Sci-Fi Infantry Comparison Halo-Startrek-Starwars-40K

When we think about Sci-fi universes, we often only think about starships, interstellar travel and battles that happen in the void of space. But even here there is always an element of terrestrial warfare that occurs in the Exo-planets of these many different universes. So, here in this video we will assess the ground infantry of four human political entities of four different Sci-fi franchises, namely the UNSC marines from Halo, The Starfleet ground forces of Star Trek, The Astra Militarum of Warhammer 40K and the Imperial army of Star Wars. We will not include the super human elements like the Force users, the Astartes or the Spartans. We will however, take a look at the number of soldiers each of them can field in a planetary surface battle, the types of weapons they use, the main ground & air vehicles and their different combat doctrines. So, in short, we will discuss which of these four has the most powerful ground infantry?
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[@grif16]

"The Legionnaire that scoffs at a lasgun has not charged across an open field against a hundred of them."

[@cgreen7157]

More like 100,000.

[@stevenbyford5615]

A hundred? Try 10,000.

[@christiandauz3742]

@@grif16 Kharn charges multiple Chapters and Regiments at the same time over and over again He has killed Trillions on his own

[@Nempo13]

@@christiandauz3742 He has also BEEN KILLED BY THEM repeatedly as well. He keeps being respawned though by Khorne.

[@christiandauz3742]

@@Nempo13 HAHAHAHAHA!!! No Kharn only died once, during the Siege

[@GhostoftheSnow271]

I do forget about the fact that Stormtroopers are not the rank and file soldiers of the Empire. Those are technically the elites, since we really only seeing them assault rebel bases, or are stationed in places that are incredibly important to the empire, such as the Death Star or the gas refining plant they blew up in Mando. As we saw in Solo, there are countless battles all across the Galaxy, and this isn’t the clone wars anymore. High quality armor is not needed, since the Empire cares even less about lives than the Republic cared for the clones.

[@mechsquid2]

Stormtroopers are a joke now but in the old EU stormtrooper armor provided ballistic protection, NPC protection, and could stop lower power blaster pistols.

[@argentward1]

Imperial guard regiments of the Astra Militarum are not rank and file soldiers. To even be considered to join any guardsmen regiment you have to be the best soldier available from the planets PDF which IS a general forces unit. The only exemption to this rule is Penal Legion units who are literally just death row inmates and are not considered part of the Astra Militarum. Some regiments are so legendary that the Tempestus Scions (Imperial elite special forces) get sent to those regiments as a segment of their training. One example of this is the Elysian Guard who are masters of ship to ship boarding actions as well as Grav Chute (jet-pack) warfare [Functionally they're the 40k version of the 101st airborne and 82nd airborne sprinkled in with USMC Force Recon on steroids.] The biggest problem that 40k has is many people who enjoy the fiction mostly get their knowledge from memes and shitposts instead of the actual novels, Unlike Starwars and halo's fans who generally have to deal with the parent company shitting on the lore and changing it every 10 months.

[@LairdErnst]

I was listening for that as well. He does specify the imperial army ground force and the armor he talks about is specifically what the imperial ground troops use, as seen in Solo and Andor. Chest plate, helmet and goggles which means he wasn’t referring to the Stormtrooper corps. Which is more like a marine corps of the empire. Ship boarding the Tantive IV, expeditionary ground assault on Hoth, and installation security on high value assets seems to be their jobs. Whereas the army troopers have a much more diverse set duties from ground assault, planetary defense, garrison duty, mechanized armor and so on.

[@crimsonshadow3089]

@@argentward1 pdf's arent the army of the imperium the the militarum are the rank and file pdf's are basically the coast guard

[@argentward1]

@crimsonshadow3089 PDFs are predominantly the first and last line of defense for many worlds, at the lowest level they're roaming gangs while on valuable systems they are responsible for the defense of its entire sector, specific examples were the Cadian PDF the Elysian PDF Kriegs PDF and Ultramars Auxillia (Their version of a human PDF) Also, is it equating anyone to a Coast Guard, which is literally a military branch proving my point further. Also PDFs are identified as "Primary Military Defense forces of a world or sector"

[@shinshawty]

stormtroopers=/=imperial infantry trooper 💀

[@LairdErnst]

Most circumstances I’d agree. But if they were clone troopers, different story.

[@mastershangchi3410]

@@LairdErnst Somewhat true yeah. Clones are miles better than storm troopers. That being said though, the few cases of clones versus regular (not remotely close to imperial guard level) organic armies that do exist in star wars are the cases where the most clones died by far in the whole war. Storm troopers are shit but clones from what I can tell aren't much better than normal IRL soldiers in terms of raw combat and tactical prowess. At the end of the day, they were born and trained to kill droids and jedi of which they did great. Not armies of real people, which they have repeatedly shown to only be average at.

[@LegatusLucius2]

UNSC Marine proceeds to show image of UNSC Army soldier😂

[@yellomellow9481]

​@@LairdErnstClone troopers would wipe imperial guardsmen (not all) but in a controlled environment with even numbers. The IG has good weaponry, but the clones have more training and experience. IG troops unless they're veteran have little to no battle experience given their casualty rates. The clones would definitely not bum rush these guys, it'd take strategy (if we exclude Jedi tactics and include hardcore strategy from the perspective of a veteran Clone).

[@0816M3RC]

​@@yellomellow9481 There are plenty of elite well trained IG units.

[@skalgrimfellaxe5796]

The Imperial Guard (Astra Militarum) is assumed to be around 500 trillion. It should be noted that the Imperial Guard are actually (mostly) a elite force used as a mobile force, and they are heavily outnumbered by the Planetary Defence Forces (PDF) which each imperial world must have. To make a comparison, on a Hive world there could be anything from several hundred million PDF forces to several billions, and during a invasion with conscripted forces they can have anything from several billions to a trillion men. Attacking a Imperial world is in such a way not just a question about how many Imperial Guards are defending it, but also all the other forces - the PDF being the largest in all but very few cases.

[@andrejplyutin2350]

PDF is irregular force. It depends on planet government, how many soldiers are recruited, how they are equipped and trained. So its basically milita. Of course, we have examples such as Ultramar Auxilia but mostly local forces are not prepared for full-scale long war

[@Luizguilherme-iz9yl]

are guard elite? i think we know the elite ones better, but they are not necessarily elite

[@YogoThi]

Cadians maybe

[@skalgrimfellaxe5796]

@@andrejplyutin2350 PDF forces include void borne defenses, fleets, stations and orbital defenses, PDF regiments (which for all intent and purposes are like the Guard - but kept on site rather than sent away) AND irregular forces like militias. Every system is tasked with having PDF forces but these vary depending on the manpower and technology available in a system. These are however in almost all cases except notable exceptions like Cadia/Krieg/Catachan etc, many times larger than the guard tithes sent away. Calling forces that have access to entire fleets and every kind of land based force seen in the guard and often also several times larger as just "irregulars" is pretty strange.

[@skalgrimfellaxe5796]

@@Luizguilherme-iz9yl In most cases yes. They are in fact a big step up from say PDF forces as these are (unless penal regiments or tithes from back-water/low tech worlds) in most cases career military given the best available resources and tech from their homeworld as part of the tithe. They are not super soldiers, but compared to most they are often veterans and do nothing but train for and wage war.

[@zerosen2141]

Saying that the Galactic Empire would have an edge against the Imperial Guard due to an offset of walkers (the Empire having AT-ATs and the Guard not having their Titans or Imperial Knights) Is an extreme disservice to The Leman Russ, Rogal Dorn, Baneblade and every iteration of them. Of which include variants fitted with heavy Plasma Cannons and Meltas as Main Guns. These types of weapons are used by the Imperium to go against the OP BS armor that Xenos, Heritics and Traitors will often have. Plus the Star Wars series, Rebels, straight up shows an AT-AT getting toppled in a one-vs-one fight with an AT-TE, a then, 17+ year old design that was a little more than jury-rigged. That was just ONE much smaller aggressor, now imagin an enitre Guardsman Armor Column of the Armageddon Steel Legion doing the same thing in much faster ground vehicles.

