep up the good work.

[@otakudaikun]

Thank you^^

[@PyroGobbo]

What surprise me is that there is never a get the yandere arrested option in dating sims.

[@imamanofculture5221]

As long as I have the save and load button I could not care less about what option I choose.

[@ShadowGaming-vv9ut]

Same dude.

[@Clerontoposio]

Man I love this game even when I HATE Makoto as an MC! I played School Days in japanese when it was released,a "fully animated VN" was too mind blowing at the time,I remember I was SO frustrated with Makoto's actions,It's true my Japanese wasn't that good at the time (not that is perfect now XD) but I did everything I could to get in the Kotonoha route...and after the first time with Kotonoha...Makoto just ran off to bang Sekai THE NEXT DAY (Sekai didn't hook up with Taisuke while I was playing) the end is the same that the route you talked about in the video...but I HATED that Makoto took away all my control and left Kotonoha for Sekai even when I NEVER gave any hope to Sekai. Also when I played Summer Days I started to HATE Sekai too,when you realize she manipulates Setsuna...her childhood friend who has a crush on Makoto because he protected her when she was bullied,to take her part time job at a restaurant by saying that Makoto lived close to the place and she gets REALLY mad if Setsuna DOES hook up with Makoto...wow thanks Sekai! Not to mention that Sekai offered Setsuna help to hook up with Makoto before Summer Days,and in School Days Setsuna does have this crush so Sekai is betraying not only Kotonoha but also her childhood friend from the start. That was a long rant...thanks Dai! I really needed to get this off of my chest XD

[@MegaPokefan97]

Isn't school days that one anime that was regarded as the worst anime ever created? Still better than Rise of Skywalker

[@zacharyrodriguez4348]

Yes, it was ...

[@captainrex1718]

I agree...

[@kurtsurban2081]

It's pretty bad, the dude is basically the cheater that got what was coming to him but the people he cheated on got really murder happy

[@otakudaikun]

It’s definitely not the worst.

[@SuperAmaton]

The Witcher 3: 1. Tell you what the Emperor's after if you let us go 2. (shove Dijkstra asside forcefully) Choses Option 2 Geralt breaks Dijkstra’s Leg (again) This is why i play DnD every Sunday. Because you make the Choice to shapeshift into the Mayor, ask the local Priestess about her sexual orientation and tell the Werewolf-Leader you were just "tricked" into killing his underlings.

[@emikolina5439]

To be or not to be, that is the question! Thank you Shakespeare for these words that are clearly being used poorly here

[@vDorgengoa]

Lmao. This was enjoyable!! I liked how you navigated the game and chose the option Makoto technically wanted to start with. The game shows, however, that Sekai is a poor choice for a long term mate. Manipulative, betraying, and willing to bang his friend for a reaction from him... While if I were Makoto, I would have probably chosen her before even pursuing Kotoha...... I would have had alot more respect for her had she just come clean with her own feelings instead of trying to become the love interest's best friend. She was very fake for that and could be nothing more than a side piece (which is unfair to Kotonoha).

[@SharinganMaster24]

Nice Outlaw Star composition in the background

[@ViNncentSmith]

Thats was an amazing video You should defenitly make more like this in the future

[@razelanquartzsaver6419]

I'd question anyone who gave School Days a 10/10 in MAL lol.

[@alzingafagan7501]

I had friends who ragged on it and after hearing about and seeing all the list where it was in the upper 5, I just didn't feel to watch it. Oh and if I had to choose between it and Goblin Slayer's first episode, I'd watch the first episode on repeat, because its not torture to watch that on repeat,(please don't tell me to watch Goblin Slayer, I beg you)

[@enforcerridley158]

@@alzingafagan7501 Goblin Slayer isn't bad.

[@anadaere6861]

@@enforcerridley158 yah It does give the sense of danger when traversing territories of hostiles but that would be logical in a world where just about anyone can die with a misstep

[@babanbo-sama2072]

I will give it a 10/10 for killing Makoto.

[@MUSTARDMACDADDY]

I gave it a 10 out of 10 for..you know being a great anime?

