Schopenhauer On the Vanity & Suffering of Life

A reading from Arthur Schopenhauer's "The World as Will and Idea" Volume III, chapter 46 "On The Vanity And Suffering Of Life" translated by R. B. Haldane and read by Expatriate. This comes from LibriVox and is in the public domain. This is a version of an upload from the previous channel. Note, the audio has been slightly edited.
#philosophy #schopenhauer #pessimism

[@czarquetzal8344]

Schopenhauer's philosophy is not pessimism; it's realism.

[@LuisFlores-mc2tc]

It is as close to the void you can get without falling in

[@mism847]

It’s not realism at all.

[@Daniel-ef7nk]

​@@mism847so you believe life involves more joy than pain? If you do I think you need to take a more unbiased look at it.

[@nahuelpatania3522]

Exactly. I always thought the same. Saying it is a "pessimistic" philosophy implies that there is a more "neutral" philosophy with respect to which Schopenhauer's philosophy is negatively biased. For me this is simply REALISM. I don't find what Artur expressed false at all.

[@Daniel-ef7nk]

@@nahuelpatania3522 yes it only takes a bit of effort to see that life invariably involves more pain than pleasure, but most people do not think clealry

[@DawsonSWilliams]

Schopenhauer resonates with those of us who have experienced the adversity of life.

[@Dutch_bastard_23]

And those of us who refuse to accept the standard miss America speech type consolations/motivations of: "just go and do what feels right", following senseless and deceptive instinctual drives, "and you'll feel better. Pull yourself up from your dark pit bla bla etc etc" (jordan peterson)

[@mism847]

⁠@@Dutch_bastard_23The last one is true, though. You need to pull yourself out of the dark. And your drive doesn’t need to be deceptive at all, in fact it should be as reasonable as possible.

[@lynnfisher3037]

Everyone and everything experiences aging illness and death. This absolutely is hell. 😂😂😂😂

[@lynnfisher3037]

​@@Dutch_bastard_23BLA BLA BLA Dutch😂😂😂😂

[@anhumblemessengerofthelawo3858]

It is not life that is adversarial, but death

[@languagegame410]

o, beloved Arthur S... one of my favorite German thinkers... how furiously i did feast upon his published works... ravenous in my appetite... and so sorrowful when the last page of the last book was turned before my weeping eyes in this ever dimming world.

[@kimyunmi452]

arthur's books are the consolation of my life and will be the consolation of my death.

[@kimyunmi452]

O..wittgenstein..why are your eyes teary?

[@greatexpectations6577]

My prophet, my savior.

[@lynnfisher3037]

The UNTENIBILLNESS of OPTIMISM. Felt that all my life. Now in my old age it screams it's truthfulness.

[@Mani.7600]

That's so great! Thank you so much for uploading it.

[@kimyunmi452]

This is the consolation of my life and shall be the consolation of my death.

[@MMAGUY13]

I never realized that life is only suffering when I was a child I would suffer but not realize it as I get older and I look back at everything. I realized most of the time I’m not happy with school getting up early being off Saturday and Sunday, thinking work is Monday and that gave me suffering all the hard jobs trying to pay the bills The medical problems, my wife leaving me for five months, slamming my fingers in car doors, and now being old and only going to have Social Security to live on which is not enough I hate it life and I look forward to death

[@mussaramadan]

You forgot your first kiss, woman, toy, favorite meal,.......

[@MMAGUY13]

@@mussaramadan if there was no God, then it was not worth it. I’d rather have not been brought into existence and stay sleeping, then to be in a fetal position on my deathbed going into the blackness after a lifetime of struggle. But yes you’re right there are moments in life where it is joyful and I’m taking my cross and I’m going forward. Jesus says he will fold his universe up and make a brand new one made for happiness right now God is dealing with the Devil with man’s rebellion with sin as soon as that’s all destroyed then we will live the way God intended

[@mussaramadan]

​@MMAGUY13 God is real the proof is the universe. This universe is marvelous made by a marvelous God. So we are a products of a marvelous God. The suffering is just one part of that product, and it's necessary, and Jesus came with a message from God to us, "minimize the suffering "

[@MMAGUY13]

@@mussaramadan amen. I have the same worldview as you were in a world, cursed by God at the beginning with Adam and Eve, and I’m waiting for the redemption of our souls and a new creation. In the Bible agrees with me men’s days are short and filled with trouble. You could just look out your window and see war, disease and poverty, but I’m following Christ.