[@commandoepsilon4664]

I agree with you. It's true the Titans and knights would not be present in a Guard only force, but they would also be over kill for imperial walkers anyway. Not only do I think a Leman Russ Vanquisher would have no problem dealing with AT-ATs (afaik the strongest ground vehicle the Empire has in service) but even if it couldn't a Shadowsword has more than enough firepower to vaporize an AT-AT with just one shot leaving nothing but a set of smoking feet.

[@HolyknightVader999]

Rebels is a bad example considering that other parts of SW lore has the Empire be overpowered. Oh, and the walkers in Rebels were prototypes. Colonel Veers upgraded them before the Battle of Hoth. As for the AT-AT, its armor laughs off anti-tank and fighter cannons in Hoth. It would utterly crush IG tanks, and its guns are rated in the kilotons with a max power shot being essentially a mini-nuke as we saw on Hoth. Forget fighting IG tanks, they'd blow the legs off of Titans.

[@voomvoom4522]

@@HolyknightVader999 (stormtroopers dying to bows and arrows in RoTJ)

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@voomvoom4522 Stormtroopers were only knocked back by them.

[@voomvoom4522]

@@HolyknightVader999 they literally penetrate the back plates and stick there.

[@Emanon...]

Star Trek infantry was a joke until the very recent shows, which only portrayed them as "slightly less worse". No armour. No helmets. No personal shields. No drones or robotic aides. No vehicles or air support. It makes no sense that you don't have that unless you're consistently glassing the planets occupied by the enemy. It's the one part where Star Trek has consistently been very unimaginative and poorly shown, even in otherwise great episodes that show the horrors of war such as on DS9 or BNW. Budget of course played a major part in that so it's understandable to an extent.

[@christiandauz3742]

In the third Chris Pine movie enemy infantry had shields, armor and rapid fire guns!

[@joshguyer4593]

@@christiandauz3742 I can't remember playing Elite Force all to well, but from what I remember you were a bit if a badass. Personal shields, variety of weapons, Tech that let you get the drop on enemies... Oh, and calling in strikes from Voyager!!!! like, theres a tank in my way 'get rid if it' levels of precision. With equal numbers, I think they would take this fight. Numbers given, just no chance. They would make the best gurella fighters though.

[@Alphacheesehunter]

Yeah, that depends on where you get your imagery. A lot of what they show was constrained by Roddenberry or budgets. The man didn't want pockets on Star Fleet uniforms. However, in certain books and, yes, more recent offerings things are different. As much as I do enjoy Star Trek, Roddenberry had some weird ideas.

[@Emanon...]

@@Alphacheesehunter Yes. And that's the reason why people shouldn't worship at his altar. He was a visionary for his time, but some of his ideas would've been absolutely ridiculous to modern audiences.

[@Alphacheesehunter]

@@Emanon... To be sure. The universe is really enjoyable, though.

[@STaRBG4405]

No idea why people keep bringing up warhammer 40k into these kind of debates when wharhammer literally nutstomps every single setting in every single comparison no matter what

[@pjmetzen3483]

The Type 3 Phaser Rifle, when set to power level 10, will atomize whatever it is fired at. Warhammer has numbers, both Star Wars and Star Trek have a tech advantage with the different being by how much.

[@dillonpeterson66]

The zeelie sequence stomps 40k into the ground.

[@MasterFancyPants]

@@dillonpeterson66 Bring in books isn't fair. What I would give for a FORCE Multipurpose Assault Rifle from Hyperion At a range of 10 kilometer or less, is "impossible to miss" Variable energy beam that can be set anywhere from cell sized - glass an entire city in one shot, also pulses different wavelengths to bypass shields. Smart missiles, mini but high yield, with built in AI Plasma Manipulation, mode was shown to have a range going from a moon to it's planet. Micro Flechettes Can also fire normal, though very high power rifle rounds. Only down side you need a FORCE suit to power and lift it.

[@dillonpeterson66]

@@MasterFancyPants books aren't fair? My friend 40k is 90% books.

[@agent5778]

But does warhammer be the Dragon ball Universe though?

[@PhilosopherScholarPoet6272]

Literally anyone could beat Star Trek infantry. You could probably beat their Fleet to cause they keep sending senior ship staff on ground missions

[@dabbingraccoons6416]

Yeah lol. You could send grunts from halo and they would still probably win

[@darthrevan4933]

Man to man I’d actually put money on Star gate troops over the star fleet ground units

[@yellomellow9481]

Only reason why Star Trek would have a chance is because of their weaponry and tech mastery. Can't doubt their strategic genius, but in a ground war against well equipped armies -- then the federation/starfleet would LOSE for sure.

[@haloboy456]

Trek fan here having to now stand on business " Put them up. I say put them up" 😂

[@McTeerZor]

​@darthrevan4933 The SG teams are no joke! In the lore you will find they picked the best of the best from around the world. Given the best gear possible (Human or alien). I'd wager an SG strike team could take any non enhanced human force of equal size in the sci fi universe.

[@alwalker3479]

It’s no contest. 40K guardsmen will mop the floor with the opposition. Plus Space Marines can body any other special forces. Titus vs Master Chief would be no contest

[@Sujad]

The Chief would barely count as a space marine scout. He has only a few decades of experience. A full battle brother would breeze past him like he would a Kasrkin trooper.

[@graveyardshift6691]

Missing the entire point of the video. This is about the basic infantry. Elites like the Spacemarines and the Spartans don't participate. This is strictly Imperial Guard vs UNSC Marines vs Imperial Army vs Starfleet Ground teams. There are no Space Marines, no Spartans, no Force Users, and no named Starfleet Ship Captains. The Imperial Guard however would still win since the average Guard Garrison outstrips the entire force numbers with the other factions.

[@Peter_Turbo4]

A UNSC marine with an SRS99 can Chris Kyle an Astarte with a surprisingly low level of difficulty. Those guns are NOT to be underestimated.

[@fallout0624]

​@@Peter_Turbo4 Astartes are not to be underestimated either, they have canonical feats of slapping bolt rounds out of the air. The transhuman dread mentioned in 40k is there because something that big shouldn't move that fast and be that agile.

[@Peter_Turbo4]

@@fallout0624 a UNSC Marine is used to fighting Jiralhane who do the same thing.

[@BdogFinal14]

As depicted on Screen, Star Trek had the worst ground forces. Undersized for their missions, and poorly equipped, 250,000 Marines is no where near enough to support ground operations on multiple conflict worlds.

[@painlord2k]

Star Trek has personal force field for the military. Very useful in battle, The others have none WH40K has a few of them (rosarius or halos) but are reserved for VIPs.

[@arthurmiranda8896]

​@@painlord2kanyway 250k troops is pitiful even for COUNTRIES on earth, let alone for a multi system confederation. The number just don't add up when the imperial guard number in half a quadrillion.

[@clone3_7]

@@arthurmiranda8896 The 250k troops are for Star Trek I think...

[@mill2712]

​@arthurmiranda8896 250K isn't exactly a pitiful number of troops a country can have. It's actually an acceptable average. Especially if your country isn't really at war. But it is definitely tiny compared to larger players like China, USA, Russia, North Korea, and India. Many of these countries have branches that large.

[@arthurmiranda8896]

@@mill2712 Yeah 250k is a lot of active personal, but still minuscule in war times, i would assume the Star Trek Federation at war would be able to muster at least 100x more man than this.