[@traverserthein-between9359]

From what I've played of Summer Days, the pseudo-sequal/alternate universe of School Days, while Makoto *can* be a total asshole a good deal of the times when things go awry its because of mutual miscommunication. He also has his sister around, we know more about him, and he doesn't have that bland look on his face, being able to smile. Now I can't say its perfect since I haven't completed all routes or seen all bad ends .... *all* of them, but I do think its a substantial improvement. School Days is that weird territory where those in the know do want to tell others the VN is better, but its divisive in its own way. I give it props for ambition, seeing as how it was a "fully animated" VN with a timer but the animation is repetitive with loops and has major continuity errors, *especially* in sex scenes. And yeah, when I first played the game and got a handle of controls, I did the straight and narrow thing the first time around by sticking with Kotonoha but still felt punished by what happened to Sekai as a result. I know there is the seemingly mutual harem ending, but having to juggle everyone around to get it felt icky.

[@Ogihci2]

I'd love it if I could find a dating sim game where you can make friends with everyone of them and pursue romance with one girl WITHOUT IT GOING TITS UP JUST CAUSE SOMEONE DOESN'T"T LIKE THE GIRL AND NOW LIKE HALF THE GROUP IS MAD AT YOU!!!!!

[@HumanPikachu]

This whole thing reminds me of the infamous bar scene in Tell Tale's "The Wolf Among Us" (one of their better entries). You, the player as Biggby Wolf are given a list of choices while your long time rival is apologizing for his drunken attack earlier in the game. And one of the options is just [Glass Him] no context, clues, or anything else. It has to be one of the most humanizing scenes for the character and... the sharpest left turn if you choose that option.

[@otakudaikun]

That’s amazing. I just saw that scene for the first time last night. Perfect example of a vaguely worded choice.

[@hmshood9212]

Lol I got the same route my first time around. Kotonoha is such a cinnamon roll. Sekai I like too but I had to break her heart into a million pieces. But she’s still a good friend and I would punch Taisuke’s face in for mistreating her.

[@ultima1033]

'While Santa watches with a bucket of fried chicken' SANTA NOOO! You're on the clock! That killed me. XD

[@Chronicles-fz7kv]

This game set the standards for a good ending real low. I remember my first playthrough, always "practicing" with sekai at any possible moment but still got the kotonoha christmas ending, df????? And in different playthroughs, how does choosing to fuck sekai in the harem route lead to the good ending(because choosing to fuck kotonoha leads to sekai feeling jealous and saying "itS nOt aBoUt thE SeX" then bad end "ded").

[@ManicGrin_Tonytax17]

Still a nice ass boat tho

[@Ramsey276one]

That one is forever! XD

[@MentalOutlvl6]

I think this could have been avoided but makoto is kind of clueless when it comes to women emotions and it almost feels like hes desperate I think kotonoha became obsessed with makoto didn't help the fact she cheated doesn't help either so he felt resentment so then sekai and other girls come into the picture I think from the standpoint he could be possibly scared of getting hurt due to the whole kotonoha thing which kind he used other girls as a way to protect himself and not allow himself to get emotionally hurt

[@otakudaikun]

Kotonoha doesn’t cheat in the route I play.

[@MentalOutlvl6]

@@otakudaikun theres one which makoto does the mom and sekai and other adults

[@blazingsonic]

OtakuDaikun: *Talks* Me: *Jams to the Outlaw Star BGM.*

[@Ramsey276one]

Thanks for the reference!

[@tespenkr9924]

I like how School Days shows Sekai and Kotonoha's decent to madness. Yandere is part of their development rather than being the character itself. Also, Setsuna is best girl.

[@nightslashprime9975]

There was only one visual novel I had issue's with and it was called Aoishiro, whenever I going though that it felt like I wasn't going any where in that game and I kept running into annoying bad ends and honestly I dont plan on going back to that game any time soon

[@drax7950]

Some choice based games are really great like fallout New Vegas

[@jnut9494]

That game was rad

[@Hakelous]

Shiny days was a little more moral but makato barely plays a part in the main story

[@beeroniousy860]

I dunno about that. Depending on the path, he does some even worse actions (like try to rape 9-10yo Kokoro).

[@ArCSelkie37]

He more than tries.