[@mism847]

If you didn’t realize it, there probably wasn’t that much of it. If there was a lot of suffering in ones life, anyone would be able to notice it in themselves without any shred of doubt. I’m sure you’ve had good moments too.

[@JB-du3qv]

This essay is just one banger after another!

[@lynnfisher3037]

Maybe you should go to your SAFEROOM 😂😂😂😂

[@dalegriffin6768]

Life is like a ship with a thousand holes, and all we do is try to plug them until death

[@tonysandy7803]

Loneliness is a withdrawal symptom from contact with others (unconscious addiction). To be alone is the choice to deliberately withdraw from the company of others (conscious choice). It is the desire for interaction with others that leads to conflict and misery.

[@redrustyhill2]

Not entirely. Contact with others is necessary for humans to survive. Contact with stewoid ignorant imbecils is what causes misery, individuals who should not exist if natural laws were obeyed, individuals who would have been eliminated from the gene pool through natural selection if humans wouldn't interfere and work so hard protecting the genetically defictive and mentally deficient, actually encouraging them to reproduce.

[@dalegriffin6768]

Birth was the mistake because it created a the cycle of clinging, when we reach childhood we are thrown in the fire,we start believing lies in order to grow without the Spector of meaningless in it's life.But these protecting lies haunt the child later life.

[@akelofgren9468]

Relief always create new disturbance problems

[@mism847]

And relieve you of the old and put you in a better place.

[@akelofgren9468]

Schopenhauer is The Great one really because as he say men are regardless to each other so peculiar to everyone

[@akelofgren9468]

Dangers of life of what can happen shows in that there gives not royal protection but really,shows that suffer can take you for nothing

[@MrMarineBro]

Greetings fellow sufferers.

[@DarkManBeatzUrFace]

Life is just a slow painful death

[@lynnfisher3037]

Bingo!!!!!

[@akelofgren9468]

Bright: everybody would decline such a gift if he could see ....it before him,rather a dept from the first day that have been contracted

[@akelofgren9468]

I was overwhelmed by

[@akelofgren9468]

Mostly because there is no mam pleiadians christ who helps me fom moron jerks, there's schopenhauer

[@justdev8965]

by...?

[@Uchutanjyo]

this has me laughin’ sick in bed late at night .

[@akelofgren9468]

Schopenhauer is so fantastic for so often like Leopardi said that when nobody loved him they could throw him in Tibern,and Lermontov how wengensed girls later for they had earlier punched mocked him.But in another planet where love is reality nobody needs to talk anymore in such loving planet

[@travisedwards8299]

The Will to life , means your true essence self conditioned by Natures tricks . Schopenhauer wasn’t saying that is all we are . There is the Better Will too or better consciousness ( our true self ) will and consciousness is used synonymously with Schopenhauer

[@akelofgren9468]

As a musicianartist in north l have seldom contact to musicworld,but Schopenhauer

[@akelofgren9468]

Of all inhuman crazyness now even my daughter react mental,crying

[@lynnfisher3037]

Yeah life is just great. Would like to know who put me here without asking my permission.

[@redrustyhill2]

There are those nincompoops who would gaslight you unto believing you did choose this life of misery and suffering on prison planet or that suffering is somehow necessary, but gawd loves you sonits worth it!

[@sumeetalam1]

Your parents

[@akelofgren9468]

Everyone is just survive by devaur others,the beast a grave of 1000 SO FLATTERED TO BE BORN INTO

[@dalegriffin6768]

I have a question? Why is death so disturbing for us, intensifying the survival impulse even more.And why was it necessary to create a world held together by suffering? Im sorry that's 2 questions

[@akelofgren9468]

Immedical soul with heartache every noun

[@IbrahimHoldsForth]

25:53 Schopo schmooooozes about David Hume

[@lynnfisher3037]

And that means what exactly?

[@akelofgren9468]

Life rather than a gift[ if knowledge was there everyone would decline it ]more [Cisero Schopenhauer]like a dept that,from 'first day,have been contracted.this can change if some people not more opress others

[@akelofgren9468]

For instance in pianoworld to have mother father, people around who loves you like in case Rubinstein, Chopin Pavarotti so instead we have Schopenhauer this, repulsion:Polansky, Strindberg :a dream play, Martinsson:aniara

[@IbrahimHoldsForth]

who did what now?