[@swordbrotherplatt9392]

Imperial guard…. “You will lose, we have more bodies than you have bullets/blaster rounds. YOU WILL LOSE!!!”

[@TheRisingEagle93]

Lore inaccurate

[@Peter_Turbo4]

@@TheRisingEagle93 “11 Barrels Of Hell!”

[@dillonpeterson66]

​@Peter_Turbo4 zeelie sequence:"you hear something?"

[@Peter_Turbo4]

@@dillonpeterson66 Throw Dr Who into it and the setting will collapse over the course of an Afternoon.

[@dillonpeterson66]

@Peter_Turbo4 well no shit it's dr who.

[@thelinsky2319]

You forgot the Baneblade Heavy Tanks...

[@astronomybrainiac]

I was going to say; the Militarum uses a variety of superheavies, and have dedicated anti-titan tanks that would be able to vaporize AT-ATs.

[@Alex-xt1rr]

​@@astronomybrainiacthey don't need those super heavys for an AT-AT. Just a Devil Dog (Hellhound variant that had its Infernocannon swapped with a Melta Cannon) could do it by driving into the AT's blind spot and blast it's legs off.

[@sercravenmohead3631]

Yeah but one thing you boys forget is just how rare baneblades are

[@Alex-xt1rr]

@@sercravenmohead3631 that's why I pointed out an alternative that is based on the Chimera IFV chassis

[@sercravenmohead3631]

@@Alex-xt1rr Yeah but again, AT-AT’s aren’t alone and from what I can tell they’re used as Siege engines to drive forward backed up by combined arms of smaller tanks/walkers and infantry. I think these would be pretty difficult to flank especially when the Imperial Guard’s preferred tactic is trench warfare.

[@AlexHunter2525]

The Imperial Guard even if they had no armor, support or weapons would drown all the other forces in Imperial blood before they even noticed the losses taken. I personally think the UNSC is a better military but they'd have no chance against the suicidal tidal wave of Imerial incompetence.

[@MasterFancyPants]

It depends on the story you are reading. The 597th Valhallan from the Cain novels are shown to be insanely competent.

[@dabbingraccoons6416]

@@MasterFancyPantsValhallans are not your average guard. Regiments like the cadians and kriegsman are elite

[@mastershangchi3410]

The guard aren't incompetent, for the most part. The majority of planets follow the cadian standards for recruitment and that states that only the top 10%-20% of PDF may be considered acceptable for guard recruitment and training. This can change wildly in terms of end of training skill level, but it does assure that a guard regiment consists of a planets best soldiers with the best quality gear that can be sustainably provided to them. Planetary governors are rare to fuck with the quality of their guard export, since it is one of the few things they can do that would mean an eventually but reasonably assured of a horrific culling of them and their entire bloodline if they did. 90% of the campaigns they are apart of are nothing like the battles we usually see them in which would be the 1000+ 10% of apocalyptic battles involving huge deployments of millions of guard supporting millions to trillions of PDF forces with other special factions like astartes, sisters of battle and various other imperial factions included 90% of the time they do win with little to no intervention from superior factions like space marines, with rarely needing to resort to the insane tactics they use those 10% insane circumstances and the times when they do start up the meatgrinder.... it's most often using the PDF ground forces that got conscripted into guard conscripts under Imperial guard command... because why use your own elite guys from your own culture when there are a billion of these other guys who worship the emperor weirdly (not like us) just right there lol I do agree that the UNSC does run better overall but that's largely because of their superior FTL and the fact the UNSC at the height of it's power was like not even a 1/10th the size of pre-heresy ultramar, let alone the imperium. That's like comparing a pond to the ocean. *tldr*: The guard are normally very very good and would win due to being very good, not needing to result to sheer numbers to defeat UNSC military ground forces.

[@MrMcp1995]

Meanwhile, Forerunner "infantry": Sits in orbit sipping tea while you drown in an infinite tide of self-replicating drones.

[@tbomb69]

This would probably be better for Halo vs the other verses

[@astronomybrainiac]

Before watching: 1. Imperial Guard Pros: Numbers, some of their equipment, tactics, training, morale, total-war mindset, and combined-arms warfare doctrines. Are trained and capable of fighting in ANY combat scenario if given the right regiment for the environment. If in a head-to-head fight with the other three; armor is capable of tanking most of their enemies' small-arms fire based on lore, and they will be THE most battle-hardened, which counts for a lot. Cons: supply and leadership competency issues. Poor coordination with naval and air force assets. Inflexible doctrines. 2. Halo UNSC Marines Pros: Strategy, tactics, training, integration with other branches. If in a head-to-head fight: maneuver warfare, effective leadership, resourcefulness, and combined-arms warfare. Cons: numbers compared to other factions. Technology lags significantly behind others. 3. Star Wars Stormtroopers Pros: weaponry, numbers, technology, and limited combined-arms warfare. If in a head-to-head fight; weapons are devastating, and they have a slight numerical advantage against 2/3 of their opponents. Cons: leadership is questionable at times. Never see them utilize true combined arms with air support and proper armored fist assaults. Their technology is... odd and impractical (walkers, misuse of repulsorlifts, etc). Their aim, training, and morale could be substandard. Lack of critical thinking and autonomy. 4. Starfleet Marines Pros: weapons are theoretically devastating to enemy armor. Assuming that it isn't jammed somehow, transporter technology offers significant advantage in maneuver warfare and deep strike capability. Sensors and information gathering theoretically the best of the bunch. Negotiation power for non-kinetic solution to conflict a viable, if unlikely, option. Critical thinking and problem solving probably best of the bunch. Cons: Rely exclusively on infantry and starships; combined arms warfare (outside of orbital fire support, which is rarely observed) is NEVER observed. They lack tanks and heavy vehicles, in-atmosphere fighter and bomber aircraft, man-portable heavy weapons, grenades, emplaced artillery, or other conventional weapons systems expected of a military force. Soldiers do not, to our knowledge, utilize body armor or combat gear. Strategy entirely dependent on maintaining orbital control (despite having the second weakest navy of these four) for all support. Morale and leadership is questionable. Tactics observed by starfleet personnel in ground or ship-based boarding actions are laughable. Lack anything approaching a total war mindset and eschew combat entirely where possible. Controls second smallest interstellar territory, and fighting force is numerically the smallest.

[@jtjames79]

I would still have to give it to Starfleet Marines. They have dark age technology. You can borrow a tunnel through solid Stone at walking speed with the right setting of a phaser. Another setting will close it behind you. When you have a replicator, you can gorilla indefinitely. Constantly attack enemy, leadership and logistics.

[@astronomybrainiac]

@jtjames79 No, the Federation has 'approaching' DOAT levels of tech. I have yet to see them weaponize black holes in a gun or field battle titans or strategic AI that can manage their whole society. Further, the average marine is not going to have access to all of the super technology seen in the show, and while phasers are impressive, most of the other factions can throw more bodies at the problem than those weapons have charge. Also, I will dispute them being able to carve tunnels out of solid rock. The most impressive thing seen with a man-portable phaser is vaporizing a man sized body after a few seconds of very concentrated fire. Anything more than that required delicate and heavier equipment. Additionally, at least 2 of the factions' FTL speeds leave Starfleet's in the dust. Those same two (Imperium and Empire) are bloodthirsty on a level that even the KLINGONS would balk at. Yeah, the marines might be able to wage a guerrilla action to some extent and see success at first. Then, the Imperium or Empire is going to jump a fleet of warships into orbit and bombard the surface into slag, and leave before Starfleet can mobilize a response. Transporters would definitely not work against void shields and probably would get scrambled by Imperial shields. Most Federation planets don't have orbital shield generators, orbital defense batteries, or surface-to-space weapons. So while the soldiers might see some success as a harassing force, they'll either get vaporized by artillery or destroyed from orbit. In a 1-on-1 fight with 1 of each soldier thrown into an area with their standard kit, I'd say it'd come down to the Imperial Guardsman and maybe a UNSC marine. In an actual war scenario of equal strength forces, Star Wars and the Imperium would probably be the last ones standing. In an all-out war scenario, the Imperium wins, and it's not even close.