[@bohgdenthelurker278]

I think what annoys me about this game/anime is that it seems to try and make us want to see the gorier endings. As you noted near every turn you make Makoto just seems to be a dick, from trying to get physical with Kotonoha over and over even after she explained why it makes her uncomfortable. To just not outright telling Sekai that he's not interested and that he would be cheating on his girlfriend. His behavior almost feels like the game is trying to say, "Hey you hate this guy right? I mean he's such a dumbass, not to mention an indecisive prick. Don't you want to see him suffer for what he's done? Besides that's more fun and interesting." As if the romance isn't what's interesting but the sex and gore that results from bad choices. Bad choices that are flat out pushed on you without your say in some cases. Just feels like a game where it's only priority is it's sex and violence. I've got no real problem with that as they can be very interesting and engaging, but this does feel shallow in the long run. Which I think is why School Days is more a so bad it's good kind of deal. Though straight up. Fuck Taisuke, Makoto may be a bit of a douche even in this route, but Taisuke is just an asshole. As to an example of this sort of bad choice mechanics, an easy one is Fallout 4. Bad enough that it's far more limited than previous entries, but the shorter phrases for each choice make it more vague what your character will actually say or do. The worst part, and the moment I lost interest in the game, was when you get to find the man who kidnapped your son. He's shown to be surprisingly level headed and even somewhat remorseful. But when you meet him you have no choice but to kill him, like you're not even given a choice to try and reason with him or anything. Sure it may not have worked but so what? There have been moments in previous games where you try to negotiate but the other guy says no. And hell you can't even choose your motivation for killing him, all the choices amount to is what sort of thing vengeful thing your character says before they start shooting. It makes sense from a character standpoint, you play as a spouse whose family has been destroyed and the man who killed your lover and stole your child is standing in front of you ready to fight. But in a series about choice and how you shape the character into what you want, having a moment that takes your ability to shape the character away just feels annoying.

[@giominus7402]

I always forget how wild of a game School Days was. What a throw back.

[@JPG.01]

WARNING: THIS WILL BE A WALL OF TEXT CONTAINING SPOILERS The greatest choice in a game where I did not like both possible outcomes I found in my Number 1 favorite Game: Infinite Space for the Nintendo DS ( aka the best game you never played, an RPG made by Platinum Games) There is this female character that you meet in the first half of the game. "Katida Lanco is the granddaughter of Jozefo Lanco. Perhaps due to her wealthy upbringing, Katida is a carefree, cheerful and somewhat naive girl with an adventurous spirit." - directly from the wiki. She has a hormone deficiancy syndrome that makes her incapable of undertaking long space voyages. Yet she sneaks onto your Ship and takes a trip down the most dangerous space route imaginable. Right next to a red supergiant star with space pirates all over the place, whoever made that route there probably was a moron. Long story short your ship takes an increased amount of space radiation while she is in your storage room which is a live threatening situation for her. When you arrive at the next possible spaceport she is found and you scramble to find a hospital to save this girls live. Her kidnapping already almost brought nations to war in which you fight later anyway and made the player character "Yuri" commit... legally gray actions to put it mildly. By that I mean behaving like a space pirate and invading an autonomous domain which is run by a second generation dictator, or feudal lord is what the game calls him. When she is in the hospital you have two options: 1. You give her a stern lecture 2. You yell at her The player character is 16 at the time and she is 14 I believe. So yelling at her would actually be the "in character" choice If you yell at her, you get the chance to buy some flowers to apologize. And now the consequences. If you just give her a stern lecture, or yell at her without apologizing or yell at her and apologize without siding with the nation her Grandfather is a part of, she becomes an enemy boss in the second half of the game which takes place 10 years later. A badass who will give you a run for your money if you're not prepared and will load off her anger and bitterness at you for leaving her behind, guilt tripping any player who might have liked her in the first half of the game. The second option is, that she becomes a submissive and probably broken(spiritually speaking) character by being married off to an enemy general but becoming a recruit-able character which is plain useless(mechanically speaking) by that point in the game, because you have better options of assignable crew members. She has this perpetually sad anime girl expression... it just hurts to have her around. Your choices are she is an enemy, or she is dead weight.

[@otakudaikun]

That sounds both frustrating and believable.

[@nobullshitgaming9776]

Interesting thing about agreeing with the bad guy one time choice, in breath of fire 3 you'll end up doing just that if you do so.

[@Yami-no-Raiden]

Remember how in Ib, if you save Gary, then he forces you to go into a storage room where [Spoilers for this decade old RPG horror game] the painting of Mary is? Despite the exit to this horrorland being right next to this door...and is UNBLOCKED? This forces Mary to freak out upon entering and starts chasing you with a scapel, and leaves you no choice but to make it to her painting to burn it, thus killing her? This was such an obvious "huh" moment that someone made a fan edition of the game where you can just implore Gary to leave without needlessly checking the storage room. And if you do? You can get a new ending that follows up on a dialogue choice that you can make in the original game, that had lead to nowhere in the original game.