[@paulheinrichdietrich9518]

Is that a sentence?

[@mism847]

That is not a sentence

[@lynnfisher3037]

What ARE you blabbering about?

[@akelofgren9468]

Cant or the days to Joy and knowing whar ever has been were better not to be

[@akelofgren9468]

In 1800th Paris it was HONEY for artists nowadays it is just kickings upperslopeS so it is just good with S.

[@lynnfisher3037]

WTF?????

[@redrustyhill2]

Wtf is that supposed to mean

[@akelofgren9468]

Tainted sins(dumb jeks) rain their plaige on men(titan much) immedical soul, heartache every noun, reject every relief OLIVIATION like dogs

[@yacovmitchenko1490]

The Buddha recognized all this centuries before. He did, however, offer a way out: the Eightfold path, which led to Nirvana.

[@lynnfisher3037]

There is no T in Spinoza

[@Andreorlov607]

I wonder what would A.S. think and say about present germany situation in europe

[@akelofgren9468]

Adversity happy artists can not see blind

[@akelofgren9468]

, rather than create a future hell,the sin lies in The world, a kin to hell

[@languagegame410]

👍👍👍👍

[@akelofgren9468]

I mean it's rare

[@akelofgren9468]

Bright:something agreeable is displaced with something disagreeable,living beast a grave of thousend,we feel care,not absent of care,we feel fear but not security,the way regardless men treat others is injustice,cruel,hard. The way l Wonder why as pianist Rubinsteins lifelove humanlove can hardly be my way or can it ,the bad sometimes brings about the good [Schopenhauer wondering about Leibniz]

[@lynnfisher3037]

Please please stop. No one understands you

[@jasmelsingh4696]

❤

[@akelofgren9468]

The Will is an EFFORT HOW FRUSTRATE ITSELF,

[@IbrahimHoldsForth]

this performance is decent but the narrator blows it by reading Schopo's quotations of other authors in their original language....

[@lynnfisher3037]

Yeah he totally blew it. I'm sure you would have done SO much better. When will we be able to buy your upcoming book? 😂😂😂😂😂

[@sizzla123]

hmm

[@mism847]

Share your thoughts

[@michaelmartelly5503]

9:55

[@akelofgren9468]

TO YELL(PUNCHE KICK)3 TIMES A DAY ON HUMAN IS VERY HEALTHY (THEY DID MUCH WORSE AGAINST ME

[@akelofgren9468]

Inhumen love like a tiger hurricane said Schopenhauer, and in Molieres ' Misantrop(nonhuman) and the loved fury' when Alcaste saw his belowed a promiskious gossip one he said go,as in scen from 'Victor/Victoria' when the loving girl erotik got a soap in her mouth from the man think on another

[@akelofgren9468]

WORLDS EVIL really causes GREATEST PAIN lndivids only exist by devaur eachb other filthy beats A GRAVE OF THOUSENDS

[@mism847]

Glass half empty kinda guy. Got a lot of wisdom and intelligence in spite of his illogical misanthropy, though.

[@Daniel-ef7nk]

It us not a half empty glass thing, he showed that life inherently involves more pain than pleasure, I have talked to lots of people and yet never found anyone who claims to have more joy than pain after a little inward look in their lives, not even the most lucky ones.

[@lynnfisher3037]

Lol lol lol lol lol lol lol😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@turtleanton6539]

Indeed. And it is not in spite it is because of it

[@redrustyhill2]

The glass half full/empty analogy is stewpid, incredibly so, intellectually dishonest. If the glass is half, it isn't empty or full, there is no context to determine more. The glass is just a container with some amount of something in it. Its all relative to intent. If the goal is to fill an empty glass it is half full. If the goal is to drink the contents, its half empty. This is the difference between a realist and a mindless monkey who just wants to mindlessly argue if one is a pessimist or optimist.

[@willabestorms6059]

@@redrustyhill2 intellectually, dishonest…? The seventh grade was the best three years of your life. stay in the conversation why do you always predict damnation?

[@User-rm9cw]

The way and tone it's being read is so awful that makes it impossible to be listened.

[@akelofgren9468]

Men so full of plague so he can't receive Christianity at all:Vianini. Cicero :men is here to pay their peneltry. TANKS MAM FOR THAT

[@lynnfisher3037]

OMG help us all😂😂😂