[@alexspencer5926]

Even as a Trekkie, Starfleet is not winning this. Sure, their strike teams could double as guerilla groups, but at the end of the day, Starfleet (hypocritically) is not recognized as a legitimate military. This is because Starfleet is designated as the "scientific, diplomatic, and defensive arm" of the United Federation of Planets. At no point, outside of an actual declared war, does the Federation see to their personnel trained in, nor equipped for, waging dedicated warfare. The closest they come to a standing army are personnel going down the command and security career paths. Everyone else seems to be trained as auxiliaries, regardless of their intended careers or manner of enlistment. This even extends to their allies, as most planets within their borders, but not full members, seem actively encouraged to maintain their own defense forces, independent of Federation services or control. Add onto this that the only time Starfleet personnel are seen with any type of armor (outside of games) was in the TOS era Star Trek movies, specifically 6, where a security team showed up in a suit that looked like a miscolored Saiyan battle suit from DBZ, complete with helmet. While I commend the armor shown, as of 7:27, I stress that whatever armor they make was first designed to counter other specific hostiles. Ie, Omega Force equipment can be used against anything, BUT its primary purpose is to overcome Borg adaptability and their assimilation capabilities; Undine Countercommand weapons and armor is designed for maximizing damage against Undine(aka Species 8472), etc. And speaking of armor, or a lack thereof, the closest they have to a ground deployable armored vehicle, even in non-canon sources that I've seen, is the Argo from Nemesis, which is basically an elongated dune buggy the height of a Jeep and a phaser turret of indeterminate power strapped to the trunk area. Even with exactly 1 fighter design, I know of no other Starfleet vehicles, aside from specifically designed starships and most shuttlecraft, that are capable of inatmosphere/dedicated ground combat. Because of this "we're not a military" attitude, Starfleet seems to actively refuse to research or develop almost anything that could fit the criteria for "legitimate military target" unless they're already on a war footing, or designing the thing to offset the advantage an enemy ship type already has over Starfleet. (Look at any ship in Star Trek Online's microstransaction store; almost all of their descriptions say what they're supposed to have been designed to counter or what niches they were meant to fill.) The only fields that Starfleet infantry beats anyone here is in adaptability to developing field situations, education in combat styles and general tactics, and overall equipment utility. But this is more of a tie with the UNSC cuz they keep making equipment dedicated to 1 or 2 enemy types and modifying it from there, instead of just finding something that works a bit against EVERYTHING and making that the standard. Y'know, kinda like... ALL THE LISTED OPPONENTS HERE.

[@magosryzak7477]

I would correct the equipment portion of the guard to most of their equipment. Body armor is suspect but I would take a lasrifle over pretty much every option because the power packs are ridiculously easy to recharge. Heck, throwing them into a fire will allow them to recharge, even if their usability after that charge may be questionable. The lasrifle also has enough variety that there are options for every conceivable scenario. Depending on pattern and overall type (las pistol, carbine, rifle, or long las; hellguns are more powerful but have different packs,) you could get anywhere from 15 to over 100 shots from a single power pack, and the power packs are near enough universal. The big thing is making sure that the Munitorum files the paperwork correctly and sends the correct shipments of supplies. Which it generally does, but it is known for the 1% of fuck ups it does cause over 10,000 years.

[@dragoontype00alphaz19]

​@@jtjames79 fed do actually have Vehicles similar to SW in form Hover tanks and IFV to plus don't forget they also have air force to. star fighters and Shuttles can be used has Support and Runabout be very deadly fireing mini photon torpedos a Standard photos can Level Mountin so mini photos pretty Devastating haswell

[@followersith5813]

The Imperial Guard can fight in any war scenario, never gives up and also has heavy weapons, cannons, plasma and much more. True that such weapons are one in twenty or thirty soldiers, but when you have the numbers, they are still billions of weapons of various kinds, not just lasgun. There are quotes of several trillions of new guards trained and sent each have. not to mention the forces already on the various planets and fronts. So I give victory to the valiant men and women of the Imperium.

[@painlord2k]

Cadia Stands, not just in words but because there were so many cadians fighting around in the Imperium the destruction of their planet was not critical and they were able to restart their civilization.

[@Goldenblitzer]

Just as the God Emperor intended

[@dillonpeterson66]

They loose BAD to starstrek

[@mr.savagemustache8098]

@@dillonpeterson66 I agree that startrek has better weapons but the Imperial guard takes the W bro, they have way more bodies then Startrek. If we say that startrek only had 250k soldier and we say that the Imperial Guard has 1 billion units (which there are estimated to be trillions of guardsmen in total) it is 1 startrek trooper to 4 thousand Imperial guards. I don’t think you would want to be in the situation where there are 4 thousand units charging. That and even though lasguns have less range then a phaser, they still have the capability to blow off limbs with ease. He also didn’t go over this but they also have access to things called Longlass’s which are basically sniper versions of a lasgun.

[@dillonpeterson66]

@mr.savagemustache8098 I'm aware of both the lasgun can blow off limbs but the phaser can turn you to atoms.

[@Guardsman-sy8qm]

Man gave the bird the UNSC Army. Holding down Reach until the planet got glassed wasnt enough. Big sad. 😔

[@Peter_Turbo4]

The Covvies losing every Ground battle unless they outnumber the UNSC by 20 to 1 be like:

[@TheChairmaker]

So, basically Tuesday in 40k?

[@mechsquid2]

Halo is a great series but UNSC marines and army troopers are basically just modern soldiers. I'd rate modern soldiers above redshirts but that's just because they don't properly apply their military technology.

[@0blivionShadow]

planet glassed? cute....try fighting as the bloody planet cracks! ARCADIA LITERALLY BROKE BEFORE THE GUARDSMEN DID!!!

[@EvolvedTactical]

The planet broke before they did....oh wait, that's the Cadians.

[@robertcain7630]

As far as weapons used by Imperial Guard troops, they regularly field heavy weapon teams both in standard infantry units and as dedicated heavy weapon units. These teams can field some of the most powerful Imperial weapons, such as the Lascannon, Auto-cannon and Heavy Bolter. These weapons can take out even the heaviest armour or decimate ground troops and have a range over double that of the standard lasgun. The Assault Rifle might outdistance the lasgun by a small margin but not the multiple Heavy Bolters that would certainly be deployed against an infantry formation. Imperial Guard also have dedicated Armoured Companies comprising of multiple variants of the Leman Russ Battle Tank, so should be able to field far more armour. The Imperial Guard field walkers, but they are light scout vehicles known as Sentinels, and also serve as a mobile heavy weapon platform as they typically carry heavy weapons such as Multi-lasers or heavy flamers. Star Wars Imperial forces field a lot more walkers, true, but in my opinion this is a detriment as they have a major weakness in their legs. Large walkers are good for one thing, intimidation. You won't be able to intimidate the Imperial Guard. Again just my opinion, but I think the Leman Russ tanks would easily be able to cripple the legs of the AT-ATs and other walkers while their smaller profiles would present a more difficult target for the AT-ATs

[@devarasaira3851]

Form some of the books and how they depict las guns they seem to have a range of about 500 and 300 if it’s raining and can be modified to go full auto or to burn out their power cell for one powerful blast similer to a melta shot and even turn it to a laz gun to have rnnges up to 3 km if the books distend is right

[@robertcain7630]

@@devarasaira3851 Depends on the book and what the author wants them to be able to do, but yes, there are variants. There different patterns of lasgun depending on where it was manufactured and when. Mars Pattern, Necromunda Pattern and Triplex Pattern always used to be most common. Also long-rifle sniper variants are common for specialized units. Strom Troopers used to carry hot-shot variants which were S4 rather than hellguns that have a better AP I think?