[@otakudaikun]

What game is this?

[@Yami-no-Raiden]

@@otakudaikun Ib, an RPG horror puzzle game where you find yourself trapped in an alternate dimension where this famous artist's works come to life as incomplete abominations and you try to escape.

[@otakudaikun]

The Chaotic Trickster lb isn’t an abbreviation?

[@Yami-no-Raiden]

@@otakudaikun Nope, that is the name of the game's titular character.

[@setsunakyuuki4369]

2:02 exactly you choose one or the other because it's called democracy.

[@Operator214MerchantMarine]

WTF ??!! i didnt know that both of those girls were deranged in the visual novels 😳😳 i only saw the anime were Kotonoha was the only one that is unhinged 😱😱😱

[@otakudaikun]

I mean, Sekai stabbed the dude to death in the anime.

[@anadaere6861]

This reminds me of Farcry 5 Where the best ending is to not even start the game Sure is a bit realistic when you enter a town armed with weapons and you're arresting the guy those same armed guys built a statue of

[@Apex_Slide]

Rin Tezuka's route, Katawa Shoujo.. How do you deal with an aloof artist who's also quite introverted? Her route was the most frustrating route of all. I managed to get through Emi's and Lilly's routes simply by making the choices I felt were most appropriate. Granted, Katawa doesn't have much in the way of "bad" choices, but Rin's were the most touch and go.. there's one scene right before the last act that gives you the choice to either walk away, or try to reconcile... You'd never have guessed the right choice is to walk away, because if you chose to reconcile, she ends up yelling at you and ending the relationship. That honestly killed me inside, because I know a person whose personality matches hers almost to a T, yet talking to him is nothing like going through her route..

[@otakudaikun]

Oh that’s awful. I tend to be persistent and hate leaving arguments to simmer.

[@NinaStory-ce5dm]

The anime and game was supposed to explain about the dark side of young love and lust and showes makoto character well hes an confused person who wants intimancy

[@MrDarksol]

Oh School Days, the memories I have of the show were........oof. At least the VN was all right......until I realized that while I was playing the game, most of the choices did not feel right to me, almost as if the game was forcing me to go a path and an outcome I did not want. So I went with a guide to make sure I was going to get a good outcome but even if that, some weird choices still slip in the cracks and make no sense. I think the ending you got was the same ending I got because Seikai got her friends with her, Kotonoha is with the dumbass and said dumbass is not a head on a damn boat.........and there are still 20 endings in the VN itself. No thank you game, I am good with the happy ending I got and as always great job with the video, although it would be weird to play a VN where the decision to eat pizza somehow translates to save the world with the power of love and bang your sexy childhood friend. Oh and Turtles are awesome! I think the only times I played a game where my decisions are either hidden or bullshit was when I played Tales of Xillia 2 where despite the normal ending and the true ending gave you something great, the end result just feels empty and not rewarding and some recent Fire Emblem games.

[@BradLad56]

I approve of the Outlaw Star instrumental 👍

[@TheOminousFlareShow]

I think that's the point: to deconstruct the choices in harem romance visual novels. It's not so much to be immersive or versatile but to highlight the darker consequences of not choosing a girl. Kanon made by "Key" for example had a similar story structure where it's implied that certain heroines you don't choose end up with either a bittersweet fate or just downright tragedy. It probably predated School Days in terms of showing such fridge horror in VNs, but School Days takes the next step in bringing such horror to the forefront. Totono would further take this to a more extreme degree by further telling the player it's your fault for not choosing one of the heroines.

[@otakudaikun]

Yeah, but I feel like if most of us had full autonomy over the situation, we could have avoided the tragedy.

[@JackOBlades0801]

*Glass him* was an option in the game "The Wolf Amongst Us." I'm not familiar with the phrase, but based on the tone of the scene, I did NOT expect my character to turn and slam a glass into the face of the person he was speaking with.

[@otakudaikun]

I saw that clip. Perfect example of a misleading choice.

[@Ramsey276one]

Tokyo Drift has nothing on that shocking swerve!

[@jacek107ify]

basically its Sekkiro, Dark Souls or Nioh of visual novel xD they are so difficult that most boss fights end with instant kill xD

[@Osiris2994]

I know this might sound weird but have you considered doing a reaction video to Project Mouthwash's Fate Abridge series?

[@otakudaikun]

Seems kinda shallow to make a derivative vid like that.