[@huntermad5668]

Wait? UNSC Army exist, u know😂 They are the primary Ground Force of UNSC.

[@Archangel1862]

If I remember correctly the UNSC Army is primarily garrison troops while the UNMC is the expeditionary force (Edit) That is also not mentioning that UNSC armor uses titanium whether it’s heavy armor or body armor

[@huntermad5668]

@@Archangel1862 The Marines is the fast reaction force. When UNSC wanted heavy boots on the ground, they used the Army. Marines onboard UNSC ships can only do so much

[@Peter_Turbo4]

The UNSC Army are the reason the Covvies adopted the “Glass ‘em!” approach to dealing with Humanity. Because they’d routinely lose ground battles while having an 8 to 1 advantage.

[@dessirangelova2676]

the galactic empire also has an army. Stormtroopers are assault units they only attack and defend important areas.

[@user-to5pu6yb5x]

Don't forget those grunts from Star Craft.. Marine.. Firebat.. Marauder.. Ghost... Medic

[@clan741]

No love for the lowly reaper

[@Goyimdemduc]

Man since Ive Found this channel it's almost thé only thing Ive been watching 😅great job and very good videos my Guy 🙂

[@unkemptjargon91]

As soon as you add warrhammer 40k, it doesnt really matter who you put them up against. That entire universe is on a hellishly different level

[@Peter_Turbo4]

You say that, but Halo has quite a few battles that reach 40k levels of *”Oh God The Toilet Is On Fire!”*

[@unkemptjargon91]

@Peter_Turbo4 but never the level of, oh emperor, the entire solar system is on fire and a half billion guardsman are still.on the planet fighting creatures that are driving them insane and even if they win then the inquisitor is probably going to call.for the planet to be destroyed with all hands on board.

[@rapatacush3]

​@@Peter_Turbo4like what?

[@mastershangchi3410]

@@Peter_Turbo4 Eh only a couple bro. And only barely besides reach. Actually pretty much only Reach was something that got close-ish to 40k levels. Bare in mind there were only several hundred covenant ships at reach and that was the largest battle against the covenant during the entire war, according to Fall of reach book. That entire war wouldn't even be referred to a war front in 40k. Like maybe a small crusade sized conflict in terms of scope but that's really it. The Mecharius crusade claimed 10,000 worlds for the Imperium... the UNSC had 47 planets at it's highest power.

[@bennuredjedi]

The Marines is not the main Army in halo they just get all the press from Bungie and 343, the Army is still the main land force of the UNSC,although they have been neglected and watered down in game they still are the main fighting force. A more accurate comparison will be to add factions from CD Advance Warfare/Infinite Warfare Starcraft Mass Effect Planetside Killzone Section 8 Starship Troppers (Invasion Universe) Gears of War Fallout and Star Citizen

[@gamelover2222]

So true. Marines are the few and the proud.

[@Bigl00z]

The ai generated pictures are truly horrible.

[@rapatacush3]

AI is the future.

[@Mr.Incognito11]

Realistically, if the UNSC had the numbers that the Imperium or the Empire have, they would probably win. Quality over quantity goes a long way

[@congnghequansuvn474]

Star trek has the best starships and the worst infantry as they mostly dont need it. But when they do, their infantry is often equipped with the most advance tech.

[@voomvoom4522]

They hardly have the best starships. They're tiny compared to all the others. And design-wise they just look terrible.

[@alekjanowski9847]

@@voomvoom4522 Yeah - structural integrity? What's that?

[@congnghequansuvn474]

@@voomvoom4522 size doesn't matter if you have the best tech

[@voomvoom4522]

@@congnghequansuvn474 only in the comfort department. There hyperdrives are terrible, they have barely any armor, their weapons are mid, and the only protection their crew has is a cloth uniform.

[@felop1187]

@@congnghequansuvn474 My guy, their ships are basically all cruise ships that go to shit the moment something they weren't prepared for happens

[@deadman3140]

Another thing about Star Wars; Blaster weapons are inaccurate. The various PnP RPGs have stats for the weapons, with the blaster rifle getting a -1 to accuracy, and the las gun rifle of WH40K having a +5% (+1) to accuracy.

[@AAhmou]

The las gun in RPGs is reliable, shoots fast, got a lot of shots for a full energy pack, doesn't have recoil. The only problem is that it lacks the penetration other weaponry could have.

[@ahha623]

@@AAhmou lazguns hace recoil in darktide many of there lasguns have recoil. tho a starwars blaster has far more ammo, with a single ammo clip having hundreds of bullets.

[@Memelord1117]

@@AAhmou I'm pretty sure a las gun is punching a hole in you, and is arguably more effective than a laser blaster.

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@Memelord1117 Except blasters fire explosive rounds in the OT. So they're practically bolters in energy format.

[@HolyknightVader999]

LOL SW blasters aren't inaccurate. We see the Stormtroopers gun down Rebel soldiers like they're nothing, and Kenobi even talks about how accurate they are as he points to a sandcrawler taken down by small arms fire that hit all its weak points. Whenever Stormtroopers miss, they're herding you from one place to another. Leia even figured that out in EP4, when she realized that the Empire let them go. One scene later, Tarkin questions the wisdom of letting them go.

[@arturkaptyug342]

Technical the Astra Militarum's airforce, is a branch of the Imperial Navy, and any ground plane are technically under the PDF.

[@dariustiapula]

Everyone else: Killing someone requires different type off weapons. Star Trek Phasers: If encounter exotic entities dial your frequencies so they can vaporize your ass. For everything else just kill is enough.

[@christiandauz3742]

Shit against Daemons and the Dark Mechanicum of 40k

[@dariustiapula]

@@christiandauz3742 I'm sure Starfleet can pull something out off their ass. Like pass a graviton off a deflector dish to create a subspace distortion or something like that.

[@TheLordFragger]

Data would probably calculate them out of existence or some funny bs.

[@Peter_Turbo4]

The Guard encountering *any* problem: *”WHERE’S THAT ARTILLERY!!!”*

[@christiandauz3742]

@@Peter_Turbo4 The artillery defected to Chaos!

[@gono4806]

I hope you do more multi sci-fi comparisons like this!

[@djashovel]

You should look up a fan made series called star wars vs War Hammer 40k It's amazing and I highly recommended and you should react to it

[@cegesh1459]

It is great.

[@Peter_Turbo4]

Ye

[@TitoG-ko2ct]

I like the Warhammer and Halo Marine designs. They look awesome!

[@gadzilla6664]

Great video! Subscribed. But how can you skip the Baneblade series of tanks when discussing the Guard's vehicles?

[@Valhala545]

soldiers from other universes without understanding why thousands of men holding shovels are making a suicidal human wave towards them

[@LordDrackonel]

You highly underestimated the UNSC armament and combat capabilities, but the UNSC also has air superiority, with Aircrafts such as the Sparrow, the Falcon, Wombats, broadswords, shortswords, longswords, etc.... plus MAC cannons and quick assault capabilities... if we go by sheer numbers the Imperium takes the fight, but the UNSC has superior armament and tactics..

[@psyOmicron]

Whenever we have this kinda arguement, I always say look at the enemies they are fighting and if they are still expanding: Star Wars: Rebels and they lost despite superior weapons and numbers Star Trek: largely unopposed expect for the Klingon (initially) and the Borg, even then they had trouble winning against the Klingons leading to an alliance Halo: constantly running and losing against the Covenant, and thankfully the infighting between the Elites and Brutes gave the UNSC a chance to push back WH40k: Brutal Orks tides, ancient Eldar (but occasionally allied with them), sadistic Dark Eldar, Tyranids mega swarms, technologically superior T'au, literal Chaos demons from hell, elridtch horrors of Necrons. And the Imperium of Man is still expanding and reclaiming entire solar systems from the territories they lost from the Horus Heresy and the Fall of Cadia. So you tell me which army would win in a fight 😂

[@JonathanToolonie]

No mention of the Baneblade?

[@JumpDaddy70]

The UNSC MC is not the main infantry force of the UNSC, the UNSC Army is the main fighting force. The Marines are an expeditionary force, just like IRL

[@xanderburns1332]

I would love to see a one-on-one between a Spartan and a clone Commando

[@rapatacush3]

The chief punched a missile out of the sky once. A clone commando couldn't kill a old mandalorian with a machete.

[@BloodDX2]

I feel like the Star Trek forces were just tacked on and really just dont stack up. Especially when a behemoth like 40k is involved. A better pick to compare would have been something like the Terran Dominion's military from Starcraft or the Mobile Infantry of Starship Troopers.

[@chrismath149]

Imperial Guards books I've read to this point detail that no more than a few thousand Guardsmen are deployed to capture planets ( source: Cain Novels, Gaunt's Ghosts ). The only somewhat realistic numbers were depicted in the Baneblade novels iirc.

[@David-eh9le]

The Ghosts are already ≈2000. They are always described as a just a small part of the army that invaded a planet being the reason for why they can never colonize one.

[@John333Scout]

Startrek didnt even belong in this video lol. Starcraft Marines or Starship Troopers would have been a way better fit

[@Dj_Olei]

I’m a die hard Star Wars fan but I gotta give it to those Warhammer boys. I’ve read dark stuff on Star Wars but Warhammer lore is literally built around that stuff, it essentially made itself one of the huge contributors to the “Grimdark” setting.

[@LairdErnst]

This is why Starfleet needs a dedicated Marine Corps. Even if you don’t have a war with the Dominion or the Klingons coming up every decade, having a dedicated ground force that can be assigned to exploration ships as an escort for the senior bridge staff (which apparently has to go on all the missions) so that they have an “adequate” security element. And if they’re not required to gear up for a mission they can double as security augmentees. Search and rescue, expeditionary security, prisoner escorts, anti-boarders, anti-piracy would all be perfect for a marine force on the boarders of federation space, and would keep a ground force experienced for the next war.

[@dentheman1797]

Aside from the countless of numbers and insane weapons of the 40k universe, which is mainly to go compete batshit overboard compared to all other stories, don’t forget the mindset of the Imperium when it comes to war. A quote like “Some may question your right to destroy ten billion people. Those who understand know that you have no right to let them live." sums it all up why 40k beats any other setting.

[@billwalker3479]

Don’t know if anyone else has said this and I have not gotten far into the video but I believe that the average guardsman is actually considered the elite soldiers of their respective planets because as it’s apart of their tithe and if the imperium find them wanting it could lead to severe consequences for the planet in question. So usually the cream of the crop are usually sent out. Though I believe for the imperial conscripts that’s different because well… they are conscripts.

[@Peter_Turbo4]

Even a 12 year old Whiteshield with 15 minutes of Training has a shot at taking down a Traitor Astarte.

[@lucasathus]

Stormtroopers wouldn't do too bad in a tyranid invasion. Since they wouldn't even have to aim for nothing, as they would just shoot a sea of tyranids. Kinda impossible to miss then

[@onieyoh9478]

That just means all of their shots would come out the barrel at 90 degrees hitting nothing but the sky and ground. 😅

[@lucasathus]

@@onieyoh9478 or maybe even themselves

[@christiandauz3742]

Star Wars would get fucked in a 40k Crossover Get eaten by Tyranids or worship Chaos just to survive?

[@hello_there9879]

Stormtroopers actually have better aim than the avg Marine. they are just shown wrongfully. And the Imperial Army are actually the normal infantry force in Star wars

[@christiandauz3742]

@@hello_there9879 501st lost Endor That is beyond atrocious

[@TheWauzzer]

The Imperial Guard. A billion dead is a rounding error.

[@bradoman4827]

Can we do this but with the IMC from Titanfall?

[@TheEyez187]

40K all day, every day, the Imperial Guard/Astra Militarum could probably take all three on at once

[@mawkishdave]

They are taking on 4 and the Tau already.

[@J_n..]

14:40 in the Star Trek TOS Episode Arena were mortars introduced as part of Federation Ground Forces Armament moreover for high intensity operations they could be equiped with personal force fields (ST DS9 Homefront) btw in ST DS9 Rocks and Shoals phaser rifles were used at ranges of 200 to 300 meters and these phaser rifles were stanard issue for Federation Ground Forces ( ST DS9 The Siege of AR855) Please don't confuse Federation Ground Forces with Starfleet Security

[@jahtimakkara5989]

"since we are not including knights and titans of 40k" krhm...baneblade and shadowsword

[@raftguy1376]

Well, in an attrition war you gotta hand it to the imperium. Which, probably just should win, because in a toe to toe of any of these, they’d win, no matter how many lives were wasted along the way. And while the average trooper could have just been handed a lasgun and told to go die for the emperor, their elite regiments are as elite as any of these. And they all are accustomed to handling a wide range of horrors. The empire is a smaller, worse equipped, worse armored, more incompetent (with no firing skill) version of the imperium. Maybe some dark troopers and supercommandos are a bit better. But still not anything capable of changing the outcome. The UNSC is up there when it comes to training and attempt to preserve life. If you factor in spartans (but ignore space marines from earlier), then maybe in a 1:1 fight these guys would win out. But the imperium has billions for every UNSC trooper. And an ODST is pretty comparable to an elysian drop trooper. Star trek, aside from some cheeky teleportation, just isn’t kitted out for frontline attritional combat. They lose. They lose big. Best thing they can do is avoid the fight entirely.

[@alexanderimmortal4354]

Ah the fodder units 🤣

[@codylowe1683]

I think it's between halo marines and 40k guardsman

[@alpharius4819]

All of these guys are good at what they do, but I like the humble guardsman. They remind me a lot of ww2 soldiers, and many books like Gaunt's Ghosts are written like it's band of brothers. Veteran guardsmen are VERY good at what they do. They can come in any form and in as many forms and types as there are weapons to equip them with.

[@worldofwarcraftman2]

One thing you messed up on is combat experience the Imperial guard doctrines are battle tested and proven over 10.000 years of never ending warfare. They fight super humans and win. They've even sent deamon empowered demigods back into the warp. You've also left out the ab human auxiliary Ogryn squads carrying a reinforced building wall ratlings and other abhumans etc.

[@jerricklittle3306]

bruh the UNSC's primary fighting force was the UNSC ARMY, they fought the majority of the war against the covenant and the only reason you see marines so much in the games (excluding reach) is because spartans were regularly deployed with marines.

[@ashtonkamien8542]

Hey I wanted to tell you can you do a science fiction series called Killzone please with their factions and vehicles with their science fiction ships it will be cool video you can do please reply when you have a chance to the factions are Isa and hell gas and hope you enjoyed that idea for you

[@maxcooper6554]

I love the Helghast, but they are pretty two-dimensional. Just your typical "Space Nazis"...

[@ashtonkamien8542]

@@maxcooper6554 thank you for saying that

[@Peter_Turbo4]

@@maxcooper6554Thank you for your Opinion. But unfortunately it’s completely Wrong.