[@Osiris2994]

@@otakudaikun Its just a thought. I wouldn't call it shallow since you'd be promoting Project Mouthwash's works. I just wanna know what you think about it since they raise interesting points about the Fate series.

[@viruschris3160]

I know of School Days for the “iconic” anime ending. Sheesh this is a bad Harem game. I don’t want to be a jerk person. This is why when I do a Harem game/manga/anime I do a Harem ending and make all characters likable. Otherwise why make a Harem story that doesn’t end with a Harem?

[@danishsyed1068]

Because someone has get it

[@crossdaboss8914]

How did me and you do almost the exact same things in school days

[@VacadoRay]

10:03 so were all going to ignore that he said that. Ok moving on

[@alzingafagan7501]

As a mild connoisseur of visual novels and tasteful eroge, I can feel for that. I played through Bible Black and fell into a loop of the same ending until I have to ultimately go to a guide website to find out how to get the last ending. And in my most recent acquisitions, one if which is a VN where your in lover with your teacher, I play the nice guy card and not bang my love interests best friend for 'experience' and instead went straight to her and got in her panties, that's where I plan to stay for my initial playthrough before playing the douche card and bang the entire volleyball team to my detriment. Even in to that video games, you get some of the vaguest choices known to man like, 'This man killed your mother, do you hate him?' Obviously you can say yes you hate the guy, but you might get choices that don't even reflect that. Overall, I would probably pick up School Days and play it for the 'better' endings it has and probably shelf it after that but honestly I've seen better choice As out of straight up p*rn games where your choices obviously will be bang dame A or dame B, with the occasional dame Z in the background.

[@miguelaponte8876]

Dang, I'm happy I never saw the anime, or played this. It sounds like a nightmare playing it. Especially with those extreme horrible endings. And here I thought playing games or watching anime was to have fun, and destress. Guess some people like that stuff.

[@ArCSelkie37]

Honestly, you’re lucky you haven’t seen/played it. Some of the characters are decent, mostly Sekai and Kotonoha. But it all gets ruined by random bad endings and other distasteful events that are either unavoidable or pretty illogical. No idea what they were thinking when they made this game honestly.

[@Firedrake-SP]

There’s a game called “Sakura Wars So Long My Love” where in Ratchet’s Route felt more like Gemini’s Route because Ratchet’s Route used the exclusive scenes from Gemini’s route. That maybe fine for most players, but for me it didn’t feel right. Here’s a link to a playlist of the game for those who’ve never heard of the game: kzbin.info/aero/PLqhYsB-P5YadzbDdO6DUmQxILy2EAfULO

[@humrH2360]

Bethesda's RPGs in general come to mind, especially since Oblivion back in 2006, as you're often railroaded and forced to make "decisions" in order to proceed with a questline or denied a middle road altogether. Oblivion was hyper-linear in itself. Skyrim's stand-outs for me are the Companions questline where you MUST become a werewolf to proceed, the Paarthurnax Dilemma where you're not allowed to even try and persuade the Blade to stay in your service without killing Paarthurnax, and god knows how many Daedric artifact quests. And lets not forget the mess that was Fallout 4 with its "Yes, No, Maybe (But Actually Yes), Sarcasm" dialogue quartet.

[@michaelcampbell1170]

if you want a H game dating sim, I would recommend Shuffle! and it's sequels/remakes. There's also an anime for it(an amalgamation of routes) and OVA if you don't care to go for the games.

[@otakudaikun]

I enjoyed the shuffle anime. Not sure if I’d wanna get even more into that universe though.

[@michaelcampbell1170]

@@otakudaikun Fair enough. Btw, are you excited for the new Higurashi anime?

[@MentalOutlvl6]

I have this on dvd I enjoyed it while no one is just you have to watch shiny days because it doesn't show everything including what drove makoto to do what he did or what kotonoha did also sekai should have just been straight up with her feelings but it's a lot more it only shows makoto messes with school girls but he had more lovers including older women so it's a lot to drive someone over the edge at that point can they truly be responsible when someone pushed them to the point of insanity sekai loves makoto from the beginning she does it because she wants to make him happy

[@ignisofficialgaming]

Most frustrating choice in gaming: playing School Days of my own free will

[@gundamnduke0]

man, I hate that if you go with one girl, the other girl will get the shit ending.

[@edwinsandra5904]

Nice boat

[@haneefy8700]

Makoto might be bad, but wait til you see his dad

[@n3kopuf]

what did his dad do??