[@robotvarietyshow]

Starfleet uses anti-matter weapons and phasers which work at the molecular weapon. SF shields would repel pretty much everything the others have

[@ethangonzales8230]

Star Trek doesn’t actually utilize infantry in the same way as other franchises; employing advanced medical technology, sensor equipment, and weaponry capable of vaporizing nearly anything. Startrek troops have been known to use ballistic shields, hologram technology, force fields, cloaking, beaming, and heavy artillery as parts of their operations. Star Trek is severely lowballed in my opinion.

[@Phenixtri]

still lacks the numbers compared to everyone else tho. Hell the IoM would shit all over Star Trek both in the void and on the ground due to numbers alone. Their tech. is esoteric and complex enough to drive any Starfleet engineer mad especially once they hear about things like machine spirits ..... and then learning said machine spirits are actually a real thing .... yea the insanity inducing kind of mad.

[@Mortablunt]

Even the fairly lackluster militaries of Mass Effect would absolutely Cleveland steamer the Star Trek forces.

[@aldrinmilespartosa1578]

​@Phenixtri it isn't really that good of an argument if all you can say is numbers. 40k win in numbers because many things they once have are either hard to make in scale or pure impossibility.

[@paulmathews1150]

I feel you may have forgotten the unsc's use of the odst's who are human troops and could maybe tip the scales in the unsc's favor 🤔

[@Rawkit_Surgeon]

To be fair, 300 meters is the most common range that infantry fights.

[@AsbestosEnjoyer]

Saying that having 3 ligistics etc. people for every fighting man is "generous" is propably wrong, as, for example, the modern US military has a tooth to tail ratio (troops per support personnel) of around 1/14, if I'm not mistaken

[@namjartaevh1957]

bro the ai art... why there's so much art for all these factions readily available that doesn't look like a lsd nightmare

[@rapatacush3]

Because some random "artist" would cry because they are using their shit.

[@mawkishdave]

On and stormtroops are not the main ground fighting force of the Empire. They have the Empirial army that is less equipped, and trained, but has a lot more manpower.

[@heathharris2545]

I didn't even know star trek had infantry.

[@doubt3430]

When there is more imperial guard on a planet than the population of the system they are fighting for

[@elvisrodriguez7100]

"He is the master of mankind by the will of the gods, and master of a million worlds by the might of hes Inexhaustible armies" so yeah... few fictional armies can even match the imperium, and the guard alone can perform a lot of tricks, like... Miracles mid battle trough faith on the emperor, the manifestation of living saints or the legion of the damned, if that dont work they can always shoot it with the shadowsword and be done with it.

[@sthembilendlovu8304]

8:06 isn't it the other way around I've that the armor the Stormtroopers wear is designed to stop heat not kinetic energy so wouldn't any gun be enough to penetrate their armor

[@lordcaedus8465]

It does both

[@velstadtvonausterlitz2338]

​@@lordcaedus8465 nope, a .22 would penetrate their armor, lmao.

[@revanamell1791]

They're designed to block the actual bolt. The kinetic energy transfers and knocks them out but the armor stops the actual bolt. So you'll get knocked the hell out but most times not die.

[@Peter_Turbo4]

Ballistic weapons are quasi-illegal within Star Wars for a reason.

[@lordcaedus8465]

@@Peter_Turbo4 I'm not sure where you got that from because I have never heard of something like that at all, and I do have at least half of the Legends novels and more. I'm not calling you a liar, just uncertain is all. I know metanerdzlore does a really good video covering slugthrowers.

[@mardaumlauf7749]

Lasgun full power is penetratin adamantium plate(but shooting it at full power is not recommended). Or use Baneblade.

[@TheRisingEagle93]

You forgot the mobile infantry

[@terrandysart3587]

Halo vs warhammer is the only true comparison here

[@sentinelHunter]

people underestimate halo Marines because they are regularly killing elites and brutes (some of which are better than spartans) halo weapons just hit harder than other scifi

[@generalfluffyproto]

Lasguns may be able to blow the arm off a man but i dont want to get atomized into nothing by a phaser set to 10.

[@silenceburns1336]

The most insane thing about this is that numbers-wise, W40K is the most realistic when it comes down to how many active duty personnel it would have to cover a galactic civilization, without taking into consideration the amount of war waged. The numbers given for the other 3 are... laughable. Even taking in the relatively low societal age of Starfleet and the UNSC, those numbers are poor. Starfleet is especially egregious due to it being an interspecies alliance, not just human centric.

[@cobberhambone9484]

One tops them all: the Colonial Marines from Aliens

[@lathelarson4009]

id have to say they are all mortal ground forces are pretty comparable in terms of skill and equipment on the field. with the exception of their elite forces Kasrkin, odst, death troopers, Maco troops. those will vary in their training. but i feel like 40k ground forces are going to have a much higher amount of experienced soldiers and less likely to break under under pressure. especially since they regularly fight races that i would argue are much more Horrific than any army in this list. not to diminish the fighting power of the other armies i just dont think thier hearts would be in it fighting an army of well trained fanatics with a near litmitless amount of groundtroops and their willingness to throw more of them at the enemy than the enemy has ammo. just my opinion.

[@Peter_Turbo4]

The only thing that’s making the UNSC retreat is a Titan-Class unit being deployed. And even then, that’s usually just to get away from the incoming MAC strike they just called.

[@McTeerZor]

* *Gas mask noises intensify* *

[@hadesdogs4366]

Oh no the UNS’s got a Grizzly tank whilst the empire has an At-at Meanwhile the guard rocks up With either a valdor tank hunter or a shadow sword titan hunter or a BANEBLADE😂😂

[@hihowareyu]

Alternative title best canonfooder in fantasy 😂😂😂

[@Foxyways]

Starfleet is tasked first and foremost with research and diplomatic missions. It is not an army. Yet their technology is so far ahead to the other franchises it is not even a fair fight.

[@calvincazares]

Id have to go between the Imperial guard or Imperial stormtroopers

[@DeathLands]

The lazgun has a maximum effective range of only 300 meters (9:30)? When I was in my assigned weapon had a max effective of 1,000 meters even though I could reliably reach out and touch a target at 1,200 meters with a single round... Which I always got yelled at for it by the Sgt running the range. Always be like "Hardy 3-5 round bursts." My squad leader didn't really care because I always qualified expert and came back with excess rounds, and besides my squad leader wanted me to qual with a short barrel because he wanted us skilled on short barrel because we would probably end up room clearing and he didn't want us switching back and forth.

[@felop1187]

Lasgun effective range can heavily depend on the power of the shot and what type it is, as the lasgun can have apparently 11 different firing modes ranging from weak rapid fire low intensity shots to very few strong las shots, I assume that when at max output a lasgun can have a longer effective range, this is not counting the longlas that are actual long range laser snipers

[@revanamell1791]

It's great to be a laser pointer on a range but in combat you just want the rounds to hit as fast as possible and remove a threat.

[@nobleman9393]

Effective range*

[@Gunnar001]

A lasgun's "real" effective range is more than that in-universe. The 300 meters stat given in the RPG is simply for gameplay balance reasons.

[@DeathLands]

@@Gunnar001 now that's is a good reason. Limit the range to control how the armys interact. I was coming from the other direction originally. I saw heard the stats and was like IRL id never take a lazgun over M249/SAW

[@Grungeon]

As I see it, there isn't a single facet of war that any other of these militaries can even compare to the Guard in. To start, the guard by far has the numerical advantage in all capacities, whether it be in infantry or armor. The tanks deployed by the Guard are another big point in their skills, with Baneblades and really any other of their larger tanks being far superior to anything the UNSC or the Storm Troopers could field. The guard have amazing air craft, unbeatable artillery, and not even to mention their auxiliaries (namely Knights) and other components (Ogryns and Tempestus Scions to name a few). And if we were to say bring in the other military branches that some of these factions have like the Imperial Navy and Sith from Starwars, the Spartans and UNSC Navy from Halo, the Star Trek Navy (I don't know the name, srry), and then all of the other Imperium Military Branches (Admech, Astartes, Sisters of Battle), then the battle goes from tilted towards the Militarum to a snow ball's chance in hell that any other faction comes close to beating the Imperium. Sorry if that was hard to read or too critical, but that's how I see it Edit: I also noticed that a lot of the other factions got to be compared with their fleets, in which case the Imperium would stomp the other factions even harder thanks to their obscenely powerful star craft.

[@LegatusLucius2]

These are Maco dude the tightly fitted uniform is armor they can replicate metallic and fiber armors at the molecular level

[@Drownedinblood]

Tbh star trek is really underrated. They have the highest tech advantage and might not even need armor with personal shields. Phasers can basically instant kill hitting anywhere in the torso, and if set to dissintegrate, it doesnt matter what armor you have, its basically a gauss flayer. Also a shuttlecraft geared for combat is probably like a mini defiant and outclasses anything anyone else has. Only thing they lack is numbers because they are part of a larger combined arms force.

[@Giby86]

The highest tech advantage? Over the absurdities of the dark age of technology?

[@Drownedinblood]

@@Giby86 your guard units aren't really deploying that though..

[@Giby86]

@@Drownedinblood And why not? Every tank is fully capable of operating on its own; the lasgun is perfectly precise and never jams (unlike phasers, as pointed out by Gul Dukat) and both sensors and communicators are much less susceptible to interference.

[@Drownedinblood]

@@Giby86 cuz it's not available and there's a cult that is against its use..

[@DavidWalter-gz8ue]

Star wars: Naval Infantry Star Trek: Commandos Warhammer 40k: Standing colonial Mechanised Army Halo: Marine Elite Special Forces Its all a matter of manning and function.

[@pokebreeder2517]

wait in the clone wars there where only 20 sector armies in the clone wars.

[@dallison3670]

Read the old FASA-era books on Star Trek, and you will find the Starfleet Marines, there ships could Teleport over 200 Marines directly into enemy positions. These were Decanonized during the FASA Buyout, which gave Paramount total control. There are other examples of infantry tech, such as the Beam amplifier from the Pilot Episode and Theoretical Tech explored in Games like Atomic Storage. They also, at least as of Next Generation, have field Replicators. Cool Right.

[@fadelsukoco3092]

Yeah, and in STO they have personnel for whom personal shielding is a given, and can have advanced armor and all sorts of weapons and support abilities. Add to that the fact that in certain situations, they can create holographic troops, something that if used right can be extremely overpowered.

[@dallison3670]

@@fadelsukoco3092@fadelsukoco3092 Also, in the 13th Episode of DS9 (Season 7), "Field of Fire," a disgruntled Federation Officer developed a modified TR-116 rifle that Telaport's Bullets right to their target. Similar tactics have been used in Ship-to-Ship Combat, like Scotty in the Simulator. The only thing missing would be the Phaseing device developed by the Romulans in "The Next Phase," (Season 5 Episode 24). If we want to make a highly overblown argument, we could include the time that the Crew of the Voyager wielded Q Weapons to save Captain Janeway during the Q Civil War. The Q play with reality like it is just a thought so these weapons must be powerful as stated by Q himself.

[@voomvoom4522]

@@dallison3670 teleporting bullets into something seems really redundant since you'd be getting rid of the bullets kinetic energy and just putting small pieces of metal into someone. Q weapons are gimmicky because their literal 18th century muskets that cause a supernova every time they're fired and can one shot basically everything, but have the fire rate of an actual musket.

[@noanswer1864]

40k really shouldn't be in the debate unless you're going to compare set numbers of troops. Even then, I'd take the guardsmen any day of the week. A lasgun, affectionately dubbed "flashlight" by the fans, is actually the equivalent of a full auto .308 with a hundredish round magazine on its lowest setting. The snipers and various other specialists will have access to much greater power, albeit with fewer repeat shots. It's a laser that actually sort of works like one, so there's no leading your target. You point it at a target, and a hole appears in it in an un-dodgeable flash. If tou can be taught to load it, arm it, and point it, you can be effective. The only bit of finesse they need is to stop shooting before it damages itself. Thats not saying much though, when its as simple as ceasing fire once it smells, and feels like your weapon is about to melt and/or catch fire. It's like very adult laser tag, except the people holding them are well trained, and have chest protection. Keep in mind, those are the "flashlights." The guard has even more expensive toys, and men trained in their use.

[@pokebreeder2517]

also its 50 systems in 1 sector not 50 planets in a sector. i just looked it up just to be sure

[@c4ns3r53]

I think, Halo Marines are lower tier as the Rebels, idk about the star trek one but I know a lot IG, it depends of what regiment so lets cut the chase and go full deep with the best of them all. I think: 1st position would Imperial Guard of the regiment that works with the Custodians and Sisters of Silence "Lucifer Blacks" wich are literaly above human while still being human. 2nd would be Star Trek soldier I think just becuase of tech, idk much of them but I know they tend to go in the OP direction 3rd would be ODSTs cuz helljumpers are extremely resiliant as competent in surviving the ones that are above him. 4th would be Rebels cuz they are just Rebels, Jedi or Clonetroopers (post shenanigans) dont count cuz they are from another faction that joined the Rebels.

[@wompa70]

Should have swapped out Trek for The Expanse. The Martian Marine Corp would hold their own against Stormtroopers and Halo units.

[@boom-wj1gt]

idc how technologyically advance the opposing infantry is the imperial guard is the true underdog that show the strength of humanity to run in the feild with fucking bayonets no other scifi universe dose that except clone troopers but they are mostly lead by some incompitent jedi if its not a named character

[@hadesdogs4366]

Agreed the sheer scale and might of the imperial guard is just utterly laughable and insane although it does depend entirely on the regiment in question although the most cookie cutter regiment would be the cadians, even that is putting it mildly loose considering that each world has its own cultures and military traditions along with individual regimental traditions and sub cultures can result is a staggering variety of different and diverse skills as well as specializations from the stubborn and persistent mordians where in order to say capture a bunker or to actually kill a tank requires the entire mordian heavy weapons team to be killed or made inoperable to the point where even though the mordians were being literally overran and being ripped to stress by a swarm of tyranids they remained at their posts until they could no longer depress the trigger or replace the ammunition belt because their hand was clamped shut down on the trigger despite its original owner long since passed on, to the stock and depressing death korps of krieg who would make the battle of mimbam turn into a picnic Holliday for them as they unleash gas bombs and massive artillery strikes onto their enemies position whilst using an E-tool whilst making happy gasmask noises. And so on, the only two real form of standard guard units would be the solar axilai from the great crusade which would make this more of a crying contest rather than an actual fair fight when it would be akin to a body builder beating a child they are that powerful and well equipped where they were the only ones during the Horus heresy to be able to actually go toe to toe against a space marine and still have a chance of coming out on top, and the second o e is the tempestus scions 😊

[@darkhorse13golfgaming]

Starfleet = Most technologically advanced Astra Militarum = Toughest and highest in quantity UNSC = Most professional and tactically sound. Imperial Army = Elements of all of the previous three (jack of all trades, masters of none).

[@buildomatic]

If we were to make like a balanced fight we have to say like 100 000 from each, otherwise the guard would win every time

[@Peter_Turbo4]

“ALL GUARDSMEN, *FOLLOW ME TO GLORY!”*

[@haloboy456]

Nah okay Y'all did Star Trek dirty especially the weapons. Y'all know phasers are op